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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Welcome to the show coming up today, shoplifters. We'll

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Speaker 3: get on the spot finds and new changes announced by

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Speaker 3: chair of the Retail Crime Ministerial Advisory Group. Got an

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Speaker 3: expert to explain if that new spider will kill you

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Speaker 3: for a quarter of the price here and actually recommends

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Speaker 3: you back five hundred bucks a month. Now, that of

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Speaker 3: course is unaffordable for most people. So it's prompted a

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Speaker 4: Hey Joey, Hey, hell, how are you going? Thanks so

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Speaker 2: to come. The Weather Bureau forecasting even stronger winds and

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Speaker 2: heavier rain tonight and into tomorrow. You've had flights canceled

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Speaker 2: at the airport. Incoming and outgoing public transport is a

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Speaker 2: bit of a mess.

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Speaker 5: Sydney Harbor ferries canceled. This is a rain bomb.

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Speaker 2: You just have to hunker down and do your best,

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Speaker 2: I suppose, but you know, flash flooding is a real

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Speaker 2: is a real possibility. And those poor buggers up north,

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Speaker 2: Heather who were in the firing line with that big,

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Speaker 2: big storm.

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Speaker 5: The big flooding of only a few weeks ago, they're

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Speaker 5: copying it again. Yeah, so it really is for them.

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Speaker 5: It's just it's deja vu. Mas.

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Speaker 3: Now, what about this junk food this junk food ad band,

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Speaker 3: what do you make of that?

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Speaker 2: Well, well, it's for the first for the first time

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Speaker 2: in Australia. It's in force now in South Australia. It's

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Speaker 2: the first jurisdiction right across the state. Every bus, every

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Speaker 2: you know bus shelter that you wait for, the bus

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Speaker 2: stop at railway or public transport and so on. Foods

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Speaker 2: that are high and sold and fat are banned from

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Speaker 2: these places. And of course they've occupied Philly prominent places

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Speaker 2: for these ads. This has been taken from a band

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Speaker 2: we understand that was introduced some time ago in London

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Speaker 2: and apparently that did lead to a sharp reduction in

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Speaker 2: the consumption of junk food. Can help parents make better

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Speaker 2: choices too. If these ads aren't there, the kids can't

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Speaker 2: be triggered. There was something that I heard this morning.

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Speaker 5: What's it called. It's called now I can't read my

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Speaker 5: bloody notes.

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Speaker 2: There's some new marketing phrase that some gurus come up

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Speaker 2: with that basically says.

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Speaker 5: Moms and dads are captive. The kids are in the

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Speaker 5: back of the car.

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Speaker 2: They go past the bus stop, Mom and dad do

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Speaker 2: the instant left hand turn and.

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Speaker 5: Going get the dirty bird of the mackers.

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Speaker 2: So there's a whole lot of pressure on parents and

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Speaker 2: anything that can help because the government here both sides

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Speaker 2: the soft drink lobby. Here, there's this frantic rejection of

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Speaker 2: any attempt to impose attacks on sugary, on sugary foods

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Speaker 2: and drinks, they say, oh no, no, no, it's freedom

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Speaker 2: of a choice. No, it's not make them more expensive,

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Speaker 2: fewer people will eat them and drink them.

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Speaker 3: Maz what's the phrase?

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Speaker 5: I can't find it?

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna hang up on you,

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Speaker 3: but you you ever look, because now I'm fascinated. Find

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Speaker 3: it and then let us know, and then I'll make

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Speaker 3: sure I let everybody know better. Be good as well.

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Speaker 3: By the way, it's Murray Old's Australia correspondent. By the way,

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Speaker 3: the jury is still out in the air in Patterson trial,

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Speaker 3: so we're into more than what like twenty fourish hours.

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Speaker 3: So the hotel must be quite nice or somebody thinks

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Speaker 3: she's not guilty. Hold out, Okay, the government day two,

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Speaker 3: day three, now, isn't it day three of law and

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Speaker 3: order announcements? Or on quite a bit of a roll

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Speaker 3: dealing with the shoplifters today. So what they're introducing is

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Speaker 3: some on the spot finds. So if someone's caught shoplifting

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Speaker 3: up to five hundred dollars worth of goods, they could

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Speaker 3: be stung with an on the spot fine of five

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Speaker 3: hundred dollars. If the goods are over five hundred dollars,

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Speaker 3: they get stung with the final one thousand dollars. If

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Speaker 3: the goods are less than two thousand dollars, the maximum

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Speaker 3: time in jail possible is one year, and if it's

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Speaker 3: more than two thousand dollars, the maximum time in jail

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Speaker 3: is seven years. Now, I've got a lot of quier,

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Speaker 3: lot of questions about this, because hold on a tack,

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Speaker 3: who's handing out that fine who's handing Is it the cop?

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Speaker 3: Because how is that gonna work?

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Speaker 10: Then?

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Speaker 3: Because do cops even got Like, let's start at the

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Speaker 3: very beginning, which is a very good place to start

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Speaker 3: if your wait. Is a cop gonna turn up for

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Speaker 3: a shoplifting offense? Right? I mean we heard that, we

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Speaker 3: saw the memo the other day. They don't come for

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Speaker 3: five hundred dollars. Now they say they come for five

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Speaker 3: hundred dollars.

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Speaker 5: It's low.

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Speaker 3: It's the low last thing that they're gonna bother with.

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Speaker 3: So first of all, you got your shoplifter there, you

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Speaker 3: have to try and get the cop there. You have

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Speaker 3: to keep the shoplifter there while the cop comes. Then

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Speaker 3: the CoP's gonna hand out a fine. But hold on,

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Speaker 3: have we established guilt yet because we haven't been to court,

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Speaker 3: So the person can just go I'm not guilty. Then

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Speaker 3: you can't hand out the fine, can you? So many

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Speaker 3: questions that we're going to talk to Sunny Koschel after

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Speaker 3: five o'clock quarter two.

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Speaker 1: The Politics with Centrics credit check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payment certainty.

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Speaker 3: Thomas Coglin, The Herald's political leaders with US high Thomas,

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Speaker 3: A good afternoon. See Grunt Spencer's back.

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Speaker 11: Yes, Grant Spencer is back. So the former acting Reserve

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Speaker 11: Bank Governor, who was obviously out of the picture under

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Speaker 11: the Adrian or regime, has now returned. So he has

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Speaker 11: been appointed to the Reserve Bank Reserve Bank Board by

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Speaker 11: Finance Minister Nicola Willis for a five year term. Will

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Speaker 11: be very interesting to see what he does there. He

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Speaker 11: actually spoke to me on my podcast a little while

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Speaker 11: ago fairly critical of the Bank's COVID era stimulus, that

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Speaker 11: money printing and the low interest rates that clearly caused

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Speaker 11: the massive housing bubble in twenty twenty one. So he

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Speaker 11: told us back in twenty twenty two that that clearly

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Speaker 11: the bank got that wrong and I think has probably

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Speaker 11: been born out as having the correct view on that.

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Speaker 3: Interesting. What tice to have somebody on the board who

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Speaker 3: actually like this is his bread and butter, right, this

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Speaker 3: is the thing that he's an expert in.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, it is.

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Speaker 11: You know, I think it's been maybe the better part

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Speaker 11: of a decade now that you've you've had a lot

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Speaker 11: of criticism from the likes of I think Eric Crampton

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Speaker 11: at the New Zealand Initiative was one of the big

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Speaker 11: critics of just the lack of expertise at the Bank

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Speaker 11: itself and Treasury too across the road at Treasury as well,

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Speaker 11: just a declining influence of economists and a bit of

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Speaker 11: a mission mission drift. So I think here Nicola willis,

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Speaker 11: if you if you read the tea leaves and ask yourself,

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Speaker 11: what's Nicola willis? What's the messages she's sending. She's probably

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Speaker 11: sending a message of you know, back to basics too please.

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Speaker 3: Now, speaking of what did she say this morning?

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Speaker 11: Speaking of Yeah, she went on on Nick Mills on

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Speaker 11: the Wellington's Wellington Mornings with the Nickmails this morning and

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Speaker 11: was asked, you know, as as as as a lot

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Speaker 11: of politicians are asked down here, what does she think

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Speaker 11: of the vibes of Wellington. It was pretty frank that

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Speaker 11: that the city's you know, feeling a bit glum. But

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Speaker 11: she pointed the finger at the council and was pretty

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Speaker 11: critical of the rates that Wellingtonians and Wellington businesses paid.

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Speaker 11: And we've actually, if you'll pardon a bit of cross

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Speaker 11: promotion here on the Herolds, we did we did a

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Speaker 11: bit of digging onto those rates and they are really

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Speaker 11: high in Wellington. Wellington's average commercial rates bill was forty

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Speaker 11: seven thousand dollars. Comparing that compares to twenty thousand dollars

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Speaker 11: in Auckland in eighteen thousand. In christ Change, it's nearly

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Speaker 11: doubled in about sixty years. So Wellington businesses, Wellington commercial

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Speaker 11: landlords are really feeling it down here and it does

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Speaker 11: sort of speak to some of the malaise that you

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Speaker 11: see on the streets. So that was interesting that she

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Speaker 11: chose to raise that issue because obviously she cops a

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Speaker 11: bit of flack for the public service cuts, which obviously

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Speaker 11: won't be helping, but the council probably has a bit

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Speaker 11: of a bit of blame that it has to wear

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Speaker 11: as well.

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Speaker 3: A bit of blame Thomas, a quite a lot of blame. Well,

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Speaker 3: thank you Thomas. Now what do you make of the

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Speaker 3: idea of partially privatizing the Enter Islander Service?

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Speaker 11: I look, don't I don't hate that idea. You'd have

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Speaker 11: to say the Blue Bridge, the Blue Bridge fear which

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Speaker 11: have been running for a long time in Wellington I

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Speaker 11: have been running pretty well. And key Rail who have

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Speaker 11: been running the Enter Island service have have you know,

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Speaker 11: I think customer issue just say yes, Well you can

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Speaker 11: probably say that I thank you that they they have

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Speaker 11: displeased customers and that even displeased their owners. I don't

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Speaker 11: think the government likes them like.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Winnie p who loves a bit of you know,

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Speaker 3: national ownership of an assets, is not going to partially privatize.

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Speaker 11: As he no, that is it is Winston Peters is

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Speaker 11: very long held views on privatization or partial privatization, so

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Speaker 11: he is not going to move in that direction. Ax

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Speaker 11: is very keen to move in that direction introduce a

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Speaker 11: bit of private capital and the National Party, I'd say

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Speaker 11: the National Party are more keen on it than not,

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Speaker 11: and Nicola Willis has sort of made some supportive sounds,

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Speaker 11: but it hasn't really committed to anything now because.

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Speaker 3: They're planning to run on it for the next or

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they're going to run on it,

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Speaker 3: but they certainly planning to execute it in the second term.

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Speaker 12: Right.

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Speaker 11: It's the the mood music is being played very loudly

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Speaker 11: for a discussion about asset sales from the National Party

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Speaker 11: at the next election. I'd look at places like Land

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Speaker 11: Corp and qv things like that, and maybe the Entland

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Speaker 11: Is when they eventually arrive in twenty twenty nine, perhaps

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Speaker 11: perhaps is better than when.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I like that, Thank you very much, Thomas appreciated.

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Speaker 3: Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor. Hi, the why are

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Speaker 3: people stealing? Because they don't have any money? How are

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Speaker 3: they going to pay for a fine? But you make

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Speaker 3: a very good point. It's not the only reason that

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Speaker 3: people steal. People also steal to order, and people also

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Speaker 3: still just be naughty if the Louis one is looking

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Speaker 3: for a bit of fun. But it's a fair point

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Speaker 3: you make because look at how hard it is to

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Speaker 3: get reparations out of people, right, like one dollar fifty

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Speaker 3: a week or something like that. So goodluck getting that

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Speaker 3: five hundred dollar fine out of them, eight away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast, it.

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Speaker 13: Looks like the doors open to some sort of part

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Speaker 13: privatization of the new ferries across the Strait. The wut

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Speaker 13: Prime Minister to David Seymore, he likes that things with us.

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Speaker 13: Do we care who owns them?

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Speaker 12: Well, I certainly do. The Coast week and own two

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Speaker 12: billion dollar ferry business. That's the government's paying five percent interest.

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Speaker 12: That's one hundred million every year. Now it'd better be

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Speaker 12: making at least one hundred million to pay that back.

