1 00:00:06,815 --> 00:00:10,695 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp 2 00:00:10,895 --> 00:00:11,695 Speaker 1: from News Talks. 3 00:00:11,895 --> 00:00:16,735 Speaker 2: Be a bit tricky with my leg, but otherwise fine. 4 00:00:16,815 --> 00:00:17,735 Speaker 3: It doesn't sound good. 5 00:00:18,255 --> 00:00:20,695 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, it's not good. I need to know. 6 00:00:20,975 --> 00:00:24,255 Speaker 2: I'll have to talk to my surgeon. Right, Okay, I 7 00:00:24,295 --> 00:00:27,375 Speaker 2: need another knee. You need just another knee, that's all. 8 00:00:29,215 --> 00:00:33,455 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can imagine. Hey, I've been really interested sort 9 00:00:33,495 --> 00:00:38,015 Speaker 3: of the concern that's out there around these hornets. Right. Obviously, 10 00:00:38,015 --> 00:00:43,615 Speaker 3: we don't want them to establish themselves, and so I 11 00:00:43,615 --> 00:00:47,335 Speaker 3: think primary industries went from four traps to one hundred 12 00:00:47,335 --> 00:00:51,455 Speaker 3: and twenty. But what I'm finding now is people going, look, 13 00:00:51,495 --> 00:00:54,095 Speaker 3: I've got this recipe. You make this trap, and if 14 00:00:54,495 --> 00:00:57,375 Speaker 3: they happen to be floating by, they'll they'll die in 15 00:00:57,455 --> 00:01:01,495 Speaker 3: this port, in this mixture. Is there any science to this. 16 00:01:02,495 --> 00:01:05,575 Speaker 2: Well, to be quite honest, not that I know of, 17 00:01:06,135 --> 00:01:10,855 Speaker 2: butarticular species, right, but that you could see. This is 18 00:01:10,895 --> 00:01:14,375 Speaker 2: where New Zealand is always so clever. They try stuff, yes, 19 00:01:14,935 --> 00:01:17,015 Speaker 2: and they have a go, and I think you shouldn't 20 00:01:17,055 --> 00:01:21,895 Speaker 2: stop trying in that way. Okay, these things do like 21 00:01:21,935 --> 00:01:24,055 Speaker 2: their honey, and they do like other things, you know, 22 00:01:24,295 --> 00:01:26,855 Speaker 2: So you there is a way of trapping them. But 23 00:01:27,375 --> 00:01:30,375 Speaker 2: I think that the data that they might have gone 24 00:01:30,415 --> 00:01:33,735 Speaker 2: on is for a slightly different art it if you 25 00:01:33,855 --> 00:01:35,095 Speaker 2: like species, but. 26 00:01:35,055 --> 00:01:37,135 Speaker 3: You know, have a go Okay, now that's all right 27 00:01:37,135 --> 00:01:39,975 Speaker 3: because I did come home with some beer because one 28 00:01:40,015 --> 00:01:42,775 Speaker 3: of the recipes I saw included beer, and I'm like, okay, well, 29 00:01:42,815 --> 00:01:44,015 Speaker 3: if I'm going to make it, I'll have to go 30 00:01:44,055 --> 00:01:46,735 Speaker 3: and buy beer, which I did, and I've still got 31 00:01:46,735 --> 00:01:52,535 Speaker 3: some rift and all right, so I in all seriousness, 32 00:01:52,575 --> 00:01:55,095 Speaker 3: we want to be able to stop this thing, right, 33 00:01:55,215 --> 00:02:00,695 Speaker 3: So is there a role for the citizen scientists to traps? 34 00:02:00,815 --> 00:02:04,535 Speaker 3: Make a trap? And could it be effective? And there's 35 00:02:04,575 --> 00:02:06,815 Speaker 3: a bit of a question mark about that, but hey, 36 00:02:06,855 --> 00:02:07,935 Speaker 3: look what's the harm? 37 00:02:08,415 --> 00:02:11,735 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And to be quite honest, it is the 38 00:02:11,775 --> 00:02:13,775 Speaker 2: way to go, to be quite honest in some way. 39 00:02:13,895 --> 00:02:14,135 Speaker 3: Okay. 40 00:02:14,655 --> 00:02:16,455 Speaker 2: But on the other hand, the first thing that you 41 00:02:16,495 --> 00:02:18,055 Speaker 2: need to do if you're not one hundred percent sure 42 00:02:18,375 --> 00:02:20,575 Speaker 2: if you see some of that. I always say, if 43 00:02:20,575 --> 00:02:23,535 Speaker 2: you see something that looks like one of those things 44 00:02:24,215 --> 00:02:26,895 Speaker 2: for crying out loud, get MPI on board, because they 45 00:02:27,055 --> 00:02:29,295 Speaker 2: kind of know what to do now they are starting. 