WEBVTT - "A Series Win 69 Years In The Making..."

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<v Speaker 1>Live from the Export Beer Garden Studios. You're listening to

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<v Speaker 1>the BYC and before we begin, we must apologize to

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<v Speaker 1>our legions of listeners for being absent at the wheel

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the most extraordinary fortnights in New Zealand

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<v Speaker 1>cricket history. It was an unfortunate combination of holidays and

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<v Speaker 1>overseas travel. But we're here now to reflect upon the

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<v Speaker 1>almost unbelievable results of both our men and women cricketers.

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest, I'm still struggling to get my head

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<v Speaker 1>around what has occurred. To say, it runs completely against

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<v Speaker 1>the tide as an understatement, and I'm grateful to have

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<v Speaker 1>my colleagues here today to make sense of it all.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get into it. And Dylan Cleaver, boyo boyo,

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<v Speaker 1>boyo boy you must feel stupid, um, but let's start

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<v Speaker 1>off with the women winning the T twenty World Cup.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean extrawd. Yeah, there is no way in Haydyes,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have thought they even had a glimmer of

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<v Speaker 1>a chance given their run up to that tournament. And

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<v Speaker 1>then bang may win the tournament.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought that'd be harp hound in pool play. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought they'd fall over to India and Australia, which

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<v Speaker 2>they did actually fall over to Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>And that would be all. She wrote.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say I did know that I was

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<v Speaker 2>going away to Vietnam during this time, and I did

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<v Speaker 2>look at the schedule and my confession he had all

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<v Speaker 2>our listeners minfession as I thought, oh well, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to miss so imagine my shock as I was

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<v Speaker 2>refreshing the crick inop furiously from Hochi Min City to

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<v Speaker 2>see the White Ferns win that tournament.

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<v Speaker 3>Just the short score board for the final. They play South.

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<v Speaker 2>Africa in the final, which was fortunate, which we'll get to.

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<v Speaker 2>They scored one hundred and fifty eight for five, with

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<v Speaker 2>Melly Kerr top scoring with forty three from thirty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>Halliday brookel thirty eight from twenty eight and the veteran

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<v Speaker 2>Susie Bads who has become a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>viral star since that world cap thirty two from thirty one.

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<v Speaker 2>And I have to say South Africa never looked in

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<v Speaker 2>the races no during that chase. I have caught up

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<v Speaker 2>with the game bull boye Balls since I've returned New

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<v Speaker 2>Zealand bowling execution and plans were superb. South Africa won

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six for nine. Melly Kerr the star of the

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<v Speaker 2>show three for twenty four and not far behind Rosemary

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<v Speaker 2>Mayor with three for twenty five. Just a really professional

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<v Speaker 2>performance in both the semi and the final. The semi

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<v Speaker 2>get a little bit squeaky against Westerndys with Simsey Bates

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<v Speaker 2>having to bowl the last over, But again I never

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<v Speaker 2>and the hindsight is perfect vision, right, But I never

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<v Speaker 2>got the sense that the White fans were anything but

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<v Speaker 2>ahead of the game, and certainly that was the case

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<v Speaker 2>for the final, where they were just they were the

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<v Speaker 2>best team.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pull forward. Where the bloody hell did that come from?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Well I was going to say, were you and I

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<v Speaker 5>of course just around your way because Dylan was a way.

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<v Speaker 5>We were keen to watch all of these games and

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<v Speaker 5>do podcasts, but Dylan let us down and we just

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<v Speaker 5>had to cave in. But you know what a selfless

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<v Speaker 5>act from the three of us to be away and

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<v Speaker 5>coaxing what has been just an unbelievable couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the White Ferns World.

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<v Speaker 5>Cup win is it's just blows my mind. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>never in a million years did I think that we

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<v Speaker 5>would if we won a Cricket World Cup, that the

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<v Speaker 5>first Cricket World Cup that we'd win would be the

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<v Speaker 5>White fans.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just unreal.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, even today they're ranked fourth in the world

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<v Speaker 5>and you know every World Cup you need it a

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<v Speaker 5>little bit of luck. But they played really, really bloody well,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, to be fair, going into that tournament,

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<v Speaker 5>I think they'd lost eleven in a row. They'd lost

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<v Speaker 5>two out of nineteen games in twenty twenty four. To

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<v Speaker 5>be fair, that was against Australia in England. But you know,

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<v Speaker 5>those are the teams that we're expecting to come up against.

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<v Speaker 4>And have to get over the top of.

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<v Speaker 5>And in the end we did have to do that,

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<v Speaker 5>and that the draw and I'm not playing it down.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just saying it just worked out beautifully for us

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<v Speaker 5>and we weren't alone and thinking that. I was reading

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<v Speaker 5>a thing on Newsroom which said how before the tournament,

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<v Speaker 5>Sophie Devine was dialing into a media call. There were

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<v Speaker 5>two media on the call, one from Newsroom. I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know who the other one was, but you know, this

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<v Speaker 5>was massively, massively unexpected and how fantastic for players like

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<v Speaker 5>well in particular for Susi Baits and Sophie Devine who've

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<v Speaker 5>basically dedicated half of their lives to playing for this team,

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<v Speaker 5>for them to inspire the next generation. And I loved

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<v Speaker 5>hearing a mereily A cur talking about how when she

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<v Speaker 5>was nine years old watching them on TV. I think

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<v Speaker 5>they lost that twenty ten final. I think it was

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<v Speaker 5>in the last over, basically off the last ball, and

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<v Speaker 5>what a great redemption act.

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<v Speaker 4>That is sensational, sensational for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think to say, in our defense, if

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<v Speaker 1>you looked at the form guide Dylan in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what was what they what they would performed,

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<v Speaker 1>they were bringing to the tournament, we were completely within

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<v Speaker 1>our rights to say wow, you know, and I remember

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<v Speaker 1>the discussions we were having about the White fans, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, none of us really had an answer and

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<v Speaker 1>it just seemed like they were on a downward spiral.

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<v Speaker 1>And so therefore it just makes this achievement of theirs

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<v Speaker 1>all the more significant.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it does.

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<v Speaker 2>And just a quick point, New Zealand, the White Fans

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<v Speaker 2>have won a World Cup before, but not a Teach

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<v Speaker 2>twenty World Cup. So this is the first Teach twenty

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<v Speaker 2>World Cup we won. But I think maybe we got

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<v Speaker 2>a false sense of their hopelessness because of that. As

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<v Speaker 2>Paul mentioned, the fact that all we played over the

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<v Speaker 2>last twelve eily month seems to be Australia or England, true,

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<v Speaker 2>who are very very good teams, who are highly resourced.

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<v Speaker 2>Granted you should never lose that many games. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>teach when he is seen as that kind of game

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<v Speaker 2>can even up this song exactly because of the format,

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<v Speaker 2>and they never seem to work when we were playing

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<v Speaker 2>Australia or England.

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<v Speaker 3>But perhaps they learned enough.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing that was really heartening about this tournament,

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<v Speaker 2>and I really hope becomes the way forward for the

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<v Speaker 2>White fans, is that it wasn't just Sophie, Susie and

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<v Speaker 2>Mellie Kerr. In fact, Sophie Devine didn't have a great tournament.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she might have made one significant contribution with

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<v Speaker 2>the bat. Obviously your leadership was important, Obviously she's still

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<v Speaker 2>a talismanic figure for that team, but actual playing performance

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't that strong. And players that I've been borderline critical

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<v Speaker 2>of the management keeping in and just letting them fail

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<v Speaker 2>and fail and fail without seeming any accountability, have actually

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<v Speaker 2>started to repay that faith and George Plumoer being head

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<v Speaker 2>of the class there with a number of really good

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<v Speaker 2>contributions with the bat. That's got to continue. Brookli a

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<v Speaker 2>good player, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Continue.

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<v Speaker 2>Rosemere, the Spinners, Fan Jonas and eating Carson.

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<v Speaker 3>Eating Carson I thought was terrific.

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<v Speaker 2>So there is I know, it seems funny to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about green shoots when you've actually just gone and done

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that you've achieved it that you really.

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<v Speaker 3>Want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's actually green shoots there for sustained success.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's important.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I think that's that was the sort of

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<v Speaker 1>thing that we were discussing, where were the green shoots

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of this white Furan side. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on reflection pull forward, maybe in hindsight, you know the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that they were playing England and Australia probably considered

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<v Speaker 1>the two best sides. We got it flogging, but maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we did get some learnings and we were in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the fire the whole time and that sort of

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<v Speaker 1>benefited us in the long run.

