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Speaker 2: and your business to a higher level. Welcome back to

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Speaker 2: another week. This week it is Test Week. Finally it

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Speaker 2: has arrived. Elligott Smith with me as always Liam Napier

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Speaker 2: from the New Zealand Herald and Liam feels like I've

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Speaker 2: been waiting for this for quite some time and finally

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Speaker 2: we are into Test week.

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Speaker 3: We are great to be here, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: We haven't waited quite as long as Scott robertson sixteen

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Speaker 4: months on since he was officially appointed to succeed Ian Foster.

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Speaker 3: But here we are Test Week. Hint Dunedin.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be fresh, pretty glad there's a roof

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Speaker 4: and can't wait to get stuck into some Tomatrow juice.

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Speaker 2: Oh, for God's sake, m you'll be recited any access

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Speaker 2: that you might have a huge order of that. I

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Speaker 2: guess we'll get the team on Thursday. But let's talk

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Speaker 2: through perhaps the likely twenty three for the All Blacks

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Speaker 2: that we see it perhaps unfolding now. I guess the

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Speaker 2: front row probably picks itself in the form of De Groot, Taylor, Lomax.

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Speaker 2: Any arguments there.

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Speaker 4: No provided everyone's fit and wearing to go and we

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Speaker 4: assume they are.

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Speaker 2: Yep locks Captain Scott.

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Speaker 3: Barrett, yep, he's a lot.

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Speaker 2: He's a lot, Yes he is.

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Speaker 4: And if he's fits, I think Patrick twopolo two has

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Speaker 4: done more than enough to start and his leadership, his experience,

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Speaker 4: the way he played for the Blues this year. But

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Speaker 4: I guess there is a big question mark over his knee,

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Speaker 4: so if he's not fit then to go straight in there.

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Speaker 2: One of the issues probably that is going to cause

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Speaker 2: some headaches or some debate around the selection table. Although

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Speaker 2: Scott Robertson himself is selecting the loose forwards and he

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Speaker 2: has the casting vote over all selections, so maybe discussing

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Speaker 2: with himself as the loose folds, which way do you

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Speaker 2: see this guy? There's any number of combinations they can

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Speaker 2: put out there. I guess the most obvious one is

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Speaker 2: Artie Survey is going to be at the back of

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Speaker 2: the scrum, but blindside and open side flanker certainly seem

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Speaker 2: up for grabs, perhaps open side least so. But there's

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Speaker 2: a bit of a debate around where we go with blindside.

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Speaker 2: Open side should be doled in pupper lead, blindside flanker.

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Speaker 4: Anyone's guess, Yeah, Look, I think if you look back

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Speaker 4: to the World Cup and Shennifrazzel's exit, blindside is a

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Speaker 3: When we talk about the eligibility to.

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Speaker 4: Discussion and Richiemonger and Seennif Frazel are front of that queue.

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Speaker 4: They are guys that by and large are replaceable. Jennifrazel

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Speaker 4: took a long time to find his best form, only

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Speaker 4: really when Jason Rowan came on board, but he became

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Speaker 4: that enforcer in the pack, the domin ball carrier, defender.

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Speaker 4: Everything you want from a blind side and so the

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Speaker 4: massive shoes to feel and we don't know quite where

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Speaker 4: the All Blacks are going to go with it. I

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Speaker 4: suspect their first choice blindside ethan blackheader hasn't played a

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Speaker 4: lot of rugby this year, but you do have other

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Speaker 4: options within that squad. Luke Jacobson Summer Penny Female is

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Speaker 4: probably the most likeful like in terms of his physical nature.

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Speaker 4: I suspect they will probably go ethan blackheader, but I'm

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Speaker 4: not totally convinced on that.

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Speaker 2: What I reckon, I'll probably lenank towards going with Fena

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Speaker 2: potentially like for light replacement with Shannon Frazel. He's that enforcer.

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Speaker 2: He's had a very very good Super Rugby season. The

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Speaker 2: one caveat to that is he's providing the lot cover

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Speaker 2: may end up being on the bench just because of that,

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Speaker 3: I suspect do you really need that if you've got

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Speaker 2: Lock there, No, not necessarily, but I think it's approaps

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Speaker 2: a risk your proposition. That's why I would take Female

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Speaker 2: ifs or play what ifs. But I think that's probably

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Speaker 2: where they may lean. But personally, I think Female deserves

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Speaker 2: hasn't had a lot of game time this year. Potentially

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Speaker 2: long term he is their preferred starting blind side. But

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Speaker 2: I think for this test you've also got a balanced

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Speaker 2: that's where you go Semmerpenny feenw to start.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a compelling argument there.

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Speaker 4: He was the hat man for the Chiefs, wasn't He

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Speaker 4: pushed the boundaries and you know, love to crunch first

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Speaker 4: he's probably they're probably on a par when it comes

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Speaker 4: to line out abilities. Some Apeni has played Locke, So yeah,

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Speaker 4: it and female. Can't see them starting Luke Jacobson straight

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Speaker 4: the midfield specifically that allow could allow England to stack

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Speaker 4: their bench with Fords. Is that going to factor into

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Speaker 4: Do they need to go like for like and match

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Speaker 4: England for their number of Fords that they may stack

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Speaker 2: You play your own game, I think, and we still

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Speaker 2: but I think you play your own game. Scott Robinson

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 4: I think you need to stick to what you want

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Speaker 4: If we move on to the half backs. For me,

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Speaker 4: regard this is his era, as Aaron Smith said on

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Speaker 4: form and shape, well, this is his time for now.

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Speaker 3: It's very intriguing.

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Speaker 4: You could potentially go one of three ways here, TJ.

