1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Seed b 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:15,173 Speaker 1: follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 3 00:00:15,333 --> 00:00:21,053 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. 4 00:00:23,333 --> 00:00:30,733 Speaker 2: It is out the test is over. Smike A bet 5 00:00:30,853 --> 00:00:32,933 Speaker 2: it is out here you guys. 6 00:00:33,013 --> 00:00:34,933 Speaker 3: This delivery has an used to. 7 00:00:34,973 --> 00:00:41,093 Speaker 4: Go on the front foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody, 8 00:00:41,413 --> 00:00:47,973 Speaker 4: powered by News Talks head b at iHeart Radio. 9 00:00:49,173 --> 00:00:49,413 Speaker 3: Hello. 10 00:00:49,613 --> 00:00:53,333 Speaker 2: Yes, it's that time again and it's on the front foot. 11 00:00:53,573 --> 00:00:56,413 Speaker 2: The black Cat gets to be tested again in the 12 00:00:56,453 --> 00:01:00,013 Speaker 2: T twenty arena with injuries limiting squad selections and the 13 00:01:00,053 --> 00:01:04,853 Speaker 2: Indian series. Our White Burns are still in semi final contention. 14 00:01:05,333 --> 00:01:08,173 Speaker 2: Just do we want to be part of the BBL 15 00:01:08,773 --> 00:01:12,493 Speaker 2: pros and cons for buying a franchise in the Australian competition. 16 00:01:13,173 --> 00:01:16,933 Speaker 2: And this week joining Jeremy Kaye and myself is the 17 00:01:16,973 --> 00:01:22,133 Speaker 2: President elect of Otago Cricket Warren kay Lee. 18 00:01:22,533 --> 00:01:26,893 Speaker 3: Wow. Well you can always you can always put up 19 00:01:26,893 --> 00:01:29,013 Speaker 3: with being the president because you only have that for 20 00:01:29,053 --> 00:01:31,813 Speaker 3: a fixed term, to be called the patron. You have 21 00:01:31,893 --> 00:01:35,093 Speaker 3: that for life. So I went to the president's job 22 00:01:35,133 --> 00:01:37,253 Speaker 3: at the stage. That's good. 23 00:01:38,013 --> 00:01:43,733 Speaker 5: I'm talking to two presidents of two different associations. I'm 24 00:01:43,773 --> 00:01:46,973 Speaker 5: going to I'm going to kneel throughout this podcast. 25 00:01:47,413 --> 00:01:51,333 Speaker 2: I'm concerned, Wally, We've got to find something that Jerry 26 00:01:51,373 --> 00:01:52,693 Speaker 2: can be a president of. 27 00:01:55,013 --> 00:01:57,453 Speaker 6: I don't wish to be. I don't wish to be. 28 00:01:59,613 --> 00:02:02,573 Speaker 3: The meetings would be short with Jeremy. 29 00:02:03,893 --> 00:02:05,013 Speaker 6: As he arrived late. 30 00:02:05,333 --> 00:02:10,653 Speaker 5: Yes, exactly, Yes, indeed, well, lobby, I look, I seriously 31 00:02:10,653 --> 00:02:11,373 Speaker 5: look forward to it. 32 00:02:11,373 --> 00:02:14,973 Speaker 3: It's two years and I've got six grandchildren, all of 33 00:02:15,013 --> 00:02:17,573 Speaker 3: the right age to go and watch cricket, so I'm 34 00:02:17,573 --> 00:02:20,813 Speaker 3: looking for an inland supply of free tickets. That's really 35 00:02:20,853 --> 00:02:22,173 Speaker 3: the main reason I took the job. 36 00:02:22,773 --> 00:02:25,813 Speaker 2: And we'll have a meeting of presidents. I think during 37 00:02:25,853 --> 00:02:29,253 Speaker 2: the season would be a good idea, probably in Queenstown 38 00:02:29,773 --> 00:02:32,053 Speaker 2: with the England cricket team at the moment. 39 00:02:33,373 --> 00:02:36,093 Speaker 3: Changed from having most New Zealand cricket meetings in christ 40 00:02:36,213 --> 00:02:37,213 Speaker 3: It wouldn't it really. 