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<v Speaker 5>Built some callousies. Do you think Jason may be maybe

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<v Speaker 5>a bit tough thing? Yeah, Look, I think with hindsight,

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<v Speaker 5>as you say, certainly didn't feel like that. At the time,

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<v Speaker 5>it felt like we were just getting beaten up. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>there's a method to the madness. And yeah, when when

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<v Speaker 5>you see those players like Georgia Plummer, Eden Carson fran

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<v Speaker 5>Jonas another one as he gazed the wicket keeper just

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<v Speaker 5>to share unadulterated joy, well, what they achieved was infectious

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<v Speaker 5>and amazing and yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And they know how to do it now.

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<v Speaker 5>I think, yeah, there's this built and there's a confidence

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<v Speaker 5>that's going to come with us. I mean, obviously throughout

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<v Speaker 5>the tournament that has built and built and built. But

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<v Speaker 5>you know, they talked about, you know, the coaching staff,

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<v Speaker 5>Susie Bates, just massively defensive about their team, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>for the whole year, saying now it's going to be okay,

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<v Speaker 5>stop worrying about it. We've got faith in the players.

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<v Speaker 5>We're going to keep picking them. We don't care what

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<v Speaker 5>anybody else thinks. And they've been absolutely vindicated. And you know,

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<v Speaker 5>we've talked before about that intent with the bat and

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<v Speaker 5>it was there, I mean from that first game against

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<v Speaker 5>India where they basically we're going to go out and

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<v Speaker 5>try and score one hundred and sixty runs in every

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<v Speaker 5>game and they went out of that first game and

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<v Speaker 5>got one hundred and sixty. You know, it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>it really felt like something had changed, the confidence had come.

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<v Speaker 5>They had a nice warm up victory against South Africa

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<v Speaker 5>and then it all just came together beautifully in that

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<v Speaker 5>game against India. Dylan, you mentioned Sophie Devine not having

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<v Speaker 5>not a blinding tournament with the bat, but lots of

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<v Speaker 5>amazing field changes, obviously an inspirational leader and all of

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<v Speaker 5>those sorts of things, and absolutely crucial fifty seven off

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<v Speaker 5>thirty six, and that went against India two, which really

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<v Speaker 5>set the tone for the tournament.

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<v Speaker 1>And you have to maybe argue, Dylan, cleve of vindication

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<v Speaker 1>for the coach who you were bagging relentlessly, Vindication for

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<v Speaker 1>sticking with it, sticking with the team.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolute vindication in terms of you benchmark yourselves on your

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<v Speaker 2>performance and pinnacle events. Yes, in a World Cup as

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<v Speaker 2>a pinacle event. I guess that leads into this sort

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<v Speaker 2>of same question as it worth the pain that you've endured.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it wasn't that long ago where it felt

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<v Speaker 2>like a rain cloud follow the New Zealand team all

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<v Speaker 2>throughout their fifty over World Cup which they hosted and

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<v Speaker 2>they were pretty bang average.

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<v Speaker 3>It is it worth going through all that for these spikes?

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<v Speaker 2>I think in the moment you have to say, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it probably is, sure, but I don't. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>just to contradict myself, I don't think we can go

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<v Speaker 2>into that dip again. No, the lows can't be as

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<v Speaker 2>low as they were to get to that kind of high.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think too. You know, just the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>they've achieved this is going to be a massive, massively

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<v Speaker 1>significant to the side because they know they can do it,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's going to build confidence. You know, there is

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<v Speaker 1>and this is not just to do with the women,

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<v Speaker 1>it's also to do with the men. From my own

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<v Speaker 1>point of view, I go T twenty World Cups. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is a massive achievement. How do New Zealand

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<v Speaker 1>Cricket capitalize on this, Paul four? Because you know, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be some real enthusiasm out there now

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<v Speaker 1>for young female players out there seeing the World champions

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<v Speaker 1>and going, oh, I want a part of that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, they've talked about the method and the approach that

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<v Speaker 5>they've taken to this tournament. They've been trying to set

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<v Speaker 5>the team up for a for a long future. I

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<v Speaker 5>think of the words that they've talked about and given

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<v Speaker 5>the players they've backed. They've backed the players to the

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<v Speaker 5>help throughout the tournament over the past twelve months. So

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<v Speaker 5>you'd hope that lots of confidence would come with that. Look,

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<v Speaker 5>I how first of all, I reckon we should pay

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<v Speaker 5>a few more teams that are a bit shitter than

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<v Speaker 5>maybe the two best teams.

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<v Speaker 4>In the world. I reckon that would be a really

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<v Speaker 4>good start. I think that.

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<v Speaker 5>Everyone that loves cricket should remind our best and brightest

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<v Speaker 5>and most fantastic young sportswoman that choosing cricket as a

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<v Speaker 5>career is a pretty bloody decent career these days, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>it's not like the old days. I think two of

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<v Speaker 5>our top five earners cricket players, merely Kerr and Sophie Devine,

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<v Speaker 5>just as an example, So you know, there's a genuine

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<v Speaker 5>career there to pursue. And you know, I think that's

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<v Speaker 5>a big thing. I reckon getting the players out and

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<v Speaker 5>about just so important. You know, you can't be what

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<v Speaker 5>you can't see and all that kind of stuff. And look,

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<v Speaker 5>I was looking at the schedule and it's pretty tough.

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<v Speaker 5>We've got the Aussies here for three ODI eyes, but

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<v Speaker 5>it's right before Christmas, so that's going to be a

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<v Speaker 5>bit of a tough cell. But there's some t twenties

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<v Speaker 5>in late March against the Australians that I think should

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<v Speaker 5>be shaping up as a real pinnacle event for women's

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<v Speaker 5>cricket in New Zealand, and it would be great to

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<v Speaker 5>see the country get behind the team and see if

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<v Speaker 5>they can pull off another miracle against their old nemesis.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the point about asking about how Ncincy you

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<v Speaker 2>are going to leverage this is critical for the future

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<v Speaker 2>of the women's game here. Paul is absolutely right and

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<v Speaker 2>mentioning that it's a genuine career pathway. Now, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's an easier career pathway than nepple, which has always

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<v Speaker 2>been the most popular sport with talents and female athletes. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a more easier on your body career pathway

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<v Speaker 2>than either of the rugby coats, although they are exploding

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<v Speaker 2>in popularity as well. If you're a talented young female

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<v Speaker 2>sports person, you can be looking out at the WPL

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<v Speaker 2>where you can get salaries and the six figure salaries.

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<v Speaker 3>You can get. You're looking at the women's.

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<v Speaker 2>Big Bash, which is you know, high five figure for

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of months work. There's the woman's hundred, which

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<v Speaker 2>is only going to get bigger and bigger. And even

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I know we kind of tend to look

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<v Speaker 2>at our own domestic crickets more village green type, but

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<v Speaker 2>the match fees equal to the men's for.

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<v Speaker 3>Our domestic game.

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<v Speaker 2>There is opportunities there for quite lucrative careers, so I'll

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<v Speaker 2>be taking there. But beyond that, I think it's critical

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<v Speaker 2>they get into more schools. Yes, and I'm not talking

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<v Speaker 2>about your Angie rus and your.

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<v Speaker 3>Epsom girls and your sin Hilders.

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<v Speaker 2>There is talent oozing out of our schools in New

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<v Speaker 2>Zealand that do not get access to cricket because cricket

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<v Speaker 2>is still relatively cost prohibitive in terms of gear, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's also seen and there's no easy way of putting this,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's it's seen largely as a white, middle class

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<v Speaker 2>sport that's changing a bit with the influx of South

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<v Speaker 2>Asian immigrants and that's great, but I still think with

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<v Speaker 2>New Zealand cricket has a job to do in breaking

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<v Speaker 2>down those barriers and those perceptions of cricket being that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of game for those kind of school girls.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, nice point, and once again congratulations to the

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<v Speaker 1>women for that outstanding result against all the odds. Having

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<v Speaker 1>said that, they've just gone down to one of the

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<v Speaker 1>series against India overnight, no meleicure, Yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>But hey hey dangerously hungover?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, probably they probably haven't landed the plane yet.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll give them. We'll give them that excuse, shall we.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, no, superb achievement and well done to them.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to take a quick break and be back shortly.

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<v Speaker 1>You discuss another phenomenal cricket happening New Zealand versus India

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<v Speaker 1>and India welcome back. Wow, I mean, Stone the Crows.