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Speaker 4: Petina corta orten lay CHRISTI where do you see them

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Speaker 2: I think they'll go with TJ Pedina on the basis

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Speaker 2: sprinkle that in through the team as much as you can,

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Speaker 2: experience would be valuable. You could flip that and go

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Speaker 2: lead out with the experience. Finlay Christie's played a number

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Speaker 2: off the bench later on Cortez Rasima, I think we'll

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Speaker 2: have to wait for his debut. Completely agree though it

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Speaker 2: jersey is number nine jersey, and we almost restart this

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Speaker 2: debate again around the three half backs, not just the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they'll go TJ as well to start,

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Speaker 4: but in my mind, I would go Cortez Rasima on

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Speaker 4: I think Finlay Chrissie. I just I don't see him

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Speaker 3: He's a great defensive presence.

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Speaker 4: He's caught quite good over the ball with turnovers a

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Speaker 4: came back crucial turnovers on his own line. But if

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Speaker 4: Dunedin which caters to that sort of style, Ratima is

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Speaker 2: Let's go to ten.

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Speaker 3: Damien McKenzie had no arguments here.

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Speaker 4: I think Boden Barrett's short of a gallop it's between

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Speaker 4: those two, and because of Will Jordan's absence and the

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Speaker 4: lack of fullbacks in the team and the squads, I

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Speaker 4: think it's reasonably bolted on that it's going to be

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Speaker 4: McKenzie and Bear at the back.

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Speaker 2: Wings was interesting to me. I think they'll probably end

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Speaker 2: I think Martley is fairly locked in on the right wing,

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Speaker 2: and moving Mark Khala across to the left. But I

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Speaker 2: think for this first test they'll sever Reese on the

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Speaker 4: I think you can, like you say, you can make

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Speaker 4: an argument for all of them. They're all in form,

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Speaker 4: all finishing well. Sevu, I guess is potentially short of

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Speaker 2: Played a bit for Sumner and Christch Club Rugby in

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Speaker 3: A bit to proved. Doesn't think he's only started four

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Speaker 4: It's familiar, isn't it In terms of the Richie Muonga

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, And I think the debate won't

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Speaker 3: The path this year, take it to the bank.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The rest of the forwards makeup on the bench

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Speaker 4: Yep, and my takers summer penny fee now as your

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Speaker 2: Half back you were going right, I was going Christy yep.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and Rico, if providing he's starting, could easily shift

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Speaker 2: All right, there's you're twenty three there. It is subjects

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Speaker 3: Put it out.

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Speaker 4: I do, And you know, the big question about that

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Speaker 2: take them. And when you don't, that's when the pressure

434
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Speaker 2: comes on and you make mistakes. So it's not expansive.

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Speaker 2: But we did see the Crusaders, you know, scored a

436
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Speaker 2: lot of tries through strike plays, will Jordan sev Reeks

437
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Speaker 2: a lot of those movements, midfield, Jack Goodhue when he

438
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Speaker 2: was there, they scored through that, and Richie Wonger deff

439
00:22:07,013 --> 00:22:10,693
Speaker 2: moved through the line, soft hair and passing through the line.

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Speaker 2: But that was it was very built on that full platform,

441
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Speaker 2: wasn't it that the Crusaders were able to get And

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Speaker 2: once they were into the twenty two that backed themselves

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Speaker 2: to school. Whether it was a line out drive or

444
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Speaker 2: whether it was a set move or just pressure, pressure, pressure,

445
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Speaker 2: they converted more often than not. And that, yeah, it's

446
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Speaker 2: not a throw the ball around team. Mean, I wouldn't

447
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Speaker 2: expect that to see that in the All Blacks.

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Speaker 4: When the pressure was really on the Crusaders, they went

449
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Speaker 4: back to their line out more. They're scrum they'd scrum

450
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Speaker 4: for penalties, they'd kick for territory. It's that squeeze game

451
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Speaker 4: that you talk about and I think people think perceive

452
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Speaker 4: that because you had this magic, dynamic playmaker and Richie Muwanga,

453
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Speaker 4: that they have this perception that the Crusaders were very expensive,

454
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Speaker 4: when that was the truth is actually the total opposite.

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Speaker 2: I think that's similar to what we'll see certainly starting

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Speaker 2: this weekend is the All Black season gets underway.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what I'm intrigued to see is what specials do

458
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Speaker 4: they come up with the line out at the set piece,

459
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Speaker 4: because you've got Robertson's going to have a focus on those.

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Speaker 4: You've got Jason Holland there who had some pretty tasty

461
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Speaker 4: strike moves with the Hurricanes. They were the best attacking

462
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Speaker 4: team in Super rugby for a number of years, so

463
00:23:26,013 --> 00:23:30,093
Speaker 4: these guys have very specialist areas. And then on defense

464
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Speaker 4: with Scott Hansen, they should be very hard to break down.

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Speaker 3: So they've got all bases covered.

466
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Speaker 4: But it's going to be very interesting to see from

467
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Speaker 4: my perspective where those little trick plays come.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, can't wait Saturday night, seven o five Love on

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Speaker 2: Bar Stadium, indonned Let's take quick break, come back with

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Speaker 2: more after this on Rugby Direct.

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Speaker 1: This is Rugby Direct, a podcast for real rugby fans.

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Speaker 5: Rugby Direct, Coward Badies Talks.

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Speaker 2: Be You're back with Rugby Direct. Time now for our

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Speaker 2: final four. A social mentioned Steve Bull with England coach

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Speaker 2: to come as well. Liam, you caught up with them

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Speaker 2: last week, but into our final four. How many tests

478
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Speaker 2: will the All Blacks win in this first year under

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Speaker 2: Scott Robertson. They're playing fourteen? How many do they get?

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Speaker 3: Twelve?