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Speaker 12: But sadly, most government businesses are making a huge loss

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Speaker 12: across the board, and I think it's time for some

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Speaker 12: honest conversations. Given government's trek record of being hopeless at

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Speaker 12: maintaining hospitals, hopeless with the state housing portfolio, do we

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Speaker 12: want to keep spending on interest payments for assets that

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Speaker 12: aren't performing?

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Speaker 13: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking breakfast with

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Speaker 13: the defender Octor newstalg Zby.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Goalers was not hungry, very good, but Golders,

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Speaker 3: by the way, Goldras had expensive taste though, so she

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Speaker 3: wouldn't have got the on the spot fine, would she,

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Speaker 3: because I think, I mean, look, maybe for the single

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Speaker 3: item she might have got an on the spot fine,

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Speaker 3: but I suspect that it all added up to sort

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Speaker 3: of the seven years in jail type fine anyway, fine.

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Speaker 3: In the slammer, the phrase that Muz was looking for

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Speaker 3: was in his notebook, which is at work, So we

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Speaker 3: will have to wait till Thursday to find out what

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Speaker 3: that phrase was. But fortunately somebody, somebody is smart and

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Speaker 3: probably works in marketing or something like that, said Heather.

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Speaker 3: The phrase that Mars is probably looking for is pester power.

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Speaker 3: And then Mars did remember it, because you know how

653
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Speaker 3: sometimes if you're of an age like it, just it

654
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Speaker 3: takes you just a few clicks for that little cog

655
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Speaker 3: to go and you go, oh, that's right. So he

656
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 3: did come back and he said, look, it's mess. It

657
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Speaker 3: is pester power, which is applied to the forces exerted

658
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Speaker 3: on parents to give into what the little beasts want.

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Speaker 3: So the little beast sees the ad for the I mean, listen,

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Speaker 3: can I just put Can I just say this though,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to say that, you know I'm gonna say.

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Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just warming you up. I'm not asking

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Speaker 3: your permission to say this. I'm going to say this. Okay,

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Speaker 3: do we need to ban ads because parents don't know

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Speaker 3: how to say no? I mean, surely if little mate

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Speaker 3: goes to your mammy an want some of the dirty bed,

667
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Speaker 3: I want to have some KFC, you go nap, just nap.

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Speaker 3: That's it, isn't it isn't it? And then nah, and

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Speaker 3: you're not. And if you keep on crying, turn around

670
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Speaker 3: to do that thing with your car's kind of wabbling

671
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 3: because you've got your finger backwards. I mean you while

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Speaker 3: you're driving down the motorway. You carry on like that,

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Speaker 3: and I'll tell you what you're not gonna get. You're

674
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Speaker 3: not going to get any chocolate tonight before you go

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Speaker 3: to bed. So, shosh, do you not do that? Because

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Speaker 3: I find that that works wonderfully. I don't have to

677
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Speaker 3: have any of those bandings. Actually, and he's now three

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Speaker 3: and a half, so we've just got to that point

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Speaker 3: now where he understands consequences quite well. So I started

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Speaker 3: whipping out there. If you carry on doing that, I

681
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Speaker 3: am going to take your favorite Lego car away for

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Speaker 3: the rest of the day. And I just get this

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Speaker 3: look of horror that crosses his face. I'm not going

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Speaker 3: to name names, but there is a parent out Jeez,

685
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Speaker 3: I've got distracted, and there's a parent out there who

686
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Speaker 3: takes the toys out to the driveway. I work with.

687
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Speaker 3: This person takes the toys out to the driveway and

688
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Speaker 3: smashes them with a hammer in front of the child

689
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Speaker 3: of the behavior is bad enough. I don't think I

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Speaker 3: like that because I feel like that's a disrespect of property.

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Speaker 3: But you know that would stop the winging about the

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Speaker 3: dirty bird, wouldn't it? As well? If you absolutely had

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Speaker 3: to anyway. Listen, there's a spider noble false widow spider

694
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Speaker 3: found imported, not one of ours, imported migrant spider found

695
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Speaker 3: imported to her late last year. Since then christ Church

696
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Speaker 3: Newson Northland wycut or we're gonna find out shortly if

697
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Speaker 3: win it bites you, it will kill you. And also

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Speaker 3: we're going to find out about these fines from Sunnay

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Speaker 3: Coachel in just a minute. News Talks EB.

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Speaker 1: So you to get the then let's lead, we can dance.

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Speaker 5: We can dance on.

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Speaker 1: Thatine, digging through the spin to find the real story.

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Speaker 5: Gooring.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Dupasy on drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected. News Talks V Afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Shoplifters will soon be getting on the spot finds the

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Speaker 3: government's proposal as as follows. Shoplifting of up to five

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Speaker 3: hundred dollars, the fine is five hundred dollars. Shoplifting of

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Speaker 3: up of over five hundred dollars the fine is one

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars. And then there are also changes to the

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Speaker 3: maximum jail time for higher value shoplifting. Sunny Kochel is

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Speaker 3: the chair of the Retail Crime Ministerial Advisory group. Sonny's

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Speaker 3: with us right now? Hey, Sonny, really good after Heather?

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Speaker 3: Is this what retailers want?

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Speaker 14: Oh?

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Speaker 15: Well, this has been over you from long time. You know,

717
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Speaker 15: the retail crime is costing a New Zealand two point

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Speaker 15: eight billion dollars per anum, which is over fifty million

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Speaker 15: dollars per week or over seven million dollars per day.

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Speaker 15: And in terms of shoplifting, there were eighty five thousand

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Speaker 15: reports or made to police last year. That's over two

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Speaker 15: hundred reports a day. So in terms of shoplifting, it

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Speaker 15: now costs retailers one point four billion dollars every year,

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Speaker 15: which is twenty seven million dollars per week or three

725
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Speaker 15: point eight million per day. And this is a cost.

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Speaker 15: It's not just paid by the retailers, but it's paid

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Speaker 15: by every consumer and every New Zealander.

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Speaker 3: Sonny, though, how can the police find somebody on the

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Speaker 3: spot if guilt hasn't actually been determined through a court process?

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Speaker 15: Well so is of course the police can do, you know,

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Speaker 15: on the spot and otherwise the it can be reported.

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Speaker 15: You know, currently what is happening half of all police

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Speaker 15: proceedings shoplifting is going no further than a police warning

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Speaker 15: and nobody wants to see a first time offender or

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Speaker 15: somebody for whom shoplifting is out of character, so being

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Speaker 15: prosecuted through the courts, and that's disproportionate and not in

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Speaker 15: the publican trust or financial responsible. But that doesn't mean

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Speaker 15: a warning will always be suption. So an infrontment notice

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Speaker 15: adds to police's toolbox to choose the most appropriate response

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Speaker 15: to offending in the circumstances.

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Speaker 3: And do you think these people will actually pay it?

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Speaker 15: Well, that's the deterrent that we need to create and

743
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Speaker 15: we want to be are basically making it easier for

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Speaker 15: police to prosecute shoplifter. As said, the shoplifting has more

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Speaker 15: than double since twenteen nineteen, and it's it's hugely costing us.

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Speaker 15: You know, the biggest loophole in our proposals we are

747
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Speaker 15: closing is removing the value threshold for the lowest level

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Speaker 15: of shoplifting. You know, currently currently the shoplifting is only

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Speaker 15: punishable by a maximum sentence of three months improvement when

750
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Speaker 15: the value of goods stolen unless than five hundred. So

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Speaker 15: this is the lowest penalty in the Crime Act and

752
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Speaker 15: it's not a substent return end and the law penalty

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Speaker 15: also sends a wrong signal to police, to the courts,

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Speaker 15: to offenders and the victims that sharplifting is not a

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Speaker 15: serious offense.

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Speaker 14: It is.

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Speaker 15: It is costing us hugely and ultimately the surprise we

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Speaker 15: all pay at the tell.

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Speaker 3: Sonny, it's good to talk to you. Best of luck

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Speaker 3: with us. The Sunny Coocial Chair of the Retail Crime

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Speaker 3: Ministerial Advisory Group, Heather do for see Ellen wait Loss

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Speaker 3: drug Wigovi is available in New Zealand from today, but

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Speaker 3: it isn't cheap. It's not funded by Farmac, so anyone

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Speaker 3: who wants to actually use it has to shell out

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Speaker 3: five hundred bucks a month and this prompted a debate

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Speaker 3: about whether we should be funding at Professor Boyd Swinburn

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Speaker 3: is from Auckland University School of Population of Health and

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Speaker 3: with us Hi Boyd, Hi, Heather, do you think we

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Speaker 3: should publicly fund it?

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Speaker 10: I think in the end it'll get on the public

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Speaker 10: public funding, but it won't be at five hundred bucks

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Speaker 10: a month. When when these early drugs, the first generation

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Speaker 10: of these drugs come off patent, their price will drop

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Speaker 10: enormously and that'll give Farmac a chance to really negotiate

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Speaker 10: down the price, and that will make the cost effectiveness

776
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Speaker 10: equation very strong. I think. So we'll see it, we'll

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Speaker 10: see it come come about, but not until then.

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Speaker 3: How much cheaper do you reckon?

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Speaker 10: Well, you just look at what we used to pay

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Speaker 10: for like cholesterol lowering drugs and so on. When they

781
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Speaker 10: first came out, it was huge, and Farmac took a

782
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Speaker 10: long time to come around to funding those for the

783
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Speaker 10: whole population because of the cost. But in the end

784
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Speaker 10: they dropped off patent and now they're really cheap. But

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Speaker 10: I can't tell you the exact prices or what were

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Speaker 10: this is going to end up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think that we prescribe it for everybody over,

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Speaker 3: will make it available to people with a BMI over

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Speaker 3: thirty or do.

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Speaker 5: You go.

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Speaker 10: No, Well that's recommendation at the moment, a bm I

792
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Speaker 10: over thirty or a BMI over twenty seven with come.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot of people. I mean, according to one

794
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Speaker 3: health reporters about one point five million adult New Zealanders.

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Speaker 10: I know it's a huge amount. And it's similar with

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Speaker 10: high blood pressure. You know, we've got a lot of

797
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Speaker 10: New Zealanders with high blood pressure and we treat them, yeah,

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Speaker 10: with tablets as well on a regular basis, and then.

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Speaker 4: What do you reckon?

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Speaker 10: Boy?

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Speaker 3: Do you leave people? Because I mean the initial studies

802
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Speaker 3: are showing that you go on, we'll go v and

803
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: you lose the weight, you come off, and you put

804
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Speaker 3: the weight back on within a year. So do you

805
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Speaker 3: leave people on it permanently?

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Speaker 14: Then?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Well, this is the thing about drugs that don't

808
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Speaker 10: work if you don't take them. And again, the analogy

809
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Speaker 10: will make cholesterol. That people have high blood pressure and

810
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Speaker 10: high cholesterol because of a mix of their you know,

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Speaker 10: their genes and their lifestyle and their habits and all

812
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Speaker 10: that sort of thing. And we've got no problem funding

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Speaker 10: those or accepting that those people need to be on

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Speaker 10: them for you know, for a long time, probably their

815
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Speaker 10: life if they want to prevent the diseases that they

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00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 10: prescribed for it. So we do have to get our

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Speaker 10: mindset around that a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So it comes off patent in January. So how

819
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Speaker 3: long before we actually are able to get the cheap start.

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Speaker 10: Off They come off Peyton this January?

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Speaker 3: Well I thought it did. Somebody told me that, Oh, okay,

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Speaker 3: don't quote me.

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Speaker 10: I think they haven't put an application and yet to

824
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Speaker 10: Farmac and Farmac's wheels turned pretty slowly, but the drug

825
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Speaker 10: company has obviously got a huge amount of money behind

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Speaker 10: it and they've got all the data, so they'll turn

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Speaker 10: the wheels as quickly as they can. I'm sure they

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Speaker 10: had a problem with supply at one stage, but I

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Speaker 10: think they've overcome that now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant. Okay, Boyd, thank you so much. Appreciate it's

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Speaker 3: Professor Boyd Swinburn Auckland University School of Population Health.

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Speaker 1: Do for ce Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Look, I've seen January. I really really hope to god

834
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Speaker 3: it's January. Well did I just make that up? And

835
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Speaker 3: now I'm going to embarrass myself. Oh look, I'll have

836
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Speaker 3: a look. I'll come back to you so you don't

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Speaker 3: I have to google it and you can trust me

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Speaker 3: when I come back to you this time. Jaffer gone.