41 00:02:37,373 --> 00:02:42,093 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, England arrived in the country immediately headed the 42 00:02:42,173 --> 00:02:45,053 Speaker 2: Queenstown for four days. I presume it was a practice 43 00:02:45,333 --> 00:02:50,613 Speaker 2: campbell as both practice and golf. The team is led 44 00:02:50,653 --> 00:02:54,093 Speaker 2: by Harry Brook and of course he delivered the obligatory 45 00:02:54,253 --> 00:02:56,173 Speaker 2: platitudes on arrival and. 46 00:02:56,173 --> 00:02:58,893 Speaker 7: The opportunity to play cricket fee country and put on 47 00:02:58,933 --> 00:03:02,453 Speaker 7: the Three Lands is awesome. So I'm really looking forward 48 00:03:02,493 --> 00:03:05,053 Speaker 7: to the next couple of months. And yeah, obviously we've 49 00:03:05,053 --> 00:03:07,853 Speaker 7: got this this series against New Zealand first and then 50 00:03:08,413 --> 00:03:10,253 Speaker 7: the Ashes after that, so it's going to be a 51 00:03:10,333 --> 00:03:13,333 Speaker 7: very cool time. Yeah, they're obviously a very good side. 52 00:03:13,413 --> 00:03:17,173 Speaker 7: They've got miss Santner in that series, who's obviously a 53 00:03:17,253 --> 00:03:19,773 Speaker 7: vital part of their team. So I'm guessing he's going 54 00:03:19,813 --> 00:03:22,253 Speaker 7: to be coming back into the squad. He's a he's 55 00:03:22,293 --> 00:03:24,693 Speaker 7: a phenomenal player to be playing against. And yeah, there's 56 00:03:24,733 --> 00:03:26,853 Speaker 7: some some outstanding players there. So we're not going to 57 00:03:26,893 --> 00:03:29,453 Speaker 7: take any team lightly no matter who we're playing against, 58 00:03:29,453 --> 00:03:32,693 Speaker 7: and we're gonna go full foot of everyone. We always 59 00:03:32,693 --> 00:03:34,173 Speaker 7: want to be aggressive. We always wants to look to 60 00:03:34,213 --> 00:03:36,853 Speaker 7: put pressure on the bowlers as a batting unit, try 61 00:03:36,893 --> 00:03:39,173 Speaker 7: to take wickets and user dimensions as a bowling unit. 62 00:03:39,213 --> 00:03:41,413 Speaker 7: And then in the field, chase the hard heart, chase 63 00:03:41,453 --> 00:03:45,133 Speaker 7: the ball hard to the boundary personally, and it's gonna 64 00:03:45,133 --> 00:03:47,373 Speaker 7: be the message to the team this is this is 65 00:03:47,373 --> 00:03:50,773 Speaker 7: completely different. Obviously, we've got the Ashes in a month's time, 66 00:03:50,853 --> 00:03:53,973 Speaker 7: We've got a T twenty World Cup in February, March time, 67 00:03:54,013 --> 00:03:56,693 Speaker 7: so we're building up towards that and this can be 68 00:03:56,733 --> 00:03:57,853 Speaker 7: a great stepping stone for that. 69 00:03:58,533 --> 00:04:00,573 Speaker 2: Well there is Harry Brook. We're gonna play it hard, 70 00:04:00,613 --> 00:04:03,493 Speaker 2: we're gonna play it tough, and we're gonna play plenty 71 00:04:03,493 --> 00:04:06,413 Speaker 2: of golf. He didn't head into the unit far from 72 00:04:06,493 --> 00:04:09,773 Speaker 2: queens Gen. Have you been, Jerry and not Jerry, Well, 73 00:04:09,853 --> 00:04:13,453 Speaker 2: have you been to the England training camp? Have you 74 00:04:13,493 --> 00:04:15,453 Speaker 2: been there with your old OTAGA mate to help them 75 00:04:15,493 --> 00:04:15,973 Speaker 2: coach them? 76 00:04:16,773 --> 00:04:16,853 Speaker 4: No? 77 00:04:17,053 --> 