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<v Speaker 1>What the bloody hell is going on? We've just been

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the woman winning the T twenty World Cup

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<v Speaker 1>once again. Never in my wildest fantasies and dreams, Paul Forward,

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<v Speaker 1>would I have ever imagined New Zealand winning a Test

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<v Speaker 1>series in India. What the hell is going on?

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<v Speaker 5>I know, it's utterly extraordinary, and I keep going around

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<v Speaker 5>and around in my head as to which one was

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<v Speaker 5>more unexpected, the woman winning the World Cup.

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<v Speaker 4>Or this Test series victory.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's hard to separate them, to be honest, just

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<v Speaker 5>unreal and you know when you factor and it's the

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<v Speaker 5>first time we're ever a series in the World Test Championship.

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<v Speaker 5>We don't have Williamson, we don't have Henry because one

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<v Speaker 5>of his lovely glutes was strained. We sent Michael Bracewll home.

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<v Speaker 5>We were forced to pick Satna because he had a

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<v Speaker 5>side strain. Then we're up against in India who have

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<v Speaker 5>built in an utterly formidable fortress at home in eighteen series.

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<v Speaker 4>Twelve year long winning streak.

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<v Speaker 5>We've got a new captain in there and it's basically,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, just taken just taken over. There's contract juggling

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<v Speaker 5>and players that aren't contracted and all that sort of

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<v Speaker 5>shenanigans is in full swing. We've just been drubbed in

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<v Speaker 5>Sri Lanka and we've got a whole lot of blokes.

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<v Speaker 5>We talked about it on this podcast about how poor

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<v Speaker 5>so many of our players form. The form that they

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<v Speaker 5>were in was shit house. It's just extraordinary. And the

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<v Speaker 5>other thing about it, it's all of those words I

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<v Speaker 5>said that start with un but it's also really uncontroversial win.

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<v Speaker 5>We were utterly dominant. It's not a book. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>some miraculous one off performance by one bloke lots of contribution.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, center was fantastic. I'm sure we'll talk about that

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<v Speaker 4>in a minute. But it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 5>It wasn't a fluke. And yeah, I just I just

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<v Speaker 5>it's mind blowing unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's one of the more extraordinary facets of this

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<v Speaker 1>for me, is that we were dominant. We didn't just

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<v Speaker 1>when we were dominant, and you know, I thought after

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<v Speaker 1>the first test, I'll be honest, and we caught them

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<v Speaker 1>on the hot.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it was we got lucky with the condition.

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<v Speaker 1>With the conditions in that first test. You know, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a very damp, kind of weird wicket which suited

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<v Speaker 1>our quicks, Henry Bold magnificently. We caught them on the hot.

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<v Speaker 1>And now we're going to get our asses handed to

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<v Speaker 1>us in Pune. And quite the contrary, we solidified even more.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the face of that, Dylan Cleaver, the Indians

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<v Speaker 1>crumbled that their first innings batting display was woeful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and let me just say, like if I had

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<v Speaker 2>gone to a darkness retreat rather than Vietnam and I

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<v Speaker 2>popped out of the darkness retreat and someone had told me, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're off to one KDI for the third Test. As

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<v Speaker 2>a dead rubber, I would have gone, oh, yeah, of

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<v Speaker 2>course it is, yeah, bigger, yes you too, nil down,

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<v Speaker 2>let's hope we can save some face in Mumbai. But

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<v Speaker 2>instead it's just been a series of extraordinary days of cricket.

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<v Speaker 2>As Paul mentioned and yourself, it's not just the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that we caught in here on the hop and that

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<v Speaker 2>first Test maybe got a little bit lucky with their conditions.

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<v Speaker 2>Were still bloody well outplayed them, yes, no matter. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it was Rowit that won the toss and chose

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<v Speaker 2>to bat. We completely outplayed them. We played brilliantly. There

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<v Speaker 2>we go to Pune and they have scrubbed the wicket

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<v Speaker 2>at both ends, like they have literally handmade that wicket

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<v Speaker 2>for home town strengths. Yeah, we've won the toss, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's only one part of it. We've then gone on

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought maybe two five nine from being in

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<v Speaker 2>a reasonable position was maybe forty to fifty run sure

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<v Speaker 2>too light, Yes, but yeah, I mean we all saw

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<v Speaker 2>Mitch Santa coming from mile the way, didn't we.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, come on, come on, well.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, you know because I I've been going through it

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<v Speaker 1>in my head because we've talked about the side a lot, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>and my thought was, where where has this come from?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I don't understand what the hell's happening. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to make a reference, actually, Paul forward to that first

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<v Speaker 1>Test match and that for our first innings when we

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<v Speaker 1>were bowling. One of the things that I think was

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<v Speaker 1>a vast improvement and one of the things that we

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<v Speaker 1>used to be known for was our fielding and the

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<v Speaker 1>field the catching in that first innings of that first

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<v Speaker 1>Test was exceptional.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, I agree, and it had been shoddy in

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<v Speaker 5>Sri Lanka. Yes, it's the best way to describe it.

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<v Speaker 4>I think. Yeah, we were we caught.

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<v Speaker 5>I think there was one one missed chance I think

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<v Speaker 5>in that in that first innings. But yeah, when you

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<v Speaker 5>get when you're getting teams out for forty six, you're

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<v Speaker 5>taking a lot of catches, you know, let's be honest.

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<v Speaker 4>It was yeah, thank god.

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<v Speaker 5>Because it was inexplicable that it had got so bad

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<v Speaker 5>the fielding, so yeah, wonderful, wonderful to see that come

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<v Speaker 5>back in. But that was only one of the facets

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<v Speaker 5>that we were dominantant right Debating at the bowling as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I I want to ask you this question because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with the change of captaincy, we were kind of,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we knew it was going to be lathamers.

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<v Speaker 1>I happen to think that Latham's a pretty good skipper.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's kind of he strikes me as a

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<v Speaker 1>no nonsense, doesn't get too wound up about stuff. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think Paul, you know, because he's usually been a

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<v Speaker 1>fill in scapper and now he's actually legitimately got you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the captaincy. How much of an influence do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that was in terms of our performance? Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>there has been a change of direction under him?

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<v Speaker 5>It's an interesting one and I've heard some speculation about this,

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<v Speaker 5>and I guess I don't really think a hell of

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<v Speaker 5>a lot was done differently. Frankly, I think that if

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<v Speaker 5>you put South and his captain, if you put Santner

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<v Speaker 5>and his captain, if you put Conway in as captain,

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<v Speaker 5>if you put Mitchell and as captain, you know or Latham,

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<v Speaker 5>you're going to end up with I think roughly about

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<v Speaker 5>the same. You've got the same resources as the same coaches.

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<v Speaker 5>I reckon the same general approach to how you win

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<v Speaker 5>Test cricket and so yeah, I'm not sure. I think

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<v Speaker 5>that maybe the strength of this team is that they

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<v Speaker 5>are all kind of come at it the same way.

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<v Speaker 5>The exception would probably be someone like glennhillips 'm not

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<v Speaker 5>quite sure what you'd get there, but yeah, look I

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<v Speaker 5>don't I don't think it was noticeable the shift, to

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<v Speaker 5>be honest now.

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<v Speaker 2>Because when Saudi was captain, Latham was frequently in his ear.

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<v Speaker 2>I noticed Saudi was frequently in Latham's ear. Caine obviously

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<v Speaker 2>not on this Indian tour, but chipping in from mid off,

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<v Speaker 2>I think there is one of the readers to my

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<v Speaker 2>bounced substack made a really good point actually, which I

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<v Speaker 2>want to get you guys thoughts on, because I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's I think he worded it very well. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to get a perfect but I'll paraphrase that. Clearly,

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<v Speaker 2>the team has moved and changed since the World Test

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<v Speaker 2>Championship through natural attrition and guys going off and doing

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<v Speaker 2>the T twenty circuit.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's still those three or four.

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<v Speaker 2>Senior guys around the team, and guys like Daryl Mitchell

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<v Speaker 2>that were coming into that environment before they won the

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<v Speaker 2>World Test Championship. That have that team culture DNA baked

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<v Speaker 2>into them. So sure they might not be as strong

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<v Speaker 2>an eleven now as they were back in those days,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's still enough tough cricketers.

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<v Speaker 3>There's enough cricketers that know how to win tough games.

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<v Speaker 2>They might not do it frequently as frequently as we'd like,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's still there. There's still a really good team culture.