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Speaker 3: That's it. That is it. The jaffer has gone. RJ's

840
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Speaker 3: who make the Jaffer, have confirmed that it has now

841
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Speaker 3: been pulled. They can't keep making jaffers, they say, due

842
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: to declining sales. They are no longer on the product

843
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 3: page of RJ's website. They haven't been on the social

844
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Speaker 3: media since January. So that's the end of it. So

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Speaker 3: if you if you can. I think there's still some

846
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Speaker 3: Jaffers at New World, but Woolies has got rid of

847
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Speaker 3: all the sold out of the Jaffers. So if you

848
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Speaker 3: if you're absolutely one hundred percent into the Jaffers, you

849
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Speaker 3: need to go and buy some quick smart and stock

850
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Speaker 3: up because other, you know what, if it was ten

851
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 3: or fifteen years ago, I would have been sad about this,

852
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Speaker 3: but I'm a grown up now and I don't care.

853
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Speaker 3: And also the other thing is is this unfair? But

854
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Speaker 3: have you noticed this? I feel like they swapped out

855
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Speaker 3: the chocolate in the Jaffer a long time ago, and

856
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Speaker 3: it's the stink chocolate now, you know how you get

857
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 3: good chocolate and the good chocolate gone, you know, and

858
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, I want some more of that, and

859
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 3: then you get that cheap chocolate that kind of leaves

860
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 3: a coating on your tongue. Like it's the crappy stuff

861
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 3: that people sometimes put in, like the chocolate chippy bits

862
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 3: in their cakes, you know, like really stink, bad rubbish chocolate.

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Speaker 3: I feel like it was that, and I feel like

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Speaker 3: that is why I stopped eating the jap As. I

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Speaker 3: could be wrong, but either way, I will never find

866
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Speaker 3: Allen hither. You can still buy the Jaffers through House

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885
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Speaker 3: bag and they're called orange chocolate balls and you will

886
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 3: absolutely need your shot of wigovy after that. Nineteen past five. Listen,

887
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 3: don't panic, but there are some dangerous spiders that have

888
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:32,479
Speaker 3: invaded New Zealand. Noble false widow spiders spotted and ported

889
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 3: to a last year. Now they're in christ Church, Nelson,

890
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 3: Northland and Waitecuttle. Professor Stephen Truick is an evolutionary ecologist

891
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 3: at Massi University High Stephen, Hello, Hello. If they bite you,

892
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 3: do you die?

893
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 16: Possibly? Very unlikely? A worst can I his scenario? I'll

894
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 16: give you the worst case scenario. You're liking around in

895
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 16: your backyard, you nick yourself, or you think you've nicked

896
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 16: yourself on something. You're reaching for that cricket ball behind

897
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 16: the fence, and know the usual thing, you're paying no

898
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 16: attention to it. You don't know you've been bidden by

899
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 16: a spider. But you get an infection where the bite was,

900
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 16: but you still don't know it was a spider. You

901
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 16: eventually decide I've got to go to the doctors, even

902
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 16: though I have to wait and pay and all the

903
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 16: rest of it. And they say, well, dear, you know

904
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Speaker 16: you've got an infection. Will give you some antibiotics. The

905
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 16: antibiotics don't work. You get an open ulcer, you get

906
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 16: awa ane and said around for six hours whatever it is,

907
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 16: and get looked at, and then they starting to find

908
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 16: other solutions because well, alternative antibiotics. So the thing is

909
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 16: that like most spiders, they're not going to bite you

910
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 16: because they're not interested in you. But this one they

911
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 16: do have some toxins that are similar to the toxins

912
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 16: that black widows and red backs have their predators. After all,

913
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 16: that's what they use their toxins for, little little things.

914
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 16: I don't know whether it you know, you can feel

915
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 16: anything when one of these bi biders bites you. There's

916
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 16: not been reports of scruciating pain. You probably have a

917
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 16: bit of a niggle, but much more likely you don't

918
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 16: recognize it at the time. And that's in a way

919
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 16: the problem, because if you do get an infection from

920
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Speaker 16: the bacteria associated with this spider, then it's difficult for

921
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 16: people to track or how did you get this, where's

922
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 16: it come from? What's going on?

923
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, but we're not sort of like you've got

924
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: five minutes you need to smoke your last cigarette and

925
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: you're gonna fall over.

926
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Speaker 14: And.

927
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 16: Well you shouldn't be smoking a cigarette anyway, But.

928
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 3: Well, you've got five minutes. I don't know about you, Steven,

929
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 3: but I'm probably going to smoke a cigarette. I'm going

930
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Speaker 3: to find one.

931
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Speaker 16: What have you got time for, priate?

932
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Speaker 14: That's right.

933
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Speaker 16: No, it's certainly not wherever you can manage your fabriate. No,

934
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Speaker 16: it's certainly not like that. The venom of these things

935
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Speaker 16: similar even black widows in Australia. It might be painful,

936
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Speaker 16: it might give you a bit of discomfort, but it's

937
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 16: not going to kill you.

938
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Speaker 12: Okay.

939
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Speaker 16: The interesting thing is to follow on stuff if that happens,

940
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Speaker 16: the infection that might follow.

941
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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you really appreciated. That made me feel a

942
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 3: bit better. Stephen appreciated Stephen Trueck, who's an expert. They

943
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 3: like urban environments. They hang around gardens, they hang around

944
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 3: outdoor furniture, under pot plants, under tar Pauland's, in fence crevices.

945
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 3: Males are seen at night on exterior walls, are on

946
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 3: the ground. So you know, just avoid, but you know

947
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 3: you're not going to die. How good is that? I

948
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: was kind of right about The patent depends on where

949
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 3: you look. Different patents expire at different times. So there

950
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 3: are some patents are expiring next year as early as March.

951
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 3: In places like China, Canada, India, and Brazil, there will

952
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 3: be patents ex expiring next year, so there will be

953
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 3: generic versions of WEGOVI popping up. But in places like

954
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 3: the States, for example, they have got patents going all

955
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Speaker 3: the way through for maybe maybe seven years, maybe a decade,

956
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 3: so it'll be a little while before you get the

957
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 3: generic out of the State's five twenty two.

958
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: Checking the point of the story, it's Heather duplicy Ellen

959
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and youth

960
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: tog sa'd.

961
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 3: Be five twenty five. So the act Party has confirmed

962
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 3: today what I told you last week. I had heard

963
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: had happened with that treaty clause in the education legislation

964
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 3: that's got Erica Stanford in trouble. Now, if you haven't

965
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 3: caught up on this, what's happened as Erica Stanford tweaked

966
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 3: the education law, but then she left the treaty clause

967
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 3: in there. And the treaty clause forces school boards to

968
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 3: give effect to the Treaty of Wykungy by reflecting local

969
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 3: t kung Amori mat todung A Maori and the owl

970
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 3: Marii and so on. Now, what I told you last

971
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 3: week was that I'd heard Erica knew that clause was

972
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 3: there and chose to leave it there. Act asked her

973
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 3: to take it out. She didn't want to take it out,

974
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 3: so they struck a compromise. The compromises, they're going to

975
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 3: send it to Paul Goldsmith and he's going to review

976
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 3: all the treaty clauses and all the laws. David Seymore

977
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 3: has basically confirmed today publicly that that is what happened. Now,

978
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 3: this is not a good look for National because, regardless

979
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 3: of what you think of that treaty clause and whether

980
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: you want it out or not, a lot of National

981
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 3: Party voters, New Zealand First voters and Act Party voters

982
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 3: probably expected that clause to come out because that was

983
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 3: in the coalition agreement with New Zealand First. Now, what

984
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 3: National can say in its defense is that they never

985
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 3: promised to get rid of them. They promised to get

986
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 3: rid of them or rewrite them. And there's the wriggle

987
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 3: there's the wriggle room right there. They might rewrite them.

988
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 3: And I suspect that maybe what National is planning to

989
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 3: do not get rid of them, but rewrite them, because

990
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 3: they haven't got the courage. Tell you what, it's going

991
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 3: to be a hard sell to those voters who voted

992
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 3: for the various parties in this coalition government looking for

993
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 3: a tidying up those principles, and they're going to told

994
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 3: be told those principles are staying there, they're just being rewritten.

995
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 3: I suspect that's a fair few voters who are going

996
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 3: to be a little bit upset about that. Plus it's

997
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 3: double handling. It's untidy. Could have been one minister tidying

998
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 3: up the bill taking out the principle. Now it's two

999
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: ministers tidying up the bill, and on top of that,

1000
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: National looking publicly like it's going soft. Here's a tip

1001
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 3: to National, do it properly the first time. If you

1002
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 3: don't do it properly the first time, it just looks

1003
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 3: like you're getting dragged to it by your minor coalition partner. Ever,

1004
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 3: dupless youth parliamentarians are pretty upset at the moment they

1005
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 3: reckon that they are being censored because they wrote some

1006
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 3: speeches and the speeches were a bit mean about the

1007
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 3: government and stuff like that. So anyway they're gonna They're

1008
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 3: gonna come on the show and explain to us what's

1009
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: going on here. If you and they'll be with us

1010
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 3: after half pass. If you're a fan of James Bond,

1011
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 3: I've got some good news for you. It looks like

1012
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 3: the James Bond bosses have narrowed down their shortlist to

1013
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 3: three names. Right, these are the three people who could

1014
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 3: men who could play James Bond. The first one is

1015
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 3: Jacob Elaudi from Saltburn. He was the one. He's the

1016
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 3: love interest. He's not the creepy one at the center

1017
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 3: of Saltburn. He's the one that the creepy one's into,

1018
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 3: do you know what I'm talking about? The one in

1019
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 3: the bar. That one, he's kind of hot. I'm okay

1020
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 3: with that. Second one is Tom Holland from Spider Man,

1021
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 3: also not looking. Third one is Harris Dickinson from Baby Girl.

1022
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 3: Least well known of the three of them. They really

1023
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: really want a British actor under thirty. One of them

1024
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 3: is Aussie. But that's that's the same, isn't it. So

1025
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 3: there you go. Headline's next.

1026
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: After making the news, the news makers talk to Heather First.

1027
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand. Let's

1028
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 1: get connected news talk.

1029
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 2: Sa'd be.

1030
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 3: Huddle is standing by Winston Peters is going to be

1031
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 3: with us after six and talk us through whether he

1032
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 3: is at all interested answers probably know in the partial

1033
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 3: privatize I privatization of key we rail. So anyway we'll

1034
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 3: get us. We'll get his take on why that isn't

1035
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 3: a good idea? Heather, you can get Jeffer cake Gin.

1036
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: It's beautiful. Hey, we've got to talk about gin because

1037
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 3: we are making some outstanding gin in this country and

1038
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 3: it's actually getting recognized worldwide. So let me run you

1039
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 3: through that very shortly. Right now, it's twenty four away

1040
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 3: from six now. Some youth parliamentarians are claiming government censorship

1041
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 3: after suggested changes to their speeches. All youth MPs get

1042
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 3: a three minute speech, but some say that the speeches

1043
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 3: were edited to remove references to pay equity in the

1044
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 3: Treaty of White Tonguey Principles Bill and so on. Nate

1045
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 3: Wilbourne is one of the youth MPs who had their

1046
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 3: speeches changed, and Nate's with us now, Hi, Nate got it. Hello,

1047
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 3: what was the problem with your speech?

1048
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1049
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 17: Okay, so a little bit of context here. So I'm

1050
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 17: one of the one hundred and twenty three youth MPs.

1051
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 17: So I've come across altered or the sweet trippers in

1052
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 17: our communities here in Youth Parliament. Essentially my speech which

1053
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 17: I'll be giving tomorrow morning, topic of it is the

1054
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 17: war on nature. And when I sub in my speech

1055
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 17: because it was part of the procol we have submit

1056
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 17: our speeches to the Youth Parliament Project team, I got

1057
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 17: a reply as well as an edited vision of my

1058
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 17: speech where a majority of it was cut out and

1059
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 17: the reply had quote un quotes. Some of the speech

1060
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 17: lacks political neutrality by criticizing dis government and current ministers.

1061
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 16: But this is what we believe.

1062
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 17: What I believe is a pretty pretty you know, out

1063
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 17: there form of censorship of youth waltzers here in his parliament.