00:04:20,333 Speaker 3: I was actually in Queenstown two of the days of 78 00:04:20,373 --> 00:04:23,173 Speaker 3: this week, and I knew that the England team were 79 00:04:23,213 --> 00:04:27,093 Speaker 3: their training I did hear that the jet boats were very, 80 00:04:27,213 --> 00:04:30,013 Speaker 3: very busy, and the golf two of the golf courses 81 00:04:30,053 --> 00:04:33,693 Speaker 3: they'd been to. It sort of makes me wonder just 82 00:04:33,813 --> 00:04:37,053 Speaker 3: how much things have changed. We used to go away 83 00:04:37,053 --> 00:04:39,893 Speaker 3: and practice twice a day in the four days leading 84 00:04:39,973 --> 00:04:42,933 Speaker 3: up to any games on any tour, and yet they 85 00:04:42,973 --> 00:04:46,973 Speaker 3: went straight to Queenstown, which is probably the only time 86 00:04:46,973 --> 00:04:49,853 Speaker 3: they're going to get an international team in Queenstown this summer. 87 00:04:50,293 --> 00:04:52,773 Speaker 3: But it just seems that the game's changed to weave. 88 00:04:52,773 --> 00:04:53,173 Speaker 6: But isn't it. 89 00:04:53,173 --> 00:04:57,213 Speaker 3: They need their relaxation, They need to go into these 90 00:04:57,213 --> 00:05:02,253 Speaker 3: special places like Handma Springs or Queenstown and then they're refreshed. 91 00:05:02,613 --> 00:05:04,253 Speaker 3: And of course at the same time it was the 92 00:05:04,293 --> 00:05:06,973 Speaker 3: good idea for their coach to go there. Who's just 93 00:05:07,053 --> 00:05:10,173 Speaker 3: built a new house very close to Queenstown. So Brendan's 94 00:05:10,173 --> 00:05:14,893 Speaker 3: getting a new house built, very handy. Well, Jerry that 95 00:05:14,933 --> 00:05:15,373 Speaker 3: he's in it. 96 00:05:15,373 --> 00:05:18,173 Speaker 2: As the black Caps went to ham The Springs for 97 00:05:18,253 --> 00:05:22,293 Speaker 2: their sort of retreat and preparation, I caught that. 98 00:05:23,493 --> 00:05:26,133 Speaker 5: I saw it on the telling. I mean there must 99 00:05:26,133 --> 00:05:28,693 Speaker 5: have been a thousand people there in the same room. 100 00:05:28,733 --> 00:05:31,773 Speaker 5: They've got some big rooms down there and hand the Springs. 101 00:05:32,773 --> 00:05:34,333 Speaker 5: They could have held it in one of the nice 102 00:05:34,413 --> 00:05:37,733 Speaker 5: warm pools, I would have thought, But no, there have 103 00:05:37,813 --> 00:05:40,533 Speaker 5: seen loads of people and they were what were they doing? 104 00:05:40,573 --> 00:05:41,413 Speaker 6: Were they planning? 105 00:05:42,253 --> 00:05:48,533 Speaker 2: Yes, planning meeting? I would think right well, the planning 106 00:05:48,573 --> 00:05:51,933 Speaker 2: to do because to my mind, some of the components 107 00:05:51,933 --> 00:05:55,453 Speaker 2: of their game against Australia were seriously lacking and they've 108 00:05:55,453 --> 00:05:57,693 Speaker 2: got to smarten up in some aspects of their game, 109 00:05:57,733 --> 00:05:58,133 Speaker 2: don't they. 110 00:05:58,813 --> 00:06:00,333 Speaker 3: I think it's very hard for them to get a 111 00:06:00,373 --> 00:06:05,413 Speaker 3: consistent selection of eleven players, and there's a variety of 112 00:06:05,453 --> 00:06:07,573 Speaker 3: reasons for that. People are unavailable to a lot of 113 00:06:07,573 --> 00:06:10,693 Speaker 3: players were injured different times. But I just can't get 114 00:06:10,733 --> 00:06:14,373 Speaker 3: over the number of players we seem to use. And 115 00:06:14,413 --> 00:06:17,573 Speaker 3: this is only a three match twenty twenty series. I 116 00:06:17,573 --> 00:06:22,013 Speaker 3: wouldn't mind being we'll use about seventeen players and it's hard, 117 00:06:22,413 --> 00:06:25,933 Speaker 3: I think, then for captain coach to really work out 118 00:06:26,053 --> 00:06:28,413 Speaker 3: just how best to use some of those players. Sometimes. 