46 00:02:29,455 --> 00:02:32,815 Speaker 2: They've got a really I think they've got a technical 47 00:02:32,855 --> 00:02:35,575 Speaker 2: Advisory Group. And I'm sure some of these people are 48 00:02:35,615 --> 00:02:37,535 Speaker 2: pretty good at those sort of things. They know what 49 00:02:37,615 --> 00:02:38,415 Speaker 2: to do roughly a. 50 00:02:38,615 --> 00:02:41,095 Speaker 3: On our behalf. Could I ask you, because you are 51 00:02:41,095 --> 00:02:43,935 Speaker 3: a proper scientist, to do some research and find me 52 00:02:43,975 --> 00:02:49,135 Speaker 3: a recipe for traveling them, because everyone seems to be like, 53 00:02:49,175 --> 00:02:50,935 Speaker 3: we'll get it. You get an old milk bottle, cut 54 00:02:50,975 --> 00:02:54,215 Speaker 3: some holes in the side, pour on this potion and 55 00:02:54,335 --> 00:02:56,535 Speaker 3: if they're around, they'll be attracted to that. They'll land 56 00:02:56,575 --> 00:02:58,575 Speaker 3: in there. And they did, which is awesome. 57 00:02:58,855 --> 00:02:59,695 Speaker 2: So that's one of them. 58 00:02:59,775 --> 00:02:59,975 Speaker 1: Yeah. 59 00:03:00,615 --> 00:03:03,775 Speaker 2: I actually went through that thing about it about a 60 00:03:03,815 --> 00:03:06,175 Speaker 2: week ago before I had before I went away, but 61 00:03:06,695 --> 00:03:08,895 Speaker 2: I haven't got the data with me. I had a 62 00:03:08,935 --> 00:03:10,135 Speaker 2: look at it and. 63 00:03:10,935 --> 00:03:14,255 Speaker 3: Send me the recipe, and if it happens to include beer, 64 00:03:14,335 --> 00:03:16,415 Speaker 3: all the better. But if it doesn't, that's fine. I'll 65 00:03:16,415 --> 00:03:17,255 Speaker 3: go with a new recipe. 66 00:03:17,615 --> 00:03:19,655 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not too sure if beer would be it. 67 00:03:19,735 --> 00:03:23,055 Speaker 2: But if they're going for sweet stuff, the sweeterest stuff 68 00:03:23,135 --> 00:03:25,575 Speaker 2: is probably a much better idea because they can pick 69 00:03:25,655 --> 00:03:27,815 Speaker 2: that up quite well, which is why they love to 70 00:03:27,975 --> 00:03:29,615 Speaker 2: feed on bees. 71 00:03:30,295 --> 00:03:30,455 Speaker 3: Right. 72 00:03:31,135 --> 00:03:34,135 Speaker 2: Ah, that's the thing. Yes, they love eating. 73 00:03:33,855 --> 00:03:35,615 Speaker 3: Bees because bees are sweet. 74 00:03:36,175 --> 00:03:36,895 Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. 75 00:03:37,015 --> 00:03:38,255 Speaker 3: Well, crunchy but sweet. 76 00:03:38,655 --> 00:03:43,455 Speaker 2: See all right. 77 00:03:43,415 --> 00:03:45,015 Speaker 3: Rud's going to send me a riscie when I get 78 00:03:45,015 --> 00:03:46,975 Speaker 3: the recipe, I'll have a crack at this right, let's 79 00:03:47,015 --> 00:03:49,495 Speaker 3: get into it, mate. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eight. 80 00:03:49,495 --> 00:03:52,375 Speaker 3: If you'd like to talk to Ruth, the lines are open. Philip, 81 00:03:52,415 --> 00:03:57,935 Speaker 3: good morning, Good morning boys, greetings. 82 00:03:58,415 --> 00:04:03,855 Speaker 4: Hello doctor Phillips, yep, and no, doctor Rude, not me. Hey. 83 00:04:05,455 --> 00:04:08,895 Speaker 4: I've been given some bearers that are coming out with 84 00:04:09,015 --> 00:04:15,615 Speaker 4: machinery on from Europe. Bear timber bearers, you know, wooden bearers. 85 00:04:16,375 --> 00:04:20,935 Speaker 4: They've brought machinery out from Europe. It's actually Nordic fine, 86 00:04:21,695 --> 00:04:25,695 Speaker 4: oh nice, and they're roughly two hundred by two hundred square. 87 00:04:27,535 --> 00:04:30,775 Speaker 4: We've cut them up for firewood and there are one 88 00:04:30,815 --> 00:04:34,175 Speaker 4: hundred years old. There's a hundred rings on a piece 89 00:04:34,175 --> 00:04:38,495 Speaker 4: at two hundred by two hundred. Whoam so you know 90 00:04:38,575 --> 00:04:41,095 Speaker 4: that's Pete would be interested in that. That's pretty slow growing, 91 00:04:41,095 --> 00:04:45,415 Speaker 4: stuffy with with the dust and that or the chips 92 00:04:45,415 --> 00:04:48,815 Speaker 4: from the cutting them up for firewood. Would it be fumigated, 93 00:04:48,855 --> 00:04:52,095 Speaker 4: that would be fumigated on the way over, or would 94 00:04:52,255 --> 00:04:55,895 Speaker 4: be to be used for compost or molsh. 