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Speaker 2: Yard and New Zealand. Good morning and welcome to News

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Speaker 2: Dogs EDB. Jack Taane with you through to midday today.

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Speaker 2: You know how the police say get better work stories? Well,

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Speaker 2: how are these for work stories? Watching Sylvester Stallone on

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Speaker 2: a movie set, milking cows on an Amish dairy farm,

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Speaker 2: watching open heart surgery, visiting death row, spending time in

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Speaker 2: a hardcore Arizona jail, racing huskies across the Alaskan wilderness,

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Speaker 2: meeting up with the chief rocket scientist for NASA. How

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Speaker 2: are those for work stories? Those are the work stories

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Speaker 2: that our guest after ten o'clock this morning will boast

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Speaker 2: as part of her everyday gig. Author Jodi Picot is

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Speaker 2: a New York Times best selling author about a thousand

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Speaker 2: times over, well like literally one of the world's most

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Speaker 2: popular authors. And she's one of those authors who defines

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Speaker 2: her work by doing the most thorough research possible. So

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Speaker 2: I'm going to ask her about some of those experiences

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Speaker 2: into new book when she joins us after ten, as

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Speaker 2: well as that this morning we are going to do

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Speaker 2: the maths. We're going to run the algorithm and work

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Speaker 2: out if the Warriors have any mathematical chance of making

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Speaker 2: the playoffs. I'll tell you what it is. Starting to

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Speaker 2: get into act of God territory, I think, plus, of course,

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Speaker 2: the all backs counting down to that check off tonight,

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Speaker 2: Eden Park against Argentina as they look to exact some

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Speaker 2: vengeance from last week's performance. Right now, though it's nine

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Speaker 3: Jack team of all.

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Speaker 2: The global stars to rise from this year's Olympics, Simone Biles,

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Speaker 2: Katie Ladecki, Dame Lisa Carrington, you would have to say

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Speaker 2: that thirty six year old Macquarie University lecturer Rachel Gunn

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Speaker 2: is perhaps the unlikeliest ray Gun as per her stage

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Speaker 2: name is a true icon of these times, not because

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Speaker 2: she competed in the most modern of Olympic sports breaking,

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Speaker 2: but because, through the power of the Internet, her efforts

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Speaker 2: have become arguably the most recognizable of the entire Olympic Games.

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Speaker 2: If you haven't seen Raygun's performance, honestly, I don't know

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Speaker 2: where you've been. All I know is you definitely don't

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Speaker 2: have social media because the flood of clips and memes

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Speaker 2: celebrate remixing and or mocking her dancing has completely inundated

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Speaker 2: every bite of every feed on every platform. When most

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Speaker 2: of us think of breakdancing or breaking, we think of

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Speaker 2: incredibly athletic people spinning and twisting, you know, we think

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Speaker 2: of spinning, headstands, head slides, one handed, body freezers. Really

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Speaker 2: good breaking is basically just elite gymnastics set to hip hop, right,

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Speaker 2: But Reygun didn't do that stuff. She openly admits she

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Speaker 2: can't do that stuff. Instead, she did a range of

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Speaker 2: well pumps and thrusts that honestly wouldn't have been physically

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Speaker 2: beyond the reach of many of those people watching. You know,

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Speaker 2: for all those people who think that the Olympics would

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Speaker 2: be improved by having a mere mortal compete with the

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Speaker 2: elite athletes, you know, just to give you perspective on

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Speaker 2: how good they those athletes really are. I think anyone

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Speaker 2: who saw ray Gun's signature move the kangaroo would have

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Speaker 2: to agree that, yeah, yep, this was that. Part of me,

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Speaker 2: part of me really admires her chutzpa, just imagine for

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Speaker 2: a moment, having the confidence to go to the Olympic Games,

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Speaker 2: to go to the Olympics only to pull out a

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Speaker 2: dance routine reminiscent of Jack Tame at the Grumpy Mole

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Speaker 2: circa two thousand and three. It's unbelievable. Internet culture has

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Speaker 2: a way of fixating on a person or a moment,

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Speaker 2: you know, with kind of maximum intensity right, only to

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Speaker 2: the public shaming aspect, you would have to say, would

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Speaker 2: be very hard for anyone to endure, no matter their confidence.

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Speaker 2: Ray Gun is a global icon this week, but soon

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Speaker 2: enough the Internet will move on. I'll tell you what, though,

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Speaker 2: I think there will be one and during impact from

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Speaker 2: that caught my eye. It was of a ridiculously good

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Speaker 2: breaker twisting and springing and you know, spinning like a

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Speaker 2: like a like a gymnast on a pommel horse, right,

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Speaker 2: like it was really amazing. Who is this? Where is this?

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Speaker 2: I wondered, and then I realized it was the Olympics.

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Speaker 2: Raygun's performance was so extraordinary it has completely overshadowed the

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Speaker 2: medalists in her sport. So many more people have seen

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Speaker 2: the kangaroo than have seen the actual winning performances. Can

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Speaker 2: you name an Olympic breakdancing medalist? It's funny, right you

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Speaker 2: remember the IOC said openly they wanted to bring new

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Speaker 2: weighing up breaking's inclusion in any future games, the fact

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Speaker 2: that very few of us will recall more than a

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Speaker 2: plucky Aussie and a tucked in tracksuit does not bode

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Speaker 2: well for the Olympic future of the sport. Nine two

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Speaker 2: pumas tonight. Right now, it's fourteen minutes past nine. Kevin

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Speaker 2: I think I for your messages this morning, Jack Well

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Speaker 2: said a good observation in your comment this morning. I

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Speaker 2: only realized when you were speaking, I haven't actually seen

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Speaker 2: any of the really good breakdownswers from the Olympics. I've

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Speaker 2: seen Raygun plenty of times, but I don't think after

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Speaker 2: all of this that breaking is going to be back

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Speaker 2: at the Games. Thank you for that, Peter, Who's took

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Speaker 4: Um.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to get to more of your messages very shortly.

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Speaker 2: But Kevin mil is with us. First things first.

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Speaker 5: This morning you go to Kevin kell a Jack, What

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Speaker 5: an awful fort Jack tame at the grumpy Mole.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it's not not a pretty one in

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to be too critical of Raygun because

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Speaker 2: of got it like an egg beater. Someone said once

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Speaker 2: that it was like a watching an albatross on stilts, right,

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Speaker 2: So not pretty. But that being said, it is just amazing,

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Speaker 2: you know, how you have these kind of little cultural moments,

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Speaker 2: and you know, heading into the Games, I don't think

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Speaker 2: many people would have expected thirty six year old university

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Speaker 2: the Games. But here we are.

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Speaker 5: I'm one of those who haven't seen seen her either.

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Speaker 5: I've seen her name in print for it many times,

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Speaker 5: but now you've given me an excellent context. I'm going

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Speaker 5: to I don't.

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Speaker 2: Know, Kevin. You can't have been on social media all

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Speaker 2: of this week. Literally every single social media post this

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Speaker 2: week has been Raygun has been her doing the Kangaroo.

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Speaker 5: I think I may have seen it, but just not

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Speaker 5: kind of reacted because they didn't have your piece. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's now given me a reason to actually watch it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there you go. And you've been reflecting on

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Speaker 2: the Olympics a bit as well, Kevin. You've been wondering

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Speaker 2: if actually competitive sport at the very highest level is

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, when I supported my daughter Tommy and her

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Speaker 5: for training it ridiculously early hours. You'll remember I used

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Speaker 5: another sport, I mean something non competitive, painting, photography, playing

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Speaker 5: in a band, A skillful life. Sure, being a great

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Speaker 5: four years. As it turned out, Tommy stayed in competitive

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Speaker 5: But I came away feeling I'd seen a lot of tears,

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Speaker 5: a lot of buster disappointment. I don't know about competitive

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Speaker 5: you win, you're given something tougher to beat, and this

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Speaker 5: nearly everyone finally gets beaten. We rightly celebrate the winners,

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Speaker 5: getting all the way to the Olympics was worth it?

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Speaker 5: Are the more useful ways to direct that extraordinary level

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Speaker 5: With respect to the ancient Greeks, I think that might

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there are, Kevin. That being said, I'll push

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Speaker 2: back your pushback on you with a couple of points.

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Speaker 2: First of all, I think there are lots of intangible

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Speaker 2: teach you, right, Like Tommy must have learned so many

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Speaker 2: skills about discipline and organization and self management, lots of

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: I also wonder if the reason we love watching sport

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Speaker 2: in a forum that doesn't really matter. So you get

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Speaker 2: And actually there's something deeply human about being able to

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Speaker 5: I don't know, that's just the entertainment really from our

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Speaker 5: effect on the participants. Yeah, and they're not they're not

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Speaker 5: paid actors, no, of course. Well, I wonder your first point. First,

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Speaker 2: Think, I think, I think they've become then. I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying all sports are perfect, but they've definitely become more

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Speaker 2: especially as you know, sport gets more and more money

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Speaker 2: My theory with Raygun is that she was being her

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Speaker 2: But fourteen o'clock on News Talks, heab We're going to

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Speaker 5: Last week night meant that the Pumas would stick with

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Speaker 5: For I thought, I thought, this isn't I remember break dancing.

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Speaker 2: The game tonight. That's right. I don't know why that

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Speaker 3: He'd be.

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Speaker 2: in My Life, Very poppy, yay, very upbeat. Follows had

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Speaker 2: this morning, killed, How are you feeling about ray Gun?

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Speaker 8: Are you trying to talk you about that? Because warning age,

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Speaker 2: don't you think how Francesca. It kind of talks to

431
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Speaker 2: the the things that get people's attention. They wanted to

432
00:24:04,933 --> 00:24:06,893
Speaker 2: bring new audiences to the game, and I think ray

433
00:24:06,933 --> 00:24:09,853
Speaker 2: Gun has definitely achieved that. Anyway, let's talk about this

434
00:24:09,893 --> 00:24:11,853
Speaker 2: week's films. We'll have a listen to one that is

435
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Speaker 2: showing at the New Zealand International Film Festival. This is

436
00:24:15,373 --> 00:24:25,933
Speaker 2: the hardest line. We wanted to write material that ed

437
00:24:25,973 --> 00:24:28,173
Speaker 2: you write in the face and say this is the truth.

438
00:24:31,093 --> 00:24:32,613
Speaker 2: You need to lend your voice to things.

439
00:24:32,973 --> 00:24:35,413
Speaker 3: You can't stay silent, even if.

440
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Speaker 9: You're pushed to the walls on the things that you

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Speaker 9: believe in.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's the hardest line. It's showing at the International

443
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Speaker 2: Film Festival and it's a doco on Midnight Oil. Tell

444
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Speaker 2: us about it.

445
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Speaker 8: Francisco Comentary should do the variety of things, right, it

446
00:24:54,733 --> 00:24:58,093
Speaker 8: should reveal to us.

447
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Speaker 2: Okay, Francisca, I'm sorry, I'm going to interrupt you right there.

448
00:25:00,973 --> 00:25:04,373
Speaker 2: For whatever reason, we have a terrible connection with your line.

449
00:25:04,413 --> 00:25:05,893
Speaker 2: So we'll just see if we can get that sorted

450
00:25:05,933 --> 00:25:07,973
Speaker 2: out and then we'll come back and get your thoughts

451
00:25:08,013 --> 00:25:09,933
Speaker 2: on that in just a moment. Yeah, So the Hardest

452
00:25:09,973 --> 00:25:13,093
Speaker 2: Line is showing the National Film Festival. It's about Midnight

453
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Speaker 2: Oil and it's got heaps of really good old archival

454
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Speaker 2: footage of Manata Oil performing. So yeah, if you are

455
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Speaker 2: a Midnight Oil fan or you want to, you know,

456
00:25:24,853 --> 00:25:28,333
Speaker 2: go and go and follow them from the earliest days

457
00:25:28,413 --> 00:25:31,893
Speaker 2: through their incredible rise, The Hardest Line could be a

458
00:25:32,013 --> 00:25:35,493
Speaker 2: very good option. Also, after ten o'clock this morning, as

459
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Speaker 2: well as our interview with Jody Pico very much looking

460
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Speaker 2: forward to that, we're going to tell you about this

461
00:25:39,773 --> 00:25:42,893
Speaker 2: amazing new docco it's called the Chloe Ailing Story. Remember

462
00:25:42,933 --> 00:25:47,293
Speaker 2: she was that model who was kidnapped and ended up

463
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Speaker 2: being released and became a kind of media sensation. But

464
00:25:51,213 --> 00:25:54,053
Speaker 2: there's so much detail around that high profile case that

465
00:25:54,093 --> 00:25:55,573
Speaker 2: we don't really know a whole lot about. So we're

466
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Speaker 2: going to explain that to you after ten o'clock this morning,

467
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Speaker 2: but we reckon Franchisca is back and that the mine

468
00:26:00,213 --> 00:26:08,933
Speaker 2: is good. Are you there now? Say Peter Piper pick

469
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Speaker 2: of Papers. What did he do.

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Speaker 5: The read to.

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Speaker 6: Get on and talk about?

472
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Speaker 10: I really love this film. I really do love this film,

473
00:26:18,333 --> 00:26:20,573
Speaker 10: and I think I love a good music documentary. And

474
00:26:20,893 --> 00:26:22,573
Speaker 10: as I was saying, it should do a variety of

475
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Speaker 10: things that should reveal you information for us. It should

476
00:26:25,693 --> 00:26:29,213
Speaker 10: appeal to a broader audience than just a fan base

477
00:26:29,333 --> 00:26:32,773
Speaker 10: of that particular band or artist. And it should also

478
00:26:32,933 --> 00:26:37,213
Speaker 10: have you immediately when you finished it, kind of visiting

479
00:26:37,493 --> 00:26:40,373
Speaker 10: the band or the artist's music. And that absolutely happened

480
00:26:40,413 --> 00:26:43,013
Speaker 10: with the Hardest Line for me tells the story of

481
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Speaker 10: Midnight Oil for the first time. Of course, these guys

482
00:26:47,293 --> 00:26:51,293
Speaker 10: kind of hit the seventies pop rock scene in Sydney.

483
00:26:52,173 --> 00:26:56,133
Speaker 10: They were they sort of had this hard driving sound,

484
00:26:56,213 --> 00:26:59,133
Speaker 10: was socially where lyrics. They very much reflected what was

485
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Speaker 10: happening in Australia. They were sort of young people rebellion

486
00:27:02,813 --> 00:27:05,933
Speaker 10: gainst politics and all sorts of bits and pieces. What

487
00:27:06,013 --> 00:27:08,533
Speaker 10: I love about this doco was that everyone's involved. So

488
00:27:08,613 --> 00:27:11,733
Speaker 10: the band is involved. They take us through the story

489
00:27:11,773 --> 00:27:15,333
Speaker 10: and how they started, how they developed, how albums and

490
00:27:15,373 --> 00:27:19,213
Speaker 10: their sound changed, the highs and the lows. And the

491
00:27:19,253 --> 00:27:21,693
Speaker 10: great thing about it is they're not just talking heads.

492
00:27:21,693 --> 00:27:23,893
Speaker 10: They're not just people sitting in a studio talking us.

493
00:27:23,933 --> 00:27:27,973
Speaker 10: Through this story. They've found some incredible archive footage which

494
00:27:28,173 --> 00:27:31,893
Speaker 10: accompanies their narrations, so you really kind of get a

495
00:27:31,973 --> 00:27:36,133
Speaker 10: sense of who this band was. It's entertaining and it

496
00:27:36,213 --> 00:27:37,613
Speaker 10: kind of takes you on a little bit of a

497
00:27:37,693 --> 00:27:41,053
Speaker 10: ride through a period of time as well, and it takes,

498
00:27:41,053 --> 00:27:43,893
Speaker 10: as they said, that sort of you know, we follow

499
00:27:43,933 --> 00:27:46,133
Speaker 10: the band and we also followed their musical development, We

500
00:27:46,173 --> 00:27:49,413
Speaker 10: follow Peter garretton to politics, and then of course we

501
00:27:49,493 --> 00:27:51,573
Speaker 10: take a look at some of those really memorable moments

502
00:27:51,613 --> 00:27:54,213
Speaker 10: where they did protests and things, and of course probably

503
00:27:54,213 --> 00:27:56,333
Speaker 10: the two thousand Sydney Olympics will come to mind for

504
00:27:56,413 --> 00:27:59,453
Speaker 10: people when they came out wearing like black pajamas or

505
00:27:59,453 --> 00:28:02,133
Speaker 10: black sweatpants with sorry written on them.

506
00:28:02,533 --> 00:28:04,293
Speaker 11: Yeah, because of course they had.

507
00:28:04,373 --> 00:28:08,813
Speaker 10: They were very, very outspoken about the relationship between Australia

508
00:28:08,853 --> 00:28:11,413
Speaker 10: and its averige nes and things like that. So it's

509
00:28:11,413 --> 00:28:13,933
Speaker 10: a wonderful doco. It's really really well done.

510
00:28:14,013 --> 00:28:15,733
Speaker 6: You don't have to be a fan in Midnight Oil.

511
00:28:15,773 --> 00:28:18,053
Speaker 10: It is playing in the New zeal At International Film Festival.

512
00:28:18,333 --> 00:28:20,133
Speaker 10: I am crossing my fingers it will come back because

513
00:28:20,173 --> 00:28:22,133
Speaker 10: I think it's really going to appeal to a kivy audience.

514
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Speaker 2: That sounds so good. That sounds great. So that's the

515
00:28:25,373 --> 00:28:27,733
Speaker 2: hardest line. I'm glad that we're able to get you

516
00:28:27,773 --> 00:28:29,973
Speaker 2: on a bit of line to explain that. Francisca, let's

517
00:28:29,973 --> 00:28:37,293
Speaker 2: have another listen to the Instigators.

518
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Speaker 3: The mayor.

519
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Speaker 7: It's going to be holding our party on election night

520
00:28:38,933 --> 00:28:40,933
Speaker 7: and there's going to be money there like none of

521
00:28:40,973 --> 00:28:41,853
Speaker 7: your bombs have ever seen.

522
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Speaker 3: It's sure first, Joe, I know what I'm doing. I'll

523
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Speaker 3: lead for a Christian Yeah, there's sixty quick question. If

524
00:28:48,653 --> 00:28:51,173
Speaker 3: I'm doing instructions and they're not do enough.

525
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Speaker 2: Just see hey have a gun. Okay. This is The Instigators,

526
00:28:54,813 --> 00:28:57,973
Speaker 2: the highest film starring Matt Damon and Casey Affleck. It's

527
00:28:57,973 --> 00:28:59,533
Speaker 2: on Apple TV. Plas tell us about it.

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00:29:00,413 --> 00:29:04,213
Speaker 10: This is kind of a light, pretty low comedy host

529
00:29:04,693 --> 00:29:07,373
Speaker 10: It's directed by Doug Lyman. This is the third project

530
00:29:07,413 --> 00:29:09,813
Speaker 10: he's done with Matt Damon. They were responsible for The

531
00:29:09,853 --> 00:29:13,453
Speaker 10: Born Identity and the film kind of starts down a

532
00:29:13,493 --> 00:29:16,533
Speaker 10: little bit of Oceans eleven and you think, oh, okay, cool.

533
00:29:16,373 --> 00:29:17,133
Speaker 6: Where's this going to go?

534
00:29:17,373 --> 00:29:21,133
Speaker 10: But this is not kind of the slick or swanky

535
00:29:21,773 --> 00:29:24,253
Speaker 10: heist film that you're used to, And it's not kind

536
00:29:24,293 --> 00:29:26,653
Speaker 10: of you know, the Bourne Identity was so sort of

537
00:29:26,693 --> 00:29:29,933
Speaker 10: breasthtaking with the action that it provided us and everything.

538
00:29:30,053 --> 00:29:32,653
Speaker 10: This is not that film. This is a very This

539
00:29:32,813 --> 00:29:34,693
Speaker 10: is a film about a couple of guys played as

540
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Speaker 10: you said, by Matt Damon and Casey Affleck, who really

541
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Speaker 10: are quite useless. So this is a heist that goes wrong.

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00:29:40,693 --> 00:29:47,173
Speaker 10: We're in Boston. There's kind of a grip to it.

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Speaker 10: And to be honest with you, I kind of got

544
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Speaker 10: to the end of film and I went all the

545
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Speaker 10: point of that.

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Speaker 11: Ye, I'm not really sure.

547
00:29:53,733 --> 00:29:55,853
Speaker 10: I'm not really sure. We had a lot of fun.

548
00:29:56,013 --> 00:29:58,813
Speaker 10: There's lots of great lines between the two of them.

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00:29:58,893 --> 00:30:02,253
Speaker 10: They get on brilliantly. The performance of the Fabulous It's

550
00:30:02,493 --> 00:30:06,173
Speaker 10: packed with great cabinos and performances by all sorts of

551
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Speaker 10: peace people.

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Speaker 8: But at the end of it, kind of what's the

553
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Speaker 8: point of that?

554
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Speaker 10: And I think the point of it was it's to

555
00:30:11,413 --> 00:30:13,133
Speaker 10: have a lot of fun and to remind us that

556
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Speaker 10: crime doesn't pay. I think if you settle into this film, don't,

557
00:30:16,613 --> 00:30:19,013
Speaker 10: as I say, expect it to be slick and slanky.

558
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Speaker 10: Like we've sort of seen from these guys before. This

559
00:30:21,973 --> 00:30:24,813
Speaker 10: is a film where they kind of underplay it. It's

560
00:30:24,893 --> 00:30:28,453
Speaker 10: quite deadpan. Casey affleckx mumble really get to me. It's

561
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Speaker 10: more just to kind of sit back and watch these

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Speaker 10: watchers kind of unfold. It's a bit of light entertainment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, Okay, cool. That's the Instigators. That's on Apple TV.