119 00:06:28,893 --> 00:06:31,053 Speaker 2: Well, Kane Williams is not going to be there until 120 00:06:31,053 --> 00:06:35,773 Speaker 2: the adis Jerry. He sort of has the pick and 121 00:06:35,853 --> 00:06:38,973 Speaker 2: choose mentality at the moment. I suppose the coach, Rob 122 00:06:39,053 --> 00:06:41,693 Speaker 2: Wilder says he's in't the right to get a bit 123 00:06:41,693 --> 00:06:44,373 Speaker 2: of special treatment. But somewhere along the line, the fans 124 00:06:44,413 --> 00:06:46,093 Speaker 2: actually want to see the top players, don't they. 125 00:06:46,853 --> 00:06:50,493 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, well odies would suit him more, I would 126 00:06:50,533 --> 00:06:54,173 Speaker 5: have thought. I think the t twenties, even the New 127 00:06:54,253 --> 00:06:57,013 Speaker 5: Zealand is now leaving that kind of style that he 128 00:06:57,133 --> 00:06:59,693 Speaker 5: brings as. 129 00:06:58,853 --> 00:07:03,053 Speaker 6: A sort of a stop of collapses. 130 00:07:05,093 --> 00:07:06,973 Speaker 5: I don't think they. I think they just all go 131 00:07:07,053 --> 00:07:10,613 Speaker 5: for it nowadays, don't they. They're seeing quite a few 132 00:07:11,413 --> 00:07:14,893 Speaker 5: in that list Wadds that I saw that could open 133 00:07:14,973 --> 00:07:19,253 Speaker 5: the batting. I mean, you've got Pondway and Seiphered Seipherd's 134 00:07:19,573 --> 00:07:22,973 Speaker 5: probably the one who's more set there, I would have thought, 135 00:07:22,973 --> 00:07:25,933 Speaker 5: because he's got the gloves as well. But then you 136 00:07:26,413 --> 00:07:30,413 Speaker 5: Robinson ken also open and Revender's come back, hasn't he 137 00:07:31,133 --> 00:07:33,653 Speaker 5: after damaging his face and that sort of thing on 138 00:07:33,693 --> 00:07:38,773 Speaker 5: some sort of boarding. So yeah, look there's there's four 139 00:07:38,853 --> 00:07:42,853 Speaker 5: into three won't go And I don't know what they'll 140 00:07:42,853 --> 00:07:45,813 Speaker 5: do for the ode eyes. But as as Wally says, 141 00:07:45,853 --> 00:07:48,533 Speaker 5: they've got a fair few options now, haven't they. They 142 00:07:49,293 --> 00:07:51,933 Speaker 5: They can pick and choose. Still a few out I 143 00:07:51,973 --> 00:07:54,413 Speaker 5: see Seears has hurt himself again as he was. 144 00:07:54,333 --> 00:08:00,173 Speaker 2: Was, Yeah, well he's he's pulled aside. You're done a sidestrain. 145 00:08:00,253 --> 00:08:03,933 Speaker 2: I think in getting back into practice and preparing for 146 00:08:03,973 --> 00:08:07,173 Speaker 2: the season. It's the sad part about our quick balls now. 147 00:08:07,213 --> 00:08:09,493 Speaker 2: You know we were hoping that somebody like Willow Rourk 148 00:08:09,493 --> 00:08:12,213 Speaker 2: would be injury free. Well he's got a back problem 149 00:08:12,453 --> 00:08:16,373 Speaker 2: and out till Christmas. Ben Sears, who's got the pace 150 00:08:16,893 --> 00:08:22,773 Speaker 2: side of things, has also got issues. Hopefully the return 151 00:08:23,133 --> 00:08:27,893 Speaker 2: of Kyle Jamison might see him with an extended career, 152 00:08:27,893 --> 00:08:32,293 Speaker 2: but is he going to be as effective after the 153 00:08:32,293 --> 00:08:37,973 Speaker 2: injuries he's had leading into a period of injury free cricket. 