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Speaker 3: and your personers to a high live back at the

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Speaker 3: start of a new test week. But importantly, Ponder reflects

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Speaker 3: on the first All Blacks tests.

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Speaker 2: Of the year. Elliott Smith still in christ.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Rugby Directors.

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Speaker 4: Always great to be back, Elliott. First Test week in

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Speaker 4: the books, and it was a hell of a test match,

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Speaker 4: wasn't it?

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Speaker 2: Assuming what it was, entertainment was very, very high.

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Speaker 3: Give me your top line thoughts on what you made

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Speaker 3: of that All Blacks performance.

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Speaker 4: I think straight off the bats, we've got to pay

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Speaker 4: tribute to both teams.

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Speaker 5: I think it was a brilliant spectacle under the roof.

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Speaker 4: As you'd say in New Zealand's new National Stadium, it's

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Speaker 4: hell of hell of avenue.

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Speaker 5: Nine tries.

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Speaker 4: Your Black scored five France four very little kicking in

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Speaker 4: that game. That was a big takeaway. Both teams wanted

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Speaker 4: to play. France kept a wee bit more in the

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Speaker 4: second half and had some success with it, but I

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Speaker 4: think just a great advertisement for rugby. It really was

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Speaker 4: a captivating spectacle that went right down to the finish.

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Speaker 4: Probably my biggest takeaway Elliott, first and foremost is that

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Speaker 4: French team missing eight of their top players. If you

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Speaker 4: take the eight best players or eight finalists from Super

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Speaker 4: Rugby out of the All Blacks, I think they really struggle.

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Speaker 4: So it was a real illustration of the strength in

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Speaker 4: depth that French rugby has to push the or Blacks

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Speaker 4: to the brink missing that many players, and for the

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Speaker 4: All Blacks, I think, look, it was a good start,

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Speaker 4: not a great start, typical lack of cohesion first test

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Speaker 4: russ but the intent to play that the clear plan.

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Speaker 4: I think everyone was on the same page. It didn't

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Speaker 4: always stick and there's some big work ons defensively, but

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Speaker 4: from an attacking perspective perspective, really like what I saw.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did as well.

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Speaker 3: I think the first half from the Orblax was probably

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Speaker 3: better than the second half I thought. On the verge

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Speaker 3: nineteen thirteen up at halftime, it kind of felt like

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Speaker 3: they were maybe poised to break the game open. But

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Speaker 3: in the first spell I was really impressed with speed

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Speaker 3: to ruck. It slightly slowed down as you would expect

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Speaker 3: it around after halftime as bodies get more fatigued, but

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Speaker 3: that speed to ruck in the first spell was lightning quick.

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Speaker 3: And then the ball of the ruck was you know,

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Speaker 3: three point three seconds roughly, which is, you know, much

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Speaker 3: quicker than super rugby. So the All Blacks played at

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Speaker 3: a lightning speed so to France, and their numbers were

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Speaker 3: comparable in that regard. But I felt the All Blacks

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Speaker 3: were getting on top just before halftime, and a weird

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Speaker 3: throwback to last year, it just kind of didn't click

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Speaker 3: in the early stages of the second spell, and France

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Speaker 3: way they wanted to attack. There was they went sucked

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Speaker 3: from that perspective, I think you've got to give plaudits

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I think we have to temper this a

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Speaker 4: it's one match, and I think the French probably didn't

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Speaker 5: But it was encouraging, wasn't it. And I think.

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Speaker 4: Your point there about the fact everyone sort of knew

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Speaker 5: It seems like a really basic thing.

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Speaker 4: But the Robertson Rain, for me, there was so much

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Speaker 4: But there was some brilliant moments in this match from

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Speaker 4: So there was some real clunkiness, a lot of passes

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Speaker 4: All Blacks kind of at least scored another two to

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Speaker 4: three tries, so could of France. To be fair, they

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Speaker 5: Your Black sneak home by a couple of points.

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Speaker 4: But it does feel like there's been a bit of

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Speaker 4: That was one of their big work ons and look,

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Speaker 4: it does seem like Mike Blair and Dave Rennie have

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Speaker 4: made a big first impression in that regard.

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Speaker 5: But it's still massive improvements to come, aren't There?

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Speaker 2: There are?

