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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Simon Barnett and James Daniels Afternoons

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Speaker 1: podcast from News Talks.

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Speaker 2: EDB, News Talks EDB Well. During Die Henwood's twenty five

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Speaker 2: year career, he's won many major comedy gongs, including the

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Speaker 2: Billy Tyer Award. He's a regular on the country's longest

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Speaker 2: running comedy program, Seven Days Was So Funny. He's hosted

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Speaker 2: heaps of shows, including Family Feud, Dancing with the Stars,

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Speaker 2: and Lego Masters. His latest project is a memoir, The

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Speaker 2: Life of Die, co written with his friend and fellow

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Speaker 2: comedian Jackie Brown. You can find it in all good

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Speaker 2: bookstores now. The presales are outstanding. It is a pleasure

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Speaker 2: to welcome Diehindward on for six in a song, Gooday,

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Speaker 2: Die got it.

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Speaker 3: It's great to be here. I'm a happy man at

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Speaker 3: the moment. I've been toiling away with Jackie Brown on

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Speaker 3: this book for Wow, the best part of a year,

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Speaker 3: and it's just a privilege to get it out there

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Speaker 3: and onto some shelves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we're going to talk about your book because

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Speaker 2: obviously it's it is really resonating with a number of

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Speaker 2: people that maybe are going through the similar journey. Or

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Speaker 2: have been there. So we'll get to that and a set.

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Speaker 2: Can we stay with your comedy mate, because obviously that's

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Speaker 2: where most people know die Hen. Would do you remember

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Speaker 2: what your first stand up show? Where it was and

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Speaker 2: what was it?

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Speaker 3: I certainly do. You don't forget something that is so

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Speaker 3: exciting and so traumatic. And they call part I was

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Speaker 3: from Wellington. I was at university down there and we

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Speaker 3: So myself and a friend, Anna Kennedy, we put a

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Speaker 3: double act together called Die Anna very clear of a

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Speaker 3: little pun on words. There came up to do a

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Speaker 3: stand up comedy show and the host was ew and Gilmour,

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Speaker 3: the late Great ew and Gilmore. You and the West

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Speaker 3: Billy Teas and Fred Dag and then the next wave.

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Speaker 3: Your sort of icons were like your Mike Kings, your

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Speaker 3: Ew and Gilmour's et cetera. And he was hosting the

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Speaker 3: show and he he saw to our set. There were

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Speaker 3: eighteen people on that night. We were seventeens. The audience

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Speaker 3: were pretty tired. We got up, We're so excited. We

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Speaker 3: Gilmore said, You've got to keep doing this. He called

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Speaker 3: us the talll and Dean of comedy, which I had

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Speaker 3: no idea whole and Dean were and I had to

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Speaker 3: go home and research him. So I was just nodding

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Speaker 3: politely to him, but no, and you and just sort

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Speaker 3: of he spured us to keep going. And was that

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Speaker 3: same year the Classic Comedy Bar in Auckland open, and

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Speaker 3: then we sort of moved to there, and then Anna

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Speaker 3: kept doing stand up. So even though the first gig

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Speaker 4: Nice, nice, Well, you've been all over the place, and

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Speaker 4: by that we mean performed all over the excuse me,

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Speaker 4: performed all over the place. We're the most favorite and

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Speaker 4: or strangest places you've performed.

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Speaker 3: Well, so I'd say my favorite was when I was

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Speaker 3: a show that was hosted by Joan Rivers, who's sort

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Speaker 3: to perform with amazing comedians over there, and the strangest

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Speaker 3: was actually a gag I was booked for at SkyCity

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Speaker 3: Grand and the lineup was myself, the hip hop artist Savage,

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Speaker 3: and buzz Aldron, who was the third man on the moon.

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Speaker 2: Wow, you're kidding.

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Speaker 3: It's a very interesting lineup. Who's Savage and I have

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Speaker 3: a reasonably similar crossover an audience, Buzz, but sixty five

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Speaker 3: sixty five plus year old space nerd don't usually like

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Speaker 3: and I sort of did my bit. Buzz Aldron came

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Speaker 3: remember Neil Armstrong got on the moon person it was

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Speaker 3: Aldron when he got out of the rocket he had

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Speaker 3: He actually had a joke plan and it was sous.

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Speaker 3: He did his sort of space talk. I was him

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Speaker 3: please give it up for Savage. He comes out and

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Speaker 2: So that is too funny for in the career.

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Speaker 3: That spanned some very crazy gigs. But that's what I

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Speaker 2: Oh man, that's a funny story. You're you're naturally just

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Speaker 2: a very funny man died just to talk to you. Actually,

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Speaker 2: because buzz Aldron's are really prickly character. He really pretty character.

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Speaker 2: And there was a guy approaching him, you can see

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Speaker 2: how is it to fake something like the moon landing?

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Speaker 2: And he just punches the guy fear in the face.

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Speaker 2: He just clocked him and the spects him right in

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Speaker 2: the chops. Yeah, it's brilliant because he was pretty old

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Speaker 3: Got the the you don't sort of question him. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he was very I was just happy. He was actually

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love space too. Who do you find funny?

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Speaker 2: Can you can you name three of the funniest people

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Speaker 3: To and what so to me, it's actually the sort

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Speaker 3: and more recently there's an American comedian called Theo Vaughn

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Speaker 3: who I'm really enjoying, sort of in terms of a

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Speaker 3: I'm so super proud to be part of the scene.

