1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:11,453 Speaker 1: from News Talks. 3 00:00:11,453 --> 00:00:14,973 Speaker 2: A'd be eighteen past nine, and Kevin Milne is with 4 00:00:15,053 --> 00:00:19,093 Speaker 2: us this morning for the penultimate time in twenty twenty five. Kyoto, Kevin, Good. 5 00:00:19,013 --> 00:00:23,213 Speaker 3: Morning, Kyoda Jack. Did you see Jasinder on Graham Norton 6 00:00:23,293 --> 00:00:24,653 Speaker 3: last night? I did? Yeah? 7 00:00:24,733 --> 00:00:27,413 Speaker 2: Yeah? What did you think of her? Of her performance? 8 00:00:27,453 --> 00:00:29,453 Speaker 2: I'm sure it's very good on those sorts of things. 9 00:00:29,613 --> 00:00:31,893 Speaker 3: I thought she was really good. Actually, But did she 10 00:00:32,093 --> 00:00:34,813 Speaker 3: leave the whole world thinking that most New Zealanders can 11 00:00:34,893 --> 00:00:36,653 Speaker 3: ride a horse bareback? 12 00:00:38,493 --> 00:00:41,853 Speaker 2: I did that? Yeah, yeah, hopefully not everyone's expecting man 13 00:00:41,933 --> 00:00:44,773 Speaker 2: of us. What I know about you, Kevin, I'm not 14 00:00:44,773 --> 00:00:47,653 Speaker 2: sure what you've been up to in your spare time. 15 00:00:47,653 --> 00:00:50,093 Speaker 2: Maybe that's one of the many talents that you can 16 00:00:50,333 --> 00:00:50,973 Speaker 2: test her having. 17 00:00:51,653 --> 00:00:55,013 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, she was saying, wasn't she she applied 18 00:00:55,013 --> 00:00:57,853 Speaker 3: for a job when she was young as a as 19 00:00:57,893 --> 00:00:58,333 Speaker 3: a hobbit. 20 00:00:58,573 --> 00:00:58,893 Speaker 2: Yes. 21 00:00:58,933 --> 00:01:02,693 Speaker 3: And they asked her two questions, can you ride bareback? 22 00:01:02,733 --> 00:01:06,533 Speaker 3: And she said, well, yes, I'm in New Zealand. I 23 00:01:06,693 --> 00:01:11,173 Speaker 3: see what No, And then the other question was could 24 00:01:11,213 --> 00:01:16,253 Speaker 3: you joust? Ye stordinate question really, Oh yes, yes, yes, 25 00:01:16,293 --> 00:01:21,693 Speaker 3: I joust every afternoon on Saturday. Yeah, ridiculous every time 26 00:01:21,693 --> 00:01:22,093 Speaker 3: I watch it. 27 00:01:22,133 --> 00:01:25,533 Speaker 2: Though, every time I watch Graham Norton, and obviously, you know, 28 00:01:26,093 --> 00:01:28,933 Speaker 2: doing is a very strong communicator, regardless of what one 29 00:01:28,933 --> 00:01:31,573 Speaker 2: thinks of her politics, He's a very very strong communicator. 30 00:01:33,013 --> 00:01:35,613 Speaker 2: Whenever I watch Graham Norton, I'm just an awe of 31 00:01:35,693 --> 00:01:38,813 Speaker 2: him as a broadcaster. I think he is an incredible 32 00:01:38,853 --> 00:01:43,173 Speaker 2: broadcaster because his amazing talent is that when he has 33 00:01:43,653 --> 00:01:46,373 Speaker 2: people who are really good communicators and really good speakers, 34 00:01:46,893 --> 00:01:50,813 Speaker 2: he lets them run the show. He gives them all 35 00:01:50,853 --> 00:01:53,613 Speaker 2: the space in the world. But the moment that someone 36 00:01:53,733 --> 00:01:55,773 Speaker 2: is a little bit hesitant or a little bit nervous, 37 00:01:55,853 --> 00:01:58,013 Speaker 2: or isn't quite as strong, he leaps in there and 38 00:01:58,093 --> 00:02:00,133 Speaker 2: is able to make jokes and kind of weave together 39 00:02:00,173 --> 00:02:02,813 Speaker 2: different people's stories and experiences. I just think he's I 40 00:02:02,853 --> 00:02:07,733 Speaker 2: think he's like a truly unique generational talent. Yeah. 41 00:02:07,813 --> 00:02:11,413 Speaker 3: Anyway, I was thinking, I was thinking to myself last night, actually, 42 00:02:11,733 --> 00:02:14,773 Speaker 3: how would I cope with being in that group? I mean, 43 00:02:14,813 --> 00:02:19,693 Speaker 3: had some very very strong people, and it'd be quite 44 00:02:19,733 --> 00:02:22,693 Speaker 3: nerve wracking, wouldn't it. Wondering in there. 