1064
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 3: Are you going to give it anyway?

1065
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: Oh?

1066
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 17: Hell yeah no, I'm going to be out there tomorrow.

1067
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 17: I'm going to be why. I intend to call up

1068
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 17: Minister's Shane Jones, some of Pautucker, Penny Simmons for their

1069
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 17: actions and assault on nature because that's you know, I

1070
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 17: believe that I'm here to give my voice on what

1071
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 17: I care about and what my community back in Brightwater

1072
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 17: and my electra care about.

1073
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 3: They reckon, this is the ministry. I reckon. It was

1074
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 3: just suggestions they were making that it was really up

1075
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 3: to you guys whether you whether you get those suggestions

1076
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 3: on board or not. Is that true? Totally?

1077
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 1: Well?

1078
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 17: No, you know what I argue is that the way

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Speaker 17: that the phrase suggestions applies that they and mandating these changes.

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Speaker 17: But if I thought what they attend, the subject line

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Speaker 17: of the email that we got, like email with our

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Speaker 17: speeches stays changes require, which means that like a USMP,

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00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 17: you won't be as willing to ignore their advice, may

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Speaker 17: have a weaker speech as they'll be reading this email

1085
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 17: from m ID who's organized in the event saying changes

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Speaker 17: require to their speeches. So it's you know, not really

1087
00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 17: more of a suggestion and rather more of a mandate,

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Speaker 17: is what I would argue.

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Speaker 3: Although a mandate that you're ignoring, so not that much

1090
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Speaker 3: of a mandate, is it.

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Speaker 14: Well?

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Speaker 17: You see, the thing is like I'm someone that stands

1093
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 17: up for what I believe it and I kind of

1094
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 17: came here because I believe and what I stand for,

1095
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 17: and so speaking up and seeking out. So that's why

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00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 17: I wasn't even breach the standing order.

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Speaker 5: The just breaches the.

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Speaker 17: Guidance that we've been given by the Youth Parliament Team,

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00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 17: which kind of goes against excitations that we had. So, yeah,

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Speaker 17: I'll be sticking up and I'll be naming the current

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00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 17: ministers of the government who you know irrelevant to my speech.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: Hey.

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00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 3: They also say that what they're trying to do is

1105
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 3: help you guys out and just make sure that you

1106
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 3: don't get yourselves into trouble because you're not covered by

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00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 3: parliamentary privilege.

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Speaker 17: Yeah.

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00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 14: So we've had a whole.

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Speaker 17: Lot of redic Like, I do appreciate that they are

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00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 17: looking out for us, because you know, there is no

1112
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 17: like legal coverage we have when we're sitting in the House.

1113
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 17: There's been a lot of what I would call kind

1114
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 17: of fear mongering by the Project team as well. We've

1115
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 17: been told that we can be such a defamation, but

1116
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 17: under the Defamation Act of nineteen ninety two, to be

1117
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 17: the sammatory, a statement must be published, which it will

1118
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 17: be by speaking publicly in news parliaments. I must identify

1119
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 17: the person the sames and it must be the stammatory,

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Speaker 17: meaning that it harms the person's reputation.

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Speaker 16: But the thing is.

1122
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 17: Here is that it also kind of goes against like

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00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 17: the Bill of Rights Act and Section fourteen where it

1124
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 17: talks about the freedom of expression which kind of guarantees

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00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 17: everybody the rights freedom of expression which includes the freedom

1126
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Speaker 17: of secret sive in part information and opinions in any

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Speaker 17: kind of form. So it's a bit of both sides here.

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Speaker 17: But like what we're saying, you know, we're here to

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Speaker 17: hold the government to account.

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Speaker 15: And I guess it's kind of a.

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00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 17: Dangerous president for youth engagement where youth force is kind

1132
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 17: of managed in this space rather than it being valued,

1133
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 17: you know.

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Speaker 3: Nate, thank you, good luck tomorrow night. Wilbourne, UCMP for

1135
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 3: Damian O'Connor. Twenty away from.

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Speaker 1: Six The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find you.

1137
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 3: Are one of a kind huddle. We've got Stuart Ash,

1138
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 3: former Labor Party minister, and Thomas Scrimger of the Maximu Institute.

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Speaker 18: Highlights here about here.

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Speaker 3: Now Stu, you being a former police minister, can answer

1141
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 3: this for me. This is read the shoplifting on the

1142
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 3: spot finds. Can police actually and them out before determining

1143
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 3: guilt through a court.

1144
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 19: Yeah, sure they can. Yeah, I mean this is a

1145
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,959
Speaker 19: major problem. When I was Minister of Police but also

1146
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 19: Minister of Small business, this is a this is a

1147
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 19: real problem. Costs retailers literally hundreds of millions of dollars

1148
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 19: a year in this and they can get away with

1149
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 19: scott free because there was no fines. Cops realize that

1150
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 19: there's no point in horn in front of the court

1151
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 19: because the cost are doing that was massively disproportionate to

1152
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 19: the amount that they'd stolen. So really there was there

1153
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 19: was no there was no solution. So I'm a big

1154
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 19: fan of I do see the downside. The downside is

1155
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 19: that these people who really won't be able to afford

1156
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 19: the fifty bucks or whatever or five hundred dollars, well,

1157
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 19: then just just owing a whole lot of money to

1158
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 19: the point where they probably will ened up.

1159
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Speaker 3: Some of them have got lots of money and still shoplift. Alah,

1160
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 3: Golra's got garriment. But so they can afford it. But

1161
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 3: I still am not sure because surely if you're standing

1162
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 3: there the cop says to you, can you shoplifted, here's

1163
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 3: a five hundred dollar fine. You could go No, I didn't,

1164
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 3: And then they can't give up to you because you

1165
00:54:59,000 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 3: are denying.

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Speaker 19: Guilt most most of the time, it's reasonably obvious if

1167
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 19: you do so, you know.

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Speaker 3: Still reason unless you accept, you can't be fined, right, Yeah,

1169
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 3: well look, very obvious workaround.

1170
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 19: Yeah, the cops will sort this out. There's no doubt

1171
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 19: about this. But what it does do is it seems

1172
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 19: a very clear signal and a really important signal there

1173
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 19: is a society in our communities we will not tolerate

1174
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Speaker 19: people who go.

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Speaker 3: And a signal. I need it to work as well, Thomas,

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Speaker 3: can you tell me what you think. I'm not convinced, Heather.

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Speaker 20: I think you're onto something with enforceability questions. I mean,

1178
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 20: I like the idea that finds a process quicker as

1179
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 20: opposed to dragging people through the courts for shoplifting, which

1180
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 20: just takes too long to be a proper deterrent. But

1181
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 20: we know already the cops are struggling to enforce a

1182
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 20: bunch of things. Just last week we were reading in

1183
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 20: the news about trespass notices for women who have been

1184
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 20: victims of domestic violence, and I think the phrase was

1185
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 20: not worth the paper they're written on. And if cops

1186
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Speaker 20: can't enforce trespass notices against specific individuals who are already

1187
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 20: being identified. I'm not sure how much this will actually

1188
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 20: be able to be imposed upon people. Even though it's

1189
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 20: a nice idea. It has this kind of proportionality. A

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Speaker 20: fine of five hundred bucks for you know, shoplifting up

1191
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 20: to five hundred bucks, that's neat. But I'm a bit

1192
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 20: of a skeptic about how much of a difference it

1193
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 20: will make.

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00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sot, somebody's text it and said, it's like a

1195
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 3: speeding ticket, right, You get the speeding ticket, and then

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00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 3: it's presume the onus is on you to disprove that

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00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 3: you should pay the speeding ticket. Would it work like

1198
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 3: that or would it be the other way around, where

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Speaker 3: the owners is on the cop to prove to get

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Speaker 3: you to accept guilt.

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Speaker 19: Look, the bottom line, Heather is cops prioritize jobs as

1202
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 19: they come through, and shoplifting will be the least priority.

1203
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 19: You can imagine. But what we are seeing, and certainly

1204
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 19: in Napier, we've sing a lot more men and women

1205
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 19: in blue sort of wandering the streets, keeping people safe

1206
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 19: and being seen. I hope it does work. I don't

1207
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 19: know if it'll be a deterrent but I hope it

1208
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 19: does work. But and you know, you may call it

1209
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 19: virtue signaling, or some people may call it virtual virtue signaling.

1210
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 19: I don't have a problem with that, because you know,

1211
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 19: the problem is shoplisting is costing US hundreds of millions

1212
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 19: of dollars. At least someone is looking to do something

1213
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 19: about it. The cops will determine the best way to

1214
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 19: enforce it, so let's leave it up to them.

1215
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 3: Now, what do you think, Thomas about funding we Goovy?

1216
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 3: Should we do it publicly?

1217
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 20: Well, I'm not really convinced we should be doing it publicly.

1218
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 20: I mean, it's a bit of a shortcut drug, but

1219
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 20: I'm sure it helps some people. But the bigger question

1220
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 20: is why is this trial by media? The National Party

1221
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 20: in the last election campaign, we're talking about we are

1222
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 20: going to fund thirteen cancer drugs and just overriding Farmac's processes.

1223
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 20: And if you're a wegov kind of shadowy lobbyist, do

1224
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 20: you want a trial by media to pressure a government

1225
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 20: or a government agency to fund a thing? My thinking is,

1226
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 20: why are we even talking about it? Let the analysts

1227
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 20: figure it out.

1228
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you reconsume?

1229
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 19: Well, here the you know, you and I are the

1230
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 19: wrong people talk about it right because we spend hours

1231
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 19: in the gym most days and we eat healthily and you.

1232
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 3: Don't, as mate, you still have what I would time

1233
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 3: are you?

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00:57:58,400 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 16: Of course?

1235
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 19: Well, you know you've got to fitting healthy at our age,

1236
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 19: at my age. The bottom line is is I think

1237
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 19: if you've got a medical problem that means that obesity

1238
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 19: is an outcome, then yea, it probably should be a

1239
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 19: prescription and it probably should be funded. If you're just

1240
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 19: a fat bastards eaten too many pies and a lot

1241
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 19: of chips and drunk too much coke, then the evidence

1242
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 19: shows if you're on this drug at suppresses hunger. Once

1243
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 19: you get off it, then you're back to your core weight,

1244
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 19: which is your heaviest weight. So you've got to be

1245
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 19: on this droke for life. You know, I am a

1246
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 19: little bit you know, I'm probably not in the majority here,

1247
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 19: but I'm a little bit about personal responsibility. Ye Having

1248
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 19: said that, it's a tricky one because you know, one

1249
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 19: in three adults in New Zealand a class is obese.

1250
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 19: The cost of the health system of treating diabetes and

1251
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 19: other health related diseases is massive, it really is.

1252
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 3: Now, STU, do you reckon because you know, if you're

1253
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 3: doing the weights, you really need those muscles to pop right.

1254
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 3: You need to shread for it. Would you give yourself

1255
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 3: a little gov just just to get that looking roule tight?

1256
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 19: No way, I would just eat least carves more protein

1257
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 19: than work a little bit harder.

1258
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 3: I love it. Personal responsibility or take a break card

1259
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 3: it too.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeast International Realty achieve extraordinary

1261
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: results with unparallel reach.

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00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 3: Check with the huddle. We've got Thomas skrimj and Stewart Nash. Thomas,

1263
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 3: what do you make of ACT publicly confirming that that

1264
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 3: had this fighting cabinet with National about removing that treaty

1265
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 3: principles from the legislation.

1266
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 20: Well, obviously it's a bit of a bit of trouble

1267
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 20: for National because their coalition partners on a range of

1268
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 20: issues are getting to I guess determine what the storyline

1269
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 20: is to make a bit of noise. Act a vocal

1270
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 20: about this and National really just don't want to talk

1271
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 20: about it. But I think, you know, we don't want

1272
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 20: to let ACT be the ones who just say on

1273
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 20: education is just about academic excellence. You know, there are

1274
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 20: other things that matter. We have an education system that

1275
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 20: is about creating citizens and so you know the Treaty

1276
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 20: of White Tonguey stories of nationhood and citizenship matter as well.

1277
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 20: So national need to be confident. It's how a different

1278
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 20: story that isn't the old system that Labor had in

1279
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 20: place and that Stuart was in government for or acts

1280
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 20: noise making as well. So the national need to be

1281
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 20: bolder about it.