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Speaker 4: Hey, the Life of Die your book, how hard was

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Speaker 4: it to write there? But because I presume you were

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was tough because there was obviously the beautiful

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Speaker 3: tangible takeaways, which are things I use. Breathing techniques, meditation techniques.

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Speaker 3: because my motto in the life and especially in this

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Speaker 2: I read one of your stories a while ago, mate,

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Speaker 2: and it was very powerful because you're I'm sure you

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Speaker 2: that end. Yes, you made the comment, and I thought

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Speaker 2: And oh man, it's just at times just crippling. I

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Speaker 3: No these things as you know they are. It's so heavy,

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Speaker 3: Like I just realized this was really a family diagnosis

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Speaker 3: But we're humans. That's how we often think, and we

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Speaker 3: can always go to the negative. Of course, your partner

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Speaker 4: Well we'll have more of that, of course in your book,

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Speaker 4: The Life of Die, which is available in all good

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Speaker 3: I really hope that they will get sort of equal

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Speaker 3: measures of laster thoughtfulness and tips to lead a more

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Speaker 3: who needs to just shift their mental perspective. I really

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Speaker 2: You know, I genuinely find you an inspirational character because

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Speaker 2: I ask you one more quick question before we take

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Speaker 2: a break. It's very personal, but do you get scared

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Speaker 2: the morning, it's pitch black, everyone's asleep, and you're lying

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Speaker 2: there in your own thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I.

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Speaker 3: Talk about how I'm positive, I'm often laughing and so forth,

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Speaker 3: But don't you worry. I get scared. I cry. I

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Speaker 3: Actually comes anger, like a lot of anger. Is why me?

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Speaker 3: I've always been a pretty healthy thing, ensure. I might

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Speaker 3: It's how I respond to it. And it's sort of

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Speaker 2: I hear that you're a beautiful man, mate, did as

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Speaker 2: six and a Song is Die Heinwood's book is called

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Speaker 2: The Life of Die in Bookstores. So again, mate, thank

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Speaker 2: you very much for time. These are rapid fire questions.

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Speaker 2: Do I see a bit to be funny or we

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Speaker 2: Red here, what's one place you never get tired.

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Speaker 3: Of the one place I never get tired of? Going

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Speaker 3: to Chipmunks A kids playground. I'm going with kids, by

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Speaker 3: hooning around having a blast, and I can coffee.

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Speaker 4: Hey, what's one of the nicest compliments you've ever received?

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Speaker 3: The nicest compliments I've ever received was I someone came

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Speaker 3: I love you. I think you're one of the best

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Speaker 3: warriors halfbacks ever. I had to say, sorry, I'm not tasty, Joan.

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Speaker 4: It's the eyebrows. He was my next door nam And

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Speaker 4: by the way, I can say things like that.

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Speaker 3: Guy.

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Speaker 2: If you had the power to change one thing in

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Speaker 2: as you could have the power to change one thing

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Speaker 3: Look, if it wasn't just zapping away my cancer, it

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Speaker 3: would be that everyone loves each other. Regardless of what

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Speaker 4: That's lovely, mate. Hey, what's something you thought was important

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Speaker 4: when you were young, but as you got older you

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Speaker 3: Really, The people at bars and nightclubs thought I was cool.

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Speaker 2: There's plenty to be proud of in your career thus far,

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Speaker 2: But what are you personally most proud of.

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Speaker 3: I'm most proud of the fact that I realized he

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Speaker 4: Good on you, mate, that's lovely. If you could invite

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Speaker 3: This is such a such a hard question because I

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Speaker 3: say it would be the Delai Lama. Oh okay, he

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Speaker 3: actually and they were really they were Yeah, they were

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Speaker 2: That's fantastic. No, And finally, mate, we're just going to

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Speaker 2: finish with your song choice very because you strike me

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Speaker 2: as a reasonably eclectic sort of a person, both with you,

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Speaker 2: the books, you read, your interest in I guess your music.

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Speaker 2: So what song have you chosen in?

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Speaker 3: Why? Please? I have chosen Night Moves by.

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Speaker 2: Both great song.

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Speaker 3: This is just as just one of those songs, you know,

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Speaker 3: when I think of it, I know when I love

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Speaker 3: a good song. You're right, I have a very eclectic

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Speaker 3: taste in music. But Night Moves is the song when

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Speaker 3: and when I can't find a song, I always end

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Speaker 3: up on Night Moves and I love it. It just

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Speaker 3: evokes the perfect Mitch in the song where you get

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Speaker 3: I just I love it.

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Speaker 2: Mate, We have loved chatting with you. Dye's book is

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Speaker 2: in stores now. It's called The Life of Die, and

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Speaker 2: thank you for writing it, thank you for being so

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Speaker 2: candid about your experience, and we just wish you every success.

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Speaker 2: My doctor said with my wife's diagnosis many years ago,

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Speaker 2: he said, never see yourself as a statistic and so

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Speaker 2: I echoed those sentiments to you, mate, and you're doing

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Speaker 2: so well, and long may that continue. God bless you

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Speaker 2: Die and thanks for your time.

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Speaker 3: Cured to mate, Thank you, Simon.

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Speaker 2: Fans Change Die Henwood and this is night Moves that

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