1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: early Erediship with our the Supercenter, explore our the successories 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: and servicing more than one news talks. 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: That'd be well, good morning to you and welcome to 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 2: the program coming up over the next hour. It's high 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 2: FU time the half yearly economic financial update. So what 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 2: sort of snapshot can we expect. Brad Olson's joining me 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: in five minutes. There's more complaints than ever about lawyers, 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: So are our lawyers getting worse or are we holding 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: them to better account? We'll have that story in ten. 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: Some notes on Bondai through the show, and just before six, 12 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: how can we do a better job of spoorting the 13 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: bad guys? Donald Demayo will be joining us from Australia. 14 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: We'll have correspondence from right around New Zealand and news 15 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: as it breaks, and you can have your say by 16 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 2: sending me a text. The number is ninety two ninety two. 17 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: Small charge applies. It's seven after five the agenda, so 18 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: it's Tuesday, the sixteenth of December. Australia's Prime Minister says 19 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: the National Cabinet has a read to tougher gun laws 20 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: after Bondai. 21 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 3: By saying that the government is prepared to take whatever 22 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 3: action is necessary. Included in that is the need for 23 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: tougher gun laws. Tougher gun laws including limits on the 24 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 3: number of guns that can be used or licensed by individuals. 25 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, that Bondai Beach locals have been paying respects to 26 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: the victims. Fifteen people died, including a ten year old girl, 27 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 2: and a further forty two people were taken to hospital. 28 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 4: So lucky down here, and I think that the community 29 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 4: is going to recover and I just hope that it 30 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 4: just brings all of Australians together, no matter where they 31 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 4: come from. And you know, we don't need to worry 32 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 4: about what happens overseas. Australia is somewhere that's. 33 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: You know, the best place to live. Meanwhile, to the 34 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: United States that a man hunt has resumed and can 35 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: with a deadly shooting at Brown University, officials say a 36 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: person of interest is in fact going to be released 37 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: from detention. 38 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 5: We know that this is likely to cause fresh anxiety 39 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 5: for our community and we want to reiterate what we 40 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 5: said earlier, which remains true, which is ever since the 41 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 5: initial call, now a day and a half ago. We 42 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 5: have not received any credible or specific threats to the 43 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 5: Providence community. 44 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: And finally, Hollywood director and actor Rob Reiner are meat 45 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: head in all of the family and his wife Michelle 46 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: have been found dead in their Los Angeles home. Rhiner 47 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 2: is known for directing several great films When Harry met 48 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: Sally This is Spinal Tap, The Princess Bride. He also 49 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: started Castle Rock, the company that made Shawshank Redemption. It's 50 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 2: take You to the Scene. 51 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 6: Police say that when they arrived they saw that there 52 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 6: were two bodies in the home, But what they told 53 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 6: us at this press conference is that they were unable 54 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 6: to actually go into the home because they're still waiting 55 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 6: to get a search warrant to go and investigate the 56 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 6: crime scene. So at this press conference, people are wondering, 57 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 6: are you looking for a suspect? Is there a suspect? 58 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 2: Well, news just throw on that police have arrested his 59 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 2: son Nick. He's thirty two years old. He is in 60 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: jail and on a four million dollar bail. It's nine 61 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 2: after five. 62 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with Andrew 63 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 1: Dickens and are the Supercenter explore are these accessories and 64 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: servicing all in one news talks at. 65 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: Me, so I made of mine? Got laid off Monday 66 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: last week, May redundant, thrown on the scrap heap at 67 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: the age of sixty three, at the top of his career, 68 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: his experience and ability. Obviously, his employers must have known that, 69 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: but they needed to cut costs. So cut costs they did. 70 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: But firstly, why did they have to do that a 71 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: few weeks before Christmas? It's the worst Christmas present ever? 72 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: Has it happened to you? It's adding an insult on 73 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: top of injury. Now my mate has to go into 74 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: the festive cs and unsure of his future, and doubly 75 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: so because there'll be no new opportunities cropping up in January. 