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<v Speaker 2>There's still a really selfless team culture. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>we saw the selflessness of the way we battered in

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<v Speaker 2>those games, like people going out there and reverse sweeping

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<v Speaker 2>first ball highers shot not worried about their stats, but

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<v Speaker 2>all they know is that this is our plan. We've

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<v Speaker 2>got to put the Indian spinners off early. And it worked,

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<v Speaker 2>even if a couple of them looks silly from time

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<v Speaker 2>to time, and I think that's a really important part

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<v Speaker 2>of it. I'm not denigrating what Tom Nathan did at all,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think he's you know, you go to India,

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<v Speaker 2>you will do something no other New Zealand Skippers done.

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<v Speaker 2>You've done a magnificent job. But I think it is

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<v Speaker 2>more about the DNA of that team rather than specific

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<v Speaker 2>detailed tactics on the day. Although I think they got

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<v Speaker 2>them really well, and Gary Steed's got to get some

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<v Speaker 2>credit for that. And on that subject, actually got a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of correspondence. Sure if I could read to you

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<v Speaker 2>from Simon, and it's very well written correspondence, she says.

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<v Speaker 2>In the year sixteen hundred, Italian cyclist scientist, sorry cyclist scientists,

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<v Speaker 2>Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake by the Roman

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<v Speaker 2>Catholic Church for stating, among other things, that the Earth

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<v Speaker 2>was not the center of the universe, but in fact

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<v Speaker 2>one of several planets that revolve around the Sun would

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<v Speaker 2>burn and Gary Stead at the stake, as Jason Hoyt

0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:27.880
<v Speaker 2>has been proposing for about two years now, have been

0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:30.080
<v Speaker 2>an era of the same magnitude.

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<v Speaker 3>Love your work, guys, Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Hang on, I take issue with that. It was you

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:37.760
<v Speaker 1>two that were bagging stead all the time. I said,

0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:41.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, steady as she goes steady, I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Um yeah, interesting. And we certainly had a plan against

0:24:47.359 --> 0:24:51.600
<v Speaker 1>the Indian spinners, and that was very plane to say.

0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:52.320
<v Speaker 3>It was a good plan.

0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:54.720
<v Speaker 1>And it was a good plan, you know. And funnily enough,

0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Washington Sunda, who I got seven to four in that

0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:01.199
<v Speaker 1>first innings, I thought initially was the least threatening of

0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:04.080
<v Speaker 1>the Indian bowlers paul Ford, but he was the one

0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:07.399
<v Speaker 1>that toppled us in the end.

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:10.440
<v Speaker 3>Probably the one we planned for least too.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I was.

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<v Speaker 5>Gonna say it was a gutsy selection and they've got

0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 5>x Sharpetel sitting in there.

0:25:15.240 --> 0:25:15.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it was.

0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:18.400
<v Speaker 5>He was in the squad for the first Test. Then

0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:20.159
<v Speaker 5>they brought Sunder in for the second Test and they

0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:23.159
<v Speaker 5>put Sunder ahead of act Shapatel, which just sort of

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:26.200
<v Speaker 5>seemed bizarre. And I saw all sorts of criticism in

0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 5>the Indian papers about that decision. Well that was vindicated

0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:34.120
<v Speaker 5>as well, I'd suggest. Yes, Sunda was, yeah, superb, but.

0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:37.960
<v Speaker 4>It was only the second best bowler in the match. Unbelievable.

0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's look at the New Zealand badding there. You know,

0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Conways received a fair amount of criticism from Oscus's forms

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 1>not been greatful quite some time, and watching him bad

0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:58.360
<v Speaker 1>against Bumra is painful. It's a painful experience because him

0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:01.280
<v Speaker 1>mainly Yeah, and it's just like he has no clue

0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:04.359
<v Speaker 1>here of what the hell's going on, but he fought

0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:08.240
<v Speaker 1>through it. Seventy odd Ratch and Revenger.

0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:10.200
<v Speaker 4>I mean, we knew.

0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:14.280
<v Speaker 1>This guy was good. But Dylan, he has just really

0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:16.720
<v Speaker 1>stepped up and just looks a class act.

0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, givin Conway, I would describe it as willed himself

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:23.439
<v Speaker 2>to seventy, Yes, whereas Ratch and glided his way to

0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:24.240
<v Speaker 2>sixty four.

0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:26.360
<v Speaker 1>It was like a completely different match when he came

0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:26.959
<v Speaker 1>into player.

0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, it's yeah Conway, I think I've mentioned

0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:33.800
<v Speaker 2>it so often now it's almost become a cliche. But

0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 2>he's just become this enigma at the crease where you

0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:38.159
<v Speaker 2>get him a bit of whipped outside of stump and

0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:40.120
<v Speaker 2>he looks like the best player in the world. Yes,

0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:42.880
<v Speaker 2>you tack him up on his thighs and he looks

0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:43.520
<v Speaker 2>like a clubby.

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:48.600
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's just bizarre. But look, he's making a word

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:49.800
<v Speaker 3>for him at the moment.

0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 2>He got those cheap runs at the end of the

0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:55.200
<v Speaker 2>Street Ancor series which held him in good stead. He's

0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:58.560
<v Speaker 2>made vital contributions in both tests now, so I think

0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:01.720
<v Speaker 2>we can lay off dev yeah totally for a little while.

0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 2>We'll give me a couple of test grace Like Tom

0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:08.359
<v Speaker 2>Lathan was the one that I was really concerned about, Yes,

0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:11.560
<v Speaker 2>and he ends up playing the pivotal winnings of the

0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 2>match that second innings, eighty six was just incredibly vital.

0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:18.199
<v Speaker 2>This is a team that had fallen for about what

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:22.320
<v Speaker 2>eighty something to spin in Sri Lanka the Test series.

0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:25.640
<v Speaker 2>There another kind of one hundred, one hundred and ten

0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:29.000
<v Speaker 2>all out in India. Right back in that match, Tom

0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Lathan took it away from them with eighty six, which

0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:34.200
<v Speaker 2>I've been thinking in my head, where does it rank

0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:38.840
<v Speaker 2>in the list of New Zealand Tests innings overseas. I've

0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:41.920
<v Speaker 2>probably got great Batch number one with one four six

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:43.760
<v Speaker 2>not out at the Whacker that.

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:46.080
<v Speaker 3>And this is only the Test that I've seen.

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 2>Obviously, I can't go back to Martin Dunnley getting a

0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:52.639
<v Speaker 2>double ten at Lord's or you know Stwey Dempster scoring

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:54.560
<v Speaker 2>one hundred against England at the Base and all that

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 2>sort of thing. I can only judge what I see,

0:27:56.840 --> 0:27:58.680
<v Speaker 2>but I probably got great Batch still.

0:27:58.520 --> 0:27:59.200
<v Speaker 3>At number one.

0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:02.399
<v Speaker 2>Maybe Williamson's one hundred and forty at the Gabba was

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:06.199
<v Speaker 2>a utter masterpiece. Crow one eight eight at the Gabba

0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:11.159
<v Speaker 2>and then Latham eighty six and Pune is right up there.

0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 2>It's probably right up there with Ken's eighty at the

0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:17.560
<v Speaker 2>Oval and that series we won in England when he

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:21.600
<v Speaker 2>came in at thirty nine for six and smashed eighty.

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:24.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you guys got other ones. McCallum

0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:27.359
<v Speaker 2>two hundred and two at Shajah and the Phil Hughes

0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:33.719
<v Speaker 2>test was pretty special. But yeah, it's I rate it

0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:37.679
<v Speaker 2>so highly. I just think it was the epitome of

0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:39.120
<v Speaker 2>a captain's knocket.

0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:42.240
<v Speaker 1>Totally and I think you're right. Image Yeah, I'm just

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 1>choking to dear slowly and I think you're totally right.

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 1>I think it took the game away from India. That

0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 1>was a decisive innings. And it's curious Paul Forward, because

0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:58.680
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to Tom Latham, I never really feel

0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:02.160
<v Speaker 1>like he's out of form for me. He's a pretty solid,

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:06.400
<v Speaker 1>no nonsense kind of player, but he, you know, he

0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:09.120
<v Speaker 1>wasn't getting the scores and that was a crucial not

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 1>from the scapper.

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, defensive masterclass and looked upon very very favorably by

0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 5>people that were at the ground as well, sort of saying,

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:23.719
<v Speaker 5>you know, it was really bloody difficult conditions and incredible,

0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:28.840
<v Speaker 5>you know, an incredibly frustrating innings to be receiving. To

0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:32.160
<v Speaker 5>be on the other end of Yeah, Yeah, I'm not sure.