1282
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 3: When the trouble that National has got there is that

1283
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 3: every time they do somethingherey where they try to kind

1284
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 3: of you know, pull a quick one on us, do

1285
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 3: you they just get busted by act, don't they?

1286
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1287
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 19: No, No, I agree. I have a real problem with this.

1288
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 19: First and foremost, if this was so important to David Seymour,

1289
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 19: it should have been the coalition agreement and it wasn't. Secondly,

1290
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 19: he is bound by cabinet responsibility. He has agreed to

1291
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 19: disagree clause so he can come out and say I

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Speaker 19: don't agree with the cabinet decision, which is a big

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Speaker 19: call to make. But he has that card up asleep,

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Speaker 19: which he didn't use. And I heard the Ministry of

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Speaker 19: Education in the view to Mike Coskin about this, and

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Speaker 19: I completely agree with her, there is a wider review

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Speaker 19: at the moment of treaty clauses in all legislation. The

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Speaker 19: Treaty of Waitangi clause is throughout the Education Act. If

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Speaker 19: you just take it out in one section, then that

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Speaker 19: leads to a whole lot more trouble than just leaving

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Speaker 19: it in and waiting for the wider review. I think

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Speaker 19: David has being very well well. If you're going to

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Speaker 19: take it out of the Education Act at a one clause,

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Speaker 19: you take it out of the whole Act. But as

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Speaker 19: as Erica Stanford said, there is a wider review going

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Speaker 19: on by you know, give.

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Speaker 3: It at on this though, Stue, because you're going to

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you're going to take it out of it,

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Speaker 3: just take it out of the bit that you're working

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Speaker 3: on at the moment. You don't need it to take

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Speaker 3: it out right, And then then when Goldie goes through

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Speaker 3: and reviews everything, he can take all the bits out.

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Speaker 3: There's no point though, leaving it there for him to find.

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Speaker 3: If you're going to take it out anyway, the reason

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Speaker 3: that you leave it there is because you're not planning

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Speaker 3: to take it out. You're planning to rewrite it.

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Speaker 19: No, No, that's not true. So my understanding is Erica

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Speaker 19: has actually taken it out of a primary objective and

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01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:45,919
Speaker 19: put it into the second objective. What she has said

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Speaker 19: is the primary objective his educational attainment, and we all

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Speaker 19: agree on that. But as mentioned, David is breaking cabinet

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Speaker 19: confidence and if it was so important to him, why

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Speaker 19: didn't he put this in the coalition agreement. This is

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Speaker 19: David playing politics and I think it's I think it's

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Speaker 19: a little bit mediocre.

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Speaker 3: Okay, are you going to miss, Thomas the Jeffers?

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Speaker 20: Well, I wanted to say that I am going to

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Speaker 20: miss the Jeffers, that I'm missing this treasured treat, but

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Speaker 20: I can't remember the last time I actually bought one,

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Speaker 20: so probably a bit of a hypocritical thing to say.

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Speaker 20: I mean, I think if they come back with a

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Speaker 20: splash in the near future, you know, I might then

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Speaker 20: be sucked into buying one when they come back from

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Speaker 20: the dead. But honestly, they're not a regular habit for me.

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Speaker 3: Fly by Night it was just such an admission of

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Speaker 3: exactly how we behave there. Thomas ste of course you

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Speaker 3: wouldn't never let a thing like this cross your lips.

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Speaker 19: Well, that's why you go, that's why you go to

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Speaker 19: the gym here so you can have the odd treat.

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Speaker 19: But I'm a hard jubes man. Truth, men, I can't

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Speaker 19: remember the last time I had a Jeffer Jeffersin's. On

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Speaker 19: the other hand, now that is the top biscuit out there,

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Speaker 19: but jeffers scene, I'm afraid that over in any day

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Speaker 19: every day.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's bold. Okay, guys, thank you very much, appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Stuart Nash and Thomas Scrimger a huddle this evening eight

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Speaker 3: away from.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather duper se Allan Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my hard radio powered by News Talk ZEBI.

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Speaker 3: Here the Stewart Nash taking it out on actors, very

1351
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 3: on message for New Zealand First, which thank you for

1352
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 3: pointing it out. We have to be on guard with

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Speaker 3: ste now every time he comes on here, he's doing

1354
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 3: New Zealand First's work for them. So it's exactly right.

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01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 3: The two coalition partners fire shots at each other, try

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Speaker 3: they try to. They're basically like two children vying to

1357
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Speaker 3: be daddy's favorite, do you know what I mean? So anyway,

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Speaker 3: thank you, thank you for pointing that out. Hither, I

1359
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 3: spent thirty eight years in traffic enforcement. When I first

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Speaker 3: joined up, the maximum fine for drink driving was two

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Speaker 3: and a half thousand dollars. The max now was six

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Speaker 3: and a half thousand dollars, but I have never seen

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Speaker 3: a fine exceed eighteen hundred dollars. These scrots will keep

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Speaker 3: on offending. This is with the shoplifting, will rack up

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Speaker 3: bigger amounts in the fines, which will ultimately be remitted. John,

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Speaker 3: thank you. We can all see the fines are going

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Speaker 3: to go nowhere. It's a load of nonsense. Makes us

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Speaker 3: feel good, but it's actually not going to work. Hey,

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Speaker 3: Thoughts and prayers to Charles. Charles is just Dick missioned

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Speaker 3: the train, the Royal Train, because what they're trying to

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Speaker 3: do is they're trying to cut costs. Everybody's got the

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Speaker 3: cost of living biting, so they're getting rid of the train.

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Speaker 3: They're trying to cut costs and modernize the monarchy. They

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Speaker 3: have had the train in the Royal family since eighteen forty,

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Speaker 3: and it's probably not exactly the same train, but they've

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Speaker 3: had a Royal train since eighteen forty. They are instead

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Speaker 3: going to when they sell it by two new more

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Speaker 3: fuel efficient helicopters, which tells you how expensive a train is. Ey, Like,

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Speaker 3: if you can get two choppers for the price of

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Speaker 3: one train, that train is expensive. It's always a sad

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Speaker 3: day when a family has to sell its train.

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Speaker 21: When you're cutting back on the cost of living, so

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Speaker 21: you buy two helicopters as you're way of cutting back

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Speaker 21: on the cost of living.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's basically too hard times and understand it though.

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Speaker 3: It's like selling the Bentley and buying two scooters. That's

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Speaker 3: the same.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, Yeah, you're right, Yeah, exactly the same.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's always a sad day when a family

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Speaker 3: has to sell it's Bentley. It's fascinating, by the way,

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Speaker 3: it's four minutes away from Sex It's fascinating how other

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Speaker 3: people see us say so, I was reading The Guardian today.

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Speaker 3: Guardian has written a piece about expad Americans living in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand, given that so many of them are moving

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Speaker 3: here to escape Donald Trump. And so the Guardian asked

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Speaker 3: these expad Americans what do you think of living in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand? And they said they love the free healthcare.

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Speaker 3: Having free health care to them has liberated them. They

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Speaker 3: don't have to make choices about which job they take

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Speaker 3: based on what healthcare package is available to they can

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Speaker 3: take whatever job they want because they will always have

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Speaker 3: free healthcare. So they love the free healthcare. They love

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Speaker 3: the natural beauty of New Zealand. They love all of

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01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 3: the annual leave that we've got well acause you've got

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Speaker 3: a quite sweet.

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Speaker 16: Ah.

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Speaker 3: Don't forget that we have got it quite sweet compared

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Speaker 3: to the rest of the world when it comes to

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01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 3: all of your hollybobs, and also the four weeks that

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Speaker 3: you get. But what they don't like is how isolated

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01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 3: they are in New Zealand because it takes forever to

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Speaker 3: get anywhere. They find it really hard to make friends

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Speaker 3: because we are weirdly unfriendly to them and everybody they

1414
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 3: reckon our house as are cold. They notice that you

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01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 3: get your jobs more easily based on who you know

1416
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 3: than what you know. They say good dill pickles are

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01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 3: very hard to come by, and they say, if you

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Speaker 3: think you'll going to get rich in New Zealand, forget it.

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Speaker 3: That ain't gonna happen. So no train for you if

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Speaker 3: you move to New Zealand. How No one though how

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Speaker 3: about this. No one regretted their choice to move to

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Speaker 3: New Zealand. None had any pressing desire to return to

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Speaker 3: the US.

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Speaker 10: How about that.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome, right, We're going to talk to Winnie actually

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Speaker 3: on the subject of trains man who loves trains when

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Speaker 3: he peers with us next on whether he would partially

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Speaker 3: privatize the old fairies. News Talks EB.

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Speaker 1: Keeping track of where the money is flowing. The Business

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Speaker 1: hour with had the duplessy out of and theirs insurance

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Speaker 1: and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future newstalks EDB.

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Speaker 3: Evening coming up in the next hour. Have you heard

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Speaker 3: about the nurse who went to India got herself a

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01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 3: new hip at the quarter of what you a quarter

1435
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 3: of the price that you'd pay here. We're going to

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Speaker 3: talk to her after half past. Jamie McKay's with us

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Speaker 3: shortly in to Brady out of the UK as well.

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01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 3: At seven past six. Now the debate over whether we

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Speaker 3: should partially privatize the cockstraight Fairies has been sparked again.

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01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 3: It turns out the government told the company that's buying

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Speaker 3: our new fairies for us to consider it as an option.

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Speaker 3: Winston Peters is the Minister for railing with us. Now, Hi, Winston, Hello,

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Speaker 3: are you considering it?

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Speaker 22: Look, we just put out all of the options, and

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Speaker 22: in terms of considering it, the answer is no, we're not.

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Speaker 22: We're just looking at and making sure that people knew

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Speaker 22: what all the options were before we made a long

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Speaker 22: term decision.

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Speaker 3: Have you made that long term decision? Then it's ruled out,

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Speaker 3: is it?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 22: Look, if you remember what happened the last time it

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Speaker 22: was privatized, the shares and the privatization went beyond nine dollars.

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Speaker 22: When it collapsed, it was under twenty dollars, under thirty

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Speaker 22: cents per share. It was a massive sellout, a massive loss,

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Speaker 22: and we've rebuilt the whole thing. We're not about to

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Speaker 22: make the same mistake a second time.

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Speaker 3: Why did it go wrong last time?

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Speaker 22: Long last time? Because we had a company making itself

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Speaker 22: the financial advisors in October of nineteen ninety two. The

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Speaker 22: next year, they jumped across the table and said, hello,

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Speaker 22: we're the buyer with Wisconsin Central Railroad. You know that

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Speaker 22: was it was fair riush white and the rest is history.

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Speaker 3: Well, could we, not, having learned the lessons of that,

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Speaker 3: do it again properly?

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Speaker 22: We'll do what again? Properly?

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Speaker 18: What clefts the whole investment on partially partially privatized? Why

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01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 18: so that it runs more and actually a bigger part,

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Speaker 18: so that it runs.

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Speaker 3: More efficiently and actually works. I mean, because if you

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Speaker 3: look at the public version of the Cookstrait fairies, they

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Speaker 3: are really bad. You look at the private version being Bluebridge,

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Speaker 3: it's actually working quite well.

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Speaker 22: Oh, you don't understand that the Brewbridge is depended upon

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01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 22: the other service delivered by Qrailer. If q Well wasn't there,

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Speaker 22: the whole thing would be massively inadequate, massively insufficient.

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Speaker 5: I mean.

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Speaker 22: This is the decision that was made decades ago by

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Speaker 22: some very wise politicians when we were actually number two

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Speaker 22: in the world, because we were smart about our investments.

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Speaker 22: And we're going back to being smart about our investments

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Speaker 22: again now. The key thing is to get the right managers.

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Speaker 3: In Okay, So have you got any updates for us

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Speaker 3: on how you go and buying those new fairies.

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Speaker 22: Well, look me down to the bidding process. There's six

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Speaker 22: interested tenderers. They will be decided in the fullness of

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Speaker 22: time and very very soon, and then we will be

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Speaker 22: able to get on with the wolves which are required

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Speaker 22: for them, the buildings required for them and the yards

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Speaker 22: required for them. We are going to save in the

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Speaker 22: long run billions of dollars from the New Zealand taxpayer's account,

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Speaker 22: which the IREX program was sending us to do. The

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Speaker 22: IREX program had less than twenty percent for the fairies

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Speaker 22: and the rest was all infrastructure and heating, as Treasury said,

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Speaker 22: passed four billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: Listen just quickly once they're on this business with the

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Speaker 3: Treaty principles in the education law, and Erica Stanford has

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Speaker 3: been getting a fair bit of heat lately. Do you

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Speaker 3: think that that treaty principle in there is going to

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Speaker 3: be removed or is it going to be rewritten?