76 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: As the holiday season stretches on. Some may argue that 77 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: after the disappointment of losing your job, the festive season 78 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: might lift your spirits and remind you that there's more 79 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 2: to life than just your job. But others argue the 80 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 2: Christmas cull we see so often negatively impacts not just 81 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: the ones laid off, but also the employees left standing 82 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: in a hollowed out company. It ruins everyone's holidays and 83 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: motivation and spirits. To me, the Christmas layoffs are evidence 84 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 2: of a company panicking and trying to get on a 85 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: benefooting for the start of the calendar year. But if 86 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 2: they're already that far down the track, it shows a 87 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 2: lack of foresight. It also demonstrates the number of senior 88 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: management who don't really have a clue on how to survive, 89 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: and they then fall back on that simplistic mantra cut 90 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: costs by cutting staff. So there was a fascinating story 91 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: warding all about this in the paper over the weekend, 92 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: and it said the management grabs hold of redundancies and 93 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: restructs to solve problems without realizing their true costs. Redundancy 94 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 2: payments and restructuring costs are big and often take an 95 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: economic year to absorb. In many cases, it leaves the 96 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 2: company in a worse position than they were before the 97 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: cash flow crisis that so often spark these things. It 98 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 2: often perversely leaves them understaff for growth. Cutting staff costs 99 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: often cut revenue opportunities and the company is left no 100 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: better off. So if you are a boss and you're 101 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: about to play the Grinch at Christmas and become that 102 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: detested person who takes away livelihoods, take a beat have 103 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 2: a think and maybe think that maybe it's not the 104 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 2: number of staff you have or what they're paid, but 105 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 2: your lack of ability to make money with the ones 106 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: you've got, and maybe you should be changing that first 107 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: before you break an employee's heart, as it Bestrive up five. 108 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 2: So the Hiphu's coming up today. The government opens their 109 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: books Thursday, we find out the GDP figures. I can 110 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 2: tell you that economists, and there's loads of stories about this, 111 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: are expecting the third quarter to be way better than 112 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: we had hope for. So that might be some good 113 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 2: news on Thursday. What might happen today? Brad Olsen is 114 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 2: joining us. 115 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: Next Views and Views you Trust to start your day. 116 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: It's earlier this ship with Andrew Dickins and r V 117 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: Supercenter explore r VS accessories and servicing. Fallen one News talks. 118 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 7: That'd be well. 119 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: It's fourteen after five. Later today, the government's going to 120 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 2: open their books and let us take a look inside. 121 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: It's called the HYPHO, the half year the Economic and 122 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 2: Fiscal Update. How much money did the government get in 123 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 2: in tax and how are they spending it? It'll give 124 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: us a clearer idea of just how back on track 125 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 2: we are. Brad Olsen is the Inframetric's chief executive and joinsy. 126 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: Now hallo, Brad, good morning. So what do you reckon? 127 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: It's going to be good news or bad news. I mean, 128 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: there's a lot of people talking that the third quarter 129 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: was pretty good. 130 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 8: That's right. We have started to see a number of 131 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 8: I guess economic indicators that have started to show a 132 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 8: tune up, which is important. But of course the Treasury 133 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 8: would have done their forecast based on what we had 134 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 8: up until the second quarter, which was certainly a more 135 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 8: challenging period for the economy. Realistically, the economic recovery that 136 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 8: Treasury had been expecting through the course of twenty twenty 137 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 8: five hasn't been going as quickly as expected, and so 138 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 8: really from the high through today, we're expecting a bit 139 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 8: of a downgrade compared to what they said in the 140 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 8: budget in terms of how quickly the economic momentum is rebuilding. 141 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 8: And of course with that economic recovery taking longer, it 142 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 8: means that the government's not able to raise quite as 143 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 8: much tax revenue it's not seen as much spending or 144 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 8: anything else, but also has often had to incur higher expenses, 145 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 8: you know, higher benefit claims and similar. Long story short, 146 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 8: it probably means that the government has been in a forecast. 147 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 8: Who spend more and earn a little bit less than 148 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 8: we probably thought back at the budget. 149 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,239 Speaker 2: This is the thing, isn't it. The tax, the tax income, 150 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 2: the revenue that is, that's about where we're actually fathing. 151 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: Because you can cut costs and government spending as much 152 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: as you like, but if of course your revenue is 153 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: going down as well, you end out just standing still. 154 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 8: Exactly, and I mean standing still in some senses, would 155 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 8: still be not a bad position. As it is. We know, 156 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 8: and this has of course been a big point of 157 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 8: contention in the last couple of weeks, that we're still 158 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 8: effectively having to borrow to pay for ongoing spending over 159 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 8: the next couple of years. You know, we're in deficit. 160 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 8: The government books are in deficit until the late twenty 161 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 8: twenties on the government's preferred measure there the over gar x, 162 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 8: and of course that means that New Zealand's debt over 163 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 8: time continues to accumulate. Now, the difficulty and the challenge 164 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 8: there is that at the same time, as clearly it 165 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,599 Speaker 8: would be better to be in a surplus, there is 166 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 8: also the difficulty of a lot of decisions that have 167 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 8: been made over the last couple of years that have 168 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 8: to continue to be funded unless you are willing to 169 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 8: take some pretty serious services and similar away from people. 