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Speaker 1: Time for politics Wednesday, which means it's Ginny Anderson and

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Speaker 1: Mark Mitchell. Good morning to you both. Good morning, good

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Speaker 1: morning White, good boye Jenny, And a little delay on

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Speaker 1: the line for you Mark, because you're a long way

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Speaker 1: away in Dubai is to buy what what's the temperature

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Speaker 1: in Dubai at this time of year?

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Speaker 2: It would be hot, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it's hot. It's it's midsummer. So it was

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Speaker 3: about forty four degrees yesterday.

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Speaker 2: And what do you do? You go outside it all?

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Speaker 3: You go from e conditioning to eco. What do you do?

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Speaker 4: You're going to go to that? Are you going to

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Speaker 4: go that cool water park? What's it called wild Wady?

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Speaker 4: Where you going to?

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Speaker 3: World Body? You know?

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry either So there's a tell us all, Jenny,

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Speaker 1: you've been to the water park?

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Speaker 4: No, I've just seen the pictures and it looks amazing.

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Speaker 4: I've always wanted to go.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, so you're looking out pictures of water parks, Mark,

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Speaker 1: have you been to the water park?

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Speaker 3: I took the kids to the wild Woddy water Park

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Speaker 3: the day that we arrived from New Zealand, so yes.

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Speaker 2: So what's it called wild Body?

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Speaker 3: It's called wild Woddy. Yes, it's it's amazing water park.

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Speaker 3: It's awesome because absolutely loved it.

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Speaker 1: And did you have like shorts or nutcrackers?

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Speaker 2: What were you wearing?

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Speaker 3: Marks? Maybe becking my cif life saving days thirty years ago?

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Speaker 3: By no, I had what he's off?

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Speaker 2: Do you think, Ginny?

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Speaker 1: And this is not a political question, but I asked

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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister about this yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Is Parliament not on enough?

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Speaker 3: We thought that?

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Speaker 4: When so they you know for a lot that he

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Speaker 4: does though we're not there as as it used to be.

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Speaker 1: So what so, Mark, do you understand how it works?

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Speaker 1: Because in asking lux and he didn't clearly know what

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Speaker 1: was going on. So you get three weeks off of

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Speaker 1: the school holidays, they come back for two weeks, which

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Speaker 1: you was your previous two weeks, and you're off for

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Speaker 1: another week. I thought you had stuff to do in

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Speaker 1: legislation departs.

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Speaker 3: No, what are you saying? I heard some interview with

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Speaker 3: you the other day. What are you saying is that

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Speaker 3: there's so many weeks a year that parliament has to

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Speaker 3: sais and so and we do that. Obviously we've got

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Speaker 3: a big He bought parliament there early this year. He'll

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Speaker 3: do it a year next year because he thinks that

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Speaker 3: Parliament over the summer break goes away for too long,

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Speaker 3: and I agree with him on that, but yes, we

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Speaker 3: have got a big legislative program that we have to

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Speaker 3: get through. The other thing that I'd say like is

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Speaker 3: that just because Parliament isn't sitting, you actually should be working,

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Speaker 3: and you do work. Some people will take the time

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Speaker 3: like I've done, to go and see family. I missed

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Speaker 3: out and seeing my family at the last recess because

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Speaker 3: we had the you know, we had that weather bomb

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Speaker 3: come through that Hitney East Coast again with Hawk's Bay

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Speaker 3: Warrior and Gisbone and as Emergency Management Minister, it was

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Speaker 3: imported us on the ground making sure that we had

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Speaker 3: a proper response in place. But you know, we have

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Speaker 3: to take some time to see the family too, and

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Speaker 3: that's what I'm doing this week.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Jenny. Time have used congestion charging.

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Speaker 1: If they get it up and running, and that's a

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Speaker 1: bit of legislation, they've got a pass if they get

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Speaker 1: it up and running before the next election and you

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Speaker 1: win the next election. Is that the sort of thing

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Speaker 1: you'd keep in place or reverse.

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Speaker 4: And we were support it's not great those long term

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Speaker 4: issue of congestion in Auckland, so they need to do

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Speaker 4: announce as well as that. So if some of you

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Speaker 4: think that congesting alone is going to fact Auckland's traffic problem,

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Speaker 4: seeing peas dreaming.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me get you on a better line, because

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Speaker 1: this is hopeless. We'll do We'll come back to you

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Speaker 1: in a moment. Mark, as far as you're concerned. And

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Speaker 1: I assume you're up with us the Police Association and

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Speaker 1: letter open letter of the Prime Minister about Nicole McKey.