564
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Speaker 2: Plus The Hardest Line is the one showing in the

565
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Speaker 2: New Zealand International Film Festival. And you know how I's

566
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Speaker 2: telling you about that TV show, the Chloe Ailing Story,

567
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Speaker 2: the documentary series. We're going to have more details on

568
00:30:47,573 --> 00:30:50,133
Speaker 2: that for you after ten o'clock this morning. Right now,

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Speaker 2: it is quarter to.

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Speaker 1: Ten Saturday Mornings with Jack Ta keeping the conversation going

571
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Speaker 1: through the weekend with bpure dot cot dots here for

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Speaker 1: high quality supplements used.

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Speaker 2: Talking Greg So critic Raygun scammed every Aussie a free

574
00:31:04,733 --> 00:31:08,533
Speaker 2: ride to the Olympics. He says, Cress reckons that it's

575
00:31:08,573 --> 00:31:10,973
Speaker 2: all a big social experiment. You said she's got a PhD.

576
00:31:11,093 --> 00:31:12,973
Speaker 2: Jack part of me wouldn't be surprised if it ends

577
00:31:13,053 --> 00:31:15,653
Speaker 2: up being a massive experiment. We're going to see lots

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00:31:15,733 --> 00:31:18,213
Speaker 2: and lots of academic papers written about this in years

579
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Speaker 2: to come. Thank you for your feedback. Ninety two, ninety two.

580
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Speaker 2: I know that our cook, Nicky Wiks will be much

581
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Speaker 2: less cynical about ray Gun's breakout performance at the Olympic

582
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Speaker 2: Games and her subsequent in for me, good morning.

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Speaker 12: Good morning, ray Gun, sway Gun.

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Speaker 13: I mean, you know whatever.

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Speaker 2: That's the spirit.

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Speaker 12: I still enjoyed watching that. I watched I watched Nadia Komenichi,

587
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Speaker 12: Oh yeah, years banging a stick on the ground, and

588
00:31:42,733 --> 00:31:43,933
Speaker 12: that was just fantastic.

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00:31:46,213 --> 00:31:48,253
Speaker 2: That was a bit of a highlight for But anyway, hey,

590
00:31:49,013 --> 00:31:51,813
Speaker 2: we're talking abouts this morning, which is great, very timely,

591
00:31:51,853 --> 00:31:54,133
Speaker 2: because I got home last night late from work. Friday

592
00:31:54,213 --> 00:31:55,893
Speaker 2: is always a mession for me. Got home from work,

593
00:31:56,013 --> 00:31:58,773
Speaker 2: was freezing cold. We had nothing in the house, or

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Speaker 2: at least I thought we had nothing, because we had

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Speaker 2: a couple of hand of lentils. I had about a

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Speaker 2: third a stick of charzzo, a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: couple of couple of spices, a little bit of garlic bobs.

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Speaker 2: Your uncle delicious the things is you can just turn

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Speaker 2: a meal out of nothing. Yeah, but you can can

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Speaker 2: and yeah, and.

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Speaker 12: Look, I just love to hear that because that is

602
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Speaker 12: a pantry staple used well. And we often think, oh,

603
00:32:23,173 --> 00:32:25,053
Speaker 12: we've got nothing in the house, what rubbish we have.

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00:32:25,213 --> 00:32:28,613
Speaker 12: We've got plenty. We're holding stock, as I say, people

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Speaker 12: with our cans and that, and I think legooms, chickpeas,

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00:32:32,613 --> 00:32:34,533
Speaker 12: you know, all those sort of things are just you know,

607
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Speaker 12: the beans and all that kind of thing are fantastic.

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Speaker 12: Lentils They've got a bit of a bad rap. I

609
00:32:38,733 --> 00:32:41,213
Speaker 12: love them to bits, and you're right. They make a

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Speaker 12: really satisfying meal, packed full of protein, packedful of amino

611
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Speaker 12: acids that our body needs. So let's face it, we

612
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Speaker 12: are not talking about these being an option in your diet.

613
00:32:50,093 --> 00:32:54,733
Speaker 12: They're actually necessary. Not eating some beans, some chickpeas, frozen

614
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Speaker 12: peas they count, or lentails, your body is actually not

615
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Speaker 12: getting something that it really needs every single week. So

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Speaker 12: it's like not drinking water.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't think of it.

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Speaker 12: But look, I've got a roastby chicken lent tools and

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Speaker 12: this is just an absolutely beautiful dish. It's it's just

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Speaker 12: to stand by in my house. Look, I've scaled this

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Speaker 12: up a bit to serve about four people, and it

622
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Speaker 12: takes a whole tin of lentours, because sometimes it's a

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Speaker 12: pain to have half a tin lent around. I hate

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Speaker 12: some oil in a and a saucepan, and I brown

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Speaker 12: the chicken. I add into the and then I can

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Speaker 12: take the chicken out if you like. And then you

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Speaker 12: know if you want to brown the onions and carrots

628
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Speaker 12: without it, or if your pot's big enough, you can

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Speaker 12: cram it all in there. One large onion chopped, one

630
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Speaker 12: large carrot chopped, a nice big sprig of rosemary. You

631
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Speaker 12: could use time as well in this saute that all

632
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Speaker 12: for about two or three minutes, and then pour in

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Speaker 12: about a.

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Speaker 14: Cup of stock. You can even use water.

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Speaker 12: Jack doesn't matter a bit. The next option, the next

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Speaker 12: little ingredient the pomegranate molasses. You might go, I haven't

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Speaker 12: got that. It's got a sweetness, it's got a tag

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Speaker 12: to it. So if you don't have any pomegran granite molasses,

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Speaker 12: I'm going to say, why not put a squeeze of

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Speaker 12: lemon juice and half a teaspoon of brown sugar.

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Speaker 2: That'll get you there.

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Speaker 12: I mean you know it's different, but it'll kind of

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Speaker 12: give you the same notes if you like. I'm using

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Speaker 12: two tablespoons of pomegranate molasses. I cover that pot and

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Speaker 12: then I sim it for about twenty twenty five minutes.

646
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Speaker 12: The chicken should be cooked through. I use drums for this.

647
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Speaker 12: I love the sort of the succulentness of that bonus

648
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Speaker 12: thigh with the bone and skin on, all that sort

649
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Speaker 12: of thing. When that chicken looks like it's cooked. Add

650
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Speaker 12: in your lentils. You can drain those off beforehand, I

651
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Speaker 12: think is a good idea. Otherwise that gelatinous kind of

652
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Speaker 12: liquid around it. I don't love that, so add in

653
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Speaker 12: your drained lentils. Similar it with the lid off for

654
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Speaker 12: five or ten minutes.

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Speaker 15: That'll just reduce it a little bit.

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Speaker 12: Taste it, season it with a bit of salt and pepper,

657
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Speaker 12: Serve it with a salad, Serve it on its own,

658
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Speaker 12: Garnish it with some parsley. It's amazing, Jack, It's such

659
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Speaker 12: a beautiful dish, and a really lovely one for these

660
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Speaker 12: sort of not quite so cold but still sort of

661
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Speaker 12: cozy nights.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, cozy. That's a good way to put it.

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Speaker 2: A cozy night in n dish.

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Speaker 12: Yeahlini beans you can use, you can use those there.

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Speaker 12: I've also done this where I've swapped out the pomegranate

666
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Speaker 12: molasses in the row and lots of greater ginger and

667
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Speaker 12: some soy sauce in there, and then you've got a

668
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Speaker 12: kind of more of an Asian style and it's just

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Speaker 12: as beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, Yeah, that's the thing. It's quite versatile.

671
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Speaker 2: You can actually just change the You just change a

672
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Speaker 2: couple of little ingredients there, and you get quite quite

673
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Speaker 2: a different flavor profile. Absolutely. I've said it once, I've

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Speaker 2: said it thrice. I'll say it every time you're on

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Speaker 2: the show. Any recipe with pomegranate molasses gets the jack

676
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Speaker 2: Tame seal of approval. Oh I love it.

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Speaker 12: I thought you were going to say you get flooded

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Speaker 12: with texts and emails.

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Speaker 16: We were going, oh that ingredient.

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Speaker 1: We bought it once and we never use it again.

681
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Speaker 12: I use it with everything. You must be the same

682
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Speaker 12: dressing on ice cream. It's just throw it at a

683
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Speaker 12: stew It's it's a magic.

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Speaker 2: It's what makes a ling, isn't it. And I just

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Speaker 2: feel like, yeah, very good, all right, you take care

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Speaker 2: and we will catch again very so thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Nicki Necki works there. Our cook with her recipe for

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your messages. We've had so many texts

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Speaker 2: and I've received so many emails about ray Gun. Just

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Speaker 2: agree with your comments re ray Gun. To be honest,

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Speaker 2: I just thought it was funny. But when you think

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I tend to agree with that, Rory. I reckon, that's

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Speaker 2: as that. Our feature interview is best selling author Jody Picot.

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Speaker 2: She is an incredibly successful novelist. I mean she has

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Speaker 2: sold gazillions of copies of her stories around the world,

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Speaker 2: and she's got an amazing new premise for her latest book. Basically,

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Speaker 2: Jody reckins that Shakespeare didn't write Shakespeare. She reckons that

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Speaker 2: behind the scenes, behind the name was a very clever woman.

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Speaker 2: So she's going to tell us all about the woman

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Speaker 2: who she reckons might have written some of Shakespeare's most

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Speaker 2: famous works. She's well us very soon. It's almost ten

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Speaker 2: You were jactat on New Dog ZEDB. Jody Picot is

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Speaker 2: an author with a pen game strong enough to induce

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Speaker 2: real tears, which you will know if you have ever

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Speaker 2: read My Sister's Keeper or seen the movie adaptation starring

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Speaker 2: Cameron Diaz. But Jody has written almost thirty books now

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Speaker 2: she has sold about forty million copies of her works.

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Speaker 2: Forty million, of course, she writes across a diverse range

746
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Speaker 2: of different genres, from thrillers to romance novels to ghosts

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Speaker 2: stories and her latest book, By any Other Name, is

748
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Speaker 2: a step into historical fiction of sorts, with intertwining narratives

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Speaker 2: between two women, both past and present. Jody Picou is

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Speaker 2: with us this morning, Calder good morning, Well, thank you,

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Speaker 2: Sam to you it is. It is great to be

752
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Speaker 2: speaking with you, and congratulations on By any Other Name.

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Speaker 2: It is a story of two fascinating women in two

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Speaker 2: different eras who have some experiences that could be defined

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Speaker 2: being she and some unique experiences as well. But perhaps

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Speaker 2: you could start off by explaining to our audience who

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Speaker 2: is Amelia Bassano?

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Speaker 4: Sure so? Amelia Bassano is a real life historical figure

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Speaker 4: who was a female writer in the fifteen hundred sixteen hundreds.

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Speaker 4: She was the first published female poet in all of

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Speaker 4: England when she was in her late forties. However, it

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Speaker 4: is my belief, for many reasons, that she was actually

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Speaker 4: writing many years before that, and in fact paid someone

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Speaker 4: for the use of their name so that her work

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Speaker 4: could be shown in front of the public, because as

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Speaker 4: a female playwright, you could not have your work in

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Speaker 4: front of the public back then in Elizabethan times. And

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Speaker 4: I think the guy she paid for the use of

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Speaker 4: his name was a little man named William Shakespeare.

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Speaker 2: I mean that is just so tantalizing as a storyline

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Speaker 2: kind of thread, right, How did you come across her

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Speaker 2: in the first place.

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Speaker 4: So I actually was an English major and I absolutely

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Speaker 4: loved Shakespeare. Maybe for five seconds. In a seminar we had,

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Speaker 4: a professor said, you know, there's a question about whether

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Speaker 4: Shakespeare wrote all his plays, and I laughed it off.

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Speaker 4: And then a few years ago I was reading an

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Speaker 4: article in the Atlantic by a woman named Elizabeth Winkler

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Speaker 4: in which she said that Shakespeare had two daughters and

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Speaker 4: he never taught either of them to read or write. Now,

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Speaker 4: the reason I fell in love with Shakespeare was because

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Speaker 4: of the proto feminist characters like Portia and Beatrice and

783
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Speaker 4: Rosalind and Kate right, And I thought, oh, no, no, no,

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Speaker 4: there is no way that the guy who created those

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Speaker 4: three dimensional women wouldn't have taught his own daughters how

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Speaker 4: to read or write. I just didn't buy it. And

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Speaker 4: you know, lots of candidates have been posed as potential

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Speaker 4: authors of the Shakespearean plays, but I had never heard

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Speaker 4: of the one that this woman, Elizabeth Winkler, suggested, and

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Speaker 4: that was Amelia Bessano. And I started to do this

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Speaker 4: deep dive into her life. And the thing about shakespeare

792
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Speaker 4: life is that we know a lot about him, none

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Speaker 4: of which shows that he's actually a playwright, you know.

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Speaker 4: But for years academics have kind of twisted themselves up

795
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Speaker 4: in knots to explain away things that don't make sense

796
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Speaker 4: in his life. And Emilia's life fit very seamlessly into

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Speaker 4: all of those gaps. And because of that, I thought

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Speaker 4: it was certainly worth looking at. I mean, to me,

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Speaker 4: this is really a book about how women have been

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Speaker 4: written out of history by the men who were writing it,

801
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Speaker 4: and about how women's voices have been overlooked and silenced

802
00:42:38,613 --> 00:42:41,853
Speaker 4: and are still being silenced today in many places. So

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00:42:41,893 --> 00:42:43,453
Speaker 4: in a way, it's a very weird thing to have

804
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Speaker 4: written a book that takes place half the time in Elizabethan, England.

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Speaker 4: That is probably the most timely novel I ever written.

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Speaker 2: It is certainly timely eating through your own experience, which

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Speaker 2: we will get to in a moment. So you said

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Speaker 2: you were a Shakespeare fan. Was it kind of was

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00:42:59,013 --> 00:43:02,453
Speaker 2: it you fall in love immediately or was it something

810
00:43:02,493 --> 00:43:04,813
Speaker 2: wereby once you kind of engage and was and were

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Speaker 2: able to unret the language and the storyline, arcs, and

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Speaker 2: the incredible date of some of those characters at the

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Speaker 2: very least that you.

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Speaker 4: Really, I mean, certainly, I you know, I think my

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Speaker 4: favorite play is actually Romeo and Juliet, very pedantic, but

816
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Speaker 4: the first one I read, and I'm still you know,

817
00:43:19,133 --> 00:43:21,053
Speaker 4: I'm happily married, and I've been still waiting for a

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00:43:21,053 --> 00:43:25,013
Speaker 4: guy to come up and just speak in the sonic Naturally, isn't.

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Speaker 2: Too much to ask, Jody, isn't too much to ask, right.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I loved that play for so many reasons.

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Speaker 4: And then as I began to study more of the plays,

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Speaker 4: and I really I fell in love, like I said,

823
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Speaker 4: with the language, but also with these female characters who

824
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Speaker 4: were just so richly drawn, because that was not a

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Speaker 4: norm of the time. And maybe that's because it was

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Speaker 4: a woman writing them, you know, So I mean, certainly.

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Speaker 4: I Then also, I think I had a tendency in

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Speaker 4: college to canonize Shakespeare. We talk a lot about Shakespeare

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Speaker 4: almost in mythological terms. You know, one who wrote thirty

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Speaker 4: eight plays while he held had two full time jobs.

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Speaker 4: He was a producer and an actor. He was a

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Speaker 4: pair the only play right in all of Elizabeth in England.

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Speaker 4: Who didn't collaborate, you know, which makes zero sense, you know,

834
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Speaker 4: but that's not really that's not really the story. That's

835
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Speaker 4: what's been created around him to create to make him

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Speaker 4: the bard. What do we know about you know, Shakespeare literally.

837
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Speaker 4: We know that he was a businessman above all else.

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00:44:25,133 --> 00:44:27,893
Speaker 4: We know that he evaded taxes twice. We know that

839
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Speaker 4: he had restraining orders taken out against him by colleagues.

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00:44:31,173 --> 00:44:33,173
Speaker 4: We know that when there was a famine he bought

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00:44:33,213 --> 00:44:35,213
Speaker 4: up all the grain in Stratford and jacked up the

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00:44:35,253 --> 00:44:38,413
Speaker 4: prices for his neighbors. He was a lovely We know

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00:44:38,493 --> 00:44:41,373
Speaker 4: that he never left the country, although he wrote about

844
00:44:41,413 --> 00:44:45,693
Speaker 4: places like Denmark and Italy and Egypt with details that

845
00:44:45,733 --> 00:44:48,253
Speaker 4: weren't available in guide books. We know he never played

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00:44:48,293 --> 00:44:51,653
Speaker 4: an instrument, but there are more references to musical knowledge

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00:44:51,693 --> 00:44:54,573
Speaker 4: in the Shakespeare plays than any other body of literature.

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Speaker 4: We know he wasn't university educated, but when he died

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00:44:57,653 --> 00:44:59,973
Speaker 4: he didn't own a single book of his own, and

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00:45:00,093 --> 00:45:03,413
Speaker 4: when he also had, he had no praise from any

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00:45:03,453 --> 00:45:06,613
Speaker 4: other playwrights, which is also very strange for someone who

852
00:45:06,653 --> 00:45:09,333
Speaker 4: was the best known name of the time. What we

853
00:45:09,413 --> 00:45:11,573
Speaker 4: don't know about him that he wrote a single word

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00:45:11,813 --> 00:45:13,333
Speaker 4: attributed to him.

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00:45:13,773 --> 00:45:17,733
Speaker 2: It's so delicious, just as a Frost speak. Did you

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00:45:17,773 --> 00:45:22,253
Speaker 2: find then that after this proceeds, compared to how you

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Speaker 2: first engage with Shakespeare, do you think least of the man?

858
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Speaker 15: Oh?

859
00:45:26,133 --> 00:45:29,853
Speaker 4: Yeah, way, let's you know. But also more importantly I

860
00:45:29,893 --> 00:45:33,253
Speaker 4: think more of Amelia? Yeah right? So Amelia, like, let's

861
00:45:33,253 --> 00:45:36,333
Speaker 4: look at her life in counterpoint. So she is born

862
00:45:36,373 --> 00:45:41,733
Speaker 4: to an Italian family and her family is incredibly talented musically.

863
00:45:42,013 --> 00:45:43,853
Speaker 4: They are found by Henry the eighth and they're brought

864
00:45:43,893 --> 00:45:46,533
Speaker 4: over to England as the recorder consort to the King

865
00:45:46,813 --> 00:45:49,293
Speaker 4: and then to Queen O. She's Jewish, but she has

866
00:45:49,333 --> 00:45:51,213
Speaker 4: to hide her faith because you couldn't be Jewish at

867
00:45:51,213 --> 00:45:53,613
Speaker 4: the time in England. At seven, her dad dies and

868
00:45:53,653 --> 00:45:56,773
Speaker 4: she's given as award to this countess, and it's the

869
00:45:56,773 --> 00:45:59,053
Speaker 4: best situation for her because she winds up getting this

870
00:45:59,173 --> 00:46:03,253
Speaker 4: amazing legal and classical education. When the countess gets remarried

871
00:46:03,253 --> 00:46:05,933
Speaker 4: and she's twelve years old, she winds up living with

872
00:46:05,973 --> 00:46:08,613
Speaker 4: the count his brother for a summer, the same summer

873
00:46:08,653 --> 00:46:11,013
Speaker 4: that he, as ambassador to Denmark went to go visit

874
00:46:11,013 --> 00:46:15,093
Speaker 4: the King and Queen there. And you know characters that

875
00:46:15,333 --> 00:46:19,333
Speaker 4: happen to be named in Hamlet, although again Shakespeare never

876
00:46:19,373 --> 00:46:22,453
Speaker 4: went to Denmark. The next year, she becomes the mistress

877
00:46:22,453 --> 00:46:25,293
Speaker 4: at age thirteen to the Lord Chamberlain of England, and

878
00:46:25,333 --> 00:46:28,293
Speaker 4: for ten years she's with him. He's fifty six years old,

879
00:46:28,373 --> 00:46:31,013
Speaker 4: huge age difference, but he's in charge of all theater

880
00:46:31,133 --> 00:46:33,573
Speaker 4: in England. So through him, she is going to see

881
00:46:33,613 --> 00:46:35,893
Speaker 4: every play that crosses his desk. She's going to meet

882
00:46:35,933 --> 00:46:38,813
Speaker 4: all the playwrights, all the producers, all the theater owners.

883
00:46:39,493 --> 00:46:41,813
Speaker 4: She's going to be immersed in that world. When she

884
00:46:41,813 --> 00:46:44,653
Speaker 4: gets pregnant at twenty three, he marries her off to

885
00:46:44,973 --> 00:46:47,773
Speaker 4: her wastrel of a cousin, because you couldn't have a

886
00:46:47,773 --> 00:46:49,853
Speaker 4: pregnant mistress living in your house when you were married.

887
00:46:50,573 --> 00:46:54,053
Speaker 4: And this guy is a terrible man. He's our cousin.

888
00:46:54,133 --> 00:46:57,133
Speaker 4: He blows through all the money that the Lord Chamberlain

889
00:46:57,173 --> 00:46:59,533
Speaker 4: has settled on her to keep her safe for years,

890
00:46:59,893 --> 00:47:01,813
Speaker 4: and she winds up at twenty three with a kid,

891
00:47:01,893 --> 00:47:04,533
Speaker 4: a husband she hates, and she has to somehow make

892
00:47:04,573 --> 00:47:07,973
Speaker 4: a living. And then we don't know what happens until

893
00:47:07,973 --> 00:47:10,093
Speaker 4: we see that book of poetry that she publishes in

894
00:47:10,133 --> 00:47:13,893
Speaker 4: sixteen eleven. But there are decades between them, which leads

895
00:47:14,133 --> 00:47:16,413
Speaker 4: beve you know she was writing under someone else's name.