95 00:04:55,975 --> 00:05:00,335 Speaker 2: I don't know what did the bearers bear. 96 00:05:01,775 --> 00:05:03,575 Speaker 3: Something quite heavy. 97 00:05:03,735 --> 00:05:06,255 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, hit the real heavy stuff. Yeah, big big machine, 98 00:05:06,735 --> 00:05:08,655 Speaker 4: big big factory machinery. 99 00:05:09,215 --> 00:05:12,055 Speaker 2: But that may not have been anything to do with 100 00:05:12,255 --> 00:05:14,055 Speaker 2: having been treated though. 101 00:05:14,895 --> 00:05:17,215 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. But I'm just wondering, like you know, 102 00:05:17,295 --> 00:05:19,735 Speaker 4: you know, stuff that's important, can you often get fumigated? 103 00:05:19,775 --> 00:05:22,415 Speaker 4: And I'm just wondering whether whether you think it may 104 00:05:22,455 --> 00:05:25,815 Speaker 4: have been or not west. 105 00:05:26,495 --> 00:05:30,135 Speaker 2: On arrival? I doubt, I doubt whether that's going to 106 00:05:30,215 --> 00:05:35,495 Speaker 2: be a massive thing, to be quite honesty. So so 107 00:05:35,695 --> 00:05:36,655 Speaker 2: I wouldn't think. 108 00:05:36,495 --> 00:05:39,695 Speaker 4: That a little before putting it in compost or as 109 00:05:39,735 --> 00:05:40,695 Speaker 4: emotional in the garden. 110 00:05:45,135 --> 00:05:48,575 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, what can you do with that? Maybe have 111 00:05:48,655 --> 00:05:52,135 Speaker 2: one of those little bits and and mesh it up 112 00:05:52,175 --> 00:05:54,495 Speaker 2: if you like, and see if anything will grow in it. 113 00:05:54,575 --> 00:05:57,455 Speaker 2: So you do a trial with it, if it is treated. 114 00:05:58,055 --> 00:06:00,775 Speaker 2: If it is treated, you'll find that whatever one you 115 00:06:00,815 --> 00:06:03,375 Speaker 2: put on the if you if you can, you can 116 00:06:03,415 --> 00:06:08,415 Speaker 2: you imagine making it into a compost the type material 117 00:06:08,535 --> 00:06:11,935 Speaker 2: that you can put plants in just a little bit. 118 00:06:13,175 --> 00:06:15,095 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all fresh at the moment. I mean, it's 119 00:06:15,135 --> 00:06:16,455 Speaker 4: just just only been just cut up. 120 00:06:16,975 --> 00:06:19,735 Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like you've got some sawdust and then 121 00:06:19,855 --> 00:06:22,735 Speaker 3: as a result of cutting the beams up firewood. 122 00:06:25,255 --> 00:06:28,055 Speaker 2: Yeah, try it, Try it in one or two things. 123 00:06:28,095 --> 00:06:31,255 Speaker 2: Try it with something like potatoes, tomatoes, whatever, that sort 124 00:06:31,295 --> 00:06:34,135 Speaker 2: of stuff, and you'll know very quickly to be quite 125 00:06:34,175 --> 00:06:34,855 Speaker 2: if you go. 126 00:06:34,855 --> 00:06:37,935 Speaker 3: On, Philip, I'm very familiar with the sort of timber 127 00:06:37,935 --> 00:06:40,735 Speaker 3: that you're talking about, because, as it happens, my dining 128 00:06:40,775 --> 00:06:44,455 Speaker 3: table is made out of exactly that timber from old crates. 129 00:06:45,455 --> 00:06:45,775 Speaker 5: M M. 130 00:06:46,015 --> 00:06:47,455 Speaker 3: Yeah, So there you go. 131 00:06:48,455 --> 00:06:51,215 Speaker 2: I doubt that it's been if it was treated by 132 00:06:51,455 --> 00:06:53,495 Speaker 2: MPI or math or whatever you want to call it, 133 00:06:53,575 --> 00:06:56,775 Speaker 2: or to quarantine people. I don't think it would be 134 00:06:56,975 --> 00:06:58,855 Speaker 2: it will it will only be on the surface. 135 00:06:58,895 --> 00:07:02,335 Speaker 3: If you like, you know what I mean, too concerned. 136 00:07:03,015 --> 00:07:04,295 Speaker 2: No, I won't be too concerned. 