45 00:02:23,293 --> 00:02:26,293 Speaker 2: I think I suspect that they're they're very well produced, 46 00:02:26,733 --> 00:02:28,893 Speaker 2: so they all know roughly what they're going to say, 47 00:02:28,933 --> 00:02:30,933 Speaker 2: and they all know they kind of they have a 48 00:02:30,973 --> 00:02:33,733 Speaker 2: couple of anecdotes prepared and that sort of thing. You know, 49 00:02:33,773 --> 00:02:35,773 Speaker 2: there's there's a little bit of spontaneou in there, but 50 00:02:35,773 --> 00:02:38,973 Speaker 2: I suspect that there's quite there's a lot of organization 51 00:02:39,053 --> 00:02:41,733 Speaker 2: that goes into making it look so casual and relaxed 52 00:02:41,773 --> 00:02:46,613 Speaker 2: on TV. Anyway, you want to talk today about Christmas messages, Kevin. 53 00:02:47,173 --> 00:02:49,093 Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to thank you for your Christmas card 54 00:02:49,173 --> 00:02:52,493 Speaker 3: earlier in the week. I particularly like getting it for 55 00:02:52,613 --> 00:02:56,933 Speaker 3: three reasons. One because it's the only Christmas card we've 56 00:02:56,933 --> 00:03:04,573 Speaker 3: got this year, not even any real estate agent has 57 00:03:04,613 --> 00:03:08,853 Speaker 3: sent us one. No. Second reason, we got the card 58 00:03:08,933 --> 00:03:11,653 Speaker 3: on Tuesday, so I went out that you must have 59 00:03:11,733 --> 00:03:14,453 Speaker 3: sent it two or three days earlier. That would have 60 00:03:14,493 --> 00:03:17,453 Speaker 3: been when you were in the thick of preparing for 61 00:03:18,173 --> 00:03:25,093 Speaker 3: an astonishingly demanding, research intensive, even physically taxing, one hour 62 00:03:25,133 --> 00:03:30,333 Speaker 3: interview with police former police Commissioner Andrew Costa. That interview 63 00:03:30,453 --> 00:03:32,653 Speaker 3: broke a lot of new ground and led to headlines 64 00:03:32,693 --> 00:03:36,533 Speaker 3: all over the country and somewhere around all that you 65 00:03:36,613 --> 00:03:39,613 Speaker 3: took the time to send Linda and I a Christmas card, 66 00:03:40,533 --> 00:03:44,573 Speaker 3: how chuffed we still are, and by the way, congratulations 67 00:03:44,613 --> 00:03:48,173 Speaker 3: on an interview of the highest quality. The third reason 68 00:03:49,573 --> 00:03:52,693 Speaker 3: I like getting you a Christmas card. It was handwritten, 69 00:03:53,493 --> 00:03:57,653 Speaker 3: specifically written for us, and didn't have the slightest whiff 70 00:03:57,693 --> 00:04:01,653 Speaker 3: of AI about it. I rail at the thought of 71 00:04:01,813 --> 00:04:05,333 Speaker 3: using AI to send someone a personal message. I'm not 72 00:04:05,413 --> 00:04:09,053 Speaker 3: against AI. I use all the time when writing columns 73 00:04:09,773 --> 00:04:13,373 Speaker 3: to find precisely the right word that I need, for example, 74 00:04:13,933 --> 00:04:17,013 Speaker 3: But the thought of allowing AI to convey a Christmas 75 00:04:17,053 --> 00:04:20,893 Speaker 3: west to a friend for me, I find it awful 76 00:04:21,493 --> 00:04:25,613 Speaker 3: fake friendship. I was recently sent an E card inviting 77 00:04:25,653 --> 00:04:29,693 Speaker 3: me to add my Birthday message to a friend. AI 78 00:04:29,973 --> 00:04:34,413 Speaker 3: offered to help me make my message more original, or 79 00:04:34,453 --> 00:04:38,533 Speaker 3: even having them write the entire message for me. You 80 00:04:38,813 --> 00:04:43,413 Speaker 3: are joking? Are you urged listeners never to take AI 81 00:04:43,613 --> 00:04:47,053 Speaker 3: up on such an offer. A simple message from you 82 00:04:47,893 --> 00:04:50,693 Speaker 3: is always going to be far better than a limp 83 00:04:50,853 --> 00:04:53,933 Speaker 3: line or two from AI, which is one of the 84 00:04:54,013 --> 00:04:59,493 Speaker 3: reasons Linda and I so much appreciated your handwritten Christmas card. Jack. 85 00:05:00,093 --> 00:05:02,173 Speaker 2: I think that the most generous thing about your comment 86 00:05:02,253 --> 00:05:04,413 Speaker 2: this morning, Kevin, is that you have neglected to mention 87 00:05:04,493 --> 00:05:07,853 Speaker 2: my handwriting. I'm