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Speaker 22: Well, look, the full review of where treaty clauses belong

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Speaker 22: or don't belong is being done right now, and we

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Speaker 22: are saying that when that happens and we've done the

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Speaker 22: full review, then if a bill has well allegation has

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Speaker 22: this in it that is not required to be in it,

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Speaker 22: it'll be taken out. If it's not justified, it will

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01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 22: not be there because what the moment, you've got everybody

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Speaker 22: shoving it in there, and the whole thing is paralyzing

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Speaker 22: organizations right around this country.

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Speaker 3: Okay, And if it is justified, it will be rewritten.

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Speaker 3: To be quite specific, But in what cases would it

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Speaker 3: be justified to remain in the legislation.

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Speaker 22: Well, we'll lay them all out before you, but it's

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Speaker 22: part of our collegi agreement. We decided when these talks,

1515
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 22: we're going to fix this once and for all because

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01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 22: you had a disaster going on where everybody was interping

1517
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,680
Speaker 22: the principles of the featy of white toy and as

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01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 22: God pointed out way back one hundred years ago, they

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01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 22: do not have principles.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and do you think, having looked, because I imagine

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01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 3: you will have seen this by now what's gone on

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01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 3: in the education in this piece of legislation, do you

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01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 3: think that is necessary or will it be removed?

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Speaker 22: Well, the reality is that they're hammering poor Erica Stanford,

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01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 22: when in fact, the legislation she's talking about she inherited.

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Speaker 18: And we know that we're across people.

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Speaker 22: I hope people do know that. And so some of

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01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 22: these when some of these absolutis jump in their argument,

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01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 22: they don't really understand what a huge difficulty we're dealing

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01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 22: with because you've had government up, the government tacking on

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01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 22: things without any understanding.

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Speaker 3: Answering my question. And I'm starting to feel like you're

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Speaker 3: trying to avoid it.

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Speaker 22: I'm not avoided.

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Speaker 18: I'm the one that's do you think it should be

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01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 18: there or not?

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Speaker 22: Well, my personal opinion is in most cases education it

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01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 22: should not be in there.

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Speaker 3: Top all right, so most likely out How long is

1540
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 3: this review going to take their pool goals?

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01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 9: Is doing?

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01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 22: Do you think, well, he's not doing We're all doing it.

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01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 22: And it's over the next few weeks and months. It's

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01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 22: very close to finality, and we'll let you know when

1545
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 22: we've done the work.

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01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 3: So will you have all of the treaty principles in

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Speaker 3: all of the legislation reviewed in the next few months.

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Speaker 22: We're reviewing it as we speak.

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01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 3: Yes, you will live it all done by the end

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Speaker 3: of this year.

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01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 22: Our proposal is to ensure that we change the law

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01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 22: befitting what this country entered into at the Treaty of

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01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 22: White and Sex of Februar eighty and forty and something

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01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 22: that's and not.

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Speaker 18: Something made here, what do you say, let.

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Speaker 22: Me tell you, and not something constructed by the sociology

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01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 22: department of the university, but no recognition of history itself

1558
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 22: and the facts.

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Speaker 18: Okay, do you think by the end of the year,

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01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 18: quite possibly?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Okay, cool, Hey, thank you, Winston, appreciate it. Winston Peter's

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01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 3: Minister for Ral. So there you go. They're going through

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01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 3: all of the legislation looking at all. Poor of Paul

1565
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 3: Goldsmith who's been announcing all the law he's busy doing

1566
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 3: all the law and order stuff lately. When he's finished

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01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 3: with he's going to have to look at all of

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01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:03,919
Speaker 3: the Treaty of a Treaty of White thing and principles

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01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 3: in all of the legislation which they're doing, and then

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01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 3: they're going to have make decisions and apparently most most

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01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:09,719
Speaker 3: likely by the end of the YA. I'm very excited

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Speaker 3: to see that. Good news for you. Businesses are still

1573
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 3: feeling quite optimistic that we have turned the corner on

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01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 3: this economic stuff, even though they are doing it tough.

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Speaker 3: So this is according to the latest quarterly Business Opinion

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01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 3: survey from the nz Ateer. They found activity is still

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01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 3: quite weak across a lot of sectors in the economy.

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01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,719
Speaker 3: Our net twenty three percent of firms have have reported

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Speaker 3: a decline in activity, just quite a lot, but they're

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01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 3: still hopeful and next twenty seven percent of firms expect

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01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 3: general economic conditions to improve the problem with this, I'm

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01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 3: happy yay. Let's just accept that problem here though. It's

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Speaker 3: got an o CR decision next week, and this kind

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01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 3: of data means we're probably not going to get another cut,

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01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 3: We're going to get a pause, So brace yourself with that.

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Speaker 3: Fourteen past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper Clan Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my radio, powered by news dog Zebbie Hey by the.

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Speaker 3: Way Warehouse Group Not that Flash just revised its full

1590
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 3: year earnings guidance tougher than expected final quarter, now looking

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01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 3: at possibly five million dollar profit for the year, maybe

1592
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 3: five million dollar loss. Same problem as Katmandu KMD. Same problem.

1593
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 3: Whether it's two warm, people aren't buying the jackets and stuff.

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Speaker 3: Seventeen passis Jamie McKay, hosts of the Countries with us

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Speaker 3: Alo Jamie.

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Speaker 14: Hello, Heather. I guess we can blame climate change for

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01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 14: that as well.

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Speaker 3: Probably there's a kind of climate change I'm into. I

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Speaker 3: don't know about you, but I quite like rolling around

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Speaker 3: without a jacket on.

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01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 14: What about you? Well? As a landowner down in Southland,

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01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 14: I'm already planning my keyw fruit orchard.

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01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 3: Are you okay? Fantastic? I can't wait to try it

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01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 3: grow the red stuff now because I haven't. I haven't

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01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 3: got my hands on that yet. Now, talk to me

1606
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:48,679
Speaker 3: about this GDT auction tonight. What are we expecting?

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01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,919
Speaker 14: Well, look, it's been down the last couple of actions,

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01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 14: and futures is suggesting whole milk powder could be down

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01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 14: by four percent. My man that I go to Mike

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01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 14: mcintyret and it's picking a less drastic two percent.

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01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 5: He said.

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Speaker 14: Watch out for butter though, yellow gold as it's known

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01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 14: these days. They've loaded up the platform with extra volume.

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01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 14: So the question as well price as fall as a

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01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 14: results supply and demand or is there just an insatiable

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01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 14: demand for butter. Interestingly, the futures for the milk price

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01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 14: twenty five twenty six, the season we've just moved into,

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01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 14: are still at a very healthy nine to seventy five.

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01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 14: But I look at Open Country Dairy, the second biggest

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01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 14: process of behind Fonterra. They put a fixed price out

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01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 14: on the market a month or so ago at nine

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01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 14: point fifty. They came out again last week at nine

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01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 14: thirty five. So I'm not saying the golden days are over,

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01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 14: far from it, but maybe ten dollars might be just

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Speaker 14: confined to this season. I hope I'm wrong on that one,

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01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 14: because we need ten dollars.

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Speaker 3: For everything absolutely. Now, what's going wrong with the meat plants.

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Speaker 14: Well, the part of their problem is the farmers, as

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01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 14: bizarre as it seems, are getting ten dollars, are up

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01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 14: to ten dollars for their lamb per kilogram at the moment,

1631
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 14: nudging nine dollars for the beef. Last time I had

1632
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,839
Speaker 14: a look, and we've just got less of these animals

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01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 14: running around, partly and a big part due I guessed,

1634
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 14: carbon farming and land use change. So what we're seeing

1635
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 14: is these meat companies are competing really hard to get

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01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 14: the last of this season stock, and they're having to

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01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 14: pay perhaps more than they want to they're having In

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01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 14: the case of Silverfern Farms, I was at the Primary

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01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,959
Speaker 14: industry summit last week. I heard Silverfern Farm's chief executive,

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01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 14: Dan Bolton, they're the biggest meat company in the country,

1641
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:44,719
Speaker 14: saying they've had to lay off three thousand seasonal workers

1642
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 14: who are normally going flat out at this time of

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01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:52,719
Speaker 14: the year on the col kill. Try saying that quickly

1644
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,759
Speaker 14: three times in a row, you know. And the problem

1645
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 14: being we've had real issues in the meat industry in

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01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 14: recent years attracting good quality workers because there hasn't been

1647
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 14: the surety of employment. So this is not happening at all. Look,

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01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 14: the farmers are enjoying a purple patch, but the meat

1649
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 14: companies aren't. Beef curled down four percent and twenty twenty

1650
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 14: four lamb kill down nine percent, so it's sort of

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01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 14: it's diminishing returns, really, and I just hope it's not

1652
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 14: last man standing in the red meat industry when it

1653
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 14: comes to livestock supply.

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01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 3: So, Jamie, apparently we're past peak tractor, right. This used

1655
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 3: to be the bellweather. We'd look at how many tractor

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01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 3: sales there were, and then we can determine how the

1657
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 3: rural economy was doing. But nowadays we don't buy that

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01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 3: many tractors. Well, we don't buy as many tractors can

1659
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 3: buying other stuff. But what are we buying?

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01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 14: I thought that this is a quirky little story from

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01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 14: your mate Brad Olson from informature. It's he did some

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01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 14: really interesting numbers on peak tractor. We've heard about peak

1663
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 14: cow and all that sort of stuff. So apparently we're

1664
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 14: just not buying as many tractors as we used to,

1665
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 14: or not having as many tractors owned by farmers as

1666
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,679
Speaker 14: we used to we reach peak tractor back in twenty

1667
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 14: twenty two. We're down about five percent since then. And

1668
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 14: you know this is due once again to land use change,

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01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 14: I guess, changing the way farmers do business. Increasingly, we're

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01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 14: seeing a lot of farm operations using contractors. They might

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01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 14: own one tractor to do the basic stuff on their farm,

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01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 14: but when it comes to the big jobs, they'll get

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01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 14: a contractor in. Also, the other thing with tractors over

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01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 14: the years is they've got bigger, they've got more efficient.

1675
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 14: They can't bigger gear behind them. They do the job

1676
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 14: twice as quick as they used to do in the

1677
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 14: good old days. So you know, bigger tractors are working

1678
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 14: more efficiently, covering more land equals less tractors needed. So ye,

1679
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 14: peak tractor it has been and gone. We may never

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01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 14: get there again.

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Speaker 3: Interesting stuff. JERMI, thanks very much, appreciate it. Jemmy mchae,

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01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:52,560
Speaker 3: Host of the Country. By the way, speaking of the

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01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:54,679
Speaker 3: price of things that come out of the good parts

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Speaker 3: of this country, which is the land, the price of butter,

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01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,680
Speaker 3: human New Zealand. Listen, if you sell butter, get your

1686
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 3: act together, consumer New Zealand is watching you. Consumer New

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01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 3: Zealand not very happy because they have a photograph of

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01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 3: an Auckland supermarket selling butter for eight dollars twenty nine.

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01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 3: It's one of those little five hundred grand PAMs ones

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01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 3: eighteen Did I say eight dollars?

1691
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 14: Oh?

1692
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:24,679
Speaker 3: I wish eighteen dollars twenty nine in your dreams either

1693
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 3: eighteen dollars twenty nine for those five hundred Don't tell,

1694
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 3: don't tell. Nicola Nichola was on the show yesterday all

1695
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 3: raving about the price of butter. If she finds out

1696
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 3: about this, she's gonna just flip a widget. Who sells

1697
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 3: the PAMs? New World? New World sells the PAMs? What

1698
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 3: about their little other mate, Pack and Save? Do they

1699
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 3: sell the PAMs?

1700
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 5: Don't know?

1701
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 14: Yeah?

1702
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 3: Do you not go to Pack and Save anymore?

1703
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 16: Oh?

1704
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 3: The German doesn't go. The German got a pay rise.

1705
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 3: She goes to New World. Now she does not go

1706
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 3: to Pack and Save. I don't know either, because I

1707
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 3: go to Woolworth's. But anyway, if you have look, I mean,

1708
01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 3: this is this is the level it's reached. Now, if

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01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 3: you have got eighteen dollars twenty nine or thereabouts of

1710
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 3: you butter, you want to take a photograph, you want

1711
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 3: to send it to Consumer New Zealand, they'll make you

1712
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 3: famous for that. Six twenty three.