170 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 8: That's sort of where the balancing act is. And so 171 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 8: one of the questions we're trying to work out for 172 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 8: ourselves today looking through the numbers is what does the 173 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 8: government do heading into an election year budget budget twenty 174 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 8: twenty six. You know, sometimes there expectations from some quarters 175 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 8: for more of a spend up, but if the government 176 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 8: books aren't looking quite as slash, there's also a reasonable 177 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 8: expectation that the government might say, look, we were going 178 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 8: to spend X amount of money, but now we're going 179 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 8: to spend less than that to try and keep a 180 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 8: bit more control there. It is a fine balancing act. 181 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 2: It's ethie if you had to bet on Nikola versus 182 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 2: Ruth Hoodwin, I. 183 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 8: Don't like getting into that one. I mean, put it 184 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 8: this way, I'm a lot more interested in the actual 185 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 8: numbers and where they've gone. I mean, one of the 186 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 8: challenges of the last couple of years is given how 187 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 8: high wage inflation previously has been one of the reasons 188 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 8: you've seen an increase in government spending over the last 189 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 8: couple of years is because the single biggest line item, 190 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 8: New Zealand Super, continues to go up. I mean, Andrew, 191 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 8: we still spend more money on New Zealand Super each 192 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 8: and every year than the entire education budget in New Zealand. 193 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 8: Like in ter of making changes, that's probably the biggest discording. 194 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 8: You can make little nips and bucks here and there 195 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 8: when it comes to the budget, but really unless you're 196 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 8: going to hit some of those biggest spending items, and 197 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 8: they're generally in that sort of social area, the likes 198 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 8: of superannuation and summer, you really aren't going to touch 199 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 8: the sides in terms of the big spending challenges. 200 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: Thank you Brad brad Olsen from Informetrics here on New Soalks. 201 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 2: Heb it's eighteen minutes after five. If you want some 202 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: good news after that, I think you do. A guy 203 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: called Harley James of Becker has been talking with Tim 204 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: Murphyett Newsroom about Auckland. Beck is a business involved in 205 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: most of the infrast projects in New Zealand. Anyway, Harley 206 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: reckons that good days are coming for the Queen City. 207 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 2: He says the opening of the rail thing the International 208 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 2: Convention Center. That are going to be major boosts for 209 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: the economy and the region. Becker also likes the new 210 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: resource management framework and the possibility of an Auckland City 211 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: regional deal with government, and he reckons all these things 212 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 2: will increase Auckland's productivity. He reckons projects will be completed faster, 213 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: Aucklanders will get more bang for their bucks in their eyes. 214 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: He's also excited about the four lane motorway to Northland 215 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 2: and building a dry dock up there. He's going great 216 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: guns here, we can Zalkland. We'll go great guns next year. Becker, 217 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: by the way, very interesting company. Four thousand people, seventy 218 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 2: five professional service disciplines, working across thirty countries. They've been 219 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: going for one hundred and five years. Their employee owned 220 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 2: and they actually have a formal mechanism for bringing younger 221 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 2: people into the ownership structure over time. And that may 222 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 2: be so, but what I like is they see good 223 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 2: times coming. It is five twenty. Our lawyers worse because 224 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: complaints are up. That story is next. 225 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on early edition with r the Supercenter explore 226 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: r V successories and servicing all in one news talks it'd. 227 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 2: Be five twenty two. There's been an eleven percent spike 228 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: and complaints to the Law Society about lawyers over the 229 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: past year. Most of the thirteen hundred complaints relate to 230 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 2: legal negligence or incompetence. Eighty percent lead nowhere. So Julianne Kincaid, 231 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 2: is the vice president and of the Law Association, joins me. Now, Hello, Julienne, 232 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: good morning. So is the rise in complaints because of 233 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: a rise in bad lawyers or is this sore loser clients. 234 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 9: I can't say why there's been a rising complaints, but 235 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 9: I would like to think that there would probably be 236 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 9: a variety of reasons there are. There's a wide spectrum 237 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 9: of things that people can complain about. Obviously, it goes 238 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 9: from an extreme end of very bad behavior of misconduct 239 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 9: which we cannot tolerate within the profession, through a lot 240 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 9: of things like bad communications or billing issues, and through 241 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 9: to right through to the other end of the spectrum, 242 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 9: which is a vexatious litigant client, sort of client who 243 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 9: will complain about every court. Yes, yes, it's a broad spectrum. 244 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 4: Yeah. 245 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 2: The Law Society says people are more educated on the 246 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: lord to to check deputy and AI and that leads 247 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 2: to us, so are we more educated or do we 248 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 2: just think. 