1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:12,027 Speaker 1: from Newstalk zb. 3 00:00:12,827 --> 00:00:17,867 Speaker 2: Lou Vincent was one of our most explosive, exciting, energetic cricketers. 4 00:00:18,107 --> 00:00:20,547 Speaker 2: He played all three formats for the black Caps between 5 00:00:20,587 --> 00:00:24,147 Speaker 2: two thousand and one and two thousand and seven, including 6 00:00:24,187 --> 00:00:27,867 Speaker 2: one hundred and two One Day Internationals, scoring three Test 7 00:00:27,947 --> 00:00:32,347 Speaker 2: centuries and another three ODI hundreds. One of those international 8 00:00:32,507 --> 00:00:35,707 Speaker 2: hundreds was on Test debut against Australia at the Whacker 9 00:00:36,187 --> 00:00:38,267 Speaker 2: in two thousand and one, when he made one hundred 10 00:00:38,267 --> 00:00:42,347 Speaker 2: and four against a bowling attack of Glenn McGrath, Jason Gillespie, 11 00:00:42,387 --> 00:00:45,067 Speaker 2: Brett Lee and Shane Warn. He followed it up with 12 00:00:45,187 --> 00:00:47,867 Speaker 2: fifty four in the second innings at the Base from 13 00:00:47,867 --> 00:00:49,627 Speaker 2: Reserve and Wellington. At the end of the summer of 14 00:00:49,627 --> 00:00:52,707 Speaker 2: two thousand and four five he made two hundred and 15 00:00:52,787 --> 00:00:55,707 Speaker 2: twenty four to guide New Zealand to an innings win 16 00:00:56,107 --> 00:01:00,147 Speaker 2: over Sri Lanka. Lou Vincent lost his New Zealand contract 17 00:01:00,227 --> 00:01:03,787 Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight, played county cricket and signed 18 00:01:03,827 --> 00:01:07,267 Speaker 2: up for the Indian Cricket League. Arrive to the Indian 19 00:01:07,307 --> 00:01:11,787 Speaker 2: Premier League, where he was recruited into a spot fixing ring. 20 00:01:12,347 --> 00:01:15,667 Speaker 2: In July twenty fourteen, he admitted eighteen breaches of the 21 00:01:15,707 --> 00:01:19,707 Speaker 2: England and Wales Cricket Board's anti corruption rules and was 22 00:01:19,787 --> 00:01:23,347 Speaker 2: banned from cricket for life. Nine and a half years later, 23 00:01:23,507 --> 00:01:27,227 Speaker 2: in December twenty twenty three, that ban was relaxed, allowing 24 00:01:27,307 --> 00:01:30,667 Speaker 2: him to be involved in cricket at domestic level and below. 25 00:01:31,027 --> 00:01:33,467 Speaker 2: In August of last year, he was presented with a 26 00:01:33,507 --> 00:01:37,787 Speaker 2: cap marking his one hundred one day international appearances, nearly 27 00:01:37,827 --> 00:01:41,747 Speaker 2: seventeen years after he earned it. The presentation made by 28 00:01:41,867 --> 00:01:46,467 Speaker 2: Sir Richard Hadley. According to Gerard Elias Kse, who heard 29 00:01:46,507 --> 00:01:49,547 Speaker 2: his appeal, the loosening of his band was due in 30 00:01:49,667 --> 00:01:54,387 Speaker 2: large part to lu Vincent demonstrating the very highest levels 31 00:01:54,427 --> 00:01:58,187 Speaker 2: of contrition and remorse and the very best efforts to 32 00:01:58,227 --> 00:02:02,267 Speaker 2: make amends wherever possible. To that end, he last week 33 00:02:02,387 --> 00:02:07,147 Speaker 2: addressed a Victoria Police symposium in Melbourne, covered a range 34 00:02:07,147 --> 00:02:11,627 Speaker 2: of integrity related issues in Sport. Lou Vincent is with 35 00:02:11,787 --> 00:02:14,587 Speaker 2: us on weekend Sport. Lou, thanks for taking the time. 36 00:02:14,907 --> 00:02:17,867 Speaker 2: Let's start with your speech in Melbourne. What sort of 37 00:02:17,907 --> 00:02:20,627 Speaker 2: content did you cover well? 38 00:02:20,667 --> 00:02:23,107 Speaker 3: Because it was a private of firtival facts, very much 39 00:02:23,107 --> 00:02:27,267 Speaker 3: for having me on your station today, and you know, 40 00:02:27,387 --> 00:02:30,827 Speaker 3: obviously hats off in respect for what you've you've created, 41 00:02:31,987 --> 00:02:34,507 Speaker 3: you know, bringing bringing sport to our radios around the 42 00:02:34,547 --> 00:02:38,707 Speaker 3: world we turn in. So this week it was because 43 00:02:38,707 --> 00:02:41,307 Speaker 3: it was behind closed doors and you know there was 44 00:02:41,427 --> 00:02:44,747 Speaker 3: there's no media involved. It was you know, you could 45 00:02:44,987 --> 00:02:49,667 Speaker 3: obviously share a lot more uh stories about you know 46 00:02:49,707 --> 00:02:52,227 Speaker 3: what what what had happened to me and the journey 47 00:02:52,547 --> 00:02:56,347 Speaker 3: through the introduction and as you said, being recruited into 48 00:02:56,347 --> 00:03:01,507 Speaker 3: that spot fixing ring. And you know, it's all about 49 00:03:01,667 --> 00:03:05,107 Speaker 3: the integrity of sport, which where you know which you know, 50 00:03:05,227 --> 00:03:07,027 Speaker 3: you and I are sitting at home. What a game 51 00:03:07,067 --> 00:03:08,987 Speaker 3: of robio, a game of soccer, or a game of cricket. 