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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at b It's not your weekend off

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Speaker 1: the right way. Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, News Talks.

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Speaker 3: JODE, Good morning, Welcome to News Talks eDV. Jack Tame

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Speaker 3: with you in the chair through the midday today. I

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Speaker 3: know what you're thinking, Jack. How's your week been good?

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Speaker 3: Thanks Jack? How's your family really good? Thanks Jack? How's

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Speaker 3: your pomegranate? My pomegranate is going strong. Pomegranate is going strong.

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Speaker 3: Still there hasn't been blown off, hasn't been eaten by

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Speaker 3: the birds. I'm getting a little bag, actually a little

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Speaker 3: knitting bag to put around it to try and protect

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Speaker 3: it from the birds. We are up to the Republic

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Speaker 3: of Korea and the Winter Olympics opening ceremony. So China

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Speaker 3: went through a couple of minutes ago. It's always the

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Speaker 3: Aussies up They're one of the first onners in the

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Speaker 3: Aussies Azerbaijan. They get up there early. We have to

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Speaker 3: wait a wee bit until the seventeen New Zealand athletes

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Speaker 3: will step out waving their little flags and their puffer

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Speaker 3: jackets for the opening ceremony. But I'll let you know

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Speaker 3: when they've been out. Mariah Carey performed before, which was interesting. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you a bit more about the opening ceremony very shortly.

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Speaker 3: Cannot wait for more competition in the Winter Olympics. We're

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Speaker 3: going to be considering New Zealand's chances at the Games.

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Speaker 3: This morning. Of course, the three competitors in the snowboard

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Speaker 3: Bigear the men's snowboard Bigear will have competed or will

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Speaker 3: be competing in the final of that competition tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 3: Big show for you this morning before ten o'clock a delicious,

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Speaker 3: really simple blueberry muffin recipe, an old favorite from our cook.

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Speaker 3: Who's going to share that with us? And then after

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Speaker 3: ten o'clock this morning they were only back in New

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Speaker 3: Zealand for a hot minute. Umi Zoomer have just released

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Speaker 3: their brand new album. We reviewed it on the show

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Speaker 3: last week. Kind of grungy, little bit different to the

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Speaker 3: dream pop they have released in the past, but they

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Speaker 3: are living a fascinating life. The band is spread right

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Speaker 3: around the world. In New York, they're in Paris, They're

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand as well, but they are back together

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Speaker 3: for a hot minute. Like I say so that with

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Speaker 3: us after ten this morning is our feature interview. Right

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Speaker 3: now it is nine minutes past nine.

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Speaker 4: Team.

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Speaker 3: You know, I am generally highly skeptical of conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 3: Call me old fashioned, but I am pretty sure Yep,

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Speaker 3: we did land on the moon. I think nine to

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Speaker 3: eleven was al qaeder, not an inside job. And this

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Speaker 3: is crazy, I know, but I think climate change is real.

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Speaker 3: But I've got to admit I have been captivated by

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Speaker 3: the information released in the Epstein files. And while I

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Speaker 3: don't think it reveals coordinated pedophile ring, the trove of

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Speaker 3: information released so far it has been far more enlightening

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Speaker 3: than I ever anticipated it would be. Truthfully, I thought

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Speaker 3: it would be a bit of a nothing burger, and

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Speaker 3: I was wrong. It's not that the files necessarily prove

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Speaker 3: greater illegality. Many people thought the dump would reveal a

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Speaker 3: client list of the global elite, a black book of politicians, billionaires, CEOs,

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Speaker 3: celebs and royalty who had committed the most appalling crimes

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Speaker 3: and who would be immediately rounded up and brought to justice.

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Speaker 3: And so far, at least, it does not have that.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't, but it has illuminated a web of connections

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Speaker 3: never have known existed, And honestly, it's quite extraordinary to

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Speaker 3: see the ways in which power and acquaintances and relationships

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Speaker 3: have been leveraged. There are several standout takeaways for me.

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Speaker 3: So first of all, just the sheer volume of information,

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Speaker 3: messages and emails. Was there anything that this guy didn't document?

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Speaker 3: And there are still millions of documents that haven't yet

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Speaker 3: been released. Secondly, the impact of the files are having

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Speaker 3: the blowback has arguably been curiously stronger in other parts

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Speaker 3: and Queen after her close relationship with Epstein was illuminated.

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Speaker 3: As we go to air, police in the UK are

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Speaker 3: searching the properties of Peter Mandelson, the man who until

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Speaker 3: initially talking down their relationship with Epstein trying to say oh, no,

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Speaker 3: has been proven to have been far far closer to

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Speaker 3: him well after his initial conviction. Arianne de Rothschild, who's

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Speaker 3: a much much chummier relationship, Epstein inviting her to stay

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Speaker 3: irredeemably tarnished their reputations through their enduring relationships with him.

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Speaker 3: Bill Gates continuing to communicate with Epstein for years, Noam

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Speaker 3: Chomsky tendering advice to Epstein on surviving a media storm

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Speaker 3: relating to his criminal charges, And of course, the greatest

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Speaker 3: fall from grace outside of Epstein himself, the former Prince

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Speaker 3: Andrew totally disgraced, stripped of his title, with no realistic

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Speaker 3: path back to public respect. The files may not have

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Speaker 3: proved a great conspiracy, but they have been incredibly illuminating.

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Speaker 3: And as I've digested all of the reporting and analysis

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Speaker 3: the communications of incredibly powerful people who never imagined their

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Speaker 3: messages would be publicized. I've been reminded of a salient quote.

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Speaker 3: The measure of a person's character is what they do

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Speaker 3: when no one is watching. Jack Team nine ninety two

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Speaker 3: we're going to get the thoughts of our film reviewer

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Speaker 3: on the new Milania film, which honestly I do want

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Speaker 3: It's very easy for all the critics around the world

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Speaker 3: to slag it off, but you know, you've got to

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Speaker 3: be open minded. We're famously open minded. On Saturday Mornings together,

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Speaker 3: Kevin Milm will kick the show off next. I'm Jack Tame.

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Speaker 3: It's Saturday morning, it's fourteen minutes past nine, and this

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Speaker 1: What no better way to kick off your weekend then

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Speaker 1: with Jack Saturday morning with Jack Team News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your messages. Jack managed to get through

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Speaker 3: all of that without mentioning Donald Trump. I mentioned the President,

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Speaker 3: So Ni, Jack, it's the files that haven't been released.

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Speaker 3: They are going to be the most telling. The fact

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Speaker 3: that they have resisted it so hard. That is the

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Speaker 3: scandalous bit for me, says Graham. Have a good weekend.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Graham ninety two ninety two. If you want

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Speaker 3: to send us a message this morning, Jack at Newstalk

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Speaker 3: ZEDB dot co dot nzebr up to Finland in the Yeah, Finland,

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Speaker 3: you won't be surprised, has a pretty big contingent at

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Speaker 3: the Winter Olympics. The Finish Yep, they're pretty keen on

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Speaker 3: the old Winter Olympics. So that's where we are at

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Speaker 3: the moment. That the setting for the for the opening

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Speaker 3: ceremony is quite it's quite simple and elegant but attractive enough.

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Speaker 3: So basically they've got this giant kind of stage that

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Speaker 3: has a kind of I'm not going to do a

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Speaker 3: I'll let you know when New Zealand comes through. Right now, though,

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Speaker 3: time to catch up with Kevin Mill.

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Speaker 5: Kevin Marian and a jack first. That can I just

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Speaker 5: mention something that's been bugging me all week about Sam

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Speaker 5: ruth Sendstational mile in Boston. Sure we're both athletics tragics,

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Speaker 5: Everyone's been saying you broke John Walker's forty four year

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Speaker 5: old New Zealand mile record. No he did not. Sam

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Speaker 5: ran his race on an indoor track and John Walker's

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Speaker 5: OSLO New Zealand record was run outdoors. You can't break

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Speaker 5: Sam's broken the New Zealand indoor record or short track

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Speaker 3: indoor and outdoor records aren't usually compared. So yeah, it

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Speaker 3: has been a little bit sloppy, but thank you for

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Speaker 3: clearing that up. It was just extraordinary. A I watched

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Speaker 3: three times, it's just so so good to see, and really,

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Speaker 3: you don't want to kind of jinx anything. Obviously, it

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Speaker 3: is astonishing to think if he's achieved this at sixteen,

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Speaker 3: what he might have achieved by twenty five or thirty. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but Kevin, speaking of athletic prowess, you have been banned

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Speaker 3: from buying a house this week.

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Speaker 5: This is ridiculous. Really, last week Linda showed me pictures

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Speaker 5: major disagreement. Not a fight, not even an argument, but

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Speaker 5: a disagreement that could not be solved. We weren't looking

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Speaker 5: for a house. She just thought that this particular place

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Speaker 5: was stunning. When I looked at the pictures, I agreed,

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Speaker 5: it looked spectacular inside and out and well priced. So

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Speaker 5: I said, let's go look through it. She replied, you're joking.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to move, and it's a three level house.

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Speaker 5: You're too old for that. You'll tack a fall and

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Speaker 5: no time, what with your arthritic knee. I talked Linda

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Speaker 5: no ordinary house Jackets, designed by architect Roger Walker, one

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Speaker 5: love with it. It was my dream home. But as

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Speaker 5: Brian Ferry once sang, in every dream home a heartache,

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Speaker 5: Linda was not in love with it. She agreed it

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Speaker 5: looked stunning, but totally inappropriate for a man of my

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Speaker 5: physical shortcomings. She couldn't believe I was even thinking of

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Speaker 5: buying it. A house built on so many levels, I'd

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Speaker 5: be sliding down the gorgeous, polished remw circular stairs in

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Speaker 5: no time. She'd be left nursing me. No way, and

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Speaker 5: that was it, really move on. I could hardly file

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Speaker 5: for divorce and run away with the house. I like

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Speaker 5: Linda too much, and she saved me from myself from

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Speaker 5: previous real estate matters. The fact was I'd fallen in

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Speaker 5: love with an unbelievably impressive structure that I was too

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Speaker 5: old for. I needed to act my age. Getting old

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Speaker 5: can be gloomy Jack. It now appears I'm too old

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Speaker 5: for certain types of houses. But one thing I'm grateful

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Speaker 5: for that my gorgeous Linda doesn't consider me too old

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Speaker 5: for her as well.

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Speaker 3: Well said, Well said. Now, Kevin sent me through the

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Speaker 3: images so I could have a little bit of a

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Speaker 3: look at the house. And I've got to say, Kevin,

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Speaker 3: I think Linda has been really wise and there's no

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Speaker 3: criticism of you. I think it would be as gorgeous

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Speaker 3: as the house is. I think it would also be

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Speaker 3: inappropriate for us right now with little ones. I just

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Speaker 3: it's not like oh, one or two, you know, two

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Speaker 3: But I am really interested to hear about your first

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Speaker 3: pick for us this morning, because I've been waiting to

430
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Speaker 3: see it myself. Tell us about it was just an accident.

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Speaker 10: Yes, So this is another OSCAR nominated film. It opened

432
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Speaker 10: the New Zealand International Film Festival last year, but now

433
00:24:36,613 --> 00:24:39,853
Speaker 10: it is back on general release and everybody can go

434
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Speaker 10: and enjoy it, and I really do recommend that you

435
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Speaker 10: do it. Is a film by Iranian filmmaker Jaffarpnahi and

436
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Speaker 10: he is very well known for creating heart felt human

437
00:24:51,213 --> 00:24:54,573
Speaker 10: stories about life in Iran. He does it all very

438
00:24:54,613 --> 00:24:58,773
Speaker 10: secretively because he's been banned from making films. He's even

439
00:24:58,813 --> 00:25:03,053
Speaker 10: been to prison for making films. He calls them social

440
00:25:03,133 --> 00:25:05,693
Speaker 10: films in the Iranian government likes to call them propaganda

441
00:25:05,733 --> 00:25:11,093
Speaker 10: against the STAF. So he made this film once again

442
00:25:11,213 --> 00:25:15,413
Speaker 10: sort of very secretively, and you can tell when you're

443
00:25:15,453 --> 00:25:18,253
Speaker 10: watching it. There are a lot of scenes set inside

444
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Speaker 10: of cards, or inside of bands, or in remote places

445
00:25:21,133 --> 00:25:23,053
Speaker 10: or at night, and you can tell that they've moved,

446
00:25:23,493 --> 00:25:25,973
Speaker 10: had to move very swiftly and very lightly in order

447
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Speaker 10: to make this film. But it creates a sense of

448
00:25:28,333 --> 00:25:32,373
Speaker 10: intimacy that you get involved in it. The other magnificent

449
00:25:32,453 --> 00:25:35,533
Speaker 10: thing about this film is it deals with a very

450
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Speaker 10: serious issue, but it's a comedy jack it balances it

451
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Speaker 10: out beautifully. It is only an hour and a half long,

452
00:25:42,653 --> 00:25:45,053
Speaker 10: which also in the moment everything is you know, Marty

453
00:25:45,133 --> 00:25:48,093
Speaker 10: Supreme and The Secret Agent, all these other fantastic films

454
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Speaker 10: that he won't you be going and doing your two

455
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Speaker 10: and a half hours. This is this perfect little this

456
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Speaker 10: perfectly formed slighted entertainment that also has this very deep

457
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Speaker 10: kind of moral question at its heart, which is can

458
00:26:02,293 --> 00:26:06,173
Speaker 10: the victim of a state sanctioned cruelty and torture find

459
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Speaker 10: justice through vengeance without losing their humanity? So basically we

460
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Speaker 10: had this character. He works, he is a mechanic and

461
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Speaker 10: he's working in his workshop and he hears this squeak

462
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Speaker 10: of a customer and it's his squeaky false leg and

463
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Speaker 10: he recognizes this squeak. Then he hears him speak and

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Speaker 10: he recognizes the voice as the tormentor, a man who

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Speaker 10: tormented him when he was imprisoned, and he instinctively follows

466
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Speaker 10: this guy and he kidnaps him, and then he has

467
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Speaker 10: to decide what to do with him. Does he is

468
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Speaker 10: it I for an eye justice? Does he kill him

469
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Speaker 10: or does he offer mercy? And then he has this

470
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Speaker 10: moment of actually, have I got the right guy? So

471
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Speaker 10: then he goes off and searches for other people who

472
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Speaker 10: can also clarify with its right person. So we end

473
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Speaker 10: up with this eclectic group of people who've been through

474
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Speaker 10: horrific experiences who come together to try and work out

475
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Speaker 10: what to do. And there is a lot of comedy

476
00:27:04,773 --> 00:27:07,013
Speaker 10: like At first, I was like, this is funny. I'm

477
00:27:07,053 --> 00:27:09,933
Speaker 10: laughing out loud, laughing out like, yes, you absolutely should.

478
00:27:10,453 --> 00:27:14,133
Speaker 10: It is just this beautiful slice of entertainment, and it's

479
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Speaker 10: I'm so pleased. I was very disappointed it didn't get

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Speaker 10: the Best Picture nod at the Oscars. I think we

481
00:27:19,293 --> 00:27:21,253
Speaker 10: should have flipped out if one and put this in there.

482
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Speaker 10: That would have made them. Then the universe will have

483
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Speaker 10: been all right in its place.

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Speaker 11: But it really is.

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Speaker 10: Very thought provoking and highly entertaining, and very timely film

486
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Speaker 10: as well, So I highly recommend it.

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Speaker 3: Oh fantastic, Yeah, extremely timely. I'm in the US and

488
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Speaker 3: Iran have been having the negotiations overnight. But like you say,

489
00:27:40,493 --> 00:27:44,973
Speaker 3: like this filmmakers widely celebrated, but imagine film something like

490
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Speaker 3: this in secret in the country like Iran at the moment.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's a remarkable achievement. So I'm really looking

492
00:27:50,653 --> 00:27:53,213
Speaker 3: forward to seeing that. That's it was just an accident

493
00:27:53,293 --> 00:27:56,173
Speaker 3: that showing in cinemas at the moment. Next up, also

494
00:27:56,253 --> 00:28:01,493
Speaker 3: showing in cinemas. This is Millennia.

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Speaker 4: Everyone wants to know.

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Speaker 6: So here it is.

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Speaker 4: Hi, mister president, congratulations watch it.

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Speaker 6: I did not.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I will see it on the news.

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Speaker 3: That is, of course, the voice of Milania Trump, the

501
00:28:25,413 --> 00:28:34,853
Speaker 3: keenly anticipated, extremely expensive, executively produced by Milania Trump, Millennia film.

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Speaker 10: And look for all the money that's been put into

503
00:28:37,213 --> 00:28:40,093
Speaker 10: all the money that's been put into publicity, this film

504
00:28:40,093 --> 00:28:43,213
Speaker 10: really just sort of slink into a few screens in

505
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Speaker 10: New Zealand. There wasn't even an email about it. And

506
00:28:46,333 --> 00:28:48,693
Speaker 10: I decided to pop along on Monday, basically because it

507
00:28:48,853 --> 00:28:51,533
Speaker 10: was so humid and hot in Auckland. A cinema is

508
00:28:51,533 --> 00:28:53,213
Speaker 10: the best place to be, so I thought, right, I'll

509
00:28:53,213 --> 00:28:55,733
Speaker 10: go and check it out. Look, there's been a lot

510
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Speaker 10: made about Millennia. How we don't see her very often?

511
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Speaker 13: Is she okay?

512
00:29:00,773 --> 00:29:02,013
Speaker 10: Is you know it's her marriage?

513
00:29:02,053 --> 00:29:02,853
Speaker 7: Okay? You know?

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Speaker 10: It is all these sort of little conspiracy sort of

515
00:29:05,973 --> 00:29:11,173
Speaker 10: around her. And I walked out of this film knowing

516
00:29:11,413 --> 00:29:16,093
Speaker 10: very little war about her, but actually understanding that she

517
00:29:16,213 --> 00:29:20,173
Speaker 10: is perfectly fine. She is making the most of her life.

518
00:29:20,213 --> 00:29:23,813
Speaker 10: She is doing things her own way. She is, you know,

519
00:29:24,373 --> 00:29:29,693
Speaker 10: juggling her family and her public obligations and her husband's

520
00:29:29,693 --> 00:29:32,893
Speaker 10: schedule in a way that suits her. She has her

521
00:29:32,973 --> 00:29:35,413
Speaker 10: time out, she likes to go my logo and breathe,

522
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Speaker 10: and you know, you see her planning. This is twenty days.

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Speaker 10: It basically covers twenty days, or it's actually about thirteen,

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Speaker 10: I think, leading up to that inauguration.

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Speaker 7: You see her.

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Speaker 10: Planning the functions, the dinners, the lunch is. Actually you

527
00:29:51,213 --> 00:29:55,053
Speaker 10: see her planning her outfits. She is incredibly decisive. She

528
00:29:55,853 --> 00:29:59,293
Speaker 10: knows what her vision is and she she contributes an

529
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Speaker 10: awful lot and she controls that all and she's very

530
00:30:02,133 --> 00:30:05,493
Speaker 10: very good at it. But essentially this is a film

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Speaker 10: where we watch her walking around slowly and steadily in stilettos,

532
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Speaker 10: and we watch her taking car rides and getting in

533
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Speaker 10: and out of cars and kind of doing these few

534
00:30:16,293 --> 00:30:19,293
Speaker 10: sort of functioning things you need to do, and that

535
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Speaker 10: really is about it. Are some fascinating things. I liked

536
00:30:23,453 --> 00:30:25,493
Speaker 10: being able to see inside the Trump apartments, and I

537
00:30:25,493 --> 00:30:28,053
Speaker 10: would love to have seen more inside Marilago, Like if

538
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Speaker 10: you just want to have a peek how the other

539
00:30:30,133 --> 00:30:33,533
Speaker 10: half lives, it's quite interesting, you know, And so I

540
00:30:33,573 --> 00:30:36,813
Speaker 10: found that sort of quite interesting. And there are there

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Speaker 10: are moments where you see great compassion from her, and

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00:30:39,333 --> 00:30:42,453
Speaker 10: she is a very articulate, compassionate person. When she meets

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Speaker 10: the wife of a hospite taken by Hamas who is

544
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Speaker 10: still being held and there are moments where you see

545
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Speaker 10: this that she is genuine. She's very genuine who talks

546
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Speaker 10: about the loss and grieving for the loss of her mother.

547
00:30:55,893 --> 00:30:58,093
Speaker 10: So there is little moments that people might relate, but

548
00:30:58,213 --> 00:31:01,653
Speaker 10: really you're just seeing how the other half lives, that's all.

549
00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:07,453
Speaker 10: It's just it's propaganda. It's a beautiful advertorial. You learn nothing.

550
00:31:07,893 --> 00:31:10,773
Speaker 10: It's you know, they had to fill all the gaps

551
00:31:11,373 --> 00:31:13,973
Speaker 10: with this sleeping music to try and kind of fill

552
00:31:14,013 --> 00:31:16,093
Speaker 10: it and gether. I mean, it's very as far as

553
00:31:16,093 --> 00:31:19,933
Speaker 10: the film goes, it's very very average. But weirdly, Jack, Weirdly,

554
00:31:20,093 --> 00:31:22,173
Speaker 10: I walked out liking her a little bit more. I

555
00:31:22,893 --> 00:31:25,373
Speaker 10: was like, you are fine. You were doing things how

556
00:31:25,453 --> 00:31:26,413
Speaker 10: you want to do things and.

557
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Speaker 14: Your own Wait, we don't need to worry about you anymore.

558
00:31:29,653 --> 00:31:32,693
Speaker 10: You just go about you do you You're just you're

559
00:31:32,733 --> 00:31:33,853
Speaker 10: doing it the way you want to do.

560
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Speaker 14: It, and off you go.

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Speaker 3: But do they have anything about Slovenia?

562
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Speaker 7: No, not really.

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Speaker 10: She talks a lot about being an immigrant and her

564
00:31:42,893 --> 00:31:46,093
Speaker 10: parents what they contributed. She talks a lot about what

565
00:31:46,453 --> 00:31:48,813
Speaker 10: she wants to live a life of purpose and style.

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Speaker 10: She talks a lot about accepting people no matter where

567
00:31:52,413 --> 00:31:54,413
Speaker 10: they're from, always going to face and there is there's

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Speaker 10: there's this little irony there that the film does not

569
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Speaker 10: sort of recognize the fact that everything she sees is

570
00:31:59,933 --> 00:32:03,013
Speaker 10: the complete opposite to what we actually see coming out

571
00:32:03,053 --> 00:32:06,773
Speaker 10: of the Trump administration. There's this sort of business lack

572
00:32:06,813 --> 00:32:11,093
Speaker 10: of awareness of how different the views are. But look,

573
00:32:11,133 --> 00:32:13,933
Speaker 10: I think I took it all very I knew it

574
00:32:13,973 --> 00:32:15,733
Speaker 10: was going to be a light once over and that's

575
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Speaker 10: what it was, as I said, a very average film.

576
00:32:18,653 --> 00:32:21,693
Speaker 10: That it's not a huge amounts of reveal here or anything.

577
00:32:22,213 --> 00:32:25,573
Speaker 10: Having to relive through the entire inauguration, the twenty two days,

578
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Speaker 10: and that was time I will never get back in

579
00:32:28,733 --> 00:32:31,533
Speaker 10: my life again. I didn't need to do that, but.

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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, at least you escape the humidity, you know,

581
00:32:36,093 --> 00:32:36,893
Speaker 3: that's the thing.

582
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Speaker 10: I got out of that ninety three late perceup humidity

583
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Speaker 10: for almost two.

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Speaker 13: Hours and very good.

585
00:32:43,573 --> 00:32:44,973
Speaker 10: Yeah, but yeah, it.

586
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Speaker 3: Is what it is, very good. That is what it is.

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00:32:47,293 --> 00:32:50,453
Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Francisca. That's Millennia that's showing in cinemas now.

588
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Speaker 3: New Zealand is currently walking out in the opening ceremony

589
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Speaker 3: of the twenty twenty six Winter Olympics. The flag bearers

590
00:32:57,573 --> 00:33:02,373
Speaker 3: have khakahuon. Everyone's in their puffa jackets. Are a few

591
00:33:02,413 --> 00:33:05,493
Speaker 3: pool Kuna in there as well. They're waving away fantastic.