249 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:08,599 Speaker 9: We are a Look, I think that managing expectations is 250 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 9: always part of a lawyer's job and I can remember 251 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 9: even a long time ago, I'm a criminal lawyer in 252 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 9: England where people would particularly in prison, would talk to 253 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 9: each other and perhaps read up on the law and 254 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 9: then come to us and say, look, I think this, 255 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 9: and we have to have those conversations and we shouldn't 256 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 9: mind that. I actually welcome a client who's engaged in 257 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 9: doing their own research. But of course we are the 258 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 9: experts a little bit like if you go to the 259 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 9: doctor and you're going to look up your symptoms before 260 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 9: you go. When you go to the doctor and say 261 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 9: I think it's this, the doctor will then be able 262 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 9: to tell you because they're trained and have experienced. 263 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: So how do you make sure the lawyer you've got 264 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 2: is the right lawyer for you and a good one? 265 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: I mean, is there a my teacher dot com for lawyers? 266 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 2: Is there some way you can get advice? How do 267 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 2: you choose a lawyer? 268 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 9: I think, personally, and this is just my personal view, 269 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 9: that Doyle's Guide is a good way to start, because 270 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 9: that is one of those databases, which is actually other 271 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 9: lawyers saying who's a good lawyer. I think that's the 272 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 9: closest thing I can think about in that area. Of course, 273 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 9: we all google everybody nowadays you can look up and 274 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 9: see maybe if they've done other cases, what have they 275 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 9: been in the papers? But not all of our work 276 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 9: is published. A lot of what we do is obviously 277 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 9: very confidential, and that's quite right. So asking around is 278 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 9: always the best way. If you know people that have 279 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 9: been through similar experiences, it's always a good web doing. 280 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 2: And Concaid King's Counsel, thank you so much for your 281 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: time today and all your advice. By the way, there 282 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: was a legal conference in New York last week and 283 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: people were going with the rise of AI, does this 284 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 2: mean that lawyers are going to be unable to build 285 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 2: as much? And in fact the conference decern lawyers could 286 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: actually believe it more up to ten thousand dollars an 287 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: hour because we're using AI, their legal advice is going 288 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: to be even better. They say, all right, it is 289 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: our five twenty five Some notes about BONDI. 290 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: Next the early Edition Full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered 291 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: by News Talks at me. 292 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 2: News Talks, b five twenty seven. I was pretty blue yesterday. 293 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 2: Yesterday was a sad, morose day reflecting on what happened 294 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: in Bondai, the Jewish deaths and their horror, and it 295 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: was made worse by this never ending stream of video 296 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 2: coverage from every angle. Never has a massacre been as 297 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 2: documented and then distributed as this. It's the power of 298 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 2: citizens who basically have broadcast studios in their phones. Right now, 299 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: we have video after video spread by the very social 300 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 2: media that Australia banned for the under sixteenes this past week, 301 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: And we saw the victims, the dead and the dying, 302 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: and those being given CPR in their summer shorts, and 303 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: they flip flops ready for a day of family fund 304 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 2: by the sea. They looked like us because they are us, 305 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 2: and the father and the son. They have done remarkable, 306 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: portly fat on the life of comfort Australia has given them, 307 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: and yet they did what they did. The face of 308 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 2: evil is so often banal. Now are you beginning to 309 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: think these days that Winston Peters knew what he was 310 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: talking about when he refused to back a state of 311 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: Palestine earlier in the year. I was one of the 312 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: few who did agree. There is no state. There was 313 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: no governing authority or governance legitimacy. But underneath it all 314 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: there was no indication that the Palestinians wanted peace, and 315 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 2: his concern that her mass was still armed and recognition 316 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 2: could push her mass and their supporters to a more 317 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 2: hardened position. That's what Winston said. So in the wake 318 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: of the killings, there was a Jewish blok that I 319 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: saw on my phone in front of the dead and 320 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 2: the dying, and he let rip. He talked about October 321 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: the seventh, He talked about the harmas atrocity, and then 322 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 2: he railed about Alberanesi and all the other states and 323 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: statesmen who then sent money to Guardza and made virtue 324 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 2: signaling noises about state recognition and Lovererhold, what do we see? 325 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 2: An angry, empowered people, big grudge, still adopting a hardened position. 326 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 2: Benjaminette Nia, who wrote to Alberenzi back in August, He 327 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 2: warned that the moves to recognize the Palestinian state poured 328 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 2: fuel on the anti Semitic fire and embolden those who 329 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: menace Australian Jews and encourages the due hatred which now 330 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 2: stalks you a street now, was Netanyahu wrong? Apparently we 331 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 2: have a peace process. Obviously it's not working. Apparently the 332 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 2: endgame for the end of violence between these two faiths 333 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 2: is a two state solution. But can we really see 334 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: these two people co existing anytime soon? Zibb's Jane Austin's 335 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: birthday today. I'll tell you some facts and figures about that. 336 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 2: I want to talk about gun mows. Go to talk 337 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 2: to a security expert about how we can spot the 338 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: bad guys sooner. It's all still to come here on early. 