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:34.880
<v Speaker 5>I guess The thing is with Latham, doesn't really feel

0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 5>like there's anyone sort of beating down the door, so

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:39.800
<v Speaker 5>he probably hasn't felt massively under pressure. And you do

0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 5>get the sense that he would come right, particularly when

0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:47.080
<v Speaker 5>we get back to New Zealand, but certainly been a

0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:49.200
<v Speaker 5>long long time between drinks for him.

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:51.600
<v Speaker 3>And it's had a problem that he's not under pressure.

0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Though, is that maybe has complacency crept in He doesn't

0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:58.720
<v Speaker 2>appear to be the sort of individual that would get complacent,

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:02.000
<v Speaker 2>But no, we're talking two years without a ton twenty

0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 2>nine innings and averaging less than thirty in that time.

0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, maybe it goes back to that question

0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:11.760
<v Speaker 5>that jaysusked. You know, maybe the burden of the captaincy

0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 5>is kind of the reverse for him and it's made him,

0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:17.200
<v Speaker 5>I don't know, knuckle down or or maybe you just

0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:17.720
<v Speaker 5>had some luck.

0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:19.280
<v Speaker 4>I don't know. It didn't feel like a lucky innings.

0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 4>They did it and it was gretty and gutsy.

0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:28.440
<v Speaker 1>It was a terrific knock and I just wanted to

0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:30.560
<v Speaker 1>make the point that yesay, his form has been bad,

0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 1>but I never get the he strikes me as a

0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:38.280
<v Speaker 1>very no nonsense, non hysterical kind of player who is

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:42.120
<v Speaker 1>a very professional kind of cricketer. You go through trots,

0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:44.480
<v Speaker 1>you just keep going, you just keep working at your game.

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 1>I just want to get your because you're a big

0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:49.400
<v Speaker 1>fan of know Paul Forward. Just how good has Ratch

0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:57.760
<v Speaker 1>and Ravendra been? Because you know, he just looks poised out.

0:30:57.840 --> 0:31:01.400
<v Speaker 1>He looked class all the way through that series so far.

0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:06.760
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, a couple of sublime knocks really and yeah, like

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 5>I just love watching him bad. He's turning into the

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:13.000
<v Speaker 5>guy that you you know, you check the batting order

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 5>and you're desperate to get in front of the television

0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 5>when you know that he's come in because you know

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:18.600
<v Speaker 5>it's going to be something glorious to watch.

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:19.479
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:23.920
<v Speaker 5>As we've said before, not many players in New Zealand

0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 5>have spent as much time in Indian conditions as Ratch

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:29.600
<v Speaker 5>and Revenger. And he really does feel like he feels

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:33.560
<v Speaker 5>very at home over there, and yeah, amazing. I think

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 5>he's top of the batting stats in the series to date.

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:39.760
<v Speaker 5>That does not happen very often if you're an overseas player.

0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:45.520
<v Speaker 5>I think there's guys like Alistair Cook and Steve's Smith

0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:49.719
<v Speaker 5>when they're going through these miraculous. Yeah, he's been absolutely

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:52.440
<v Speaker 5>instrumental in both of those Test victories with those runs,

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:55.040
<v Speaker 5>particularly in the actence of absence of Williamson, and again

0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:58.479
<v Speaker 5>feels like maybe the gap that Williamson has left has

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:02.440
<v Speaker 5>left some space, shifted the pressure onto the shoulders of

0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 5>guys like Lathan and Riven during it's played into New

0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 5>Zealand tens.

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:07.880
<v Speaker 1>And I just want to just ship in terms of

0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 1>our batsman, to shout out to will Young, you know,

0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:14.000
<v Speaker 1>good steering us home in that first Test match. It

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:16.520
<v Speaker 1>was a it was a really courageous not and I

0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:18.520
<v Speaker 1>was so stoked for him. I was more stoked for

0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 1>him than anyone else actually. And he's looking solid, he's

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:24.320
<v Speaker 1>looking good, and even you know, the Indian commentators are going,

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:27.479
<v Speaker 1>why the hell is this guy's average only twenty six,

0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, and he's been up and down the order,

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 1>He's been dropped, he's been out, he's been in, he's

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:34.960
<v Speaker 1>been out, he's been up and down. So I'm really

0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:40.320
<v Speaker 1>really well, yeah, you know, and I was stoked for him.

0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Now let's focus on the bowling and Santner, who is

0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 1>not a Test match bowler according to Ian Smith, according

0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 1>to most of us, Yeah, yeah, which which just surprised

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:55.880
<v Speaker 1>me because I felt that Mitchell Santner has been bowling

0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 1>quite well of late. Why is that? Why isn't he

0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:04.680
<v Speaker 1>succeeded in that front on the Test match level? Paul Dylan?

0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:05.160
<v Speaker 2>What? What?

0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:07.080
<v Speaker 1>What? What's the reason for that?

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 2>Maybe because others are seen as better, bigger turners of

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:13.240
<v Speaker 2>the ball and better options overseas, so he kind of

0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:17.880
<v Speaker 2>gets the home Kish condition the Test because of his

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 2>handy batting and the fact that he's really good at

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:24.479
<v Speaker 2>tennis and golf and darts and things like that. So

0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 2>but I mean, just the I mean, the shit and

0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 2>probability of this victory is just summed up by two things.

0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 2>You've mentioned that Mitchell santon is the key bowler. He

0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:36.960
<v Speaker 2>took twenty percent of his Test wickets in three point

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:42.960
<v Speaker 2>five percent of his Tests, Like that's that's insanity. And

0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 2>the fact that Kaan Williamson was absent, so our best

0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:49.320
<v Speaker 2>player by a country mile is not there. And Mitchell

0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:54.240
<v Speaker 2>Santa is just boldest to victory in India. It's Yeah,

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:58.760
<v Speaker 2>if you're not scratching your head about that, then you

0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:01.720
<v Speaker 2>know there's something wrong with it. But he what suited

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:03.880
<v Speaker 2>him him and Sunda were the tallest spinners.

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, quite tall.

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he is very tall, but he bodies annoying.

0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:12.320
<v Speaker 2>He bowls more darty and flat, whereas Sunda and Santanna,

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 2>with the growing up in white ball cricket, had more

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:21.360
<v Speaker 2>had different arm trajectories, They had different revolutions on the ball,

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:25.520
<v Speaker 2>different arts, and as it turned out, tall spinners who

0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:28.480
<v Speaker 2>bowl with a bit of loop were twice as effective

0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 2>as your more darting spinners, which normally is the way

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:31.800
<v Speaker 2>to go in India.

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:32.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, the slow of the delivery, the more

0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 1>difficult it was, wasn't it. It was those guys that were

0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:41.120
<v Speaker 1>darting it in that didn't have quite the same success.

0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were betting the bat, but only on the

0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 2>outside of Yes, they weren't a triple threat.

0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Was And I loved Santner's variation. Paul Forward. I believe

0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 1>that was the third best bowling of a New Zealand

0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:57.200
<v Speaker 1>bowler in Test history.

0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 3>You had Lepatel Santana.

0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:04.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, but she's talk about a surprise and maybe

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:11.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, do you think that Santana will go on

0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:14.839
<v Speaker 1>from there? That will really give him some confidence?

0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:20.359
<v Speaker 5>Yes, I do actually, Yeah, as you say, third best

0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:23.560
<v Speaker 5>bowling figures for New Zealand also the third best bowling

0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:26.360
<v Speaker 5>figures in India of all time behind aj S Battel

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:31.320
<v Speaker 5>and unbelievable bowling performance from Ian both of them. I

0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:33.400
<v Speaker 5>think it was a nineteen eighty when he scored our

0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:35.920
<v Speaker 5>century as well. I don't even think this was on TV.