137 00:07:06,135 --> 00:07:09,295 Speaker 4: I counted the rings and you just had to do 138 00:07:09,375 --> 00:07:13,815 Speaker 4: five at a time because they're that small. That the 139 00:07:13,855 --> 00:07:19,295 Speaker 4: rings are that small year and I mean, yeah, it's 140 00:07:19,655 --> 00:07:25,255 Speaker 4: it's been kiln dried ye dry, dry chip and and 141 00:07:25,735 --> 00:07:30,535 Speaker 4: burns like no one's going forward. I can't imagine if 142 00:07:30,535 --> 00:07:33,095 Speaker 4: it had been fumigated, it might be something nasty, that 143 00:07:33,255 --> 00:07:33,495 Speaker 4: was all. 144 00:07:34,215 --> 00:07:35,015 Speaker 3: I don't think so. 145 00:07:36,815 --> 00:07:39,215 Speaker 4: For bugs, wouldn't it wouldn't be like doing it in 146 00:07:39,495 --> 00:07:40,455 Speaker 4: a copper dip or anything. 147 00:07:40,455 --> 00:07:43,815 Speaker 3: Its not going to hang around either. I think you'd 148 00:07:43,855 --> 00:07:48,215 Speaker 3: be right, Philip. But seriously, because glass often comes in 149 00:07:48,255 --> 00:07:51,535 Speaker 3: from Europe and these big packing crates as well. And 150 00:07:51,615 --> 00:07:55,295 Speaker 3: so I got some and had the I made it myself. 151 00:07:55,335 --> 00:07:59,495 Speaker 3: Actually the table that's lovely. Quite nice having a dining 152 00:07:59,495 --> 00:08:01,495 Speaker 3: table you made yourself, isn't yes? 153 00:08:01,815 --> 00:08:05,135 Speaker 2: You? When I was working with Kiwi, I got I 154 00:08:05,215 --> 00:08:09,215 Speaker 2: went to you know, off off cuts often by here 155 00:08:10,055 --> 00:08:12,895 Speaker 2: and we in Rogan and I made our whole table 156 00:08:12,895 --> 00:08:16,255 Speaker 2: for because that was our headquarters where we were banding 157 00:08:16,335 --> 00:08:18,775 Speaker 2: Kiwi and looking after them and doing this, that and 158 00:08:18,775 --> 00:08:21,415 Speaker 2: the other thing and measuring them. Yeah, same sort of stuff. 159 00:08:21,415 --> 00:08:22,615 Speaker 2: We had a brilliant table. 160 00:08:22,975 --> 00:08:25,695 Speaker 3: Fantastic right. Oh, the lines are open for you. Oh 161 00:08:25,775 --> 00:08:28,575 Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to Caldrid 162 00:08:29,415 --> 00:08:32,935 Speaker 3: starlings under the hip corner ridge capping. They are nesting 163 00:08:32,975 --> 00:08:35,895 Speaker 3: in the safites. They hop into there via the guttering. 164 00:08:35,975 --> 00:08:37,575 Speaker 3: How can I get the nests out? Do I have 165 00:08:37,615 --> 00:08:40,215 Speaker 3: to wait until the chicks have left the nest remove 166 00:08:40,295 --> 00:08:42,375 Speaker 3: the Safit's Gavin from Canterbury. 167 00:08:42,815 --> 00:08:45,895 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably that's probably a question that you would answer. 168 00:08:46,015 --> 00:08:49,335 Speaker 2: But what I would do is you w There's very 169 00:08:49,375 --> 00:08:51,095 Speaker 2: little you can do at the moment when they have 170 00:08:51,455 --> 00:08:53,775 Speaker 2: when they have young in the nest, because that's going 171 00:08:53,815 --> 00:08:56,535 Speaker 2: to smell if you close off, No, they'll die and 172 00:08:56,615 --> 00:08:59,295 Speaker 2: you gough, you know, so get rid of the young. 173 00:08:59,375 --> 00:09:02,095 Speaker 2: You'll find that that is about three weeks after the 174 00:09:02,175 --> 00:09:04,855 Speaker 2: eggs hatch. Yes, they'll be gone because I've got them 175 00:09:04,855 --> 00:09:07,735 Speaker 2: in my in my hah, I've got them in my 176 00:09:07,815 --> 00:09:13,735 Speaker 2: oil box, same albox. Yeah, I've got yes, I've got 177 00:09:13,975 --> 00:09:17,015 Speaker 2: the railings in an our box. Yeah, and they've just hatched. 178 00:09:17,015 --> 00:09:19,295 Speaker 2: So I'm waiting. I'll band them and then I'm going 179 00:09:19,335 --> 00:09:21,415 Speaker 2: to clean it up and close it up and get 180 00:09:21,415 --> 00:09:25,735 Speaker 2: the owls back, hopefully. But anyway, and that's what I 181 00:09:25,775 --> 00:09:26,135 Speaker 2: would do. 182 00:09:26,295 --> 00:09:28,775 Speaker 3: I would yeah, wait, wait, let. 183 00:09:28,735 --> 00:09:32,255 Speaker 2: It go till it's finished, and then then do the. 184 00:09:32,215 --> 00:09:33,975 Speaker 3: Work because it is one of those things were only 185 00:09:34,055 --> 00:09:38,175 Speaker 3: reminded that birds have roosted inside the building somewhere or 186 00:09:38,175 --> 00:09:40,535 Speaker 3: around the perimeter of the building. When you hear the chirping, 187 00:09:41,015 --> 00:09:42,695 Speaker 