339 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: Edition The News you Need this morning and the in 340 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: depth analysis earlier thisition with Andrew Dickens and are the 341 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 1: Supercenter explore the He's accessories, hand servicing all in one 342 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: us talk said, be. 343 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: Christmas, that's the best. 344 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 9: Time of the year. 345 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 2: I don't know Dickins, Ryan's doing drive, Heather's doing breakfast. 346 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 2: Happy birthday to Jane Austen. You know Jane Austin, Sense 347 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 2: and sensibility, pride and prejudice. Jane Austen's two hundred and 348 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 2: fifty years old today and still not married. She was 349 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 2: born to say seventeen seventy five in a town called 350 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 2: Steventon in Hampshire. She loved Hampshire. She's buried at Winchester Cathedral. 351 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 2: Now all around the world people are going absolutely crazy 352 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 2: for this two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. There are Regency 353 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 2: balls everywhere, cosplays on steroids. Men are dashing and troubled 354 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: and offered soaking wet. Women are causeted and swooning. Couples 355 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 2: are dancing, daring to touch the re enacting what happened 356 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 2: back in the eighteen hundreds. It's a celebration of romance 357 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 2: and gossip and plans and romantic love versus pragmatic love. 358 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 2: And yet, yeah, the whole irony is that Jane Austen, 359 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 2: the Queen of Romance, never married. She had a boyfriend 360 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 2: or two, she nearly got married. But you know, she 361 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: was absolutely beholden and ruled by her brothers because in 362 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 2: the early eighteen hundreds, that's what happened to women in 363 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: the early eighteen hundreds. People did not know her name. 364 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 2: Her books had the byline written by a lady, because 365 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 2: ladies had no purchase in society in those days. They 366 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 2: had no vote, no money. They were nothing without their man. 367 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 2: So Jane's name was not known and the romance, she wrote, 368 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 2: was fired on by this desperation of ladies and their 369 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 2: parents to find a man, any man who could provide 370 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 2: the money to live. It was a life and death 371 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 2: affair and in no way romantic, and an affair that 372 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: Jane Austen herself was never a part of. She wrote 373 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 2: great romance, but never had a romance herself. Really, So 374 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: the real reason to celebrate to Austin today is not 375 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 2: her writing of love and the politics of love, even 376 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 2: though the writing is fantastic. Rather it's that it's to 377 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,959 Speaker 2: reflect that now things have changed and now women are 378 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: no longer a tattle of man. News dogs'd be now 379 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 2: in the country we go. Kellen Proctor from Otaga. Good 380 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 2: morning to you. 381 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 10: Morning, Andrew. 382 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 2: So tell me about the Tuhura Otago Museum. 383 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 10: Well, the news out of the museum today is that 384 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 10: it's opening up its iconic photography competition to the nations. 385 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 10: So for twenty six years here this competition supported generations 386 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 10: of amateur photographers, only those living in Otago though, but 387 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 10: that's changing. From next year there's going to be a 388 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 10: new pop up category, Wild Rtro, which will be open 389 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 10: to photographers nationwide. Sure to be popular. The Museum says 390 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 10: this responds to years of interest from outside the region. 391 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 10: They say they're still proudly celebrating Otaga photographers, but this 392 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 10: just felt like the right next step. 393 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 2: How's your weather? 394 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 10: Showers thunderstorms Inhale this afternoon, which is becoming common in 395 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 10: our forecast seventeen the high today. 396 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 2: Thank you Chris here, we're from christ Roach. Good morning, 397 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: Good morning. So the christ Rich disability community are putting 398 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 2: on a sitcom. 399 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 11: Yeah, this is fun, just as we have the special 400 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 11: Olympics hosted here in christ Church at the moment, of course, 401 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 11: we've got this new sitcom which is by the Inclusive 402 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 11: Performance Academy. I've created a show called people Like Us, 403 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 11: following a group of friends with disabilities as well as 404 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 11: their support workers. It's modeled on the cast's favorite sitcom Friends. 405 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 11: Director Fiona mackenzie says, with a disability, you do spend 406 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 11: a lot of time as an audience member and there's 407 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 11: not a lot of opportunity to be front and center 408 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 11: and the entertainer. So that's what this is all about. 409 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 9: She says. 410 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 11: It's not a show about disability as such, but the 411 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 11: disability is there throughout and that has never been the 412 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 11: case before. Mackenzie says this show is part fantasy, part 413 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 11: scripted comedy, also a bit of brutal reality, with the 414 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 11: cast finding themselves in circumstances every day that just wouldn't 415 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 11: happen to ordinary people. 