154 00:08:38,333 --> 00:08:41,213 Speaker 3: I actually think that we've got such a good and 155 00:08:42,013 --> 00:08:46,893 Speaker 3: strange enough experienced group of pace bowlers now. And when 156 00:08:46,893 --> 00:08:48,813 Speaker 3: I say experienced, they've been on a lot of tours. 157 00:08:49,733 --> 00:08:52,093 Speaker 3: People like Duffy you've actually sat on the planks most 158 00:08:52,093 --> 00:08:54,773 Speaker 3: of the time on those tours. He's had probably more 159 00:08:54,813 --> 00:08:56,973 Speaker 3: tools than his head games for New Zealand. But I 160 00:08:57,093 --> 00:09:00,733 Speaker 3: do really think that the fast bowling stocks, or the 161 00:09:00,773 --> 00:09:03,733 Speaker 3: medium pace to fast bowling stocks are pretty strong at 162 00:09:03,733 --> 00:09:06,093 Speaker 3: the moment. I know we have a lot of injuries 163 00:09:06,133 --> 00:09:10,373 Speaker 3: and I don't know how I don't know how the 164 00:09:10,413 --> 00:09:12,493 Speaker 3: preparation goes for some of these going they're in a 165 00:09:12,533 --> 00:09:15,893 Speaker 3: bowl four overs. I mean it's pretty hard you still 166 00:09:16,253 --> 00:09:19,293 Speaker 3: some players are still warming up in their third over. 167 00:09:19,813 --> 00:09:23,013 Speaker 3: But I think we've got a good group of medium 168 00:09:23,053 --> 00:09:25,613 Speaker 3: paces that we can use any of them and they'll 169 00:09:25,613 --> 00:09:28,493 Speaker 3: all be pretty effective. I just think that the middle 170 00:09:28,613 --> 00:09:32,093 Speaker 3: order and the fifth bowler becomes a bit of a 171 00:09:32,133 --> 00:09:33,653 Speaker 3: problem for our team sometimes. 172 00:09:34,493 --> 00:09:36,973 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we were a bit weak against the Aussies 173 00:09:37,173 --> 00:09:39,173 Speaker 2: with our attack were apart from the fact we didn't 174 00:09:39,173 --> 00:09:42,973 Speaker 2: get enough for runs, which is another important component of 175 00:09:43,013 --> 00:09:46,413 Speaker 2: the T twenty cricket. The bowling didn't seem to be 176 00:09:46,453 --> 00:09:50,053 Speaker 2: as organized as particularly the Australian bowlers did it. 177 00:09:50,133 --> 00:09:55,253 Speaker 5: Jerry, No, the Aussies and they brought basically, I mean 178 00:09:55,293 --> 00:09:58,493 Speaker 5: apart from Hazel where they brought you know, some of 179 00:09:58,533 --> 00:10:00,933 Speaker 5: the chaps who are sort of on the edge of 180 00:10:00,973 --> 00:10:04,293 Speaker 5: getting into certain sides. They've got quite a few twenty 181 00:10:04,373 --> 00:10:07,453 Speaker 5: twenty bowlers, haven't they, And they. 182 00:10:07,333 --> 00:10:08,853 Speaker 6: Were just a bit more accurate. 