3: that's right, And then it's like, oh, that's right. I 188 00:09:42,735 --> 00:09:44,575 Speaker 3: should have got rid of that nest. So yeah, I 189 00:09:44,855 --> 00:09:48,055 Speaker 3: can't bring myself to do it until I've gone and 190 00:09:48,055 --> 00:09:49,615 Speaker 3: then you just set you suffer a reminder to go 191 00:09:49,655 --> 00:09:51,895 Speaker 3: out there and get rid of it. I had exactly 192 00:09:51,975 --> 00:09:55,935 Speaker 3: the same thing evin Veranda bullnose. Veranda drops down into 193 00:09:55,935 --> 00:09:59,575 Speaker 3: the spouting. Birds would hop on the spouting nip underneath 194 00:09:59,575 --> 00:10:02,335 Speaker 3: the little bit of bullnose, hop up over the facier 195 00:10:02,535 --> 00:10:05,695 Speaker 3: into the little safite space, perfect spot for them. Took 196 00:10:05,735 --> 00:10:11,735 Speaker 3: me about two years of battling with them to lay 197 00:10:12,015 --> 00:10:14,495 Speaker 3: some mesh in there in such a way that they 198 00:10:14,535 --> 00:10:17,015 Speaker 3: couldn't move it. I had to end up cable tying 199 00:10:17,055 --> 00:10:19,655 Speaker 3: it to the brackets of the spouting because otherwise the 200 00:10:19,655 --> 00:10:21,975 Speaker 3: birds were so determined to get back to their nest 201 00:10:22,295 --> 00:10:26,095 Speaker 3: that they would lift it aside. They did, eventually, It 202 00:10:26,135 --> 00:10:29,935 Speaker 3: took me like three years. I kid you, not right. 203 00:10:30,415 --> 00:10:32,095 Speaker 3: We could take a break, then we'll talk to Warren. 204 00:10:49,695 --> 00:10:52,055 Speaker 3: I'm just looking at this text quickly before we talk 205 00:10:52,095 --> 00:10:57,535 Speaker 3: to Warren Starling's exclamation mark. Exclamation mark and another one 206 00:10:57,735 --> 00:11:00,175 Speaker 3: just to make sure we understood. Mine are now in 207 00:11:00,215 --> 00:11:03,135 Speaker 3: the ceiling, which is the floor of a two story house. 208 00:11:03,375 --> 00:11:06,855 Speaker 3: Help cry. They are determined, aren't they. 209 00:11:07,175 --> 00:11:11,415 Speaker 2: Yeah, they love that area. Yeah, oh gosh, I know, 210 00:11:11,735 --> 00:11:16,295 Speaker 2: And Julie would add, they're almost as bad as blackbirds. 211 00:11:16,295 --> 00:11:20,575 Speaker 3: This is yes, this one. We have a damned sparrow 212 00:11:20,775 --> 00:11:23,215 Speaker 3: intent on getting back to a previous nest which is 213 00:11:23,255 --> 00:11:25,055 Speaker 3: in the corner of the spouting. I fixed it with 214 00:11:25,095 --> 00:11:29,055 Speaker 3: a two dollars shop softball, just the right size malleable 215 00:11:29,135 --> 00:11:32,295 Speaker 3: and he cannot budget. 216 00:11:32,455 --> 00:11:32,655 Speaker 5: Yeah. 217 00:11:32,815 --> 00:11:37,935 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh that's fabulous. Oh loving those ticks, Warren, Good morning. 218 00:11:38,575 --> 00:11:41,975 Speaker 5: Good morning. Oh well, my problem is not a birdman, 219 00:11:42,015 --> 00:11:45,255 Speaker 5: although I have suffered that in the past. Yes, I've 220 00:11:45,255 --> 00:11:50,175 Speaker 5: got heads swarming outside the house, and I mean, like 221 00:11:50,295 --> 00:11:55,655 Speaker 5: a good maybe you should feed them. The fish thing is, 222 00:11:56,215 --> 00:12:00,055 Speaker 5: what if they want to eat? Try honey? Nah? Don't 223 00:12:00,135 --> 00:12:03,415 Speaker 5: like honey? Oh really? But bacon fit? 224 00:12:03,775 --> 00:12:04,015 Speaker 2: Nah? 225 00:12:04,175 --> 00:12:09,775 Speaker 5: Don't like bacon fit? Well? What else? Well? Peanut butter? 