1713
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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro microbe or just playing economics. It's Small

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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and Mass

1715
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: Insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future.

1716
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:23,719
Speaker 3: The use talks that'd me Heather. The new shoplifting fines

1717
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 3: law is a joke. This is an expert. Listen to.

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Speaker 19: This is a joke.

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01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 3: People whose shoplift do not pay fines. And when they

1720
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 3: finally accumulate enough offending to get a sentence, there fines

1721
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 3: fifteen thousand dollars whatever the fines will get remitted. That's

1722
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 3: from a practicing criminal barristers thee yougo, you heard it

1723
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 3: from somebody who actually deals with this. Hey, somebody has

1724
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 3: confirmed to me. Yes, the problem with the jaffers was

1725
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 3: they were nice and then they put the palm oil

1726
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:47,560
Speaker 3: in it, and that is what ruined it. And that

1727
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 3: is why we don't buy them anymore. So if you

1728
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 3: want to do cheepy cheapy chocolate, listen, we were this

1729
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 3: is the nation of whittakers. Don't give us cheepy cheapy

1730
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 3: chocolate and think that we're gonna like it because we've

1731
01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 3: got a taste for the good stuff, now, haven't we.

1732
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 3: So that unfortunately probably sealed the deal for the Jaffers.

1733
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 3: Six twenty six. I'll give you across the latest show's nest.

1734
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 3: Here is your chance of buying a piece of history.

1735
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 3: If you're into, you know, things like the Oasis. Here

1736
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 3: is a company in the UK called prop Store. It's

1737
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 3: going to auction off some stuff tomorrow, some of the

1738
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:21,560
Speaker 3: biggest names of music history. Noel Gallagher's handwritten lyrics for

1739
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 3: Wonder Wall estimated to fetch between maybe four thousand to

1740
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:28,640
Speaker 3: eight thousand pounds. If you want something from Oasis, but

1741
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 3: you want to be a bit more usable, you can

1742
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 3: get Noel's old guitar. It's a Fender Acousta Sonic jazz

1743
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,799
Speaker 3: Master guitar. He's autographed it maybe around ten thousand pounds.

1744
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 3: There's a note autograph from Tupac as well, that's likely

1745
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 3: to fetch about eight thousand pounds. You can also if

1746
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 3: you want to get yourself four original unused tickets to

1747
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 3: the nineteen sixty nine Woodstock Festival. Original price twenty four bucks.

1748
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 3: Now probably four thousand pounds does beg the question if

1749
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,719
Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty nine, at the height of the summer

1750
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 3: of in the dodgy year sixty nine, you had four

1751
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 3: tickets to Woodstock, why did you not use those four

1752
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 3: tickets and go to Woodstock? How weird is that that

1753
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 3: you've still got the four tickets? But anyway, and is

1754
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,760
Speaker 3: it worth it? Like, let's be honest about it. Can

1755
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 3: you get four thousand pounds for that?

1756
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 17: Was it worth it?

1757
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 3: Probably not? That's a that's a long time to hold

1758
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 3: onto those tickets for that little payoff. A headlines next,

1759
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 3: and then we're going to talk to that nurse that

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01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 3: got the hip replacement in India. NEWSTALKSB.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMS to the big corporates, The Business Hour

1762
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 1: with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and Mas, Insurance and investments, Grow

1763
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Speaker 1: your wealth, Protect your Future, Youth talks B.

1764
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 3: Hender Brady is a bus and ten minutes time he

1765
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 3: cannot handle them. He's very upset about it and wants

1766
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 3: to discuss it. So let's discuss it with him, because

1767
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 3: I suppose we're actually it's so cold here at the moment,

1768
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:10,720
Speaker 3: We're doing okay here that by the way, the real

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01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 3: summer of Love was nineteen sixty seven. It was not

1770
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty nine. Please acknowledge your minor error. It's important

1771
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 3: to some of us old farts. Thank you yours, Ken. Sorry, Ken,

1772
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:22,799
Speaker 3: I acknowledge my error. And while I'm on the subject,

1773
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 3: and I apologize, and while I'm on the subject of

1774
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 3: acknowledging my errors, I've also I've made a mistake also

1775
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 3: by saying it was the Pam's butter that was eighteen

1776
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 3: dollars and twenty nine cents or whatever. It was actually

1777
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:35,760
Speaker 3: not that was the Pam's butter was underneath. It was

1778
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 3: the one at the top. It was the mainland soft

1779
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 3: spreadable thing in the tub, which goes some way to

1780
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 3: explaining why you were paying eighteen dollars blah blah for it,

1781
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 3: because you know you're not gonna pay that much for

1782
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 3: a PAMs. But if you're going for the semi soft

1783
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 3: spreadable stuff, well, now you're getting a bit bougie, aren't you.

1784
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 3: So maybe we can sort of go, well, you know,

1785
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 3: if you want to pay for something that's a bit

1786
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 3: bougie and spreadable, then it's on you. If you're paying

1787
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 3: eight dollars, and I just think you should. I only

1788
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 3: feel sorry for people who are having to get it

1789
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:06,640
Speaker 3: out of the fridge, sort of cut chunks out of it,

1790
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 3: or even given that it's winter, just take it off

1791
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 3: the shelf and cut chunks out of it. Then I'm

1792
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:12,600
Speaker 3: sorry for you. You going for the flash stuff. I

1793
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 3: don't feel sorry for you. Twenty three away from seven?

1794
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:18,679
Speaker 3: What about this? A Kiwi nurse needed a double hip replacement.

1795
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 3: If she'd got it in New Zealand privately, it would

1796
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 3: have cost her eighty thousand dollars. So instead, what she

1797
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 3: did is she flew to India and it cost her

1798
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 3: twenty thousand dollars plus flights, plus accommodation, and she says

1799
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 3: it was world class. The nurse is Claire Olson, who's.

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Speaker 14: With us now?

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01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 3: I Claire, Hello? Would you recommend it?

1802
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 23: I absolutely would. Why I started my journey in January

1803
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 23: I went to my doctor. I was one hundred and

1804
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 23: twenty two kilos and I could barely walk because I

1805
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 23: needed hit replacements, and he said there was nothing to

1806
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 23: he could do for me, so I had to do

1807
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 23: something traumatic. I ended up going to Tijuana and had

1808
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:04,640
Speaker 23: bariatrics and I really enjoyed the team environment of that,

1809
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 23: and that was part of my plan to get my

1810
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 23: health back then when I got home, I've lost twenty

1811
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 23: five carels and I started shopping around for hip replacements.

1812
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 23: I came up with a with India anyway, Mumbai had

1813
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:26,839
Speaker 23: been there fifteen years ago and they had the robotic

1814
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 23: hip replacement. So I was very keen on that because

1815
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 23: I'd had two knees done and I went through a

1816
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 23: broker up there, and that's how I ended up at

1817
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 23: the hospital and was doctor Khan.

1818
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 3: A broker like as in somebody who organized the whole

1819
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 3: thing for you. Yes, oh fantastic, and so what I mean,

1820
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 3: you know, being a nurse, you know what, God health

1821
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 3: care looks like. This was great healthcare, was it?

1822
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 23: Yes?

1823
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 8: It was?

1824
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 23: And that is why I've had to say, really we

1825
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 23: are a bit of a third world country. The healthcare

1826
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 23: up there was was that they just felt not I

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01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 23: couldn't fault it. I'm a little bit of a person

1828
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:06,560
Speaker 23: that might faults.

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01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 14: But no.

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01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 23: The cleanliness, the friendliness everything was was was just wonderful.

1831
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 23: In fact, we had so many visitors because I had

1832
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:22,879
Speaker 23: a support person with me, we had so many visitors.

1833
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 23: We felt like we should set up champagne and nibbles.

1834
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 23: Oh we had well. George George from the kitchen who

1835
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 23: came up every day to make sure we had a

1836
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 23: choice of food that was suitable for us. Vishner from

1837
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 23: the broker. We had lots of people just popping in.

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01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 23: The nurses were lovely and friendly. Almost everybody who spoke

1839
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 23: spoke English, but we had the physio and the inturniss

1840
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 23: and as they didn't speak English or that, we had

1841
01:26:58,960 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 23: Google translate.

1842
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So what do you think is going wrong

1843
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 3: with our healthcare system at the minute to make it

1844
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 3: so cruddy.

1845
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:11,640
Speaker 23: Well, I've been a nurse for forty years and I

1846
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:15,799
Speaker 23: would just say lack of investment, the leat of investment,

1847
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 23: and then started to slide when they took im Look,

1848
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 23: I'm an old nest. So they started to take training

1849
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:27,879
Speaker 23: out of hospitals and that was the downhill, in my opinion,

1850
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 23: the downhill slide of it all, I don't believe.

1851
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 3: So okay, So this might be the future for people

1852
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 3: with a bit of money is to go overseas and

1853
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 3: get it done properly and and enjoy a nice stay

1854
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 3: in a grand hotel pretty much.

1855
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 1: And I would.

1856
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 23: So we're looking at taking half a dozen people are

1857
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 23: and mentoring them through the process and changing the course

1858
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 23: of their lives.

1859
01:27:55,640 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 3: So are you getting involved now as a business, Yes, yeah, yes,

1860
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 3: well why.

1861
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:04,640
Speaker 23: Not the cost of it and the cost of it

1862
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 23: in comparison, I couldn't come up with eighty thousand stee

1863
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 23: here for New Zealand. I'm sorry, yeah, but I could

1864
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 23: come up with the twenty Sauders.

1865
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 3: Brilliant stuff. Claire, thanks for talking us through it. I

1866
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 3: appreciate and best of luck with your recovery. That's Claire Olson,

1867
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 3: nurse who had hip surgery in India's now setting up

1868
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 3: a business to help you do the same thing if

1869
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 3: you want it. Nineteen Away from seven Ever du for

1870
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 3: c Allen Top twenty shows that have been streamed. I'm

1871
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 3: a fan of TV and Z plus. I'm just going

1872
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 3: to tell you this at the outset of think great

1873
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 3: great content and you don't have to sit through too

1874
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 3: many bad ads for it. You don't have to pay

1875
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:37,880
Speaker 3: anything for it. So I was quite interested when I

1876
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:40,719
Speaker 3: said this. They put out the top twenty stream shows.

1877
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:44,719
Speaker 3: No surprise to anyone. Well no, maybe I'm a little

1878
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 3: bit surprised. Actually number one stream show is the news

1879
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 3: surprised by it? Because I've said this before. I'm the

1880
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 3: only person in this team who watches the evening news?

1881
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 8: Right?

1882
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 3: The rest of them don't watch it. They don't bother anymore.

1883
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 3: They don't get nothing out of it. So I'm surprised

1884
01:28:57,479 --> 01:28:59,639
Speaker 3: that there are that many of us in the country

1885
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:01,600
Speaker 3: still to put it at number one. Who would go

1886
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 3: and watch it after the fact, watch it back. That's

1887
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 3: how much we want to wad it. It doesn't say

1888
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 3: how much you're watching of the news, and come off it.

1889
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 3: You're not watching the whole news. No one needs to

1890
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:11,760
Speaker 3: get to the third break on a Saturday. AA have

1891
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:13,919
Speaker 3: you seen what's on the third break on a Saturday?

1892
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 14: Lord?

1893
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:19,719
Speaker 3: It's like weird stories about like literally cats up trees.

1894
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 3: Not literally, is it. It's not actually literally, but it's

1895
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 3: that kind of quality of thing, and you're just sitting there.

1896
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 3: And in fact, that's often in the first break. What

1897
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 3: am I doing? Anyway? Number one News? It's six Well

1898
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 3: done from Well done You News. Number two, the Substance,

1899
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 3: Number three, the Rookie. Number four, Rogue Heroes. Now that

1900
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 3: is a good show and I highly recommend Rogue Heroes.