592
00:33:05,573 --> 00:33:08,173
Speaker 3: They a moment, I was worried that we'd missed out

593
00:33:08,293 --> 00:33:10,573
Speaker 3: because I saw Nigeria and then I saw Norway and

594
00:33:10,653 --> 00:33:14,133
Speaker 3: I was like, hang on, I'm pretty sure in E

595
00:33:14,333 --> 00:33:17,933
Speaker 3: comes before in I comes before n O. But no,

596
00:33:18,013 --> 00:33:19,773
Speaker 3: it turns out it was just the Italiant spelling, So

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00:33:19,813 --> 00:33:22,933
Speaker 3: there you go. New Zealand has officially come out at

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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty six Winter Olympic Games opening ceremony thirteen

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Speaker 3: to ten blueberry muffin recipe for your next.

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Speaker 1: Saturday morning with Jack team keeping the conversation going through

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Speaker 1: the weekend US talks, it'd.

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Speaker 3: Be eleven to ten. Nicky works out cookers here. Good morning, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: good morning, Jack. You have chosen for us a bit

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Speaker 3: of an old favorite this morning. An underrated old favorite.

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Speaker 3: Oiler is certainly not underrated by my very nearly one

606
00:33:49,693 --> 00:33:52,293
Speaker 3: year old son, who's more blueberry than boy these days.

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Speaker 12: I love it all. That must be expensive. That's an

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Speaker 12: expensive hand.

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00:33:56,533 --> 00:33:58,733
Speaker 3: There's an expensive habit. But the problem is when you

610
00:33:58,813 --> 00:34:01,533
Speaker 3: see them eating it, you're like, how can I you know,

611
00:34:01,613 --> 00:34:04,173
Speaker 3: and there's no complaints. You think, well, am I really

612
00:34:04,213 --> 00:34:05,693
Speaker 3: going to deny them another punnett?

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00:34:05,733 --> 00:34:05,933
Speaker 7: You know?

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00:34:06,693 --> 00:34:07,013
Speaker 15: I know?

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Speaker 12: And they take them by the fistful, and you're like,

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Speaker 12: I know, hey, well look I like to spin them

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Speaker 12: out in a blueberry muffins. And I've got a one

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00:34:14,933 --> 00:34:18,053
Speaker 12: bowl wonder here for us. And the other reason that

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Speaker 12: it struck me is now, at the end of the season,

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Speaker 12: some of the blueberries can get a bit mushy, and

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Speaker 12: so you strike one that's mushy, and it's not so

622
00:34:25,493 --> 00:34:28,813
Speaker 12: great to eat fresh, so great for a muffin. Yeah,

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Speaker 12: So it just makes twelve regular muffins, not the big

624
00:34:31,293 --> 00:34:34,373
Speaker 12: text and muffins, but just the regular old muffins. Preheat

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Speaker 12: your Ovente one hundred and eighty and then line those

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Speaker 12: muffintons either with some of those little sort of cupcake

627
00:34:39,453 --> 00:34:42,653
Speaker 12: holders or a square piece of baking paper, or just

628
00:34:42,693 --> 00:34:46,373
Speaker 12: grease them really well with oil works as well. Beat

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Speaker 12: I've got two sorts of sugars here. I've got two

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Speaker 12: two foods of a cup of white sugar, a quart

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Speaker 12: of a cup of lightly pecked brown sugar. Just the

632
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Speaker 12: combination just I don't know a bit more caremely I love it.

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Speaker 12: So beat the sugars with the eggs in a large

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Speaker 12: bowl and then whisk in some yogan. I use three

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Speaker 12: quarters of a cup of plain yogurt and some melt butters.

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Speaker 12: You have to cream the butter and sugar in this recipe,

637
00:35:08,813 --> 00:35:10,453
Speaker 12: which makes it kind of easy for kids to make

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00:35:10,493 --> 00:35:13,093
Speaker 12: to one hundred and twenty grams of melted butter, so

639
00:35:13,173 --> 00:35:15,973
Speaker 12: you could use the same of oil. So all of

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00:35:15,973 --> 00:35:18,053
Speaker 12: that goes into a big bowl and just whisk that

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Speaker 12: up until it's all incorporated, and then add one and

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Speaker 12: three quarter cups of plain flour, a generous teaspoon of

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Speaker 12: baking powder, a half a teaspoon of salt, and half

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Speaker 12: a teaspoon of baking soda. You'll often find that in

645
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Speaker 12: a muffin, and especially if you've got a yogurt in there,

646
00:35:33,813 --> 00:35:36,573
Speaker 12: the baking soda and the yogurt really kind of produce

647
00:35:36,613 --> 00:35:40,173
Speaker 12: a lovely, soft and rhythm crumb, which is great. Don't

648
00:35:40,173 --> 00:35:42,213
Speaker 12: over mix it when you're mixing that dry ingredient. And

649
00:35:42,213 --> 00:35:44,933
Speaker 12: then fold and I use a punnet, a whole punnet

650
00:35:44,973 --> 00:35:47,973
Speaker 12: of blueberries and these, and then divide that into your

651
00:35:48,053 --> 00:35:49,973
Speaker 12: muffin holes. You want to sort of fill them up

652
00:35:50,013 --> 00:35:52,973
Speaker 12: to ie Bose level and they'll rise above the level

653
00:35:53,013 --> 00:35:55,533
Speaker 12: of the whole. And then sprinkle each muffin jack with

654
00:35:55,613 --> 00:35:58,733
Speaker 12: a decent sprinkle of just plain white sugar. It's a

655
00:35:58,813 --> 00:36:01,693
Speaker 12: really beautiful little treat that kind of I don't know,

656
00:36:01,733 --> 00:36:04,853
Speaker 12: I guess it's I guess it's registers on your lips.

657
00:36:05,053 --> 00:36:07,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's so good.

658
00:36:07,613 --> 00:36:11,093
Speaker 12: Bake them until the golden brown. Take about seventeen seventeen

659
00:36:11,133 --> 00:36:12,973
Speaker 12: to twenty minutes. That's the great thing about a muffin

660
00:36:12,973 --> 00:36:15,373
Speaker 12: as opposed to a cake. Let it call on a

661
00:36:15,373 --> 00:36:18,013
Speaker 12: wire rack for just about ten minutes before easing each

662
00:36:18,093 --> 00:36:20,973
Speaker 12: the muffins out of the tin, especially if you haven't

663
00:36:21,053 --> 00:36:24,933
Speaker 12: used any baking paper lining. They're really good. They're even

664
00:36:24,973 --> 00:36:27,333
Speaker 12: better I reckon the day after. And they're even better

665
00:36:27,373 --> 00:36:30,293
Speaker 12: if you split them and buff of them. So they're

666
00:36:30,333 --> 00:36:30,813
Speaker 12: just so good.

667
00:36:30,973 --> 00:36:32,773
Speaker 3: I think it's the I think, okay, this is going

668
00:36:32,813 --> 00:36:36,773
Speaker 3: to surprise you, I reckon. I think the ingredient that

669
00:36:36,813 --> 00:36:39,173
Speaker 3: really makes them isn't the blueberries. It isn't the two

670
00:36:39,253 --> 00:36:41,733
Speaker 3: different sorts of sugar. Although you know, I am a

671
00:36:41,733 --> 00:36:45,533
Speaker 3: fan of that. It's the yogurt. It's the richness that

672
00:36:45,573 --> 00:36:49,053
Speaker 3: comes with the yoga. It's kind of simultaneously rich and light,

673
00:36:49,253 --> 00:36:49,853
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

674
00:36:50,173 --> 00:36:53,133
Speaker 12: I know exactly what you mean. And it's the acidity

675
00:36:53,173 --> 00:36:55,293
Speaker 12: of the yogurt that I think really gives them a

676
00:36:55,333 --> 00:36:59,013
Speaker 12: beautiful tender crumb. And I'm with your yogurt better than milk.

677
00:36:59,053 --> 00:37:01,133
Speaker 12: I mean a lot of recipes call for buttermilk. I

678
00:37:01,693 --> 00:37:03,973
Speaker 12: never have butter milk. I use yogurt. Oh I should

679
00:37:04,013 --> 00:37:06,533
Speaker 12: have said, Actually, I also sometimes load them. Is that

680
00:37:06,613 --> 00:37:08,453
Speaker 12: with a whole lot of lemon best, which is lovely?

681
00:37:08,493 --> 00:37:10,453
Speaker 12: With the blueberries. You could also put a.

682
00:37:10,413 --> 00:37:12,533
Speaker 3: Good a bit more acidity raped in.

683
00:37:12,493 --> 00:37:16,173
Speaker 12: There as well, plenty of flavor, good old favorite. I'm

684
00:37:16,173 --> 00:37:19,973
Speaker 12: telling you, I just loved scoffing these. I had three

685
00:37:20,133 --> 00:37:22,093
Speaker 12: while they were still warm, and then I had to

686
00:37:22,093 --> 00:37:23,813
Speaker 12: give the rest away because it was like, I know

687
00:37:23,853 --> 00:37:24,973
Speaker 12: where the rest of those are going.

688
00:37:26,693 --> 00:37:28,973
Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with that, Nothing wrong with that, Nicky, You're

689
00:37:29,053 --> 00:37:31,053
Speaker 3: very good. I reckon that could be a fantastic little

690
00:37:31,413 --> 00:37:35,613
Speaker 3: holiday weekend option. Thank you so much, my pleasure. We

691
00:37:35,653 --> 00:37:38,573
Speaker 3: will make sure that the recipe for Nicki's Blueberry muffins

692
00:37:38,613 --> 00:37:40,493
Speaker 3: is up on the news talks. He'd be websites so

693
00:37:40,573 --> 00:37:42,053
Speaker 3: you can cook along at home as well.

694
00:37:42,573 --> 00:37:46,413
Speaker 4: Fantastic giving you the inside scoop on all you need

695
00:37:46,453 --> 00:37:50,453
Speaker 4: to know Saturday morning with Jack team News Talks. It'd be.

696
00:37:52,453 --> 00:37:56,533
Speaker 3: Is Milania Trump the most famous Slovenian? Or is it

697
00:37:56,613 --> 00:37:59,013
Speaker 3: Taday Pagacca? You know the guy who's won the Tour

698
00:37:59,053 --> 00:38:03,773
Speaker 3: de France however many times? Ooh, probably Millennia. Probably Millennia. Anyway,

699
00:38:03,813 --> 00:38:05,973
Speaker 3: I'm disappointed that there's not a bit more in Slovenia

700
00:38:06,093 --> 00:38:08,333
Speaker 3: and the Millennia film. I'd be really interested to know

701
00:38:08,333 --> 00:38:10,613
Speaker 3: about her life growing up in Slovenia. Had a couple

702
00:38:10,613 --> 00:38:14,453
Speaker 3: of nights in Lubyana once. It was beautiful, So yeah,

703
00:38:14,453 --> 00:38:16,293
Speaker 3: I would have been really interested in that. Thank you

704
00:38:16,373 --> 00:38:16,893
Speaker 3: for your text.

705
00:38:16,973 --> 00:38:17,213
Speaker 6: Jack.

706
00:38:17,453 --> 00:38:19,853
Speaker 3: You could make a better movie about yourself than Milania has.

707
00:38:19,853 --> 00:38:21,693
Speaker 3: It would be way more interesting. You'd be rich too.

708
00:38:21,733 --> 00:38:23,453
Speaker 3: We'd all go and look at your film. No, you wouldn't.

709
00:38:23,933 --> 00:38:25,973
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be rich. I don't think Amazon would be

710
00:38:25,973 --> 00:38:29,373
Speaker 3: paying wasn't it forty million new estollers for it? But

711
00:38:29,413 --> 00:38:30,973
Speaker 3: thank you for that. If you don't want to go

712
00:38:31,013 --> 00:38:34,013
Speaker 3: and see Milania at the movies, don't stress. After ten

713
00:38:34,093 --> 00:38:37,173
Speaker 3: this morning, we have our screen time picks for this weekend,

714
00:38:38,333 --> 00:38:40,773
Speaker 3: including a new adaptation of Lord of the Flies that

715
00:38:40,813 --> 00:38:42,773
Speaker 3: you can watch your stream at home. That sounds very

716
00:38:42,853 --> 00:38:45,973
Speaker 3: interesting indeed. As well as that, of course, our feature

717
00:38:45,973 --> 00:38:48,813
Speaker 3: interview right after the ten o'clock news, the lads from

718
00:38:48,933 --> 00:38:52,573
Speaker 3: Yumi Zuma are back in New Zealand before heading off

719
00:38:52,733 --> 00:38:54,933
Speaker 3: on their world tour. We're going to talk about their

720
00:38:54,933 --> 00:38:59,093
Speaker 3: brand new album, No Love Loss to Kindness. That mark's

721
00:38:59,093 --> 00:39:01,813
Speaker 3: a bit of a shift for New Zealand's favorite dream

722
00:39:01,853 --> 00:39:04,093
Speaker 3: pop band, so they're going to be in studio readly

723
00:39:04,133 --> 00:39:06,053
Speaker 3: looking forward to that. News is next though it is

724
00:39:06,053 --> 00:39:08,813
Speaker 3: almost ten o'clock. It is Saturday morning. I'm Jack Taman.

725
00:39:08,973 --> 00:39:10,413
Speaker 3: This is News Talk zed B.

726
00:39:13,373 --> 00:39:16,973
Speaker 1: It's cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with

727
00:39:17,173 --> 00:39:19,053
Speaker 1: Jack tam used talks.

728
00:39:28,053 --> 00:39:46,493
Speaker 6: Stitute Yoda.

729
00:39:46,533 --> 00:39:48,773
Speaker 3: You're with Jack Taime on News Talks dB. That is,

730
00:39:48,813 --> 00:39:52,253
Speaker 3: of course, you mean Zoomer the gold standard for ethereal

731
00:39:52,573 --> 00:39:56,333
Speaker 3: dream pop. After a decade together, the Kiwi quartet has

732
00:39:56,413 --> 00:40:00,493
Speaker 3: really honed their shimmering eerie sound. But with the release

733
00:40:00,533 --> 00:40:02,973
Speaker 3: of their fifth album, No Love Lost to Kindness, the

734
00:40:03,013 --> 00:40:06,133
Speaker 3: band wanted to push the envelope just a bit and

735
00:40:06,213 --> 00:40:09,253
Speaker 3: you m ZEBA. Guitarists Charlie and Josh joined me in

736
00:40:09,293 --> 00:40:11,533
Speaker 3: the studio this morning. Calder, welcome home.

737
00:40:12,733 --> 00:40:16,053
Speaker 16: Great to be back in New Zealand, especially in the

738
00:40:16,213 --> 00:40:21,253
Speaker 16: Southern Hemisphere versus our northern hemisphere winter times. It's been lovely.

739
00:40:21,373 --> 00:40:23,653
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been pretty pritty because you guys aren't here

740
00:40:24,013 --> 00:40:25,173
Speaker 3: altogether often.

741
00:40:24,973 --> 00:40:28,653
Speaker 17: Right, very rarely, only when we're touring, and it's been

742
00:40:28,693 --> 00:40:32,133
Speaker 17: a few years since we release an album, right, So yeah.

743
00:40:31,653 --> 00:40:33,053
Speaker 3: How about how often are you together?

744
00:40:33,813 --> 00:40:33,973
Speaker 6: Is that?

745
00:40:34,693 --> 00:40:34,893
Speaker 16: You know?

746
00:40:35,013 --> 00:40:35,213
Speaker 4: More?

747
00:40:35,613 --> 00:40:37,373
Speaker 16: More and more has the project's gone on, Like the

748
00:40:37,413 --> 00:40:41,053
Speaker 16: project started as a full remote project back in twenty thirteen,

749
00:40:41,813 --> 00:40:43,373
Speaker 16: and since that time.

750
00:40:43,373 --> 00:40:44,453
Speaker 3: The project isn't the band.

751
00:40:44,573 --> 00:40:47,653
Speaker 16: Yeah, there's the band is Jumi Zoomer. Yeah, and you know,

752
00:40:47,693 --> 00:40:50,853
Speaker 16: since that time, we've been lucky that each record we do,

753
00:40:50,933 --> 00:40:52,933
Speaker 16: we managed to get together in a studio sort of

754
00:40:53,133 --> 00:40:58,413
Speaker 16: three or four times for intensive working. And so yeah,

755
00:40:58,653 --> 00:41:00,773
Speaker 16: definitely more and more of the year. So maybe by

756
00:41:00,813 --> 00:41:03,493
Speaker 16: the time we retire, we'll be looking at sort of

757
00:41:03,573 --> 00:41:06,093
Speaker 16: six to eight months together if we can stomach that.

758
00:41:06,773 --> 00:41:10,413
Speaker 3: How uncommon is that to be doing things remote, to

759
00:41:10,453 --> 00:41:14,413
Speaker 3: be creating remotely from one another, as you guys have been.

760
00:41:14,973 --> 00:41:18,093
Speaker 17: I think it was probably more uncommon before the pandemic,

761
00:41:18,453 --> 00:41:20,573
Speaker 17: and then when COVID came around our label, it was like, oh,

762
00:41:20,813 --> 00:41:22,733
Speaker 17: ks will be completely used to this, right, you've been

763
00:41:22,733 --> 00:41:26,013
Speaker 17: doing this for years. But even then, it's not the

764
00:41:26,053 --> 00:41:29,133
Speaker 17: most comfortable experience because you don't get the benefit of

765
00:41:29,173 --> 00:41:32,013
Speaker 17: bouncing ideas off each other in the studio. The one

766
00:41:32,053 --> 00:41:34,653
Speaker 17: pro is someone gets to work during the night when

767
00:41:34,653 --> 00:41:36,853
Speaker 17: everyone else is asleep, and they have time to experiment

768
00:41:36,893 --> 00:41:39,413
Speaker 17: on ideas that you wouldn't get when you're all in

769
00:41:39,413 --> 00:41:42,093
Speaker 17: the room together. But it's nice to be together, and

770
00:41:42,133 --> 00:41:44,453
Speaker 17: we're all best friends, so we love hanging out as

771
00:41:44,533 --> 00:41:45,213
Speaker 17: much as possible.

772
00:41:45,293 --> 00:41:47,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean so it's very much like you

773
00:41:48,373 --> 00:41:51,933
Speaker 3: seend each other what you've recorded or what you've done,

774
00:41:52,253 --> 00:41:55,173
Speaker 3: as opposed to getting on like a zoom call together

775
00:41:55,533 --> 00:41:57,173
Speaker 3: yea and all being like, oh what do you think

776
00:41:57,293 --> 00:41:59,973
Speaker 3: because the times and stuff are complicated.

777
00:41:59,693 --> 00:42:02,373
Speaker 16: Certain parts of the process. Yeah, have like in as

778
00:42:02,413 --> 00:42:05,173
Speaker 16: technology is progress, like for instance, our drummer is in

779
00:42:05,253 --> 00:42:08,133
Speaker 16: Wellington and we can zoom into that now and we

780
00:42:08,173 --> 00:42:10,973
Speaker 16: can watch a live feed and we can give notes

781
00:42:11,013 --> 00:42:14,253
Speaker 16: and feedback and stuff like that. But definitely, even in

782
00:42:14,293 --> 00:42:16,693
Speaker 16: the last five years that would have just been impossible

783
00:42:16,733 --> 00:42:20,573
Speaker 16: to do. So it's slowly getting more and more dystopian

784
00:42:21,213 --> 00:42:25,173
Speaker 16: that you can be really remote and in real time.

785
00:42:25,853 --> 00:42:28,813
Speaker 16: But yeah, it's less of sort of like band practice

786
00:42:28,813 --> 00:42:31,093
Speaker 16: with headphones and different parts of the world and someone

787
00:42:31,173 --> 00:42:33,213
Speaker 16: tapping and so yeah.

788
00:42:33,173 --> 00:42:35,973
Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask about Mexico City in a minute, because

789
00:42:36,333 --> 00:42:40,933
Speaker 3: I love that as a is a creatively stimulatory place.

790
00:42:42,093 --> 00:42:45,653
Speaker 3: But tell me about the shift, because I think it's

791
00:42:45,693 --> 00:42:48,053
Speaker 3: fair to say, without wanting to pinhole or peak hole

792
00:42:48,053 --> 00:42:50,933
Speaker 3: people to genres too much, this not that I've lost

793
00:42:50,933 --> 00:42:52,533
Speaker 3: the kind of definitely marks a bit of a bit

794
00:42:52,573 --> 00:42:54,973
Speaker 3: of a shift day crunch air kind of guitar licks,

795
00:42:55,173 --> 00:42:58,493
Speaker 3: and clearly you guys have quite consciously made a bit

796
00:42:58,493 --> 00:42:59,573
Speaker 3: of a move, So tell me about it.

797
00:43:00,413 --> 00:43:03,293
Speaker 17: Yeah, I think it's when you listen to just albums,

798
00:43:03,373 --> 00:43:06,333
Speaker 17: maybe it's like a seismic shift. But previously, on our

799
00:43:06,493 --> 00:43:09,213
Speaker 17: last record we did something called EP four where we

800
00:43:09,253 --> 00:43:11,773
Speaker 17: started putting distortion on our guitars for the first time.

801
00:43:12,173 --> 00:43:14,373
Speaker 17: We were listening to like a lot of nineties alternative

802
00:43:14,453 --> 00:43:17,533
Speaker 17: rock and so slightly moving away from a dream pop space.

803
00:43:17,573 --> 00:43:20,413
Speaker 3: But not totally. And then yeah, on this album.

804
00:43:20,213 --> 00:43:24,213
Speaker 17: Leaning that and leaning into that direction even more when

805
00:43:24,253 --> 00:43:26,493
Speaker 17: you compare it to like our first records back in

806
00:43:26,453 --> 00:43:29,493
Speaker 17: two thousand and fourteen fifteen sixteen, where we were very

807
00:43:29,573 --> 00:43:33,933
Speaker 17: much a bedroom pop kind of synthpop band, it definitely

808
00:43:33,973 --> 00:43:36,573
Speaker 17: has you know, there's a big juxtaposition. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

809
00:43:36,613 --> 00:43:39,333
Speaker 17: But for us, it's just been a natural progression. I

810
00:43:39,333 --> 00:43:42,533
Speaker 17: think we listened to a lot of music, different genres

811
00:43:42,613 --> 00:43:46,133
Speaker 17: that includes like rock music, heavy stuff, and at the time,

812
00:43:46,693 --> 00:43:49,093
Speaker 17: I think, yeah, we it made sense to us to

813
00:43:49,093 --> 00:43:52,533
Speaker 17: go in more of a grungier, harder direction because after

814
00:43:52,613 --> 00:43:55,653
Speaker 17: releasing five albums and I guess like a hundred songs,

815
00:43:55,733 --> 00:43:58,373
Speaker 17: you know, you can't just keep doing the same thing

816
00:43:58,413 --> 00:43:59,093
Speaker 17: over and over again.

817
00:43:59,213 --> 00:44:02,853
Speaker 3: No, And it's I mean, yeah, it must be exciting

818
00:44:02,893 --> 00:44:05,253
Speaker 3: to kind of hid in a new direction, but I

819
00:44:05,253 --> 00:44:10,173
Speaker 3: suppose you know, not least because you're in different parts

820
00:44:10,173 --> 00:44:13,013
Speaker 3: of the world. You've got to make sure that you're

821
00:44:13,013 --> 00:44:14,733
Speaker 3: all pulling in the same direction. If you are, you know,

822
00:44:14,773 --> 00:44:16,533
Speaker 3: if you're going if you're going to go, say, we

823
00:44:16,693 --> 00:44:19,053
Speaker 3: pursue a different sound, and I can imagine that there's

824
00:44:19,093 --> 00:44:20,133
Speaker 3: some creative tension there.

825
00:44:20,613 --> 00:44:23,573
Speaker 16: Yeah, and I think that like, intentionality can be like

826
00:44:23,613 --> 00:44:25,533
Speaker 16: a real double ed sword that like if you get

827
00:44:25,533 --> 00:44:28,093
Speaker 16: everyone in a room and say, hey, everyone, we are

828
00:44:28,813 --> 00:44:31,933
Speaker 16: you know, we are going this direction, it can be

829
00:44:32,093 --> 00:44:34,133
Speaker 16: kind of jarring. So you kind of just need to

830
00:44:34,293 --> 00:44:37,573
Speaker 16: have everyone in for the ride, for the process of

831
00:44:37,573 --> 00:44:39,253
Speaker 16: the ride, And I think that's where you start to

832
00:44:39,333 --> 00:44:43,373
Speaker 16: find your footing with changes like this. Like I sometimes

833
00:44:43,453 --> 00:44:47,453
Speaker 16: think that artists get more credit for like big seismic

834
00:44:47,573 --> 00:44:51,253
Speaker 16: changes that they are intentional, they sort of slowly reveal themselves.

