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Speaker 1: Bryan Bridge, Tiatstar MP Phil Twyford is calling for Destiny

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Speaker 1: Church to be struck off the charities register at phild

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Speaker 1: Twefet has penned the letter to the Charities Regulator alleging

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Speaker 1: wrongdoing over the library protests. He's suggesting they should lose

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Speaker 1: their tax deductibility status. Dr Michael Goomet is an independent

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Speaker 1: researcher specializing in charities and he's with me this evening.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Michael, good evening, Ryan.

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Speaker 1: So what do you have to do to get struck off?

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Speaker 2: Well, this is back up a week second. This just

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Speaker 2: so happens that I also wrote a letter to the

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Speaker 2: press yesterday which they haven't published. I hope they've published

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Speaker 2: it tomorrow. And this is what I said. I don't

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Speaker 2: need charities like these bullies on our charities register as

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Speaker 2: they taint the spector with their unchristian behavior. So that's

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Speaker 2: the first thing. What are we dealing with here? What

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Speaker 2: exactly does still mean when he says as a Destiny Church?

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Speaker 2: So can I just give you all readers a little

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Speaker 2: bit of background to this, because there's more than one

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Speaker 2: Destiny Church in New Zealand, and in fact, there's twenty

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Speaker 2: five on the register. Here's the thing. So far, six

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Speaker 2: of those churches have been deregistered already because they hadn't

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Speaker 2: filed there in the returns, and that's what happened. Another seven,

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Speaker 2: Heaven had got themselves removed from the register resuming because

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Speaker 2: they don't want the public scrutinizing their financial statements. So

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Speaker 2: we've got fourteen entities there that have already been removed

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Speaker 2: from the register. So it leaves you eleven entities behind.

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Speaker 2: The wintel says, let's deregister the Destiny Church. What are

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Speaker 2: we looking at here? That there has been referenced to

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Speaker 2: the New Zealand Trust, which hasn't filed any financial since

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. We let's have a look at the

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Trust. What does its indeed say? It says

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Speaker 2: that their function is to accept guidance and support of

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Speaker 2: Destiny International Trust as a networking body of Destiny Church.

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Speaker 2: That's the Destiny International Trust. Yes, what that got deregistered

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, So you know, my god, what

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Speaker 2: have we got left to register?

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Speaker 1: I guess the question that people want to know from

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Speaker 1: you is what do you you have? So you don't

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Speaker 1: file a return? You can be deregistered you don't include

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Speaker 1: enough detail in the return, you can be deregistered. Can

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Speaker 1: you be deregistered for being a thug?

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Speaker 2: Not as such? What you've got to prove a serious

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Speaker 2: wrongdoing and that's specific. And there's an excellent interview with

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Speaker 2: Lisa on Ray in New Zealand after them with filth.

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Speaker 2: And the issue that we're all aware of is this

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Speaker 2: concept of serious wrongdoing. Now I know, for my own

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Speaker 2: expert what does it mean?

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Speaker 1: What does it mean that I'm coming to.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm coming with. The concept of serious wrongdoing

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Speaker 2: is very very hard to prove. I know that from

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Speaker 2: my own experience dealing with baddies. But any right thinking

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Speaker 2: person can see that what Destiny is up to is

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Speaker 2: well beyond the pale and.

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Speaker 1: The way that they but wrongdoing. Is that financial wrongdoing

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Speaker 1: that they're talking.

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Speaker 2: About, Well, that's one of the issues, but there's no

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Speaker 2: evidence of that at this state. What we're talking about

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Speaker 2: is just fears wrongdoing in the sense that these people

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Speaker 2: are behaving.

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Speaker 1: And that's washy, washy, Michael. That's the problem because if

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Speaker 1: the law says it's serious wrongdoing and it's referring to

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Speaker 1: financial matters, then that is one issue. But if the

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Speaker 1: law says you can't just do register a charity because

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Speaker 1: you think they're a thug, then you might run into

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Speaker 1: some problems. Michael, I appreciate you coming on the program.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for doing so. That's doctor Michael

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