1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:12,787 Speaker 1: from Newstalk ZEDB well. 3 00:00:12,787 --> 00:00:14,787 Speaker 2: As mentioned and in case you missed it, a sorry 4 00:00:14,907 --> 00:00:18,987 Speaker 2: end to a dismal campaign for England and crickets Champions Trophy, 5 00:00:19,307 --> 00:00:23,147 Speaker 2: thumped by seven wickets by South Africa in Karachi. We're 6 00:00:23,147 --> 00:00:25,787 Speaker 2: already out of the tournament after losing their opening two matches. 7 00:00:25,827 --> 00:00:28,747 Speaker 2: England all out for one hundred and seventy nine in 8 00:00:28,827 --> 00:00:31,707 Speaker 2: the thirty ninth over. The Proteas needed just twenty nine 9 00:00:31,787 --> 00:00:35,747 Speaker 2: overs in one ball to complete their successful run chase. 10 00:00:36,107 --> 00:00:41,267 Speaker 2: It was also England's seventh consecutive One Day International defeat. 11 00:00:41,547 --> 00:00:43,827 Speaker 2: New Zealand meantime, doing a lot better. They play their 12 00:00:43,827 --> 00:00:47,747 Speaker 2: final group game against India overnight tonight, having already qualified 13 00:00:47,747 --> 00:00:51,307 Speaker 2: for the Semis with wins over Bangladesh and host Pakistan. 14 00:00:53,867 --> 00:00:55,707 Speaker 3: That's it, it's all over. 15 00:00:56,427 --> 00:01:00,907 Speaker 1: Henry does the job and New Zealand win this match 16 00:01:01,027 --> 00:01:05,747 Speaker 1: convincingly by sixty runs. It's been a polished performance. 17 00:01:06,427 --> 00:01:08,307 Speaker 2: My black Caps coach and one of the more astute 18 00:01:08,347 --> 00:01:11,267 Speaker 2: cricket analysts going around, Mike Hessen is with us having 19 00:01:11,307 --> 00:01:13,867 Speaker 2: watched I reckon pretty much every ball of the tournament. 20 00:01:13,987 --> 00:01:16,267 Speaker 2: Judging from your social media and the stuff I've seen 21 00:01:16,627 --> 00:01:18,187 Speaker 2: from your Mike, thanks for joining us. What have you 22 00:01:18,227 --> 00:01:21,467 Speaker 2: made of New Zealand's performances so far in their opening 23 00:01:21,507 --> 00:01:24,907 Speaker 2: wins over Pakistan and Bangladesh? 24 00:01:24,987 --> 00:01:28,987 Speaker 3: I thought, very yeah, very clinical, really done as much 25 00:01:29,027 --> 00:01:31,467 Speaker 3: as they needed to do. I thought against Pakistan, which 26 00:01:31,507 --> 00:01:34,147 Speaker 3: was always going to be a really tough game. Obviously 27 00:01:34,187 --> 00:01:38,867 Speaker 3: against the home nation, New Zealand were exceptional. And what 28 00:01:38,987 --> 00:01:40,387 Speaker 3: I like, I guess is that there are so many 29 00:01:40,387 --> 00:01:42,747 Speaker 3: different players that have stood up at different times. So 30 00:01:43,187 --> 00:01:46,547 Speaker 3: obviously Rutchan missed the first part, you know, turns up 31 00:01:46,587 --> 00:01:48,627 Speaker 3: and bangs out one of the best hundreds you'll see. 32 00:01:48,667 --> 00:01:51,387 Speaker 3: And then prior to that, Tom Lathan was obviously under 33 00:01:51,427 --> 00:01:55,267 Speaker 3: the pump heading into the tournament and then just showed 34 00:01:55,387 --> 00:01:58,307 Speaker 3: you know how good he is. And Will Young, you know, 35 00:01:58,387 --> 00:02:00,987 Speaker 3: under pressure losing two early wickets, you know, losing Kin 36 00:02:02,227 --> 00:02:04,427 Speaker 3: and Devin, and then Will Young who probably wasn't even 37 00:02:04,427 --> 00:02:05,987 Speaker 3: going to be playing that game, you know, steps up 38 00:02:06,027 --> 00:02:09,947 Speaker 3: as well. So and you know the