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Speaker 4: I think they definitely lose two, possibly three, two tests

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Speaker 4: in South Africa. I think if you come away from

483
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Speaker 4: that we're one on one. That's satisfactory. And then you

484
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Speaker 4: go on the end of your tour and you've got

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Speaker 4: Island away, France away, England away. That's a bloody tough stretch.

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Speaker 4: I would expect them to sweep England at home based

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Speaker 4: on history, and you shouldn't be losing to the Wallabies

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Speaker 4: in the current climate. No, So I think twelve is

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Speaker 4: about what do you reckon? I reckon they take eleven? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: the Sabrigan two looms large if they split, that's you said,

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Speaker 4: a good result int of your tour is very very tricky.

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Speaker 4: We've got Argentina at home for two tests, and the

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Speaker 4: rugby champion ship of Fiji and San Diego. But yet

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Speaker 4: those tests, that three week block in the end of

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Speaker 4: the year tour England then Ireland then France is very

496
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Speaker 4: very tough to back up each week is very very difficult.

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Speaker 4: So that's going to be a tricky test. Let me

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Speaker 4: put this to you before we move on. Sure the

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Speaker 4: odds are out for the first Test. The All Blacks

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Speaker 4: are a dollar fifteen, England five dollars and the point

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Speaker 4: spread is dropped slightly to thirteen and a half.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that's accurate.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised England at five dollars to win this first

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Speaker 2: Test match. Now probably similar to you. I think the

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Speaker 2: All Blacks will get up for both of these two tests.

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Speaker 2: But England's had a game under their belt. They've had

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Speaker 2: six nations earlier in the year, they know their game plan.

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Speaker 2: The All Blacks have had ten days to do so.

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Speaker 2: So quite surprised that England is so far out for

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Speaker 2: this opening test of the year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I expected it to be a bit closer.

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Speaker 4: I guess there's there's a lot of history here. England

513
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Speaker 4: have lost seven consecutive in New Zealand since two thousand

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Speaker 4: and three, their last last factory here, So and there's

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Speaker 4: context in that Northern teams traditionally struggle at this time

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Speaker 4: of year coming south.

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Speaker 2: It's been a long season, World Cup and various other things.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, and that's been the case throughout history.

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Speaker 4: The French sen second string teams, you know, the English

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Speaker 4: last summer out here they were swept three nil. So

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Speaker 4: it is a massive weight of history. The other thing

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Speaker 4: to that is they haven't actually played that much I

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Speaker 4: think maybe three times since twenty fourteen, so there's been

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Speaker 4: a real dearth of competition between these nations. So that's

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Speaker 4: probably why there's also so much anticipation for it.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, question number two. The Mold All Blacks claimed a

527
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Speaker 2: solid win over a Japan fifteen or selection. What's it

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Speaker 2: out to you, I'm going to get first lit one.

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Speaker 2: Cameron saw For had an absolutely storming game for the

530
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Speaker 2: MOULDI All Blacks everything he's been through this year, but

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Speaker 2: he was whole bag of tricks on the weekend. Both

532
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Speaker 2: sides of the ball showed as attacking skills, lovely pass

533
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Speaker 2: to lay on much of the tries. Now we talked

534
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Speaker 2: a bit earlier about that lock line side covert. He's

535
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Speaker 2: a player that can do both and if he can

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Speaker 2: remain not word fully healthy, get some more game time

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Speaker 2: under his belt. For Shimi still with North Harbor, he's

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Speaker 2: a player that I could potentially see him being an

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Speaker 2: All Black either this year or next, just if he

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Speaker 2: can get some more consistent game time under his belt,

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Speaker 2: because I think he's got that bag of tricks and

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Speaker 2: the ability to do it. And we saw that come

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Speaker 2: on the weekend, so he stood out for me in

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Speaker 2: that game.

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Speaker 3: He's got a big future, doesn't it.

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Speaker 4: And prior to his cancer, he was very front and

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Speaker 4: center in my mind for that prototype of what you

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Speaker 4: want for a six and you look ahead to next

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Speaker 4: year for the Blues with a kid Iwana moving on

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Speaker 4: that position, looks like that has to step into for

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Speaker 4: me for the multi All Blacks. We talked about last

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Speaker 4: week one of the voids and the All Blacks being

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Speaker 4: a powerful number twelve, and one guy I don't think

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Speaker 4: we did mention was Quinte Pie and he's the obvious

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Speaker 4: guy and he really stood up for me and the

556
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Speaker 4: way he carried the ball, his work over the ball

557
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Speaker 4: at the breakdown, and I was very surprised he didn't

558
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Speaker 4: start the back end of the year for the Chiefs.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't really work that out, but he is a

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Speaker 4: guy that's in that mold of that big physical twelve

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Speaker 4: that the All Blacks will be looking at.

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Speaker 2: He's quite bizarre. He sort of faded out of that Chiefs.

563
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Speaker 2: He was on the bench, moved out of there. They

564
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Speaker 2: preferred Daniel Rohna in midfield for it for a period

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Speaker 2: of time, who made some appearance in the wing. It

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Speaker 2: just yeah, hopefully and can get some game time and

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Speaker 2: respellt for what I'd do and perhaps push for that

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Speaker 2: end of your tour or injury cover double barreled three

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Speaker 2: and four. First part of this topic three. What other

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Speaker 2: series is the most intriguing for the July window? And

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Speaker 2: Topic four picked the series scores from. Let's say that

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Speaker 2: the three Sansar Nations playing the three up up north.

