1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments. 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 2: Certainty, very so about seeing your political correspondence with us. 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 3: Barry, Hello, good afternoon, Heather. 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 2: Yes, So would you rate the chances of Darlien being 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: able to stop this with a judicial review in court? 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: Well, well, she may be able to stop initially the 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: meeting that's going to take place this weekend. What they 8 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: want is a review of the Green's decision. Now that 9 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: could take some considerable time if they have to go 10 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: through it line by line. But I doubt whether the 11 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: court will choose that because it's easy to facilitate the 12 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: walker jumping legislation, which is what this weekend meeting was 13 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: all about, to give the go ahead to do that 14 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: or otherwise. 15 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what Chloe's Forbrick was quite. 16 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: Clear that it's a proportionality issue and Darlene Tana has 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: no place in parliament polism. 18 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 4: What we are talking about is somebody who currently occupies 19 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 4: a seat in our part that was earned by the 20 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 4: three hundred and thirty thousand New Zealanders who voted for 21 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 4: the Green Party at this most recent election. Those New 22 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 4: Zealanders voted for our principles and our values and our policies, 23 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 4: and we very strongly are of the view and our 24 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 4: caucus has taken the unprecedented stance of requesting unanimously the 25 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 4: resignation of Darling Tana on the basis that they have 26 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 4: completely demonstrated and undermining of those very values and principles. 27 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 1: And my view here, what Darlingana has done by taking 28 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: this legal action is ensured that once this is cleared 29 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: out of the way, then that walker jumping legislation will 30 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: be invoked and she'll be out of parliament. 31 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: Barry this little this issue of Chris Luxen saying that 32 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: Maori that Ewe leaders did seed sovereignty when they signed 33 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: the Treaty of White Thing, he's becoming a bit of 34 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: a problem for Remain. 35 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 3: Well, look, it's been a debate. 36 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: It's been debated for many years, of course, whether they 37 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: did seed sovereignty. 38 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 3: And I remember them. 39 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: In parliament last week it was under a number of 40 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: questions that were asked to them about whether the crown 41 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: was sovereign and what he said was that Maori seeded 42 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: sovereignty when they signed the Treaty of Waitangi. And if 43 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: you look up the meaning of sovereignty, it's the authority 44 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: for a state to govern itself. And you know, it's 45 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: arguable that the Maldi would argue, and through the Waitangi 46 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: Tribunal that they're citing their finding. The Maldi would argue, well, 47 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: that's that's the English interpretation, but it's not the Maldi interpretation. 48 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: And I think personally, if you go back to eighteen forty, 49 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: I think Maori were probably fairly clear that they were 50 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: happy enough for the crown to govern the country whilst 51 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: they had their own rights of course, to govern their 52 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: own territories. 53 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I mean the difficulty is whether what it 54 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: brings us to as a debate about where the parliament 55 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: is sovereign right now? And I don't think, I mean, 56 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: nobody in Parliament is going to say parliament is not 57 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 2: sovereign right Oh? 58 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And that is the big issue, isn't it really? 59 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: That you know, he was forced into it and he 60 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: reluctantly I remember him saying it that they did seed sovereignty. 61 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: And if you look at the interpretation literally, of course 62 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: they seeded sovereignty. But that's an argument and it's one 63 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: that was proffered by the White Tangy Tribunal because they 64 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: said the Irangutara who signed the treaty didn't seed sovereignty. 65 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: But don't forget the White Tangi Tribunal is simply an 66 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: independent commission of inquiry. 67 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: What DoD He'll be an easy say to Rembooker at 68 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: this of parlance forum. 69 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: Well, it was quite extraordinary actually because Chris Luxon, as 70 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: we know, he's pretty good at engaging with people. He 71 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: had gone around all the other Pacific leaders and when 72 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: it came to he essentially there was a bit of 73 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: banter going on between the two and Albanese said to Luxeen, 74 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: are getting into trouble and he said, yeah, getting into trouble. 75 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: Responded he responded to that before don't put him into tention. 76 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 3: Pleasant. I don't quite know what Luxan was meaning by that, 77 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: but it was. 78 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: The clinch or the clanger that was committed by Albanesi 79 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: in a jovial mood. He came up behind the seated 80 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: Fiji in prime in the sicific set of any Rambuka 81 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: and grabbed him by the shoulders and proclaimed, you're under arrest. Lord, 82 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: you're arrest or what on earthy was meaning? God only knows. 83 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: I mean at the bee has to city of any 84 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: Ramboka because I was there and I was one of 85 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: those who was arrested in the first coup. 86 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 3: I don't know whether that joke should have been made 87 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 3: to a man like Ramboka. 88 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 2: No, not at all, especially given that all that the 89 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 2: stuff has floated around abound him. Hey, Barry, thank you. 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