spinners have showed 39 00:02:09,947 --> 00:02:12,067 Speaker 3: that they are as good as any other team around 40 00:02:12,067 --> 00:02:14,187 Speaker 3: as well. So you know, Michael Brace Will stood up 41 00:02:14,187 --> 00:02:17,347 Speaker 3: along with Mitchell Satner, when required. So yeah, just a 42 00:02:17,387 --> 00:02:19,467 Speaker 3: really nice performance and I think they're taking along well. 43 00:02:19,587 --> 00:02:20,947 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to drill down into a couple of 44 00:02:20,987 --> 00:02:22,787 Speaker 2: points you've made there. Let's start in the top four, 45 00:02:23,067 --> 00:02:24,827 Speaker 2: but of a log jam there, Hess, because if we 46 00:02:24,867 --> 00:02:28,067 Speaker 2: assume Williamson and Ravendra are two of the top four, 47 00:02:28,627 --> 00:02:32,467 Speaker 2: when Daryl Mitchell comes back, who misses out Young Conway Mitchell, 48 00:02:32,627 --> 00:02:33,907 Speaker 2: what's the makeup of the top four. 49 00:02:35,307 --> 00:02:38,907 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I mean Conway's likely to miss out, but 50 00:02:39,027 --> 00:02:41,107 Speaker 3: it's a shame because he's actually has started to point 51 00:02:41,187 --> 00:02:43,867 Speaker 3: in touch and you know the Try series, he looked 52 00:02:43,867 --> 00:02:46,747 Speaker 3: one of their best players and he I think he 53 00:02:46,747 --> 00:02:49,267 Speaker 3: would have played ahead of will Young in that opening match. 54 00:02:49,307 --> 00:02:51,387 Speaker 3: I think if for Ruchien would have played. But you 55 00:02:51,427 --> 00:02:54,587 Speaker 3: know that the quality of Will Young's hundred just I 56 00:02:54,747 --> 00:02:59,067 Speaker 3: just reaffirmed to the side that you can't leave mount. 57 00:02:59,227 --> 00:03:01,427 Speaker 3: You know, he's been exceptional the last eighteen months. So 58 00:03:02,187 --> 00:03:03,947 Speaker 3: it's a shame because Conway's actually played a lot of 59 00:03:03,947 --> 00:03:06,027 Speaker 3: cricket when he hasn't been in great touch and everyone's 60 00:03:06,027 --> 00:03:08,347 Speaker 3: sort of been calling for his head and now he's 61 00:03:08,347 --> 00:03:10,427 Speaker 3: actually playing beautifully and he's probably going to miss out. 62 00:03:10,467 --> 00:03:13,187 Speaker 3: So I think Mitchell just slots back in the four 63 00:03:13,387 --> 00:03:14,707 Speaker 3: where he was before he gets sick. 64 00:03:15,347 --> 00:03:18,427 Speaker 2: Ruchian Ravender you mentioned him before the hundred against Bangladesh 65 00:03:18,587 --> 00:03:20,947 Speaker 2: hundred and twelve, one hundred and five balls without really 66 00:03:20,947 --> 00:03:24,227 Speaker 2: even looking like he was trying. What do you think 67 00:03:24,387 --> 00:03:26,627 Speaker 2: ruch In Revendra's ceiling might be. 68 00:03:28,027 --> 00:03:32,107 Speaker 3: Look, it's early, isn't it. But the technique that he 69 00:03:32,147 --> 00:03:34,467 Speaker 3: has is so repeatable, and I mean he's built that 70 00:03:34,587 --> 00:03:37,187 Speaker 3: up over obviously a long period of time. You know, 71 00:03:37,227 --> 00:03:39,307 Speaker 3: he's the epitome of the ten thousand hours of us 72 00:03:39,347 --> 00:03:43,387 Speaker 3: trying to you know, perfect things, and his technique and 73 00:03:43,507 --> 00:03:46,867 Speaker 3: all conditions around the world will stand up. It's just 74 00:03:47,067 --> 00:03:49,747 Speaker 3: you know, whether he can keep I guess that drive 75 00:03:49,827 --> 00:03:52,827 Speaker 3: to be successful every day, and you know that he 76 