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Speaker 4: What's got to be the box and the Irish, doesn't it.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of a lot of history there, but

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Speaker 4: a bit of banter. But a spikee and two of

576
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Speaker 4: the best teams in the world going here to heads

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Speaker 4: Russy you know, already firing up on Twitter and painting

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Speaker 4: the scene for for Loftus the Irish armissing jameson Gibson Park.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a big out for them. But I

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Speaker 4: think the box take that series two to one too serious.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to say two nil.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually slightly more intrigued by Australia Wales just for

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Speaker 2: the fact that I'm intrigued to see how Joe Schmidt

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Speaker 2: goes at the helm of the Wallabies, and you know what,

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Speaker 2: I think that's spot that series one.

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Speaker 6: All.

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Speaker 4: I haven't had a lot of time have they. Joe

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Speaker 4: smit and Mike cron Well, they probably gonna play the

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00:30:00,213 --> 00:30:02,933
Speaker 4: first Test anyway. No, personally, I don't know how much

590
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Speaker 4: of a massive loss that is. He beels a guy

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Speaker 4: that's come out for the Western four. He's an experienced

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Speaker 4: Head's nice to have, but I think it's time to

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Speaker 4: move on. To a degree, Wales are at a really

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Speaker 4: low ebb.

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Speaker 3: They were.

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Speaker 4: You know, Gatland's starting another rebuild which gives them a

597
00:30:24,173 --> 00:30:26,653
Speaker 4: bit of a buffer to a degree. But yeah, it

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Speaker 4: is a very intriguing series. Two teams that need to move,

599
00:30:30,733 --> 00:30:33,173
Speaker 4: need to rise. I'm going to tip the Wallabies to

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Speaker 4: win that too, nil.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to pick one all for that and I'm

602
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Speaker 2: going to go one all in the other one a

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Speaker 2: lot of drawers. And for England New zeal we picked

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Speaker 2: it to nil to New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 4: I think England could be better in the second test

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Speaker 4: than the first. I think the all Blacks will come

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Speaker 4: out of the blocks reasonably well and then might be

609
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Speaker 4: a little bit beat up for the second.

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Speaker 2: All right, that'll do us for a Rugby Direct. But

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Speaker 2: first before we go. You caught up with England rugby

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Speaker 2: coach Steve Borthwick the other day around Auckland as they

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Speaker 2: built into this first test. Good to have him on

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Speaker 2: the pod and she hears some of his thoughts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, nice thing English to go out and link lend

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Speaker 4: a hand at Michael Jones' food bank and Evan Dale

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Speaker 4: and have the chance to catch up with Steve. So

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Speaker 4: great to have England here and can't wait for that

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Speaker 4: first test.

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Speaker 2: Bring it on. Here's Steve Borthwick on Rugby Direct.

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Speaker 4: Steve both work. Thanks for making some time. Start with

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Speaker 4: a bit of history. I guess this teen years since

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Speaker 4: since England we're in New Zealand.

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Speaker 6: Is it a change? I guess that's been that long.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it does feel like having so that

626
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Speaker 7: we've got a number of players who are on the

627
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Speaker 7: twenty seventeen British and Irish lanes to to New Zealand

628
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Speaker 7: an incredible experience now, and they've certainly been sharing their

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Speaker 7: experiences with the younger members of the squad. We've got

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Speaker 7: a young squad that's developing and transitioning since the.

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Speaker 5: End of the Rubbery World Cup, and you're supported by.

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Speaker 7: Having this group of experienced players that are really leading

633
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Speaker 7: in guiding and mentor in the younger players.

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Speaker 4: Take you back a bit further to two thousand and three.

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Speaker 4: That's the last timing on one here and you're on

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Speaker 4: the bench for that game one point victory, hanging down

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Speaker 4: to thirteen minute at one point. What are your sort

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Speaker 4: of recollections of that game.

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Speaker 7: I remember the closest game, the tightness of the game,

640
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Speaker 7: the fine margins, the attritional nature of it. And I

641
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Speaker 7: think that's the way New Zealand. New Zealand always have

642
00:32:39,053 --> 00:32:44,453
Speaker 7: this strong he was skillful, speed power, and certainly to

643
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Speaker 7: be successful you've got to have a team that's really

644
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Speaker 7: very fit, tactically, really smart and mentally very strong. And

645
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Speaker 7: over that period of time that Clive built that team

646
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Speaker 7: over that number of years.

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Speaker 5: They were those things.

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Speaker 7: They were physical, film, they were tactically, very smart, mentally restaurant,

649
00:33:02,693 --> 00:33:04,973
Speaker 7: and you need to be those things against playing against New.

650
00:33:04,973 --> 00:33:10,573
Speaker 4: Zealand twenty one years since that victory as it's something

651
00:33:10,613 --> 00:33:13,653
Speaker 4: you put on the wall and drawn and talk to

652
00:33:13,653 --> 00:33:16,493
Speaker 4: the players about your experience and the spy towards.

653
00:33:16,493 --> 00:33:19,213
Speaker 7: I guess I think we're very focused on the future

654
00:33:19,293 --> 00:33:20,773
Speaker 7: where we want to go as a team.

655
00:33:20,973 --> 00:33:22,813
Speaker 5: We're aware of the history.

656
00:33:22,813 --> 00:33:26,413
Speaker 7: I think you know that's but we're also really looking

657
00:33:26,453 --> 00:33:29,413
Speaker 7: about where we want to develop as a team. We

658
00:33:29,533 --> 00:33:33,853
Speaker 7: know coming to play New Zealand in New Zealand it

659
00:33:33,933 --> 00:33:37,693
Speaker 7: is probably the ultimate challenge this team. It's New Zealand team,

660
00:33:38,053 --> 00:33:41,453
Speaker 7: so it's such a strong team. Every New Zealand team

661
00:33:41,453 --> 00:33:44,813
Speaker 7: is so strong, so we know it's an InCred challenge.