416 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: You could write about it, Kenya, and they'll make us laugh. Now, 417 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: what's the weather like? 418 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 11: Mostly cloudy today, We could see some thundery, hail and 419 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 11: showers a bit later tonight. Northwesterly, strong at times and 420 00:21:58,680 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 11: the maximum will be twenty five. 421 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: The gardens will be happy. Next toll from Wellington, Good 422 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 2: morning to you. 423 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 12: Good morning. 424 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 2: So Wellington's getting a new brewery. Not that you needed 425 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 2: much more, No, No, we've. 426 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 12: Had a few closes this year in fact in the 427 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 12: craft beer beers in Wellington. So some positive news to 428 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 12: when twenty twenty five. Not amost a new brewery, but 429 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 12: one expanding from New Plymouth. That's Three Sisters, quite a 430 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 12: highly regarded brewery. It's expanding to Wellington, opening a new 431 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 12: side on Blair Streets off Courtney Place. Investors apparently are 432 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 12: feeling good. They want to expand also in New Plymouth 433 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 12: Shining Peak and that maybe by Shade, the best known 434 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 12: brewery in the city and that already expanded to christ 435 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,959 Speaker 12: Church and Sumner. Recently, the owner of Three Sisters believes 436 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 12: Wellington is well near the bottom economically looking up rather 437 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 12: than still in a period of decline. 438 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 2: So some good news there. 439 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 12: Generally speaking, I wouldn't say the craft beer bubble has 440 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 12: necessarily burst. Garrett's project is still thriving. They took over 441 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 12: the Fortune Favors space this year. Hospital and Z is 442 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 12: feeling good and some good news now with Three Sisters 443 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 12: on the way shortly early next year. 444 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: Good names too. Hey, how's your weather? 445 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 12: A period of rain from mid morning and strong northerlies 446 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 12: nineteen the hay and. 447 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 2: I thank you very much andiew aw come we go 448 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 2: Wendy Petrick morning to morning. So tell me about the 449 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 2: Splaw Festival, which is one of the favorites. It wasn't 450 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: here last year. They have financial difficulties last year that 451 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: took a two year break, but it's back this year. 452 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: So what's the news, Well, yes, this is it. 453 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 13: Explore has announced it'll come to an end next year 454 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 13: after hopes of a government lifeline fell through. So next 455 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 13: year's installment of the annual Boutique of Music and Arts 456 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 13: Festival at Auckland's at Tappa Tappa Kanga Regional Park were 457 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 13: the last due to low ticket sales in recent years. Now, 458 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 13: longtime owner John Minty says they weren't considered for the 459 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 13: government's seventy million dollar Major Events funds. He says he 460 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 13: spent three weeks on the application and thought they had 461 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 13: a good cause. He says it's a bit of a 462 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,239 Speaker 13: worry that funding isn't going towards events that showcase New 463 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 13: Zealand talent. 464 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: So that is the end of the stage and overseas 465 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 2: town I know roycecop coming. They're very good band, and 466 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 2: Nightmares on Wax are a very good band as well. 467 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 2: It's a great thing. Six stages anyway. How's Awkin's weather? 468 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 13: Well, all, it looks like the good weather's coming to 469 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 13: an end, doesn't it rain? From late afternoon briefly heavy, 470 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 13: then clearing tonight northerly strong at times this afternoon changing 471 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 13: to southwesterly. We still have a warm high though, twenty 472 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 13: six degrees. 473 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: Wendy, I thank you. It is now seventeen minutes to six, 474 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 2: So we're about to talk to Donald Toveyo out of 475 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 2: Australia about Bondi and we're about to talk to an 476 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 2: defense expert about spotting the bad guys. The other thing 477 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 2: that happened after BONDI of course immediately it's the playbook 478 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 2: now and to Sinder did it? Howard did it? After 479 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 2: Port Arthur? It's gun control now on guns. The weapons 480 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 2: used by the father and son in Bondai were legally obtained. 481 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 2: They were long guns, hunting guns, not military style semi 482 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: automatic weapons. If they had military style semi automatic weapons, 483 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 2: there would have been significantly more fatalities. So these legal 484 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 2: guns held by i llegal owner. It's a reminder that 485 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 2: guns don't kill people. People kill people. So now Russia, 486 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 2: so now Australia is rushing to strengthen gun laws and 487 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 2: the thrust will be making sure the wrong people don't 488 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 2: have guns full stop. And this, of course will feel 489 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 2: like an affront to decent gun owners. But maybe they 490 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 2: could tell us how you could stop the wrong people 491 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 2: having guns, because all the people who don't have guns 492 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 2: still feel threatened. It is sixteen to. 493 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: Six International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of 494 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: Mind for New Zealand Business. 495 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 2: Fourteen to six DONA tomorrow out of Australia. Good morning 496 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 2: to you, Donna, good morning, condolences to your country for 497 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 2: what happened at BONDI. 498 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 8: Thank you. 499 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 2: Let's talk about the hero Ahmed. Turns out he's not 500 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 2: a fruit shop owner, he's a tobacco retailer. 