52 00:03:09,027 --> 00:03:11,307 Speaker 3: We want to we want to see it being played 53 00:03:11,307 --> 00:03:14,107 Speaker 3: at one hundred percent. You know it's not only as 54 00:03:14,147 --> 00:03:16,867 Speaker 3: a fan, but you know, the sponsors that are involved, 55 00:03:17,547 --> 00:03:22,827 Speaker 3: and also for our children to continue on the sporting 56 00:03:22,867 --> 00:03:25,867 Speaker 3: legacy of all the codes and get them playing and 57 00:03:25,947 --> 00:03:29,907 Speaker 3: keep keep getting them active and getting them outdoors playing sports. 58 00:03:29,907 --> 00:03:33,907 Speaker 3: So the integrity is a massive part of protecting the game. 59 00:03:34,027 --> 00:03:36,747 Speaker 3: And I think you know, I, along with most of 60 00:03:36,747 --> 00:03:39,107 Speaker 3: your listeners, I'm sure we've all had a text message 61 00:03:39,187 --> 00:03:41,827 Speaker 3: or an email from scammers around the world constantly trying 62 00:03:41,867 --> 00:03:47,387 Speaker 3: to you know, breach you know, you know, a trustworthy 63 00:03:47,867 --> 00:03:50,627 Speaker 3: world that we wish we had lived in, but we've 64 00:03:50,667 --> 00:03:54,587 Speaker 3: got to be pretty vigilant that Unfortunately, there's there's there's 65 00:03:54,587 --> 00:03:59,267 Speaker 3: money and humans. There's going to be greed and potential corruption. 66 00:04:00,027 --> 00:04:03,827 Speaker 3: So my biggest, you know, my biggest asset I bring 67 00:04:03,827 --> 00:04:07,867 Speaker 3: to the table for these sports and gathering bodies is 68 00:04:08,707 --> 00:04:12,307 Speaker 3: you know, first hand experience about how it happened and 69 00:04:12,347 --> 00:04:15,907 Speaker 3: how I got recruited and who was involved, and share 70 00:04:15,987 --> 00:04:22,907 Speaker 3: these stories so the organization can be aware of potential 71 00:04:23,427 --> 00:04:26,307 Speaker 3: sort of risks to the to the sport. 72 00:04:26,947 --> 00:04:30,227 Speaker 2: How how high loe do you think that risk to 73 00:04:30,307 --> 00:04:35,427 Speaker 2: the integrity of sport is? You know, like modern day 74 00:04:35,707 --> 00:04:38,427 Speaker 2: how high is that is that risk to the integrity 75 00:04:38,427 --> 00:04:39,147 Speaker 2: of sport? 76 00:04:39,787 --> 00:04:41,787 Speaker 3: Well, a lot more sports and it's not just you 77 00:04:41,787 --> 00:04:44,707 Speaker 3: know the professional sports which is live on TV. We're 78 00:04:44,707 --> 00:04:48,187 Speaker 3: seeing you know, club soccer games, you know, club cricket 79 00:04:48,187 --> 00:04:51,667 Speaker 3: games all now streamed on the internet. And whenever something's 80 00:04:51,707 --> 00:04:57,387 Speaker 3: live and whenever something's streamed online, there's potential bidding sites, 81 00:04:57,667 --> 00:05:00,947 Speaker 3: you know, gambling sites around the world that are we'll 82 00:05:00,987 --> 00:05:03,627 Speaker 3: have odds on it. And there's also a lot of 83 00:05:03,667 --> 00:05:08,067 Speaker 3: illegal betting sites around the world that operate and you know, 84 00:05:08,107 --> 00:05:10,747 Speaker 3: I don't know the figures, but it's huge money, huge, 85 00:05:10,987 --> 00:05:13,307 Speaker 3: huge money in the black black market. And you know, 86 00:05:13,347 --> 00:05:15,427 Speaker 3: I think we're seeing you know, I know here in 87 00:05:15,427 --> 00:05:18,307 Speaker 3: New Zealand, where you know, a lot of sporting clubs 88 00:05:18,307 --> 00:05:21,067 Speaker 3: are are struggling with not only volunteers, but they're struggling 89 00:05:21,507 --> 00:05:27,107 Speaker 3: financially to keep running. So there the vulnerability of clubs 90 00:05:27,147 --> 00:05:30,787 Speaker 3: being approached, which which is the true story of it's happening. 91 00:05:30,867 --> 00:05:33,707 Speaker 3: You know, these these beddings send the kids are reaching 92 00:05:33,747 --> 00:05:37,547 Speaker 3: out to any club at any level, you know, offering sponsorship, 93 00:05:37,587 --> 00:05:39,827 Speaker 3: and what comes with that is you know sort of 94 00:05:40,707 --> 00:05:44,147 Speaker 3: you know, potential manipulation to the results of games. So 95 00:05:44,347 --> 00:05:46,627 Speaker 3: you know, it's not just like before the professional athletes, 96 00:05:46,707 --> 00:05:49,547 Speaker 3: just just sometimes your club, your club player can be 97 00:05:49,587 --> 00:05:51,707 Speaker 3: approached as well, which was which we're seeing. So it's 98 00:05:51,747 --> 00:05:52,347 Speaker 3: quite scary. 99 00:05:52,827 --> 00:05:55,547 Speaker 2: Jason, how did you get recruited? 