835
00:44:51,293 --> 00:44:53,693
Speaker 16: So like for us, it was something that kind of

836
00:44:53,813 --> 00:44:56,893
Speaker 16: came together over the space of you know, months and

837
00:44:57,013 --> 00:44:59,613
Speaker 16: months of working. It's not like we sort of flicked

838
00:44:59,613 --> 00:45:00,573
Speaker 16: the switch and went.

839
00:45:00,773 --> 00:45:05,853
Speaker 3: Like Cowboy Carter yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. We never sat

840
00:45:05,853 --> 00:45:08,013
Speaker 3: down and had a and meeting or like right right,

841
00:45:08,133 --> 00:45:12,293
Speaker 3: yeah yeah, So it's kind of organic in that sense. Yeah, yeah, totally.

842
00:45:12,373 --> 00:45:14,533
Speaker 16: And you know, like the way that we started this

843
00:45:14,573 --> 00:45:17,133
Speaker 16: record was in between touring, Like we had a two

844
00:45:17,173 --> 00:45:19,853
Speaker 16: three week space off touring the US, and then often

845
00:45:19,893 --> 00:45:22,213
Speaker 16: when you're playing live, you're sort of being a lot

846
00:45:22,213 --> 00:45:24,373
Speaker 16: more dynamic, and a lot of the feedback we get

847
00:45:24,373 --> 00:45:27,253
Speaker 16: from our shows is that it's a lot more rock anyway,

848
00:45:27,373 --> 00:45:30,653
Speaker 16: And I think we kind of bought that into those sessions.

849
00:45:30,693 --> 00:45:32,853
Speaker 16: You know, other records had come at the end of

850
00:45:33,333 --> 00:45:36,693
Speaker 16: a touring cycle of fifty sixty seventy shows and maybe

851
00:45:36,733 --> 00:45:39,613
Speaker 16: you're craving quieter, delicate of things. With us, we were

852
00:45:39,653 --> 00:45:42,213
Speaker 16: sort of like, you know, to a fit that we

853
00:45:42,253 --> 00:45:45,293
Speaker 16: wanted to really kind of like thrash things around a

854
00:45:45,293 --> 00:45:46,293
Speaker 16: bit like we had been.

855
00:45:46,813 --> 00:45:49,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's nice. It's yeah, Yeah, that's it seems

856
00:45:49,813 --> 00:45:52,733
Speaker 3: like a yeah, like I said, like a kind of

857
00:45:52,813 --> 00:45:55,493
Speaker 3: organic way to pursue things. Does it come through you

858
00:45:55,533 --> 00:45:57,693
Speaker 3: said you listening to a lot of like nineties alternative

859
00:45:57,773 --> 00:45:59,613
Speaker 3: rock and kind of grungy your stuff as well. Is

860
00:45:59,613 --> 00:46:02,413
Speaker 3: there just a you know, is it like a band

861
00:46:02,533 --> 00:46:04,933
Speaker 3: group chat on WhatsApp where you guys are sending each

862
00:46:04,933 --> 00:46:08,773
Speaker 3: other links to albums or something that you're you know, listening.

863
00:46:08,573 --> 00:46:11,813
Speaker 17: To it's an I message shot. Yes, we definitely did

864
00:46:11,813 --> 00:46:14,773
Speaker 17: that a lot. Stuff were I think we were listening

865
00:46:14,773 --> 00:46:18,093
Speaker 17: to a lot of nineties New Zealand, like alternative Rocke

866
00:46:18,133 --> 00:46:20,693
Speaker 17: at the time. Like I keep talking about the Tadpole

867
00:46:20,733 --> 00:46:24,493
Speaker 17: album of a Buddha finger and mixed by Stella. There's

868
00:46:24,493 --> 00:46:25,733
Speaker 17: a big reference points for me.

869
00:46:27,053 --> 00:46:30,653
Speaker 16: Yeah, I finally watched the Sheha documentary which came out

870
00:46:31,013 --> 00:46:33,293
Speaker 16: maybe five or six years ago, and sort of fell

871
00:46:33,333 --> 00:46:35,533
Speaker 16: in love with that band again. And it's like one

872
00:46:35,533 --> 00:46:38,093
Speaker 16: of the great things of music, especially like stuff you'd

873
00:46:38,093 --> 00:46:40,573
Speaker 16: listened to earlier, you go back and listen to it

874
00:46:40,613 --> 00:46:43,413
Speaker 16: with different ears, and there was so much texture and

875
00:46:43,493 --> 00:46:47,693
Speaker 16: stuff in that music. But like, definitely the group chat

876
00:46:47,813 --> 00:46:53,253
Speaker 16: was getting getting full of Placebo and stellar and silver

877
00:46:53,413 --> 00:46:54,493
Speaker 16: Chair Yeah.

878
00:46:54,733 --> 00:46:58,533
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, so Australasian stuff. Yeah, yeah, a real

879
00:46:58,613 --> 00:46:59,933
Speaker 3: kind of antipathy and flavor.

880
00:46:59,933 --> 00:47:04,493
Speaker 17: Though we've always been very influenced by antipathy and bands especially.

881
00:47:04,573 --> 00:47:07,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you said that part of it came through

882
00:47:07,533 --> 00:47:10,053
Speaker 3: kind of being on the you know, when you when

883
00:47:10,053 --> 00:47:13,893
Speaker 3: your match for touring and your shows are maybe slightly

884
00:47:14,893 --> 00:47:19,893
Speaker 3: slightly grungier than that pure dream pop sound. Does that

885
00:47:19,973 --> 00:47:24,253
Speaker 3: mean that it's safer for your audience? You know that

886
00:47:24,253 --> 00:47:26,933
Speaker 3: that the shift is actually kind of more organic for

887
00:47:26,973 --> 00:47:29,413
Speaker 3: the audience as well, and that they lot lots of

888
00:47:29,453 --> 00:47:32,253
Speaker 3: your fans will have already heard a slightly heavier sound

889
00:47:32,333 --> 00:47:32,933
Speaker 3: at your shows.

890
00:47:33,653 --> 00:47:36,133
Speaker 16: Yeah, I would like to think so, because you know,

891
00:47:36,173 --> 00:47:38,333
Speaker 16: when you come to see us live, we you know,

892
00:47:38,413 --> 00:47:41,373
Speaker 16: it's a lot of live drums and sort of like

893
00:47:41,533 --> 00:47:45,773
Speaker 16: almost like a classic like rock formation of guitar, bass

894
00:47:45,813 --> 00:47:46,613
Speaker 16: and drums.

895
00:47:46,653 --> 00:47:48,213
Speaker 3: So it's it's not like.

896
00:47:48,293 --> 00:47:50,573
Speaker 16: When we were live. We were really we were more

897
00:47:50,693 --> 00:47:53,493
Speaker 16: leaning towards the direction of this record live for a

898
00:47:53,533 --> 00:47:54,693
Speaker 16: long time anyways.

899
00:47:54,773 --> 00:47:57,893
Speaker 3: So but yeah, I mean, I mean, you're not gonna

900
00:47:57,893 --> 00:47:59,973
Speaker 3: you're not gonna isolate your fans. As my point, you're

901
00:48:00,013 --> 00:48:01,853
Speaker 3: not going to say like, here we go, guys, new

902
00:48:01,893 --> 00:48:03,853
Speaker 3: album and for your fans gonna go, what is this?

903
00:48:03,973 --> 00:48:05,053
Speaker 3: We definitely had some of that.

904
00:48:05,973 --> 00:48:08,573
Speaker 17: Yeah, Intentionally, we chose a lot of the singles to

905
00:48:08,613 --> 00:48:11,093
Speaker 17: be the heaviest songs because that's what we're excited about,

906
00:48:11,213 --> 00:48:13,733
Speaker 17: I guess. And so some people in Lane were like, oh,

907
00:48:13,773 --> 00:48:16,533
Speaker 17: you've abandoned us, and to that I would always say,

908
00:48:16,653 --> 00:48:18,333
Speaker 17: just swait to the rest of the young. There are

909
00:48:18,333 --> 00:48:19,613
Speaker 17: songs for you, we just haven't.

910
00:48:20,013 --> 00:48:23,493
Speaker 16: I fell down the unadvisable whole of replying to people

911
00:48:23,533 --> 00:48:26,693
Speaker 16: on what yeah, of just you know, saying well, so

912
00:48:26,773 --> 00:48:29,093
Speaker 16: you know, sorry to hear that you're not feeling this

913
00:48:29,333 --> 00:48:31,773
Speaker 16: but a few and then people are very apologetic when

914
00:48:32,253 --> 00:48:33,933
Speaker 16: when somebody readtorts back.

915
00:48:34,013 --> 00:48:36,693
Speaker 3: But also my experience on read it is that people

916
00:48:36,773 --> 00:48:40,653
Speaker 3: are less horrible than some other generally speaking, than some

917
00:48:40,733 --> 00:48:42,693
Speaker 3: other social media platforms. It's true.

918
00:48:42,693 --> 00:48:46,453
Speaker 16: I haven't combed the Instagram or the dreaded Facebook.

919
00:48:46,853 --> 00:48:49,173
Speaker 3: It's the it's the Twitter, it's the X where you

920
00:48:49,293 --> 00:48:52,653
Speaker 3: really get into a kind of a cesspit these days. No, no, no,

921
00:48:52,653 --> 00:48:54,853
Speaker 3: you don't be doing that. But well, you guys are

922
00:48:54,893 --> 00:48:55,933
Speaker 3: engaging at that level.

923
00:48:56,133 --> 00:48:57,733
Speaker 17: Yeah, we just did have read it ask me anything

924
00:48:57,813 --> 00:48:59,693
Speaker 17: yesterday as well, so we are very cluded.

925
00:48:59,933 --> 00:49:00,093
Speaker 5: Yeah.

926
00:49:00,213 --> 00:49:05,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And despite some nervousness from your fans about

927
00:49:05,573 --> 00:49:08,573
Speaker 3: the kind of change in direction, generally people are pretty

928
00:49:08,573 --> 00:49:09,173
Speaker 3: positive about it.

929
00:49:09,213 --> 00:49:09,613
Speaker 5: I dayeah.

930
00:49:09,653 --> 00:49:12,053
Speaker 17: I think so because on album release day we released

931
00:49:12,093 --> 00:49:14,253
Speaker 17: Cowboy without a Clue, which is probably like our most

932
00:49:14,613 --> 00:49:17,053
Speaker 17: quintessential unisumer sounding song off this album. So I think

933
00:49:17,133 --> 00:49:18,733
Speaker 17: that has plicated a few people as well.

934
00:49:18,773 --> 00:49:20,933
Speaker 3: Did you record some of that in India?

935
00:49:21,133 --> 00:49:21,293
Speaker 5: Yeah?

936
00:49:21,333 --> 00:49:21,573
Speaker 3: I did.

937
00:49:21,613 --> 00:49:24,653
Speaker 16: I was traveling through India and I was in Chennai

938
00:49:24,733 --> 00:49:28,813
Speaker 16: and I just google maps recording studio near me and

939
00:49:28,813 --> 00:49:31,933
Speaker 16: found a great studio called River Studios. And I spent

940
00:49:31,973 --> 00:49:34,373
Speaker 16: a week in there just tinkering around, and I said, hey,

941
00:49:34,373 --> 00:49:35,693
Speaker 16: do you happen to know any.

942
00:49:35,573 --> 00:49:36,613
Speaker 3: Like local players?

943
00:49:36,973 --> 00:49:41,533
Speaker 16: It was a really great sitar player Kumar Kashaw who

944
00:49:41,613 --> 00:49:44,733
Speaker 16: came in and did this thing for twenty minutes. We

945
00:49:44,773 --> 00:49:47,333
Speaker 16: went and had a meal and that was that. Yeah,

946
00:49:47,373 --> 00:49:49,053
Speaker 16: and then there was an incredible experience to.

947
00:49:49,493 --> 00:49:51,293
Speaker 3: Really like John Lennon nineteen seventy.

948
00:49:51,573 --> 00:49:55,653
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, it was sort of my long lost weekend

949
00:49:55,973 --> 00:49:59,133
Speaker 16: in India, but yeah, it was. There was a really

950
00:49:59,573 --> 00:50:03,213
Speaker 16: cool experience, especially for something like A star is just

951
00:50:03,293 --> 00:50:05,573
Speaker 16: so far from the world of I didn't even know

952
00:50:05,573 --> 00:50:07,893
Speaker 16: how to give direct on it, and then just hearing

953
00:50:07,933 --> 00:50:09,613
Speaker 16: it in there it kind of just gave that track

954
00:50:10,053 --> 00:50:11,133
Speaker 16: a really different feel.

955
00:50:11,173 --> 00:50:11,813
Speaker 4: But yeah, it was.

956
00:50:12,013 --> 00:50:14,653
Speaker 3: It was good fun, an amazing experience. Yeah, so you

957
00:50:14,653 --> 00:50:16,253
Speaker 3: were just traveling through India at the time.

958
00:50:16,493 --> 00:50:18,613
Speaker 16: Yeah, And you know, the thing with Yumi Zuomer is

959
00:50:18,613 --> 00:50:21,293
Speaker 16: like we kind of never really stopped working on music,

960
00:50:21,413 --> 00:50:23,973
Speaker 16: you know, so we always have things that we're tinkering

961
00:50:24,013 --> 00:50:28,973
Speaker 16: around on. And yeah, I like to find studios in

962
00:50:28,973 --> 00:50:31,813
Speaker 16: different places. I do a lot of solo travel, and

963
00:50:31,813 --> 00:50:33,693
Speaker 16: at a certain point you can only go to so many

964
00:50:33,933 --> 00:50:37,933
Speaker 16: museums and UNESCO heritage sites or whatever before you're sort

965
00:50:37,933 --> 00:50:39,813
Speaker 16: of like, I feel like I should be doing something,

966
00:50:40,493 --> 00:50:43,213
Speaker 16: you know. So the studio was yet a great resource

967
00:50:43,253 --> 00:50:44,253
Speaker 16: and do.

968
00:50:44,253 --> 00:50:47,173
Speaker 3: You find it creatively stimulating to be traveling like that.

969
00:50:47,293 --> 00:50:50,173
Speaker 16: Yeah, one hundred percent. And sort of the genesis of

970
00:50:50,213 --> 00:50:52,893
Speaker 16: like starting this record was a studio we booked in

971
00:50:53,093 --> 00:50:57,253
Speaker 16: Mexico City and part of that and we've done this before.

972
00:50:57,373 --> 00:51:00,053
Speaker 16: I feel like when you take people out of where

973
00:51:00,093 --> 00:51:03,093
Speaker 16: their home is and you're all having new experience at

974
00:51:03,093 --> 00:51:04,533
Speaker 16: the same time, and they're not.

975
00:51:04,493 --> 00:51:07,133
Speaker 17: Getting distracted by your friends and family, Yeah.

976
00:51:07,373 --> 00:51:09,173
Speaker 16: You know, you kind of open up in a way.

977
00:51:09,213 --> 00:51:12,093
Speaker 16: You're all seeing new things for the first time. You're

978
00:51:12,133 --> 00:51:14,333
Speaker 16: eating new foods for the first time, and I think

979
00:51:14,333 --> 00:51:16,933
Speaker 16: that that kind of gets a collective buy and to

980
00:51:17,653 --> 00:51:20,253
Speaker 16: just yeah, be a little bit more uninhabited.

981
00:51:20,653 --> 00:51:20,853
Speaker 7: Yeah.

982
00:51:20,853 --> 00:51:23,413
Speaker 16: So Mexico City was a fantastic.

983
00:51:22,853 --> 00:51:24,373
Speaker 3: Place to start this record.

984
00:51:24,453 --> 00:51:24,653
Speaker 6: Yeah.

985
00:51:24,733 --> 00:51:27,213
Speaker 3: Right, so you're all there together for that day, Yeah,

986
00:51:27,213 --> 00:51:27,533
Speaker 3: we were.

987
00:51:27,853 --> 00:51:31,173
Speaker 17: We just played in Mexico City, man, and so we'd

988
00:51:31,173 --> 00:51:32,733
Speaker 17: go out and people would stop us in the streets

989
00:51:32,733 --> 00:51:33,093
Speaker 17: and stuff.

990
00:51:34,733 --> 00:51:35,173
Speaker 3: Really.

991
00:51:35,253 --> 00:51:38,613
Speaker 16: Yeah, they are huge music fans in Mexico, and music

992
00:51:38,693 --> 00:51:41,853
Speaker 16: is everywhere in that country, in particularly in that city,

993
00:51:41,933 --> 00:51:45,613
Speaker 16: like every corner you turn. And actually, I hadn't even

994
00:51:45,613 --> 00:51:48,413
Speaker 16: really thought of this. They are huge fans of alternative rock,

995
00:51:48,813 --> 00:51:51,253
Speaker 16: like some of the biggest bands there, Like I think

996
00:51:51,253 --> 00:51:55,013
Speaker 16: the Deftones are one of the biggest bands in Mexico,

997
00:51:55,253 --> 00:51:57,493
Speaker 16: so maybe that was sort of pushing us in that

998
00:51:57,573 --> 00:51:58,253
Speaker 16: direction too.

999
00:51:58,893 --> 00:52:01,453
Speaker 17: And we found a great studio, Lucana Studios. Yeah, they

1000
00:52:01,493 --> 00:52:03,293
Speaker 17: looked after us very well, and we'd take us out

1001
00:52:03,373 --> 00:52:04,813
Speaker 17: after recording and things like that.

1002
00:52:04,853 --> 00:52:08,853
Speaker 16: So very colorful drape and all draped in pink, pink carpet,

1003
00:52:09,013 --> 00:52:12,933
Speaker 16: pink curtains, which you know, sometimes studios are quite drab

1004
00:52:13,013 --> 00:52:17,813
Speaker 16: and have a bit of an ikea modernist where this was. Yeah,

1005
00:52:17,813 --> 00:52:20,133
Speaker 16: this was a pop of refreshing color for sure.

1006
00:52:20,413 --> 00:52:22,453
Speaker 3: Oh how special man, you guys live in the dream,

1007
00:52:23,293 --> 00:52:27,573
Speaker 3: make it the sound very Chennai one minute, Mexico City,

1008
00:52:27,653 --> 00:52:29,373
Speaker 3: the next off to Europe to start the tour.

1009
00:52:29,413 --> 00:52:31,693
Speaker 17: Now, yeah, we'll be going to a few places we

1010
00:52:31,693 --> 00:52:36,053
Speaker 17: haven't been before, like Warsaw and Poland being there in Austria.

1011
00:52:36,253 --> 00:52:39,293
Speaker 16: And we're actually trying really hard to predominantly do it

1012
00:52:39,293 --> 00:52:41,733
Speaker 16: by train, which has been a long sort of dream

1013
00:52:42,013 --> 00:52:44,773
Speaker 16: of mine to do the concert halls of Europe for

1014
00:52:44,853 --> 00:52:45,493
Speaker 16: via trains.

1015
00:52:45,693 --> 00:52:48,213
Speaker 4: So yeah, we.

1016
00:52:48,133 --> 00:52:50,933
Speaker 16: Are incredibly lucky, like to just continue to do it

1017
00:52:50,973 --> 00:52:54,133
Speaker 16: over a decade, continue to find an audience and find

1018
00:52:54,133 --> 00:52:57,653
Speaker 16: ways to keep creatively stimulated. And I think one of

1019
00:52:57,693 --> 00:52:59,733
Speaker 16: the things is we do sort of switch it up.

1020
00:52:59,813 --> 00:53:03,213
Speaker 16: You know, the distance can be tough, but it's meant

1021
00:53:03,213 --> 00:53:06,773
Speaker 16: that no record is the same, no tour as the saying.

1022
00:53:06,893 --> 00:53:08,533
Speaker 16: So yeah, very fortunate.

1023
00:53:08,773 --> 00:53:11,733
Speaker 3: Ah, how good. Well, congratulations on No Love Loss to Kindness.

1024
00:53:11,813 --> 00:53:14,333
Speaker 3: Have an amazing time on the road once again, and

1025
00:53:14,373 --> 00:53:16,093
Speaker 3: thank you so much for giving us your time this

1026
00:53:16,173 --> 00:53:17,373
Speaker 3: brief window that you're home.

1027
00:53:17,613 --> 00:53:19,253
Speaker 16: Thank you, Jack, thanks for having us.

1028
00:53:19,533 --> 00:53:22,573
Speaker 3: Charlie and Josh from Umi Zooma their new album is

1029
00:53:22,693 --> 00:53:27,053
Speaker 3: No Love Lost to Kindness. Before eleven o'clock on News

1030
00:53:27,053 --> 00:53:30,773
Speaker 3: Talks EDB, the EU has just decided that TikTok is

1031
00:53:31,213 --> 00:53:34,853
Speaker 3: officially too addictive for the kids. They say it's two addictive.

1032
00:53:34,933 --> 00:53:39,293
Speaker 3: Changes might be coming to TikTok in the European Union,

1033
00:53:39,493 --> 00:53:41,933
Speaker 3: and our Textpert's going to be in with his thoughts

1034
00:53:41,973 --> 00:53:43,733
Speaker 3: on that as well as that our man in the

1035
00:53:43,733 --> 00:53:46,573
Speaker 3: garden is trying some new stuff. He's planted a few

1036
00:53:46,733 --> 00:53:50,933
Speaker 3: new things, including a lime green colliflower. Yeah, lime green

1037
00:53:51,013 --> 00:53:55,333
Speaker 3: colored cauliflower rather than a lime tasting califlower. But he's

1038
00:53:55,373 --> 00:53:57,053
Speaker 3: going to give us his thoughts on that and share

1039
00:53:57,093 --> 00:53:59,933
Speaker 3: a few new varietals for your garden as well. Next up,

1040
00:53:59,933 --> 00:54:02,173
Speaker 3: we've got your screen time picks for this weekend. Twenty

1041
00:54:02,173 --> 00:54:04,693
Speaker 3: one past ten, Give a Jactaim on News Talks edb.

1042
00:54:06,453 --> 00:54:10,333
Speaker 1: Your weekend off the right way. Saturday Morning with Jaime

1043
00:54:10,733 --> 00:54:11,693
Speaker 1: Use Dogs EV.

1044
00:54:12,373 --> 00:54:15,533
Speaker 3: Twenty four past ten, which means it's screen time time.

1045
00:54:15,733 --> 00:54:18,813
Speaker 3: Carl Pushman's here with two picks for watching or streaming

1046
00:54:18,933 --> 00:54:22,173
Speaker 3: at home this weekend. Get a Carl, Good morning Jack.

1047
00:54:22,373 --> 00:54:25,133
Speaker 3: Let's begin with a new show on TVNZ plus. Tell

1048
00:54:25,253 --> 00:54:26,693
Speaker 3: us about DMV.

1049
00:54:27,733 --> 00:54:30,013
Speaker 11: Now, this is a new workplace comedy set in what

1050
00:54:30,053 --> 00:54:32,693
Speaker 11: we hear an art hero called VT and Z. Some

1051
00:54:32,813 --> 00:54:35,293
Speaker 11: of that joke is lost in translation. In the States,

1052
00:54:35,333 --> 00:54:38,133
Speaker 11: the DMV is considered the tenth circle of Hell, whereas

1053
00:54:38,133 --> 00:54:41,093
Speaker 11: popping into VT and Z is a relatively painless experience.

1054
00:54:41,573 --> 00:54:44,053
Speaker 11: The first episode does do a good job of introducing

1055
00:54:44,053 --> 00:54:46,733
Speaker 11: you to the familiar group of sitcom tropes and quirks

1056
00:54:46,733 --> 00:54:50,293
Speaker 11: that passes characters. The core trio are driver license examiners,

1057
00:54:50,573 --> 00:54:52,293
Speaker 11: and this gives the show a lot of leeway to

1058
00:54:52,333 --> 00:54:55,893
Speaker 11: introduce those sort of one off gag characters for each episode.

1059
00:54:56,293 --> 00:54:59,573
Speaker 11: The show's from Dana Klein, whose sitcom CV includes shows

1060
00:54:59,653 --> 00:55:02,933
Speaker 11: like Kath and Kim and the cultural juggernaut that was Friends.

1061
00:55:03,453 --> 00:55:06,133
Speaker 11: She makes sure DMV sticks to that sort of script.

1062
00:55:06,413 --> 00:55:08,933
Speaker 11: It's not subverting the formula. It's not trying something new

1063
00:55:09,013 --> 00:55:12,453
Speaker 11: or swing for the fences. Instead, it stays in its lane.