183 00:10:08,893 --> 00:10:12,453 Speaker 5: I thought that our bowlers and Mitch marsh was in 184 00:10:12,533 --> 00:10:16,293 Speaker 5: such good form up front that he just he blasted 185 00:10:16,333 --> 00:10:21,093 Speaker 5: and muscled them, and so they didn't quite know what 186 00:10:21,253 --> 00:10:25,213 Speaker 5: to do. I didn't think really. They kept on dragging 187 00:10:25,213 --> 00:10:27,573 Speaker 5: it down a little bit, just sort of a decent length, 188 00:10:28,053 --> 00:10:30,373 Speaker 5: and he just smashed them back over their heads or 189 00:10:30,413 --> 00:10:33,533 Speaker 5: over the covers or backward a point and then they 190 00:10:33,533 --> 00:10:35,693 Speaker 5: went short and he smashed them sort of legside. So 191 00:10:36,693 --> 00:10:40,133 Speaker 5: he dominated the whole of those those well, the two games, 192 00:10:40,173 --> 00:10:42,573 Speaker 5: really didn't he he did. He sort of won the 193 00:10:42,613 --> 00:10:47,053 Speaker 5: game for them that last match. So yeah, but I 194 00:10:47,093 --> 00:10:51,293 Speaker 5: think while was right, I think that we have got 195 00:10:51,293 --> 00:10:57,013 Speaker 5: some good seemers coming through. Duffy has proved his worth already, Jamison. 196 00:10:57,013 --> 00:10:59,693 Speaker 5: You've mentioned about he's he might have lost a little 197 00:10:59,693 --> 00:11:01,653 Speaker 5: bit of pace, but he now swings it a bit. 198 00:11:01,893 --> 00:11:05,853 Speaker 5: Henry has really come on, hasn't he? And the new 199 00:11:05,933 --> 00:11:08,733 Speaker 5: lad Folks is looking as if he might swing the 200 00:11:08,773 --> 00:11:11,453 Speaker 5: ball a bit and it's going to be a bit 201 00:11:11,573 --> 00:11:15,533 Speaker 5: like Larance Kenes used to be. He'll give things a go. 202 00:11:16,133 --> 00:11:18,213 Speaker 5: He's a bit of a gambler as a bowler. He'll 203 00:11:18,213 --> 00:11:20,933 Speaker 5: try and so he'll go for wickets, do you know 204 00:11:21,013 --> 00:11:24,373 Speaker 5: what I mean, rather than perhaps tying things up. 205 00:11:25,973 --> 00:11:29,093 Speaker 3: I think sometimes one of the mistakes that our players 206 00:11:29,093 --> 00:11:33,413 Speaker 3: still make. I like the introduction of the Australian attitude 207 00:11:33,413 --> 00:11:35,453 Speaker 3: to the way we play the game, and I think 208 00:11:35,533 --> 00:11:38,333 Speaker 3: that's changed in the last two or three years. And 209 00:11:38,493 --> 00:11:42,093 Speaker 3: we have confidence in the next batsman coming in. We 210 00:11:42,173 --> 00:11:45,453 Speaker 3: have confidence when we make a bowling change. And I 211 00:11:45,533 --> 00:11:49,813 Speaker 3: think all the players have been around each other on 212 00:11:49,853 --> 00:11:53,413 Speaker 3: the plane, in the hotel, in the dressing room at practice, 213 00:11:53,733 --> 00:11:56,853 Speaker 3: and even though they haven't had consistent games, I think 214 00:11:56,893 --> 00:11:59,013 Speaker 3: they all have a bit of a fuel for each other, 215 00:11:59,013 --> 00:12:02,253 Speaker 3: which I think is quite strong for us. The problem 216 00:12:02,333 --> 00:12:05,813 Speaker 3: is for some of the bowlers who just don't seem 217 00:12:05,853 --> 00:12:11,413 Speaker 3: to get enough match bowling. I think they tend to 218 00:12:11,453 --> 00:12:15,373 Speaker 3: look for an easy excuse sometimes. I mean in twenty 219 00:12:15,413 --> 00:12:17,893 Speaker 3: twenty cricket, they've got to know what their own plan 220 00:12:18,053 --> 00:12:20,933 Speaker 3: is and stick to their best type of bowling, whether 221 00:12:20,973 --> 00:12:23,173 Speaker 3: it be full or whether it be slightly back at 222 00:12:23,213 --> 00:12:25,293 Speaker 3: the length or whatever. And if we get ahead a 223 00:12:25,293 --> 00:12:28,053 Speaker 3: couple of times, you can almost see the bowler running 224 00:12:28,053 --> 00:12:31,653 Speaker 3: and