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Speaker 3: But I think from a first performance you've got to

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Speaker 3: take some positives out of that. And I think back

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Speaker 3: the All Blacks scraped home and got the win. Yes,

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Speaker 3: but they didn't didn't play that well didn't look like

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Speaker 3: they've been major changes to the previous year. Twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: I think in that game in Wellington. But if you

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Speaker 3: their reign, I think Rennie's probably just interesting head a

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Speaker 3: little bit in terms of what we saw from and

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Speaker 3: that we can see perhaps a bigger picture emerging from

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Speaker 3: plan around what cam Roiguard can do. So I think

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Speaker 3: that what's the reason for the optimism that perhaps we've

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: I've seen a bit of commentary about you know, after

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Speaker 4: Scott Robertson's first outings as All Black Kids coach, that

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Speaker 4: there was quite a lot of criticism and maybe that's

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Speaker 4: not reflected in a similar result for Dave Rennie. But

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Speaker 4: I think it's the nature of the performance. And then

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Speaker 4: you throw in the nature of the selections, and conservatism

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Speaker 4: held Scott Robinson back in a big way, particularly from

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Speaker 4: a selection point of view. You look at that team

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Speaker 4: that Dave Rennie put out, Ruben Love at number ten.

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Speaker 4: He's introducing rockies at the back end of that game

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. It's as well and look at defense.

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Speaker 3: Is the one gleare thing that you'd take out of

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Speaker 3: we saw the French were dangerous. They get a bit

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Speaker 3: portfolio was finding ways to restrict access to the twenty

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Speaker 3: loose Ford trail. We talked a bit about it on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Some surprise selections that they made wire you on board

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Speaker 4: I think by and large the game together pretty well

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Speaker 4: for something that was unconventional, certainly from numbers on the

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Speaker 4: I think he largely took the right decisions, turned down

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Speaker 4: So he'd have to say a big tick in that regard.

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Speaker 4: And Luke Jacobson, I think he had a very good

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Speaker 4: Look, it's a starting point Outlett, so I'm a harsh

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Speaker 3: in that last game of the Six Nations and FIGI

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Speaker 3: Wales caught my eye as well.

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Speaker 2: Wales.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's been a really rough two or three years,

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Speaker 3: if not longer for them.

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Speaker 2: They looked a lot more organized.

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Speaker 3: I thought that I'd seen in recent time a lot

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Speaker 3: the way they closed out the game, there was some

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Speaker 3: smart moments from the MFG. Disciplined look a small step

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Speaker 3: forward for Wales, but I think there is some some

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Speaker 3: positive signs there as they continue to build under Steve Tandy.

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Speaker 3: So all in all, I thought it was a really

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Speaker 3: really good weekend. I think the jury is still out

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Speaker 3: on the nation's championship, but by and large us an

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Speaker 3: entertaining weekend of rugby.

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Speaker 2: Mates.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Look, I'm coming around to this format, Eliot. I like

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Speaker 4: the fact that there's different opposition each week. It'll be

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Speaker 4: costing organized as a bomb to fly all these teams

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Speaker 4: to different countries every week.

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Speaker 5: But I like the new flavor.

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Speaker 4: I like new opposition each week, so it'd be interesting

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Speaker 4: to see how long and how it pans out. But

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Speaker 4: I think we're also seeing largely a shift and a

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Speaker 4: style of rugby, quite high scoring games, quite up tempo

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Speaker 4: attack first, but the spring box also showing that it

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Speaker 4: can be done the old scoreway.

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Speaker 3: I can indeed question number three in the final four

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Speaker 3: what changes would you look at potentially for this weekends

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Speaker 3: and apes.

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Speaker 5: It's a bit of a catch twenty two is always Elliott.

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Speaker 4: I think you'd like to see that all black teams

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Speaker 4: stay together get much better cohesion, finish a lot of

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Speaker 4: the chances that they blew in christ Church. But in

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Speaker 4: terms of this July series, if you're going to make changes,

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Speaker 4: this is the test to do it on. Eden Park

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Speaker 4: was always going to be the biggest match of this

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Speaker 4: July window. So I think you will see some changes,

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Speaker 4: but maybe maybe not too many. Maybe in the front

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Speaker 4: row you could look to promote Tyrel Lomax and Xavier

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Speaker 4: new mayor maybe bring in Samasoni, Takyajor, some of these

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Speaker 4: guys who didn't get an opportunity at the weekends. I

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Speaker 4: would like to see more of fining a northwol particularly

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Speaker 4: at Test level. He was very nervous viewing at halftime.

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Speaker 4: He had maybe ten to fifteen minutes off the bench.

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Speaker 4: So maybe not a raft of changes.

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Speaker 5: But a few tweaks, give a few more Hurricanes a

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Speaker 5: start perhaps.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, perhaps, Yeah, that's not rule anything out. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: would probably look at keeping the bulk of that team together.