896
00:47:16,573 --> 00:47:20,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure that everyone asks you about this, but

897
00:47:20,613 --> 00:47:23,653
Speaker 2: you are famed for the depths of your research and

898
00:47:24,133 --> 00:47:26,093
Speaker 2: your novel. So just to remind our listeners, and this

899
00:47:26,133 --> 00:47:28,973
Speaker 2: is only a short selection. You have lived briefly with

900
00:47:29,013 --> 00:47:32,573
Speaker 2: the Amish, traveled to Botswana, you have been to prison,

901
00:47:32,733 --> 00:47:36,453
Speaker 2: you've observed cardio surgery. So what kind of research was

902
00:47:36,493 --> 00:47:38,333
Speaker 2: involved in by any other name?

903
00:47:39,813 --> 00:47:42,853
Speaker 4: So I wound up, first of all, finding all the

904
00:47:43,013 --> 00:47:46,973
Speaker 4: historical primary sources that I could find about Amelia, which

905
00:47:47,013 --> 00:47:50,053
Speaker 4: are not many. Most of her life we know about

906
00:47:50,093 --> 00:47:54,413
Speaker 4: because of a diary of this astrologer slash hack doctor

907
00:47:54,533 --> 00:47:57,293
Speaker 4: that she went to when she was having all these miscarriages.

908
00:47:57,533 --> 00:48:00,213
Speaker 4: And he kept the amazing diaries in which he talks

909
00:48:00,253 --> 00:48:02,373
Speaker 4: about what she said to him and also how he

910
00:48:02,413 --> 00:48:03,773
Speaker 4: tried to get her to sleep with him and she

911
00:48:03,813 --> 00:48:07,293
Speaker 4: said no anyway. And so this diary in the Ashmolean

912
00:48:07,453 --> 00:48:10,493
Speaker 4: now and in it you know all week. But everything

913
00:48:10,533 --> 00:48:12,173
Speaker 4: I just told you about her life is all in

914
00:48:12,453 --> 00:48:17,813
Speaker 4: that diary. I also wound up speaking to multiple academics,

915
00:48:17,893 --> 00:48:21,133
Speaker 4: a lot of female Shakespeare scholars in particular, I talked

916
00:48:21,133 --> 00:48:23,733
Speaker 4: to the head historian at the Globe Theater. I had

917
00:48:23,773 --> 00:48:28,773
Speaker 4: this amazing document that was someone God blessed them put

918
00:48:28,933 --> 00:48:33,253
Speaker 4: digitized every single day of Queen Elizabeth the First's reign,

919
00:48:33,653 --> 00:48:37,133
Speaker 4: so I knew what happened every single day. So when

920
00:48:37,133 --> 00:48:39,613
Speaker 4: I read about a joust, it happened on that day.

921
00:48:39,653 --> 00:48:41,773
Speaker 4: And when I tell you that after it was on

922
00:48:41,813 --> 00:48:43,933
Speaker 4: a mission, he was on a mission. So I was

923
00:48:43,973 --> 00:48:47,333
Speaker 4: able to really reference it historically. There's also an incredible

924
00:48:47,413 --> 00:48:51,413
Speaker 4: map called the August Map that another wonderful author, Deborah Harkness,

925
00:48:51,573 --> 00:48:55,253
Speaker 4: put me onto, and it allows you to overlay Elizabethan

926
00:48:55,293 --> 00:48:58,213
Speaker 4: England on top of modern England, so you can see

927
00:48:58,253 --> 00:49:01,053
Speaker 4: exactly where all the places were that I was writing about.

928
00:49:01,213 --> 00:49:04,133
Speaker 4: So I was kind of juggling all of this Elizabethan stuff,

929
00:49:04,213 --> 00:49:06,933
Speaker 4: you know, in my head as I was was writing

930
00:49:06,973 --> 00:49:07,333
Speaker 4: a millia.

931
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's extraordinary. How amazing to have that, you know,

932
00:49:09,693 --> 00:49:12,453
Speaker 2: those kind of resources. I suppose it's given the nature

933
00:49:12,453 --> 00:49:14,573
Speaker 2: of the subject, you're fortunate to be able to benefit

934
00:49:14,613 --> 00:49:18,013
Speaker 2: from some of those things. Like I mentioned, as you mentioned,

935
00:49:18,933 --> 00:49:22,613
Speaker 2: women's voices are still being silenced in certain spaces. I

936
00:49:22,613 --> 00:49:25,853
Speaker 2: think it's just over a year now since a number

937
00:49:25,853 --> 00:49:30,093
Speaker 2: of your books were removed from schools after a public

938
00:49:30,253 --> 00:49:34,533
Speaker 2: campaign by advocacy groups who said they were inappropriate for

939
00:49:34,613 --> 00:49:37,613
Speaker 2: young readers. What have you made of that whole experience.

940
00:49:38,333 --> 00:49:43,773
Speaker 4: I have become a very vocal advocate to fight book banning.

941
00:49:43,933 --> 00:49:47,093
Speaker 4: It is endemic in my country. It has only gotten worse.

942
00:49:49,333 --> 00:49:52,693
Speaker 4: My own books were banned well over forty times last

943
00:49:52,773 --> 00:49:56,613
Speaker 4: year alone in Iowa. Nineteen Minutes is the most banned

944
00:49:56,653 --> 00:50:00,053
Speaker 4: book in Iowa. Last week, state of Utah actually passed

945
00:50:00,053 --> 00:50:05,613
Speaker 4: a law that removes thirteen novels from bookshelves completely, which

946
00:50:05,653 --> 00:50:08,773
Speaker 4: is straight out crazy band. I mean, it's a very

947
00:50:08,773 --> 00:50:12,653
Speaker 4: slippery slope and it's very dangerous because you know, when

948
00:50:13,293 --> 00:50:15,493
Speaker 4: it's legitimate for a parent to decide what they want

949
00:50:15,493 --> 00:50:17,813
Speaker 4: their child to read, it is not legitimate for that

950
00:50:17,853 --> 00:50:20,453
Speaker 4: parent to make decisions about everybody else's child. And of

951
00:50:20,453 --> 00:50:22,933
Speaker 4: course it is a very slippery, slippery slope. We've seen

952
00:50:23,293 --> 00:50:27,373
Speaker 4: challenges increase ninety two percent in public libraries. We have

953
00:50:27,493 --> 00:50:32,293
Speaker 4: seen laws that are being passed to punish publishers that

954
00:50:32,373 --> 00:50:37,693
Speaker 4: send books directly to schools, and we've also seen change

955
00:50:38,013 --> 00:50:41,133
Speaker 4: some progress in that there are multiple lawsuits that have

956
00:50:41,213 --> 00:50:45,053
Speaker 4: been enacted against in Iowa and against people in Florida.

957
00:50:45,133 --> 00:50:48,973
Speaker 4: The school districts in Florida that have enacted bands. Publishers

958
00:50:48,973 --> 00:50:51,773
Speaker 4: and writers are banding together to sue these school districts

959
00:50:51,813 --> 00:50:53,813
Speaker 4: to kind of raise awareness and to get these very

960
00:50:53,853 --> 00:50:58,413
Speaker 4: poorly worded laws overturned because we have our educators living

961
00:50:58,453 --> 00:51:00,453
Speaker 4: in a culture of fear. But you know, to bring

962
00:51:00,453 --> 00:51:02,533
Speaker 4: it again back to by any other name, I think

963
00:51:02,613 --> 00:51:05,333
Speaker 4: that's what makes this so timely. We are in America,

964
00:51:05,653 --> 00:51:08,893
Speaker 4: We're watching women's reproductive rights being stripped away, and we

965
00:51:08,973 --> 00:51:11,893
Speaker 4: are still living in a time where people are making

966
00:51:11,933 --> 00:51:15,293
Speaker 4: decisions about what kind of story should be told and

967
00:51:15,333 --> 00:51:17,333
Speaker 4: who should be the people who tell them. That is

968
00:51:17,373 --> 00:51:19,133
Speaker 4: exactly what Elizabeth Thinningland was like.

969
00:51:19,533 --> 00:51:24,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, just honestly just absurd. To

970
00:51:24,933 --> 00:51:26,613
Speaker 2: view it from the outside, it feels like the real

971
00:51:26,653 --> 00:51:29,573
Speaker 2: time erosion of civilization or something. I know that sounds grandiose,

972
00:51:29,613 --> 00:51:30,533
Speaker 2: but it feels like that.

973
00:51:31,333 --> 00:51:33,773
Speaker 4: Well, you know. The funny thing was, I very distinctly

974
00:51:34,373 --> 00:51:36,173
Speaker 4: remember writing a scene in this book in which a

975
00:51:36,293 --> 00:51:39,933
Speaker 4: Puritan was on an overturned great in front of one

976
00:51:39,973 --> 00:51:42,453
Speaker 4: of the theaters in Elizabeth in England and this again

977
00:51:42,533 --> 00:51:45,493
Speaker 4: was lifted right out of history and was complaining about

978
00:51:45,533 --> 00:51:48,333
Speaker 4: the moral depravity of theater and how it took people

979
00:51:48,373 --> 00:51:51,853
Speaker 4: away from God and how all of these theaters needed

980
00:51:51,893 --> 00:51:54,293
Speaker 4: to be shut down. And I was reading, you know,

981
00:51:54,333 --> 00:51:56,613
Speaker 4: I'm writing this, and I'm reading what I'm writing, and

982
00:51:56,653 --> 00:51:58,893
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my gosh, these are the book banners.

983
00:51:59,573 --> 00:52:02,093
Speaker 4: Like it's just the same thing over and over again,

984
00:52:02,453 --> 00:52:06,613
Speaker 4: this idea of considered to be mature content and morally depraved.

985
00:52:07,253 --> 00:52:11,853
Speaker 4: You know, what they're calling morally depraved is actually the

986
00:52:11,973 --> 00:52:14,733
Speaker 4: kind of information that kids get to use to make

987
00:52:14,853 --> 00:52:19,173
Speaker 4: sense of a very difficult world, that gives them a

988
00:52:19,213 --> 00:52:22,853
Speaker 4: sense of place and allows them to explore worlds and

989
00:52:22,933 --> 00:52:25,173
Speaker 4: people they don't know in a safe space. I mean,

990
00:52:25,213 --> 00:52:28,293
Speaker 4: books create empathy. Book bands, you know, destroy it.

991
00:52:29,093 --> 00:52:31,453
Speaker 2: I see the Black Lives Matter sign behind you. So

992
00:52:31,773 --> 00:52:34,013
Speaker 2: how are you feeling well? Speaking of Shakespeare, and I suppose,

993
00:52:34,013 --> 00:52:35,853
Speaker 2: how are you feeling about the next hundred days or so?

994
00:52:37,653 --> 00:52:40,053
Speaker 4: Well, I feel a lot better than it was a

995
00:52:40,093 --> 00:52:44,653
Speaker 4: few weeks ago. Yeah, you know, it's been really interesting. Again.

996
00:52:45,173 --> 00:52:49,653
Speaker 4: I feel like this book to me feels so perfectly

997
00:52:49,733 --> 00:52:53,573
Speaker 4: placed because we are in we're at a crossroads in America.

998
00:52:53,613 --> 00:52:56,093
Speaker 4: I feel like we're literally standing here and in one

999
00:52:56,133 --> 00:52:59,693
Speaker 4: direction we have the threat of a national abortion pan

1000
00:53:00,093 --> 00:53:02,413
Speaker 4: and on the other direction, we have the chance, a

1001
00:53:02,493 --> 00:53:05,533
Speaker 4: very real chance. I think of having our first female

1002
00:53:05,613 --> 00:53:09,053
Speaker 4: president of color, our first female president, and she happens

1003
00:53:09,053 --> 00:53:11,613
Speaker 4: to be one of color. And you know, I'm kind

1004
00:53:11,613 --> 00:53:14,213
Speaker 4: of like sitting here going, Okay, America, your move which

1005
00:53:14,213 --> 00:53:14,973
Speaker 4: way you're gonna go?

1006
00:53:16,613 --> 00:53:17,173
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah?

1007
00:53:18,213 --> 00:53:19,293
Speaker 4: Can I come to New Zealand?

1008
00:53:19,653 --> 00:53:19,853
Speaker 5: Look?

1009
00:53:19,893 --> 00:53:24,213
Speaker 2: Please? We would be delighted to have you, absolutely delighted. Yeah,

1010
00:53:24,253 --> 00:53:26,773
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. Congratulations on by

1011
00:53:26,773 --> 00:53:29,573
Speaker 2: any other name. I know our listeners are just so

1012
00:53:29,653 --> 00:53:32,333
Speaker 2: excited to get into it, and we do hope that

1013
00:53:32,333 --> 00:53:33,933
Speaker 2: we see you in New Zealand sometime soon.

1014
00:53:34,733 --> 00:53:36,693
Speaker 4: You too, I love it there. It's such a great country.

1015
00:53:36,693 --> 00:53:37,573
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.

1016
00:53:37,613 --> 00:53:41,173
Speaker 2: Thanks Jody. That is Jody Picot. Her new book is

1017
00:53:41,213 --> 00:53:43,693
Speaker 2: by any other Name. All the details, of course, are

1018
00:53:43,773 --> 00:53:46,293
Speaker 2: up on the news talks. He'd be website before eleven o'clock.

1019
00:53:46,373 --> 00:53:48,013
Speaker 2: Now is the time to prune your berries in time

1020
00:53:48,053 --> 00:53:51,853
Speaker 2: for summer. So if you are growing some I don't know,

1021
00:53:51,893 --> 00:53:55,013
Speaker 2: some blackberries are home, maybe some strawberries. I mean the

1022
00:53:55,053 --> 00:53:58,133
Speaker 2: strawberries should already be well underway. We've got some tips

1023
00:53:58,133 --> 00:54:00,093
Speaker 2: from our man in the garden on getting things just

1024
00:54:00,253 --> 00:54:02,533
Speaker 2: right ahead of summer. Next up, though, if you are

1025
00:54:02,533 --> 00:54:05,293
Speaker 2: looking forward to a weekend veging out on the couch,

1026
00:54:05,533 --> 00:54:07,813
Speaker 2: you don't want to have to go outside. You don't

1027
00:54:07,813 --> 00:54:10,493
Speaker 2: want to have to interact with the real world. Good news,

1028
00:54:10,533 --> 00:54:13,613
Speaker 2: we have three fantastic shows to recommend in our screen

1029
00:54:13,693 --> 00:54:16,933
Speaker 2: time segment. It's twenty two minutes past tenure with Jack Tamee.

1030
00:54:17,053 --> 00:54:17,853
Speaker 2: This is News Talks.

1031
00:54:17,853 --> 00:54:22,573
Speaker 1: He'db start your weekend off in style. Saturday Mornings with

1032
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1034
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Speaker 2: Jack. Absolutely love that interview with Jodi Picoe. She's such

1035
00:54:31,533 --> 00:54:35,693
Speaker 2: an amazing writer, incredibly clever. Went to Princeton University. Didn't

1036
00:54:35,693 --> 00:54:38,213
Speaker 2: know that ego, I went to Princeton University. My sister's

1037
00:54:38,293 --> 00:54:39,533
Speaker 2: keeper would have to be up there with one of

1038
00:54:39,573 --> 00:54:41,693
Speaker 2: my favorite books of all time. Can't wait for her

1039
00:54:41,733 --> 00:54:43,653
Speaker 2: new one. Thank you very much, Jane. If you want

1040
00:54:43,653 --> 00:54:46,253
Speaker 2: to flick us an email like Jane Didjackitnewstalk's hedb dot

1041
00:54:46,253 --> 00:54:48,733
Speaker 2: co dot inzet is the email address. If you feel

1042
00:54:48,853 --> 00:54:54,653
Speaker 2: like less reading more just veging. Good news. Tara Award,

1043
00:54:54,773 --> 00:54:57,293
Speaker 2: our screen time expert, is here with her picks for

1044
00:54:57,333 --> 00:54:59,853
Speaker 2: this weekend. I don't want to suggest for a moment, Tara,

1045
00:54:59,973 --> 00:55:04,373
Speaker 2: that you're not a literary person, that you aren't intellect

1046
00:55:04,413 --> 00:55:06,013
Speaker 2: shall in any sense, but you know what I mean.

1047
00:55:06,373 --> 00:55:08,093
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's nicest to be down on the couch.

1048
00:55:09,613 --> 00:55:12,293
Speaker 17: Absolutely, I'm here for all in any kind of veging.

1049
00:55:12,453 --> 00:55:14,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, very good, me too. That makes two of us okay,

1050
00:55:14,973 --> 00:55:16,933
Speaker 2: three shows to work through this morning. Let's begin with

1051
00:55:16,973 --> 00:55:19,893
Speaker 2: one that is streaming on three Now, tell Us About

1052
00:55:20,053 --> 00:55:21,613
Speaker 2: Douglas is Canceled.

1053
00:55:23,533 --> 00:55:26,613
Speaker 17: This is a new British comedy drama that was written

1054
00:55:26,693 --> 00:55:29,973
Speaker 17: by Stephen Moffett, who wrote shows like Doctor Who and Sherlock.

1055
00:55:30,333 --> 00:55:33,013
Speaker 17: And it stars Hugh Boneville and Karen Gillen, and it's

1056
00:55:33,013 --> 00:55:36,693
Speaker 17: about what happens when a public figure is canceled. Hugh

1057
00:55:36,733 --> 00:55:40,773
Speaker 17: Boneville plays a well known newsreader called Douglas, who, after

1058
00:55:40,813 --> 00:55:43,613
Speaker 17: a few drinks and a family wedding, makes a sexist

1059
00:55:43,733 --> 00:55:46,773
Speaker 17: joke and that moment goes viral on social media and

1060
00:55:46,813 --> 00:55:50,213
Speaker 17: Douglas faces a public backlash and has to try and

1061
00:55:50,253 --> 00:55:53,293
Speaker 17: save his reputation. And the show is a satire about

1062
00:55:54,173 --> 00:55:58,533
Speaker 17: navigating the modern world of social media and spins and

1063
00:55:58,613 --> 00:56:02,493
Speaker 17: how different generations view different issues in a different way.

1064
00:56:02,813 --> 00:56:04,973
Speaker 17: And you never know what the terrible joke is. Douglas

1065
00:56:04,973 --> 00:56:08,293
Speaker 17: doesn't remember it, and so there's this ambiguity that runs

1066
00:56:08,293 --> 00:56:10,613
Speaker 17: through the show about what he really said and how

1067
00:56:10,693 --> 00:56:13,533
Speaker 17: bad was it really And this reminded me a bit

1068
00:56:13,573 --> 00:56:16,493
Speaker 17: of a mix between like The Morning Show with the

1069
00:56:16,813 --> 00:56:19,773
Speaker 17: newsroom set up and the issues around sexism and something

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Speaker 17: like The Thick of It. It's got that really fast,

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Speaker 17: sharp British dialogue that pokes fun at a lot of

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Speaker 17: ridiculous things in the world. The first two episodes feel

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Speaker 17: like a comedy, and then by the third the tone

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Speaker 17: shifts a bit and it's a lot darker and more

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Speaker 17: intense and takes you somewhere else. So it's not always

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Speaker 17: the most subtle of shows, but it's very topical and

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Speaker 17: I think it will resonate with a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: But isn't that yeah, okay, cool, that sounds interesting. What

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Speaker 2: a good premise that you never know exactly what Douglas

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Speaker 2: has said or done? And Stephen Moffett, oh, like one

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Speaker 2: of the absolute greats, right him? And is it an

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Speaker 2: ando Ynachi? Yeah? For me the test. Okay, So that's

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Speaker 2: Douglas's canceled. That's on three now on TVNZ plus. Kidnapped

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Speaker 2: The Chloe Ailing Story.

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Speaker 17: This is a new true crime drama that started on

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Speaker 17: TVNZ Plus this week. It's made by the BBC and

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Speaker 17: it's based on a true story from twenty seventeen about

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Speaker 17: a young woman named Chloe Ailing. And Chloe was working

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Speaker 17: in Italy as a model. She was booked for a

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Speaker 17: photoshoot that wasn't real and she was kidnapped and held

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Speaker 17: hostage for a week. And this drama tells that story

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Speaker 17: from Chloe's perspective, because when she was released and went

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Speaker 17: back to Britain, she was very upfront in the media

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Speaker 17: about what had happened to her. There was a lot

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Speaker 17: of doubt about her story. She was accused of making

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Speaker 17: it up, and part of that was because Chloe didn't

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Speaker 17: fit the stereotypes or the public perception of how a

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Speaker 17: woman should act after she'd been through something like this.

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Speaker 17: So this drama is about both the kidnap ordeal and

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Speaker 17: the trial by media that she faced when she got

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Speaker 17: back to Britain, and it's a pretty gripping, thought provoking drama.

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Speaker 17: It's both fascinating and awful at the same time, and

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Speaker 17: they've really convincingly told told Chloe's story. It's just started

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Speaker 17: in the UK this week and TVNZ are getting the

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Speaker 17: episodes one day later, so there's not any time to

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Speaker 17: wait on that one. So if you are a true

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Speaker 17: crime fan, this is a muss watch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh superb Okay, that's cannapped the Chloe ailing story.