thinking, I'll try something different. And that's one thing 225 00:12:31,693 --> 00:12:35,853 Speaker 3: that the Australian bowling attack. You don't see them do 226 00:12:35,933 --> 00:12:38,933 Speaker 3: that very often, that they stick to their plan and 227 00:12:38,933 --> 00:12:41,293 Speaker 3: they have confidence in each other. And I think we 228 00:12:41,413 --> 00:12:44,213 Speaker 3: just had that wee bit of doubt sometimes about the 229 00:12:44,373 --> 00:12:46,853 Speaker 3: fourth ball of the over and we've just gone for 230 00:12:47,333 --> 00:12:50,733 Speaker 3: a two and a boundary and we think we'll do 231 00:12:50,813 --> 00:12:54,173 Speaker 3: something different. That's a confidence thing that really has to 232 00:12:54,213 --> 00:12:55,173 Speaker 3: go through the whole team. 233 00:12:55,533 --> 00:12:55,813 Speaker 8: Yeah. 234 00:12:55,853 --> 00:13:00,733 Speaker 2: Interestingly, the plans that are ahead and we're going to 235 00:13:00,773 --> 00:13:03,173 Speaker 2: be talking to twenty cricket for most of the rest 236 00:13:03,213 --> 00:13:06,133 Speaker 2: of the summer. It seems there's a Test series coming 237 00:13:06,173 --> 00:13:08,653 Speaker 2: up against the West Indies, but it's the short form 238 00:13:08,733 --> 00:13:11,413 Speaker 2: game that we are going to be talking about. I 239 00:13:11,453 --> 00:13:13,773 Speaker 2: think you're even back in the confry box, Wally, aren't you. 240 00:13:14,653 --> 00:13:16,413 Speaker 3: Yeah. It sort of reminds me of the time that 241 00:13:16,693 --> 00:13:19,093 Speaker 3: mister McDermott rang me up and asked me to be coach. 242 00:13:20,133 --> 00:13:24,453 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people had pulled out. They 243 00:13:24,493 --> 00:13:28,853 Speaker 3: got down to my name, and I think the time 244 00:13:28,853 --> 00:13:31,613 Speaker 3: that when he ran me to ask me to be coaching, 245 00:13:31,653 --> 00:13:34,453 Speaker 3: he said, well you weren't actually my favorite. I thought 246 00:13:34,933 --> 00:13:39,133 Speaker 3: that was pretty weird. And now I'm back in the 247 00:13:39,173 --> 00:13:42,613 Speaker 3: comfry box for a couple of stints. Obviously there are 248 00:13:42,653 --> 00:13:44,853 Speaker 3: people down there aren't a lot of people south of 249 00:13:44,933 --> 00:13:46,093 Speaker 3: christ Churts available. 250 00:13:46,853 --> 00:13:50,413 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I just wonder whether you might also be 251 00:13:50,493 --> 00:13:53,653 Speaker 2: able to offer Nolan Dame Nolan Tara a bit of 252 00:13:53,653 --> 00:13:57,213 Speaker 2: a helping hand. Coaching seems to be a hard gig 253 00:13:57,253 --> 00:13:57,813 Speaker 2: at the moment. 254 00:13:58,533 --> 00:14:02,653 Speaker 3: Oh, look, isn't that. It's sad. It is actually sad. 255 00:14:02,333 --> 00:14:05,453 Speaker 3: It's sad for the sport. It's sad for New Zealand sport. 256 00:14:05,813 --> 00:14:08,093 Speaker 3: So for those things to happen, and we've had a 257 00:14:08,133 --> 00:14:11,453 Speaker 3: few we've had a few different problems in different sports 258 00:14:11,493 --> 00:14:15,053 Speaker 3: lately throughout the country and it's not a healthy sign. 259 00:14:16,453 --> 00:14:20,013 Speaker 3: And you feel for the individuals who were probably deeply 260 00:14:20,053 --> 00:14:23,173 Speaker 3: cut by some of these things, and you just wonder 261 00:14:23,173 --> 00:14:25,933 Speaker 3: how the situation can get to that. It's a lack 262 00:14:26,013 --> 00:14:28,333 Speaker 3: of professionalism, I think. 