662
00:33:45,213 --> 00:33:48,413
Speaker 7: This young squad we've got, they get excited by challenges

663
00:33:48,453 --> 00:33:52,133
Speaker 7: and they want to go and play against the best.

664
00:33:52,373 --> 00:33:55,053
Speaker 7: And I think when you look at this New Zealand squad,

665
00:33:55,573 --> 00:33:58,693
Speaker 7: that New Zealand coaching team, you see the talent they

666
00:33:58,733 --> 00:34:00,973
Speaker 7: have and so it's going to be a great challenge

667
00:34:00,973 --> 00:34:02,053
Speaker 7: for us and we'll looking forward to.

668
00:34:02,053 --> 00:34:05,973
Speaker 4: It we're come forward to more recent history and a

669
00:34:06,013 --> 00:34:08,973
Speaker 4: lot of the squad. It's actually hits against your blecks

670
00:34:09,133 --> 00:34:13,533
Speaker 4: when you go back to twenty nineteen World Cup and

671
00:34:14,133 --> 00:34:16,933
Speaker 4: there was a draw, a twicking in twenty twenty two

672
00:34:17,133 --> 00:34:18,493
Speaker 4: in the line series as well.

673
00:34:18,933 --> 00:34:24,933
Speaker 6: Does it help having that success, I think the less.

674
00:34:25,133 --> 00:34:27,813
Speaker 7: We've got a group of senior players lived by our

675
00:34:27,813 --> 00:34:31,133
Speaker 7: captain Jeremy George, who we certainly used to talk about

676
00:34:31,133 --> 00:34:34,453
Speaker 7: the experiences, but that they have had in the Test

677
00:34:34,493 --> 00:34:38,373
Speaker 7: arena and passed those experiences onto the younger players. Were

678
00:34:38,413 --> 00:34:43,973
Speaker 7: rules clear as this is a new New Zealand. It's

679
00:34:44,013 --> 00:34:46,133
Speaker 7: been a change to the new Zealand coaching team. They

680
00:34:46,173 --> 00:34:51,053
Speaker 7: are a completely new coaching team, a new captains, this

681
00:34:51,093 --> 00:34:53,373
Speaker 7: is a this is a this is a different challenge

682
00:34:53,773 --> 00:34:56,733
Speaker 7: and we are a different team now as well. So

683
00:34:57,133 --> 00:34:59,933
Speaker 7: I think that bodes for a really exciting first Test

684
00:35:00,013 --> 00:35:00,733
Speaker 7: down in Duneda.

685
00:35:00,813 --> 00:35:06,173
Speaker 4: Exciting when you talk about that evolution like this, from

686
00:35:06,213 --> 00:35:09,093
Speaker 4: what I can gather, it's happened quite recent le from

687
00:35:09,213 --> 00:35:12,173
Speaker 4: and post the loss to Scotland and the Six Nations.

688
00:35:12,213 --> 00:35:13,733
Speaker 6: It was a definitive change and.

689
00:35:13,973 --> 00:35:17,853
Speaker 4: The approached the style and it seems to have been

690
00:35:17,853 --> 00:35:20,613
Speaker 4: a shift since then, does it feeling accurate?

691
00:35:21,173 --> 00:35:21,653
Speaker 5: I think the.

692
00:35:23,253 --> 00:35:26,333
Speaker 7: Start of Six Nations was a new squad for us,

693
00:35:26,373 --> 00:35:28,493
Speaker 7: and in our first game we had five new Caps

694
00:35:29,253 --> 00:35:32,653
Speaker 7: in that first game. It takes time to bring a

695
00:35:32,733 --> 00:35:35,373
Speaker 7: team together, It takes time to bed players in, it

696
00:35:35,373 --> 00:35:37,453
Speaker 7: takes time to get people used to how we want

697
00:35:37,533 --> 00:35:37,853
Speaker 7: to play.

698
00:35:38,173 --> 00:35:40,613
Speaker 5: So we were very clear that we felt.

699
00:35:40,293 --> 00:35:43,933
Speaker 7: That the World Cup we'd built some foundations and in

700
00:35:43,973 --> 00:35:46,293
Speaker 7: a pretty short space of time we're the coaching team.

701
00:35:46,653 --> 00:35:47,693
Speaker 5: The coaching team came.

702
00:35:47,573 --> 00:35:50,533
Speaker 7: Together at the start of the World Cup training camp,

703
00:35:51,133 --> 00:35:54,973
Speaker 7: and then we added Felix Jones as a coach at

704
00:35:54,973 --> 00:35:56,173
Speaker 7: the start of the Six Nations.

705
00:35:56,253 --> 00:35:58,293
Speaker 5: This is smilar to evolving and growing.

706
00:35:58,693 --> 00:36:02,013
Speaker 7: It takes time to understand all the systems. So through

707
00:36:02,013 --> 00:36:06,813
Speaker 7: the Six Nations that was us developing it and we

708
00:36:06,933 --> 00:36:11,693
Speaker 7: gradually saw improved which was important. And then the teams

709
00:36:11,733 --> 00:36:14,253
Speaker 7: come back together for that test against Japan just about

710
00:36:15,013 --> 00:36:18,133
Speaker 7: ten days ago. We came back together properly and we're

711
00:36:18,373 --> 00:36:21,413
Speaker 7: again put things together pretty quickly too ready to play.

712
00:36:21,253 --> 00:36:23,573
Speaker 5: Instruman and now we're looking forward to being here in

713
00:36:23,573 --> 00:36:24,013
Speaker 5: New Zealand.

714
00:36:24,733 --> 00:36:28,893
Speaker 4: Stylistically, there has been a shift from I guess traditional

715
00:36:30,133 --> 00:36:34,853
Speaker 4: maybe conservatism to teching minded and you get a couple

716
00:36:34,933 --> 00:36:38,573
Speaker 4: of twenty one year old prospects in the Chanler and.