100 00:05:56,747 --> 00:06:02,507 Speaker 3: Well, seven years of having anti corruption meetings with the ICC, 101 00:06:02,667 --> 00:06:04,667 Speaker 3: which is all part of you know, playing domestic cricket 102 00:06:04,667 --> 00:06:06,547 Speaker 3: in the National cricket every tour you go on sit 103 00:06:06,587 --> 00:06:07,947 Speaker 3: there for half an hour and you get told by 104 00:06:08,627 --> 00:06:10,987 Speaker 3: a former cop that you know, be careful of this, 105 00:06:11,147 --> 00:06:13,027 Speaker 3: and be careful of the bookies and be careful of 106 00:06:13,067 --> 00:06:16,587 Speaker 3: the honey traps and stuff. And you know, when when 107 00:06:16,587 --> 00:06:18,707 Speaker 3: I got approached in India at the ICL, it was 108 00:06:18,707 --> 00:06:21,307 Speaker 3: an unsanctioned tournament, so you know, we didn't have that 109 00:06:21,347 --> 00:06:25,147 Speaker 3: sort of protection, but the education was always there and 110 00:06:25,187 --> 00:06:27,947 Speaker 3: you know, and a real brief, brief, brief summary of 111 00:06:27,987 --> 00:06:30,307 Speaker 3: what happened to me was, you know, the phone rang 112 00:06:30,467 --> 00:06:33,507 Speaker 3: was an Indian guy offering a batting sponsorship, which happens 113 00:06:33,547 --> 00:06:35,947 Speaker 3: every time you go to India. But because we you know, 114 00:06:36,107 --> 00:06:40,347 Speaker 3: sort of turned our back on mainstream cricket and signed 115 00:06:40,387 --> 00:06:42,387 Speaker 3: up for this rebel league where we were all free agents. 116 00:06:42,427 --> 00:06:47,267 Speaker 3: So we met the Indians other and chatted for you know, jeez, 117 00:06:47,267 --> 00:06:49,347 Speaker 3: a good hour or so, and you know, it was 118 00:06:49,587 --> 00:06:51,467 Speaker 3: as they do, they make you, They make you feel 119 00:06:51,467 --> 00:06:54,347 Speaker 3: pretty good. And a couple of whiskeys later and and 120 00:06:54,947 --> 00:06:57,547 Speaker 3: you know, your year, he goes pumped up and you know, 121 00:06:57,627 --> 00:06:59,987 Speaker 3: by that stage, I'd come off a bit of a 122 00:06:59,987 --> 00:07:02,027 Speaker 3: heavy mental breakdown at the end of my career, and 123 00:07:02,787 --> 00:07:04,827 Speaker 3: you know, to have that sort of attention and felt good. 124 00:07:05,467 --> 00:07:09,027 Speaker 3: And then when that's when you know, once he thought 125 00:07:09,027 --> 00:07:10,947 Speaker 3: he built that trust with me, it was like, well 126 00:07:11,027 --> 00:07:15,627 Speaker 3: the business is actually going to be spot fixing and 127 00:07:15,627 --> 00:07:18,147 Speaker 3: and he's fifteen thousand cash and handed over to me, 128 00:07:18,187 --> 00:07:21,067 Speaker 3: and that's when the penny dropped that this is all 129 00:07:21,107 --> 00:07:23,547 Speaker 3: those years of education, this is this is that that situation. 130 00:07:23,667 --> 00:07:27,347 Speaker 3: I've been approached by a bookie. And so I managed 131 00:07:27,347 --> 00:07:29,587 Speaker 3: to get out of that room as quick as I 132 00:07:29,587 --> 00:07:32,467 Speaker 3: could and went straight to my manager and reported it 133 00:07:33,347 --> 00:07:36,027 Speaker 3: and she was going to hand it over to the 134 00:07:36,027 --> 00:07:37,947 Speaker 3: security at the hotel and sought from there. So that 135 00:07:37,987 --> 00:07:40,187 Speaker 3: was the end of that part. But on the way 136 00:07:40,187 --> 00:07:45,347 Speaker 3: back down to my room, went past, you know, a 137 00:07:45,387 --> 00:07:50,347 Speaker 3: fellow cricketers room, and I said, you wouldn't believe it. 138 00:07:50,387 --> 00:07:52,147 Speaker 3: I've told told them the story and I said this 139 00:07:52,187 --> 00:07:55,067 Speaker 3: is what happened, and you know and you know, and 140 00:07:55,067 --> 00:07:58,067 Speaker 3: then that sort of there was that moment of science 141 00:07:58,067 --> 00:08:01,667 Speaker 3: of you've done the right thing, but now you're going 142 00:08:01,707 --> 00:08:04,827 Speaker 3: to be working for me, and there I am saying 143 00:08:04,867 --> 00:08:07,907 Speaker 3: yes straight away. So when I talk to these governing bodies, 144 00:08:07,947 --> 00:08:10,467 Speaker 3: I say, it's it's not so much the people that, yeah, 145 00:08:10,507 --> 00:08:12,067 Speaker 3: you don't know you're gonna worried about. It's the people 146 00:08:12,107 --> 00:08:15,067 Speaker 3: that you do know that recruit as well. And that's 147 00:08:15,067 --> 00:08:18,667 Speaker 3: certainly how it happened to me. And and that's how 148 00:08:18,707 --> 00:08:23,307 Speaker 3: it all sort of started, the spot fixing syndicate. I 149 00:08:23,347 --> 00:08:27,387 Speaker 3: was recruited into with people I knew and felt safe 150 00:08:27,427 --> 00:08:30,067 Speaker 3: and I felt yep, everyone else seems to be doing it, 151 00:08:30,107 --> 00:08:34,067 Speaker 3: and you know, this cript's just like a bunch of 152 00:08:35,347 --> 00:08:37,467 Speaker 3: correctly playing in the backyard. It just happens to be 153 00:08:37,547 --> 00:08:39,947 Speaker 3: on TV. It's