1064
00:55:12,493 --> 00:55:15,413
Speaker 11: A wacky premise drives each episode. In episode two, it's

1065
00:55:15,413 --> 00:55:18,293
Speaker 11: a broken air conditioner, while there's a will they weren't

1066
00:55:18,293 --> 00:55:20,973
Speaker 11: they subplot idling in the background. At the end of

1067
00:55:21,013 --> 00:55:23,853
Speaker 11: the episode, everything's resolved with a nice little life lesson

1068
00:55:24,253 --> 00:55:27,453
Speaker 11: and a touch of sentimentality there as well. Look, the

1069
00:55:27,453 --> 00:55:29,453
Speaker 11: show knows what it is. It's aiming to be one

1070
00:55:29,493 --> 00:55:32,173
Speaker 11: of those crowd pleasers and to that end, you know

1071
00:55:32,293 --> 00:55:35,493
Speaker 11: it passes the test with flying colors. These sort of

1072
00:55:35,493 --> 00:55:37,813
Speaker 11: sitcoms live or die based on the likability of that

1073
00:55:37,933 --> 00:55:41,133
Speaker 11: main cast. Do you want to spend time with these people?

1074
00:55:41,453 --> 00:55:43,573
Speaker 11: And despite a bit of a clunky start in episode one,

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Speaker 11: by episode two the show starting to coast the lead actor,

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00:55:47,213 --> 00:55:49,813
Speaker 11: Harriet Dyer. She holds a show together with her clumsy,

1077
00:55:49,853 --> 00:55:52,773
Speaker 11: adorable character Collette, who harbors a crush on the new

1078
00:55:52,773 --> 00:55:56,453
Speaker 11: guy Noah. This is played by local actor Alex Tarrant,

1079
00:55:56,653 --> 00:55:58,573
Speaker 11: and that sort of positioned as the Ross and Rachel

1080
00:55:58,653 --> 00:56:01,293
Speaker 11: or Jim and Pam of the show, even this early

1081
00:56:01,333 --> 00:56:03,613
Speaker 11: on two episodes in, they have that chemistry there to

1082
00:56:03,653 --> 00:56:05,733
Speaker 11: back that up. So that's a really good sight and

1083
00:56:05,853 --> 00:56:09,213
Speaker 11: encouraging at this early stage of the sitcom. Yeah, it

1084
00:56:09,213 --> 00:56:12,533
Speaker 11: has some good gags throughout. I'd say, you know, chuckles

1085
00:56:12,653 --> 00:56:15,733
Speaker 11: rather than lowells. And my favorite line was a disgruntled

1086
00:56:15,773 --> 00:56:18,853
Speaker 11: customer ranting at Noah, why are you talking pirate after

1087
00:56:18,893 --> 00:56:22,013
Speaker 11: hearing his Kiwi accent, So I kind of I appreciated that.

1088
00:56:23,453 --> 00:56:25,333
Speaker 11: After two orus old, you know, it's still in first gear,

1089
00:56:25,493 --> 00:56:27,373
Speaker 11: but it's starting to ramp up, and I think the

1090
00:56:27,413 --> 00:56:31,773
Speaker 11: potential is there for it to really start cruising along nicely.

1091
00:56:31,973 --> 00:56:35,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, nice, Okay, cool, that sounds great. That's DMV. That's

1092
00:56:35,373 --> 00:56:37,333
Speaker 3: on TV and Z Plus. Also on TV and Z

1093
00:56:37,493 --> 00:56:41,933
Speaker 3: Plus from tomorrow, a new adaptation of Lord of the Flies.

1094
00:56:42,733 --> 00:56:45,013
Speaker 11: Yes, and there's a lot of buzz around this around

1095
00:56:45,133 --> 00:56:48,453
Speaker 11: this adaptation of William Golding's fame nineteen fifty four novel,

1096
00:56:48,813 --> 00:56:53,133
Speaker 11: and rightfully so. This show is stunningly shot, spectacularly acted,

1097
00:56:53,453 --> 00:56:56,333
Speaker 11: and appropriately savage for a story that is essentially a

1098
00:56:56,373 --> 00:56:59,693
Speaker 11: metaphor about what happened when society's rules fall apart. A

1099
00:56:59,733 --> 00:57:01,893
Speaker 11: quick recap for those at the back. The show follows

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00:57:01,893 --> 00:57:04,573
Speaker 11: a plane full of UK schoolboys who crash land on

1101
00:57:04,573 --> 00:57:08,133
Speaker 11: a deserted island. Dults on the plane die in the crash,

1102
00:57:08,333 --> 00:57:11,653
Speaker 11: leaving the boys, all aged twelve and under, defend for themselves.

1103
00:57:12,573 --> 00:57:15,933
Speaker 11: At first, they organized, they band together, they elect the leader.

1104
00:57:15,973 --> 00:57:18,813
Speaker 11: They come up with a plan for survival, but disgruntlement

1105
00:57:18,893 --> 00:57:22,933
Speaker 11: quickly arises and they split into two factions, one society

1106
00:57:22,973 --> 00:57:26,573
Speaker 11: based and one more chaotic and violent. Now this series

1107
00:57:26,653 --> 00:57:28,773
Speaker 11: has the blessing of the Golden Estate and has been

1108
00:57:28,853 --> 00:57:32,133
Speaker 11: led by Jack Thorn, whose show Adolescence was one of

1109
00:57:32,213 --> 00:57:35,573
Speaker 11: last year's most talked about and critically acclaimed series. Lord

1110
00:57:35,573 --> 00:57:38,173
Speaker 11: of the Flies look set to follow that completely. It's

1111
00:57:38,173 --> 00:57:40,493
Speaker 11: been created for the BBC. It's a four part mini

1112
00:57:40,533 --> 00:57:43,173
Speaker 11: series and its big budget who was shot on location

1113
00:57:43,253 --> 00:57:46,133
Speaker 11: in Malaysia, where the beauty and danger of the island

1114
00:57:46,213 --> 00:57:50,173
Speaker 11: really comes to life. It is artfully made. It often

1115
00:57:50,253 --> 00:57:54,013
Speaker 11: reminded me of a nineties grungy music video with its

1116
00:57:54,053 --> 00:57:57,213
Speaker 11: startling close ups on the boys' faces, lingering shots of

1117
00:57:57,253 --> 00:58:00,413
Speaker 11: insects crawling on rotten fruit you know, or fishing fish

1118
00:58:00,453 --> 00:58:03,293
Speaker 11: eyed lenses, shots of the boys running through the jungle,

1119
00:58:03,373 --> 00:58:08,373
Speaker 11: shouting and screaming. It's just superb, especially when you consider,

1120
00:58:08,973 --> 00:58:10,893
Speaker 11: especially when you consider the whole cast of kids. You know,

1121
00:58:11,013 --> 00:58:15,613
Speaker 11: these are future stars in the making. It is meticulously paced,

1122
00:58:15,653 --> 00:58:18,853
Speaker 11: with a slow burning, escalating tension, which has helped along

1123
00:58:18,933 --> 00:58:24,013
Speaker 11: by handsome as menacing psycho inspired soundtrack. It is brilliant.

1124
00:58:24,213 --> 00:58:25,773
Speaker 11: You know, the story is seventy two years old at

1125
00:58:25,773 --> 00:58:28,173
Speaker 11: this point, we all know how it goes, but it's

1126
00:58:28,213 --> 00:58:31,213
Speaker 11: not lost any of its power or relevancy. I'd say

1127
00:58:31,213 --> 00:58:34,013
Speaker 11: Lord of the Flies is twenty twenty six's first true

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00:58:34,093 --> 00:58:36,893
Speaker 11: TV event, and this is simply as good as it gets.

1129
00:58:36,973 --> 00:58:39,893
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm really excited by that. You've got me pumped

1130
00:58:39,933 --> 00:58:41,813
Speaker 3: for that now, Carl, that's so good to hear. This

1131
00:58:41,893 --> 00:58:46,013
Speaker 3: is seventy two years old Lord of the Flies yep,

1132
00:58:46,133 --> 00:58:49,093
Speaker 3: four gold crazy right now? Yeah, yeah, that's nuts. I

1133
00:58:49,093 --> 00:58:51,973
Speaker 3: wouldn't have picked that, Okay, yeah, I suppose, Yeah, I

1134
00:58:52,013 --> 00:58:55,013
Speaker 3: guess me, and there you go. Makes sense. So Lord

1135
00:58:55,013 --> 00:58:58,813
Speaker 3: of the Flies is on TVNZ Plus from tomorrow. DMV

1136
00:58:59,093 --> 00:59:00,813
Speaker 3: was Carl's first pick, and of course you can hear

1137
00:59:00,853 --> 00:59:04,493
Speaker 3: more from Carl on his sub stack screen crack. Both

1138
00:59:04,533 --> 00:59:06,773
Speaker 3: of those shows will be up on the new Talks.

1139
00:59:06,773 --> 00:59:14,893
Speaker 3: He'd be website.

1140
00:59:12,173 --> 00:59:13,853
Speaker 4: Getting your weekends started.

1141
00:59:14,053 --> 00:59:18,133
Speaker 1: It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on news TALKSB.

1142
00:59:18,653 --> 00:59:23,853
Speaker 18: You have You're a pink pony girl and you dance

1143
00:59:23,933 --> 00:59:24,973
Speaker 18: at the club.

1144
00:59:25,613 --> 00:59:29,573
Speaker 2: Mama just having fun.

1145
00:59:30,053 --> 00:59:30,853
Speaker 6: On the stage and.

1146
00:59:32,373 --> 00:59:43,013
Speaker 18: It's were up, long, down out.

1147
00:59:43,653 --> 00:59:47,973
Speaker 3: Two contrasting musical events took place at opposing ends of

1148
00:59:48,013 --> 00:59:50,133
Speaker 3: the North Island this week. So In Auckland, Lane Way

1149
00:59:50,493 --> 00:59:54,493
Speaker 3: kicked off its touring run with a lineup boasting global

1150
00:59:54,613 --> 00:59:57,933
Speaker 3: names like pop superstar Chapel Rome and trendy New York

1151
00:59:58,213 --> 01:00:03,013
Speaker 3: up and comers Geese. In Wellington, meanwhile, Ossie cult figger

1152
01:00:03,093 --> 01:00:06,893
Speaker 3: Nick Cave and his longtime bandmates The Bad Seeds treated

1153
01:00:06,973 --> 01:00:10,693
Speaker 3: audience to two exclusive nights of performance alongside Key We

1154
01:00:10,733 --> 01:00:12,973
Speaker 3: sing a songwriter Elds Harding. It is fair to say

1155
01:00:14,173 --> 01:00:16,773
Speaker 3: the crowds at each of these events might have had

1156
01:00:16,813 --> 01:00:20,893
Speaker 3: slightly differing demographics, but our music reviewer was at both.

1157
01:00:21,213 --> 01:00:23,373
Speaker 3: He's going to join us before midday today to give

1158
01:00:23,453 --> 01:00:25,813
Speaker 3: us his thoughts on Lame Ways, Hits and Missus and

1159
01:00:25,813 --> 01:00:29,413
Speaker 3: how well Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds captured the

1160
01:00:29,493 --> 01:00:32,253
Speaker 3: capital this week as well, so really looking forward to that.

1161
01:00:32,453 --> 01:00:34,813
Speaker 3: I think you for your messages, Jack, have your trees

1162
01:00:34,853 --> 01:00:37,453
Speaker 3: recovered from the severe pruning they were subjected to more

1163
01:00:37,493 --> 01:00:39,813
Speaker 3: than a year ago. Have you recovered to ask Mark

1164
01:00:39,853 --> 01:00:42,453
Speaker 3: and Die. The good news is that, yes, my trees

1165
01:00:42,493 --> 01:00:45,333
Speaker 3: are slowly recovering. So there were three trees that had

1166
01:00:45,573 --> 01:00:49,853
Speaker 3: a brutal pruning. There was the plane tree that seems

1167
01:00:49,853 --> 01:00:51,853
Speaker 3: to be doing okay. There was the jack aranda that's

1168
01:00:51,893 --> 01:00:54,333
Speaker 3: doing very well. Jack Arrander's grow like weeds, and there

1169
01:00:54,413 --> 01:00:56,933
Speaker 3: was the PoTA Kawa. Of the three, the podakaw is

1170
01:00:56,933 --> 01:01:02,013
Speaker 3: definitely the slowest. I know. I've cared for it as

1171
01:01:02,013 --> 01:01:03,973
Speaker 3: best I can. I've gone and like you know, like

1172
01:01:04,013 --> 01:01:07,653
Speaker 3: fertilized all around the roots I've made. There are kind

1173
01:01:07,653 --> 01:01:10,373
Speaker 3: of some vines that have been going in from the

1174
01:01:10,413 --> 01:01:12,893
Speaker 3: neighbor's place. I've stripped all of those back. There is

1175
01:01:12,893 --> 01:01:14,813
Speaker 3: a bit of a little bit of new growth on

1176
01:01:14,853 --> 01:01:16,573
Speaker 3: the top of the perdiccama, but I think that's going

1177
01:01:16,613 --> 01:01:18,573
Speaker 3: to be the slowest. So anyway, yes, it's still a

1178
01:01:18,653 --> 01:01:21,413
Speaker 3: very painful subject in our house. I've had a couple

1179
01:01:21,453 --> 01:01:24,613
Speaker 3: of texs as well, just asking about the amazing sounding

1180
01:01:24,653 --> 01:01:27,613
Speaker 3: blueberry muffin recipe that we shared before ten o'clock this morning.

1181
01:01:27,653 --> 01:01:30,013
Speaker 3: That is going up on the newstalk's 'DB website. So

1182
01:01:30,053 --> 01:01:33,093
Speaker 3: the best way to find everything from our show, including

1183
01:01:33,133 --> 01:01:35,853
Speaker 3: that recipe is to go to NEWSTALKSHEDB, dot co dot

1184
01:01:35,933 --> 01:01:39,493
Speaker 3: nz ford slash jack. Next up, our texpert is in

1185
01:01:39,573 --> 01:01:41,493
Speaker 3: twenty six to eleven on Newstalks EDB.

1186
01:01:43,333 --> 01:01:47,453
Speaker 4: The Headlines and the Hard Questions. It's the Mic Asking Breakfast.

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01:01:47,533 --> 01:01:50,493
Speaker 19: The unemployment rate is Nicola willis one. It's minister is.

1188
01:01:50,493 --> 01:01:52,533
Speaker 19: Whether it's five point four is not what you wanted

1189
01:01:52,693 --> 01:01:53,093
Speaker 19: or needed?

1190
01:01:53,253 --> 01:01:56,293
Speaker 9: Well, no question, we want to see that number coming down.

1191
01:01:56,413 --> 01:01:59,733
Speaker 9: What is positive is the underlying signs that that is

1192
01:01:59,773 --> 01:02:03,893
Speaker 9: going to happen. And that's because employment growth is up considerably.

1193
01:02:03,933 --> 01:02:05,973
Speaker 10: It's up fifteen thousand jobs.

1194
01:02:06,373 --> 01:02:08,493
Speaker 19: Director, and no one would argue with you, but there

1195
01:02:08,493 --> 01:02:10,773
Speaker 19: are plenty of people who go, it's gone up full stop.

1196
01:02:10,853 --> 01:02:10,973
Speaker 13: Well.

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Speaker 9: The reason I care about those underlying indicators is because

1198
01:02:14,213 --> 01:02:16,413
Speaker 9: those are all the things that we need to see

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Speaker 9: in order to be confident that overall unemployment number will

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01:02:19,733 --> 01:02:20,973
Speaker 9: be coming down this year.

1201
01:02:21,493 --> 01:02:24,653
Speaker 19: Back Monday from six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

1202
01:02:24,773 --> 01:02:28,253
Speaker 19: the Defendant News Talk ZB twenty thirty minutes to eleven.

1203
01:02:28,253 --> 01:02:31,493
Speaker 3: You know, so much attention with AI, at least for

1204
01:02:31,573 --> 01:02:34,813
Speaker 3: us plebs, has been around the large language models, you know,

1205
01:02:34,893 --> 01:02:36,693
Speaker 3: like the likes of chat GPT, where you go on,

1206
01:02:36,813 --> 01:02:39,813
Speaker 3: you ask a question, it comes back. But actually the

1207
01:02:39,973 --> 01:02:43,053
Speaker 3: big developments on the AI front and the consumer facing

1208
01:02:43,053 --> 01:02:46,373
Speaker 3: AI front over the last few weeks and month are

1209
01:02:46,413 --> 01:02:49,373
Speaker 3: on the agentic coding side. What does that mean? That

1210
01:02:49,453 --> 01:02:52,293
Speaker 3: means the stuff where you can put in a command

1211
01:02:52,413 --> 01:02:55,853
Speaker 3: and basically it writes computer code, so even if you

1212
01:02:55,893 --> 01:02:59,373
Speaker 3: have zero computer coding knowledge, it's able to do it

1213
01:02:59,413 --> 01:03:02,293
Speaker 3: for you. Our textbook Paul Steinhaus's here, and a couple

1214
01:03:02,333 --> 01:03:05,333
Speaker 3: of new models this week from Anthropic and Open AI,

1215
01:03:06,053 --> 01:03:10,533
Speaker 3: which w suggest the agentic coding war is really heating up.

1216
01:03:11,093 --> 01:03:13,373
Speaker 20: Oh big time, Jack. I mean, we've got new models

1217
01:03:13,373 --> 01:03:16,773
Speaker 20: from both of those big players, and it's incredible just

1218
01:03:16,853 --> 01:03:20,053
Speaker 20: how good this is getting and how much information you

1219
01:03:20,093 --> 01:03:23,733
Speaker 20: can feed these models too. It's just it's wild.

1220
01:03:24,013 --> 01:03:24,933
Speaker 3: So how does it work?

1221
01:03:25,973 --> 01:03:28,013
Speaker 20: So they basically know everything there is to know about

1222
01:03:28,053 --> 01:03:31,653
Speaker 20: the programming languages, and then as you are giving it

1223
01:03:31,933 --> 01:03:34,213
Speaker 20: things you want it to do, it references all that

1224
01:03:34,293 --> 01:03:38,173
Speaker 20: information like autocomplete on steroids, right, it's basically the easiest

1225
01:03:38,173 --> 01:03:38,933
Speaker 20: way to think of it.

1226
01:03:39,013 --> 01:03:42,493
Speaker 3: So forever, I like, with someone who has zero knowledge

1227
01:03:42,533 --> 01:03:45,333
Speaker 3: of the coding languages, what could I do if I

1228
01:03:45,413 --> 01:03:48,573
Speaker 3: went on there today with these new models, what could

1229
01:03:48,653 --> 01:03:49,053
Speaker 3: I do?

1230
01:03:49,733 --> 01:03:51,573
Speaker 20: Yeah, you can go on too. So there's a few

1231
01:03:51,613 --> 01:03:54,053
Speaker 20: applications that have kind of built rappers around some of

1232
01:03:54,093 --> 01:03:56,333
Speaker 20: these things. So you can go onto websites like lovable

1233
01:03:56,453 --> 01:03:58,813
Speaker 20: or bolt and you honestly can give it anything. You

1234
01:03:58,813 --> 01:04:01,133
Speaker 20: can get it to give you a to do list,

1235
01:04:01,173 --> 01:04:03,933
Speaker 20: you can get it to give you a recipe with something.

1236
01:04:04,573 --> 01:04:06,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, a whole number of things.

1237
01:04:06,413 --> 01:04:08,533
Speaker 20: Really is quite impressive. And it just it churns away

1238
01:04:08,533 --> 01:04:10,893
Speaker 20: and it creates working things.

1239
01:04:11,093 --> 01:04:16,053
Speaker 3: Right, So it effectively can make a website or even

1240
01:04:16,093 --> 01:04:17,613
Speaker 3: make it like a kind of application.

1241
01:04:18,133 --> 01:04:19,893
Speaker 21: Oh yeah for sure, Yeah, yeah, for sure.

1242
01:04:19,933 --> 01:04:21,973
Speaker 20: And it builds the front end, it builds the back end,

1243
01:04:22,013 --> 01:04:22,533
Speaker 20: it does all of it.

1244
01:04:22,573 --> 01:04:22,933
Speaker 16: Now, the.

1245
01:04:24,533 --> 01:04:26,493
Speaker 20: Experts would say you need to be careful about is

1246
01:04:26,533 --> 01:04:28,853
Speaker 20: it doing the right thing right? But I think what's

1247
01:04:28,893 --> 01:04:32,253
Speaker 20: crazy is it it oftentimes does do the right thing.

1248
01:04:32,293 --> 01:04:33,133
Speaker 16: It's quite incredible.

1249
01:04:33,213 --> 01:04:36,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, Now the EU reckons that tech took is

1250
01:04:36,413 --> 01:04:37,573
Speaker 3: too addictive for kids.

1251
01:04:38,213 --> 01:04:40,893
Speaker 4: Yes, Well, it's because.

1252
01:04:41,053 --> 01:04:43,453
Speaker 20: You scroll, and you scroll and you scroll, and they

1253
01:04:43,493 --> 01:04:44,813
Speaker 20: say that that's not good.

1254
01:04:45,333 --> 01:04:46,013
Speaker 4: It's not good.

1255
01:04:46,613 --> 01:04:47,653
Speaker 6: And so they've now.

1256
01:04:47,893 --> 01:04:51,813
Speaker 20: Said that basically, these app makers need to do something

1257
01:04:51,853 --> 01:04:54,493
Speaker 20: to try to make the apps not as addictive. They

1258
01:04:54,493 --> 01:04:57,333
Speaker 20: have some ideas, but none of the ideas seem very good.

1259
01:04:57,413 --> 01:04:57,613
Speaker 4: Jack.

1260
01:04:57,653 --> 01:05:01,453
Speaker 20: They've considered adding things like screen time breaks, which can

1261
01:05:01,493 --> 01:05:03,133
Speaker 20: you imagine how that might work? But so the app

1262
01:05:03,173 --> 01:05:06,653
Speaker 20: just kind of goes dark or you get disabled.

1263
01:05:06,053 --> 01:05:09,533
Speaker 3: For a little bit of time. Do you use that?

1264
01:05:09,733 --> 01:05:10,733
Speaker 3: Would that be a bad thing?

1265
01:05:11,373 --> 01:05:15,413
Speaker 20: Well, I mean, I mean no, but is it really

1266
01:05:15,453 --> 01:05:18,653
Speaker 20: going to you know, prevent kids. It's going to give

1267
01:05:18,693 --> 01:05:20,413
Speaker 20: them a break, but it's not going to stop them

1268
01:05:20,413 --> 01:05:25,173
Speaker 20: from coming back, is it. They've talked about changing the algorithms, which.

1269
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Speaker 22: I mean, I guess that.

1270
01:05:26,613 --> 01:05:30,453
Speaker 20: I guess the the you know, the disabling one actually

1271
01:05:30,453 --> 01:05:33,293
Speaker 20: stops the kids from using it. The algorithm one kind

1272
01:05:33,293 --> 01:05:36,373
Speaker 20: of is what you're just going to create less interesting contents?

1273
01:05:36,453 --> 01:05:37,413
Speaker 3: I guess maybe.

1274
01:05:37,813 --> 01:05:39,573
Speaker 20: But then the years also said should you just just

1275
01:05:40,333 --> 01:05:44,173
Speaker 20: disable the infinite scroll? The scroll is the scroll is

1276
01:05:44,493 --> 01:05:49,213
Speaker 20: too much, it's too addictive, and you know that the

1277
01:05:49,213 --> 01:05:52,173
Speaker 20: the kids should instead maybe have to go back and

1278
01:05:52,253 --> 01:05:54,853
Speaker 20: pick their next video. Yeah, but I don't know is

1279
01:05:54,893 --> 01:05:57,133
Speaker 20: that really going to make that one. I'm really not

1280
01:05:57,133 --> 01:05:58,773
Speaker 20: sure is going to make too much of a difference.

1281
01:05:59,733 --> 01:06:00,373
Speaker 4: But I don't know how.

1282
01:06:00,413 --> 01:06:02,453
Speaker 20: I don't know how mindless these kids are when they're

1283
01:06:02,493 --> 01:06:03,173
Speaker 20: on these apps.

1284
01:06:03,453 --> 01:06:04,213
Speaker 3: But I guess you.

1285
01:06:04,173 --> 01:06:07,253
Speaker 20: Can quite easily lose yourself in these holes, can't you.

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Speaker 20: And I guess that's what it's trying to stop.

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Speaker 16: But some of the contents good.

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Speaker 20: I've learned some things from the TikTok have you or

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Speaker 20: the Instagram reels?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well I don't have TikTok because I just think,

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01:06:22,413 --> 01:06:24,853
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm as susceptible as anyone to these things.