00:03:52,907 --> 00:03:56,547 Speaker 3: seems to have. He seems to have found the tempo 77 00:03:56,587 --> 00:03:58,707 Speaker 3: that he needs to bat add an international cricket and 78 00:03:58,707 --> 00:04:00,667 Speaker 3: he's spent a few years in domestic cricket trying to 79 00:04:00,667 --> 00:04:03,147 Speaker 3: find it. You know, had the odd game, you know, 80 00:04:03,147 --> 00:04:04,947 Speaker 3: in New Zealand A and then so went back again, 81 00:04:05,547 --> 00:04:09,107 Speaker 3: never quite clear, and then once it clicked that you 82 00:04:09,107 --> 00:04:11,027 Speaker 3: know that that will cup just over a year ago 83 00:04:11,027 --> 00:04:14,747 Speaker 3: in India. He just hasn't looked back and across all formats, 84 00:04:14,787 --> 00:04:17,467 Speaker 3: so there's no reason obviously if he can continue doing 85 00:04:17,467 --> 00:04:19,947 Speaker 3: what he's doing that he can't be right up there 86 00:04:19,947 --> 00:04:21,587 Speaker 3: in the top echelon of our. 87 00:04:21,467 --> 00:04:24,587 Speaker 2: Batsman Michael Bracewell one for thirty eight and four for 88 00:04:24,707 --> 00:04:27,667 Speaker 2: twenty six and his two ten over spells. What is 89 00:04:27,707 --> 00:04:30,147 Speaker 2: he doing with the ball that is so effective? 90 00:04:31,547 --> 00:04:34,027 Speaker 3: But he's always bring the stumps into play, So even 91 00:04:34,027 --> 00:04:35,827 Speaker 3: though he's bowling to right handers, you know he's not 92 00:04:35,907 --> 00:04:38,387 Speaker 3: afraid of throwing the ball outside off spinning back to 93 00:04:38,427 --> 00:04:41,507 Speaker 3: the stumps. So you know often they say, and you 94 00:04:41,547 --> 00:04:43,507 Speaker 3: know white ball cricket, you know you're off spinner can't 95 00:04:43,507 --> 00:04:47,507 Speaker 3: bowl to the right hander. But he's got his ability 96 00:04:47,627 --> 00:04:49,827 Speaker 3: and he's got a lot of overspin on the ball, 97 00:04:50,227 --> 00:04:52,467 Speaker 3: so he's got huge fingers, so he gets huge amount 98 00:04:52,467 --> 00:04:54,427 Speaker 3: of revs on the ball, which whilch get it to dip. 99 00:04:54,507 --> 00:04:57,427 Speaker 3: So even if you are looking to take him downtown, 100 00:04:57,507 --> 00:04:59,307 Speaker 3: you know he gets that overspin, so you end up 101 00:04:59,347 --> 00:05:01,827 Speaker 3: hitting the top of the bat. You know, you don't hit, 102 00:05:02,107 --> 00:05:03,787 Speaker 3: you don't hit exactly where you want, so it either 103 00:05:03,867 --> 00:05:05,987 Speaker 3: hits the inside rf or the or the top corner. 104 00:05:06,107 --> 00:05:09,707 Speaker 3: So he's just you know, he's just a really subtle, 105 00:05:09,987 --> 00:05:13,307 Speaker 3: skillful bowler, and he's got a he's got quite a 106 00:05:13,307 --> 00:05:15,267 Speaker 3: bit of bravery, you know, in terms of being able 107 00:05:15,267 --> 00:05:16,867 Speaker 3: to throw the ball up and take take the pace 108 00:05:16,907 --> 00:05:18,387 Speaker 3: out of it, very similar to much Setna. 109 00:05:18,947 --> 00:05:21,427 Speaker 2: Over half of the overs bold across the entire tournament 110 00:05:21,507 --> 00:05:25,067 Speaker 2: have been bold by spinners. But what other most effective 111 00:05:25,547 --> 00:05:30,547 Speaker 2: seam bowler is doing really well that this tournament has well. 112 00:05:30,547 --> 00:05:32,387 Speaker 3: They work at too early because they're swinging the new 113 00:05:32,427 --> 00:05:34,107 Speaker 3: ball and I mean they have to pitch it up. 114 00:05:34,907 --> 00:05:39,067 Speaker 3: But pitching it up in Pakistan