impressed you could even tell it was 88 00:05:07,893 --> 00:05:12,413 Speaker 2: from me. I just I have appalling handwriting, the handwrinning 89 00:05:12,413 --> 00:05:15,253 Speaker 2: of a sort of a child who's I don't know, 90 00:05:15,453 --> 00:05:18,253 Speaker 2: but yeah, you know, it's just sort of sliding off 91 00:05:18,253 --> 00:05:21,093 Speaker 2: the page. It's it's barely legible to me. I don't 92 00:05:21,173 --> 00:05:22,613 Speaker 2: understand how anyone can read it. 93 00:05:23,213 --> 00:05:25,773 Speaker 3: Yeah. What interested in us is that you still print 94 00:05:26,213 --> 00:05:33,133 Speaker 3: rather than naturally use cursive right, yeah, yeah, exactly is 95 00:05:33,133 --> 00:05:36,173 Speaker 3: that because your cursor writing is totally illegible. 96 00:05:36,213 --> 00:05:38,893 Speaker 2: It's totally illegible, totally eligible. I can I can be 97 00:05:38,933 --> 00:05:41,453 Speaker 2: writing notes on a notepad, it work, and then go 98 00:05:41,493 --> 00:05:43,173 Speaker 2: and look at them half an hour later, and I think, 99 00:05:43,293 --> 00:05:46,533 Speaker 2: ooh that could be. That could be about seven different 100 00:05:46,533 --> 00:05:48,373 Speaker 2: words that one could be. You know, it's a it's 101 00:05:48,453 --> 00:05:49,573 Speaker 2: it's terribly tricky. 102 00:05:49,653 --> 00:05:52,613 Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, well, we didn't care what the writing was, 103 00:05:53,053 --> 00:05:56,453 Speaker 3: what style of writing you adopted. It was getting the 104 00:05:56,533 --> 00:06:00,533 Speaker 3: card and your your warm wishes. We thought it was 105 00:06:00,613 --> 00:06:03,093 Speaker 3: just great. And when I when I thought of that, 106 00:06:03,213 --> 00:06:08,333 Speaker 3: the wheat you've had, I mean phenomenal, that one hour 107 00:06:08,373 --> 00:06:14,533 Speaker 3: interview terrific, And to have somehow another in that time 108 00:06:15,413 --> 00:06:17,773 Speaker 3: thought of us and got a card away to us, 109 00:06:18,253 --> 00:06:21,373 Speaker 3: just very very flattering. 110 00:06:22,213 --> 00:06:25,693 Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm grateful you received it and grateful 111 00:06:25,733 --> 00:06:28,333 Speaker 2: for everything you do for us on Saturday Mornings, Kevin 112 00:06:28,413 --> 00:06:30,493 Speaker 2: and have done for so many years. So I'm pleased 113 00:06:30,493 --> 00:06:32,813 Speaker 2: to hear it. And when it comes to AI, you know, 114 00:06:33,173 --> 00:06:35,493 Speaker 2: I think we all agree with you. There should be 115 00:06:35,533 --> 00:06:38,613 Speaker 2: a there should be a ban on AI Christmas messages 116 00:06:38,693 --> 00:06:42,773 Speaker 2: and AI best man speeches. That's my other one. I 117 00:06:42,813 --> 00:06:45,453 Speaker 2: think like there's the moment you go to one of 118 00:06:45,253 --> 00:06:48,213 Speaker 2: the chat GPTs or GEM and I or anything and 119 00:06:48,253 --> 00:06:50,013 Speaker 2: you say, I'm the best man and I need to 120 00:06:50,053 --> 00:06:53,013 Speaker 2: make a heartfelt speech for my friend. It should immediately 121 00:06:53,093 --> 00:06:56,573 Speaker 2: say Ping Mingming, do not sorry that that is beyond 122 00:06:56,973 --> 00:06:58,693 Speaker 2: the realms of what we can help you with. 123 00:06:58,853 --> 00:07:03,413 Speaker 3: That just moment, and then and then contact the groom. 124 00:07:03,813 --> 00:07:08,733 Speaker 3: Exactly you you're getting this man was going to be good? 125 00:07:10,133 --> 00:07:14,453 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Oh all right, hey, thanks so much, have 126 00:07:14,493 --> 00:07:16,853 Speaker 2: a great weekend. And I'm really placed the card got 127 00:07:16,853 --> 00:07:17,453 Speaker 2: there in the end. 128 00:07:18,013 --> 00:07:21,093 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live 129 00:07:21,213 --> 00:07:24,013 Speaker 1: to News Talks d B from nine am Saturday, or 130 00:07:24,093 --> 00:07:25,933 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.