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01:06:24,893 --> 01:06:28,933
Speaker 3: I do find myself mindlessly scoling Instagram. I try not

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01:06:28,973 --> 01:06:31,013
Speaker 3: to get too deep on the reels, but then, like

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Speaker 3: sometimes my wife will, She'll do it for twenty minutes,

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01:06:33,613 --> 01:06:35,253
Speaker 3: half an hour, just so come and watch these. Come

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01:06:35,293 --> 01:06:37,253
Speaker 3: watch these, and like, oh, this is gonna be stupid,

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Speaker 3: and then I'll go and sit down. And I do

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Speaker 3: find them very funny. There are lots of funny things. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: there are lots of funny things. But you know, I'm

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01:06:43,533 --> 01:06:46,373
Speaker 3: not being pulled into the more harmful stuff yet.

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Speaker 20: I don't think no, no, and look that there's the problem, right,

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Speaker 20: and I think that you know, maybe these breaks, especially

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01:06:51,973 --> 01:06:54,213
Speaker 20: if you know later at night when kids are trying

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01:06:54,213 --> 01:06:56,333
Speaker 20: to go to bed, maybe that's a good thing. But

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01:06:56,413 --> 01:06:58,413
Speaker 20: I mean, look, and to be real, we've talked a

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01:06:58,413 --> 01:07:01,653
Speaker 20: lot about some of these EU kind of mandates that

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01:07:01,653 --> 01:07:04,093
Speaker 20: they've put on the tech companies over the years, even

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01:07:04,133 --> 01:07:08,013
Speaker 20: including being forced to use the USB se plug. Yeah,

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01:07:08,053 --> 01:07:11,493
Speaker 20: and it's incredible that the ripple effect that it has

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01:07:12,373 --> 01:07:15,213
Speaker 20: because these these these app makers don't want to create

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Speaker 20: special software for certain parts of the world, right, So

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Speaker 20: something that the EU is kind of pushing on may

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01:07:20,213 --> 01:07:22,693
Speaker 20: actually end up forcing TikTok changes across the rest of

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Speaker 20: the world too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Right, it'll be interesting to see. Thanks, Paul, take care.

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Speaker 3: That's our texpert. Paul stenhas. In a couple of minutes,

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01:07:29,533 --> 01:07:32,733
Speaker 3: our Master of Wine has chosen his best buy for

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Speaker 3: us this week, so he's going to share that with us.

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Speaker 3: It's a converts tremeanor this week, so he's gonna give

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Speaker 3: us all the details on that. And then before eleven

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Speaker 3: o'clock we are in the garden with some new stuff

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Speaker 3: to plant at your place. Looking forward to that too.

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Speaker 3: Eighteen to eleven on News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend than with

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Speaker 1: Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team News TALKSB.

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Speaker 3: Now it is quarter to eleven and our master of Wine,

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Speaker 3: Cameron Douglas is here this morning.

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Speaker 4: Hey Cameron, good morning, Nice to be back to.

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Speaker 3: Be chatting with you. So you've chosen for us A

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Speaker 3: Hunter's Giverts Tremina twenty twenty five is the vintage from Marlborough.

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Speaker 3: Let's start off with that beautiful word, gaverts tremina. What

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01:08:17,333 --> 01:08:20,013
Speaker 3: does gaverts tremina mean? Where does it? Presume it's German?

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01:08:20,053 --> 01:08:21,613
Speaker 3: But where where does it come from?

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Speaker 14: It absolutely is German and congratulations I'm announcing it correctly.

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Speaker 14: So gavertse tremina is actually made up of three different words,

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01:08:30,293 --> 01:08:33,613
Speaker 14: and it's all sort of thought about in reverse order.

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Speaker 14: So er at the end of any German word means

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01:08:36,533 --> 01:08:39,933
Speaker 14: from And there was a little village in northern Italy

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01:08:40,013 --> 01:08:45,813
Speaker 14: called Traman, and if you when the Germans cultivated the

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01:08:45,893 --> 01:08:50,373
Speaker 14: Traman grape variety into Germany, it delivered a very spicy,

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01:08:50,453 --> 01:08:54,413
Speaker 14: herbaceous style. So giverts is a German word meaning spicy

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01:08:54,573 --> 01:08:58,773
Speaker 14: or herbaceous. So from traman spicy, herbaceous, and we say

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Speaker 14: it in English the other way around, Giverts Tremina.

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01:09:02,133 --> 01:09:04,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, nice, Oh that makes sense. That's great. A little

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01:09:04,773 --> 01:09:07,493
Speaker 3: bit of etomology for us. All love this morning, Kevin

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01:09:07,573 --> 01:09:09,693
Speaker 3: much appreciate us. So tell us about the wine itself.

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Speaker 14: Well, Dvershamena is always a beautifully or should be a

1349
01:09:13,733 --> 01:09:16,933
Speaker 14: beautifully fragrant wine, and that's what this one is. And

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01:09:16,973 --> 01:09:21,853
Speaker 14: it's got wonderful scents and flavors of pomaceous fruits, very

1351
01:09:22,013 --> 01:09:25,853
Speaker 14: very ripe, so all of the apple, pear and pepper.

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01:09:26,013 --> 01:09:29,053
Speaker 14: This one has a little a mandarin orange peel character

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01:09:29,133 --> 01:09:31,973
Speaker 14: to it. And that spiciness that we smell on the

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01:09:32,013 --> 01:09:36,173
Speaker 14: nose and the palette is part of the skin contact

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01:09:36,253 --> 01:09:39,333
Speaker 14: component of the wine that's teased out by the wine

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01:09:39,333 --> 01:09:42,893
Speaker 14: maker and always has a little bit more alcohol, but

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Speaker 14: that carries all of those flavors in a delicious acid

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01:09:46,453 --> 01:09:49,933
Speaker 14: line as well, vibrant and youthful, and the wine that

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01:09:49,973 --> 01:09:52,293
Speaker 14: you can buy and open today and is always good

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Speaker 14: with food.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, fantastic. I'm a bit of a Givertz fan

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Speaker 3: for whatever reason. I think it's that, you know, maybe

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Speaker 3: the fragrant kind of nature of it, but yeah, I'm

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Speaker 3: a big fan. So the twenty twenty five vintage in

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01:10:05,933 --> 01:10:08,933
Speaker 3: MARLB had a hot December, right, and then it got

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01:10:09,013 --> 01:10:09,533
Speaker 3: quite cool.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: It exemplified this idea of diurnal shifts, so cool nights,

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01:10:16,053 --> 01:10:20,093
Speaker 14: warm days, typical summer, not without its rain, of course,

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Speaker 14: but that that happens more often than not these days

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Speaker 14: with New Zealand. But it yielded above average crop level,

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01:10:28,013 --> 01:10:31,093
Speaker 14: so it was a bumper crop, a return to what

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01:10:31,133 --> 01:10:37,053
Speaker 14: they call normal, and it produced enough wine packages that

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01:10:37,253 --> 01:10:41,693
Speaker 14: they could really get their teeth into massaging these wines

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01:10:41,733 --> 01:10:44,813
Speaker 14: into the right styles, especially Gaverse Tremina.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Nice. So yeah, so the vintage was perfect. What would

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01:10:48,413 --> 01:10:49,813
Speaker 3: you match the Scaverts with.

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Speaker 14: Well, often on a Friday night, sometimes on a Saturday night,

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Speaker 14: my wife and I have what's called French takeouts, and

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01:10:57,213 --> 01:11:01,853
Speaker 14: that is simply cheese with a bottle of wine for dinner.

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01:11:02,013 --> 01:11:03,493
Speaker 3: You can't you can't beat it, can you.

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01:11:05,533 --> 01:11:07,853
Speaker 14: So if you're going for that sort of wash, rind,

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01:11:07,933 --> 01:11:12,173
Speaker 14: stinky cheese, monster or aplice is my favorite with Gaverse Romina.

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01:11:12,253 --> 01:11:16,533
Speaker 14: If you're more of a soft ripened cheese fan, then

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Speaker 14: there's what's called the King of Cheeses. Which is a

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01:11:19,493 --> 01:11:24,053
Speaker 14: raw cow's milk cheese called greed demo, or if you're

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01:11:24,053 --> 01:11:26,413
Speaker 14: a blue cheese fan, just go for the basic roque

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01:11:26,413 --> 01:11:30,813
Speaker 14: foot or gorgonzola or something delicious from Capiti and an

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Speaker 14: actual dish. If you are a chef in the kitchen

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Speaker 14: at home, go for a Tajine style dish, which is

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Speaker 14: essentially a savory stew, and then you add the protein

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Speaker 14: that you like to weave in an out of all

1394
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Speaker 14: of these exotic spices like coomeen and nutmeg and to

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01:11:47,253 --> 01:11:52,853
Speaker 14: American ginger and allspice. So Gaverse Romena just loves food

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Speaker 14: like that.

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Speaker 3: Oh fantastic, sounds sounds so good. Okay, So you picked

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Speaker 3: for us this week as a Hunter's Gavertztramina Marlboro is

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Speaker 3: the region, twenty twenty five is the vintage. All the

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01:12:02,853 --> 01:12:05,213
Speaker 3: details are on the news dogs. He'd be website after

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01:12:05,253 --> 01:12:07,893
Speaker 3: eleven o'clock. On news talks, he'd be We're going to

1402
01:12:07,933 --> 01:12:10,453
Speaker 3: look at a new study ranking the happiest jobs in

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01:12:10,453 --> 01:12:14,413
Speaker 3: New Zealand tell you what, Actually, Cameron Douglas as a

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01:12:14,453 --> 01:12:16,333
Speaker 3: master of wine, he might be right up there. I

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01:12:16,333 --> 01:12:19,053
Speaker 3: reckon there's having one of the happiest jobs in New Zealand.

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01:12:19,093 --> 01:12:22,053
Speaker 3: But it's a really interesting study and some of the jobs,

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01:12:22,133 --> 01:12:24,453
Speaker 3: honestly might surprise you. So it's not necessarily the more

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01:12:24,493 --> 01:12:26,333
Speaker 3: you earn, the happy you are. I think we know

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01:12:26,373 --> 01:12:28,253
Speaker 3: that by now, don't we. But yeah, some of the

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01:12:28,373 --> 01:12:30,133
Speaker 3: some of the gigs might surprise you. So we're going

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01:12:30,173 --> 01:12:32,093
Speaker 3: to take a closer look at that. After eleven o'clock

1412
01:12:32,093 --> 01:12:34,573
Speaker 3: this morning. Next up, we're in the garden. It's eleven

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01:12:34,613 --> 01:12:35,693
Speaker 3: to eleven on news talks.

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01:12:35,693 --> 01:12:39,133
Speaker 4: He'd be gardening. We're still sharp, charged for life.

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01:12:39,133 --> 01:12:43,013
Speaker 3: This summer nine to eleven re climb passed us in

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01:12:43,093 --> 01:12:44,453
Speaker 3: the garden for us this morning, diet I.

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Speaker 23: Rude, certainly in the garden. Good morning, are you well?

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01:12:48,653 --> 01:12:51,453
Speaker 3: I'm very well. Thank you. Pomegrant it is still doing well.

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01:12:51,613 --> 01:12:52,813
Speaker 3: That's the big news place.

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01:12:53,013 --> 01:12:56,213
Speaker 23: Look, yeah, I was just going to ask that because

1421
01:12:59,413 --> 01:12:59,933
Speaker 23: it's great.

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01:13:00,533 --> 01:13:02,173
Speaker 3: I had a being come around the other day and

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01:13:02,173 --> 01:13:04,333
Speaker 3: they're like they came around. The first thing they said was, oh,

1424
01:13:04,333 --> 01:13:05,893
Speaker 3: we heard you've got a pomegrant that would be on

1425
01:13:05,973 --> 01:13:07,573
Speaker 3: look at that before we look at anything else in

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01:13:07,653 --> 01:13:10,973
Speaker 3: the house. So it's yeah, I feel like the Dutch

1427
01:13:10,973 --> 01:13:13,133
Speaker 3: with some tulips back in the day. You know, saying

1428
01:13:13,173 --> 01:13:15,773
Speaker 3: and this is my you know, this is my son,

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01:13:15,893 --> 01:13:17,813
Speaker 3: this is my wife, These are my tulips, this is

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01:13:17,853 --> 01:13:20,853
Speaker 3: my son, this is my wife, this is my pomegranate.

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01:13:23,413 --> 01:13:26,933
Speaker 23: Anyway, anyway, but it was it was like that because

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01:13:26,933 --> 01:13:29,253
Speaker 23: a lot of people actually commented on that as well,

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01:13:29,293 --> 01:13:32,053
Speaker 23: because they're all having a go, and I think Libby

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01:13:32,133 --> 01:13:32,973
Speaker 23: might ever go as well.

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01:13:33,013 --> 01:13:35,253
Speaker 3: I reckon, I reckon, I reckon. We can bring around

1436
01:13:35,893 --> 01:13:38,613
Speaker 3: and yeah, if I'm trying something new in the garden,

1437
01:13:38,653 --> 01:13:39,733
Speaker 3: you are as well this week.

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01:13:40,653 --> 01:13:43,533
Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's exactly what it should be. And

1439
01:13:43,533 --> 01:13:46,373
Speaker 23: this is, I suppose what gardening is about, because if

1440
01:13:46,413 --> 01:13:48,453
Speaker 23: you go to the Potennic gardens or to other places,

1441
01:13:48,573 --> 01:13:52,213
Speaker 23: or for a walk around the neighborhood, you'll find a

1442
01:13:52,213 --> 01:13:55,333
Speaker 23: lot of people have got some seriously nice stuff growing.

1443
01:13:55,933 --> 01:13:59,013
Speaker 23: And and my my favorite thing is always say go

1444
01:13:59,053 --> 01:14:00,813
Speaker 23: and knock on the door and say excuse me, what

1445
01:14:00,933 --> 01:14:03,213
Speaker 23: is that and with a bit of like you end

1446
01:14:03,293 --> 01:14:04,373
Speaker 23: up with the cutting.

1447
01:14:04,333 --> 01:14:08,093
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah too, right, too, right, you've got yeah, sorry.

1448
01:14:08,613 --> 01:14:10,613
Speaker 23: Yeah, that's exactly what it's about, isn't it.

1449
01:14:10,933 --> 01:14:15,133
Speaker 3: Oh you've got a few little varietals to talk us through?

1450
01:14:16,053 --> 01:14:16,613
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do.

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01:14:16,973 --> 01:14:20,853
Speaker 23: We I had I've had a really old tunnel house

1452
01:14:21,013 --> 01:14:24,053
Speaker 23: that finally kind of didn't work anymore. I mean a

1453
01:14:24,093 --> 01:14:26,333
Speaker 23: bit of a bit of a big wind and everything

1454
01:14:26,333 --> 01:14:27,893
Speaker 23: went a bit down to gurgle. So I got a

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01:14:27,933 --> 01:14:30,733
Speaker 23: smaller one back and made it up. But that actually

1456
01:14:31,133 --> 01:14:34,533
Speaker 23: the funny thing with that was I got a new

1457
01:14:34,533 --> 01:14:37,293
Speaker 23: tunnel house that we actually put together probably the day

1458
01:14:37,333 --> 01:14:40,653
Speaker 23: before Christmas in the end, and that means everything was

1459
01:14:40,693 --> 01:14:43,373
Speaker 23: too late to put in there, you know, tomatoes and

1460
01:14:43,413 --> 01:14:47,253
Speaker 23: all that sort of stuff it. So I decided to

1461
01:14:47,333 --> 01:14:50,573
Speaker 23: have a look at what else I can use in

1462
01:14:50,613 --> 01:14:54,813
Speaker 23: that tunnel house that I like and that would still work,

1463
01:14:55,133 --> 01:14:58,973
Speaker 23: or I can experiment with how it's going to work

1464
01:14:59,173 --> 01:15:02,773
Speaker 23: between now and autumn and even winter. So I took

1465
01:15:02,813 --> 01:15:07,493
Speaker 23: a few things. I got an interesting thing from seeds,

1466
01:15:07,533 --> 01:15:11,293
Speaker 23: sort of a thing that goes online, and I thought, oh,

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01:15:11,333 --> 01:15:14,293
Speaker 23: here we go. I've got a snail vine. And I thought,

1468
01:15:14,853 --> 01:15:19,133
Speaker 23: snail vine that has always been one of my favorite

1469
01:15:19,253 --> 01:15:25,653
Speaker 23: looking things. An heirloom vine with high perfumed spiraled flowers

1470
01:15:25,693 --> 01:15:31,013
Speaker 23: and things like that, and it looks literally like snails

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01:15:31,933 --> 01:15:33,213
Speaker 23: in a purple flowers.

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Speaker 3: They're amazing. I look at the photo, does look incredible.

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Speaker 23: It is beautiful. So here comes the thing. They've got

1474
01:15:42,773 --> 01:15:46,333
Speaker 23: a wonderful fragrance, but they germinate usually very quickly when

1475
01:15:46,333 --> 01:15:48,693
Speaker 23: you put put the seeds in. So if I can

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01:15:48,773 --> 01:15:50,773
Speaker 23: do that now, as soon as I get those seeds

1477
01:15:50,813 --> 01:15:55,893
Speaker 23: which I have, I can literally start this up. And

1478
01:15:56,373 --> 01:15:59,293
Speaker 23: you get them in full sun, you have to place

1479
01:15:59,333 --> 01:16:01,413
Speaker 23: them and all that sort of stuff. They're good for

1480
01:16:01,933 --> 01:16:05,253
Speaker 23: warm areas in New Zealand, so the north especially, but

1481
01:16:05,453 --> 01:16:07,933
Speaker 23: even in the cooler regions you can have them. But

1482
01:16:08,013 --> 01:16:11,293
Speaker 23: then they work like annuals, not as perennials that come

1483
01:16:11,333 --> 01:16:13,573
Speaker 23: back time and time again. So what I think I

1484
01:16:13,573 --> 01:16:16,613
Speaker 23: should do is put a few out now in the

1485
01:16:16,653 --> 01:16:20,493
Speaker 23: tunnel house and keep a couple for a spring next year,

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01:16:20,693 --> 01:16:23,533
Speaker 23: you know what I mean. And that's so that's that's

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01:16:23,573 --> 01:16:25,773
Speaker 23: that's number one. I thought that was a clever ready

1488
01:16:25,813 --> 01:16:30,013
Speaker 23: and I love that one. The second one is Echinops

1489
01:16:30,693 --> 01:16:34,053
Speaker 23: the blue globe. Now you see the photograph there with.

1490
01:16:34,573 --> 01:16:36,773
Speaker 3: The blue it is amazing, Yes.

1491
01:16:36,733 --> 01:16:44,733
Speaker 23: God is, and reasonably sharp plants as well. Pollinators love

1492
01:16:44,813 --> 01:16:48,933
Speaker 23: them steel blue. If you want pollinators in your garden,

1493
01:16:49,293 --> 01:16:52,573
Speaker 23: get that there. And it doesn't look just great. You

1494
01:16:52,693 --> 01:16:55,893
Speaker 23: get everybody that needs to be in your garden attracted

1495
01:16:55,973 --> 01:17:00,013
Speaker 23: by that particular planty echinops. That's the one. So and

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01:17:00,053 --> 01:17:03,133
Speaker 23: then the third one that I found was another e word,

1497
01:17:03,653 --> 01:17:07,693
Speaker 23: echinasia luster. Now if you look at that, there are

1498
01:17:07,933 --> 01:17:12,573
Speaker 23: so many varieties of that leicester that that would be

1499
01:17:12,613 --> 01:17:15,893
Speaker 23: in itself a really nice thing to have in your

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01:17:15,933 --> 01:17:19,453
Speaker 23: garden around the lawn say, or maybe in the lawn

1501
01:17:19,693 --> 01:17:24,773
Speaker 23: bits and pieces large flowering ornamentals cone flowers as they

1502
01:17:24,773 --> 01:17:28,733
Speaker 23: are known as. And they're flowering the first year from seed.

1503
01:17:28,933 --> 01:17:32,973
Speaker 23: That's very very quick. But here comes the thing. If

1504
01:17:32,973 --> 01:17:35,973
Speaker 23: you have got some seeds, you do some stratifying. And

1505
01:17:36,053 --> 01:17:38,293
Speaker 23: I think that's a really nice word for people who

1506
01:17:38,333 --> 01:17:41,133
Speaker 23: are not quite sure about what it means. It means

1507
01:17:41,173 --> 01:17:43,493
Speaker 23: you're chilling your seeds in the fridge for a couple

1508
01:17:43,533 --> 01:17:47,253
Speaker 23: of weeks before you sew it. And and that chilling

1509
01:17:47,373 --> 01:17:49,493
Speaker 23: makes them go yep, I can do that.

1510
01:17:50,373 --> 01:17:55,053
Speaker 3: Last, but not least, the the cauliflower.

1511
01:17:54,653 --> 01:17:58,693
Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, green machrata lime green. It is the most

1512
01:17:58,813 --> 01:18:02,253
Speaker 23: beautiful cauliflower that you can get. Nice change from the

1513
01:18:02,293 --> 01:18:06,053
Speaker 23: typical white ones. Of course, vigorous plant. And here you go.

1514
01:18:06,453 --> 01:18:09,293
Speaker 23: They give you one to one and a half kilo

1515
01:18:09,613 --> 01:18:13,773
Speaker 23: of weight, just like that, So don't overlook the don't

1516
01:18:13,853 --> 01:18:17,013
Speaker 23: overcook them because you retain you. You don't get the

1517
01:18:17,013 --> 01:18:19,893
Speaker 23: green color. Big do it, do it, do it as

1518
01:18:19,973 --> 01:18:22,293
Speaker 23: quick as you can. But the cool thing is these

1519
01:18:22,293 --> 01:18:24,693
Speaker 23: things you can do in autumn and that's the thing

1520
01:18:24,733 --> 01:18:24,973
Speaker 23: to do.

1521
01:18:25,133 --> 01:18:27,093
Speaker 3: Thank you. Those will all be on the news Dogs.

1522
01:18:27,133 --> 01:18:28,573
Speaker 3: It'd be website.

1523
01:18:29,813 --> 01:18:33,653
Speaker 1: Saturday morning with Jack tam keeping the conversation going through

1524
01:18:33,653 --> 01:18:34,773
Speaker 1: the weekend US.

1525
01:18:34,733 --> 01:18:35,293
Speaker 2: Talk it be.

1526
01:19:00,013 --> 01:19:03,213
Speaker 3: Yoda, you're with Jactaim on news Dogs'd be so this

1527
01:19:03,653 --> 01:19:09,013
Speaker 3: time tomorrow, New Zealand's first big hope in the Winter

1528
01:19:09,093 --> 01:19:12,133
Speaker 3: Olympics will have had their final run. Seven thirty am

1529
01:19:12,453 --> 01:19:16,333
Speaker 3: is the first the first run in the Men's Big

1530
01:19:16,453 --> 01:19:20,493
Speaker 3: Yer Final, the men's Bigger snowboarding final. They have how

1531
01:19:20,493 --> 01:19:24,213
Speaker 3: many runs they have just two or three three three

1532
01:19:24,293 --> 01:19:26,133
Speaker 3: runs I think in the final. So seven thirty am

1533
01:19:26,173 --> 01:19:28,733
Speaker 3: they will go through seven fifty three and then eight

1534
01:19:28,813 --> 01:19:33,333
Speaker 3: seventeen am tomorrow morning. You've got Rocker Jamison, Dane Menzies

1535
01:19:33,613 --> 01:19:36,373
Speaker 3: and Lyon Farrell competing in that for New Zealand. Lion

1536
01:19:36,413 --> 01:19:38,933
Speaker 3: Farrell's got that amazing story. He was i think born

1537
01:19:39,013 --> 01:19:42,813
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles, raised in Hawaii. I'm pretty sure his

1538
01:19:43,013 --> 01:19:45,093
Speaker 3: dad is a key with one of his parents is

1539
01:19:45,093 --> 01:19:48,133
Speaker 3: a key to anyway. So that's how he that's how

1540
01:19:48,173 --> 01:19:51,053
Speaker 3: he qualifies for our team. And at twenty seven, he's

1541
01:19:51,093 --> 01:19:54,173
Speaker 3: the oldest of the New Zealand team at the Winter Olympics.

1542
01:19:54,173 --> 01:19:55,813
Speaker 3: It does sort of er young when you have the

1543
01:19:55,813 --> 01:19:58,693
Speaker 3: bigger events, doesn't it. Maybe it's that whole thing about

1544
01:19:58,733 --> 01:19:59,493
Speaker 3: having your.