226 00:12:10,015 --> 00:12:10,095 Speaker 2: No? 227 00:12:10,855 --> 00:12:14,295 Speaker 5: I mean what do I offer them? Filled steak, lobster 228 00:12:14,415 --> 00:12:18,895 Speaker 5: and freezoned underglass? What were they going to eat? 229 00:12:20,055 --> 00:12:22,655 Speaker 2: When I was working for the Ministry of Agriculture, this 230 00:12:22,855 --> 00:12:27,015 Speaker 2: was in nineteen eighty something like that, we used to 231 00:12:27,055 --> 00:12:31,535 Speaker 2: make baits for two types of baits for nts, especially 232 00:12:31,535 --> 00:12:34,695 Speaker 2: the ones that came into your house, because generally speaking, 233 00:12:34,735 --> 00:12:38,015 Speaker 2: you have antstead like sweet materials in the hand instead 234 00:12:38,095 --> 00:12:42,615 Speaker 2: like proteins, and there's your protein so for protein, what 235 00:12:42,655 --> 00:12:45,535 Speaker 2: did we do with protein? We used the protein bait. 236 00:12:47,815 --> 00:12:51,055 Speaker 2: I'm just thinking what it was. The the for the 237 00:12:51,095 --> 00:12:53,495 Speaker 2: sweet thing it was, of course. Oh, the protein bait 238 00:12:53,575 --> 00:12:57,775 Speaker 2: was peanut butter or cooking oil. Peanut butter and cooking 239 00:12:57,775 --> 00:13:00,455 Speaker 2: oil together, six hundred and fifty. Here we got six 240 00:13:00,535 --> 00:13:03,855 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty grams of peanut butter, fifty milli liters 241 00:13:03,895 --> 00:13:09,615 Speaker 2: of cooking oil, sixty gram of borax, and sixty grams 242 00:13:09,655 --> 00:13:13,495 Speaker 2: of borec acid. You mix that well until the borax 243 00:13:13,535 --> 00:13:16,495 Speaker 2: and the boric acid are dissolved, and that is what 244 00:13:16,535 --> 00:13:17,975 Speaker 2: they take back to the queen. 245 00:13:19,175 --> 00:13:23,375 Speaker 5: Okay, cooking oil. Yeah, run that through again. 246 00:13:23,495 --> 00:13:26,615 Speaker 2: Peanut Okay, six hundred I've got so, I've got big. 247 00:13:26,615 --> 00:13:28,775 Speaker 2: I've got lots of big lots here for for houses, 248 00:13:28,775 --> 00:13:32,095 Speaker 2: if you like, six and fifty grams of peanut butter, 249 00:13:32,375 --> 00:13:36,855 Speaker 2: six fifty grands, fifty milli liters of. 250 00:13:36,815 --> 00:13:39,495 Speaker 5: Cooking oil fifteen mil. 251 00:13:40,535 --> 00:13:44,975 Speaker 2: Yeah, sixty grams of borax which you can get from 252 00:13:45,015 --> 00:13:49,455 Speaker 2: a chemist, I would say, yes, and sixty grams of 253 00:13:49,855 --> 00:13:56,175 Speaker 2: boric acid b O r C borrec acid. You mix 254 00:13:56,255 --> 00:14:00,335 Speaker 2: that well together and away you go and you put yeah, 255 00:14:00,335 --> 00:14:03,095 Speaker 2: and you put them in various little spots, because every 256 00:14:03,135 --> 00:14:06,335 Speaker 2: ant colony has its own territory, so they don't go 257 00:14:06,455 --> 00:14:09,415 Speaker 2: to somebody else's territory. So you need to have a 258 00:14:09,455 --> 00:14:12,055 Speaker 2: couple of places where you can feed them. 259 00:14:12,495 --> 00:14:17,175 Speaker 5: No, I've so it's quite it's quite obvious where they 260 00:14:17,215 --> 00:14:19,535 Speaker 5: are and where their territories are. I've just got to 261 00:14:19,615 --> 00:14:22,775 Speaker 5: be able to take something. Okay, on the sweet side, 262 00:14:22,775 --> 00:14:26,455 Speaker 5: then I'd take it. They would normally like honey normally. 263 00:14:26,615 --> 00:14:30,695 Speaker 2: No, the sweet bait is six hundred milli liters of water, 264 00:14:32,215 --> 00:14:42,215 Speaker 2: three hundred grams of sugar, sixty grams of honey, and 265 00:14:42,255 --> 00:14:45,735 Speaker 2: then the same sixty grams of borax and sixty grams 266 00:14:45,775 --> 00:14:47,855 Speaker 2: of boric acid that we discussed before. 267 00:14:48,135 --> 00:14:52,455 Speaker 5: Okay, right, and you're running my rioting six hundred miles 268 00:14:52,495 --> 00:14:54,575 Speaker 5: of water. What was the next one? 269 00:14:55,095 --> 00:14:56,815 Speaker 2: Three hundred grams of sugar. 270 00:14:57,375 --> 00:14:59,975 Speaker 5: Three hundred gram. 271 00:14:59,615 --> 00:15:03,815 Speaker 2: Sugar, sixty grams of honey. 272 00:15:04,615 --> 00:15:06,655 Speaker 5: Oh, sixty grams of honey. 273 00:15:06,775 --> 00:15:09,975 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then sixty x sixty boric acid like the 274 00:15:10,015 --> 00:15:10,655 Speaker 2: previous one. 275 00:15:12,175 --> 00:15:12,815 Speaker 5: Yeah. 276 00:15:13,135 --> 00:15:17,215 Speaker 2: Oh well, try it out. This is honestly, this is 277 00:15:17,375 --> 00:15:23,175 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five, four five six. That's when I was 278 00:15:23,215 --> 00:15:25,135 Speaker 2: waiting for the Ministry of Agriculture, it's. 279 00:15:25,055 --> 00:15:26,855 Speaker 3: A tried and trude recipe there, Warren. 