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Speaker 1: They want you to be the gun Minister, not her.

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Speaker 1: I assume you don't want the job, and I assume

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Speaker 1: you'll argue that Nicole mckey's doing a decent job.

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Speaker 3: Will Nichole's got her role and I've got my role

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Speaker 3: on the Minister of Police. So it's board that I

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Speaker 3: advocate that I've moved forward from a public safety point

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Speaker 3: of view from a policing perspective. And she's obviously the

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Speaker 3: Associate Minister of Justice and her job is to rewrite

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Speaker 3: the Arms Act, which she's doing. That was a colision

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Speaker 3: agreement she's with myself, Nicole and Chris Carsle, the Police

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Speaker 3: Association are all joined by one thing and that is

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Speaker 3: public safety and we all need to work together to

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Speaker 3: make sure that we achieve it right.

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Speaker 2: Is she doing a good job in your view or not?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, she's doing a good job. I've got a

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Speaker 3: very good working relationship with Nicole, which I'll make sure

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Speaker 3: that we maintain, and our focus should always be on

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Speaker 3: public safety and we both agree on that.

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Speaker 1: Do you share any view that the Police Association shares

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Speaker 1: as regards her being in charge of guns and guns

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Speaker 1: in reform?

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Speaker 3: Look, the Police Association will take their position on things. Again,

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Speaker 3: I've got a great working relationship with Chris Carphle and

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Speaker 3: the Association. I'll continue to make sure that I foster that.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, at the end of the day, we

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Speaker 3: might all have different views on some points, but we're

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Speaker 3: all united by one thing and that is public safety,

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Speaker 3: and we'll work our way through those things.

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Speaker 2: Do you share Ginny welcome back.

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Speaker 1: Do you share the concerns that the Police Association have

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Speaker 1: with Nicole McKee as being in charge of gun reform?

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Speaker 4: Most definitely. She's a gun lobbyist and now she's rewriting

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Speaker 4: Your Arms Act. The Police Association and the Police have

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Speaker 4: raised significant concerns that she should not be the responsible

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Speaker 4: person for making these changes for all New Zealanders. And

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Speaker 4: I think deep down Mark knows that as well. He

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Speaker 4: thinks the Gun Registry is a good thing and act

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Speaker 4: to want to get rid of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do pick up and you missed it, Jinny

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Speaker 1: because you're off the line, but I do pick up

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Speaker 1: some hesitancy Mark. You you think that the Association might

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Speaker 1: have a point or two here.

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Speaker 3: No, No, I just think that in terms of I

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Speaker 3: agree with Ginny is that I think the Gun Redistry

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Speaker 3: does have an important role to play. As the Police Minister,

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Speaker 3: it's important that I advocate for that. As part of

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Speaker 3: that we said that we review it to make sure

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Speaker 3: that it's working properly and it's doing the right thing.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's fear. But of course my position

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Speaker 3: as Police Minster is that it does have an important

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Speaker 3: that is public safety in our country will always trump

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Speaker 3: and come.

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Speaker 1: Ginny is one of the more moderate and sensible members

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Speaker 1: of the Labour Party caucus. As you've looked at this

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Speaker 1: power crisis that we have in the country at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's a twinge or tinge of regret

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Speaker 1: anywhere within labor that they might just have pulled the

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Speaker 1: pin on gas exploration a wee bit soon.

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Speaker 4: I don't think so. We've been the same situation we

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Speaker 4: are irrespective of that happening, we know that we need Well,

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Speaker 4: it had like a thirty year time for it to cacin, Like,

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Speaker 4: it wouldn't have had an effect right.

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Speaker 1: Now, chilling effect, A chilling effect.

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Speaker 4: Not really, not really. All the indicators showed that that

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Speaker 4: would have taken a few while to kick in, so

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Speaker 4: right now it wouldn't have made a lack of difference.

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Speaker 1: So all the people who handed back their licenses and

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Speaker 1: said no thanks, the user will lose it thing, they

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Speaker 1: all handed back their licenses. So you're telling me it

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Speaker 1: didn't have any chilling effect whatsoever. So they still would

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Speaker 1: have gone drilling and looking for oil and gas, but

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Speaker 1: they just wouldn't have found any.