1545
01:19:59,653 --> 01:20:03,493
Speaker 24: Whatever whatever cortex needs to be developed in order to

1546
01:20:03,493 --> 01:20:05,853
Speaker 24: get an appetite for risk or avoid an appetite for

1547
01:20:05,933 --> 01:20:08,413
Speaker 24: risk that you need to have in place before you

1548
01:20:08,413 --> 01:20:11,293
Speaker 24: throw yourself fifteen or twenty meters into the.

1549
01:20:11,213 --> 01:20:13,613
Speaker 3: Anyway, seven thirty eight, and that's time to make sure

1550
01:20:13,653 --> 01:20:15,653
Speaker 3: you've set your alarm tomorrow morning as we follow that

1551
01:20:15,933 --> 01:20:19,133
Speaker 3: first final for keepy competitors in the Winter Olympics. Right now,

1552
01:20:19,173 --> 01:20:23,773
Speaker 3: it is eight minutes past eleven. Jack Indogle, Southern from

1553
01:20:23,893 --> 01:20:25,893
Speaker 3: Umbrella well Being is here with us this morning with

1554
01:20:25,973 --> 01:20:30,013
Speaker 3: some fascinating research looking at how people from various different

1555
01:20:30,093 --> 01:20:32,973
Speaker 3: jobs rate their well being and we can kind of

1556
01:20:33,053 --> 01:20:37,253
Speaker 3: narrow down the happiest jobs in New Zealand Google Cure.

1557
01:20:37,373 --> 01:20:37,613
Speaker 20: Jack.

1558
01:20:37,693 --> 01:20:42,213
Speaker 7: Yes, indeed, this has looked at how well people rated

1559
01:20:42,253 --> 01:20:48,573
Speaker 7: their life satisfaction and their job satisfaction and look, the

1560
01:20:48,693 --> 01:20:53,173
Speaker 7: general trend is, perhaps not unsurprisingly, the more money that

1561
01:20:53,253 --> 01:20:56,253
Speaker 7: you make, the more satisfied with life you tend to be.

1562
01:20:56,573 --> 01:21:00,333
Speaker 7: So you know, if you're earning two hundred thousand dollars

1563
01:21:00,373 --> 01:21:02,333
Speaker 7: on average, you're going to be happier than if you're

1564
01:21:02,373 --> 01:21:07,933
Speaker 7: earning fifty thousand dollars. I'm afraid to say, but yeah,

1565
01:21:07,933 --> 01:21:10,733
Speaker 7: there are some there are some that that buck that trend.

1566
01:21:12,133 --> 01:21:17,453
Speaker 7: In fact, they've found that teachers, police, firefighters, defense force

1567
01:21:18,053 --> 01:21:23,253
Speaker 7: or amongst the happiest or the most satisfied, sorry with

1568
01:21:23,373 --> 01:21:28,733
Speaker 7: their life. And yeah, yeah, and they weren't necessary they

1569
01:21:28,813 --> 01:21:31,213
Speaker 7: bucked the trender because they're not necessary people going. Teachers

1570
01:21:31,253 --> 01:21:33,293
Speaker 7: don't get paid that much and that and that's true,

1571
01:21:33,813 --> 01:21:37,493
Speaker 7: so they weren't necessarily the highest paid jobs. But they

1572
01:21:37,533 --> 01:21:41,453
Speaker 7: came out as some of the most satisfied with their life.

1573
01:21:42,733 --> 01:21:44,453
Speaker 7: You know, they had a they had a moderate amount

1574
01:21:44,493 --> 01:21:48,293
Speaker 7: of income, but but but they reported their happiest with

1575
01:21:48,333 --> 01:21:48,933
Speaker 7: their lives.

1576
01:21:49,253 --> 01:21:53,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose that they it's a question of purpose

1577
01:21:53,213 --> 01:21:53,733
Speaker 3: and meaning.

1578
01:21:54,773 --> 01:21:57,773
Speaker 7: Yeah, you might think that a I think that's that

1579
01:21:57,533 --> 01:22:01,013
Speaker 7: that people fit and those professions feel that they are,

1580
01:22:01,333 --> 01:22:03,853
Speaker 7: you know, giving something back to society or making a

1581
01:22:03,853 --> 01:22:07,853
Speaker 7: real different, so so that that that might be part

1582
01:22:07,893 --> 01:22:12,413
Speaker 7: of it. That that actually and people farmers too, except

1583
01:22:12,413 --> 01:22:16,813
Speaker 7: for dairy farmers, other farmers and quotes that they were

1584
01:22:16,853 --> 01:22:20,053
Speaker 7: also pretty happy. I also, just on a quick tangent,

1585
01:22:20,133 --> 01:22:23,413
Speaker 7: I tried to look up some maliers and wine tasters.

1586
01:22:24,453 --> 01:22:25,213
Speaker 3: During the news.

1587
01:22:25,413 --> 01:22:27,893
Speaker 7: I couldn't fight. They weren't listed in a separate group.

1588
01:22:28,453 --> 01:22:30,373
Speaker 7: I'm afraid probably.

1589
01:22:30,053 --> 01:22:35,013
Speaker 3: A huge numbers of somalis and wine in New Zealand.

1590
01:22:35,933 --> 01:22:39,093
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think they grouped them under with waiters, which

1591
01:22:39,133 --> 01:22:42,613
Speaker 7: I think is slightly they might be slightly offended by that.

1592
01:22:42,773 --> 01:22:45,253
Speaker 7: And and and waiters tended not to have all that

1593
01:22:45,333 --> 01:22:49,253
Speaker 7: much life satisfaction or lower levels of life satisfaction anyway,

1594
01:22:49,253 --> 01:22:52,053
Speaker 7: So we couldn't even trying to look up like, you know,

1595
01:22:52,213 --> 01:22:55,173
Speaker 7: vineyard owners, I thought, or wine may but no, they

1596
01:22:55,213 --> 01:22:58,453
Speaker 7: couldn't find them. Other they're just coming under other horticultural

1597
01:22:58,653 --> 01:23:01,653
Speaker 7: workers unfortunately, so again probably not big enough.

1598
01:23:01,693 --> 01:23:06,213
Speaker 3: But yes, you wine makers, although you know there can

1599
01:23:06,253 --> 01:23:08,493
Speaker 3: be stress. You know a lot of those you know,

1600
01:23:08,613 --> 01:23:11,493
Speaker 3: something like that was very weather dependent, you know, and conditions, Yeah,

1601
01:23:11,653 --> 01:23:14,213
Speaker 3: the market depend You can you can imagine how when

1602
01:23:14,253 --> 01:23:16,013
Speaker 3: the times are good, they're great, and when the times

1603
01:23:16,013 --> 01:23:16,773
Speaker 3: are they can be.

1604
01:23:17,173 --> 01:23:19,333
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that that seemed to be the case for

1605
01:23:19,413 --> 01:23:22,813
Speaker 7: dairy farmers because other farmers and quotes they were quite

1606
01:23:22,893 --> 01:23:26,533
Speaker 7: high in life satisfaction, but dairy farmers were way down.

1607
01:23:26,933 --> 01:23:30,093
Speaker 7: Interesting and maybe yeah, maybe that's kind of that. Maybe

1608
01:23:30,133 --> 01:23:32,973
Speaker 7: they're more it's unrelenting dairy farming.

1609
01:23:32,813 --> 01:23:35,773
Speaker 3: Right, because it's relenting. Yeah, every day.

1610
01:23:35,573 --> 01:23:38,253
Speaker 7: You've got to be milking those bows. You know, you

1611
01:23:38,293 --> 01:23:42,533
Speaker 7: don't get a weekend, and maybe some bad bad vibes.

1612
01:23:42,533 --> 01:23:44,413
Speaker 3: Well, your bad vibes are also the money or at

1613
01:23:44,493 --> 01:23:46,573
Speaker 3: least in recent years of them is you know, not

1614
01:23:46,613 --> 01:23:48,413
Speaker 3: for every dairy farm of course, but I would have

1615
01:23:48,413 --> 01:23:51,653
Speaker 3: thought the returns are pretty good, you know, and maybe

1616
01:23:51,893 --> 01:23:54,813
Speaker 3: slightly less volatile than some other forms of farming.

1617
01:23:54,973 --> 01:23:55,813
Speaker 6: Yeah, you would have thought.

1618
01:23:56,133 --> 01:23:58,613
Speaker 7: But and there has been other research saying that that,

1619
01:23:58,933 --> 01:24:02,173
Speaker 7: you know, up to fifty percent of dairy farmers report

1620
01:24:02,733 --> 01:24:06,013
Speaker 7: mental health problems and so that so there there are

1621
01:24:06,013 --> 01:24:09,373
Speaker 7: a group that that's doing it tough even if the

1622
01:24:09,533 --> 01:24:12,053
Speaker 7: even if the incomes okay, they are still doing it

1623
01:24:12,093 --> 01:24:15,333
Speaker 7: tough mentally. So that's it's it's good to sort of

1624
01:24:15,333 --> 01:24:16,693
Speaker 7: think about that how we can help them.

1625
01:24:16,733 --> 01:24:20,493
Speaker 3: So in terms of professions where they're kind of buck

1626
01:24:20,573 --> 01:24:26,373
Speaker 3: the trend for more money meaning more satisfaction. Lawyers and

1627
01:24:26,453 --> 01:24:30,613
Speaker 3: medical professions professionals have lower levels of life satisfactions than

1628
01:24:30,613 --> 01:24:31,613
Speaker 3: their income would predict.

1629
01:24:32,253 --> 01:24:36,173
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, that's right. And I think maybe we could

1630
01:24:36,213 --> 01:24:39,053
Speaker 7: all kind of speculate. We hear lots about particularly doctors

1631
01:24:39,093 --> 01:24:42,853
Speaker 7: being burnt out on a huge workload they've had, they have,

1632
01:24:43,453 --> 01:24:46,893
Speaker 7: and so that might be coming through here, and I

1633
01:24:46,893 --> 01:24:49,173
Speaker 7: think we could just speculate about lawyers. You know, people

1634
01:24:49,293 --> 01:24:51,173
Speaker 7: have their own opinions about lawyers and how good they

1635
01:24:51,213 --> 01:24:54,373
Speaker 7: are and what they're doing for society. We except when

1636
01:24:54,413 --> 01:24:57,093
Speaker 7: you need one and then you go, oh, they're great. Yeah,

1637
01:24:57,373 --> 01:24:59,213
Speaker 7: but maybe you know, maybe some of some of the

1638
01:24:59,253 --> 01:25:02,693
Speaker 7: content that lawyers are dealing with it makes their life

1639
01:25:03,293 --> 01:25:05,493
Speaker 7: not as satisfied. And I know, I know a few

1640
01:25:05,533 --> 01:25:08,333
Speaker 7: lawyers in Gosh, they were card you know, sad days, Sundays,

1641
01:25:08,413 --> 01:25:11,733
Speaker 7: late nights. Yeah, so maybe that's part as well as

1642
01:25:11,773 --> 01:25:14,053
Speaker 7: just as just the relentless hours of it.

1643
01:25:14,133 --> 01:25:15,253
Speaker 3: Is there a gender split?

1644
01:25:17,333 --> 01:25:23,453
Speaker 7: Ye, there tends to be that. Certainly, women who are

1645
01:25:23,493 --> 01:25:26,813
Speaker 7: in what you might call traditional sort of male dominated

1646
01:25:26,853 --> 01:25:30,373
Speaker 7: areas don't tend to be as happy, and they're happier

1647
01:25:30,853 --> 01:25:36,173
Speaker 7: in industries which are more female dominated, and things like

1648
01:25:36,253 --> 01:25:40,413
Speaker 7: sort of hospitality management is listed as one areas for

1649
01:25:40,613 --> 01:25:42,533
Speaker 7: where there are lots of women. So sort of the

1650
01:25:42,653 --> 01:25:44,293
Speaker 7: rule of thumb for women seems to be if you're

1651
01:25:44,333 --> 01:25:47,853
Speaker 7: around other women, you tend to have in your job,

1652
01:25:48,213 --> 01:25:50,773
Speaker 7: you tend to have a higher life satisfaction than if

1653
01:25:50,773 --> 01:25:52,573
Speaker 7: you are sort of not. There aren't so many of

1654
01:25:52,573 --> 01:25:54,973
Speaker 7: you around that, which makes some sense, I guess.

1655
01:25:54,973 --> 01:25:56,973
Speaker 3: And so who was kind of at the bottom.

1656
01:25:57,773 --> 01:26:02,893
Speaker 7: Not surprisingly cleaners, laundry workers, retail workers, those people who

1657
01:26:02,893 --> 01:26:05,933
Speaker 7: are just you know, who are vital to our economy

1658
01:26:05,933 --> 01:26:09,093
Speaker 7: and to our society functioning, but perhaps don't ever get

1659
01:26:09,093 --> 01:26:11,373
Speaker 7: the kudos, and they do tend to be at the

1660
01:26:11,373 --> 01:26:16,213
Speaker 7: lower way lower end of the pay scale, and and

1661
01:26:16,213 --> 01:26:18,013
Speaker 7: and but you know we all need them. We all

1662
01:26:18,013 --> 01:26:20,853
Speaker 7: want our offices cleaned, and you know, when you go

1663
01:26:20,893 --> 01:26:22,453
Speaker 7: to the shops, you want somebody to be able to

1664
01:26:22,453 --> 01:26:22,853
Speaker 7: serve you.

1665
01:26:23,053 --> 01:26:24,493
Speaker 3: So so they're super.

1666
01:26:24,453 --> 01:26:27,053
Speaker 7: Very useful role in our society, but they just don't

1667
01:26:27,053 --> 01:26:31,173
Speaker 7: get paid much. And and perhaps that gets that shines

1668
01:26:31,213 --> 01:26:32,053
Speaker 7: through in these results.

1669
01:26:32,493 --> 01:26:36,773
Speaker 3: What about journalists and psychologists? We how do we go doogle?

1670
01:26:37,173 --> 01:26:40,373
Speaker 7: Yeah, I had I had to dig because journalists and

1671
01:26:40,453 --> 01:26:43,373
Speaker 7: psychologists artists had separately. The journalists are grouped in with

1672
01:26:43,493 --> 01:26:46,453
Speaker 7: arts and media professionals, and the bad news is that

1673
01:26:46,533 --> 01:26:51,013
Speaker 7: a little lower than average for journalists, but psychologists are

1674
01:26:51,013 --> 01:26:56,693
Speaker 7: a little higher than average. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so

1675
01:26:57,253 --> 01:27:00,733
Speaker 7: but yes, that that that result. You know, as I said,

1676
01:27:00,733 --> 01:27:05,093
Speaker 7: they're mixed in with other other groups in terms of professionals.

1677
01:27:05,093 --> 01:27:07,853
Speaker 7: So you know, you might say that actually people that

1678
01:27:08,693 --> 01:27:12,093
Speaker 7: have radio shows on Saturday morning might be really really.

1679
01:27:11,853 --> 01:27:13,893
Speaker 3: Happy, of course super satisfied.

1680
01:27:14,053 --> 01:27:17,293
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, a smart sample size of one.

1681
01:27:17,173 --> 01:27:20,453
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean I think, yeah, I think the truth

1682
01:27:20,533 --> 01:27:23,253
Speaker 3: is that a lot of journos, you know that they

1683
01:27:23,733 --> 01:27:27,733
Speaker 3: I mean, the pay and journalism isn't what attracts most

1684
01:27:27,733 --> 01:27:29,733
Speaker 3: people to the industry, so I can I can kind

1685
01:27:29,733 --> 01:27:31,413
Speaker 3: of understand that, and you know, the lot of job

1686
01:27:31,453 --> 01:27:33,773
Speaker 3: pressures and industry pressures at the moments, and that kind

1687
01:27:33,773 --> 01:27:34,693
Speaker 3: of makes sense, I think.

1688
01:27:35,653 --> 01:27:35,853
Speaker 25: Yeah.

1689
01:27:35,853 --> 01:27:38,933
Speaker 7: And I was thinking about musicians as well too, and

1690
01:27:39,933 --> 01:27:43,413
Speaker 7: museos and artists are in that kind of group as well,

1691
01:27:43,453 --> 01:27:45,573
Speaker 7: and it's sort of like, actually, the money is probably

1692
01:27:45,573 --> 01:27:49,013
Speaker 7: not why why you're doing it. That there's other things

1693
01:27:49,013 --> 01:27:51,893
Speaker 7: that are that are motivating you to do that. And

1694
01:27:52,053 --> 01:27:55,773
Speaker 7: so for some of those people that their job satisfaction

1695
01:27:55,933 --> 01:27:58,893
Speaker 7: isn't super high, but their satisfaction with life is a

1696
01:27:58,933 --> 01:28:02,053
Speaker 7: bit higher than than perhaps will be predicted by how

1697
01:28:02,133 --> 01:28:02,973
Speaker 7: much money they're making.

1698
01:28:03,093 --> 01:28:06,253
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes said so why is this useful?

1699
01:28:07,333 --> 01:28:07,493
Speaker 13: Oh?

1700
01:28:07,533 --> 01:28:10,013
Speaker 7: Look, I think you know a bunch of reasons. Firstly,

1701
01:28:10,253 --> 01:28:13,333
Speaker 7: you know, as young people setting out in life and

1702
01:28:13,373 --> 01:28:15,573
Speaker 7: thinking about what career you want, you might want to

1703
01:28:16,213 --> 01:28:18,773
Speaker 7: take not be completely guided by this, but at least.

1704
01:28:18,653 --> 01:28:19,173
Speaker 3: Think about it.

1705
01:28:19,213 --> 01:28:21,373
Speaker 7: You know, where are we going? And gosh, you know,

1706
01:28:21,493 --> 01:28:24,973
Speaker 7: oh gosh, oh lawyers maybe not trying to steer anybody

1707
01:28:24,973 --> 01:28:27,173
Speaker 7: away from the law. Sorry, I am a failed law

1708
01:28:27,213 --> 01:28:27,813
Speaker 7: student myself.

1709
01:28:28,733 --> 01:28:28,973
Speaker 5: I did.

1710
01:28:31,173 --> 01:28:33,053
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right, I did three years and then I

1711
01:28:33,093 --> 01:28:35,293
Speaker 7: gave it away. I think this is for me. I

1712
01:28:35,333 --> 01:28:42,933
Speaker 7: do psychology. So yeah. Also for occupations you know, or

1713
01:28:43,013 --> 01:28:46,173
Speaker 7: employers themselves, like if you you know, if you run

1714
01:28:46,213 --> 01:28:49,733
Speaker 7: a cleaning company, you might sort of think, actually, in general,

1715
01:28:49,813 --> 01:28:51,733
Speaker 7: how people might not be super happy with life. What

1716
01:28:51,773 --> 01:28:53,653
Speaker 7: can we do to help help help them out, to

1717
01:28:53,693 --> 01:28:56,293
Speaker 7: help them feel a bit better, because they're probably then

1718
01:28:56,373 --> 01:28:58,053
Speaker 7: going to work better for you, if you want to

1719
01:28:58,093 --> 01:29:03,253
Speaker 7: be crassly capitalist about it. Happy workers are good workers.

1720
01:29:03,813 --> 01:29:05,413
Speaker 7: But just from a moral point of view too. You

1721
01:29:05,493 --> 01:29:07,413
Speaker 7: might want to say, hey, look, you know how people

1722
01:29:07,493 --> 01:29:09,173
Speaker 7: might be suffering and doing it hard. How can we

1723
01:29:09,213 --> 01:29:12,293
Speaker 7: make sure that they're valued and that we look after them.

1724
01:29:12,413 --> 01:29:15,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely, that's very interesting. Thank you so much.

1725
01:29:15,253 --> 01:29:17,133
Speaker 3: We'll put a link thanks to that research up on

1726
01:29:17,173 --> 01:29:18,533
Speaker 3: the website so everyone can have a bit of a

1727
01:29:18,573 --> 01:29:21,453
Speaker 3: look at their own industry. I really appreciate your time, Google,

1728
01:29:21,573 --> 01:29:24,773
Speaker 3: as always, Google Sutherland from Umbrella Wellbeing now before midday

1729
01:29:25,093 --> 01:29:27,453
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1730
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Speaker 3: He has been to a couple of very different gigs

1731
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Speaker 3: this week, Lane Way in Auckland and Nick Cave and

1732
01:29:33,493 --> 01:29:36,293
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1733
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Speaker 3: going to tell us about both of those shows. We've

1734
01:29:38,093 --> 01:29:40,373
Speaker 3: got your book picks for the week as well. And

1735
01:29:40,413 --> 01:29:43,813
Speaker 3: next up, our travel correspondent is in and he's focusing

1736
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Speaker 3: on somewhere rather close to home.

1737
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1739
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Speaker 3: Mike Yardley is our travel correspondent. Good morning sir, Good

1740
01:29:55,413 --> 01:29:55,933
Speaker 3: morning Jack.

1741
01:29:55,973 --> 01:30:00,173
Speaker 25: I was just reflecting on Google's observations about happy job

1742
01:30:00,413 --> 01:30:04,133
Speaker 25: factors and in terms of journalists I reckon that.

1743
01:30:06,613 --> 01:30:08,973
Speaker 3: It's going to say, do you complain right now? If

1744
01:30:09,013 --> 01:30:14,333
Speaker 3: you dere complain, If you say that your job in

1745
01:30:14,333 --> 01:30:17,493
Speaker 3: the world enjoying the finest things that some of the

1746
01:30:17,493 --> 01:30:20,093
Speaker 3: finest places have to offer, then there's going to be

1747
01:30:20,373 --> 01:30:21,693
Speaker 3: a tech machine is gonna light up.

1748
01:30:23,573 --> 01:30:25,733
Speaker 13: Yeah. I can well appreciate that check.

1749
01:30:25,773 --> 01:30:28,493
Speaker 25: But no, Philosophically, I was thinking, like, if I was

1750
01:30:28,533 --> 01:30:33,533
Speaker 25: thinking about entering journalism today, would most young journalists actually

1751
01:30:33,613 --> 01:30:38,973
Speaker 25: see the profession as simply now a gateway into higher

1752
01:30:39,013 --> 01:30:41,093
Speaker 25: paying PR and comms stops.

1753
01:30:41,773 --> 01:30:45,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a lot of them, well, I don't

1754
01:30:45,133 --> 01:30:47,493
Speaker 3: don't even know if they need the gateway, to be honest,

1755
01:30:47,813 --> 01:30:49,413
Speaker 3: if they just go straight in, you know, a lot

1756
01:30:49,413 --> 01:30:52,493
Speaker 3: of them would just stay study communications and go into

1757
01:30:52,733 --> 01:30:57,053
Speaker 3: PR these days. I mean, yeah, I was always attracted

1758
01:30:57,093 --> 01:30:59,173
Speaker 3: to it personally because I thought it would just be

1759
01:30:59,293 --> 01:31:02,133
Speaker 3: you'd have great work stories. You know, you'd meet interesting people,

1760
01:31:02,133 --> 01:31:04,493
Speaker 3: you experience amazing things. That would be it would be

1761
01:31:04,533 --> 01:31:06,933
Speaker 3: a wonderful way to kind of learn out the world.

1762
01:31:07,533 --> 01:31:10,733
Speaker 3: And you know, and I still think that probably attracts

1763
01:31:10,733 --> 01:31:13,373
Speaker 3: a lot of people to it. But you know, when

1764
01:31:13,413 --> 01:31:16,373
Speaker 3: you speak to young journalism students these days, a lot

1765
01:31:16,373 --> 01:31:18,733
Speaker 3: of them are pretty realistic about you know the fact

1766
01:31:18,773 --> 01:31:20,293
Speaker 3: that they might be a journalist for a couple of

1767
01:31:20,333 --> 01:31:22,893
Speaker 3: years if they're lucky, but if they even want to

1768
01:31:22,933 --> 01:31:25,653
Speaker 3: own a home, they are going to be straying in

1769
01:31:25,653 --> 01:31:27,693
Speaker 3: the industry for very long. You know. It's a bit

1770
01:31:27,733 --> 01:31:28,373
Speaker 3: of a show.

1771
01:31:29,253 --> 01:31:32,133
Speaker 25: Unless they aspire to be a future. Jack Tank Yes,

1772
01:31:32,693 --> 01:31:33,373
Speaker 25: of the industry.