501 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 8: Yes. 502 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,239 Speaker 14: Well, the hero is the forty three year old who 503 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 14: did move to Australia from Syria a few years back, 504 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 14: and he's a former cop and he wrestled that gun 505 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 14: from the older shooter who we know is dead now, 506 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 14: that fifty year old father. This man was extraordinary in 507 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 14: his actions and we've heard from his parents saying that 508 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 14: he was just thinking of others, not himself when he 509 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 14: did wrestle that gun from the shooter. One million dollars 510 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 14: in fact, the amount is still climbing. More than one 511 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 14: million dollars has already been raised through a GoFundMe for 512 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 14: this hero, who is credited with was believed that he 513 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 14: possibly saved numerous lives through his actions. Extraordinary what he did. 514 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 2: Any more information about the victims. 515 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 14: We know that amongst the victims a ten year old girl, 516 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 14: a French national who was in Australia working as an engineer. 517 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 14: A retired police officer who was pursuing his interest in 518 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 14: photography was there at the at the festivities photographing and 519 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 14: he was killed. A Holocaust survivor two rabbis. In the 520 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 14: aftermath of what happened, there were one hundred and twenty 521 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 14: three paramedics out there trying to help the hurt and injured. 522 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 14: We know that that forty two were injured, fifteen killed, 523 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 14: twenty seven people are still in hospital and six are 524 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 14: fighting for life. We know also that the National Cabinet 525 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 14: met very late yesterday about gun reform and I have 526 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 14: a brief update for you. There there will be a 527 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 14: review of gun licenses and the acceleration of the establishment 528 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 14: of a National Firearms Register, which was already being established 529 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 14: but it was due to be completed by twenty twenty eight. 530 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 14: It's believed that will be brought forward. There will be 531 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 14: a limiting of the number of firearms owned by any 532 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,719 Speaker 14: one individual and a person must be an Australian citizen 533 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 14: to have a firearm license. The PM after Cabinets has 534 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 14: pledged to eradicate an Semitism, hate, violence and terrorism. 535 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 2: And what have What have the Jewish leaders been saying, because, 536 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 2: of course, there is the feeling that anti Semitism rose 537 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 2: for a very long time in Australia and nothing was 538 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 2: done to prevent it. 539 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 14: We have heard from many, many leaders. One Jewish leader 540 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 14: says that this must be a line in the sand 541 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 14: for Australia. Another said they've been screaming for two years 542 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 14: that something like this would happen. So as you can 543 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 14: probably tell, Australia and I know the world is in 544 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 14: shock in regard to what has happened. 545 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 2: Don't thank you so very much, Dona Tomorow out of 546 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 2: Australian news talks here be. It is now eleven to 547 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 2: six z me so, of course questions are being asked 548 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 2: about intelligence failures. After the Bondai Beach attack, police confirmed 549 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 2: that the gunman with the father and the son, Sahid 550 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 2: and Navid Akram and Sahid the dad dead, Navid's in 551 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 2: hospital underguard. The younger man had been on the radar 552 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 2: for years with extremist links and red flags, yet no 553 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 2: charges anywow. Benjamin Ettania, who has been quick to point 554 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 2: the finger. 555 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 15: I sent Prime Minister Albaneze of Australia a letter in 556 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 15: which I gave him warning. Who did nothing to curb 557 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 15: the cancer cells that were growing inside your country. 558 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 3: This is a moment for national unity. This is a 559 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 3: moment for Australians to come together. 560 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 2: That's precisely what we will be doing as Anthony albanize. 561 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 2: And now joining me now is John Battersby. He's from 562 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 2: Massi University Center for Defense and Security Studies. John, good 563 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 2: morning to you. 564 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 7: Good morning. 565 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 2: And that was an intelligence failure, wouldn't it. 566 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 7: I tend to not judge things on intelligence. We call 567 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 7: them intelligence failures until we know exactly what's going on. 568 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 7: The law enforcement and intelligence capabilities in any country are 569 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 7: limited by the resources you put into them, and they 570 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 7: are successful a lot of the time in terms of 571 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 7: detecting things like this, but they just cannot be successful 572 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 7: all of the time. And there have been some very 573 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 7: well resourced intelligence agencies in Europe and the US which 574 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 7: these types of things have got past. So look, let's 575 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 7: just pull back from Intelligence Ralia right now and each 576 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 7: wait and see what the facts revealed. 577 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 2: Is it difficulty that you can't actually detain a bad 578 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 2: guy until a bad guy does something bad? 579 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 7: Well, in most democratic countries, somebody has to commit an 580 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 7: offense before you can arrest them. So different countries have 581 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 7: different setups in terms of the detection of people who 582 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 7: they suspect of plotting terrorist attacks. So if evidence can 583 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 7: be obtained that someone is planning one of these things, 584 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 7: a number of countries can arrest and detain. I think 585 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 7: Australia does have some pretty strong laws with that, and 586 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 7: they have detained people before on suspicion. 