is probably two meters 115 00:05:39,147 --> 00:05:41,467 Speaker 3: shorter than it is in New Zealand because the low 116 00:05:41,547 --> 00:05:43,827 Speaker 3: skiddy bounce. So they're pitching it up. They're finding a 117 00:05:43,867 --> 00:05:45,827 Speaker 3: link that still brings in the top of the stumps 118 00:05:46,827 --> 00:05:49,267 Speaker 3: and therefore allowing the ball to swing, but also not 119 00:05:49,467 --> 00:05:51,307 Speaker 3: you know, not that long half folly where you can 120 00:05:51,707 --> 00:05:52,947 Speaker 3: you can lean into it easily. 121 00:05:53,027 --> 00:05:53,787 Speaker 1: So they're doing that. 122 00:05:53,907 --> 00:05:56,827 Speaker 3: And then at the back end, when you know everyone 123 00:05:56,867 --> 00:05:59,387 Speaker 3: else is going around the park, they're actually hitting the corners. 124 00:05:59,427 --> 00:06:01,747 Speaker 3: So they're not they're not going out to stumps. They're 125 00:06:01,787 --> 00:06:05,067 Speaker 3: either trying to hit the inside heel. They're trying to 126 00:06:05,067 --> 00:06:07,187 Speaker 3: bowl that slide, we will bounce. All that bounces sort of 127 00:06:07,227 --> 00:06:10,387 Speaker 3: just over your left eye, or they're hitting the wideline. 128 00:06:10,747 --> 00:06:12,707 Speaker 3: You know, they're not bowling down Main Street, which is 129 00:06:12,747 --> 00:06:14,947 Speaker 3: sort of down that you know, off stump to fifth stump, 130 00:06:14,947 --> 00:06:16,547 Speaker 3: which is pretty much where the batters are trying to 131 00:06:16,587 --> 00:06:17,547 Speaker 3: line it up at that time. 132 00:06:18,147 --> 00:06:21,027 Speaker 2: Are you starting to see Mitchell Santner's Captain c style 133 00:06:21,787 --> 00:06:23,787 Speaker 2: start to develop in fifty over cricket? 134 00:06:24,867 --> 00:06:27,587 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we are. I think he's he's certainly 135 00:06:27,627 --> 00:06:30,947 Speaker 3: not afraid of using spin and I suppose that's you know, 136 00:06:30,947 --> 00:06:33,827 Speaker 3: obviously byproduct of what he does, but he also you know, 137 00:06:33,867 --> 00:06:38,227 Speaker 3: he's seeing a quick match up and he's instinctively making 138 00:06:38,267 --> 00:06:40,347 Speaker 3: the change. You know, you see Phillips coming when they 139 00:06:40,347 --> 00:06:42,747 Speaker 3: are two left handers, you know, when they're playing Bangladesh, 140 00:06:43,347 --> 00:06:44,787 Speaker 3: you know straight away you bring him in. It might 141 00:06:44,827 --> 00:06:46,707 Speaker 3: only be for two overs, but that just gives him 142 00:06:46,707 --> 00:06:49,587 Speaker 3: a lot of flexibility. I think we're going to see 143 00:06:49,587 --> 00:06:52,547 Speaker 3: a little bit more of his style with the next 144 00:06:52,587 --> 00:06:57,187 Speaker 3: selection because at the moment our seamers are very front 145 00:06:57,307 --> 00:06:59,907 Speaker 3: end loaded. So you know all three of our seamers, 146 00:06:59,907 --> 00:07:05,787 Speaker 3: you know, Henry O'Rourke and Jamison are very much new 147 00:07:05,787 --> 00:07:08,067 Speaker 3: ball bowlers, and they're very good in the first fifteen 148 00:07:08,107 --> 00:07:10,507 Speaker 3: overs of a map. Neither of them you would say, 149 00:07:10,587 --> 00:07:13,267 Speaker 3: specialists at the back end. So it's just where the 150 00:07:13,307 --> 00:07:15,547 Speaker 3: New Zealand are going to be happy going that way 151 00:07:15,587 --> 00:07:17,987 Speaker 3: and trying to take wickets early and then squeeze with spin, 152 00:07:18,747 --> 00:07:20,827 