1901
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 3: Bit of fun in that Number five Bluey. This is

1902
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 3: TV and z's secret weapon that they I think they

1903
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 3: realize as their secret weapon. But they need to figure

1904
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 3: out how to make us pay for it, right, because

1905
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 3: this is a community service to parents giving us Bluey

1906
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 3: for free. But there you go. Number five Bluey, Number

1907
01:29:57,400 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 3: six New Zealand Cricket, number seven, Day of the Jackal

1908
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 3: Excellent watch number eight Burger Rack or something, I don't

1909
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:04,719
Speaker 3: know what that is, Number nine, Protection number ten, Code

1910
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 3: of Silence at number eleven comes in the infamous Shortland Street,

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01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 3: which is likely going to get the old number twelve

1912
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:15,160
Speaker 3: Travel Guides number three thirteen Love Island All Stars dues

1913
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 3: on surprise that that country Calendar Hyendo Country Calend is

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01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 3: only coming in at number fourteen because back in the

1915
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 3: day that was the business that really everybody sat down

1916
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 3: to watch it, Townese and country folk alike. But now

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01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 3: it's only number fourteen. Number fifteen, Hardacres, number sixteen Off

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01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 3: the Grid with Colin and MNU, then the Crow Girl,

1919
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:34,879
Speaker 3: then at eighteen Lockerby a Search for Truth, which apparently

1920
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 3: is amazing, beause's got Colin Firth in it. Who's a

1921
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 3: bit of hot Babe? Number nineteen, Love Island UK, I mean, honestly, guys,

1922
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 3: Love Island UK. Number twenty dope girls.

1923
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 5: There you go.

1924
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:47,719
Speaker 3: So actually I'm If it was the other way around

1925
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:51,440
Speaker 3: and dope Girls was number one, I'd probably be embarrassed.

1926
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 3: But we are doing well as a country. If number

1927
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 3: one is the News sixteen away from seven, if it's

1928
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 3: to do with it, metas.

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Speaker 1: Les Insurance and investments, Grow your Wealth, Protect your Future,

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Speaker 3: ENVABE fourteen away from seven. Inde Brady are UK correspondents

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Speaker 3: with us Inda, Are you alive? Are you coping with

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Speaker 3: the weather, Heather.

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Speaker 24: I've got the air con on full pelt here in

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Speaker 24: the office in the studio. I feel very content right now.

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Speaker 24: I've just got off the tube. It is going to

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Speaker 24: be a scorcher today, London possibly going to hit thirty

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Speaker 24: four celsius. That is nothing compared to Spain and Portugal.

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Speaker 24: They both had record breaking days yesterday. Hottest day in

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Speaker 24: Spanish history ever forty six celsius in the town of

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Speaker 24: Huelva down by the border with Portugal, and just over

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Speaker 24: the border a village in Portugal recorded forty six celsius

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Speaker 24: as well. So this what they're calling a heat dome

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Speaker 24: is all over mostly France, Spain and Portugal, but wildfires

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Speaker 24: in Turkey, France grid a lot of problems. But I

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Speaker 24: think an awful lot of people will wake up today

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Speaker 24: and think I'm going to work from home. I don't

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Speaker 24: want to be on public transport.

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Speaker 3: No, too right? How long have you got this?

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Speaker 24: With a fall the rest of the week. I think

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Speaker 24: there'll be a dip tomorrow. Certainly in the UK we're

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Speaker 24: dropping nine degrees tomorrow, so that's bearable. But in all honesty,

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Speaker 24: I just couldn't sleep upstairs last night with all the

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Speaker 24: windows open everything. I just ended up taking a pillow

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Speaker 24: and heading down to the sofa in the living room.

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Speaker 24: It was far more bearable downstairs. But we're not used

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Speaker 24: to this kind of heat. We're not built for it,

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Speaker 24: and nobody has aircon at home, so it's kind of Yeah,

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Speaker 24: it's a strange one.

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Speaker 3: And are you going to go to the beach at

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Speaker 3: the weekend?

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Speaker 24: That's possibly the last thing I would do in England

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Speaker 24: because everyone wakes up in this kind of temperatures, everyone

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Speaker 24: wakes up with the same idea and they all head

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Speaker 24: to the same beach as they go to Brighton, they

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Speaker 24: go to Bournemouth, they go to the South End and

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Speaker 24: the traffic. I had a Turkish friend say to me

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Speaker 24: last week, Oh, we're all off to the each tomorrow,

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Speaker 24: and I so well enjoy the cues. And then I

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Speaker 24: saw her Instagram store in the spent two and a

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Speaker 24: half hours trying to find a parking space. No, I think,

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Speaker 24: get get the umbrellas up in the garden and get

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Speaker 24: some cold beers out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah too right, drink your troubles away, now, do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: Kyostama speaking of troubles, is going to be able to

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Speaker 3: get the welfare reforms through Parliament?

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Speaker 24: I think it's going to be really tight for a

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Speaker 24: guy who's Prime Minister on a landslide victory year ago

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Speaker 24: and has a working majority of one hundred and sixty

1981
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Speaker 24: five seats in the House of Commons. It comes to

1982
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Speaker 24: something that he will be calling MPs today, begging, pleading, cajoling,

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Speaker 24: offering anything to get people to vote in line with

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Speaker 24: the government. He wants this reform welfare reform bill over

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Speaker 24: the line tonight. It's touch and go. He's got as

1986
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Speaker 24: many as fifty rebels in his camp and if that

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Speaker 24: number ticks up, he's really going to struggle because obviously

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Speaker 24: the Conservatives, the opposition everyone else they'll vote against it.

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Speaker 24: But it just goes to show you where Starmer is

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Speaker 24: that he can't get his own new installed MPs. It's

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Speaker 24: one year of Starmer this week, by the way, and

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Speaker 24: that's where he's at.

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Speaker 3: So is it possible that part of the problem is

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Speaker 3: that many of these in peace have been their year

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Speaker 3: and never met them in.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, he doesn't do the tea rooms. That's the gossip

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Speaker 24: by here from inside Parliament that you know, Teresa May

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Speaker 24: would make a point of being down there. I'm just

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Speaker 24: picking her, you know, just a random name. She would

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Speaker 24: be in the tea rooms. She would be socializing and

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Speaker 24: chatting and look, to be fair to Starmer, there's a

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Speaker 24: lot going on in the world, as we've been covering

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Speaker 24: the last few months. So his people will say that

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Speaker 24: he has been stitching back relations with Europe, traveling to Ukraine,

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Speaker 24: being in France, going to the United States, making friends

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Speaker 24: with Trump, dealing with Israel and Iran. He can't be

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Speaker 24: having cups of tea with people who are perhaps a

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Speaker 24: bit needy, that's what his people would say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, in the very quickly said died. You see

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Speaker 3: the back of the train, the.

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Speaker 24: Royal train is going to be no more after an

2012
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Speaker 24: a look, it's a cost saving exercise. It made one

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Speaker 24: journey last year and that costs the taxpayer eighty eight

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Speaker 24: thousand dollars. So I think Charles is doing the right thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, probably in to look after yourself and stay cool

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Speaker 3: in this warm weather. That's end of Brady our UK correspondent.

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Speaker 16: Right.

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Speaker 3: I said, I was going to talk about the gin

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Speaker 3: and the business is doing well, so standby, let's do

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Speaker 3: that next ten away from.

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Speaker 1: Seven, it's the Heather Too per Se Alan Drive Full

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Speaker 1: Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk zby Heather.

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Speaker 3: Country Calendar is rating as low as it is because

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Speaker 3: it's the most woke crap now going around. That's from

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Speaker 3: a farmer, Mike, thank you very much. Hither we watch

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Speaker 3: Country Calendar live and nothing else, so that may be

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Speaker 3: part of the farmers are like clockwork, right, So it's

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Speaker 3: not altogether surprising to hear that farmers are watching the

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Speaker 3: old Country Calendar live. Maybe that explains why it's not

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Speaker 3: so streamed. But then but then again, when I was

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Speaker 3: back in the day, when I was working at TV

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Speaker 3: and Z, it was the townies who were holding up

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Speaker 3: the numbers. As well. And they love a stream, aren't

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Speaker 3: they love putting things in in their busy little traffic

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Speaker 3: traffic plagued lives. Anyway, Okay, here we go. Business is

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Speaker 3: doing well. There is a gin from a micro distillery

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Speaker 3: in Thames, Corimandel, that has been named the world's best

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Speaker 3: at the World Gin Awards in London this year. How

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Speaker 3: good is that? It's the coramandl Distilling Company won this

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Speaker 3: award the world's best matured gin. This is for there

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Speaker 3: and I will not pronounce this properly, but the Ewildian

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Speaker 3: Coramandel Manuka gin. It's got sugarcane alcohol with tongue and

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Speaker 3: vanilla guatta, Marlon cardamm, Madagascar pepper, several orange fresh ginger,

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Speaker 3: sixteen additional botanicals. It's distilled in microbatches. It's aged and

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Speaker 3: toasted Manukah wood coated with local medicinal grade Manuka honey.

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Speaker 3: It's a captivating experience, said the judges, Startling with the nose,

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Speaker 3: rich and smoky bacon and abundant juniper on the palet.

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Speaker 3: It revealed how much are you wanting to try this now?

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Speaker 3: It reveals a delightful balance of sweetness in a drive

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Speaker 3: that is complimented by pine flavors and hints of smoked wood.

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Speaker 3: This strong juniper character is well suited to the higher ABV,

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Speaker 3: which is alcohol by volume, making it a robust choice

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Speaker 3: for gin enthusiasts. The Coromandel the Column Coramandal Distilling Company

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Speaker 3: also won a gold medal for another drink gin, the

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Speaker 3: a Wildian Coramandal Dry Gin in the Best Classic Gin

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Speaker 3: category and Rifters of Aratown, which you will know if

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Speaker 3: you know your gin, won the World's Best Navy Gin

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Speaker 3: for its Royal gin. What makes a navy gin, you ask, Well,

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Speaker 3: I don't know a lot about gin. Gin's not actually

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Speaker 3: my go to. Don't know a lot about gin, but

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Speaker 3: I think the navy gin is basically the stuff that

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01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 3: kicks your ass because it's you know, if you're in

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Speaker 3: the Navy, you don't muck around with normal gins. You

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Speaker 3: just go glug glug for the really important ones. So

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Speaker 3: there you go. Well done to those guys, keep on

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Speaker 3: doing well, and long may we continue to make wonderful gin.

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Speaker 3: Everybody else wants to drink ants.

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Speaker 21: Blame it on you by Jason L. Dean to play

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Speaker 21: us out tonight, Jason lde is going to be coming

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Speaker 21: to New Zealand. They're saying it's its first time headlining,

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Speaker 21: so he might have played some shows here before supporting

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Speaker 21: other people, but this is his first time headlining. He's

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Speaker 21: an absolute superstar of the country music world. He's going

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Speaker 21: to be playing next February at Spark Arena in Auckland

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Speaker 21: and the tickets are going on sale later this week.

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Speaker 21: The song is called Blame It On You.

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Speaker 3: To familiar, doesn't it and a kind of like all

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01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 3: country music sounds the same kind of way, do you

2079
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Speaker 3: know what I mean?

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Speaker 21: It's I mean, I'm not a country of music expert

2081
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:38,080
Speaker 21: by the by austrict of the imagination, but it's very

2082
01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:40,840
Speaker 21: much the mainstream pop side of Patry music. This will

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Speaker 21: be charting in Nashville ever.

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Speaker 4: He's a heblets a song.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, when you get that vibe well downe to heaven.

2086
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 3: Because country music is very in vague at elements, So

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Speaker 3: maybe when you pull yourself at GIN you're gonna listen

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01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:54,240
Speaker 3: to country music hither. This Gin is actually the most

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Speaker 3: spectacular gin here. You go, have a lovely evening, see

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Speaker 3: you tomorrow.

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Speaker 14: Why you go?

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Speaker 17: I can play man all.

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01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 13: I wouldn't blame you if you didn't even masking gave

2094
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:13,000
Speaker 13: you a million reasons.

2095
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:14,120
Speaker 5: Because I dote with me.

2096
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Speaker 15: Should have never let you go?

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Speaker 14: You should have never watched it good.

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01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 3: I could play that all the good tide for there.

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Speaker 14: To take the playful way.

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Speaker 7: Tell me good guides instead.

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Speaker 18: Of missing you and miss it all good time.

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Speaker 17: Should have I ever let you go?

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01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:31,840
Speaker 16: You should have never.

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01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 10: Watched you go?

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Speaker 1: I could saying that.

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01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:38,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could drag around the truth.

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Speaker 1: I could say, yeah, I can track it around the truth, but.

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Speaker 3: I can't play that way.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Take for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live

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