unsanctioned and let's let's get a piece 154 00:08:39,947 --> 00:08:42,507 Speaker 3: of the pipe because everybody else is so, you know, 155 00:08:42,547 --> 00:08:44,467 Speaker 3: in a real brief nut show. That's how it's sort 156 00:08:44,467 --> 00:08:49,307 Speaker 3: of evolved for me that world and certainly changed my 157 00:08:49,347 --> 00:08:52,907 Speaker 3: life for the worst. And it's it's something I'm unfortunately 158 00:08:52,907 --> 00:08:55,947 Speaker 3: I've got to live with for the rest of my life. Yeah, 159 00:08:55,987 --> 00:09:00,027 Speaker 3: I've done, you know, years and years of work behind 160 00:09:00,027 --> 00:09:02,707 Speaker 3: the scenes to use what I've been through to help 161 00:09:02,747 --> 00:09:05,227 Speaker 3: the game and give give respect back to the game, 162 00:09:05,227 --> 00:09:08,627 Speaker 3: which I took it away. And you know, the summer 163 00:09:08,907 --> 00:09:10,787 Speaker 3: summed up with you know, at the end of it, 164 00:09:11,947 --> 00:09:16,147 Speaker 3: you know, applying you know to the ECB to have 165 00:09:16,227 --> 00:09:20,267 Speaker 3: the band possibly looked at and without any sort of hesitation, 166 00:09:20,347 --> 00:09:23,547 Speaker 3: they said, no, you've, as you said before my introduction, 167 00:09:23,627 --> 00:09:26,467 Speaker 3: you've you've you've created the benchmark of what's required of 168 00:09:26,547 --> 00:09:29,587 Speaker 3: a players you know, silly enough to be involved to 169 00:09:31,067 --> 00:09:33,707 Speaker 3: repair the damage that you've done and the good you're 170 00:09:33,747 --> 00:09:36,307 Speaker 3: doing for the game behind the scenes. And then to 171 00:09:36,427 --> 00:09:39,707 Speaker 3: Richard Hadley wanting to fly up and present that capt 172 00:09:39,707 --> 00:09:43,547 Speaker 3: to me was a real powerful, you know association for 173 00:09:43,627 --> 00:09:45,907 Speaker 3: me because that guy, as we know, is just a 174 00:09:45,907 --> 00:09:48,027 Speaker 3: complete legend and New Zealand sport. And for them to 175 00:09:48,067 --> 00:09:50,907 Speaker 3: align from South with me and present that capt to 176 00:09:50,987 --> 00:09:53,147 Speaker 3: me was it was a night I'll never forget. And 177 00:09:53,187 --> 00:09:54,867 Speaker 3: for my family to be there and you know, the 178 00:09:54,947 --> 00:09:57,827 Speaker 3: Lawyers and Players Association New Zealand Cricket to put that on, 179 00:09:59,587 --> 00:10:04,427 Speaker 3: yeah it was. It's awesome, awesome, really really grateful. And yeah, 180 00:10:04,427 --> 00:10:06,707 Speaker 3: I'm trying to, yeah, not look in the part too 181 00:10:06,787 --> 00:10:09,147 Speaker 3: much and just try and use every bit of negative 182 00:10:09,547 --> 00:10:13,067 Speaker 3: negativity and rough experience and bad experience and send it 183 00:10:13,067 --> 00:10:15,947 Speaker 3: into a good one. So that's my role in life now. 184 00:10:16,067 --> 00:10:19,907 Speaker 3: And I hope that you know, with these supposings that 185 00:10:19,947 --> 00:10:23,707 Speaker 3: I go to in these guest speaking engagements, I do. 186 00:10:23,867 --> 00:10:27,387 Speaker 3: It's a way of sharing my story in and helping 187 00:10:27,507 --> 00:10:31,147 Speaker 3: helping people and helping suporting associations to protect the integrity 188 00:10:31,147 --> 00:10:31,587 Speaker 3: of the sport. 189 00:10:32,587 --> 00:10:35,107 Speaker 2: When you were asked a spot fakes, what did you 190 00:10:35,227 --> 00:10:35,987 Speaker 2: have to do? 191 00:10:38,027 --> 00:10:42,947 Speaker 3: Well, at the time, it was score, score ten to fifteen, 192 00:10:43,027 --> 00:10:45,867 Speaker 3: runs off twenty balls and get out, which was pretty 193 00:10:45,907 --> 00:10:47,427 Speaker 3: much just bad normally. 194 00:10:50,707 --> 00:10:53,147 Speaker 2: No suspicion, No suspicion was raised. It was just what 195 00:10:53,267 --> 00:10:54,067 Speaker 2: Luvinson does. 196 00:10:54,267 --> 00:10:56,947 Speaker 3: Yeah, get paid fifty grand for batting normally, Okay, no 197 00:10:57,027 --> 00:11:01,347 Speaker 3: worries obviously not. You know, it's all controlled and it's 198 00:11:01,347 --> 00:11:03,747 Speaker 3: all you know, it's not so much about that the 199 00:11:03,787 --> 00:11:05,667 Speaker 3: winning and losing of a game. It's about you know, 200 00:11:05,867 --> 00:11:08,227 Speaker 3: what's what's bet on and segments of the game and 201 00:11:08,267 --> 00:11:11,187 Speaker 3: sessions of the game. So that was certainly my role 202 00:11:11,187 --> 00:11:14,427 Speaker 3: as the opening batsman's to score ten to fifteen and 203 00:11:14,427 --> 00:11:17,347 Speaker 3: and get out. But the last game, the last game, 204 00:11:18,427 --> 00:11:20,827 Speaker 3: I think it's documented somewhere certainly in the in the 205 00:11:20,827 --> 00:11:22,627 Speaker 3: court case I was