587 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 2: How does australia security level compare to ours? 588 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 7: Oh, significantly greater, I've always thought, But it also seems 589 00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 7: to have a significantly bigger problem. I can't so. I think, 590 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 7: going back for several decades now, Australia seems to have 591 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 7: always had a slightly well a significantly elevated risk of 592 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 7: various types of terrorist attacks. You're going back to before 593 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 7: nineteen seventy eight with the Hilton bomb me, So, yeah, look, 594 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 7: there are levels of concern there. They have a much 595 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 7: stronger security aparatus than us. They have the most some 596 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 7: of the most significantly strong gun laws in the world. 597 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah, look they are set up I think appropriately. 598 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 2: All right, John Badisby, I thank you so much for 599 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 2: Massi University. And there's the thing I mean, after this, 600 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 2: we as a country have a lot of thinking to 601 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 2: do about our gun laws and about our security checks. 602 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 2: It is now seven minutes to. 603 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: Six the first Word on the News of the Day 604 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: early edition with Adre Dickins and r V super Center 605 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: explore r V successories and servicing more than one news talks. 606 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 2: That'd be So we've moved on to the gun law thing. 607 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 2: And I said earlier, you know that guns don't kill people. 608 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 2: People kill people. That's the problem with gun laws. Bill 609 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 2: doesn't agree with me. He says guns are exactly what 610 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 2: killed those poor people. Yes, operated by other other less 611 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 2: than human people. But he's Bill says less guns mean 612 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 2: less shootings. And I'm not sure that I don't agree 613 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 2: with that. 614 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 16: Heather, what fewer, fewer guns for God's sake. 615 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's less guns mean less shootings. Just looks better. 616 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 16: No, it doesn't four four four medically correct? 617 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 2: Bill, Okay, but what do you reckon? I see, I 618 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 2: don't agree with that. I mean because Australia has fewer 619 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 2: guns in most other places because of what they did 620 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 2: after poor Arthur. We have fewer guns and many other 621 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 2: places it's people who are doing the killing. They shot 622 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 2: them with legal guns and they were legal owners, so 623 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 2: it's doing the people. I'll tell you the thing about that. Then, 624 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 2: Albanize is now talking about how many guns can someone own? Well, 625 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 2: I can, I can feel all the decent gun owners 626 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 2: saying that as many as we can know. 627 00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 16: Can I point something out to you, to your bat 628 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 16: alban easy that I think you have to factor and 629 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 16: when you consider him, the man is actually not that 630 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 16: good and he doesn't actually have an original thought. And 631 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 16: a lot of his playbook is based on what Justinda 632 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 16: did and has been since the start of his premiership. 633 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 16: So they have just copied a lot of what the 634 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 16: Desindada and administration. This is a straight copy, right. He's 635 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 16: looked at how Jacinda responded to the Mosk attacks. She 636 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 16: responded by tightening up gun laws, and he's doing exactly 637 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 16: the same thing. Board he's failing to understand his guns 638 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 16: is not well. I mean, I think he may understand 639 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 16: that he's failing to address the primary problem. Guns is 640 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 16: not their problem. Guns aren't their problem because they have 641 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 16: already tightened up the laws so significantly. Their problem is 642 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 16: something we don't have in this country, which is race relations. Right, 643 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 16: Their race relations are out the gate, mental bad and 644 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 16: the anti Semitism is terrible. That's actually what he needs 645 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 16: to address if he wants to fix this. 646 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 2: Problem, which is Zachly what Netting? 647 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:48,959 Speaker 7: Who think? 648 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 8: How do you hate? 649 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 2: You feel? I had a terrible day, you say, I 650 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 2: was quite morose because of so many videos. 651 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 16: That I saw of the horror and just on social media, 652 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 16: on social media, so Andrew, So I don't go on 653 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 16: social media. Oh well, and I find that and it's 654 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 16: both deliberate, but it is also a function of my 655 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 16: life because my children are smaller and I don't have time. 656 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: But I find I. 657 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 16: Spend so little time on social media. I have a 658 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 16: much I think better mental health situation than if I 659 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 16: was on it. 660 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 13: So how about that being your fix? 661 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 8: Ah? 662 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 2: All right? Just like have an easy saying about the 663 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 2: social media for the under sixteens. 664 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: I guess right. 665 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 2: Absolutely have a great show, Heather, Thank you so much, 666 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 2: Producer Kenzie oh Ray. 667 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge, listen live 668 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,800 Speaker 1: to News Talks it'd be from five am weekdays, or 669 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.