717
00:36:39,693 --> 00:36:42,453
Speaker 7: Banny failed though, So yeah, we have some guys that

718
00:36:42,613 --> 00:36:44,813
Speaker 7: come into the Marcus Smith ran in the attack, and

719
00:36:44,813 --> 00:36:46,453
Speaker 7: you mentioned Felix Joiners as well.

720
00:36:46,653 --> 00:36:46,893
Speaker 5: Yeah.

721
00:36:47,013 --> 00:36:49,973
Speaker 4: So just in terms of stylistically, has it been a

722
00:36:49,973 --> 00:36:51,693
Speaker 4: conscious shift in the way you're playing.

723
00:36:51,773 --> 00:36:54,933
Speaker 7: I think that because you have to look at the context,

724
00:36:54,973 --> 00:36:58,973
Speaker 7: and the context is that we came together as a coast,

725
00:36:59,213 --> 00:37:02,093
Speaker 7: so it's such a short space before the World Cup.

726
00:37:02,733 --> 00:37:04,213
Speaker 7: What you're gonna do is you go put together the

727
00:37:04,253 --> 00:37:06,293
Speaker 7: base of the game to compete at the World Cup,

728
00:37:06,453 --> 00:37:07,813
Speaker 7: which is exactly what we did and.

729
00:37:09,453 --> 00:37:11,573
Speaker 5: As every would say, to do that first.

730
00:37:11,613 --> 00:37:13,773
Speaker 7: So you've got to put those foundation rocks and places,

731
00:37:14,053 --> 00:37:16,733
Speaker 7: and the attack always takes the longest to develop. Part

732
00:37:16,733 --> 00:37:19,773
Speaker 7: of that becomes because sole relationship based cohesion about the

733
00:37:19,813 --> 00:37:24,653
Speaker 7: cohesion you have as players. So what we've done is

734
00:37:25,213 --> 00:37:27,773
Speaker 7: ensure that we've actually tried to build that and it's

735
00:37:27,893 --> 00:37:30,413
Speaker 7: always been the plan to build on the attack.

736
00:37:30,733 --> 00:37:32,533
Speaker 5: I think we've got some I think we've got some

737
00:37:32,933 --> 00:37:37,253
Speaker 5: exciting young players, many of whom are very new to

738
00:37:37,333 --> 00:37:37,973
Speaker 5: the test.

739
00:37:37,773 --> 00:37:42,213
Speaker 7: Arena, very new to playing for England and said that

740
00:37:42,213 --> 00:37:45,693
Speaker 7: they're all full of desire to do well and then

741
00:37:45,693 --> 00:37:47,013
Speaker 7: they're exciting talents.

742
00:37:47,413 --> 00:37:50,253
Speaker 6: We have some file stones Evis and what he's brought.

743
00:37:50,333 --> 00:37:53,253
Speaker 4: But what about Andrew Strawbridge. I guess news ongers know

744
00:37:53,333 --> 00:37:56,013
Speaker 4: him well. He is involved with the Ord Decks and

745
00:37:56,173 --> 00:37:58,213
Speaker 4: but what have you liked about him? What's what he's

746
00:37:58,293 --> 00:38:00,133
Speaker 4: what is he brought to your set?

747
00:38:00,173 --> 00:38:04,733
Speaker 7: And the Straws and some of you I've spoken to

748
00:38:05,453 --> 00:38:11,373
Speaker 7: for many years and watch rugby all around the world and.

749
00:38:11,453 --> 00:38:14,253
Speaker 5: When you see teams doing good things, you.

750
00:38:14,253 --> 00:38:16,853
Speaker 7: Want to know who's been coaching at who's help right

751
00:38:17,173 --> 00:38:19,653
Speaker 7: and you learn about the chiefs and through a period

752
00:38:19,653 --> 00:38:22,493
Speaker 7: they were And then I got connected with Straws many

753
00:38:22,533 --> 00:38:27,093
Speaker 7: years ago and catching contact with somebody I've I've learned

754
00:38:27,133 --> 00:38:30,333
Speaker 7: a lot from over a number of years. And then

755
00:38:30,373 --> 00:38:35,053
Speaker 7: the opportunity came for him for us to work together,

756
00:38:35,453 --> 00:38:37,013
Speaker 7: and he came over in the Six Nations for a

757
00:38:37,093 --> 00:38:37,853
Speaker 7: few weeks.

758
00:38:37,733 --> 00:38:41,293
Speaker 5: Help us develop and helped us build our game.

759
00:38:41,693 --> 00:38:45,773
Speaker 7: And then I'm really fortunate that he's decided to join

760
00:38:45,853 --> 00:38:49,813
Speaker 7: us on a more permanent basis and he's a great

761
00:38:49,813 --> 00:38:51,893
Speaker 7: coach and a fantastic personality around.

762
00:38:51,653 --> 00:38:55,093
Speaker 4: The squad as a trump card would agree when you

763
00:38:55,093 --> 00:38:57,333
Speaker 4: play the or bakes and a guy that knows them well.

764
00:38:58,933 --> 00:39:03,053
Speaker 7: I think nowadays what happens is everybody as you know,

765
00:39:03,853 --> 00:39:05,453
Speaker 7: there no level of analysystem goes on.

766
00:39:05,933 --> 00:39:09,093
Speaker 5: Everybody knows each other pretty well.

767
00:39:09,333 --> 00:39:12,573
Speaker 7: What I've found with this group, this coach, this young

768
00:39:12,613 --> 00:39:14,773
Speaker 7: group we have now is the one to focus very

769
00:39:14,853 --> 00:39:17,533
Speaker 7: much on themselves, very much up on what we've got

770
00:39:17,533 --> 00:39:20,293
Speaker 7: to do to grow and what Straws.

