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Speaker 1: Trump's hit pools on military aid to Ukraine. The White

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Speaker 1: House says the pools could be lifted as Zelensky demonstrates

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Speaker 1: quote a new commitment to negotiations to end the war

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Speaker 1: in Ukraine. Malcolm Nance's intelligence and foreign policy analyst. He's

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Speaker 1: a former US Navy senior Petty office. He's also fought

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Speaker 1: on the front lines in Ukraine. And he's with me now, Malcolm, Hello, good,

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Speaker 1: good to be here.

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Speaker 2: So this is quite a big deal. Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 2: very big deal. What's happening in the United States is

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Speaker 2: nothing short of international chaos. And you know, I'm speaking

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Speaker 2: to you as an American citizen, former US military, but

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Speaker 2: I'm also a former Ukrainian Army legionnaire. And you know

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Speaker 2: I served with people from New Zealand, including one who

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Speaker 2: was killed in twenty twenty three in combat. And so

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Speaker 2: to see the United States withdraw support so Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: could live out some fantasy to get the Nobel Prize

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Speaker 2: is an absolute disgrace.

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Speaker 1: What will the Ukrainians do without that support.

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Speaker 2: I just want to put something into perspective for you.

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Speaker 2: Ukraine has been fighting since twenty fourteen without the full

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Speaker 2: support of the United States and right now, US support

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Speaker 2: is twenty percent of the hard weapons that they're getting

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Speaker 2: from that support their combat mission against Russia. The kind

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Speaker 2: of weapons and equipment they were getting from the United

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Speaker 2: States can be backseled by Europe. We've already seen the

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Speaker 2: European Alliance come together to give them the hard artillery

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Speaker 2: shells that they need. Germany's Rhine Mattal has just finished

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Speaker 2: a factory in Ukraine that can produce a million shells

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Speaker 2: a year. Ukraine has radically changed warfare with their own

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Speaker 2: indigenous homemade drones that are flown by fiber optics so

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Speaker 2: they can't be jammed. Where they will black initially will

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Speaker 2: be some of the more advanced technologies, you know, some

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Speaker 2: of the missiles that are used in Hemar multiple rocket

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Speaker 2: system replacing damaged Bradley infantry fighting vehicles and their supplies.

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Speaker 2: But Europe can backfill all of that too. Ukraine can

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Speaker 2: will not lose this war because they are losing America's support.

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Speaker 2: America is losing because of the Trump regime walking away

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Speaker 2: from freedom, liberty, and democracy for a country that is

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Speaker 2: on the front line against patholitarianism.

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Speaker 1: All right, Malcolm, thank you for that perspective. Malcolm Nancy's

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Speaker 1: and intelligence foreign policy policy analyst. Former US Navy senior

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Speaker 1: pity officer obviously fought in Ukraine alongside a New Zealand

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Speaker 1: soldier he mentions in the interview.

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