Speaker 3: or whether they might look at someone like a Duffy 153 00:07:20,827 --> 00:07:23,067 Speaker 3: who can probably more control the middle in the end 154 00:07:23,227 --> 00:07:26,747 Speaker 3: a little bit better than Jamison for example, So that'll 155 00:07:26,747 --> 00:07:28,347 Speaker 3: be the style they want to go. You know they 156 00:07:28,347 --> 00:07:30,147 Speaker 3: want to go. Do we want to attack with Jamison 157 00:07:31,027 --> 00:07:32,467 Speaker 3: or we want to have a bit more control with 158 00:07:32,507 --> 00:07:33,267 Speaker 3: someone like Duffy. 159 00:07:33,787 --> 00:07:36,587 Speaker 2: You're tweeted last night if someone says the New Zealand 160 00:07:36,667 --> 00:07:39,587 Speaker 2: the India match at the Champions Trophy is a dead rubber, 161 00:07:39,827 --> 00:07:43,067 Speaker 2: they clearly don't understand the psyche of top athletes today. 162 00:07:43,587 --> 00:07:46,467 Speaker 2: How important is a good performance for New Zealand tonight? 163 00:07:47,427 --> 00:07:49,147 Speaker 3: Well, I mean New Zealand won five one days in 164 00:07:49,187 --> 00:07:52,427 Speaker 3: a row. Now that's you know that that gives you confidence. 165 00:07:52,467 --> 00:07:54,107 Speaker 3: You know that gives you a real belief heading into 166 00:07:54,147 --> 00:07:55,907 Speaker 3: the playoff side of things. So the last thing you 167 00:07:55,947 --> 00:07:57,907 Speaker 3: want to do is take the foot off the gas. 168 00:07:58,347 --> 00:08:00,267 Speaker 3: That we know one in that lineup that's saying, hey, 169 00:08:00,267 --> 00:08:03,027 Speaker 3: give me a rest. I can guarantee you that you know, though, 170 00:08:03,027 --> 00:08:05,747 Speaker 3: will be wanting to play against India in Dubai, that 171 00:08:05,787 --> 00:08:07,987 Speaker 3: will be wanting to challenge themselves against the best, and 172 00:08:08,027 --> 00:08:10,187 Speaker 3: they want to be wanting to stand out and quite 173 00:08:10,227 --> 00:08:13,387 Speaker 3: rightfully they want They'll be wanting to win and that'll 174 00:08:13,387 --> 00:08:16,867 Speaker 3: obviously dictate who they play in the Semis. But you 175 00:08:16,907 --> 00:08:19,027 Speaker 3: know the most important thing is that New Zealand win 176 00:08:19,067 --> 00:08:21,347 Speaker 3: and they gained confidence heading into the playoffs, all. 177 00:08:21,307 --> 00:08:23,507 Speaker 2: Right, And if they do win, they'll face Australia. If 178 00:08:23,507 --> 00:08:26,507 Speaker 2: they were to lose tonight, they'll take on South Africa. 179 00:08:26,547 --> 00:08:29,587 Speaker 2: Do you think, yes, that New Zealand match up better 180 00:08:29,667 --> 00:08:31,907 Speaker 2: against one or the other of those two nations. 181 00:08:32,827 --> 00:08:35,147 Speaker 3: I think New Zealand match up better against Australia at 182 00:08:35,187 --> 00:08:37,187 Speaker 3: the moment, just with the Australian squad that they have. 183 00:08:37,747 --> 00:08:40,707 Speaker 3: I mean that bowling line up is very inexperienced. Bar 184 00:08:40,867 --> 00:08:44,667 Speaker 3: Adam Zamper. You know, we saw Spencer Johnson the other 185 00:08:44,747 --> 00:08:48,387 Speaker 3: day in conditions that you know were very favorable. You know, 186 00:08:48,427 --> 00:08:50,707 Speaker 3: they should have had it had Afghanistan four for twenty 187 00:08:50,867 --> 00:08:54,267 Speaker 3: on that sort of surface if if Spencer Johnson was 188 00:08:54,267 --> 00:08:55,987 Speaker 3: able to land the ball in the same spot, you know, 189 00:08:56,067 --> 00:08:59,107 Speaker 3: more than twice. So if they had