involved with, was you know, when 206 00:11:22,667 --> 00:11:25,947 Speaker 3: I was supposed to get out, I accidentally Darreth kind 207 00:11:25,987 --> 00:11:27,987 Speaker 3: of look at to miss it, get stumped. And I 208 00:11:28,027 --> 00:11:29,707 Speaker 3: still stay to this day, I swear to God that 209 00:11:29,707 --> 00:11:31,867 Speaker 3: boy had a big rock on the pitch and it's 210 00:11:31,867 --> 00:11:33,347 Speaker 3: spun into the middle of my back and went over 211 00:11:33,387 --> 00:11:36,187 Speaker 3: the umpire's head down to Longland who fumbled the catch 212 00:11:36,187 --> 00:11:39,507 Speaker 3: over his head for six. So instead of getting out, 213 00:11:39,507 --> 00:11:42,267 Speaker 3: I hit a six. So I wasn't very good at 214 00:11:42,267 --> 00:11:46,747 Speaker 3: that spot fixing doing my job. How were you paid 215 00:11:48,027 --> 00:11:53,507 Speaker 3: well at that particular time? It was all once we 216 00:11:53,547 --> 00:11:57,067 Speaker 3: had set up, you know, overseas, it was it was. 217 00:11:57,467 --> 00:12:00,027 Speaker 3: It was money owed to us and and and certainly 218 00:12:00,107 --> 00:12:03,627 Speaker 3: from the the person that recruited me. You know, he 219 00:12:04,147 --> 00:12:09,267 Speaker 3: never he never fulfilled that and that story I told 220 00:12:09,307 --> 00:12:11,627 Speaker 3: you about hitting out six off that ball when I 221 00:12:11,627 --> 00:12:13,907 Speaker 3: was supposed to get out. Yeah, he made it very 222 00:12:13,907 --> 00:12:16,147 Speaker 3: clear that night it was. He was very aggressive to 223 00:12:16,147 --> 00:12:18,347 Speaker 3: me and said that I'd cost the business millions that 224 00:12:18,507 --> 00:12:23,027 Speaker 3: night and I lost all that money. So you know, 225 00:12:23,387 --> 00:12:26,627 Speaker 3: it was, Yeah, it was a double double kick in 226 00:12:26,667 --> 00:12:30,387 Speaker 3: the guts by morally doing things wrong and then obviously 227 00:12:30,587 --> 00:12:32,627 Speaker 3: not getting anything for it. But you know, we could 228 00:12:32,627 --> 00:12:33,987 Speaker 3: talk for hours, and that's what I do, you know, 229 00:12:34,107 --> 00:12:37,587 Speaker 3: is obviously that's just a real small snippet of how 230 00:12:37,627 --> 00:12:39,867 Speaker 3: the next six thing evolved for me. In a certain 231 00:12:39,867 --> 00:12:42,307 Speaker 3: part of it, you know, I did I did get 232 00:12:42,347 --> 00:12:49,067 Speaker 3: paid via the course, which which you know, that's that's 233 00:12:49,107 --> 00:12:52,707 Speaker 3: more of a chat for at another time. Or attend 234 00:12:52,747 --> 00:12:56,187 Speaker 3: one of my sessions and listen to the detailed stories 235 00:12:56,187 --> 00:12:57,987 Speaker 3: that I do share, but I don't share those stories 236 00:12:57,987 --> 00:12:58,787 Speaker 3: today on the air. 237 00:12:59,067 --> 00:13:02,027 Speaker 2: That's fair enough. Why did you decide to come clean 238 00:13:02,347 --> 00:13:03,827 Speaker 2: and admit your involvement? 239 00:13:05,267 --> 00:13:07,587 Speaker 3: A couple of reasons. First myself. You know, when you 240 00:13:07,627 --> 00:13:09,587 Speaker 3: look in the mirror and you see this double life 241 00:13:09,627 --> 00:13:11,347 Speaker 3: you're living, and you know at the stage I have 242 00:13:11,387 --> 00:13:14,107 Speaker 3: two young daughters and you're trying to teach them, you know, 243 00:13:15,587 --> 00:13:20,347 Speaker 3: trust and being you know, loyal and have good morals, 244 00:13:20,107 --> 00:13:23,067 Speaker 3: and you know, how can you how can you say that? 245 00:13:23,107 --> 00:13:25,747 Speaker 3: And when when you went and you know, cricket gave 246 00:13:25,747 --> 00:13:29,107 Speaker 3: me everything? You know, yeah, I loved it from you know, 247 00:13:29,147 --> 00:13:31,507 Speaker 3: the age of four picking out my first bat and 248 00:13:31,867 --> 00:13:34,587 Speaker 3: and right through you know, to playing against Shane Warn 249 00:13:34,627 --> 00:13:37,387 Speaker 3: and Steve war and scoring one hundred on debut and 250 00:13:37,627 --> 00:13:40,987 Speaker 3: representing my country. You know, it's cricket gave me everything, 251 00:13:41,107 --> 00:13:43,707 Speaker 3: gave me a life. You know, I wasn't mentally or 252 00:13:44,867 --> 00:13:47,987 Speaker 3: prepared for that professional world, and it showed with my 253 00:13:48,027 --> 00:13:50,907 Speaker 3: inconsistencies and certainly you know, the breakdown towards the end. 254 00:13:50,987 --> 00:13:54,347 Speaker 3: I wasn't. I wasn't. I didn't have the tools to 255 00:13:54,387 --> 00:13:56,227 Speaker 3: be able to deal with that professional world. And it's 256 00:13:56,427 --> 00:13:59,267 Speaker 3: it's rather sad because I was clearly good enough and 257 00:13:59,707 --> 00:14:05,867 Speaker 3: to not fulfill my potential was frustrating. So being a parent, 258 00:14:05,907 --> 00:14:08,747 Speaker 3: look at the mirror myself and obviously you know the 259 00:14:08,787 --> 00:14:10,427 Speaker 3: game of cricket itself and what have given me in 260 00:14:10,787 --> 00:14:12,827 Speaker 3: and also the people that did get me involved in 261 00:14:12,827 --> 00:14:15,547 Speaker 3: the spot fixing and to see them heavily involved with 262 00:14:16,027 --> 00:14:21,147 Speaker 3: cricket academies and commentary and other parts cricket was like 263 00:14:21,987 --> 00:14:24,307 Speaker 3: hearing stories of them still recruiting. It was like, well, 264 00:14:24,987 --> 00:14:27,187 Speaker 3: there's four or five reasons why I need to come forward. 