280 00:15:27,455 --> 00:15:31,215 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, the thing is, certainly there are lots of 281 00:15:32,015 --> 00:15:38,215 Speaker 5: lots of mixtures of box and resicated for sales. It's 282 00:15:38,375 --> 00:15:41,255 Speaker 5: just getting the other thing to put it in the well, 283 00:15:41,295 --> 00:15:44,455 Speaker 5: come and a little round. So I guess I just 284 00:15:44,575 --> 00:15:47,375 Speaker 5: have to put baits out of bait stations to try 285 00:15:47,415 --> 00:15:50,575 Speaker 5: and see whether they're going to go for the exit. 286 00:15:50,775 --> 00:15:53,775 Speaker 3: Yeah, have a crack at Warren. I hope it works 287 00:15:53,815 --> 00:15:56,335 Speaker 3: out well for you. Gary. Good morning to you. 288 00:15:57,975 --> 00:15:58,655 Speaker 4: It's good morning. 289 00:15:58,655 --> 00:15:59,015 Speaker 5: I've put it. 290 00:15:59,095 --> 00:16:01,335 Speaker 2: Tomato problem, sure, yeah, go on. 291 00:16:02,855 --> 00:16:03,535 Speaker 4: I've got I. 292 00:16:03,575 --> 00:16:06,255 Speaker 6: Live up the dead and taraniki sort of near the man, 293 00:16:06,415 --> 00:16:08,215 Speaker 6: and so I grow them in a glass. Yes, we 294 00:16:08,295 --> 00:16:11,295 Speaker 6: get a bit a bit longer season now. This year 295 00:16:11,335 --> 00:16:14,015 Speaker 6: I replaced all the soil with compost, which I've done 296 00:16:14,015 --> 00:16:17,095 Speaker 6: in the past, and there's no problem there. But the 297 00:16:17,535 --> 00:16:24,295 Speaker 6: tomatoes there a bit probably eighteen four hundred millimeters high, 298 00:16:24,895 --> 00:16:27,775 Speaker 6: and the new growth in them. We was away for 299 00:16:27,775 --> 00:16:29,655 Speaker 6: a few days and I think it got pretty hot, 300 00:16:29,815 --> 00:16:33,535 Speaker 6: but the new growth has cooled up really tightly and 301 00:16:34,295 --> 00:16:36,375 Speaker 6: they don't look very good at all. The old growth 302 00:16:36,455 --> 00:16:39,175 Speaker 6: is good. It's all nice and green and looking healthy, 303 00:16:39,215 --> 00:16:42,095 Speaker 6: but the new growth just just fightened up really tight. 304 00:16:43,575 --> 00:16:47,575 Speaker 2: Gary. The thing that bothered me was you saying that 305 00:16:47,655 --> 00:16:50,575 Speaker 2: you put compost in your tunnel house or in your 306 00:16:50,575 --> 00:16:54,255 Speaker 2: glasshouse or whatever it is. And I think I think 307 00:16:54,375 --> 00:16:57,855 Speaker 2: people need to understand that just compost is maybe not 308 00:16:57,975 --> 00:17:01,815 Speaker 2: the best way to grow things like tomatoes and potatoes 309 00:17:01,815 --> 00:17:04,655 Speaker 2: and all the other beds and pieces. I grow tomatoes 310 00:17:04,695 --> 00:17:09,175 Speaker 2: in my tunnel house and I use only maybe a third, 311 00:17:09,735 --> 00:17:12,855 Speaker 2: maybe a bit more of compost and for the rest 312 00:17:13,295 --> 00:17:15,695 Speaker 2: really good soil, real soil. 313 00:17:16,975 --> 00:17:17,215 Speaker 4: Yeah. 314 00:17:17,895 --> 00:17:19,055 Speaker 2: Does that make sense to you? 315 00:17:20,535 --> 00:17:21,535 Speaker 6: That does make sense. 316 00:17:21,895 --> 00:17:25,095 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that'll give it a much more balanced way 317 00:17:25,135 --> 00:17:26,175 Speaker 2: of growing. 318 00:17:25,935 --> 00:17:26,615 Speaker 3: Up if you like. 319 00:17:27,815 --> 00:17:29,135 Speaker 4: Yeah. 320 00:17:29,215 --> 00:17:31,375 Speaker 2: And then the other thing I do is I've watered 321 00:17:31,375 --> 00:17:34,215 Speaker 2: the plants in my tunnel house with water that is 322 00:17:34,255 --> 00:17:39,135 Speaker 2: mixed with seafood soup. Initially to start off growing that 323 00:17:39,255 --> 00:17:41,895 Speaker 2: is the wet and forget seafood soup. And then when 324 00:17:41,935 --> 00:17:45,375 Speaker 2: the plants are getting started setting fruits, that's when I 325 00:17:45,415 --> 00:17:49,695 Speaker 2: put seaweed tea in it. It contains more potash and 326 00:17:49,775 --> 00:17:56,095 Speaker 2: that helps the tomatoes grow nice and like the dunge, brilliant. 