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:38.400
<v Speaker 5>And this was one of those series where him and

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 5>Derek Underwood would go out and get wasted at the

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:43.319
<v Speaker 5>pub and then he would turn up and he went

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:45.120
<v Speaker 5>out with a couple of journals. The journos didn't make

0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:46.640
<v Speaker 5>it to the media box the next day, and both

0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:49.520
<v Speaker 5>of them out there hitting a century after drinking brandy,

0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 5>and he was saying that he at one point he

0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:53.839
<v Speaker 5>made the journalist stand on a table, eat a piece

0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:57.759
<v Speaker 5>of chicken, drink some brandy and recite part of the

0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 5>Gideon's Bible and he fell off the table. So possibly,

0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:03.120
<v Speaker 5>I don't know if that's how Santa celebrated, but yeah,

0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:07.720
<v Speaker 5>look it was sensational and yeah, changes of pace gutsy

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 5>as well. You know, like when he was starting to

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:12.080
<v Speaker 5>get bomb for a couple of six as he was

0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:16.719
<v Speaker 5>slowing his bowling down, which I thought was just fantastic,

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:19.880
<v Speaker 5>showed that that confidence had already come through. Yeah, changes

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:23.239
<v Speaker 5>of angle. You mentioned his height, Yeah, really did it

0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:26.799
<v Speaker 5>encourage got the batsmen into those indecisive positions, and they

0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:29.839
<v Speaker 5>were prodding and not quite sure about where Well they

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 5>knew where the ball was going to be, but they

0:36:31.040 --> 0:36:33.560
<v Speaker 5>didn't know exactly what it was going to do. Absolutely

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:38.000
<v Speaker 5>superb And I love that little period where Pant and

0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:42.400
<v Speaker 5>Coali were together in the second innings and there's a

0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 5>runout and who's at the end of the runout none

0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:48.160
<v Speaker 5>other than Santana massive hair ruffles, and then pretty soon

0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:52.359
<v Speaker 5>after he gets Coli out ow we w in a raging, tantrum,

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:54.240
<v Speaker 5>sensational little period.

0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:55.719
<v Speaker 4>I just thought it was magic. I loved it.

0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:56.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 2>I loved the batter with Joe's well too. I mean

0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:02.160
<v Speaker 2>that was just a let cricket. And how good is

0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:02.520
<v Speaker 2>that kid?

0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:02.919
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Shit, he's good. Hey he is. He's like a prince

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:10.160
<v Speaker 1>out there, you know what I mean. And he smacked

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:12.680
<v Speaker 1>that sex that he had off Salvi was it the

0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:13.279
<v Speaker 1>second ball?

0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:15.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just went, oh, here we go, it's bunkers.

0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:18.480
<v Speaker 1>That was an insane blow.

0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:22.960
<v Speaker 5>I was going to say, I think there's something interesting

0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:25.240
<v Speaker 5>about that as well, Like when Joseel got that seventy

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:26.879
<v Speaker 5>seven off sixty five, and then there was.

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:31.600
<v Speaker 4>The Judasia Ashwind partnership. I was I was worried. I was.

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:35.040
<v Speaker 5>I was genuinely worried because it just feels like in

0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 5>this series, India haven't really fired a shot with the

0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:41.719
<v Speaker 5>bat and I was just worried that they were going

0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:44.680
<v Speaker 5>to do one of those horrible come from behind victories

0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 5>and all that sort of thing.

0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:47.120
<v Speaker 4>Yes, I've been thinking about it.

0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:49.440
<v Speaker 5>And Dylan, I think you asked whether the reverse you

0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:52.880
<v Speaker 5>were talking about whether the reverse sweep was the kryptonite

0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:56.239
<v Speaker 5>to the Indian attack, and I'm sure you've got some

0:37:56.280 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 5>thoughts on that. But I actually reckon that the kryptonite

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:03.759
<v Speaker 5>in this series is the fact that New Zealand is

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:06.240
<v Speaker 5>a really hard team to hate. I reckon the Indians

0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 5>are distracted by some of the IPL draft stuff going on.

0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:12.440
<v Speaker 5>I reckon that all the speculation is around who's going

0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:13.960
<v Speaker 5>to be picked in their squad to go to the

0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:17.320
<v Speaker 5>border Gavasca series in Australia, and I just reckon they've

0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:20.440
<v Speaker 5>just they've looked listless, they've looked a bit disinterested, a

0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:24.279
<v Speaker 5>bit distracted, and I think New Zealand being a really

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:26.799
<v Speaker 5>hard team to hate, makes it really hard for India

0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.520
<v Speaker 5>to get pumped up to play us, and it's worked beautifully.

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:33.560
<v Speaker 1>You know. Just on that front, listless, not particularly interested,

0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:37.120
<v Speaker 1>sort of distracted. You know, who's sort of who I've

0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:39.640
<v Speaker 1>been watching? Who I was watching in that test series,

0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:46.360
<v Speaker 1>No Judasia. He seems to be having a good old time.

0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:50.240
<v Speaker 1>He looks like he doesn't really care, and he's joking

0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:52.480
<v Speaker 1>away and laughing and having a good time. But I

0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:55.080
<v Speaker 1>think that's a really fair point. Let me put it

0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:58.280
<v Speaker 1>to you both very quickly. Our greatest ever test series factory,

0:38:58.480 --> 0:38:59.080
<v Speaker 1>I think it is.

0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:01.719
<v Speaker 2>I think the two one against Australia and eighty five

0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:05.479
<v Speaker 2>has always been held up as the benchmark. But look,

0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:08.800
<v Speaker 2>I love that series. Had He was amazing, That was brilliant.

0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:11.200
<v Speaker 2>Crowe was just starting to show how great a player

0:39:11.239 --> 0:39:13.480
<v Speaker 2>he was going to be. But it was a this

0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:17.640
<v Speaker 2>week Australian team. It really was. Hilditch, Robbie Kerr, Greg

0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Richie Dave Gilbert, Bob holland the Simon I've done. All

0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:23.200
<v Speaker 2>these guys are never going to go down as great

0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:28.799
<v Speaker 2>Australian players. Kepler vessels, this is a as listless and

0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:32.239
<v Speaker 2>as negative body languages row it might have displayed over

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:37.600
<v Speaker 2>the last couple of tests. This is a Bollywood Indian side.

0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:41.840
<v Speaker 2>They are superstars. So this for me goes ahead of

0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:47.040
<v Speaker 2>Australia and probably the England one Light six is there

0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:49.799
<v Speaker 2>are thereabouts too, but this one for me is is

0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:51.640
<v Speaker 2>the gold standard now here here.

0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 1>I agree Paul Ford.

0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:56.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, like I I'm trying to think about the series

0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:58.640
<v Speaker 5>that really kind of captured my imagination, which is maybe

0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:01.399
<v Speaker 5>not the perfect kind of way of judging it, but yeah,

0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:03.719
<v Speaker 5>that England versus New Zealand and nineteen ninety nine when

0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:05.680
<v Speaker 5>England thought they were going to Polverize, I said, we were,

0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:09.279
<v Speaker 5>you know, this young upstart team that basically went over

0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:12.319
<v Speaker 5>there and pulled off a miracle. So yeah, that ninety nine. Yeah,

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:15.560
<v Speaker 5>those two series in eighty five eighty six, definitely massive,

0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:18.800
<v Speaker 5>massive memories. I don't know if it counts as a series,

0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:20.920
<v Speaker 5>but the World Test Championship wins that a series.

0:40:21.000 --> 0:40:21.759
<v Speaker 4>Maybe not now.

0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:25.560
<v Speaker 1>So bad nonsense, Now that is the peak.

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:28.000
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's not a sta Yeah.

0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 5>So, but I was going to say a couple of

0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:33.520
<v Speaker 5>honorable mentions. One Nel versus Pakistan in nineteen sixty nine.

0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:35.640
<v Speaker 5>That was the first day of a series win. We've

0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:38.200
<v Speaker 5>been trying to win a Test series for forty years.

0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:41.480
<v Speaker 5>We'd lost thirty series in a row. That was quite

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:43.160
<v Speaker 5>a good one, just to chuck it in the mix.

0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:45.440
<v Speaker 5>And the other one is the honorable mention has to

0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:48.000
<v Speaker 5>go to the series was it in the I'm trying

0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:50.000
<v Speaker 5>to remember what year it was. It was like nineteen

0:40:50.040 --> 0:40:53.279
<v Speaker 5>sixty nine as well, the Hidley Howarth series when we

0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:56.279
<v Speaker 5>were up, we were up in the Test match and

0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:58.640
<v Speaker 5>then it rained. It was seventy India was seventy eight

0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:02.200
<v Speaker 5>for seven chasing two hundred and sixty eight and.

0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:04.319
<v Speaker 4>The groundsman just forgot to come to work that day.

0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:07.680
<v Speaker 5>Graham Dowling was out there mopping water off the covers

0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:08.440
<v Speaker 5>with his socks.

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:10.240
<v Speaker 4>I mean, yeah, yeah.

0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:13.720
<v Speaker 1>Um, all right, so let's go to the third Test.

0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Who cares? Really, we're already one. But the Indians will

0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:23.280
<v Speaker 1>be shitting themselves are I can only imagine Dylan Cleaver,

0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 1>the press they're getting at the moment, and the Indians

0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:30.600
<v Speaker 1>will be panicking.