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Speaker 2: And on Neon just ahead of the Paralympics, wheel Blacks

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Speaker 2: Bodies on the Line.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, it was but lost this week without the Olympics

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Speaker 17: on to watch, but good news. The Paris Paralympics start

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Speaker 17: at the end of the month and TVNZ will have

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Speaker 17: the free to air coverage of that. In the meantime,

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Speaker 17: Neon have a new documentary series about the Wilblacks which

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Speaker 17: drops on Monday, and the will Blacks are the new

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Speaker 17: Zealand wheelchair rugby team. Wheelchair rugby is a sport at

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Speaker 17: the Paralympics, of course, and this documentary series takes us

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Speaker 17: behind the scenes of the will Blacks as they try

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Speaker 17: to get to Paris, and it's a really fascinating insight

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Speaker 17: into the sport of wheelchair rugby, but also the challenges

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Speaker 17: that the will Blacks face in terms of getting players

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Speaker 17: and raising funds to compete at a top level and

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Speaker 17: to get that competition to help them play it better.

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Speaker 17: So it's about the challenges on and off the court.

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Speaker 17: You get to know the players and what the sport

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Speaker 17: means to them. And I mean wheelchair rugby. That is

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Speaker 17: a fair sport that had some escape and not for

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Speaker 17: the faint hearted. So this is a great three part

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Speaker 17: documentary that really takes you into that world.

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Speaker 13: I really enjoyed that.

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Speaker 2: Nice. Okay, that sounds great. Takes you back to the

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Speaker 2: old murder Ball days. Ah, absolutely remember that. What a

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Speaker 2: great film that was. Yeah, yeah, fantastic. I thank you

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Speaker 2: so much, Tara, very much appreciate that. So those shows

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Speaker 2: once again. Douglas is canceled. That's on three Now TV,

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Speaker 2: and z Plus has kidnapped the Chloe Ailing story and

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Speaker 2: we All Black's Bodies on the Line. That is on Neon.

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Speaker 1: Getting your weekend started, It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team

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Speaker 1: on News TALKSB.

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Speaker 2: Good S. Oh my gosh, I can honestly just listen

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Speaker 2: to Froy King all weekend. You know how, Muzos don't

1143
01:00:09,733 --> 01:00:13,293
Speaker 2: really have your reputation for having like ten year plans,

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Speaker 2: not like this one anyway. Troy Kingy distinguishes himself on

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01:00:17,733 --> 01:00:21,413
Speaker 2: that front. He's got that amazing master plan ten albums

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Speaker 2: and ten years with ten different genres. So he's about

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01:00:25,853 --> 01:00:28,373
Speaker 2: eight years in now to his ten ten ten project.

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Speaker 2: Everything is going as it should be. He's on schedule

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01:00:31,373 --> 01:00:34,453
Speaker 2: at the moment. So far, albums in the ten ten

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Speaker 2: ten have included an album of psychedelic soul, roots, reggae,

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Speaker 2: eighties pop, and singer songwriter folk sounds. But the thing

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Speaker 2: that Troy does is that every single one of his

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01:00:46,333 --> 01:00:49,373
Speaker 2: different albums is recorded with a different band. And the

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Speaker 2: latest one, the latest album, came out yesterday. It is

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Speaker 2: in collaboration with the Cactus Handshake. The album's called Leatherman

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Speaker 2: and the Mohavei Green. We're gonna have a bit of

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Speaker 2: a listen after eleven o'clock this morning. He's just one

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Speaker 2: of those just preposterously talented musicians, right, like a real

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Speaker 2: muso's muso. So I'm really looking forward to listening to

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Speaker 2: a friend of the show Troy Kingy after eleven o'clock

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Speaker 2: this morning. Thank you for your feedback. Heaps and heaps

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Speaker 2: of text. Jack An awesome interview with Jody Pico this morning.

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Speaker 2: Can you say your name of her book once again?

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Speaker 2: Says Margaret, Yep, it's by any other name, by any

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Speaker 2: other name. Bromin's wondering the same thing.

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Speaker 3: Jack.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely wonderful listening to Jody Picoe, one of my favorite authors,

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Speaker 2: Jack says, Mary, Jody didn't convince me I believe Edward

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Speaker 2: Earl of Oxford really wrote Shakespeare. Dere I suggest that

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Speaker 2: maybe even Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare. I mean, it would be

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Speaker 2: good to know just how much of her theory Jody

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Speaker 2: really believes. But I think that's one of the great

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Speaker 2: things about storytelling, right. You can expand on an idea,

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Speaker 2: you can dare to imagine for just a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Ninety two ninety two is our text number. It's twenty

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Speaker 2: five to eleven.

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Speaker 1: Digging into the issues that affect you. The mic asking breakfast, all.

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Speaker 9: That's happened if the Justice Minister's signed the expedition order.

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Speaker 9: But guess what happens next? He gets to repeat, is

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Speaker 9: there something profoundly wrong with the judicial process that if

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Speaker 9: you have enough money and enough lawyers, you can pretty

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Speaker 9: much put off a day of reckoning for as long as.

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Speaker 5: You want well. I think that's a valid question.

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Speaker 9: He could have landed anywhere. If he didn't land in

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Speaker 9: New Zealand, we never would have heard of him. The

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Speaker 9: judicial process never would have been bogged down with them,

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Speaker 9: the government never would have been involved with them at all.

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Speaker 9: Back Monday, from six am, the mic asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 9: the rain driver of the last news talk zed.

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Speaker 2: B twenty two minutes to eleven on news Talk said B.

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Speaker 2: Google's Pixel three watch has just been released, and of

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Speaker 2: all the new bits of technology and gadget tree to

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Speaker 2: hit the market, this one has a very interesting feature,

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Speaker 2: a life saving feature. Our Textbert polstine House is here

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Speaker 2: with the details. Hey, Paul, tell us about it.

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Speaker 14: Good morning. I love when there's some like technology for good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 18: We make all these advances and sometimes, you know, the

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Speaker 18: AI stuff we talk about might end up maybe taking

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Speaker 18: some jobs and not doing some good things. So I

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Speaker 18: saw this and thought this is nice. Okay, and here

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Speaker 18: we're about to change the tune. Imagine you're by yourself

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Speaker 18: and you have a heart attack. Yeah, great, great setup, right,

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Speaker 18: but that would be a very scary time. And if

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Speaker 18: you think about it, the chance of someone finding you

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Speaker 18: in time to give you potentially life saving resuscitation is

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Speaker 18: probably very close to Neil. And that's where there's a

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Speaker 18: new feature on this watch that will detect a loss

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Speaker 18: of pulse as they're calling it rhich could be caused

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Speaker 18: by heart attack, or could be caused.

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Speaker 14: By any number of things.

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Speaker 18: And it uses all of the senses inside the watch

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Speaker 18: and actually also uses some AI to figure out where

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Speaker 18: or not they need.

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Speaker 14: To get emergency services to you.

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Speaker 18: So first of all, right, your watch, it has its

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Speaker 18: regular heart rate sensor. It detects maybe something might be

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Speaker 18: a mess.

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Speaker 14: We can't find a.

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Speaker 18: Pulse, So then it fires up a whole range of

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Speaker 18: other senses and they are sort of more sophisticated infrared senses,

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Speaker 18: but also motion sensors too, basically to work out if

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Speaker 18: you're moving and if if you need help.

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Speaker 14: If it decides that you.

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Speaker 18: Do it then sign it basically sounds an alarm to

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Speaker 18: try to maybe wake you up and to see if

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Speaker 18: it can then detect any.

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Speaker 14: Other form of movement, and if not, it will then.

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Speaker 18: Call emergency services for you on your behalf and send

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Speaker 18: your location.

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Speaker 14: Which I just thought, this is such a nice feature.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I think of like the Saint John alarms, right,

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Speaker 18: like you still need to be able to actually push

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Speaker 18: the button for help. This actually removes the pushing the

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Speaker 18: button aspect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that sounds really cooler and principle is it.

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Speaker 2: Do you know if it's gonna work in New Zealand?

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Speaker 2: Like can they do?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: Right, this was this was my one hesitation.

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Speaker 18: But when you talk about it, cool technology, but they

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Speaker 18: need to go through these regulatory hurdles. And there's a

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Speaker 18: bunch of countries in the EU, not quite in New

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Speaker 18: Zealand just yet. But I mean that's to me, Hey,

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Speaker 18: if there was a reason to buy a Google Pixel Watch,

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Speaker 18: to me, that's at the top of my list.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the great feature.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds very cool. Okay, Hey Fortnite, the incredibly

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Speaker 2: popular game, is back on Apple's iOS.

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Speaker 14: Yes, and not just in New Zealand yet either.

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Speaker 18: Are some of the parts of the world that seem

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Speaker 18: to have less regulatory hurdles or are more favorable than others,

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Speaker 18: and the EU is one of those.

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Speaker 14: They passed their Digital markets at, which.

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Speaker 18: Basically forced Apple to give app developers a way to

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Speaker 18: sell their software on iPhones and iPads without needing to

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Speaker 18: go through the official Apple Store.

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Speaker 14: Why is that important?

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Speaker 18: Well, Apple charges developers up to thirty percent of their

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Speaker 18: revenue for the privilege of being in that store.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy.

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Speaker 14: Love it.

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Speaker 18: Why because it earns them almost seventy million, sorry, seventy million.

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Speaker 18: That'd be nice, seventy billion dollars in revenue.

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Speaker 14: So this is.

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Speaker 18: Something they obviously wanted to fight and Epic has been honestly,

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Speaker 18: they've been the ones who have been really pushing this forward.

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Speaker 18: And so the Epic Game Store has launched in the

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Speaker 18: EU and people can go on there and they can

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Speaker 18: download Fortnite for the first time in four years on.

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Speaker 14: The iOS devices.

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Speaker 13: But Apple has not made.

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Speaker 14: It easy Jack.

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Speaker 18: There are a ton of warning screens to get through

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Speaker 18: settings you have to update. Of course, Epic says that

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Speaker 18: that's very intentional by Apple to make the process. Yeah,

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Speaker 18: basically as terrible as possible. Yeah, But Apple has done

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Speaker 18: one slight sneaky They've launched a new.

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Speaker 14: Fee for these off app stores that are calling a.

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Speaker 18: Core technology fee, basically to try to recoup some of

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Speaker 18: that seventy billion dollars that they have at stake. But

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Speaker 18: this is really interesting because this is the first high

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Speaker 18: profile alternative app store that's existed, and I think This

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Speaker 18: is going to be a real good case study for

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Speaker 18: other brands to basically decide whether or not this is

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Speaker 18: an avenue they should pursue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be fascinating to see how that

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Speaker 2: all unfolds. Thank you, Paul. Paul Stadhouse is our tech

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Speaker 2: spurred eighteen to two eleven coming up on newstooks. He'd

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Speaker 2: be before eleven o'clock. Our man in the garden has

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Speaker 2: all the tips you need to get your berries in

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Speaker 2: top notch condition heading into summer.

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Speaker 3: A little bit of way to kick off your weekend.

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Speaker 2: It is that time on a Saturday morning where we

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Speaker 2: catch up with our doctor, doctor Brian Betty, and this

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Speaker 2: week we are talking carpal tunnel, which I know next

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Speaker 2: to nothing about. Good morning, Brian, oh, Jora, Jack. So,

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Speaker 2: Carpal tunnel is one of the two most common conditions

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Speaker 2: to affect people's hands.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, Look, we see it all the time in general practice,

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01:07:30,533 --> 01:07:33,493
Speaker 19: and it's a condition that's caused by something called the

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01:07:33,533 --> 01:07:35,533
Speaker 19: medium nerve. It's a nerve that runs down the arm

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01:07:35,573 --> 01:07:38,133
Speaker 19: and it goes through the wrist, and as it goes

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01:07:38,173 --> 01:07:40,573
Speaker 19: through the risk it goes through this narrow tunnel called

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Speaker 19: the carpol tunnel, surrounded by bone and ligament, and it

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01:07:44,133 --> 01:07:46,933
Speaker 19: gets compressed, and as it gets compressed, it starts to

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01:07:46,933 --> 01:07:50,533
Speaker 19: cause symptoms. So we know about one to five percent

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Speaker 19: of the population get it at some point, and it's

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01:07:53,133 --> 01:07:57,013
Speaker 19: twice as common in woman as men, and that's the cost. Structurally,

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01:07:57,053 --> 01:08:01,453
Speaker 19: their risk is slightly narrower than the men's wrists. Happens

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Speaker 19: between the ages about thirty and sixty, and there's certain

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Speaker 19: things that put you at increase us so that's pregnancy, diabetes,

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01:08:09,253 --> 01:08:13,893
Speaker 19: thyroid conditions, and actually repetitive manual labor. So it seems

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01:08:13,933 --> 01:08:17,573
Speaker 19: like using jackhammers or hammering all day can actually start

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01:08:17,573 --> 01:08:19,053
Speaker 19: to cause the problem.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting. So how do you recognize it?

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Speaker 19: Well, look, I suppose the commonest thing that people say

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Speaker 19: to me when they come in, they start to describe

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01:08:28,053 --> 01:08:30,653
Speaker 19: they're waking up at night and they're noticing that their

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01:08:30,693 --> 01:08:33,533
Speaker 19: hand is very tingly or numb, and they have to

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Speaker 19: shake it out to get the feeling back into the hand.

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Speaker 19: And that's often what we start to see. Now, it's

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Speaker 19: often with the palm aspect of the thumb, the index finger,

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Speaker 19: and the middle finger. They start to notice this in

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01:08:46,213 --> 01:08:48,813
Speaker 19: and occasionally people sort of say, well, look, I start

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Speaker 19: to get this electric shock thing when I'm holding a

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01:08:51,053 --> 01:08:55,133
Speaker 19: steering wheel or holding the newspaper. Now, over time, the

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01:08:55,173 --> 01:08:57,653
Speaker 19: pain can start to go up the arm up towards

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Speaker 19: the elbow, and if you leave it, the hand starts

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01:09:00,573 --> 01:09:04,653
Speaker 19: to become weak. So people describe they can't sort of

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01:09:04,693 --> 01:09:07,253
Speaker 19: hold onto cups and they may drop things, will feel

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Speaker 19: a bit clumsy. So it can progress over time and

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01:09:10,253 --> 01:09:13,253
Speaker 19: start to infare with grip with the hand.

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Speaker 2: So how do you diagnose it?

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Speaker 19: Well, look, often it's just a really careful history. So

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01:09:18,853 --> 01:09:21,213
Speaker 19: it's that thing when someone comes in and says, I'm

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01:09:21,253 --> 01:09:22,813
Speaker 19: waking up at night and having to shake up my

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01:09:22,893 --> 01:09:25,093
Speaker 19: hand and you start to think, well, you know, is

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01:09:25,133 --> 01:09:27,333
Speaker 19: this carpor tunnel. It can be other things, but that's

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01:09:27,373 --> 01:09:29,973
Speaker 19: the most common one. So we often examine the wrist

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01:09:30,053 --> 01:09:32,093
Speaker 19: and we'll do this thing where we sort of push

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01:09:32,133 --> 01:09:34,893
Speaker 19: the wrist over and hold it, and by putting it

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01:09:35,413 --> 01:09:38,733
Speaker 19: into this ninety degree position holding that, people start to

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01:09:38,733 --> 01:09:41,933
Speaker 19: get the numbness and the fingers I've just described now

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Speaker 19: specifically we'll often order what's called a nerve conduction study.

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01:09:46,333 --> 01:09:48,333
Speaker 19: So this is where they put electrodes on your arm.

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01:09:48,773 --> 01:09:51,853
Speaker 19: They put an electric shock down the arm, and what

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01:09:51,893 --> 01:09:54,573
Speaker 19: they see is the electric shock slows down as it

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01:09:54,613 --> 01:09:57,293
Speaker 19: goes through the wrist, and that pretty much tells us

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01:09:57,413 --> 01:09:59,053
Speaker 19: that's exactly what's going on.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 19: If we are concerned about another condition like diabetes, the

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Speaker 19: thire or something like that, we may order some blood tests,

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01:10:06,413 --> 01:10:07,973
Speaker 19: and occasion you will do an X ray to look

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01:10:07,973 --> 01:10:09,453
Speaker 19: for arthritis and things like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's going to cleve a little test, isn't it

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01:10:11,493 --> 01:10:14,653
Speaker 2: doing the you know, the electric measure down the arm.

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Speaker 2: So what do you do about it? If you are

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Speaker 2: diagnosed with a couple of times?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, well look look it depends on how bad it is.

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Speaker 19: So often just avoiding activities that trigger it may be

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01:10:24,373 --> 01:10:26,533
Speaker 19: a good thing to do. Like if you're hammering or whatever,

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Speaker 19: just don't hammer and you know, just just stop that.

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Speaker 19: And often we'll say, look, go to the chemist and

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Speaker 19: get a risk sprint splint. So this is a splint

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Speaker 19: you put onto your wrist. You often wear it at

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Speaker 19: night and it just keeps your wrist straight so your

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Speaker 19: wrist doesn't flop. Over because it's flopping over that causes

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01:10:41,573 --> 01:10:44,093
Speaker 19: the pressure on the nerve and often that just stops

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01:10:44,093 --> 01:10:46,373
Speaker 19: the symptoms. So just a risk splint is a very

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01:10:46,373 --> 01:10:48,013
Speaker 19: simple thing. You can do and wear it at night

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01:10:48,093 --> 01:10:54,013
Speaker 19: and the problem goes away. However, progressions progresses past that

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01:10:54,653 --> 01:10:56,533
Speaker 19: and you start to get the weakness and the pain

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01:10:56,613 --> 01:10:59,053
Speaker 19: up the arm, and it's happening during the day. We

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Speaker 19: send you off to an orthopedic surgeon and they do

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01:11:02,093 --> 01:11:05,013
Speaker 19: something called a carpal tunnel release where they under local

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01:11:05,013 --> 01:11:08,533
Speaker 19: anesthetic they just cut the ligament that that goes across

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01:11:08,813 --> 01:11:12,533
Speaker 19: the what's called the carpal tunnel releases the pressure and

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Speaker 19: pretty well one hundred percent of the time the problem

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01:11:15,293 --> 01:11:17,453
Speaker 19: is cured. So yeah, done deal.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, very brief, there is something you can do. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's absolutely yeah.

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Speaker 2: All very good, you know, and I I knew next

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Speaker 2: to nothing about carpal tunnels. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 19: Oh good jack, no problems.

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Speaker 2: Really appreciate your time. That is Dr Brian Betty with

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Speaker 2: us this morning. Thank you for your feedback.

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Speaker 1: We have had gunning with still Shop Free Accessories this

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Speaker 1: winter at Still Shot through.

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Speaker 2: Client pass is our man in the garden. Good morning, sir.

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Speaker 16: A very good morning to you, doctor Jack. Did you

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01:11:50,973 --> 01:11:53,853
Speaker 16: know that that whole reagun and stuff like that, You know,

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Speaker 16: I've just done that because I've been pruning all the

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01:11:56,973 --> 01:11:59,373
Speaker 16: the black currents and the and the bush.

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Speaker 2: You've been doing those contortions, You've been doing the kangaroo,

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01:12:02,933 --> 01:12:04,653
Speaker 2: the pass clime, pass kangaroo.

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Speaker 16: I knew you'd get into that because if anybody asked

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01:12:08,853 --> 01:12:11,013
Speaker 16: me do you like breakdancing? I always point out that

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01:12:11,013 --> 01:12:15,013
Speaker 16: I used to have rheumatoid arthritis and now have osteoarthritis.

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01:12:16,293 --> 01:12:18,573
Speaker 16: I said there, going like, well they're the cheapest.

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01:12:18,893 --> 01:12:22,373
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, not my gig now tennis.

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01:12:22,373 --> 01:12:23,813
Speaker 16: So but anyway, that's the story.

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01:12:23,893 --> 01:12:26,093
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he said, tell me year right, you need

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01:12:26,093 --> 01:12:26,973
Speaker 2: to start printing your beery.

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01:12:27,053 --> 01:12:28,213
Speaker 7: Yes it is, yeah, and it was.

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Speaker 16: Actually I've got a really good old Scottish make Mike,

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01:12:31,013 --> 01:12:33,013
Speaker 16: Mike Waterston is his name. He's my builder, but he's

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01:12:33,013 --> 01:12:35,613
Speaker 16: also a good friend. And he says, can you can

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01:12:35,693 --> 01:12:39,813
Speaker 16: you please tell me to prune my black currants because

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01:12:39,813 --> 01:12:41,933
Speaker 16: I haven't done it for a few years. I said,

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01:12:41,973 --> 01:12:45,213
Speaker 16: oh God, here we go. He not only has black currants,

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01:12:45,213 --> 01:12:47,653
Speaker 16: he's got red currents and gooseberries as well, and gooseberries

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01:12:47,653 --> 01:12:50,813
Speaker 16: are real buggers because they're prickly as heck. But anyway,

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01:12:51,413 --> 01:12:54,293
Speaker 16: so I took some photos in the garden and I

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01:12:54,373 --> 01:12:56,173
Speaker 16: think Libya will have put them on the on the

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01:12:56,173 --> 01:13:00,333
Speaker 16: interwebby and of what it looked like before we actually

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01:13:00,333 --> 01:13:03,053
Speaker 16: had a go a couple of days ago, and what

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01:13:03,093 --> 01:13:06,773
Speaker 16: it looks like now. And it's very very simple. These

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01:13:06,813 --> 01:13:10,333
Speaker 16: black currants, I love them because Julie makes the most

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01:13:10,773 --> 01:13:14,453
Speaker 16: amazing gem out of them. So I don't eat the

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01:13:15,093 --> 01:13:20,493
Speaker 16: berries themselves, but the gem is just anyway easy. Every year,

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01:13:20,493 --> 01:13:25,933
Speaker 16: you do it if you can. I'm not doing it

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01:13:25,973 --> 01:13:28,213
Speaker 16: every year because I don't always have the time. But

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01:13:28,293 --> 01:13:31,053
Speaker 16: they are basically a multi stemmed plant, so they come

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01:13:31,093 --> 01:13:33,533
Speaker 16: from basically the base where the roots are, and then

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01:13:33,573 --> 01:13:35,413
Speaker 16: all these stems go up. If you get more than

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01:13:36,133 --> 01:13:38,733
Speaker 16: six to ten stems, you really need to prune them

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01:13:38,733 --> 01:13:41,613
Speaker 16: out so it becomes a bit spacious in the middle.