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Speaker 4: Well, no, that the CACAN period I think was thirty

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Speaker 4: years for that to happen. So those licenses were still

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Speaker 4: active and they were still using them for that period

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Speaker 4: until they ran out. They weren't just stop making a

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Speaker 4: whole bunch of money at a drilling up oil, drilling

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Speaker 4: up gas expiration until the end of the license expired.

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Speaker 4: And so while those lincense are so active, they're still

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Speaker 4: getting it. So its no difference.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: So accepting that what you say is true, which I

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Speaker 1: don't think we do, but let's say it is.

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Speaker 4: Very much.

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Speaker 1: Does the Does the idea that we're importing more coal

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Speaker 1: now than we ever have make sense?

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Speaker 3: No? It does it.

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Speaker 4: We need to find alternative energy sources in this covert

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Speaker 4: still doesn't want we need. We need. We need to

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Speaker 4: look at more hydro for example. That and the way

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Speaker 4: we have a dry, cold winter, we're stuffed.

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Speaker 1: You can't build a hydro dam in this country because

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Speaker 1: of the rm A, they won't.

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Speaker 2: Let you do it.

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Speaker 4: Well, we need to look into that to make sure

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Speaker 4: we have good sources of natural energy here in New Zealand,

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Speaker 4: and we need to invest in infrastructure to utilize that

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Speaker 4: so that we're not kept in hand.

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Speaker 1: Every would you accept or argue that this renewable thing

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Speaker 1: isn't working as we sity you're right here right now.

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Speaker 4: I would say we haven't invested enough in infrastructure to

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Speaker 4: make it work for us.

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Speaker 2: And that's the problem, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Mate? Listen, these guys were a complete wrecking war for

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Speaker 3: us when it came to come to energy policy. And

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Speaker 3: by the way, we're already lead. We're one of the

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Speaker 3: leading countries in the world in terms of renewed newble energy.

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Speaker 3: We do extremely well there. But yes, the previous government

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Speaker 3: started burning dirty Indonesian coal because of the power because

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Speaker 3: of their energy policy settings. And now we're having to

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Speaker 3: do we're doing the same thing. We're having to be

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Speaker 3: worn because we've got a shortage. I mean, it's a

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Speaker 3: travesty that we're even put it, that they put us

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Speaker 3: in this position. We just can't work our way through it.

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Speaker 2: Just back up a minute mark. So Jenny's right.

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Speaker 1: So say we could still look for gas and there

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Speaker 1: isn't any gas. There isn't We're running out of gas.

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Speaker 1: We don't have gas. Gases no longer an alternative. What

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Speaker 1: is going to fill the gap?

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Speaker 2: The wind? We've got those work.

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Speaker 1: Because the wind isn't blowing at the moment. You can't

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Speaker 1: build the damn you know that. So what are we

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Speaker 1: going to do?

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Speaker 3: Well, we are going to definitely build war of wind farms.

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt about that. Now a fast trick, well

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Speaker 3: you just talk about renewables and windows is a renewal.

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Speaker 3: But the reality of it is this, Mike, because there

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Speaker 3: is enough guess here for us to be able to

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Speaker 3: use guests. It's far cleaner dir the intermision, Kle.

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Speaker 4: What's the No one knows what's there. They're out drilling

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Speaker 4: looking for it, so they don't know. They've got to

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Speaker 4: drinking fracking or whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: And well, we know this natural guess, we know this

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Speaker 3: natural guests. It, like Mike just pointed out, you guys

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Speaker 3: signaled to the industry that they didn't have your support,

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Speaker 3: that you're ideologically driven. And now as a country, we're

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Speaker 2: It does it strike you as ironic?

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Speaker 1: That you're sitting in the oil capital of the world,

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Speaker 3: Actually, well, I think you know, I haven't filled the

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Speaker 4: Come on, what's the what's your plane?

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Speaker 3: Well, the first thing is to start actually giving the

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Speaker 3: they can actually go and get some natural guests for

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Speaker 3: us to continue to use while we while we continue

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Speaker 3: as the country remain committed to renewabooks. I just gave

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Speaker 3: course is right now though, Ginny, we are absolutely in

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Speaker 3: we shouldn't be in that position. We're in that position

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Speaker 3: because we had an awful labor government that had it

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Speaker 3: was driven by ideological ideas that has been a complete

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Speaker 1: Right got a motive listen, I appreciate it. You have

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Speaker 1: a good stay in the middle Easter Mark and we'll

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Speaker 1: catch up with you next week, presumably Back in New Zealand,

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Speaker 1: Ginny Anderson dropped off the who put something wrong with

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