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Speaker 3: I think Rubin Love needs to start again at ten.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you look at changing the half back and keeping

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Speaker 3: Woiguard frushtrating him twenty minutes off the bench, all though

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Speaker 3: he's played a fear bit of rugby towards the back end.

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Speaker 3: I think there was a comment around how much the

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Speaker 3: Hurricanes have played recently, so maybe you look at giving

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Speaker 3: them potentially obviously some game time in front of their

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Speaker 3: home fans. You've got to balance that out. But look,

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Speaker 3: I think maybe Signa comes into the loose forward treer.

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Speaker 3: Potentially you could look at Fineanng Andofo on one wing,

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Speaker 3: and maybe Clark does start on the other and keep

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Speaker 3: his spot. Jordan might go to fullback, but I'd be

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Speaker 3: loath to tamper too much with that team. I think

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Speaker 3: that you know, Davin, you'll probably try and achieve a balance.

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Speaker 3: I guess the question as well, Liam is around Ardie

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Speaker 3: Savia and there's a lot of talk earlier in the

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Speaker 3: year and even not that long ago around him. Maybe,

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Speaker 3: you know, having a eighteen months continuously of rugby, do

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Speaker 3: they look at maybe him coming off the bench or

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Speaker 3: not playing at all this week? Would that be a

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Speaker 3: risk given he's only had one teast as full time captain.

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Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's a very live option. Eliott.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a good point about him playing continuously,

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Speaker 4: and he also looked pretty beat up postmatch in christ

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Speaker 4: Church actually had a bit of a scare in the

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Speaker 4: warm up, didn't He took a blow and on his

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Speaker 4: groan which made his one of his legs numb, but

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Speaker 4: came through that. But yeah, look pretty beat up as

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Speaker 4: you would expect, very very.

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Speaker 5: Tough physical test match.

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Speaker 4: But I think if you were going to spell him,

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Speaker 4: this is a decent opportunity to do it.

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Speaker 5: You're not going to have a lot of time between

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Speaker 5: the July.

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Speaker 4: Series and South Africa, and we all know how massive

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Speaker 4: that's going to be from a physical and mental perspective.

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Speaker 4: Maybe later in the year you look at spelling him

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Speaker 4: from one of the bleeder's loads. Not too sure, but

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Speaker 4: it wouldn't shock me to see him spelled. And then

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Speaker 4: you could look at maybe a Cody Taylor or Jordi

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Speaker 4: Barrett assuming the captaincy, And yeah, i'd really like to

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Speaker 4: see Signa get a crack in that loose forward trio

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Speaker 4: as well.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely a team out on Thursday round four o'clock. We'll

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Speaker 3: have another podcast for you that's at night. Final question

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Speaker 3: which I don't really have an answer for. I have

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Speaker 3: gone right to the top of New Zealand Rugby's communications department,

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Speaker 3: so I listen to me, emailed me yesterday and said,

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Speaker 3: why would the All Blacks not wearing those Nations championship

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Speaker 3: badges that we saw on the other team. So this

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Speaker 3: is a final four question without an answer. I don't

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Speaker 3: have a question answer to that question as at quarter

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Speaker 3: past ten on Monday morning, but I have put it

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Speaker 3: forwards Liam.

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Speaker 2: Have you got any theories behind that?

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Look, the All Blacks jersey's pretty sacred and they only

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Speaker 4: tend to give it up for millions of dollars. So

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Speaker 4: unless unless the Nation's Championships coming to the party with

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Speaker 4: a brown paper bag or some big cash one for

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Speaker 4: I don't think your Blacks are gonna slap something on

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Speaker 4: the jersey too easily, so that would be my assumption.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, it's probably a pretty good assumption. Tim.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your question. If I hear back by Thursday,

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Speaker 3: I will let you know. I'm intrigued to know the

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Speaker 3: answer myself. That will do us though. For our early

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Speaker 3: week edition of a Rugby to Direct, Thanks Naples naps

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Speaker 3: As always look forward to seeing you in the Capitol

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Speaker 3: and soaking that up from a bit later in the

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Speaker 3: week in.

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Speaker 5: A great city of Wellington.

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Speaker 4: Elliott hopefully that white beat Fredder standard has been reinstalled.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, it wasn't open on the morning of the

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Speaker 3: Super Rugby Finals, so yeah, question marks remain. We'll do

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Speaker 3: some investigative journalism and see whether it's going to be

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Speaker 3: there on Saturday. We'll catch it in thanks to Mark

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