0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:32.360
<v Speaker 2>With us starting to talk about this Indian team like

0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:36.560
<v Speaker 2>we've been talking about this New Zealand team since WTC.

0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Are some of those rock stars starting to show their

0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:44.880
<v Speaker 2>creases a little bit euro it's your Vera Coley's Jadejah Ashwyn.

0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Is it time to phase them out and bring in

0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:51.760
<v Speaker 2>the next crop of talents. And let's face it, India

0:41:51.840 --> 0:41:56.400
<v Speaker 2>have probably got about a thousand yes.

0:41:57.280 --> 0:41:59.160
<v Speaker 3>Parachutes straight into this team.

0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:01.920
<v Speaker 2>And they would be testing quality standard, so they're getting

0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:03.200
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of that. But do you know how

0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:05.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm hardwired at the moment with this New Zealand team.

0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm still hardwired to expect them to go to Mumbai

0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:13.279
<v Speaker 2>and get their pants pulled down at k same and

0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:15.840
<v Speaker 2>if they don't, then I'm still going to be pleasantly

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:17.879
<v Speaker 2>surprised and I'm going to be in here next week.

0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:20.920
<v Speaker 3>Can you believe it? Can you believe they didn't get

0:42:21.000 --> 0:42:22.480
<v Speaker 3>absolutely monstered by India?

0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Again, mate, I am exactly the same. I think the

0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 1>rage of India is going to come pounding down on us.

0:42:31.520 --> 0:42:34.400
<v Speaker 1>But also conversely, and I think this is what happened

0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:36.880
<v Speaker 1>a little bit on the second Test, a pull forward.

0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:39.839
<v Speaker 1>The pressure is all on them and we just need

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:43.000
<v Speaker 1>to keep playing our game and keep doing what we're doing.

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:43.960
<v Speaker 1>The pressure is all on.

0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:49.359
<v Speaker 5>Them totally, totally, and look, India, it's extraordinary that we're

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:51.800
<v Speaker 5>talking about. Can New Zealand pull off a Test series

0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:53.720
<v Speaker 5>whitewash against India?

0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:54.320
<v Speaker 4>And India?

0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:56.960
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I can't even believe that the words are coming,

0:42:57.040 --> 0:42:59.160
<v Speaker 5>are spilling out beyond my teeth that I'm saying that.

0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:02.520
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's just I just had a quick look.

0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:05.160
<v Speaker 5>The only time India have ever lost every match of

0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:07.400
<v Speaker 5>a series that's gone for more than one Test at

0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:10.880
<v Speaker 5>home with a nineteen ninety nine two thousand when that

0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:15.399
<v Speaker 5>was against South Africa. So wow's da let's dare to dream.

0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:18.640
<v Speaker 5>I do note that the groundsman has said that he's

0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:24.600
<v Speaker 5>put a sporting pitch in place, so expect a rank

0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:30.400
<v Speaker 5>turn a sporting as one of those euphemistic doesn't it

0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:31.080
<v Speaker 5>which so.

0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:33.440
<v Speaker 4>Can?

0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:36.319
<v Speaker 2>I also just know that Cain Williamson will not be there.

0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:39.160
<v Speaker 2>There was some hope that he'd fly out and join

0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:42.839
<v Speaker 2>the squad for either the second or third Test. Gary

0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Steed said that Kane continues to show good signs but

0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:48.920
<v Speaker 2>isn't quite ready to jump on a plane and join us.

0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:50.880
<v Speaker 3>Well, things are looking promising.

0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:52.920
<v Speaker 2>We think the best course of action is for him

0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:54.960
<v Speaker 2>to stay in New Zealand and focus on the final

0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:57.040
<v Speaker 2>part of his rehab. So he'll be good to go

0:43:57.160 --> 0:43:59.960
<v Speaker 2>for England the first testingain Seguence about a month away.

0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Do you know what I reckon? I reckon Kine would

0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:06.360
<v Speaker 2>have been reluctant to go, just because he would have

0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:11.759
<v Speaker 2>felt slightly fraudulent's the wrong word and possibly defamatory. But

0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:15.879
<v Speaker 2>you know, Caine said sort of go. That's so over

0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:19.440
<v Speaker 2>the top, modest and humble that he thought he might

0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:22.239
<v Speaker 2>have thought that people felt he was gate crashing on

0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:25.719
<v Speaker 2>someone else's success. So I reckon he's probably good to go.

0:44:26.200 --> 0:44:29.600
<v Speaker 2>He just thought those guys have done it and why

0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:30.879
<v Speaker 2>not just take an extra break?

0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:31.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. The World Test Cricket Championship points table India a

0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:39.399
<v Speaker 1>top sixty two point eight two points, Australia second, Sri

0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Lanka third, News in a fourth ten Test matches, five wins,

0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:50.440
<v Speaker 1>five losses fifty percent best New Zealand. Can you end

0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:54.120
<v Speaker 1>up on as an utterly improbable sixty four percent?

0:44:54.920 --> 0:44:55.480
<v Speaker 4>India have a.

0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Five match series in Australia, so they could suffer South

0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Africa in a strong position and against the Bangers, and

0:45:00.840 --> 0:45:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Bangers might actually be in pole position here. Paul Ford.

0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:08.120
<v Speaker 5>Yes, they've got basically I think they need four wins

0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:10.200
<v Speaker 5>in a drawer out of their remaining matches.

0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:12.480
<v Speaker 4>So they need it, They need a few things to

0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:15.400
<v Speaker 4>go their way. But yeah, so South Africa.

0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 5>Could storm through and have a bit of an underdog

0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:20.640
<v Speaker 5>in the final, which would be good. But yeah, look

0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:24.520
<v Speaker 5>it definitely adds another level of spice to the India

0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:25.560
<v Speaker 5>Australia series.

0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:26.439
<v Speaker 4>That's coming up in a few weeks.

0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's going to be so good.

0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:27.759
<v Speaker 4>Now.

0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:31.760
<v Speaker 1>England named their test squad to our fair Shaw's Ben Stokes,

0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:37.360
<v Speaker 1>the Skipper, Riehann Armored, Gus Atkinson, Shower, Bash Basher, Jacob

0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:41.920
<v Speaker 1>bethe Or, Harry Brook, Brydon Cass, Jordan Coxack Crawley, Ben

0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:44.759
<v Speaker 1>duck At, Jack Leech, Olie Pope, Matthew Pots, Joe Roote,

0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Ollie Stone, Chris Wokes.

0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:50.200
<v Speaker 3>I reckon England are there for the taking.

0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:52.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't have this, Oh god, I do not have

0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:56.719
<v Speaker 2>the same sense of trepidation as when they came out

0:45:56.920 --> 0:46:00.759
<v Speaker 2>here last time in the first flushes of basball. I'm

0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:04.920
<v Speaker 2>not saying they'd be found out, particularly although clearly we

0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:07.960
<v Speaker 2>can't produce the kind of wickets that Pakistan did that

0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:12.279
<v Speaker 2>enable them to overturn a you know one all down

0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:15.520
<v Speaker 2>and turned around to win to one. But there's some

0:46:15.680 --> 0:46:18.239
<v Speaker 2>pretty unproving guys in that lineup. Jordan Cox is going

0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:20.919
<v Speaker 2>to be the wicket keeper because their current wicker keeper

0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Jamie Smith is on opportunity leave for this series. There's

0:46:24.719 --> 0:46:29.280
<v Speaker 2>no Mark Wood. Ben Stakes looks a shadow of the cricketer.

0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:31.200
<v Speaker 2>And I know I'm tempting faate to you, but he

0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:33.440
<v Speaker 2>really does look like the shadow of a cricketer he

0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:37.280
<v Speaker 2>was when he first got the captain see Jack Leech

0:46:38.719 --> 0:46:43.439
<v Speaker 2>show Basher Arian armed. Are they a spin attack that's

0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:45.560
<v Speaker 2>going to trouble kan Williamson?

0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:48.040
<v Speaker 3>Well, not after we've what we've done in India and

0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:50.759
<v Speaker 3>home conditions. I don't necessarily think they are.

0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:57.120
<v Speaker 2>They are going to be heavily reliant on Duckett, Joe Root,

0:46:57.480 --> 0:47:02.719
<v Speaker 2>Harry Brook and guys like Ollie Stone and look a good,

0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:03.880
<v Speaker 2>very good cricketers.

0:47:04.640 --> 0:47:07.319
<v Speaker 3>But I'm not feeling the same sense of dread as

0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:07.800
<v Speaker 3>I was.