1773
01:31:33,533 --> 01:31:35,493
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know about that. I don't know about that,

1774
01:31:35,533 --> 01:31:37,573
Speaker 3: but I know that. I mean that some of us

1775
01:31:37,573 --> 01:31:40,893
Speaker 3: are very fortunate, of course, but yeah, these sorts of

1776
01:31:40,973 --> 01:31:45,493
Speaker 3: opportunities are few and far between, sadly. So Yeah, anyway,

1777
01:31:45,493 --> 01:31:48,333
Speaker 3: we're focusing this morning on the great outdoors in the

1778
01:31:48,373 --> 01:31:51,653
Speaker 3: heartland mid Canterbury. So it's close to christ Church. But

1779
01:31:51,853 --> 01:31:55,253
Speaker 3: this is a bit of an underrated road trip sort

1780
01:31:55,253 --> 01:31:58,253
Speaker 3: of destination, don't you reckon totally?

1781
01:31:58,333 --> 01:32:01,413
Speaker 25: Jack, Yep, And it is primetime Self Tribe season, so

1782
01:32:01,453 --> 01:32:05,133
Speaker 25: I just thought is a boost of inspiration if you

1783
01:32:05,253 --> 01:32:07,933
Speaker 25: are sizing up a bit of a roady in the South.

1784
01:32:08,813 --> 01:32:12,533
Speaker 25: The mid Cannabary Heartland area really is a far less

1785
01:32:12,573 --> 01:32:17,253
Speaker 25: crowded but surprisingly good slice of the South Island.

1786
01:32:17,333 --> 01:32:20,013
Speaker 13: And it's because I reckon it's that.

1787
01:32:20,533 --> 01:32:25,253
Speaker 25: Intersection that topographical blend of where the planes meet the peaks,

1788
01:32:25,813 --> 01:32:30,773
Speaker 25: so you get such an incredible spoil about doorsy treats,

1789
01:32:31,373 --> 01:32:35,693
Speaker 25: and geographically, just think of it as being bounded by

1790
01:32:35,773 --> 01:32:38,413
Speaker 25: the Rakaiah and the rang of Tata rivers everything in

1791
01:32:38,453 --> 01:32:41,773
Speaker 25: between close to the mountains, and that's where to head.

1792
01:32:41,813 --> 01:32:45,253
Speaker 25: It's a very easy roady. They've got that inland scenic Root,

1793
01:32:45,293 --> 01:32:47,653
Speaker 25: as you will know, Jack, and it is just such

1794
01:32:47,733 --> 01:32:51,293
Speaker 25: a blissful way to hop scotch from one great sight

1795
01:32:51,373 --> 01:32:52,693
Speaker 25: and experience to the next.

1796
01:32:52,853 --> 01:32:54,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it really is. I've spent a lot of

1797
01:32:54,893 --> 01:32:57,213
Speaker 3: time in this part of the country. It certainly has

1798
01:32:57,253 --> 01:32:59,653
Speaker 3: its the charms. And I'll tell you what. Some of

1799
01:32:59,653 --> 01:33:01,853
Speaker 3: the attractions are just going from strength to strength. So

1800
01:33:02,013 --> 01:33:07,813
Speaker 3: in Methion, the all pookie thermal pools have transformed the

1801
01:33:07,853 --> 01:33:10,813
Speaker 3: town's pulling power right totally.

1802
01:33:10,893 --> 01:33:15,453
Speaker 25: It's hard to actually use the superlatives to describe just

1803
01:33:15,573 --> 01:33:19,133
Speaker 25: what a runaway success this complex has been. So it's

1804
01:33:19,173 --> 01:33:22,253
Speaker 25: three years old now, but I cannot think of many

1805
01:33:22,333 --> 01:33:27,293
Speaker 25: new attractions that have magnetized visitors to a destination quite

1806
01:33:27,533 --> 01:33:31,453
Speaker 25: like or Porky has. It hasn't been just a flash

1807
01:33:31,493 --> 01:33:34,293
Speaker 25: in the pan. I was in Methin a couple of

1808
01:33:34,333 --> 01:33:38,653
Speaker 25: weeks ago, and the complex is consistently sold out day

1809
01:33:38,733 --> 01:33:40,053
Speaker 25: after day after day.

1810
01:33:40,453 --> 01:33:42,613
Speaker 13: So yeah, it's absolutely recast.

1811
01:33:42,693 --> 01:33:45,333
Speaker 25: Methin is a year round destination, and I think it's

1812
01:33:45,373 --> 01:33:49,933
Speaker 25: all of the elemental design touches some really thoughtful ideas

1813
01:33:51,013 --> 01:33:53,693
Speaker 25: in the inception of the Pool's complex. They've got the

1814
01:33:53,733 --> 01:33:56,493
Speaker 25: swarm Up Bar, They've got lots of adult Tony experiences,

1815
01:33:56,533 --> 01:34:00,453
Speaker 25: and that has just anchored a Pooky's breakability as a

1816
01:34:00,493 --> 01:34:02,173
Speaker 25: premium well being experience.

1817
01:34:02,253 --> 01:34:03,573
Speaker 13: It really is just going off.

1818
01:34:03,813 --> 01:34:05,773
Speaker 3: Do you know I still haven't been there to my

1819
01:34:05,933 --> 01:34:09,133
Speaker 3: great game because the times that I've been around, I'll

1820
01:34:09,173 --> 01:34:12,653
Speaker 3: go and stop in it's been sold out. Yeah exactly, Yeah,

1821
01:34:12,693 --> 01:34:15,413
Speaker 3: but it doesn't it looks amazing. Yeah yeah, yeah, You've

1822
01:34:15,453 --> 01:34:16,653
Speaker 3: very much got to block your head. But I mean

1823
01:34:16,693 --> 01:34:18,413
Speaker 3: the dream is to come off the mountain, right, is

1824
01:34:18,453 --> 01:34:21,013
Speaker 3: to come off Mountahattan there and then have a good

1825
01:34:21,053 --> 01:34:24,173
Speaker 3: soak in the thermal pools there after. So close to Mevan,

1826
01:34:24,573 --> 01:34:25,973
Speaker 3: what about Washington Falls.

1827
01:34:27,293 --> 01:34:29,133
Speaker 25: Yeah, Well, if you want to work up a sweat

1828
01:34:29,173 --> 01:34:33,373
Speaker 25: before taking a rewarding dip Washpen Falls track, this is

1829
01:34:33,573 --> 01:34:37,613
Speaker 25: just across Rakai Gorge and wind Whistle and this would

1830
01:34:37,653 --> 01:34:39,813
Speaker 25: have to be one of Canterbury's favorite walks. Speak to

1831
01:34:39,853 --> 01:34:42,973
Speaker 25: any cantab and they will know about Washben. It's based

1832
01:34:43,013 --> 01:34:45,413
Speaker 25: on a private farm, so that is a point of

1833
01:34:45,453 --> 01:34:49,373
Speaker 25: difference because there's actually a ten dollar charge which is

1834
01:34:49,413 --> 01:34:53,053
Speaker 25: to help track upkeep. But wow, this two hour loop

1835
01:34:53,093 --> 01:34:56,293
Speaker 25: walk really is the stuff of wonder because you were

1836
01:34:56,333 --> 01:35:00,213
Speaker 25: walking around a volcanic canyon reserve, so you've got lots

1837
01:35:00,213 --> 01:35:05,453
Speaker 25: of g Nali Gorge's incredible foliage, a huge tract of

1838
01:35:05,573 --> 01:35:06,733
Speaker 25: Southern rated trees.

1839
01:35:06,813 --> 01:35:09,293
Speaker 13: One of the biggest tracks actually in the.

1840
01:35:09,253 --> 01:35:12,613
Speaker 25: South Island is here and then it all climaxes with

1841
01:35:12,733 --> 01:35:15,933
Speaker 25: the frothy washpen Force are very happy ending Jack.

1842
01:35:15,813 --> 01:35:19,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah nice. Why should you take the inland scenic

1843
01:35:19,533 --> 01:35:20,293
Speaker 3: route to Staveley?

1844
01:35:21,413 --> 01:35:21,613
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1845
01:35:21,653 --> 01:35:25,933
Speaker 25: Well from Rakaia Gorge, yep, this route just stitches together

1846
01:35:26,053 --> 01:35:29,533
Speaker 25: a crop of great stops, including one of my favorite

1847
01:35:29,573 --> 01:35:33,653
Speaker 25: villages in New Zealand, Staveley, very snug little hamlet and

1848
01:35:33,733 --> 01:35:36,693
Speaker 25: it's home to the Stavely store in cafe, which has

1849
01:35:36,693 --> 01:35:41,453
Speaker 25: been a fixture since the eighteen seventies. So back in

1850
01:35:41,493 --> 01:35:43,533
Speaker 25: the day this is where locals would go to higher

1851
01:35:43,533 --> 01:35:46,933
Speaker 25: skates for the ice rink just down the Road. The

1852
01:35:47,053 --> 01:35:50,733
Speaker 25: store is still such a treasure, so much history on

1853
01:35:50,813 --> 01:35:54,413
Speaker 25: its walls. They've got box about the store inside and

1854
01:35:54,533 --> 01:35:55,493
Speaker 25: it also doubles.

1855
01:35:55,893 --> 01:35:58,853
Speaker 13: It's such a cool little emporium for local artisans.

1856
01:35:59,333 --> 01:36:02,653
Speaker 25: So whether you're after local ceramics or soaps or maybe

1857
01:36:02,653 --> 01:36:06,733
Speaker 25: a mountain summer's wall blanket, this is where the head

1858
01:36:06,813 --> 01:36:09,973
Speaker 25: because it really is just gift where galore at the

1859
01:36:09,973 --> 01:36:11,333
Speaker 25: Stavery Store.

1860
01:36:10,933 --> 01:36:13,333
Speaker 3: Is the top twins Old home still there.

1861
01:36:14,853 --> 01:36:19,093
Speaker 25: Yes, probably about one hundred meters from the store, and

1862
01:36:19,253 --> 01:36:23,253
Speaker 25: the Stavely Boutique Lodge as it's now known, was previously

1863
01:36:23,893 --> 01:36:27,253
Speaker 25: Dame Linda's home for twelve years before they relocated a

1864
01:36:27,253 --> 01:36:30,613
Speaker 25: few years ago. But me it is the most incredible

1865
01:36:30,653 --> 01:36:35,773
Speaker 25: country mansion. It's officially a Dutch American barn style house

1866
01:36:36,853 --> 01:36:40,653
Speaker 25: and then you've got three acres of the most brilliantly

1867
01:36:41,413 --> 01:36:43,773
Speaker 25: manicured established gardens.

1868
01:36:44,173 --> 01:36:46,453
Speaker 13: So if you want to stay over in.

1869
01:36:46,213 --> 01:36:48,893
Speaker 25: The mid Cannibury Heartland area, the lodge is a really

1870
01:36:48,933 --> 01:36:52,293
Speaker 25: good option because it's in such easy reach to so

1871
01:36:52,373 --> 01:36:53,773
Speaker 25: many outdoorsy goodies.

1872
01:36:54,053 --> 01:36:57,053
Speaker 3: Yeah nice, and Sharpland Falls is nearby.

1873
01:36:56,733 --> 01:36:59,493
Speaker 13: Right, yeah, just behind Stapley.

1874
01:36:59,693 --> 01:37:02,213
Speaker 25: This trail is a family favorite, so it threads you

1875
01:37:02,293 --> 01:37:04,773
Speaker 25: through Native Bosh to the cascading waterfall in the Mount

1876
01:37:04,813 --> 01:37:08,853
Speaker 25: Summer's foothills. It is deliciously scenic. I just remember when

1877
01:37:08,973 --> 01:37:11,413
Speaker 25: I was last there. Right at the start of the track,

1878
01:37:11,453 --> 01:37:15,013
Speaker 25: you crossed this glorious bridge crossing of a gin clear stream.

1879
01:37:15,093 --> 01:37:18,493
Speaker 25: You just think to yourself, this is world class. You know,

1880
01:37:18,533 --> 01:37:21,573
Speaker 25: people would travel around the world for this, and the

1881
01:37:21,653 --> 01:37:24,653
Speaker 25: round trip only takes about an hour, and if you

1882
01:37:24,693 --> 01:37:28,213
Speaker 25: are feeling and trepid, there are other options. It is

1883
01:37:28,253 --> 01:37:32,413
Speaker 25: also the trailhead, one of the two for the longer

1884
01:37:32,533 --> 01:37:35,573
Speaker 25: multi day Mount Summer's track to the Pinnacles and Wormshead Creek,

1885
01:37:36,013 --> 01:37:38,373
Speaker 25: and also in the area the day long summer track

1886
01:37:38,773 --> 01:37:41,133
Speaker 25: up Mount Summers, which I wouldcall you knocked off some

1887
01:37:41,293 --> 01:37:41,693
Speaker 25: years ago.

1888
01:37:41,973 --> 01:37:42,173
Speaker 13: Jack.

1889
01:37:42,333 --> 01:37:48,213
Speaker 3: I've done it a couple of times. It's a couple

1890
01:37:48,213 --> 01:37:53,013
Speaker 3: of times. It's fantastic. It's really good. And on a

1891
01:37:53,053 --> 01:37:55,693
Speaker 3: clear day you get this prestige of alky from the

1892
01:37:55,693 --> 01:37:58,813
Speaker 3: top as well. So that's it's, you know, like you

1893
01:37:58,933 --> 01:38:01,013
Speaker 3: really you want your needs to be in good working order.

1894
01:38:01,053 --> 01:38:03,093
Speaker 3: In fact, I'm a big fan of having the polls

1895
01:38:03,093 --> 01:38:06,333
Speaker 3: for coming downhill these days, you know, So that's very

1896
01:38:06,693 --> 01:38:09,693
Speaker 3: but strongly strongly recommend the Mount Summer's track.

1897
01:38:09,733 --> 01:38:12,293
Speaker 13: So I'm glad to make seven hours return, is it?

1898
01:38:12,933 --> 01:38:13,773
Speaker 4: Ah?

1899
01:38:13,853 --> 01:38:16,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have thought so. Probably depends on your

1900
01:38:16,373 --> 01:38:20,213
Speaker 3: uphill fitness. But yeah, yeah about about even ours return.

1901
01:38:20,253 --> 01:38:22,453
Speaker 3: That makes sense, And that makes sense. Yeah, You've got

1902
01:38:22,493 --> 01:38:24,133
Speaker 3: to be careful with the weather and stuff because obviously

1903
01:38:24,133 --> 01:38:26,733
Speaker 3: conditions on the ground would be quite different to conditions

1904
01:38:26,733 --> 01:38:29,853
Speaker 3: on the summit. But yeah, it's yeah. So if you're

1905
01:38:29,853 --> 01:38:32,653
Speaker 3: doing yeah, if you're going through Big Canterbury, strongly recommend it.

1906
01:38:33,173 --> 01:38:35,293
Speaker 3: What about the Pakteti Conservation Reserve?

1907
01:38:36,653 --> 01:38:40,333
Speaker 25: Very enticing, loaded with temptation, So this is all easily

1908
01:38:40,413 --> 01:38:44,133
Speaker 25: accessed from Mount Summer's village. Definitely check out some of

1909
01:38:44,133 --> 01:38:47,613
Speaker 25: those gorgeous glacial form Hiland lakes like Emma and clear

1910
01:38:47,653 --> 01:38:50,373
Speaker 25: Water in the big Daddy Lake here, and it's just

1911
01:38:50,413 --> 01:38:55,373
Speaker 25: that mirror smooth reflective quality. It's quite something. Think Lake Matheson,

1912
01:38:55,493 --> 01:38:57,853
Speaker 25: you know over on the West coast. It's it's that good.

1913
01:38:58,253 --> 01:39:02,213
Speaker 25: And then another essential Mount Sunday, well known of course

1914
01:39:02,253 --> 01:39:05,013
Speaker 25: as one of the most remote Lord of the Rings locations.

1915
01:39:05,053 --> 01:39:08,773
Speaker 25: So many international tour still flock there because it was

1916
01:39:08,893 --> 01:39:13,293
Speaker 25: cast as Adorus in the Rings. It's also a very

1917
01:39:13,333 --> 01:39:15,373
Speaker 25: easy walk to the summit. In fact, it's only thirty

1918
01:39:15,373 --> 01:39:19,853
Speaker 25: minutes up. This sort of miniature mountain. Hollywood has long gone,

1919
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Speaker 25: but the setting is still truly cinematic. And by the way,

1920
01:39:23,573 --> 01:39:26,493
Speaker 25: I only discovered this recently. Mound Sunday got its name

1921
01:39:26,533 --> 01:39:30,413
Speaker 25: because boundary riders from the high Country stations would meet

1922
01:39:30,533 --> 01:39:34,373
Speaker 25: there on Sundays for a chin wag. But every day

1923
01:39:34,493 --> 01:39:36,093
Speaker 25: is a great day on Mound Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh so good. Oh it makes me envious. Actually,

1925
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Speaker 3: it's been a year or two since I've gone through

1926
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Speaker 3: Big Canterbary. I must return soon. Thank you so much, Mike.

1927
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Speaker 3: We'll put all of Mike's tips for tripping through mid

1928
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Speaker 3: Canterbury in the Highland there up on the news talks

1929
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Speaker 3: he'db website before midday. Our music reviewer is in his

1930
01:39:54,053 --> 01:39:57,253
Speaker 3: thoughts on Laneway and Nick Cave. We've got your book

1931
01:39:57,293 --> 01:39:59,693
Speaker 3: rehummendations for the weekend as well, but it's just gone

1932
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Speaker 3: eleven thirty, so I'll see what Jason Pine is planning

1933
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Speaker 3: for weekend sport next.

1934
01:40:08,813 --> 01:40:13,013
Speaker 1: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team

1935
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Speaker 1: on New Stalks.

1936
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Speaker 4: Edb sale.

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Speaker 6: Is coming. Please don't got part.

1938
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Speaker 26: Disappearing New Stalks EDB twenty six minutes to twelve Jason Pine,

1939
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Speaker 26: as well as for Weekend Sport this afternoon, Hello Jack.

1940
01:40:41,093 --> 01:40:43,533
Speaker 3: Very very interesting piece in the New Zealand Herald this

1941
01:40:43,573 --> 01:40:46,333
Speaker 3: morning from Shane Curry, trying to one pick all of

1942
01:40:46,333 --> 01:40:49,013
Speaker 3: the different sides of things with the Scott Robertson departure.

1943
01:40:49,093 --> 01:40:50,773
Speaker 3: So we're now what two or three, three or four

1944
01:40:50,813 --> 01:40:54,213
Speaker 3: weeks on now, Yeah, no, several weeks on, and he's

1945
01:40:54,213 --> 01:40:56,253
Speaker 3: got a little bit of some really interesting, little detailed

1946
01:40:56,253 --> 01:40:58,853
Speaker 3: points there. It's sort of like there's no one big

1947
01:40:58,933 --> 01:41:02,253
Speaker 3: thing that led to the NZUR decision, and no one

1948
01:41:02,333 --> 01:41:05,173
Speaker 3: big criticism of the way they went about it necessarily,

1949
01:41:05,453 --> 01:41:08,813
Speaker 3: But like I say, lots of different threads that he's

1950
01:41:08,893 --> 01:41:10,413
Speaker 3: kind of pieced together, and you're taking a closer look

1951
01:41:10,453 --> 01:41:11,133
Speaker 3: at that, Yeah, I am.

1952
01:41:11,173 --> 01:41:13,173
Speaker 21: You're looking forward to It's a great piece. I've read

1953
01:41:13,173 --> 01:41:15,093
Speaker 21: it a couple of times and the thing that stood

1954
01:41:15,133 --> 01:41:16,733
Speaker 21: out for me, the one part of it that stood

1955
01:41:16,733 --> 01:41:20,173
Speaker 21: out for me was a source saying that the Crusaders

1956
01:41:20,213 --> 01:41:23,893
Speaker 21: players and the All Blacks didn't recognize Razor as All

1957
01:41:23,933 --> 01:41:26,533
Speaker 21: Blacks coach. Yeah, in the same way they had as

1958
01:41:26,533 --> 01:41:27,533
Speaker 21: Crusaders coach.

1959
01:41:27,373 --> 01:41:29,253
Speaker 3: And they said that he sort of was always having

1960
01:41:29,293 --> 01:41:32,093
Speaker 3: more fun with the Crusaders and that maybe when you move,

1961
01:41:32,493 --> 01:41:34,293
Speaker 3: you know, up a couple of tears in terms of

1962
01:41:34,533 --> 01:41:39,973
Speaker 3: pressure and scrutiny, the pressure means that actually the fun disappears.

1963
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Speaker 21: Well that was a superpower though, right, was the way

1964
01:41:42,893 --> 01:41:45,973
Speaker 21: he was It was, I mean, who else break dancers?

1965
01:41:46,013 --> 01:41:48,573
Speaker 21: You know, that was his thing with the Crusaders and

1966
01:41:48,613 --> 01:41:51,653
Speaker 21: it clearly worked. Seven straight Super Rugby titles Don't Happen

1967
01:41:51,693 --> 01:41:55,373
Speaker 21: by accident record. Yeah, so why didn't the All Blacks

1968
01:41:55,413 --> 01:41:59,653
Speaker 21: get the razor that the Crusaders got? Yeah, that's a

1969
01:41:59,733 --> 01:42:02,493
Speaker 21: huge question for me. Was it the pressure that he

1970
01:42:02,613 --> 01:42:04,653
Speaker 21: felt and the way he thought about that pressure or

1971
01:42:04,773 --> 01:42:07,613
Speaker 21: was the All Blacks environment part of all this? It's

1972
01:42:07,653 --> 01:42:10,133
Speaker 21: it's a it's a fascinating part of part of this

1973
01:42:10,133 --> 01:42:10,853
Speaker 21: whole discussion.

1974
01:42:10,893 --> 01:42:13,333
Speaker 3: So all of those political dynamics too, And Shane gets

1975
01:42:13,333 --> 01:42:15,973
Speaker 3: into this and his piece that the Auckland rugby versus

1976
01:42:15,973 --> 01:42:18,813
Speaker 3: Canterbury rugby is another dynamic, isn't it. You know, the

1977
01:42:19,173 --> 01:42:22,653
Speaker 3: different relationships with different players and the All Backs can

1978
01:42:22,693 --> 01:42:25,733
Speaker 3: be kind of you know that there are cliques within

1979
01:42:26,053 --> 01:42:27,533
Speaker 3: Equy team. Of course, you know.

1980
01:42:28,653 --> 01:42:31,293
Speaker 21: Within every workplace, probably, you know, you tend to gravitate

1981
01:42:31,333 --> 01:42:34,653
Speaker 21: towards you know, people who are you know, but like yourself. Probably,

1982
01:42:34,693 --> 01:42:37,133
Speaker 21: And there's no surprise that you know that that Blues

1983
01:42:37,133 --> 01:42:39,093
Speaker 21: players and Crusader's players might hang out with one another

1984
01:42:39,173 --> 01:42:41,053
Speaker 21: inside an all Blacks environment. That's not that's not an

1985
01:42:41,133 --> 01:42:44,133
Speaker 21: unusual thing. So there's there's a lot a lot at

1986
01:42:44,173 --> 01:42:46,893
Speaker 21: play here. I'm keen to hear people's thoughts on it.

1987
01:42:46,933 --> 01:42:50,173
Speaker 21: But I got a young got a culture consultant in

1988
01:42:50,253 --> 01:42:53,853
Speaker 21: this afternoon. Yeah, and look he comes highly recommended. And

1989
01:42:53,893 --> 01:42:56,293
Speaker 21: I'm looking forward just to getting an idea of how

1990
01:42:56,493 --> 01:42:59,373
Speaker 21: how often does a person who seems very well credential

1991
01:42:59,413 --> 01:43:02,133
Speaker 21: for a job go into that job and then find

1992
01:43:02,133 --> 01:43:03,053
Speaker 21: it really challenging?

1993
01:43:03,253 --> 01:43:03,813
Speaker 3: Is that common?

1994
01:43:03,853 --> 01:43:05,693
Speaker 21: I feel like it would be, you know, in all

1995
01:43:05,693 --> 01:43:08,413
Speaker 21: walks of life. And because they say you go into

1996
01:43:08,413 --> 01:43:10,293
Speaker 21: these things with your eyes wide open. I'm sure Scott

1997
01:43:10,373 --> 01:43:12,053
Speaker 21: Robertson knew the All Blacks was a step up from

1998
01:43:12,053 --> 01:43:14,853
Speaker 21: the Crusaders? Did he just underestimate how big a step

1999
01:43:14,893 --> 01:43:15,173
Speaker 21: it was?

2000
01:43:15,453 --> 01:43:18,693
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, maybe, Oh that'd be fascinating. Yeah, keep counting

2001
01:43:18,733 --> 01:43:22,293
Speaker 3: down the ours now to our first well real medal

2002
01:43:22,333 --> 01:43:25,293
Speaker 3: prospects tomorrow morning, seven thirty. Yeah, how to kick off?