at Josh Hazelwood 190 00:08:59,747 --> 00:09:03,267 Speaker 3: or Mitch or a Cummins or even a Stark, you know, 191 00:09:03,347 --> 00:09:06,387 Speaker 3: that game would have been over before it started. So 192 00:09:06,427 --> 00:09:09,467 Speaker 3: I think, you know, the Aussy batting lineup is still dangerous, 193 00:09:09,467 --> 00:09:11,707 Speaker 3: but they don't have that middle order power that they 194 00:09:12,107 --> 00:09:14,787 Speaker 3: that they had previously either, you know, with your stillness 195 00:09:14,787 --> 00:09:18,787 Speaker 3: and Mitch marsh and co. So there's definitely some holes 196 00:09:18,787 --> 00:09:21,507 Speaker 3: in that Australian side. You know, Matt Schortz just got 197 00:09:21,507 --> 00:09:24,427 Speaker 3: out injured as well, so they are they are reeling 198 00:09:24,467 --> 00:09:27,507 Speaker 3: a bit. That's another reason why New Zealand have to 199 00:09:27,507 --> 00:09:29,507 Speaker 3: make sure they put the foot down against India today. 200 00:09:29,987 --> 00:09:32,107 Speaker 2: Pretty brutal hours for cricket fans on this side of 201 00:09:32,107 --> 00:09:34,787 Speaker 2: the world. Here ten o'clock starts New Zealand timing. You're 202 00:09:34,787 --> 00:09:35,907 Speaker 2: getting any sleep. 203 00:09:37,067 --> 00:09:38,907 Speaker 3: Not a lot. I mean I genually log in about 204 00:09:38,907 --> 00:09:41,507 Speaker 3: eight thirty for the pre shows over there and finish 205 00:09:41,547 --> 00:09:44,507 Speaker 3: about seven in the morning, so it's I didn't stay 206 00:09:44,507 --> 00:09:46,307 Speaker 3: the whole night last night. Thankfully, I've got a bit 207 00:09:46,347 --> 00:09:48,707 Speaker 3: of sleep, but yeah, tonight it'll be a big night for. 208 00:09:48,667 --> 00:09:50,667 Speaker 2: Sure, fantastic. Well, I appreciate you taking the time to 209 00:09:50,707 --> 00:09:53,587 Speaker 2: chet to us. There's always always appreciate your expertise. 210 00:09:54,347 --> 00:09:54,707 Speaker 3: Pleasure. 211 00:09:54,747 --> 00:09:56,747 Speaker 2: Thanks Bunny, No, thank you, Mike. Mike Kessen there former 212 00:09:56,747 --> 00:10:01,027 Speaker 2: Black Caps coach and yeah, highly sought after cricket analysts. 213 00:10:01,107 --> 00:10:05,707 Speaker 2: So yeah, ten o'clock tonight. That game is underway. New 214 00:10:05,787 --> 00:10:09,227 Speaker 2: Zealand up against India in Dubai. As I've said a 215 00:10:09,227 --> 00:10:12,107 Speaker 2: couple of times, doesn't matter. If New Zealand lose the game, 216 00:10:12,147 --> 00:10:14,667 Speaker 2: they will still go through to the semifinals. If they 217 00:10:14,667 --> 00:10:17,427 Speaker 2: were to lose, they will take on South Africa. If 218 00:10:17,507 --> 00:10:20,707 Speaker 2: they win the game, they will face Australia. That's the 219 00:10:20,707 --> 00:10:24,027 Speaker 2: way that the draw is at the moment, and that game, 220 00:10:24,107 --> 00:10:27,907 Speaker 2: regardless of whether they finish top or second, is on 221 00:10:28,027 --> 00:10:32,187 Speaker 2: Wednesday night, Wednesday night at ten o'clock. Doesn't matter which 222 00:10:32,867 --> 00:10:36,627 Speaker 2: of the results happens tonight the semifinal involving New Zealand 223 00:10:36,907 --> 00:10:41,627 Speaker 2: Wednesday Night against either South Africa or Australia from ten o'clock. 224 00:10:42,267 --> 00:10:45,467 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 225 00:10:45,547 --> 00:10:48,867 Speaker 1: to News Talk sed B weekends from midday, or follow 226 00:10:48,907 --> 00:10:50,507 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.