265 00:14:27,227 --> 00:14:29,627 Speaker 3: I'd retired. Yeah, there was questions being asked about me, 266 00:14:29,707 --> 00:14:32,187 Speaker 3: but you know, to sit down with Heath Mills and say, hey, 267 00:14:32,187 --> 00:14:35,387 Speaker 3: can we catch up for coffee and jeez, that coffee 268 00:14:35,907 --> 00:14:37,947 Speaker 3: stayed on that table for about eight hours and didn't 269 00:14:37,987 --> 00:14:40,667 Speaker 3: touch it while I shared the stories from from day 270 00:14:40,707 --> 00:14:44,147 Speaker 3: one right through and you know, you know, I didn't 271 00:14:44,827 --> 00:14:48,987 Speaker 3: make any excuses. I've owned it. You know, the consequences 272 00:14:48,987 --> 00:14:52,507 Speaker 3: from from coming forward. I had no idea what was 273 00:14:52,547 --> 00:14:56,227 Speaker 3: going to happen with bands or court cases or you know, 274 00:14:56,347 --> 00:15:00,067 Speaker 3: losing losing respect. And I have lost a lot of 275 00:15:00,267 --> 00:15:03,787 Speaker 3: friends in cricket and that's totally expected. You know, you 276 00:15:03,827 --> 00:15:06,027 Speaker 3: start life again and you know you realize that, you know, 277 00:15:06,107 --> 00:15:08,347 Speaker 3: you you meet a lot of people in that world, 278 00:15:08,387 --> 00:15:10,827 Speaker 3: but you know there's only one or two that stick 279 00:15:10,907 --> 00:15:14,627 Speaker 3: by you through the tough times. And yeah, it's been 280 00:15:14,147 --> 00:15:18,027 Speaker 3: been a real hard road along road since the end 281 00:15:18,067 --> 00:15:20,427 Speaker 3: of my career and when I've to today, it's taken, 282 00:15:20,547 --> 00:15:23,747 Speaker 3: definitely taken to toll. But I'm certainly grateful for the 283 00:15:23,747 --> 00:15:27,147 Speaker 3: people I've attracted to help me through this. And as 284 00:15:27,187 --> 00:15:28,947 Speaker 3: I said, because I didn't make any excuses and I've 285 00:15:28,947 --> 00:15:30,987 Speaker 3: owned it and I've done my time, I sort of 286 00:15:31,027 --> 00:15:33,627 Speaker 3: kind of feel, you know, things are ripening up for 287 00:15:33,667 --> 00:15:37,267 Speaker 3: me now. And you know the Black Clash game Duco 288 00:15:37,347 --> 00:15:39,947 Speaker 3: put on down and christ Church last year, that was huge. 289 00:15:40,147 --> 00:15:43,547 Speaker 3: That was that was a massive nervous occasion for me 290 00:15:43,627 --> 00:15:46,707 Speaker 3: to foot back into the arena and I wasn't quite 291 00:15:46,707 --> 00:15:48,467 Speaker 3: sure what the response was going to be. But you know, 292 00:15:48,707 --> 00:15:51,427 Speaker 3: as an Auckland are walking out on the pitch in 293 00:15:51,507 --> 00:15:54,267 Speaker 3: christ Church and having the Cantabs standing clap year. It 294 00:15:54,347 --> 00:15:58,187 Speaker 3: was again another powerful moment and in my in my 295 00:15:58,707 --> 00:16:02,067 Speaker 3: return into the public. So I'm extremely grateful. 296 00:16:02,747 --> 00:16:05,347 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's it's just awesome that you know, 297 00:16:05,467 --> 00:16:08,627 Speaker 2: we we have you back. I guess we could say 298 00:16:09,587 --> 00:16:12,227 Speaker 2: how tough were the toughest times for you? 299 00:16:13,427 --> 00:16:18,227 Speaker 3: Oh? You know, you understand suicide and you understand possibly 300 00:16:18,227 --> 00:16:20,987 Speaker 3: why people do it, and you know, you go to 301 00:16:20,987 --> 00:16:24,107 Speaker 3: some pretty dark places when you know you're not you're 302 00:16:24,107 --> 00:16:26,987 Speaker 3: not proud of the person that you've become. And it's 303 00:16:26,987 --> 00:16:29,507 Speaker 3: funny when you when you're sort of labeled something, all 304 00:16:29,507 --> 00:16:32,147 Speaker 3: of a sudden, everyone else thinks you're you know, it's 305 00:16:32,267 --> 00:16:35,267 Speaker 3: very quick to throw other labels at you. And and 306 00:16:35,547 --> 00:16:37,827 Speaker 3: you know when you're down, people love kicking you down 307 00:16:37,867 --> 00:16:41,587 Speaker 3: and keeping you down. And you know, it's like I said, 308 00:16:41,787 --> 00:16:46,587 Speaker 