771
00:39:20,053 --> 00:39:23,653
Speaker 5: Does as such an excellent.

772
00:39:23,333 --> 00:39:26,453
Speaker 7: Coach, how he works one on one with people. He's

773
00:39:26,493 --> 00:39:29,173
Speaker 7: got a brilliant manner to find a little bit more

774
00:39:29,173 --> 00:39:31,653
Speaker 7: out of each player. So that's what he's focused on

775
00:39:31,653 --> 00:39:34,333
Speaker 7: a very much focusing on the individual skills and how

776
00:39:34,333 --> 00:39:34,893
Speaker 7: we get.

777
00:39:34,813 --> 00:39:36,853
Speaker 5: A little bit more out of each each player.

778
00:39:37,733 --> 00:39:40,013
Speaker 4: A touch on your bleaks and how much things have changed.

779
00:39:40,053 --> 00:39:42,893
Speaker 4: It's actually the biggest change in twenty years in terms

780
00:39:42,933 --> 00:39:44,093
Speaker 4: of management, new.

781
00:39:43,973 --> 00:39:47,893
Speaker 6: Coach, new captain and that we've experienced post World campin.

782
00:39:47,893 --> 00:39:50,533
Speaker 4: Has left as.

783
00:39:50,373 --> 00:39:53,293
Speaker 6: Possibly a good time to play them.

784
00:39:54,293 --> 00:39:57,933
Speaker 7: I'll say, I think there's no bigger challenge in rugby

785
00:39:57,933 --> 00:40:03,293
Speaker 7: than playing New Zealand. In New Zealand they are You've

786
00:40:03,333 --> 00:40:08,653
Speaker 7: got a coaching team there by Scott Robinson, who such

787
00:40:08,693 --> 00:40:14,493
Speaker 7: a great record himself coaching throughout his coaching career. Yes,

788
00:40:14,613 --> 00:40:17,053
Speaker 7: that some players aren't there from a cup with there's

789
00:40:17,053 --> 00:40:18,693
Speaker 7: a little law of experience in that squad. And this

790
00:40:18,813 --> 00:40:21,773
Speaker 7: was a squad that on lost the World Cup by point,

791
00:40:23,053 --> 00:40:24,853
Speaker 7: so we know these are This is.

792
00:40:24,853 --> 00:40:26,653
Speaker 5: An incredibly.

793
00:40:27,533 --> 00:40:31,733
Speaker 7: It's an incredible New Zealand squad. They have got pace

794
00:40:31,853 --> 00:40:33,973
Speaker 7: and power in their team. We've also been watching the

795
00:40:34,013 --> 00:40:37,173
Speaker 7: Super Rugby closely. We've seen how well the New Zealand

796
00:40:37,173 --> 00:40:41,493
Speaker 7: teams have done, you know obviously especially the Blues. So

797
00:40:42,013 --> 00:40:44,813
Speaker 7: we know this is going to be a great challenge.

798
00:40:44,813 --> 00:40:46,413
Speaker 7: But I'll go back to where I said is we're

799
00:40:46,413 --> 00:40:49,053
Speaker 7: a young squad. We want to be challenged.

800
00:40:49,613 --> 00:40:51,293
Speaker 4: But what do you expect, You know, your first test

801
00:40:51,373 --> 00:40:54,013
Speaker 4: and theneven and of the Earth's speaking to be hard

802
00:40:54,013 --> 00:40:55,413
Speaker 4: and fast and it's been to.

803
00:40:55,693 --> 00:40:58,933
Speaker 7: So I remember in twenty seventeen the Bridge and Irish lines,

804
00:40:58,973 --> 00:41:03,813
Speaker 7: to remember the noise in the atmosphere it was, it

805
00:41:03,893 --> 00:41:07,213
Speaker 7: was phenomenal. And the players talked about drafts, about the

806
00:41:07,773 --> 00:41:12,293
Speaker 7: communication on the field. Who are expecting a brilliant atmosphere there.

807
00:41:13,973 --> 00:41:16,733
Speaker 7: Everyone has speak to talks about the surface being a

808
00:41:16,773 --> 00:41:21,493
Speaker 7: fast surface, so expecting the ball to be moving the

809
00:41:21,493 --> 00:41:25,853
Speaker 7: play univers and also with the roof I'm told about

810
00:41:26,373 --> 00:41:29,653
Speaker 7: as can the ball can be a bit greasy at times,

811
00:41:29,973 --> 00:41:33,013
Speaker 7: so it can lead to transitions, it can lead to turnovers.

812
00:41:33,813 --> 00:41:36,493
Speaker 7: So how quickly you react to those opportunities of beating

813
00:41:36,493 --> 00:41:40,133
Speaker 7: a tackle, beating defense is it's going to be really important.

814
00:41:40,893 --> 00:41:43,493
Speaker 4: Just in terms of your squad, I think that you

815
00:41:43,853 --> 00:41:46,653
Speaker 4: again largely stick with the same thing from Japan for

816
00:41:46,733 --> 00:41:50,573
Speaker 4: the oublicks with a view to cohesion. Is it something

817
00:41:50,613 --> 00:41:53,813
Speaker 4: that's important to build those combinations, to take stipping stones

818
00:41:53,853 --> 00:41:58,053
Speaker 4: and and give have faith in them and relates.

819
00:41:58,213 --> 00:42:00,653
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I think I think we've got a really

820
00:42:00,653 --> 00:42:04,133
Speaker 7: good squad. It's a young squad, it's a really good squad.