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01:13:42,053 --> 01:13:43,573
Speaker 16: We've talked about it a lot with plants.

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01:13:43,853 --> 01:13:45,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because.

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Speaker 16: You know, if you've got very dense plants, you get

1435
01:13:47,373 --> 01:13:49,533
Speaker 16: a lot of moisture and then you get fungi and

1436
01:13:49,613 --> 01:13:51,533
Speaker 16: bacteria and all that. So this can so keep it

1437
01:13:51,533 --> 01:13:55,053
Speaker 16: a bit open. Secondly, go down to about or maybe

1438
01:13:56,213 --> 01:14:00,693
Speaker 16: four feet high if you like. Okay, And and basically

1439
01:14:00,733 --> 01:14:04,213
Speaker 16: the new plants will grow below where it's cut. Of course,

1440
01:14:04,293 --> 01:14:07,453
Speaker 16: in the new the new office that are coming down.

1441
01:14:07,613 --> 01:14:10,293
Speaker 16: So that's basically the simple way to do it.

1442
01:14:10,693 --> 01:14:12,533
Speaker 2: So that goes for the black currants, right.

1443
01:14:12,413 --> 01:14:15,573
Speaker 16: And it goes for the red currents as well. Goosberry's.

1444
01:14:15,733 --> 01:14:18,893
Speaker 16: As I said, prickly gloves, care for all that sort

1445
01:14:18,933 --> 01:14:22,333
Speaker 16: of stuff, similar sort of thing. But you cut out

1446
01:14:22,333 --> 01:14:25,813
Speaker 16: the really old branches. And you can always tell in

1447
01:14:25,893 --> 01:14:28,733
Speaker 16: these berries what the old branches. They're darker, they're larger,

1448
01:14:29,213 --> 01:14:33,613
Speaker 16: and they're thick, you know, really thick growth. Get rid

1449
01:14:33,653 --> 01:14:35,693
Speaker 16: of them after five years, I mean, honestly, get the

1450
01:14:35,773 --> 01:14:39,133
Speaker 16: new ones to do the job. And that is basically

1451
01:14:39,173 --> 01:14:43,453
Speaker 16: how it goes. Now as it happens. A day after

1452
01:14:43,493 --> 01:14:47,453
Speaker 16: we did this, we went harrier trapping in Leiston, just

1453
01:14:47,533 --> 01:14:50,453
Speaker 16: in south you knows it.

1454
01:14:50,493 --> 01:14:51,453
Speaker 2: Harriet hawk trapping.

1455
01:14:52,173 --> 01:14:52,733
Speaker 3: Harriet hawks.

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01:14:52,813 --> 01:14:54,573
Speaker 16: Yeah, we trapped them in and banded them and it's

1457
01:14:54,573 --> 01:14:56,933
Speaker 16: always good fun, but that's dangerous too. But anyway, we've

1458
01:14:56,973 --> 01:14:59,493
Speaker 16: got these cages, and some of these cages I put

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01:14:59,893 --> 01:15:04,693
Speaker 16: in the leastern black currant patches. There are acres and

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01:15:04,773 --> 01:15:07,693
Speaker 16: acres of them, and they can't do that by hand

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01:15:07,773 --> 01:15:08,333
Speaker 16: like we did.

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01:15:09,773 --> 01:15:10,213
Speaker 3: They do it.

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01:15:10,333 --> 01:15:12,773
Speaker 16: They do it literally with a machine that cuts it

1464
01:15:12,933 --> 01:15:17,293
Speaker 16: all down at four feet and goes every two years.

1465
01:15:17,813 --> 01:15:23,213
Speaker 16: So that to me indicates that you can be totally ruthless.

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01:15:23,213 --> 01:15:25,413
Speaker 2: That's good to know. So I don't. I don't have

1467
01:15:25,413 --> 01:15:28,653
Speaker 2: any currents at my place currently, but I do have

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01:15:29,493 --> 01:15:32,573
Speaker 2: I do have blueberries. So is there anything Yeah? Is

1469
01:15:32,573 --> 01:15:34,813
Speaker 2: there anything I need to do right now for blueberries? Oh,

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01:15:34,853 --> 01:15:36,373
Speaker 2: by the way, I've got an update for you in

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Speaker 2: a second.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I go.

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01:15:38,053 --> 01:15:38,093
Speaker 2: No.

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01:15:38,413 --> 01:15:40,253
Speaker 16: I to be quite honest, I don't. I don't grow

1475
01:15:40,293 --> 01:15:42,693
Speaker 16: blueberries because I always get birds in there in my

1476
01:15:43,733 --> 01:15:46,013
Speaker 16: and I tract those and it's not that great. My

1477
01:15:46,093 --> 01:15:48,973
Speaker 16: currents and my black parents and my blueberries and blue

1478
01:15:49,093 --> 01:15:52,973
Speaker 16: black parents and so on in a cage with netting,

1479
01:15:53,093 --> 01:15:54,653
Speaker 16: so they shouldn't get in.

1480
01:15:54,893 --> 01:15:59,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. The update, Well, the the update was that

1481
01:15:59,813 --> 01:16:02,133
Speaker 2: the plants that I was telling you about a definitely did.

1482
01:16:03,733 --> 01:16:03,813
Speaker 3: So.

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01:16:03,973 --> 01:16:04,853
Speaker 7: Oh you scraped them.

1484
01:16:04,973 --> 01:16:07,093
Speaker 2: I scraped them. Yeah, I mean scraped them. And I

1485
01:16:07,133 --> 01:16:09,173
Speaker 2: was like, oh, yep, these are dinners of doornail. I

1486
01:16:09,253 --> 01:16:11,613
Speaker 2: really tried. Yeah, so I've got rid of them. I've

1487
01:16:11,653 --> 01:16:13,453
Speaker 2: dug them out. I'm just we're going to have to restart.

1488
01:16:13,653 --> 01:16:15,333
Speaker 2: My wife keeps on saying that I keep on screwing

1489
01:16:15,413 --> 01:16:17,133
Speaker 2: up everything in the garden. But I've tried to explain

1490
01:16:17,173 --> 01:16:18,333
Speaker 2: it's all a learning process.

1491
01:16:18,773 --> 01:16:21,093
Speaker 16: No, no, I'm saying you should do that.

1492
01:16:21,293 --> 01:16:23,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what I see. I said, Well, she said,

1493
01:16:23,653 --> 01:16:25,133
Speaker 2: I can't believe you didn't water them. I said, how

1494
01:16:25,173 --> 01:16:30,053
Speaker 2: many times did you water them? Sweet? Huh ah, dolarsticity.

1495
01:16:30,573 --> 01:16:32,493
Speaker 2: But I have decided already. But part of the reason

1496
01:16:32,573 --> 01:16:34,373
Speaker 2: she was a little prickly was because I've decided that

1497
01:16:34,413 --> 01:16:36,093
Speaker 2: there are already more things that I want to grow,

1498
01:16:36,133 --> 01:16:38,453
Speaker 2: including I've decided that I'm I really want to have

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01:16:38,453 --> 01:16:41,453
Speaker 2: a tamarillo tree.

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01:16:40,253 --> 01:16:42,973
Speaker 3: Oh is so delicious.

1501
01:16:44,253 --> 01:16:46,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just feel like, especially at this time of year,

1502
01:16:46,173 --> 01:16:49,293
Speaker 2: they're just, oh my gosh, they're just absolutely outstanding.

1503
01:16:49,733 --> 01:16:49,933
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1504
01:16:50,213 --> 01:16:52,293
Speaker 16: You got to get good, good, so good soil, please,

1505
01:16:52,333 --> 01:16:54,493
Speaker 16: good well bred soil. That is that's your that is

1506
01:16:54,533 --> 01:16:55,213
Speaker 16: your investment.

1507
01:16:55,333 --> 01:16:56,893
Speaker 2: And water them, Yeah would be the key.

1508
01:16:56,973 --> 01:16:57,173
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:16:57,213 --> 01:17:00,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's guys. It goes a long way as well.

1510
01:17:00,453 --> 01:17:03,173
Speaker 2: Funny enough, Thank you very much, appreciate your time, as

1511
01:17:03,413 --> 01:17:07,093
Speaker 2: ever time and expertise. Rude climb past in the garden

1512
01:17:07,133 --> 01:17:11,293
Speaker 2: for us his tips on pruning your currents in time

1513
01:17:11,413 --> 01:17:13,693
Speaker 2: for summer. We'll be up on the news Talks EDB

1514
01:17:13,813 --> 01:17:16,533
Speaker 2: website after eleven o'clock this morning. Really looking forward to

1515
01:17:16,533 --> 01:17:18,413
Speaker 2: having a bit more of a listen to Troy Kingy's

1516
01:17:18,493 --> 01:17:20,893
Speaker 2: new album. So he's joined up with this group, the

1517
01:17:20,933 --> 01:17:24,413
Speaker 2: Cactus Handshake. What a name Maye. Troy Kingy and the

1518
01:17:24,413 --> 01:17:28,013
Speaker 2: Cactus Handshake have got a new album called Leatherman in

1519
01:17:28,093 --> 01:17:31,573
Speaker 2: the Mohave Green. Really really looking forward to listening to

1520
01:17:31,653 --> 01:17:35,453
Speaker 2: the eighth album in his ten ten ten series, as

1521
01:17:35,453 --> 01:17:38,333
Speaker 2: well as that our travel correspondent is taking us to

1522
01:17:38,373 --> 01:17:41,773
Speaker 2: two small islands outside of Malta's Big One. News is

1523
01:17:41,813 --> 01:17:43,173
Speaker 2: next on Newstalg ZEDB.

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01:17:44,373 --> 01:17:48,133
Speaker 1: Saturday mornings with Jack Day keeping the conversation going through

1525
01:17:48,173 --> 01:17:51,093
Speaker 1: the weekend with bpure dot cot dot in here for

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01:17:51,173 --> 01:18:32,973
Speaker 1: high quality supplements used Talks EDB.

1527
01:18:17,853 --> 01:18:25,333
Speaker 2: Gray Sodden Grim. The conditions I have to report in

1528
01:18:25,413 --> 01:18:29,013
Speaker 2: the nine at Eden Park are looking pretty damp ahead

1529
01:18:29,013 --> 01:18:31,653
Speaker 2: of the All Blacks. Second testing is Argentina, of course,

1530
01:18:31,693 --> 01:18:34,933
Speaker 2: kickoff just after seven pm tonight. At about eleven thirty

1531
01:18:34,973 --> 01:18:36,333
Speaker 2: this morning, We're going to take your live to Eden

1532
01:18:36,373 --> 01:18:38,573
Speaker 2: Park to see how things are shaping up at the

1533
01:18:38,573 --> 01:18:40,693
Speaker 2: ground a head of Weekend Sport the O This afternoon,

1534
01:18:40,773 --> 01:18:44,373
Speaker 2: Jason Pine is on Weekend Sport. He'll be broadcasting live

1535
01:18:45,053 --> 01:18:47,893
Speaker 2: from Eden Park as we count down to kickoff and

1536
01:18:47,933 --> 01:18:49,293
Speaker 2: of course news talks. He be is going to have

1537
01:18:49,453 --> 01:18:53,773
Speaker 2: live commentary coverage of the All Blacks Argentina Los Pumas

1538
01:18:54,253 --> 01:18:56,333
Speaker 2: tonight just after seven o'clock, so looking forward to that.

1539
01:18:56,413 --> 01:19:00,693
Speaker 2: Right now it is eight minutes past eleven, Jack. And

1540
01:19:00,733 --> 01:19:03,773
Speaker 2: it has to be said that Kate Hall, our sustainability expert,

1541
01:19:03,813 --> 01:19:05,533
Speaker 2: puts most of us to shame when it comes to

1542
01:19:05,693 --> 01:19:10,573
Speaker 2: sustainable the projects. Sometimes though, sometimes even the most open

1543
01:19:10,653 --> 01:19:14,013
Speaker 2: minded of us have to think huh with some of

1544
01:19:14,013 --> 01:19:16,333
Speaker 2: the things that Kate decides to do, and I reckon

1545
01:19:16,373 --> 01:19:18,533
Speaker 2: she's got a real doozy for us today morning.

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01:19:18,333 --> 01:19:20,093
Speaker 11: Kate, Good morning Jack.

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01:19:20,293 --> 01:19:25,333
Speaker 2: Okay, tell us about the project you've just undertaken involving

1548
01:19:25,613 --> 01:19:27,773
Speaker 2: drying avocado pips.

1549
01:19:28,653 --> 01:19:32,813
Speaker 6: Yes, so you know we know that buttons are usually

1550
01:19:32,813 --> 01:19:36,653
Speaker 6: made from plastic, right, which plastic try to avoid as

1551
01:19:36,693 --> 01:19:39,853
Speaker 6: much as possible, and also avocado pips usually just go

1552
01:19:39,973 --> 01:19:42,533
Speaker 6: straight in the compoff so you can't really eat them.

1553
01:19:42,573 --> 01:19:44,613
Speaker 6: That some people say you can, but I'm not about

1554
01:19:44,613 --> 01:19:49,013
Speaker 6: to try, and they're kind of yeah, they're a waste.

1555
01:19:49,573 --> 01:19:55,453
Speaker 6: So I saw some inspiration online and sometimes sometimes online

1556
01:19:55,893 --> 01:19:58,493
Speaker 6: kind of doi tips really don't work out, you know,

1557
01:19:58,853 --> 01:20:02,373
Speaker 6: they're faking something in a video, but this one works.

1558
01:20:02,733 --> 01:20:05,773
Speaker 6: So I made buttons from avocado pips.

1559
01:20:05,893 --> 01:20:08,853
Speaker 2: What so just talk us through the process of that.

1560
01:20:09,013 --> 01:20:13,013
Speaker 6: Yes, so I laid probably about six or seven of

1561
01:20:13,053 --> 01:20:16,253
Speaker 6: them on the windowsill for about a week. Yes, yep,

1562
01:20:16,333 --> 01:20:17,093
Speaker 6: avocado pips.

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01:20:17,173 --> 01:20:17,373
Speaker 3: Yep.

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01:20:17,693 --> 01:20:19,853
Speaker 6: So there was a good excuss that you want avocados,

1565
01:20:21,453 --> 01:20:24,413
Speaker 6: and so they drive you take off that like husky

1566
01:20:24,493 --> 01:20:26,933
Speaker 6: bit that often kind of falls off. They're outer kind

1567
01:20:26,933 --> 01:20:30,573
Speaker 6: of shell. And then I cut them up into kind

1568
01:20:30,573 --> 01:20:32,973
Speaker 6: of the thickness I wanted for a button, but I

1569
01:20:33,053 --> 01:20:36,573
Speaker 6: kept them quite thick and chunky, and then cut them

1570
01:20:36,573 --> 01:20:40,173
Speaker 6: into the shape of a button. And I thought, because pips,

1571
01:20:40,213 --> 01:20:43,973
Speaker 6: like avocado pips, are pretty tough, so I thought, maybe

1572
01:20:44,013 --> 01:20:45,733
Speaker 6: i'd need like a saw or you.

1573
01:20:45,653 --> 01:20:47,493
Speaker 2: Know, how did you cut them?

1574
01:20:47,853 --> 01:20:50,093
Speaker 6: Well, literally don't have a kitchen knife, like, not even

1575
01:20:50,173 --> 01:20:54,013
Speaker 6: a super sharp one. They're actually pretty soft and yeah,

1576
01:20:54,173 --> 01:20:56,253
Speaker 6: easy to work with. So yeah, once I had that

1577
01:20:56,613 --> 01:21:00,573
Speaker 6: button kind of shape, I then laid them again on

1578
01:21:00,613 --> 01:21:03,333
Speaker 6: the window sill to dry, and then kind of from

1579
01:21:03,373 --> 01:21:07,133
Speaker 6: that point they just basically act like wood So I

1580
01:21:07,213 --> 01:21:09,413
Speaker 6: then sanded them so they're all round like a button.

1581
01:21:09,773 --> 01:21:12,453
Speaker 6: Actually sorry, before I drive the button shape, I also

1582
01:21:12,653 --> 01:21:15,413
Speaker 6: just use a really thin drill bit I make the

1583
01:21:15,453 --> 01:21:18,773
Speaker 6: two holes for the button. Yeah, sanded them to shape

1584
01:21:18,853 --> 01:21:22,093
Speaker 6: and oiled them up, and they just look exactly like

1585
01:21:22,173 --> 01:21:25,613
Speaker 6: wooden buttons that you you know, wooden buttons and shops

1586
01:21:25,653 --> 01:21:27,533
Speaker 6: are not sure if you've ever had to buy some,

1587
01:21:27,613 --> 01:21:30,933
Speaker 6: but they're pretty expensive and this only costed a bit

1588
01:21:30,973 --> 01:21:34,253
Speaker 6: of my time, which you know, some people argue, just

1589
01:21:34,493 --> 01:21:38,093
Speaker 6: go buy the done buttons case. But it was really

1590
01:21:38,093 --> 01:21:40,213
Speaker 6: fun and it was satisfying, and.

1591
01:21:40,893 --> 01:21:43,613
Speaker 2: You know, like why not So how many buttons you had?

1592
01:21:43,653 --> 01:21:45,613
Speaker 2: Six or seven? Evercada? How many buttons did you end

1593
01:21:45,693 --> 01:21:45,853
Speaker 2: up with?

1594
01:21:46,893 --> 01:21:49,733
Speaker 6: Well, I was really picky with the colors, but I

1595
01:21:49,813 --> 01:21:52,653
Speaker 6: wanted for the button so and also the strength. So

1596
01:21:53,133 --> 01:21:56,213
Speaker 6: I know some people have made a Vocado buttons before,

1597
01:21:56,733 --> 01:22:01,853
Speaker 6: not many people, but some, and they say that they snapped,

1598
01:22:01,893 --> 01:22:04,973
Speaker 6: so I like basically did a snap test at the

1599
01:22:05,053 --> 01:22:08,493
Speaker 6: very beginning, so I reckon, So I've got ten buttons,

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01:22:09,013 --> 01:22:11,813
Speaker 6: but I like there was mould for at the start,

1601
01:22:11,853 --> 01:22:12,133
Speaker 6: but they.

1602
01:22:12,173 --> 01:22:13,773
Speaker 2: Just they didn't make the cut.

1603
01:22:14,973 --> 01:22:16,973
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, ten really strong.

1604
01:22:16,933 --> 01:22:19,813
Speaker 2: So you're probably you're probably going to get one to

1605
01:22:19,973 --> 01:22:22,653
Speaker 2: make between one and two buttons per stone once you

1606
01:22:22,653 --> 01:22:23,253
Speaker 2: get good.

1607
01:22:24,253 --> 01:22:27,413
Speaker 6: Once ones that are really really good. But you could

1608
01:22:27,653 --> 01:22:32,213
Speaker 6: technically get ten buttons from one pit because you're slicing

1609
01:22:32,253 --> 01:22:36,653
Speaker 6: this and but the there's the science behind the avocado pip.

1610
01:22:36,893 --> 01:22:39,813
Speaker 6: You know you up closing personal There's different grains of it,

1611
01:22:39,973 --> 01:22:42,413
Speaker 6: it grows in different ways, there's different kind of actually

1612
01:22:42,493 --> 01:22:46,333
Speaker 6: knobbly bits inside. You gotta yeah, you've got to be

1613
01:22:46,373 --> 01:22:48,333
Speaker 6: picky if you want buttons that can last.

1614
01:22:48,533 --> 01:22:50,133
Speaker 2: And how do you put a hole in the buttons?

1615
01:22:51,093 --> 01:22:54,733
Speaker 6: So again it's it sounds like you have to like

1616
01:22:54,813 --> 01:22:57,933
Speaker 6: drill it, but I just with my hand twisted a

1617
01:22:58,093 --> 01:23:04,453
Speaker 6: really really fine drill bit through the avocado literally just

1618
01:23:04,533 --> 01:23:07,573
Speaker 6: with pressure. So yeah, I didn't have to use any

1619
01:23:07,573 --> 01:23:10,773
Speaker 6: power tools or anything. And it actually it was much

1620
01:23:10,933 --> 01:23:12,973
Speaker 6: softer and easier after you dry it.

1621
01:23:13,013 --> 01:23:13,213
Speaker 5: Then.

1622
01:23:13,453 --> 01:23:16,533
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it's hard like a game, exactly like wood,

1623
01:23:17,373 --> 01:23:18,173
Speaker 6: but it worked a trade.

1624
01:23:18,253 --> 01:23:20,853
Speaker 2: And what have you used them on? Now? Like if

1625
01:23:20,893 --> 01:23:23,853
Speaker 2: you you've like, have you got a sweeter that needed

1626
01:23:24,013 --> 01:23:26,133
Speaker 2: or a cardigan that needed buttons or something.

1627
01:23:26,413 --> 01:23:29,013
Speaker 6: Yes, so that that inspiration behind it was Mum had

1628
01:23:29,013 --> 01:23:32,493
Speaker 6: made this little kid's jersey which hopefully will be for

1629
01:23:32,573 --> 01:23:36,853
Speaker 6: my future children one day, and so we put some Yeah,

1630
01:23:36,853 --> 01:23:39,933
Speaker 6: we put those little buttons onto the card again, so

1631
01:23:40,253 --> 01:23:41,933
Speaker 6: you know, there might be a kid one day who

1632
01:23:41,973 --> 01:23:46,293
Speaker 6: can be like, yeah, actually, my mom, they do, but

1633
01:23:46,773 --> 01:23:49,413
Speaker 6: they might get teased, but you know they would probably

1634
01:23:49,413 --> 01:23:52,373
Speaker 6: be They'll probably get more friends from it. I'd like

1635
01:23:52,413 --> 01:23:52,733
Speaker 6: to think.