0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:14.200
<v Speaker 4>Olli Pope's out of form too, But yeah, I agree.

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:16.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean we've got cricketers out of form too, but

0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:21.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, hey, yeah, just on that front, just just

0:47:21.960 --> 0:47:25.080
<v Speaker 1>going right back to our side very briefly, are we

0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:29.600
<v Speaker 1>in agreement that Matt Henry is now our premiere stripe bowler.

0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Paul Ford. Yes, okay, good, followed by O'Rourke. I think

0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:38.520
<v Speaker 1>that's another thing. He's just been fantastic. Your thoughts on

0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:41.360
<v Speaker 1>the England side, Yeah, look.

0:47:41.280 --> 0:47:43.279
<v Speaker 4>I think it's going to be interesting to see.

0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:45.680
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, this guy Bethel is just one of these hunch

0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:48.839
<v Speaker 5>players that the England selectors have thrown in the Max

0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:52.800
<v Speaker 5>Born and Barbados has never scored a century in professional

0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:56.200
<v Speaker 5>cricket and he's been picked as a batsman. So absolute

0:47:56.560 --> 0:47:59.239
<v Speaker 5>roll of the dice there. Hopefully he's shit house. He's

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<v Speaker 5>got a terrible hair, bleached blonde Jose, you'd hate him.

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<v Speaker 4>They can tell.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, look, I think someone like Chris Wolkes is going

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<v Speaker 5>to be very good here in New Zealand. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>long may the poor form of Olipope and Ben Starkes continue. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I think absolutely what Dylan said that Brook and Rope

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<v Speaker 5>will do a lot of the heavy lifting. Joe Route

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<v Speaker 5>what he's been out here nine times, He's had sixteen bats,

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<v Speaker 5>he's scored two hundreds and averages fifty two point five.

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<v Speaker 4>Not bad, not bad at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, good stuff. I'll tell you what we're going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to take a quick break at this point

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<v Speaker 1>and come back in time for Dylan Cleavers. Who am I?

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back and it's time for Dylan Cleavers. Who am I?

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<v Speaker 1>It's Dylan Cleavers, who am I?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's been a while since i' dad and I

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<v Speaker 2>had to dig back in the memory banks to see

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<v Speaker 2>who it was, and thankfully we had a reader that

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<v Speaker 2>identified that it was Andy Roberts, who was an absolute

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<v Speaker 2>cult hero.

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<v Speaker 3>J I've got the name of the winner.

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<v Speaker 2>You've shut the name off this photo here, Paul. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's the ones that went all the time. Lucky,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it Lucky in his dad.

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<v Speaker 4>Lucky and his dad with the great Wanger.

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<v Speaker 2>Yea, it was Andy Roberts, not the antiguan Andy Robts,

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<v Speaker 2>but the very own Tierra born Andy Roberts, who was

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<v Speaker 2>an absolute Indy stalwart and who sadly passed away when

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<v Speaker 2>he had a heart attack well out on a run

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<v Speaker 2>in Wellington.

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<v Speaker 4>That is such bad luck.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean not that certainly the heart attack, but for sure,

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<v Speaker 5>but it's such bad luck to be a good cricketer

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<v Speaker 5>at international level. And there's another guy who's an absolute

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<v Speaker 5>worldy with the same name as you just to run

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<v Speaker 5>full interference on your whole career.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's what happened with ADG.

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<v Speaker 5>Roberts from Northern Districts and Anderson Montgomery Everton Roberts, the

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<v Speaker 5>ferocious Andy Roberts from the West Indies.

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<v Speaker 4>That's shit out.

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<v Speaker 2>Luck anyway, moving on to this week's Who Am I.

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<v Speaker 2>I was born into a cricketing family, with dad playing

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<v Speaker 2>seven first class matches, a number that would have been

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<v Speaker 2>likely higher were it not for a pesky global frakka

0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:25.040
<v Speaker 2>circle nineteen thirty nine to forty five. I had a

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<v Speaker 2>great uncle who also who umpired in Test cricket, and

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<v Speaker 2>a second cousin who played first class cricket and was

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<v Speaker 2>a tank driver in the not in the Great War,

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<v Speaker 2>in the Second World War and fought at Monte Casino.

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<v Speaker 2>Enough about them, though, I was a better cricketer by

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<v Speaker 2>some distance, having played close to two hundred first class matches,

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<v Speaker 2>with more than a quarter of them Tests. I'd beat

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<v Speaker 2>a well worn path through Auckland Grammar into the Test

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<v Speaker 2>team at a young age and was really challenged from

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<v Speaker 2>my spot in the middle order for the next decade plus.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a stroke maker, a blue eyed boy, wonder

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<v Speaker 2>who never quite fulfilled my potential. Though I played critical

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<v Speaker 2>roles in places like Pakistan and the West Indies during

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<v Speaker 2>New Zealand's ascent to cricket and credibility. My career ended

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<v Speaker 2>just as New Zealand's took off, and in some ways

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<v Speaker 2>I was superseded by another blue Eye Grammar boy. But

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<v Speaker 2>he never got to play against George Best, did he?

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<v Speaker 3>Who am I?

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<v Speaker 2>Ah?

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<v Speaker 1>Here you go? Very good? Send your answers to where

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Ford.

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<v Speaker 5>Flick as an email to b YC at Basebrigade dot

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<v Speaker 5>co dot Nz or slide into the DMS for the

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<v Speaker 5>Base Brigade or the Alternative Commentary collective on Instagram or facy.

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<v Speaker 1>Great staff mate. Now it's time for Paul Forward's Cricket

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<v Speaker 1>Violence Corner. Paul Forwards Cricket violence Corner.

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<v Speaker 5>Troubled Former Australian T twenty slogger Luke pomers Batch has

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<v Speaker 5>successfully pleaded for his freedom after facing prison for assaulting

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<v Speaker 5>a security guard who asked him if he had intended

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<v Speaker 5>buying anything at a Perth pharmacy. Pomasback reacted by punching

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<v Speaker 5>the worker twice in the chest and he fell over.

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<v Speaker 5>Back in two thousand and seven, he was the car

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<v Speaker 5>park call up kit the toast of Western Australian cricket

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<v Speaker 5>after blasting his way into international contention and getting pulled

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<v Speaker 5>out of the Whacker car park when he was at

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<v Speaker 5>the ground as a punter to make his Australian debut. Astonishingly,

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<v Speaker 5>he was currently banned from playing for Western Australia at

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<v Speaker 5>the time because of his drinking habits. Disciplinary issues continue

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<v Speaker 5>to plague Pomis Batch throughout his playing career, and it

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<v Speaker 5>got worse once his career was over. In twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 5>he was told he could be heading to prison for

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<v Speaker 5>a string of South Perth burglaries stolen golf clubs. No less,

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<v Speaker 5>he was then charged with the bizarre theft of an

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<v Speaker 5>electric scooter from a man who was pushing it along

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<v Speaker 5>a street in Como. Pomas Batch punched him, pinched the

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<v Speaker 5>scooter and then scarpeed. He was later stopped by police

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<v Speaker 5>later in the day with the scooter in the.

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<v Speaker 4>Back of his car.

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<v Speaker 1>God He received a.

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<v Speaker 5>Twelve month suspension for the latest incident, twelve months suspended,

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<v Speaker 5>eight month prison term and he was fined one thousand

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<v Speaker 5>dollars that will be into the pocket of the security guard.

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<v Speaker 4>He is also attending substance abuse counseling.

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<v Speaker 2>He sounds like another Perth sporting legend. Who's the AFL

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<v Speaker 2>guy who constantly ben cousins who constantly.

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<v Speaker 3>Got in trouble like that too? Yes, what is it

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<v Speaker 3>about Perth in Napier?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there you go New Zealand and the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the world. That's the end of our podcast today. What's

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<v Speaker 1>going on with the Bounce there, Dylan Cleaver.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bounces fired up the wheel again after after a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of an absence while overseas. Yeah, we're all over that.

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<v Speaker 2>Cricket and Pune. What a fantastic day and some of

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<v Speaker 2>the response I've got to that the piece I wrote

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<v Speaker 2>post Poune has been fantastic. So thank you all to

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<v Speaker 2>have jumped on board lately. Dylancleaver dot subsect dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>It's free good stuff mate. Well listen, thanks for taking

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<v Speaker 1>the time to listen to this podcast. We'll be back

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<v Speaker 1>same time, same place next week. Until then, we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>you later.