3: I'm here today. I've been resilient. You know, every time 309 00:16:46,627 --> 00:16:48,627 Speaker 3: I did look in the mirror, there was that moment 310 00:16:48,627 --> 00:16:51,307 Speaker 3: of what have I done? I just kept quiet. But no, 311 00:16:51,427 --> 00:16:54,307 Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I wouldn't change anything because where I'm at 312 00:16:54,347 --> 00:16:58,627 Speaker 3: today with a beautiful wife and a son, my son, Vinnie, 313 00:16:58,667 --> 00:17:02,747 Speaker 3: he's eighteen eighteen months old. And you know my daughters 314 00:17:02,787 --> 00:17:06,187 Speaker 3: do in a couple of weeks. You know, the right 315 00:17:06,427 --> 00:17:09,787 Speaker 3: with my two teenage daughters is a strange as strange unfortunately, 316 00:17:09,867 --> 00:17:14,067 Speaker 3: and dealing with alienation as a parent. It was you know, 317 00:17:14,107 --> 00:17:16,107 Speaker 3: the cricket stuff was hard, but to go through family 318 00:17:16,147 --> 00:17:23,787 Speaker 3: court and to live without your daughters around, it's frustrating. 319 00:17:23,827 --> 00:17:27,987 Speaker 3: But like I said, where I am today second chart 320 00:17:28,027 --> 00:17:32,107 Speaker 3: to the family, it's simple life and a drama free life. 321 00:17:32,107 --> 00:17:38,267 Speaker 3: And you know, stoke to be invited to these events 322 00:17:38,307 --> 00:17:41,747 Speaker 3: where we can really share my stories to help associations 323 00:17:41,987 --> 00:17:45,147 Speaker 3: and the integrity and sport around the world as. 324 00:17:44,947 --> 00:17:47,107 Speaker 2: You have today. Just while I've got you, I want 325 00:17:47,107 --> 00:17:50,427 Speaker 2: to ask about your test debut Australia. Australia at the 326 00:17:50,427 --> 00:17:52,347 Speaker 2: whack Are You're twenty three years old. You walk out 327 00:17:52,347 --> 00:17:54,147 Speaker 2: to open the batting on the first morning with rigor. 328 00:17:54,547 --> 00:17:57,147 Speaker 2: He gets out in the sixth over. After six overs, 329 00:17:57,227 --> 00:18:00,747 Speaker 2: you're still on nought. The Matthew Sinclair gets out. You're 330 00:18:00,787 --> 00:18:03,387 Speaker 2: nineteen for two. But then it all turns around. You 331 00:18:03,387 --> 00:18:06,347 Speaker 2: get one hundred. What stands out most about that day. 332 00:18:07,227 --> 00:18:12,907 Speaker 3: Steve all knew my name before, before my before my 333 00:18:12,947 --> 00:18:14,587 Speaker 3: first ball. You take guard and you look up and 334 00:18:14,627 --> 00:18:16,547 Speaker 3: you see Glen mcgart at the top of the top 335 00:18:16,547 --> 00:18:18,307 Speaker 3: of us run up and you can't see any Australians 336 00:18:18,347 --> 00:18:21,707 Speaker 3: until you look behind the stumps and there's Gillesians, seven slips, 337 00:18:21,707 --> 00:18:23,787 Speaker 3: all clapping their hands, chewing the chewing gum, and Steve 338 00:18:23,787 --> 00:18:25,547 Speaker 3: will walks up to me and goes, hey, Lou, everybody 339 00:18:25,587 --> 00:18:28,067 Speaker 3: gets it duck in their first game. And I just 340 00:18:28,107 --> 00:18:30,987 Speaker 3: remember walking down to Rigor and say, Steve all knows 341 00:18:30,987 --> 00:18:34,307 Speaker 3: my name, I'd like to get his autograph. 342 00:18:34,507 --> 00:18:37,827 Speaker 2: It's amazing. But the bowling attack, as you say, mcgrag Allspie, 343 00:18:38,267 --> 00:18:41,227 Speaker 2: britt Lee, you know, one hundred and sixty clicks, Shane 344 00:18:41,267 --> 00:18:42,707 Speaker 2: Warn but you get a hundred. 345 00:18:42,787 --> 00:18:47,947 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, hey listen, it's it's it's a dream, dream 346 00:18:47,987 --> 00:18:51,467 Speaker 3: come true. And you know it's obviously I got one hundred, 347 00:18:51,467 --> 00:18:53,787 Speaker 3: and everyone else thought, well out of Fluke can get 348 00:18:53,787 --> 00:18:56,547 Speaker 3: a hundred, and then four other guys got hundreds that 349 00:18:56,667 --> 00:18:59,307 Speaker 3: day as well, so it was pretty easy. I think 350 00:18:59,347 --> 00:19:01,707 Speaker 3: that Australians were, hey, who knows, no if I won't 351 00:19:01,747 --> 00:19:04,067 Speaker 3: say that, but no, no, it was. It was. It 352 00:19:04,147 --> 00:19:07,347 Speaker 3: was an incredible chest match for News Beyond overall, and 353 00:19:07,627 --> 00:19:09,707 Speaker 3: we came so close in that last day when Gillespie 354 00:19:09,747 --> 00:19:11,627 Speaker 3: gloved it down the eag side forty minutes a day 355 00:19:11,667 --> 00:19:15,147 Speaker 3: with Brettlee and McGrath in the hut. We you know, 356 00:19:15,507 --> 00:19:17,467 Speaker 3: things could have been different than if the umpire put 357 00:19:17,467 --> 00:19:21,827 Speaker 3: stuff this finger up, but no, just just fantastic and 358 00:19:21,907 --> 00:19:25,747 Speaker 3: so many