1636
01:23:52,893 --> 01:23:56,613
Speaker 2: So if you didn't know better, and you just saw

1637
01:23:56,653 --> 01:23:58,773
Speaker 2: the clothing or saw the buttons with it all that,

1638
01:23:58,813 --> 01:24:00,293
Speaker 2: you know, saw the item of clothing with the buttons

1639
01:24:00,293 --> 01:24:01,653
Speaker 2: on it, would you know any better?

1640
01:24:02,413 --> 01:24:05,613
Speaker 6: No? Absolutely not. You just think they were those fancy

1641
01:24:05,653 --> 01:24:08,973
Speaker 6: wooden buttons that someone brought for like thirty to fifty

1642
01:24:09,013 --> 01:24:10,373
Speaker 6: dollars in a craft shop.

1643
01:24:10,813 --> 01:24:14,413
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay yeah? And could you like you presume they

1644
01:24:14,413 --> 01:24:16,053
Speaker 2: could color them and stuff as well, right, if you

1645
01:24:16,093 --> 01:24:17,573
Speaker 2: really were enthusiastical.

1646
01:24:18,093 --> 01:24:21,493
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know how how they take to die

1647
01:24:21,613 --> 01:24:23,653
Speaker 6: that you could and you have vanish them. Maybe I

1648
01:24:23,653 --> 01:24:24,853
Speaker 6: didn't really want to vanish.

1649
01:24:24,573 --> 01:24:27,253
Speaker 2: Them, probably anyway, right, Yeah.

1650
01:24:27,173 --> 01:24:31,133
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. Grains yep, man, you think of.

1651
01:24:31,133 --> 01:24:33,413
Speaker 2: Some crazy things. So we do you like we we

1652
01:24:33,573 --> 01:24:35,893
Speaker 2: do you get your inspiration for stuff like this?

1653
01:24:37,173 --> 01:24:42,093
Speaker 6: I think I do like to spend time looking at

1654
01:24:42,133 --> 01:24:45,813
Speaker 6: different materials and items and I'm like, you know, like

1655
01:24:45,893 --> 01:24:46,853
Speaker 6: what else could this be?

1656
01:24:47,173 --> 01:24:47,933
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1657
01:24:48,013 --> 01:24:50,693
Speaker 6: So I like to get creative with food and different things.

1658
01:24:50,693 --> 01:24:53,693
Speaker 6: But also you just when you look around and think

1659
01:24:53,693 --> 01:24:56,933
Speaker 6: about different elements that we often throw out or just

1660
01:24:57,013 --> 01:25:00,013
Speaker 6: walk by, like hit eyes on the ground that you rescue,

1661
01:25:00,213 --> 01:25:03,453
Speaker 6: you know, different things that you think rubbish or Yeah,

1662
01:25:03,493 --> 01:25:07,533
Speaker 6: I think I just try to and they get my

1663
01:25:07,613 --> 01:25:11,173
Speaker 6: creativity flowing things. You know, this is this is a waste?

1664
01:25:11,293 --> 01:25:12,293
Speaker 6: What else could this be?

1665
01:25:12,613 --> 01:25:13,493
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1666
01:25:13,533 --> 01:25:17,253
Speaker 6: And that's really fun and satisfying. Also obviously following other

1667
01:25:17,413 --> 01:25:21,133
Speaker 6: inspirational accounts online and just keeping your eyes, eyes and

1668
01:25:21,173 --> 01:25:24,213
Speaker 6: ears peeled for different ideas as helpful to So.

1669
01:25:24,173 --> 01:25:27,293
Speaker 2: You've done the avocado buttons. We know that you recycle

1670
01:25:27,373 --> 01:25:29,213
Speaker 2: the here ties that you find on the ground, just

1671
01:25:29,293 --> 01:25:31,413
Speaker 2: roindose here ties, you give them a wash and just

1672
01:25:31,573 --> 01:25:31,933
Speaker 2: where you go.

1673
01:25:32,733 --> 01:25:34,253
Speaker 6: Honestly, never buy a hearsay games.

1674
01:25:34,333 --> 01:25:34,573
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1675
01:25:34,733 --> 01:25:38,973
Speaker 2: So is there any other crazy, like really unusual little

1676
01:25:38,973 --> 01:25:40,933
Speaker 2: sustainability hacks you have for us?

1677
01:25:41,773 --> 01:25:46,173
Speaker 6: Well recently, I actually this a few years ago, but

1678
01:25:46,213 --> 01:25:48,213
Speaker 6: I've really gotten into the habit now it's been great.

1679
01:25:48,693 --> 01:25:51,653
Speaker 6: I ate a lot of eggs from a local egg

1680
01:25:51,733 --> 01:25:56,773
Speaker 6: lady and they the eggshell, you know, is really good

1681
01:25:56,933 --> 01:25:58,853
Speaker 6: for the garden, but when you put it in the composts,

1682
01:25:58,853 --> 01:26:01,533
Speaker 6: they don't actually break down very fast. Yeah, right, like

1683
01:26:01,853 --> 01:26:04,973
Speaker 6: even once you've kind of got cured and processed composts,

1684
01:26:05,013 --> 01:26:08,373
Speaker 6: often there's but it's an eggshall So I leave my

1685
01:26:08,373 --> 01:26:11,093
Speaker 6: eggshells out to dry and then put them in a

1686
01:26:11,133 --> 01:26:13,853
Speaker 6: container in my fridge. So like currently in my fridge

1687
01:26:13,853 --> 01:26:17,133
Speaker 6: you'll find two quite large containers just full of eggshells.

1688
01:26:17,733 --> 01:26:19,853
Speaker 6: Then when I next have the oven on wi sholl

1689
01:26:19,893 --> 01:26:23,533
Speaker 6: actually be today some roast vegetables. I'll lay all those

1690
01:26:23,533 --> 01:26:28,573
Speaker 6: eggshells out on a tray in the oven to fully dry,

1691
01:26:29,093 --> 01:26:30,933
Speaker 6: and then I blend them in my blender and it

1692
01:26:30,973 --> 01:26:35,413
Speaker 6: makes this fine, fine white powder, and then I can

1693
01:26:35,453 --> 01:26:39,653
Speaker 6: add that to my house plants, to my did you garten? Yeah,

1694
01:26:40,173 --> 01:26:43,933
Speaker 6: as a fertilizer. And they say that like pests and

1695
01:26:44,773 --> 01:26:47,493
Speaker 6: and sick some stuff don't really like it too, So

1696
01:26:47,773 --> 01:26:49,933
Speaker 6: I kind of haven't fully put that to the test yet.

1697
01:26:49,933 --> 01:26:52,613
Speaker 6: I'm doing some tests, but yeah, it's a much much

1698
01:26:52,653 --> 01:26:53,413
Speaker 6: better fertilizer.

1699
01:26:53,493 --> 01:26:55,813
Speaker 2: No, that's very clever. Yeah, okay, all right, I'm going

1700
01:26:55,853 --> 01:26:57,453
Speaker 2: to leave you with a question for you to stew

1701
01:26:57,533 --> 01:26:59,973
Speaker 2: over the next time we speak. Okay, okay, there's a question.

1702
01:27:00,133 --> 01:27:01,893
Speaker 2: When you think about all these different things that you do,

1703
01:27:02,053 --> 01:27:05,573
Speaker 2: the recycling eggshells, all that kind of stuff, how many

1704
01:27:05,653 --> 01:27:08,573
Speaker 2: minutes are hours of day do you think you spend

1705
01:27:08,773 --> 01:27:12,453
Speaker 2: doing like sustainability hacks? So think about that. You can

1706
01:27:12,493 --> 01:27:14,373
Speaker 2: tell us next time we speak. You stew over it

1707
01:27:14,413 --> 01:27:16,013
Speaker 2: and now work it out. You come back to us

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01:27:16,053 --> 01:27:17,933
Speaker 2: with a number, and thank you so much. You've got

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01:27:17,973 --> 01:27:19,333
Speaker 2: to put some of those photos online so we can

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01:27:19,373 --> 01:27:23,333
Speaker 2: see you what your avocado buttons look like. Okay, absolutely fantastic,

1711
01:27:23,533 --> 01:27:26,973
Speaker 2: So Okate, thank you. That is Kate Haull, our sustainability commentator.

1712
01:27:27,013 --> 01:27:29,293
Speaker 2: You can find her on the social media platforms and

1713
01:27:29,293 --> 01:27:32,813
Speaker 2: hopefully see some of those photos by searching ethically Kate.

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01:27:33,253 --> 01:27:38,173
Speaker 2: It's sixteen minutes past eleven, Jack. Well, today we've got

1715
01:27:38,173 --> 01:27:40,493
Speaker 2: Lisa from b Pure joining us to talk about a

1716
01:27:40,533 --> 01:27:45,173
Speaker 2: really important topic energy. Get a Lisa.

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01:27:45,293 --> 01:27:47,573
Speaker 20: Hey, Jay, thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here.

1718
01:27:47,773 --> 01:27:49,733
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, well, we all know how tough it can

1719
01:27:49,773 --> 01:27:51,773
Speaker 2: be just to get through the day when you don't

1720
01:27:51,853 --> 01:27:53,733
Speaker 2: feel like you have enough energy. Can you tell us

1721
01:27:53,733 --> 01:27:55,933
Speaker 2: why energy is so crucial for our health?

1722
01:27:57,453 --> 01:28:01,893
Speaker 20: Absolutely, Jack, Energy is essentially the currency of health.

1723
01:28:02,173 --> 01:28:04,013
Speaker 6: It's what gives us the ability to.

1724
01:28:03,973 --> 01:28:06,853
Speaker 20: Do everything we need and want to do in a day.

1725
01:28:07,333 --> 01:28:08,733
Speaker 10: Without it, like, can get.

1726
01:28:08,613 --> 01:28:11,893
Speaker 20: Really tough, especially during those long winter months when many

1727
01:28:11,893 --> 01:28:13,293
Speaker 20: of us struggle with low energy.

1728
01:28:13,493 --> 01:28:15,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So how can

1729
01:28:15,133 --> 01:28:17,093
Speaker 2: we make sure that we do have enough energy?

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01:28:18,613 --> 01:28:18,893
Speaker 11: Well?

1731
01:28:19,133 --> 01:28:22,773
Speaker 20: Eedge of production in our bodies depends heavily on essential nutrients.

1732
01:28:23,413 --> 01:28:25,733
Speaker 20: Ensuring you have all the es central nutrients your body

1733
01:28:25,773 --> 01:28:28,933
Speaker 20: needs is key to feeling at your best ed. Essential

1734
01:28:29,013 --> 01:28:34,213
Speaker 20: nutrients include minerals like magnesium and zinc, B vitamins, vitamin CD, E,

1735
01:28:34,453 --> 01:28:36,493
Speaker 20: K and A, and essential fitty acids.

1736
01:28:36,853 --> 01:28:39,333
Speaker 2: So I didn't know how important those nutrients actually are.

1737
01:28:39,333 --> 01:28:40,253
Speaker 2: Where can I find them?

1738
01:28:41,773 --> 01:28:44,533
Speaker 20: You can find all the central nutrients and the BPO

1739
01:28:44,573 --> 01:28:47,253
Speaker 20: one multivitamin and beef your three fish oil.

1740
01:28:47,733 --> 01:28:48,813
Speaker 6: These are high quality.

1741
01:28:48,573 --> 01:28:51,093
Speaker 20: Supplements that are designed to provide your body with what

1742
01:28:51,213 --> 01:28:53,173
Speaker 20: it needs to produce energy and help.

1743
01:28:53,013 --> 01:28:53,933
Speaker 6: You to feel your best.

1744
01:28:54,013 --> 01:28:57,973
Speaker 2: Oh fantastic. So for anyone struggling with low energy, especially

1745
01:28:58,053 --> 01:29:00,013
Speaker 2: in the middle of winter. B Pure could be a

1746
01:29:00,053 --> 01:29:00,733
Speaker 2: game changer.

1747
01:29:02,213 --> 01:29:05,773
Speaker 20: Absolutely, Jack, be if your exists to restore your essential energy,

1748
01:29:06,053 --> 01:29:06,933
Speaker 20: so give it a tray.

1749
01:29:07,013 --> 01:29:09,813
Speaker 2: Thank you, Lisa. Everyone check out b Pure one multi

1750
01:29:09,893 --> 01:29:13,733
Speaker 2: vitamin and be Pure three fish oil to boost your

1751
01:29:13,853 --> 01:29:17,453
Speaker 2: energy levels. Read the label, takes directed and if symptoms persist,

1752
01:29:17,693 --> 01:29:18,773
Speaker 2: see your health professional.

1753
01:29:19,373 --> 01:29:23,533
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Speaker 2: Mike, Yeah, there's our travel correspondent. Hey Mike, good.

1756
01:29:28,013 --> 01:29:30,053
Speaker 11: Morning, Jack. What's your score line for tonight?

1757
01:29:30,493 --> 01:29:32,693
Speaker 2: I reckon AB's by fourteen?

1758
01:29:34,013 --> 01:29:37,253
Speaker 11: Yeah, fourteen. Yeah, I've said thirty six fourteen, So yeah,

1759
01:29:37,253 --> 01:29:38,333
Speaker 11: we're on a similar page.

1760
01:29:38,493 --> 01:29:41,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it feels like, yeah, I think I

1761
01:29:42,013 --> 01:29:45,653
Speaker 2: feel cautiously optimistic that they're going to avenge last week.

1762
01:29:45,653 --> 01:29:48,293
Speaker 2: It's funny, there hasn't really been you know, we haven't

1763
01:29:48,293 --> 01:29:50,293
Speaker 2: been kind of gnashing our teeth too much. After that

1764
01:29:50,293 --> 01:29:53,173
Speaker 2: performance last week. You wonder how different it might have been,

1765
01:29:53,213 --> 01:29:56,173
Speaker 2: have we not just had the Olympics. You know, Yeah,

1766
01:29:56,333 --> 01:29:58,333
Speaker 2: there was a game to lose. From the all backs

1767
01:29:58,333 --> 01:30:00,493
Speaker 2: management perspective, that was probably the one, right.

1768
01:30:00,973 --> 01:30:03,773
Speaker 11: That's the one, definitely, Yeah, I mean the Olympics were

1769
01:30:03,853 --> 01:30:06,773
Speaker 11: just extraordinary, weren't that he really would? Yeah, low of

1770
01:30:06,813 --> 01:30:08,773
Speaker 11: it from a New Zealand perspective, amazing.

1771
01:30:08,973 --> 01:30:11,333
Speaker 2: Just say it's amazing how it kind of affects us all.

1772
01:30:11,333 --> 01:30:12,893
Speaker 2: You've always got a bit of a spring in their

1773
01:30:12,933 --> 01:30:16,973
Speaker 2: step and stuff. They great. Yeah, anyway, speaking of a

1774
01:30:16,973 --> 01:30:19,213
Speaker 2: bit of a spring in our step. We are focusing

1775
01:30:19,293 --> 01:30:21,213
Speaker 2: on a beautiful part of the world this morning. And

1776
01:30:21,293 --> 01:30:24,333
Speaker 2: I must admit when I think of Malta, I think

1777
01:30:24,333 --> 01:30:27,453
Speaker 2: of one island, right, and I think most people are

1778
01:30:27,453 --> 01:30:30,933
Speaker 2: probably in the same boat there. But this morning you

1779
01:30:30,933 --> 01:30:34,813
Speaker 2: are focusing on Gozo and Comino, which are Malta's little

1780
01:30:34,893 --> 01:30:38,613
Speaker 2: rock stars. So beyond Malta's grade main island, how easy

1781
01:30:38,773 --> 01:30:40,693
Speaker 2: is it to get to those smaller siblings.

1782
01:30:41,293 --> 01:30:44,133
Speaker 11: The good news is super easy, Jack. So from the

1783
01:30:44,173 --> 01:30:47,413
Speaker 11: main island every day there is this daily flow tiller

1784
01:30:47,493 --> 01:30:50,693
Speaker 11: of furies that zip across the water from Sliama, which

1785
01:30:50,733 --> 01:30:53,973
Speaker 11: is next to Valleta on the main island, and they

1786
01:30:54,013 --> 01:30:56,293
Speaker 11: link up with Gozo and Camino. It's about a forty

1787
01:30:56,293 --> 01:30:59,493
Speaker 11: five minute crossing. And the really cool thing is you

1788
01:30:59,533 --> 01:31:04,093
Speaker 11: see some stirring history along the way, like Saint Paul's Bay. Now,

1789
01:31:04,133 --> 01:31:07,893
Speaker 11: this bay is where Paul was wrecked after being arrested.

1790
01:31:07,933 --> 01:31:10,773
Speaker 11: He was en route to Rome to be executed by

1791
01:31:10,813 --> 01:31:14,493
Speaker 11: the Imperial Court for converting people to Christianity. So you

1792
01:31:14,573 --> 01:31:17,653
Speaker 11: see that site. So whether you are looking for an

1793
01:31:17,733 --> 01:31:21,573
Speaker 11: action packed day excursion from the main island or you

1794
01:31:21,573 --> 01:31:23,773
Speaker 11: want to have a longer stay on Gozo and Camino,

1795
01:31:24,173 --> 01:31:27,293
Speaker 11: it is a quick and easy hopscotch between those Maltese islands.

1796
01:31:27,333 --> 01:31:30,053
Speaker 2: Oh nice, and what would be some of Gozo's big drawers.

1797
01:31:31,133 --> 01:31:34,493
Speaker 11: I think it's the high watted coastal beauty of Gozo

1798
01:31:34,613 --> 01:31:38,693
Speaker 11: that just staggers people when they arrive. My favorite spot,

1799
01:31:38,773 --> 01:31:40,893
Speaker 11: which I would suggest people check out, is a place

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01:31:40,933 --> 01:31:45,653
Speaker 11: called Glendy Bay. It is blindingly beautiful and I think

1801
01:31:45,693 --> 01:31:49,213
Speaker 11: it's the location which makes it so incredible. It's sandwiched

1802
01:31:49,293 --> 01:31:54,133
Speaker 11: between stunning, dramatic cliffs and Elcantra Valley, which is just

1803
01:31:54,693 --> 01:31:55,733
Speaker 11: as green.

1804
01:31:55,493 --> 01:31:56,133
Speaker 3: As you get.

1805
01:31:56,813 --> 01:32:00,293
Speaker 11: There's this gorgeous old watch tower which was built after

1806
01:32:00,333 --> 01:32:05,413
Speaker 11: an early Ottoman attack completely wiped out Gozo's population, so

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01:32:05,533 --> 01:32:07,493
Speaker 11: you can climb up to it and you get the

1808
01:32:07,653 --> 01:32:13,493
Speaker 11: most epic view across Gozo. And then a bit of

1809
01:32:13,533 --> 01:32:15,813
Speaker 11: an in the no sort of secret there are these

1810
01:32:15,893 --> 01:32:21,693
Speaker 11: stone steps that descend down into this little cove of course,

1811
01:32:21,813 --> 01:32:25,653
Speaker 11: Caroline's Cove, and this was the secret stairway jack that

1812
01:32:25,773 --> 01:32:29,253
Speaker 11: was created back in the day for the local Augustinian

1813
01:32:29,413 --> 01:32:32,053
Speaker 11: nuns so they could have a little dip in the

1814
01:32:32,093 --> 01:32:36,813
Speaker 11: Mediterranean in complete solitude, as you do when you're a nun.

1815
01:32:36,933 --> 01:32:39,573
Speaker 11: So that's a stunning spot to check out as well.

1816
01:32:39,653 --> 01:32:42,333
Speaker 2: Yeah right, So tell us about Gozo's main town, Victoria.

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01:32:43,093 --> 01:32:45,893
Speaker 11: Yeah, like the Lisa, she is stately, with lots of

1818
01:32:45,893 --> 01:32:49,613
Speaker 11: butterscotch limestone buildings that glow in the sunshine. But best

1819
01:32:49,653 --> 01:32:53,493
Speaker 11: of all, the ancient citadel on the highest hilltop. It's

1820
01:32:53,573 --> 01:32:57,733
Speaker 11: like a portal to the past seven thousand years of

1821
01:32:57,853 --> 01:33:01,973
Speaker 11: human settlement. And the first fortifications were built there about

1822
01:33:01,973 --> 01:33:04,533
Speaker 11: three and a half thousand years ago and then they

1823
01:33:04,533 --> 01:33:07,573
Speaker 11: were just steadily added to. But as you walk around

1824
01:33:08,173 --> 01:33:11,933
Speaker 11: the lanes and explore the buildings, it just feels like

1825
01:33:12,053 --> 01:33:16,853
Speaker 11: the ultimatum time travel. And Malta has spent a truckload

1826
01:33:16,973 --> 01:33:21,653
Speaker 11: in restoring the entire citadel, so you do feel like

1827
01:33:21,773 --> 01:33:25,173
Speaker 11: you're walking in a movie set on a gigantic scale.

1828
01:33:25,293 --> 01:33:28,333
Speaker 2: Yeah right, okay, nice, any memorable eats there.