821
00:42:04,173 --> 00:42:07,973
Speaker 7: I fully enjoy working with them. I think that given

822
00:42:08,613 --> 00:42:11,693
Speaker 7: the preparations time the England team has, which is not

823
00:42:11,773 --> 00:42:16,893
Speaker 7: very much, I think that it's important to keep building

824
00:42:17,293 --> 00:42:21,773
Speaker 7: a level of cohesion amongst the squad. So this squad,

825
00:42:22,853 --> 00:42:24,413
Speaker 7: the changes we made from the remember of the Six

826
00:42:24,533 --> 00:42:27,853
Speaker 7: Nations to where we are now as as minimal as

827
00:42:28,053 --> 00:42:30,813
Speaker 7: could be and as discussed about the way.

828
00:42:30,653 --> 00:42:32,453
Speaker 5: We we we play.

829
00:42:32,573 --> 00:42:35,773
Speaker 7: We want to transition, evolve, gradually. The same thing around

830
00:42:35,773 --> 00:42:39,373
Speaker 7: our squad. It's transition, evolve gradually so we can keep

831
00:42:39,773 --> 00:42:40,973
Speaker 7: cohesion there.

832
00:42:41,773 --> 00:42:42,773
Speaker 6: Just a couple of things finish.

833
00:42:43,013 --> 00:42:44,733
Speaker 4: How much of a chef do you think he made

834
00:42:45,133 --> 00:42:48,013
Speaker 4: towards the becking of the Six Nations? Their performance against Ireland,

835
00:42:48,493 --> 00:42:52,013
Speaker 4: very close against France, the game against Japan. I'm sure

836
00:42:52,013 --> 00:42:53,693
Speaker 4: there's things you want to work on, but in terms

837
00:42:53,693 --> 00:42:55,293
Speaker 4: of progression and in.

838
00:42:55,733 --> 00:43:01,053
Speaker 7: Chefs, I think I think the team squad are growing.

839
00:43:01,573 --> 00:43:03,413
Speaker 5: We've got a long way to go, but I feel

840
00:43:03,453 --> 00:43:05,413
Speaker 5: that the team is growing.

841
00:43:06,013 --> 00:43:07,773
Speaker 7: When you look at that the start of the six

842
00:43:07,893 --> 00:43:10,733
Speaker 7: as any to a tail, you want your players available,

843
00:43:10,733 --> 00:43:13,293
Speaker 7: they want to fit, and the start of Six Nations,

844
00:43:13,653 --> 00:43:15,853
Speaker 7: we have five new players for New Caps in the

845
00:43:15,853 --> 00:43:19,853
Speaker 7: first twenty match day twenty three. I hadn't anticipated doing that,

846
00:43:19,973 --> 00:43:21,493
Speaker 7: but I think all five of those guys are going

847
00:43:21,533 --> 00:43:24,893
Speaker 7: to be great and good players in the future. Gradually

848
00:43:24,893 --> 00:43:26,133
Speaker 7: through the Six Nations, we've.

849
00:43:25,973 --> 00:43:27,533
Speaker 5: Had players come back to fitness.

850
00:43:27,853 --> 00:43:30,013
Speaker 7: We are a number of players now run on this

851
00:43:30,733 --> 00:43:32,813
Speaker 7: trip for a few different reasons, a couple of injuries.

852
00:43:34,293 --> 00:43:35,413
Speaker 5: But one of the things that's.

853
00:43:35,173 --> 00:43:40,653
Speaker 7: Struggling here is the excitement, energy and intensity of these players.

854
00:43:40,973 --> 00:43:44,213
Speaker 7: They've been going now for as soon as guys have.

855
00:43:44,173 --> 00:43:49,733
Speaker 5: Been going for more than twelve boys and for every day.

856
00:43:50,333 --> 00:43:55,653
Speaker 7: The intensity they bring to training just keeps.

857
00:43:54,053 --> 00:43:55,693
Speaker 5: It just keeps driving forward.

858
00:43:56,093 --> 00:43:58,333
Speaker 7: And so as said, I think it's a great squad

859
00:43:58,413 --> 00:44:02,973
Speaker 7: led by a very good captain in Jamie George, and

860
00:44:03,013 --> 00:44:05,413
Speaker 7: we're going in the toughest place to play rugby.

861
00:44:07,613 --> 00:44:10,013
Speaker 6: Let's see startup on there.

862
00:44:13,213 --> 00:44:16,573
Speaker 4: Get a bit story, wouln't that it takes to take Yeah,

863
00:44:16,693 --> 00:44:17,133
Speaker 4: and I'm.

864
00:44:16,973 --> 00:44:17,653
Speaker 5: Going to take a step this.

865
00:44:17,933 --> 00:44:23,733
Speaker 4: Yeah, just to wrap up, I guess we've talked about history.

866
00:44:23,853 --> 00:44:25,733
Speaker 6: We talked about haharded as to play in the island

867
00:44:25,773 --> 00:44:28,973
Speaker 6: and his zealand. What what does a successful tour look like?

868
00:44:30,333 --> 00:44:32,173
Speaker 5: Well, I think that cool.

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Speaker 7: We always go on to the pitch and putting ourselves

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Speaker 7: in a position to win the game. We know what

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Speaker 7: more a challenge that is against these guns and our

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Speaker 5: We have enormous respectful rugby in this country.

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Speaker 7: It struck me as you travel just again, I saw

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Speaker 7: her in twenty seventeen coming around the country. The British

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Speaker 7: loved rugby in this country and I think our players

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Speaker 7: really enjoying being here. I think we've we've experienced a

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Speaker 7: real incredible welcome from the New Zealand public since we've arrived.

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Speaker 7: We expect that to be a little bit different a

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Speaker 7: week on Saturday, So for us, this experience is in

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Speaker 7: valuable for us in our development and we look forward

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Speaker 7: to next Saturday night.

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