great stories. At the MCG last week, my 359 00:19:25,827 --> 00:19:27,787 Speaker 3: introduction was to say it was good to be back here. 360 00:19:27,867 --> 00:19:29,667 Speaker 3: The last time I was here, I faced the world's 361 00:19:29,667 --> 00:19:32,627 Speaker 3: fastest bo one hundred and sixty one point five hilling 362 00:19:32,747 --> 00:19:34,307 Speaker 3: is an hour from Sean Tate hit me twice on 363 00:19:34,307 --> 00:19:36,267 Speaker 3: the leg and I looked in my pants and I 364 00:19:36,347 --> 00:19:37,627 Speaker 3: drew it on with a vivid and I said, look, 365 00:19:37,627 --> 00:19:41,627 Speaker 3: I've still got the bruise to prove it. I got. 366 00:19:41,667 --> 00:19:43,187 Speaker 3: I've got to smile. I've got to smile out of 367 00:19:43,187 --> 00:19:45,747 Speaker 3: the cops. You don't have to get cops giggling. So 368 00:19:45,867 --> 00:19:47,827 Speaker 3: it was, it was it's good to share some fun 369 00:19:47,867 --> 00:19:50,827 Speaker 3: stories as well as the dark stories. And that's I 370 00:19:50,867 --> 00:19:53,227 Speaker 3: think all your listeners can relate to that. You know, 371 00:19:53,427 --> 00:19:55,987 Speaker 3: you need bad times to make the good times better. 372 00:19:56,027 --> 00:19:59,067 Speaker 3: And you know it grounds us when we are, you know, 373 00:19:59,227 --> 00:20:02,627 Speaker 3: sort of at our lowest points in life to reassesst 374 00:20:02,747 --> 00:20:05,587 Speaker 3: life and where we want to get to and you 375 00:20:05,627 --> 00:20:07,987 Speaker 3: know again that's that's my role in life now is 376 00:20:08,027 --> 00:20:09,987 Speaker 3: to help as many people as I can. 377 00:20:11,027 --> 00:20:13,507 Speaker 2: Just to wrap this loew And it's been brilliant chatting 378 00:20:13,507 --> 00:20:16,747 Speaker 2: to your mate, and you've been so so honest and authentic. 379 00:20:17,507 --> 00:20:22,787 Speaker 2: What is your what is your relationship with cricket now? Uh? 380 00:20:24,907 --> 00:20:31,227 Speaker 3: You know, very rarely do I reach out to any players. 381 00:20:32,827 --> 00:20:34,907 Speaker 3: You know, I'm grateful for guys I've been McCullum that have, 382 00:20:35,027 --> 00:20:36,627 Speaker 3: you know, sort of stood up and had to go through, 383 00:20:36,827 --> 00:20:40,107 Speaker 3: you know, the case with me, and he showed support 384 00:20:40,507 --> 00:20:43,027 Speaker 3: and he's gone on to some pretty great achievements. Stephen Fleming, 385 00:20:43,827 --> 00:20:46,507 Speaker 3: you know Daniel Toy last year. You know, when I 386 00:20:46,547 --> 00:20:50,027 Speaker 3: see him, it's it's great. But you know, will I 387 00:20:50,107 --> 00:20:54,147 Speaker 3: be a coach commentator? Probably not. I'm you know, I 388 00:20:54,387 --> 00:20:56,347 Speaker 3: think I'll just be doing some work behind the scenes. 389 00:20:57,227 --> 00:20:58,907 Speaker 3: But I just want to be a good person to 390 00:20:59,227 --> 00:21:03,227 Speaker 3: my family and the closest around me, so we'll see. 391 00:21:03,227 --> 00:21:06,267 Speaker 3: I'm not forcing anything. I'm just letting it organically play out. 392 00:21:07,947 --> 00:21:08,027 Speaker 1: Lo. 393 00:21:08,187 --> 00:21:10,587 Speaker 2: It's been brilliant getting the chance to chat to you mate, 394 00:21:10,587 --> 00:21:12,987 Speaker 2: exciting time of head as you as you look forward 395 00:21:13,027 --> 00:21:15,027 Speaker 2: to a new arrival into your life as well. And 396 00:21:15,067 --> 00:21:18,147 Speaker 2: become a dad for the fourth time again. Mate, I 397 00:21:18,227 --> 00:21:20,547 Speaker 2: appreciate you your being so honest and open with us 398 00:21:20,547 --> 00:21:21,027 Speaker 2: this afternoon. 399 00:21:21,067 --> 00:21:21,187 Speaker 3: Mate. 400 00:21:21,227 --> 00:21:22,627 Speaker 2: I know our listeners would have got a lot out 401 00:21:22,667 --> 00:21:24,107 Speaker 2: of it and would have loved hearing from you again. 402 00:21:24,707 --> 00:21:26,587 Speaker 3: Yeah, and like I said this week, we just got 403 00:21:26,587 --> 00:21:28,787 Speaker 3: to do everything we can to keep a checking sport 404 00:21:28,987 --> 00:21:31,347 Speaker 3: because you know, we just don't want to see, you 405 00:21:31,467 --> 00:21:34,067 Speaker 3: see in anyone go through what I've been through and 406 00:21:34,427 --> 00:21:37,107 Speaker 3: the sport doesn't need it. So yeah, onwards it upwards. 407 00:21:37,147 --> 00:21:39,027 Speaker 3: All the best of you, Loo, Chez Chas and all 408 00:21:39,027 --> 00:21:40,227 Speaker 3: the best everybody out there as well. 409 00:21:40,307 --> 00:21:43,947 Speaker 1: Thank you for more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. 410 00:21:44,067 --> 00:21:47,347 Speaker 1: Listen live to News Talk zed B weekends from midday 411 00:21:47,587 --> 00:21:49,707 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.