2003
01:43:25,373 --> 01:43:27,413
Speaker 21: Yeah, and the three of them all into the final

2004
01:43:27,533 --> 01:43:29,093
Speaker 21: when I don't think any of the three of them

2005
01:43:29,093 --> 01:43:30,733
Speaker 21: were ready expected to be Yeah.

2006
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Speaker 11: Yeah.

2007
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Speaker 21: And the Walcox is over there. She's a former Winter

2008
01:43:33,053 --> 01:43:35,213
Speaker 21: Olympian herself. She's going to join us for a chat

2009
01:43:35,413 --> 01:43:37,453
Speaker 21: and across the weekend today and tomorrow jack with Super

2010
01:43:37,493 --> 01:43:39,893
Speaker 21: Rugby just a weekend or a week away. We're going

2011
01:43:39,893 --> 01:43:42,933
Speaker 21: around all six Super Rugby franchises, three today, three tomorrow,

2012
01:43:42,973 --> 01:43:44,893
Speaker 21: catch up with their head coaches and see how they're

2013
01:43:44,893 --> 01:43:46,533
Speaker 21: traveling heading into twenty twenty six.

2014
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Speaker 3: Very good. I hope Fabian Hollands are right. I hope

2015
01:43:48,893 --> 01:43:50,373
Speaker 3: he is too. I hope he is too.

2016
01:43:51,093 --> 01:43:54,493
Speaker 21: He's very worrying yesterday. Yeah, I mean very ginger. You

2017
01:43:54,533 --> 01:43:56,173
Speaker 21: don't like you just hate to see it, don't you.

2018
01:43:56,253 --> 01:43:59,173
Speaker 21: But yeah, let's let's keep our fingers cross.

2019
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Speaker 3: For they all right looking forward to that, Thank you sir,

2020
01:44:00,413 --> 01:44:02,653
Speaker 3: and of course ilknft see five o'clock this evening. You

2021
01:44:02,733 --> 01:44:04,293
Speaker 3: have a call on that, no doubt. Yeah, Sydney, you

2022
01:44:04,373 --> 01:44:07,173
Speaker 3: see that'll be a good game. Yeah, it's gonna be wow. Yeah, Yeah,

2023
01:44:07,973 --> 01:44:09,813
Speaker 3: a tough game that he is hoping the can reverse

2024
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Speaker 3: their fortune of light. Looking forward to that. Thank you,

2025
01:44:11,573 --> 01:44:14,533
Speaker 3: Sir Jason Pine with us for weekend sport right after

2026
01:44:14,613 --> 01:44:17,973
Speaker 3: the midday news. Next up your book recommendations for this weekend.

2027
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Speaker 3: It's twenty three to twelve.

2028
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Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

2029
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Speaker 1: powered by News Talks.

2030
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Speaker 3: He'd be News Talks, He'd be twenty to twelve. Katherin Rain's,

2031
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Speaker 3: our book reviewer, has her two picks for us this weekend.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Catherine.

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Speaker 6: Morning Jack.

2034
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Speaker 3: So let us begin with Such a Perfect Family by

2035
01:44:39,493 --> 01:44:43,053
Speaker 3: Naralini Singh so Taviashvani.

2036
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Speaker 27: He's a good looking man and he loves to live

2037
01:44:46,333 --> 01:44:48,773
Speaker 27: the good life, and he likes older woman, especially older

2038
01:44:48,813 --> 01:44:52,533
Speaker 27: woman with money. And he's had three relationships that are

2039
01:44:52,573 --> 01:44:55,733
Speaker 27: like that, and he's got money and condos and other

2040
01:44:55,933 --> 01:44:59,173
Speaker 27: things from these relationships. But all these women have died.

2041
01:44:59,853 --> 01:45:03,813
Speaker 27: And despite this way he's got this dubious wealth, he

2042
01:45:03,893 --> 01:45:06,373
Speaker 27: loses it all at the gambling table just as quickly.

2043
01:45:06,493 --> 01:45:10,133
Speaker 27: So he's a flawed character, shall we say. And then

2044
01:45:10,173 --> 01:45:12,373
Speaker 27: he meets Dea and it's love at first sight and

2045
01:45:12,373 --> 01:45:15,013
Speaker 27: they have this Vegas wedding and they return to New Zealand,

2046
01:45:15,093 --> 01:45:19,933
Speaker 27: and this picture perfect future disappears almost as quickly when

2047
01:45:19,933 --> 01:45:22,573
Speaker 27: this house fire leaves her in a coma and her

2048
01:45:22,653 --> 01:45:25,333
Speaker 27: wealthy family nearly gone. So it's only Dea and her

2049
01:45:25,373 --> 01:45:28,373
Speaker 27: sister in law are the only survivors of what happens.

2050
01:45:28,733 --> 01:45:31,493
Speaker 27: And of course Tavishi comes to the logical suspect, especially

2051
01:45:31,493 --> 01:45:34,493
Speaker 27: when the cops start to look into his background in

2052
01:45:34,613 --> 01:45:38,613
Speaker 27: these wealthy women back in La and with the two

2053
01:45:38,613 --> 01:45:41,413
Speaker 27: women in comas, there's no one there to back up

2054
01:45:41,413 --> 01:45:44,533
Speaker 27: his story or tell his side, and he's trying to

2055
01:45:44,533 --> 01:45:48,253
Speaker 27: discover who, you know, who was behind this and who

2056
01:45:48,293 --> 01:45:50,813
Speaker 27: would commit such a crime. And so you alternate between

2057
01:45:51,733 --> 01:45:54,373
Speaker 27: what he's telling his point of view and this LA

2058
01:45:54,533 --> 01:45:58,453
Speaker 27: cop who is just absolutely obsessed with trying to find

2059
01:45:58,493 --> 01:46:02,133
Speaker 27: out how he's done what he's done, and he's desperately

2060
01:46:02,133 --> 01:46:04,253
Speaker 27: trying to work out what happened. And so you get

2061
01:46:04,253 --> 01:46:06,693
Speaker 27: this past and present in all of these secret that

2062
01:46:06,773 --> 01:46:10,853
Speaker 27: blend together, and you get a really good psychological domestic

2063
01:46:10,853 --> 01:46:13,653
Speaker 27: thriller with lots and lots of curtain secrets as you

2064
01:46:13,733 --> 01:46:14,373
Speaker 27: uncover them.

2065
01:46:14,573 --> 01:46:18,533
Speaker 3: Superb Okay, Such a Perfect Family by Naralini Singh. Next up,

2066
01:46:18,653 --> 01:46:21,013
Speaker 3: the first law of the Bush by Jeff Parks.

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01:46:21,853 --> 01:46:24,293
Speaker 27: So this is set in small town New Zealand in

2068
01:46:24,293 --> 01:46:28,693
Speaker 27: the nineteen nineties and Bill Dickinson, who you meet dies

2069
01:46:28,813 --> 01:46:31,933
Speaker 27: in the first chapter. He fell to his death from

2070
01:46:32,013 --> 01:46:36,253
Speaker 27: a viaduct he was repairing, and there's no known explanation,

2071
01:46:36,413 --> 01:46:39,613
Speaker 27: and his coworkers that is worth, have no idea what happened.

2072
01:46:40,253 --> 01:46:42,653
Speaker 27: And in the story a year later you meet Carol,

2073
01:46:42,773 --> 01:46:45,973
Speaker 27: his widow, and she's trying to work out what's going on,

2074
01:46:46,133 --> 01:46:48,333
Speaker 27: and so she ends up seeking the help of a

2075
01:46:48,333 --> 01:46:50,853
Speaker 27: local lawyer not only to kind of work out what happened,

2076
01:46:51,133 --> 01:46:53,733
Speaker 27: but actually because the railways are refusing to pay her

2077
01:46:53,933 --> 01:46:56,733
Speaker 27: compensation after the fools decided that it was an accident.

2078
01:46:57,093 --> 01:47:01,573
Speaker 27: And Ryan agrees to help and he tries to uncover

2079
01:47:01,733 --> 01:47:05,613
Speaker 27: what's going on, and the local police sergeant is kind

2080
01:47:05,613 --> 01:47:08,533
Speaker 27: of says no, what says it happened It was the

2081
01:47:08,573 --> 01:47:11,573
Speaker 27: result of his own actions. But there's something in the

2082
01:47:11,573 --> 01:47:13,893
Speaker 27: back of his mind about the things that just don't

2083
01:47:13,933 --> 01:47:16,333
Speaker 27: seem quite right. And he's got a friend, a guy,

2084
01:47:16,453 --> 01:47:19,853
Speaker 27: Senior Constable Lance Peterson, who's also beginning to suspect that

2085
01:47:20,293 --> 01:47:23,653
Speaker 27: people are being protected and there's secrets to be uncovered

2086
01:47:23,773 --> 01:47:26,733
Speaker 27: and people are really afraid to talk, and you get

2087
01:47:26,733 --> 01:47:30,093
Speaker 27: these perspectives between several different characters, which adds to that

2088
01:47:30,253 --> 01:47:34,253
Speaker 27: intrigue and mystery as the story builds. And yeah, it

2089
01:47:34,573 --> 01:47:37,173
Speaker 27: kind of builds in this very sort of uncomfortable and

2090
01:47:37,533 --> 01:47:40,093
Speaker 27: dark way, and it makes it quite tense. And you've

2091
01:47:40,093 --> 01:47:43,093
Speaker 27: got all these small town secrets and stories that play

2092
01:47:43,133 --> 01:47:46,133
Speaker 27: out with this creeping tension, and it's it's one of

2093
01:47:46,133 --> 01:47:48,213
Speaker 27: those books that you just want to keep turning the pages.

2094
01:47:48,573 --> 01:47:51,133
Speaker 3: Superb Okay. So that's the first Law of the Bush

2095
01:47:51,413 --> 01:47:54,013
Speaker 3: by Jeff Parks and Catherine's first book was Such a

2096
01:47:54,093 --> 01:47:57,373
Speaker 3: Perfect Family by Nalini Singh. And both of those titles

2097
01:47:57,853 --> 01:47:59,453
Speaker 3: will be up on our show page on the News

2098
01:47:59,493 --> 01:48:02,373
Speaker 3: Talk z'b website, giving.

2099
01:48:02,093 --> 01:48:04,853
Speaker 1: You the inside scoop on all you need to know

2100
01:48:05,453 --> 01:48:08,373
Speaker 1: this Saturday Morning with Jack, Team News Talks It.

2101
01:48:19,413 --> 01:48:25,013
Speaker 11: Deep the Little wa The Puchers go across the Trap.

2102
01:48:27,213 --> 01:48:28,533
Speaker 3: Where the Vibe.

2103
01:48:28,293 --> 01:48:31,413
Speaker 6: Doctor looms like a bird of doom.

2104
01:48:31,453 --> 01:48:38,653
Speaker 3: As a shoot and crap Worst Secrets Line the Border

2105
01:48:38,973 --> 01:48:43,813
Speaker 3: five that Isnck Cave in the Bad Seeds Red right Hand.

2106
01:48:44,453 --> 01:48:47,493
Speaker 3: He played Wellington last night. Our music reviewer Chris Schultz

2107
01:48:47,613 --> 01:48:50,853
Speaker 3: was there for the show. And what was a crazy

2108
01:48:50,933 --> 01:48:53,093
Speaker 3: week for him? He did Lame Way and Auckland Thursday

2109
01:48:53,133 --> 01:48:56,293
Speaker 3: in the Cave last night. Let's start there. Least start

2110
01:48:56,293 --> 01:49:00,093
Speaker 3: with your credit card. Chriss, my gosh now and I'm kidding.

2111
01:49:00,133 --> 01:49:03,933
Speaker 3: It's yeah, a big old week and two contrasting shows.

2112
01:49:03,933 --> 01:49:04,973
Speaker 3: So tell us about the Cave.

2113
01:49:05,733 --> 01:49:10,333
Speaker 22: Yeah, very differ, very different experiences. Nick Cave was, well,

2114
01:49:10,373 --> 01:49:14,453
Speaker 22: first of all, who is his tailor? This man looks magnificent.

2115
01:49:14,573 --> 01:49:16,973
Speaker 22: He's sixty eight years old. He wears suits at all

2116
01:49:16,973 --> 01:49:18,973
Speaker 22: the shows. I actually got dressed up. I put a

2117
01:49:19,013 --> 01:49:21,933
Speaker 22: shirt on for the first time at a show. I normally,

2118
01:49:22,053 --> 01:49:24,093
Speaker 22: you know, concert the lame Way rock and shorts and

2119
01:49:24,133 --> 01:49:27,413
Speaker 22: a T shirt. I put a shirt on and knew

2120
01:49:27,413 --> 01:49:28,813
Speaker 22: I had to dress up a bit. You know, he

2121
01:49:29,573 --> 01:49:33,133
Speaker 22: turns up, he just looks incredible. He has slipped back

2122
01:49:33,853 --> 01:49:37,213
Speaker 22: and then he just he just puts on this show.

2123
01:49:37,253 --> 01:49:39,613
Speaker 22: That that is you know, it makes you settle in

2124
01:49:39,853 --> 01:49:40,573
Speaker 22: for a journey.

2125
01:49:40,613 --> 01:49:43,653
Speaker 7: He played for three hours.

2126
01:49:43,733 --> 01:49:46,453
Speaker 22: It's pretty spectacular. I actually slipped my shoes off. I

2127
01:49:46,573 --> 01:49:48,933
Speaker 22: just kind of settled into my chair and was like, Okay,

2128
01:49:48,973 --> 01:49:51,973
Speaker 22: this is going to be an experience. You want to

2129
01:49:52,013 --> 01:49:54,613
Speaker 22: sort of just just settle back and savor, and it

2130
01:49:54,653 --> 01:49:58,093
Speaker 22: really was that it's a twisted night into the soul.

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Speaker 22: It can be quite dark and eerie, like as red

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Speaker 22: right hand sort of shows you. There's a bit of

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Speaker 22: a Gothic stump to a lot of his stuff. It

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Speaker 22: can be quite uplifting too. He's got a ten piece

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Speaker 22: band and four gospel singers, so there's this real soaring,

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Speaker 22: sweeping element. It can be really joyous at parts, but

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Speaker 22: also really quite It can get quite dark. At one point,

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Speaker 22: they sort of flashed up the words kill me and

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01:50:24,013 --> 01:50:28,493
Speaker 22: bright red on the back drop. So yeah, and then

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Speaker 22: he's kind of like a minister or a preacher. He

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Speaker 22: gets out in the front. He's got a ramp that

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Speaker 22: goes right along the front rows, and he gets out

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Speaker 22: there and he's kind of touching people on the heads.

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Speaker 7: And grabbing their hands and kneeling.

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Speaker 22: On someone at one point, which I thought was pretty

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Speaker 22: cool considering the you know, the age and stage of

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01:50:45,613 --> 01:50:48,413
Speaker 22: the crowd. One of the guys on my left did

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Speaker 22: fall asleep occasionally. That had nothing to do with the performance.

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Speaker 22: You know, Nick favors electric and a master of like

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Speaker 22: weaving these peaks and troughs into a show.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, it's more about that journey.

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Speaker 22: I think, you know, to take it all in for

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01:51:03,453 --> 01:51:06,373
Speaker 22: three hours, I feel pretty jaded today. It's a long

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Speaker 22: hall show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean it's a lot to be choken in,

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Speaker 3: and especially when you're coming right off the back of Laneway,

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Speaker 3: which kicked off on Thursday in Auckland. Towers about it.

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Speaker 22: Laneway was the biggest music festival in Auckland since the

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01:51:23,013 --> 01:51:26,733
Speaker 22: last Big Day Out in twenty fourteen. There was more

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Speaker 22: than thirty five thousand people there. It did get crammed

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Speaker 22: a lot of the food trucks. I saw sold out

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01:51:31,573 --> 01:51:33,813
Speaker 22: signs go up one of them at like four point

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Speaker 22: thirty pm.

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Speaker 7: I think there were massive queues, so.

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Speaker 22: It was one of those things where you sort of

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01:51:38,773 --> 01:51:40,933
Speaker 22: had to battle the elements a bit to try and

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01:51:40,973 --> 01:51:43,453
Speaker 22: see what you wanted, and you're always making adjustments. I

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Speaker 22: got stuck in the queue for a burger for about

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Speaker 22: forty five minutes, so I just stood there watching Benny play. Yeah,

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Speaker 22: but it was you know. There there were many great

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Speaker 22: acts throughout the day, including the acclaimed American rock act Geese,

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01:51:57,333 --> 01:52:00,893
Speaker 22: which I absolutely adored. They're going to be big and

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01:52:00,933 --> 01:52:03,213
Speaker 22: the hype is real for those guys. But it was

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Speaker 22: the Chapel Rohan show, Chapel just I was sitting up

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01:52:07,373 --> 01:52:10,053
Speaker 22: the back when she started. I was kind of resting.

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01:52:10,093 --> 01:52:12,613
Speaker 22: I was pretty racked, and as soon as she started

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01:52:12,733 --> 01:52:16,053
Speaker 22: the magnetism that she exudes from that stage, I just

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01:52:16,253 --> 01:52:18,973
Speaker 22: flowed it down to the field. I wanted to be

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01:52:18,973 --> 01:52:22,653
Speaker 22: as close as possible, because she's just magnetic. She's she's

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01:52:22,773 --> 01:52:26,573
Speaker 22: so good at just just being poised and present and

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01:52:27,333 --> 01:52:31,053
Speaker 22: just going for it. It's it's something to behold. I'm

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Speaker 22: not even sure if I can explain just how good

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01:52:34,373 --> 01:52:36,813
Speaker 22: she really is, because you know, we've seen it overseas,

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01:52:36,813 --> 01:52:40,293
Speaker 22: we've seen that footage of everyone running into festivals to

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01:52:40,373 --> 01:52:43,653
Speaker 22: see her show, and until you're actually there and hearing

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01:52:43,813 --> 01:52:46,253
Speaker 22: how good her voice is in person, and and just

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01:52:46,333 --> 01:52:49,853
Speaker 22: how poised and present and commanding she is on stage,

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01:52:50,253 --> 01:52:52,853
Speaker 22: you know, you can't really understand it.

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01:52:52,893 --> 01:52:55,133
Speaker 3: I think, did you do the Hot to Go Dance?

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01:52:59,213 --> 01:52:59,653
Speaker 25: No?

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01:52:59,653 --> 01:53:00,253
Speaker 18: No, I don't.

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01:53:00,413 --> 01:53:00,773
Speaker 6: I don't.

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01:53:02,973 --> 01:53:03,573
Speaker 3: I didn't want to.

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01:53:03,813 --> 01:53:04,893
Speaker 7: I didn't want to get it wrong.

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Speaker 3: So just just explain. The Hot to Go Dance is

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01:53:09,653 --> 01:53:12,253
Speaker 3: where their audience spells out the words hot to go right,

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01:53:12,373 --> 01:53:14,053
Speaker 3: kind of like the Y M C A. But Chapel

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Speaker 3: Ryan Staff.

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Speaker 22: There's normally an introduction where she sort of teaches everyone

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01:53:18,493 --> 01:53:20,613
Speaker 22: how to do it, and she didn't do that for

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01:53:20,653 --> 01:53:23,693
Speaker 22: the first time at Lameway because everyone sort of I

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01:53:23,733 --> 01:53:24,813
Speaker 22: should know it by now.

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Speaker 23: It's me.

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01:53:25,693 --> 01:53:28,133
Speaker 22: Apparently, even the guy behind me in the all blacks

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01:53:28,173 --> 01:53:30,013
Speaker 22: jersey and dark shades was doing it.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, I'm going to practice for next time.

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01:53:33,453 --> 01:53:34,693
Speaker 3: I was going to say, you're going to have to.

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01:53:34,813 --> 01:53:37,573
Speaker 3: You're going to have to. So did you you had

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Speaker 3: you had lame Ways, you had lame Way Thursday? You

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01:53:41,653 --> 01:53:44,973
Speaker 3: had Nick Cave. Last night, did you go to Cameron?

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01:53:45,613 --> 01:53:48,813
Speaker 3: Is it Cameron Winter from Geese? Yeah?

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01:53:48,893 --> 01:53:51,533
Speaker 22: Yeah, he played a solo show at the Holy Trinity Cathedral.

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01:53:51,533 --> 01:53:53,253
Speaker 22: I'm still getting my head around that night. That was

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01:53:53,893 --> 01:53:57,453
Speaker 22: a very strange experience. He came out, he barely said

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01:53:57,453 --> 01:53:59,653
Speaker 22: a word. He just played an hour at the piano.

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01:53:59,733 --> 01:54:03,213
Speaker 22: It was incredibly intense. I felt quite wrung out afterwards

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01:54:03,533 --> 01:54:05,813
Speaker 22: because he doesn't saying a thing. There's not a lot

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01:54:05,813 --> 01:54:08,493
Speaker 22: of gags or chair He's just kind of going for it,

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01:54:08,533 --> 01:54:13,573
Speaker 22: and the songs are quite complicated and there's a lot

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01:54:13,613 --> 01:54:16,173
Speaker 22: going on there. So yeah, maybe I need to sleep

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01:54:16,173 --> 01:54:17,693
Speaker 22: on that one a little bit. And figure it out.

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01:54:17,813 --> 01:54:19,653
Speaker 3: My gosh, it's been a busy week for you. It

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01:54:19,693 --> 01:54:21,653
Speaker 3: sounds so good here you going thatck Cave was like

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01:54:21,693 --> 01:54:24,213
Speaker 3: a near religious experience. One of the best concerts I've

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01:54:24,253 --> 01:54:26,133
Speaker 3: ever been to, and I've been to plenty. Would have

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01:54:26,173 --> 01:54:28,413
Speaker 3: gone again on Saturday if I can get another ticket, says,

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01:54:28,413 --> 01:54:30,653
Speaker 3: and so there you go, you and Andrew and that

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01:54:30,693 --> 01:54:32,853
Speaker 3: one together. Sounds like you've had a cracking week. I

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01:54:32,893 --> 01:54:34,573
Speaker 3: just hope that you can have a little bit of downtime.

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01:54:34,613 --> 01:54:38,773
Speaker 22: Now Lord's playing on Wednesday.

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01:54:38,813 --> 01:54:41,613
Speaker 3: Great, I mean you've got to go to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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01:54:41,613 --> 01:54:43,373
Speaker 3: a little bit of dance. How you got three or

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01:54:43,373 --> 01:54:47,293
Speaker 3: four nights to recover from things? Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank

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01:54:47,333 --> 01:54:49,693
Speaker 3: you so much. I'm really really glad you enjoyed them.

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01:54:49,693 --> 01:54:52,213
Speaker 3: It sounds like an amazing couple of shows. And yeah,

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01:54:52,213 --> 01:54:54,613
Speaker 3: we really appreciate it. Chris, that's Chris Schultz. You can

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01:54:54,653 --> 01:54:57,493
Speaker 3: hear more from him, of course on substack. His substack

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01:54:57,613 --> 01:55:01,013
Speaker 3: is called boiler Room. We'll pick out a good chapel, Ryan,

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01:55:01,093 --> 01:55:03,773
Speaker 3: so maybe Hot to Go so that Chris can have

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Speaker 3: a little bit of a practice for the Hot to

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Speaker 3: Go down to a couple of minutes. We'll close out

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Speaker 3: the show with that right now it is seven to twelve.

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01:55:09,293 --> 01:55:10,213
Speaker 3: On news Talks, he'd be.

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Speaker 4: Cracking.

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Speaker 1: Way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack Team News.

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Speaker 3: this evening. Go the three kiwis in the snowboard Big

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Speaker 3: Air Final at the Winter Olympic Games. Seven thirty tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 3: Go Piney Jason Pine with Weekend Sport this afternoon, and

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Speaker 3: producer Libby for doing the buttons and dials all this morning.

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Speaker 3: We are going to leave you with Chapel Ryan. If

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Speaker 3: you know the hot to Go dance, I'm expecting you

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Speaker 3: to be doing it right now. I'm back next Saturday

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Speaker 3: morning from nine until then.

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Speaker 9: Have a got.

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Speaker 15: One oh g O Sup crapping touch with Fischer, had

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Speaker 15: up tents out You're hot to.

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Speaker 2: Go, patre t t O g O Sup and crap

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Speaker 2: and touch it and had some pature t t O

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Speaker 2: G O.

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Speaker 3: What it takes to get to take.

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Speaker 4: You for more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame.

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