1829
01:33:29,333 --> 01:33:32,093
Speaker 11: Well, back in the central Victoria Independence Square is the

1830
01:33:32,133 --> 01:33:36,013
Speaker 11: beating heart of town. It buzzes with Alfresco cafes, but

1831
01:33:36,333 --> 01:33:40,053
Speaker 11: one of the best mouthfuls of Malta. Head to the

1832
01:33:40,093 --> 01:33:45,733
Speaker 11: hole in the wall street vendors who sell pastisi pastisi. Now,

1833
01:33:45,773 --> 01:33:49,933
Speaker 11: these traditional savory fellow puff pastries are stuffed with ricotta

1834
01:33:50,413 --> 01:33:54,013
Speaker 11: or curried mushy peas, which is a bit of a

1835
01:33:54,053 --> 01:33:58,093
Speaker 11: British hangover that has decided to stuff there pastisi with

1836
01:33:58,133 --> 01:34:01,813
Speaker 11: the mushy peas. But whatever, they back into their pastizi.

1837
01:34:02,253 --> 01:34:04,413
Speaker 11: You know it's going to be good. They're about fifty

1838
01:34:04,453 --> 01:34:06,733
Speaker 11: cents a pop. They'll keep you going all day.

1839
01:34:06,933 --> 01:34:07,173
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1840
01:34:07,333 --> 01:34:10,653
Speaker 2: Nice and so right next to Gozo is the even

1841
01:34:10,693 --> 01:34:12,573
Speaker 2: smaller island of Comino.

1842
01:34:13,493 --> 01:34:16,253
Speaker 11: Yes, and once again what are taxis and fairies. They'll

1843
01:34:16,333 --> 01:34:18,973
Speaker 11: zip you across the vivid blue waters from Gozo to

1844
01:34:19,413 --> 01:34:23,493
Speaker 11: pine sized Camino. It's about ten minutes. Once again, it's

1845
01:34:23,533 --> 01:34:27,293
Speaker 11: that boundless scenic splendor that is just so mind blowing.

1846
01:34:27,333 --> 01:34:31,533
Speaker 11: In fact, it is so beautiful in Camino, so eye popping.

1847
01:34:32,133 --> 01:34:35,053
Speaker 11: You will quietly wonder if you need to be drug tested.

1848
01:34:35,613 --> 01:34:39,893
Speaker 11: Did someone spike your pastisi? It is so trippy.

1849
01:34:40,453 --> 01:34:40,813
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1850
01:34:40,933 --> 01:34:44,053
Speaker 11: The big headliner, Jack is a place called the Blue Lagoon.

1851
01:34:44,533 --> 01:34:47,693
Speaker 11: The snorkling there is incredible. Whether you just want ever

1852
01:34:47,773 --> 01:34:51,893
Speaker 11: swim or just sunbathe, it is insanely picturesque. It's this

1853
01:34:51,973 --> 01:34:57,773
Speaker 11: ethereal setting of shallow cloise water backed by lava terraces

1854
01:34:57,813 --> 01:35:01,213
Speaker 11: that just cascade down to the water. And if you've

1855
01:35:01,253 --> 01:35:03,933
Speaker 11: seen the movie Troy or The Count of Monte Cristo,

1856
01:35:04,333 --> 01:35:06,853
Speaker 11: you will recognize it because it featured very heavily. It

1857
01:35:06,933 --> 01:35:11,693
Speaker 11: is just one of those pinch yourself locations that will

1858
01:35:11,813 --> 01:35:13,173
Speaker 11: sear itself into your memory.

1859
01:35:13,293 --> 01:35:15,133
Speaker 2: So because I looked it up as soon as I

1860
01:35:15,253 --> 01:35:18,813
Speaker 2: saw you'd been there, it's got what's called a cast landscape,

1861
01:35:19,053 --> 01:35:22,173
Speaker 2: so it's very flat. It's all kind of like limestony,

1862
01:35:22,813 --> 01:35:25,613
Speaker 2: like flat limestone across the entire little little island. I

1863
01:35:25,653 --> 01:35:27,893
Speaker 2: think it must be super small, right, you could comfortably

1864
01:35:27,893 --> 01:35:30,453
Speaker 2: walk from one side to the other, I think easy. Yeah, yeah,

1865
01:35:30,533 --> 01:35:32,253
Speaker 2: very much. Oh, it looks amazing. So what about the

1866
01:35:32,253 --> 01:35:33,173
Speaker 2: Crystal Caves.

1867
01:35:33,773 --> 01:35:35,973
Speaker 11: Yeah, just around the other side from the Blue Lagoon.

1868
01:35:36,053 --> 01:35:40,253
Speaker 11: The Crystal Caves Coloon once again is just going to

1869
01:35:40,613 --> 01:35:44,613
Speaker 11: be visual overload. So it's the sequence of four big

1870
01:35:44,653 --> 01:35:48,533
Speaker 11: sea caves, all once again washed with that vivid blue water.

1871
01:35:49,613 --> 01:35:51,813
Speaker 11: And the first cave is the best of all because

1872
01:35:52,453 --> 01:35:55,933
Speaker 11: thankfully a bit of erosion collapsed to the roof, which

1873
01:35:56,053 --> 01:35:59,893
Speaker 11: formed a very wide opening and a rock arch, so

1874
01:35:59,973 --> 01:36:02,053
Speaker 11: you can walk into the cave. You've got this rock

1875
01:36:02,173 --> 01:36:06,333
Speaker 11: arch peering out into the Mediterranean. It is just picture perfect.

1876
01:36:07,413 --> 01:36:09,573
Speaker 11: So yeah, if you are sizing up a swing through

1877
01:36:09,613 --> 01:36:12,693
Speaker 11: Malta jack, which I reckon you should be. In fact,

1878
01:36:12,813 --> 01:36:15,253
Speaker 11: I'm amazed, I said to Francesco a couple of weeks ago.

1879
01:36:15,373 --> 01:36:19,813
Speaker 11: I'm amazed Malta doesn't flesh brighter on our radar, you know,

1880
01:36:19,853 --> 01:36:22,653
Speaker 11: when it comes to European destinations. But if you are

1881
01:36:22,693 --> 01:36:27,133
Speaker 11: heading to Malta, definitely add Gozo and Camino to your

1882
01:36:27,173 --> 01:36:29,453
Speaker 11: checklist to complete the whole tour.

1883
01:36:29,653 --> 01:36:33,453
Speaker 2: So when you compare it with Sicily and you know,

1884
01:36:33,493 --> 01:36:37,573
Speaker 2: some of those other relatively nearby destinations, obviously Tannisi would

1885
01:36:37,613 --> 01:36:42,013
Speaker 2: be amazing as well. But what would the tourist crowds

1886
01:36:42,453 --> 01:36:44,573
Speaker 2: be like in Malta compared to say, Sicily.

1887
01:36:45,893 --> 01:36:49,493
Speaker 11: It is very very busy with Europeans in July August, right,

1888
01:36:50,093 --> 01:36:51,973
Speaker 11: But I mean I stayed in Slima, which is the

1889
01:36:51,973 --> 01:36:55,813
Speaker 11: main tourist strip on the main island and it never

1890
01:36:56,133 --> 01:36:59,293
Speaker 11: and this was when was Ida June, so that it

1891
01:36:59,333 --> 01:37:02,893
Speaker 11: was very warm. Weather was magnificent, but I didn't feel overcrowded.

1892
01:37:03,413 --> 01:37:07,773
Speaker 11: So as long as you avoid July August shoulders. Yeah right, yeah,

1893
01:37:07,933 --> 01:37:11,173
Speaker 11: very much. The weather all year round is very very good. Yeah,

1894
01:37:11,373 --> 01:37:14,573
Speaker 11: as you said, because it's location to Chinizie, it is

1895
01:37:14,653 --> 01:37:17,253
Speaker 11: so far south. Yeah, it is very warm.

1896
01:37:17,493 --> 01:37:19,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I can imagine it would be. I mean

1897
01:37:19,493 --> 01:37:22,013
Speaker 2: one thing too, I know that. I mean, we are

1898
01:37:22,013 --> 01:37:24,053
Speaker 2: both nerds, so we can unite over this stuff. But

1899
01:37:24,853 --> 01:37:26,413
Speaker 2: I went into a bit of a hole this week

1900
01:37:26,453 --> 01:37:30,853
Speaker 2: looking at the water management system on Malta because there

1901
01:37:30,853 --> 01:37:33,013
Speaker 2: are no rivers, right, there are no there are no

1902
01:37:33,133 --> 01:37:35,453
Speaker 2: rivers or streams or anything. They're no like big you know.

1903
01:37:35,493 --> 01:37:37,373
Speaker 2: So it's just like, what do they do with water?

1904
01:37:37,533 --> 01:37:40,053
Speaker 2: It must have just like flood into the ocean. Yeah, yeah,

1905
01:37:40,093 --> 01:37:42,373
Speaker 2: and it does. So it turns out there they're really

1906
01:37:42,453 --> 01:37:44,493
Speaker 2: kind of ahead of the game in terms of water management,

1907
01:37:44,493 --> 01:37:46,533
Speaker 2: but they have to do heaps of desalination and it

1908
01:37:46,613 --> 01:37:48,613
Speaker 2: causes all sorts of problems. The things you take for

1909
01:37:48,653 --> 01:37:51,053
Speaker 2: granted today, like it's nice, it's very nice to be

1910
01:37:51,053 --> 01:37:53,093
Speaker 2: in the middle of the Mediterranean and enjoy all of

1911
01:37:53,133 --> 01:37:56,093
Speaker 2: the benefits of that, but there are the occasional downside

1912
01:37:56,093 --> 01:37:56,453
Speaker 2: as well.

1913
01:37:56,973 --> 01:37:57,213
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:37:57,253 --> 01:37:59,493
Speaker 11: I think when the British rocked into town after they

1915
01:37:59,613 --> 01:38:01,973
Speaker 11: knocked out the French, they were like a little bit

1916
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Speaker 11: concerned as to okay, so what do we drink?

1917
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but three days in I believe yeah, yeah, oh

1918
01:38:09,293 --> 01:38:10,933
Speaker 2: very good. Now it looks like a fascinating part of

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01:38:10,933 --> 01:38:12,573
Speaker 2: the world and, like you say, one that is perhaps

1920
01:38:12,573 --> 01:38:15,853
Speaker 2: a little underappreciated. I would love to go there. Thank

1921
01:38:15,893 --> 01:38:18,333
Speaker 2: you so much. We'll put all of Mike's tips for

1922
01:38:18,613 --> 01:38:22,373
Speaker 2: exploring Gozo in Camino in Malta up on the News

1923
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Speaker 2: Talks EDB website. And it's just gone eleven.

1924
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Speaker 3: Thirty Getting your weekends started.

1925
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Speaker 1: It's Saturday Morning with Jack team on News Talks EDB.

1926
01:38:49,453 --> 01:38:53,853
Speaker 2: Well, it is a dreary day in Auckland, to say

1927
01:38:53,893 --> 01:38:56,573
Speaker 2: the least. I'm not sure the All Blacks will be

1928
01:38:56,613 --> 01:38:59,093
Speaker 2: too upset about that. As they count down to kick

1929
01:38:59,093 --> 01:39:02,173
Speaker 2: off at eden Park tonight just after seven o'clock. Of course,

1930
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Speaker 2: Jason Pine and the Weekend Sport team are prepared aring

1931
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Speaker 2: themselves for the show this afternoon live from eden Park,

1932
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Speaker 2: Kyoda Party Kilda.

1933
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Speaker 21: Jack, it is rather dreary, I can tell you looking

1934
01:39:15,373 --> 01:39:18,693
Speaker 21: down on an Eden Park Pictures, which is an excellent

1935
01:39:18,813 --> 01:39:23,253
Speaker 21: nick but yeah, overhead a little gray and dreary. Just

1936
01:39:23,333 --> 01:39:26,773
Speaker 21: checking the forecast, the heaviest rain is forecast for around

1937
01:39:26,813 --> 01:39:31,053
Speaker 21: five o'clock this afternoon, meant to clear ever so slightly

1938
01:39:31,453 --> 01:39:34,253
Speaker 21: between six and seven, so by the time kickoff arrives

1939
01:39:34,293 --> 01:39:37,093
Speaker 21: it might be okay, it will be slippery underfoot, but

1940
01:39:37,453 --> 01:39:38,973
Speaker 21: it's a winter sport for the most.

1941
01:39:38,773 --> 01:39:40,573
Speaker 13: Part, isn't it. So I think let's get out there

1942
01:39:40,573 --> 01:39:41,093
Speaker 13: and crag and do it.

1943
01:39:41,173 --> 01:39:45,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. How significant do you think last week's defeat

1944
01:39:46,053 --> 01:39:48,653
Speaker 2: is going to be for this allbacks, this new all

1945
01:39:48,693 --> 01:39:49,333
Speaker 2: backs unit.

1946
01:39:49,973 --> 01:39:52,933
Speaker 21: I think it'll be significant in that it'll provoke a

1947
01:39:53,013 --> 01:39:54,213
Speaker 21: response and.

1948
01:39:54,333 --> 01:39:58,213
Speaker 2: As the previous two Puma's losses have done in recent years, right.

1949
01:39:58,093 --> 01:40:01,293
Speaker 21: Correct, Yeah, Well, two years ago when Argentina won for

1950
01:40:01,333 --> 01:40:03,293
Speaker 21: the first time on New Zealand Sail in christ Church.

1951
01:40:03,413 --> 01:40:06,893
Speaker 21: Seven days later at a wet Hamilton, all Blacks put

1952
01:40:06,933 --> 01:40:09,213
Speaker 21: fifty on the poopse fifty three to three the following week,

1953
01:40:09,253 --> 01:40:12,533
Speaker 21: so I'd expect to bounce back, maybe not of fifty

1954
01:40:12,573 --> 01:40:15,413
Speaker 21: point proportions, but certainly a bounce back performance. The All

1955
01:40:15,453 --> 01:40:17,773
Speaker 21: Blacks hate losing matches, Jack, We all know this. They

1956
01:40:17,853 --> 01:40:21,973
Speaker 21: hate to lose, and the players and collectively as a

1957
01:40:22,013 --> 01:40:24,373
Speaker 21: team they will have done everything this week to make

1958
01:40:24,373 --> 01:40:26,493
Speaker 21: sure that there is no repeat here at eden Park tonight.

1959
01:40:26,693 --> 01:40:28,413
Speaker 21: On top of that, of course, we know the fortress

1960
01:40:28,453 --> 01:40:31,573
Speaker 21: this has become. If they win or draw tonight, that

1961
01:40:31,773 --> 01:40:35,693
Speaker 21: is fifty five zero unbeaten matches at eden Park, the

1962
01:40:35,813 --> 01:40:39,013
Speaker 21: last time eleven thousand and four days ago, Jack, to

1963
01:40:39,013 --> 01:40:42,613
Speaker 21: be precise, That's crazy, it really is. Isn't it an

1964
01:40:42,733 --> 01:40:46,813
Speaker 21: unprecedented record of success on one patch of grass? But yeah,

1965
01:40:47,013 --> 01:40:49,693
Speaker 21: not since nineteen ninety four have the All Blacks trudged

1966
01:40:49,733 --> 01:40:54,053
Speaker 21: off Eden Park with defeat ringing in their ears, which

1967
01:40:54,093 --> 01:40:55,213
Speaker 21: is quite the record.

1968
01:40:55,333 --> 01:40:57,293
Speaker 2: What do you make of this whole Damien McKenzie missing

1969
01:40:57,333 --> 01:40:58,693
Speaker 2: the bus thing? Is it a big deal?

1970
01:40:58,933 --> 01:41:01,573
Speaker 13: I find it interesting? Only I find it interesting in.

1971
01:41:01,533 --> 01:41:04,493
Speaker 21: The fact that previous All Blacks regimes have had a

1972
01:41:04,573 --> 01:41:07,453
Speaker 21: zero tolerance policy to the sort of thing. And look,

1973
01:41:07,493 --> 01:41:09,213
Speaker 21: we don't know the background. We don't know why Damen

1974
01:41:09,293 --> 01:41:11,693
Speaker 21: mackenzie was late. That hasn't been revealed and it shouldn't be.

1975
01:41:11,693 --> 01:41:14,613
Speaker 21: It's not our business, but he was late. Look, only

1976
01:41:14,733 --> 01:41:16,733
Speaker 21: last year and the biggest game of rugby of the

1977
01:41:16,773 --> 01:41:19,373
Speaker 21: year at that point, the Rugby World Cup quarter final

1978
01:41:19,413 --> 01:41:22,693
Speaker 21: against Ireland. Mark Telayer was dropped, you know, a first

1979
01:41:22,773 --> 01:41:25,653
Speaker 21: choice player, an important player, because he was late back

1980
01:41:25,693 --> 01:41:29,013
Speaker 21: for curfew. He wasn't drunk, he wasn't wasn't doing anything irresponsible.

1981
01:41:29,013 --> 01:41:30,773
Speaker 21: He was just late back. He just lost track of time.

1982
01:41:30,933 --> 01:41:32,813
Speaker 21: But there's a line in the sand, and they say

1983
01:41:32,813 --> 01:41:35,973
Speaker 21: you cross it. Unfortunately, that's the consequences. The protocols are

1984
01:41:36,013 --> 01:41:38,773
Speaker 21: there for a reason. So clearly the protocols aren't quite

1985
01:41:38,813 --> 01:41:41,333
Speaker 21: as stringent under under Razor.

1986
01:41:41,493 --> 01:41:41,573
Speaker 22: Or.

1987
01:41:41,613 --> 01:41:44,453
Speaker 21: He's decided that there are mitigating circumstances here.

1988
01:41:44,493 --> 01:41:46,133
Speaker 13: But that was the interesting part for me.

1989
01:41:46,373 --> 01:41:50,333
Speaker 21: Yes, that was that it is in contrast to what

1990
01:41:50,413 --> 01:41:53,533
Speaker 21: has happened previously to the lights of Mark Tlayer. Also

1991
01:41:53,613 --> 01:41:56,133
Speaker 21: Aaron Cruden, he missed a flight and had to you know,

1992
01:41:56,133 --> 01:41:57,573
Speaker 21: I had to miss a couple of games. Aaron Smith

1993
01:41:57,613 --> 01:41:59,853
Speaker 21: got dropped to the bench for breaking curfew. So you know,

1994
01:42:00,533 --> 01:42:03,493
Speaker 21: it obviously is a different line.

1995
01:42:03,333 --> 01:42:05,653
Speaker 2: In the sand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So I was

1996
01:42:05,653 --> 01:42:06,253
Speaker 2: on the show of ARV.

1997
01:42:06,693 --> 01:42:07,933
Speaker 13: We'll talk some talk some more.

1998
01:42:07,933 --> 01:42:11,013
Speaker 21: Blacks, Patrick Towey, Polotu Mike de Laya and Caleb Clark

1999
01:42:11,133 --> 01:42:13,333
Speaker 21: are all on the show after one o'clock. Want to

2000
01:42:13,333 --> 01:42:16,413
Speaker 21: talk this cricketing contracting stuff with Devin Conway.

2001
01:42:16,533 --> 01:42:18,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, later stalking out of the New Normal.

2002
01:42:18,573 --> 01:42:21,333
Speaker 21: Yeah, a new normal here we are. And Grace Sweeky's

2003
01:42:21,373 --> 01:42:22,893
Speaker 21: on the show after too. She's not going to play

2004
01:42:22,933 --> 01:42:25,093
Speaker 21: for the Mystics next year. She's off to Australia, which

2005
01:42:25,093 --> 01:42:27,493
Speaker 21: also means she can't play for New Zealand next year.

2006
01:42:27,533 --> 01:42:28,693
Speaker 21: So what facked it into her?

2007
01:42:28,733 --> 01:42:30,253
Speaker 13: Thinking? There's so quite a bit on the show the stuf?

2008
01:42:30,373 --> 01:42:32,453
Speaker 2: How reckon that Nick Ball? Well to the lid. Ruth's

2009
01:42:32,493 --> 01:42:34,733
Speaker 2: gonna come more, be more and more on the spotlight

2010
01:42:34,853 --> 01:42:38,173
Speaker 2: A like, yep, you're right, yeah, there's no one like her,

2011
01:42:38,253 --> 01:42:42,013
Speaker 2: right so yeah might be needed ye yeah yeah yeah, okay,

2012
01:42:42,133 --> 01:42:44,693
Speaker 2: very good. Looks like sounds like some pack show this afternoon,

2013
01:42:44,773 --> 01:42:46,333
Speaker 2: So very much looking forward to with hek you sir

2014
01:42:46,813 --> 01:42:50,053
Speaker 2: Jason Pine. He'll be kicking off weekend Sport right after

2015
01:42:50,093 --> 01:42:52,533
Speaker 2: the midday news live from Eden Parkers. We count down

2016
01:42:52,573 --> 01:42:55,333
Speaker 2: to the All Blacks Poomas test this evening. Of course

2017
01:42:55,373 --> 01:42:57,093
Speaker 2: news talks. He'd be will be carrying that game live

2018
01:42:57,133 --> 01:43:00,013
Speaker 2: Elliott Smith of the call just after seven o'clock. Right

2019
01:43:00,093 --> 01:43:01,733
Speaker 2: now it is twenty three to twelve.

2020
01:43:02,413 --> 01:43:03,933
Speaker 7: No bitter way to kick off your weekend.

2021
01:43:04,093 --> 01:43:08,053
Speaker 1: Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with and bepured dot co

2022
01:43:08,173 --> 01:43:11,853
Speaker 1: dot Nz for high quality supplements Used TALKSNB.

2023
01:43:12,533 --> 01:43:15,213
Speaker 2: Twenty to twelve on News Talks. He'd be Katherine Rains

2024
01:43:15,333 --> 01:43:18,933
Speaker 2: has he had to recommend her two reads for this weekend. Hey, Catherine,

2025
01:43:19,253 --> 01:43:21,773
Speaker 2: morning dack. Okay, let's start off with the Act of

2026
01:43:21,933 --> 01:43:23,733
Speaker 2: Disappearing by Nathan Gower.