327 00:17:56,095 --> 00:17:59,375 Speaker 3: All the very best, you Garry, you take care, and 328 00:17:59,535 --> 00:18:02,255 Speaker 3: so I reckon, we can do a quick en flies 329 00:18:02,295 --> 00:18:05,055 Speaker 3: on the tomato's very quickly. 330 00:18:05,055 --> 00:18:07,935 Speaker 4: White flies on my plants that are doing well at 331 00:18:07,935 --> 00:18:10,695 Speaker 4: the moment, but that plant is right next to beehives. 332 00:18:10,815 --> 00:18:11,695 Speaker 6: What can I use? 333 00:18:13,415 --> 00:18:18,455 Speaker 2: White fly is easy to control literally with something like 334 00:18:20,535 --> 00:18:25,655 Speaker 2: what is that stuff called name oil? Absolutely, knee oil 335 00:18:25,735 --> 00:18:27,535 Speaker 2: is very good. There's another thing that I was going 336 00:18:27,535 --> 00:18:30,335 Speaker 2: to say, but knee oil would do absolutely, and do 337 00:18:30,415 --> 00:18:34,215 Speaker 2: it maybe every four or five days. That will That 338 00:18:34,335 --> 00:18:36,735 Speaker 2: way you get the young ones when they're not you 339 00:18:36,775 --> 00:18:39,055 Speaker 2: get the eggs coming out. You got them in the 340 00:18:39,095 --> 00:18:42,455 Speaker 2: next one five days later, do another one and another one. 341 00:18:42,535 --> 00:18:44,695 Speaker 2: And if you do the three or four times I reckon, 342 00:18:44,735 --> 00:18:46,455 Speaker 2: you will get out of it. I've done mine. Just 343 00:18:46,495 --> 00:18:47,615 Speaker 2: now that's there. You go. 344 00:18:47,815 --> 00:18:48,375 Speaker 6: Ah. 345 00:18:48,655 --> 00:18:51,255 Speaker 3: And when we say white flies, these things are tiny. 346 00:18:51,455 --> 00:18:54,615 Speaker 3: They're like two to three millimeters dust. 347 00:18:54,935 --> 00:18:57,495 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, white fly, that's. 348 00:18:57,335 --> 00:18:59,535 Speaker 3: What it is. Right, Yes, thank you. That solved the 349 00:18:59,575 --> 00:19:01,535 Speaker 3: mystery for me as well. Thank you. 350 00:19:02,175 --> 00:19:04,175 Speaker 2: On the underside and the top side of the leaf, 351 00:19:04,295 --> 00:19:06,815 Speaker 2: so both sides of the leaf, you know, you give 352 00:19:06,815 --> 00:19:07,215 Speaker 2: it a week. 353 00:19:07,335 --> 00:19:09,935 Speaker 3: Well that's brilliant. Oh that's good to know. Because there 354 00:19:09,975 --> 00:19:12,655 Speaker 3: I was fostering around in the garden and suddenly there's 355 00:19:12,655 --> 00:19:14,815 Speaker 3: this billowing cloud of these little white flies. There's a 356 00:19:14,815 --> 00:19:19,415 Speaker 3: little lime tree. Okay, so nim will yep. Awesome. 357 00:19:19,895 --> 00:19:20,455 Speaker 2: You can do it. 358 00:19:20,895 --> 00:19:22,455 Speaker 3: Even you can do it, even I can do it. 359 00:19:22,495 --> 00:19:24,815 Speaker 3: Now I will wait for your recipe. 360 00:19:25,575 --> 00:19:26,655 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the recipe. 361 00:19:26,775 --> 00:19:29,175 Speaker 3: All right, well we'll do that next week as well. Eh. 362 00:19:29,215 --> 00:19:32,335 Speaker 3: All right, buddy, take care all of us see if folks, 363 00:19:32,615 --> 00:19:34,935 Speaker 3: thanks very much for your company today. It's been an 364 00:19:34,935 --> 00:19:37,455 Speaker 3: absolute pleasure. Next Sunday on the show, it'll be a 365 00:19:37,495 --> 00:19:38,855 Speaker 3: bit of a late start as well, because I think 366 00:19:38,895 --> 00:19:42,575 Speaker 3: there's another All Blacks match test match on, so but 367 00:19:42,615 --> 00:19:44,575 Speaker 3: we'll be here. We'll just wait patiently for the end 368 00:19:44,575 --> 00:19:46,495 Speaker 3: of the rugby and then we'll crack into it. Have 369 00:19:46,575 --> 00:19:50,855 Speaker 3: a great week, look after yourselves, Take care. 370 00:19:53,415 --> 00:19:53,735 Speaker 2: Come it. 371 00:20:26,135 --> 00:20:29,095 Speaker 1: For more from the Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp, listen 372 00:20:29,175 --> 00:20:32,695 Speaker 1: live to NEWSTALKSB on Sunday mornings from six, or follow 373 00:20:32,775 --> 00:20:34,335 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.