2027
01:43:24,413 --> 01:43:27,573
Speaker 23: So, Julia White's a bartender and a struggling author, and

2028
01:43:27,693 --> 01:43:30,853
Speaker 23: her mother's just died. And while she's at work, this

2029
01:43:31,093 --> 01:43:34,293
Speaker 23: renowned photographer, a guy called Jonathan Asta, approaches her with

2030
01:43:34,453 --> 01:43:37,853
Speaker 23: this never been seen published photo from the six nineteen

2031
01:43:37,893 --> 01:43:39,693
Speaker 23: sixties of a woman jumping off a bridge with a

2032
01:43:39,773 --> 01:43:42,853
Speaker 23: baby in her arms. And he wants Julia to investigate

2033
01:43:42,893 --> 01:43:45,173
Speaker 23: what happened and write a book that tells about this

2034
01:43:45,333 --> 01:43:48,693
Speaker 23: mystery woman's story. And Julia's kind of think her own

2035
01:43:48,733 --> 01:43:52,293
Speaker 23: prospects are looking particularly bleak there. She had this very

2036
01:43:52,413 --> 01:43:55,293
Speaker 23: lucrative first book launch and there's no real clear jobs

2037
01:43:55,333 --> 01:43:58,293
Speaker 23: after that, and you know, she's broke while she's tending

2038
01:43:58,373 --> 01:44:01,613
Speaker 23: these bars, as she's trying to pay off her mother's

2039
01:44:01,653 --> 01:44:06,253
Speaker 23: looming medical bills, and now she's grappling with this life

2040
01:44:06,653 --> 01:44:08,613
Speaker 23: a life changing event in her own life, and she

2041
01:44:08,733 --> 01:44:12,573
Speaker 23: finds really no reason to hold back from dalving further

2042
01:44:12,653 --> 01:44:16,493
Speaker 23: into what's behind this photo. And how the story progresses

2043
01:44:16,573 --> 01:44:19,973
Speaker 23: is there's dual timelines that shift between her investigative efforts

2044
01:44:20,093 --> 01:44:22,013
Speaker 23: in the present day as she hones on on the

2045
01:44:22,053 --> 01:44:25,333
Speaker 23: truth behind the photograph, and the viewpoints from those in

2046
01:44:25,453 --> 01:44:28,773
Speaker 23: nineteen sixty three associated with the Woman from the Bridge.

2047
01:44:29,173 --> 01:44:31,373
Speaker 23: And it's this very emotional journey that takes you from

2048
01:44:31,413 --> 01:44:34,093
Speaker 23: the present day Brooklyn in the the nineteen sixties Kentucky

2049
01:44:34,213 --> 01:44:39,613
Speaker 23: and Multiple Steroids are storylines that are developing, lots of characters.

2050
01:44:39,253 --> 01:44:42,133
Speaker 15: And those layers really maild together really.

2051
01:44:41,933 --> 01:44:44,893
Speaker 23: Well, and you get secrets upon secrets and mystery and

2052
01:44:45,013 --> 01:44:47,853
Speaker 23: mental health struggles and you know, lots about family and

2053
01:44:47,893 --> 01:44:49,573
Speaker 23: what it means to be a mum and some quite

2054
01:44:49,653 --> 01:44:52,253
Speaker 23: serious themes in the book as well. But you find

2055
01:44:52,333 --> 01:44:56,653
Speaker 23: yourself disappearing into the story and completely engrossed and engage

2056
01:44:56,693 --> 01:44:57,973
Speaker 23: with where these characters are going.

2057
01:44:58,533 --> 01:45:00,373
Speaker 15: And you know, maybe a couple of years along.

2058
01:45:00,173 --> 01:45:03,093
Speaker 2: The way, Yeah, okay, cool, it's the Act of Disappearing

2059
01:45:03,253 --> 01:45:05,933
Speaker 2: by Nathan Gower. You've also read I Will Ruin You

2060
01:45:06,413 --> 01:45:07,173
Speaker 2: Linwood Barclay.

2061
01:45:07,733 --> 01:45:10,333
Speaker 23: So it's just another one day morning at school and

2062
01:45:10,493 --> 01:45:13,533
Speaker 23: this English teacher, a guy called Richard Boyle, is mid

2063
01:45:13,693 --> 01:45:17,213
Speaker 23: lesson when he spots someone running towards the school entrance

2064
01:45:17,293 --> 01:45:19,653
Speaker 23: wearing a suicide vest, and he tells the class to

2065
01:45:19,733 --> 01:45:22,893
Speaker 23: lockdown and called nine one one, and he rushes to

2066
01:45:23,013 --> 01:45:25,733
Speaker 23: the front door, and there's this student and next student

2067
01:45:25,773 --> 01:45:29,213
Speaker 23: a guy called Mark Ledrux, who's intent on causing maximum harm.

2068
01:45:29,933 --> 01:45:31,813
Speaker 15: And what occurs next puts Richard.

2069
01:45:31,693 --> 01:45:35,413
Speaker 23: Completely in this spotlight, and this dramatic day is really

2070
01:45:35,573 --> 01:45:37,933
Speaker 23: a catalyst for a sequence of events that he finds

2071
01:45:38,013 --> 01:45:41,133
Speaker 23: himself center of. So at first he's hailed as a hero,

2072
01:45:41,453 --> 01:45:45,173
Speaker 23: and you know, Wilwood have events. But then there's lawsuits

2073
01:45:45,213 --> 01:45:48,733
Speaker 23: from Mark's parents and blackmail from another student, and scrutiny

2074
01:45:48,773 --> 01:45:51,053
Speaker 23: over the choice of reading material he gives his students

2075
01:45:51,653 --> 01:45:57,053
Speaker 23: and has he himself delves deep into Mark's secrets and

2076
01:45:57,533 --> 01:46:00,653
Speaker 23: why he might have done what he's done. There's this

2077
01:46:01,293 --> 01:46:04,533
Speaker 23: drug gang and threatening the town's piece as well. In

2078
01:46:04,653 --> 01:46:07,653
Speaker 23: his own marriage is faltering, and his ends trust is wavering,

2079
01:46:07,733 --> 01:46:10,653
Speaker 23: and all of a sudden he realizes he's a prime suspect.

2080
01:46:10,773 --> 01:46:13,133
Speaker 23: So you get this very narrative, which is like in

2081
01:46:13,213 --> 01:46:16,613
Speaker 23: short chapters from multiple perspectives, including Richard's own, And it's

2082
01:46:16,933 --> 01:46:20,093
Speaker 23: suspenseful and pacede and you know, some heavy topics and

2083
01:46:20,213 --> 01:46:23,213
Speaker 23: drug use and gun violence and dysfunctional family issues.

2084
01:46:23,413 --> 01:46:25,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's an attention.

2085
01:46:25,173 --> 01:46:28,453
Speaker 23: Grabbing psychological thriller with lots of twists and turns in

2086
01:46:28,493 --> 01:46:30,573
Speaker 23: a very thought provoking plot.

2087
01:46:30,893 --> 01:46:31,133
Speaker 3: Nice.

2088
01:46:31,253 --> 01:46:32,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, keep.

2089
01:46:32,693 --> 01:46:34,413
Speaker 15: Your turning the pages because you just want to know

2090
01:46:34,493 --> 01:46:35,173
Speaker 15: what happens next.

2091
01:46:35,253 --> 01:46:37,533
Speaker 2: Oh that's always a good sign. Okay, cool. That's I

2092
01:46:37,613 --> 01:46:40,533
Speaker 2: Will Ruin You by Linward Barclay, Catherine's first book, The

2093
01:46:40,653 --> 01:46:43,413
Speaker 2: Act of Disappearing by Nathan Gower. Both of those are,

2094
01:46:43,453 --> 01:46:45,773
Speaker 2: of course, on the news talks, he'd be website, really

2095
01:46:45,933 --> 01:46:48,493
Speaker 2: really looking forward to what's coming up in a couple

2096
01:46:48,493 --> 01:46:50,293
Speaker 2: of minutes. On news Talks, he'd be Troy King. He

2097
01:46:50,413 --> 01:46:53,293
Speaker 2: has just released his eighth album in his ten ten

2098
01:46:53,733 --> 01:46:56,893
Speaker 2: ten sequence. It's after he's been on a bit of

2099
01:46:57,653 --> 01:47:02,613
Speaker 2: an adventure, to say the least, trekking through the US desert. Anyway.

2100
01:47:02,733 --> 01:47:06,533
Speaker 2: His album has been recorded with the Cactus Handshake, which

2101
01:47:06,533 --> 01:47:08,613
Speaker 2: is an amazing name of nothing more. It's called leather

2102
01:47:08,733 --> 01:47:11,293
Speaker 2: Man and the Mohave Green. So we're gonna have a

2103
01:47:11,293 --> 01:47:13,133
Speaker 2: little bit of a listen in a couple of minutes

2104
01:47:13,333 --> 01:47:14,413
Speaker 2: sixteen to twelve.

2105
01:47:15,773 --> 01:47:18,253
Speaker 1: Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to

2106
01:47:18,453 --> 01:47:21,453
Speaker 1: us Saturday Mornings with Jack Dame and vpure dot co

2107
01:47:21,613 --> 01:47:24,573
Speaker 1: dot Nz for high quality supplements, used talks.

2108
01:47:24,573 --> 01:47:24,853
Speaker 5: It'd be.

2109
01:47:28,653 --> 01:47:29,733
Speaker 7: A fine.

2110
01:47:39,933 --> 01:47:40,293
Speaker 1: Side this.

2111
01:47:54,133 --> 01:47:59,213
Speaker 2: This is Geronimo. It's by Toy Kingy's he's just released

2112
01:47:59,733 --> 01:48:04,053
Speaker 2: his latest album, leather Man and the Mohave Green, alongside

2113
01:48:04,453 --> 01:48:08,253
Speaker 2: The Cactus Handshake. Estelle Cliffords our music viewers, she's been

2114
01:48:08,333 --> 01:48:11,213
Speaker 2: listening to the album over the last twelve hours or

2115
01:48:11,293 --> 01:48:12,853
Speaker 2: son as with us now more inner.

2116
01:48:13,453 --> 01:48:17,573
Speaker 23: Well, then that's our lilting out towards the sunset on

2117
01:48:17,733 --> 01:48:18,333
Speaker 23: this album.

2118
01:48:18,453 --> 01:48:18,973
Speaker 15: Geronimo.

2119
01:48:20,013 --> 01:48:22,373
Speaker 23: This was a I went for a walk yesterday and

2120
01:48:22,493 --> 01:48:26,173
Speaker 23: I walked for two hours of The leather Man because

2121
01:48:26,453 --> 01:48:26,733
Speaker 23: it is.

2122
01:48:26,773 --> 01:48:30,533
Speaker 15: A romp through the desert and I totally needed it.

2123
01:48:31,933 --> 01:48:34,773
Speaker 23: Really interesting because Troy's been very open leading into this

2124
01:48:34,933 --> 01:48:37,933
Speaker 23: album that he's had a bit of I don't know

2125
01:48:38,093 --> 01:48:41,453
Speaker 23: if it's necessarily writer's block, but the creative.

2126
01:48:41,773 --> 01:48:44,493
Speaker 15: Like kind of like, oh, yeah, where am I?

2127
01:48:44,693 --> 01:48:47,053
Speaker 23: I mean this is eight the eighth album out of

2128
01:48:47,093 --> 01:48:50,813
Speaker 23: that ten series, So eight years in a row. You're

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Speaker 23: you know, creating some music, not always in your set genre,

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Speaker 23: but certainly this one. You know, rock music is what

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01:48:58,213 --> 01:49:00,373
Speaker 23: made him want to be a musician, right, and so

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Speaker 23: he needed to be reinspired. And what better thing to

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Speaker 23: do than take yourself to meet some other indigenous people

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Speaker 23: on some different lands and get a little bit rock

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Speaker 23: desert trippy about it. Yeah, I actually because I've been

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01:49:14,733 --> 01:49:16,893
Speaker 23: hanging out for this album so much so I watched

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Speaker 23: the four part doco The Desert Hekoy, Yeah, the Desert

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Speaker 23: Hikoy as I did my Beach hi Coy yesterday, and

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Speaker 23: it was really good. Like it's fifteen minutes episodes for

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Speaker 23: seventeen minutes, and straight off in the first two episodes

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01:49:30,253 --> 01:49:34,173
Speaker 23: you are hit with this whole creative block, anxiety, mental

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Speaker 23: house connection to Fenawa mushroom psychedelics, and so I highly

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Speaker 23: recommend giving that a watch. But you don't need to

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Speaker 23: watch it to enjoy the album. I think what it

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Speaker 23: did though for me was go, wow, he's you see

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01:49:48,373 --> 01:49:51,893
Speaker 23: his raw talent, you see that new inspiration, but you

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Speaker 23: also see how.

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Speaker 15: Clever he is at using his bandmates.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, and as you would expect in some desert rock,

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Speaker 23: there's got to be some songs with some yells screaming,

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Speaker 23: and you know that's not necessarily Troy's natural voice, right,

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Speaker 23: So he's really clever because he gets his bandmates involved

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01:50:08,253 --> 01:50:12,093
Speaker 23: in that stuff and it really brings out some I

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01:50:12,213 --> 01:50:14,373
Speaker 23: just think some of their strengths and some of their

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01:50:14,453 --> 01:50:18,573
Speaker 23: talents that get to mix with this really incredible songwriter. Yeah,

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Speaker 23: and he still brings that soulful, beautiful voice that.

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Speaker 15: We know of his.

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Speaker 23: It's so rich, isn't it, And then to put it

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Speaker 23: in amongst some sort of rock it sometimes it has

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Speaker 23: that real dusty sound of the desert, and just.

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Speaker 15: His clever storytelling too.

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Speaker 23: Like I'm not necessarily one who's big for spoken word

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01:50:38,933 --> 01:50:41,973
Speaker 23: and albums, right, but the bits where he goes there,

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01:50:42,453 --> 01:50:47,093
Speaker 23: because there's such that they're characters that he's developed. The

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Speaker 23: leather man and stuff is kind of funny and wild

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Speaker 23: and quirky, and I mean literally on the desert Hikoy.

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Speaker 23: They go for this he cooy at nighttime into these caves,

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Speaker 23: so you can you can really feel that sense of

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01:50:59,173 --> 01:51:03,213
Speaker 23: that he has been inspired by taking himself somewhere else

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Speaker 23: and opening himself up to experiences that he wouldn't have

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Speaker 23: had otherwise.

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Speaker 2: You know, So this is a really silly question. But

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Speaker 2: then so excuse me for it. The Cactus Handshake is

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Speaker 2: that his like the regular musos he plays with and

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Speaker 2: they're just calling themselves a handshake for this? So yeah, OK,

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Speaker 2: because I did. I went on a bit of a

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Speaker 2: deep dive and I found a band called Cactus Handshake

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Speaker 2: but they're from Dundee in Scotland, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: I was, I weird, Like he isn't is he? He's

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Speaker 2: like he hasn't taken some Scottish guys from the least

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01:51:35,613 --> 01:51:37,133
Speaker 2: desert like environment in the world.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, that's so funny. I mean, imagine what the layers

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01:51:41,133 --> 01:51:44,573
Speaker 23: of that album. Maybe maybe that's some inspiration for his

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01:51:45,013 --> 01:51:47,293
Speaker 23: his ninth album in the series. I don't know, No,

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Speaker 23: I think that's a real nod to you know, getting

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Speaker 23: spiked by some cactuses while you're hanging out in the

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Speaker 23: desert with people people. It was recorded as Rancho de

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01:51:55,693 --> 01:52:00,573
Speaker 23: la Luna, which is like this weird, crazy studio that

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01:52:00,693 --> 01:52:01,893
Speaker 23: has been branch of the Sun.

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01:52:02,093 --> 01:52:04,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally like and people.

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Speaker 23: Like Roll Queens of the starf Age have made their

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01:52:07,973 --> 01:52:11,733
Speaker 23: albums their PD Harvey in a heap of rock metal

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01:52:11,773 --> 01:52:13,813
Speaker 23: bands that I probably have no idea who they are,

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01:52:13,933 --> 01:52:16,333
Speaker 23: but you know, there's some real history in there, and

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01:52:16,413 --> 01:52:19,853
Speaker 23: it's just got grimier and more history and more cables everywhere.

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Speaker 23: And if you get to watch the doc oh and

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01:52:23,253 --> 01:52:25,093
Speaker 23: you hear the album, it's funny because one of the

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Speaker 23: songs he references the dog who's there hanging around with

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Speaker 23: them the whole time, and I love that, Like, isn't

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01:52:31,413 --> 01:52:33,933
Speaker 23: it amazing? A lot is to be said of finding

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Speaker 23: our new inspiration from sometimes just putting yourself somewhere different,

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Speaker 23: and I think that's yeah. I think it's really great.

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01:52:40,413 --> 01:52:42,333
Speaker 23: So you have some of that real cowboy out into

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01:52:42,373 --> 01:52:44,533
Speaker 23: the West kind of stuff. You have some of that

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01:52:44,733 --> 01:52:48,893
Speaker 23: real grungy raw rock. I mean, it's very guitar riff heavy,

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01:52:49,053 --> 01:52:52,773
Speaker 23: and there are some really dirty licks on the guitar

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01:52:52,893 --> 01:52:55,613
Speaker 23: and the bass. And I feel like for all of them,

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01:52:55,653 --> 01:52:58,253
Speaker 23: and especially his band, they're being able to really shine

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Speaker 23: and showcase their levels. But there's been a real journey

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01:53:02,093 --> 01:53:03,453
Speaker 23: for all of them to get to the point of

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01:53:03,533 --> 01:53:07,253
Speaker 23: releasing this album. Through the Night is a really fantastic

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01:53:07,333 --> 01:53:09,293
Speaker 23: song that I think you're going to play very soon.

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01:53:09,333 --> 01:53:11,933
Speaker 23: A lot of people have really felt quite connected.

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Speaker 16: To that song.

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01:53:12,493 --> 01:53:15,293
Speaker 23: Yeah, Troy is calling the live show one of the

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01:53:15,373 --> 01:53:18,613
Speaker 23: scariest live shows he's ever put together, So please come

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01:53:18,773 --> 01:53:21,493
Speaker 23: and be scared with him. He's doing it in lots

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01:53:21,533 --> 01:53:23,413
Speaker 23: of small venues because he's like, this is not a

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01:53:23,493 --> 01:53:26,573
Speaker 23: sit down, be polite, watch we play. This is we're

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01:53:26,613 --> 01:53:30,013
Speaker 23: gonna get sweaty and grim me together while you rock.

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01:53:30,293 --> 01:53:31,813
Speaker 2: Yeah great.

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01:53:32,253 --> 01:53:34,133
Speaker 23: Yeah that starts at when it died Double Why on

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01:53:34,173 --> 01:53:36,533
Speaker 23: the sixth of September, and then he's doing the whole country.

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Speaker 2: So ah, so good. I mean, I always love Toy

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01:53:38,653 --> 01:53:40,573
Speaker 2: king I think he's amazing friend of the show. Course,

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01:53:41,093 --> 01:53:43,013
Speaker 2: so what did you give leather Man and the Mohavey

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Speaker 2: Green go on? It's going to be all there we go,

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Speaker 2: there we go. Very good. Okay, we're gonna make sure

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Speaker 2: we have a bit of a listening to a couple

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01:53:51,053 --> 01:53:53,093
Speaker 2: of minutes through the night. Is the one you reckon

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01:53:53,133 --> 01:53:54,453
Speaker 2: we should have a listen to next, So we'll do that,

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. A Stelle Stelle Clifford is our

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Speaker 2: music reviewer. Troy Kingey and the Cactus Handshake have their

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Speaker 2: new album Lea the Man in the Mohave Green, out

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Speaker 2: now eight to twelve on news doorgs 'DB.

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Speaker 1: A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with

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Speaker 1: quality supplements Newstalks EDB.

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Speaker 2: Well, that is our morning together on Newstalk's EDB. Thank

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Speaker 2: you very much for all of your text and emails today.

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Speaker 2: Pine broadcasting live from Eden Park this afternoon. On weekends

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Speaker 2: sports he counts down to the Abs versus Los Pumas.

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01:54:34,533 --> 01:54:37,013
Speaker 2: Of course, Newstalk's EDB is gonna have live commentary just

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01:54:37,053 --> 01:54:39,853
Speaker 2: after seven o'clock Elliot Smith with the call our voice

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Speaker 2: at Rugby. Thanks to Kensey for doing all the tough

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01:54:42,933 --> 01:54:45,853
Speaker 2: stuff today. I'm back with you next Saturday morning. Until then, though,

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Speaker 2: we are gonna leave you with Troy Kingey and the

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Speaker 2: Cactus Handshake. Their new album is Leatherman in the Mohavey Green.

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Speaker 2: This song is through the Night, go the Abs.

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01:55:23,773 --> 01:55:27,613
Speaker 23: Rading passcuzin my get up play and you don't want

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01:55:27,693 --> 01:55:29,013
Speaker 23: somebody watching your.

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Speaker 2: Bags, be avery other one that is both.

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Speaker 3: Please all the like. For the cigarette tags, don't accept

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Speaker 3: them from me.

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Speaker 2: That's your the shame their Keep your.

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Speaker 3: Things cross, especially in your bags.

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Speaker 13: When you see a little changeing the Hey, guys, just

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Speaker 13: remember it's the red.

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Speaker 7: It's the blast.

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Speaker 3: To the.

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Speaker 11: Shade.

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Speaker 22: No step into the street.

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Speaker 7: It's amazing.

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Speaker 3: Same what comes to night, Getting old.

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Speaker 22: To go and read come benkeeper, gloss through your cat

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Speaker 22: and may get through the name, through the name, through.

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Speaker 7: The name, through the

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Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live

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