263 00:14:29,453 --> 00:14:32,333 Speaker 2: Before we move on to the white fans. I don't 264 00:14:32,373 --> 00:14:35,133 Speaker 2: know why I do it, but I look at some 265 00:14:35,213 --> 00:14:40,373 Speaker 2: of these obscure websites and there's a website in Australia 266 00:14:40,413 --> 00:14:45,053 Speaker 2: that's picked the top one hundred Australian crackers of all time. Now, 267 00:14:45,053 --> 00:14:47,493 Speaker 2: there's a fair number of names that you can put 268 00:14:47,533 --> 00:14:51,173 Speaker 2: in there, and your own personal order would be very interesting. 269 00:14:52,213 --> 00:14:55,013 Speaker 2: But it's very difficult when you've got a top one 270 00:14:55,093 --> 00:14:58,933 Speaker 2: hundred that includes Bradman, Warn Ponting, et cetera, et cetera. 271 00:14:59,853 --> 00:15:01,653 Speaker 6: But in that top one hundred. 272 00:15:01,773 --> 00:15:06,453 Speaker 2: No Ray Lindwill, no Neil Harvey, and no Doug Walters 273 00:15:06,893 --> 00:15:09,893 Speaker 2: and Arthur Morris sitting at one hundred. You've got to 274 00:15:09,933 --> 00:15:11,573 Speaker 2: sort of look at it and say, why do I 275 00:15:11,653 --> 00:15:12,773 Speaker 2: read these websites? 276 00:15:13,293 --> 00:15:15,373 Speaker 5: Well, I don't know why you're reading it was I wouldn't. 277 00:15:15,413 --> 00:15:20,693 Speaker 5: I haven't used chat. What does GPT stand for? Anyway? 278 00:15:20,733 --> 00:15:24,013 Speaker 5: But look, I mean no, I don't. I don't have 279 00:15:24,053 --> 00:15:27,293 Speaker 5: a clue. I certainly haven't seen that list onds. What 280 00:15:27,413 --> 00:15:31,973 Speaker 5: are you doing with your life? But they are they 281 00:15:31,973 --> 00:15:34,693 Speaker 5: are pretty prominent names. I bet most of them are 282 00:15:34,693 --> 00:15:36,293 Speaker 5: more modern players. 283 00:15:37,653 --> 00:15:42,293 Speaker 2: Yes, well, there's a fellow called Bollinger and featured in 284 00:15:42,333 --> 00:15:43,333 Speaker 2: the top one hundred. 285 00:15:44,733 --> 00:15:47,893 Speaker 6: Really okay, yeah, I think that. 286 00:15:48,333 --> 00:15:49,653 Speaker 3: It's just it's the sort of. 287 00:15:49,573 --> 00:15:51,013 Speaker 6: Thing that he was there for his drinking. 288 00:15:54,013 --> 00:15:56,573 Speaker 3: There's the sort of thing that retired people have time 289 00:15:56,693 --> 00:16:00,453 Speaker 3: for wards. Oh, they can sit back and think, I 290 00:16:00,573 --> 00:16:02,653 Speaker 3: might just have a week go at this and see 291 00:16:02,853 --> 00:16:04,693 Speaker 3: just who we could do the same thing in New Zealand. 292 00:16:04,733 --> 00:16:07,013 Speaker 3: I suppose, although we probably only get to about twenty. 293 00:16:07,293 --> 00:16:11,173 Speaker 3: But I think it's something that people who have got 294 00:16:11,213 --> 00:16:12,693 Speaker 3: a lot of time on their hands, and then it 295 00:16:12,733 --> 00:16:17,213 Speaker 3: develops into something bigger, and then someone will make contact 296 00:16:17,213 --> 00:16:19,333 Speaker 3: and say, no, I disagree. You know, he was a 297 00:16:19,333 --> 00:16:22,333 Speaker 3: bit of left arm spinner than someone else. I suppose 298 00:16:22,373 --> 00:16:24,533 Speaker 3: it feels in their time. So when you do look 299 00:16:24,533 --> 00:16:27,013 Speaker 3: at those sort of lists, you get people that we've 300 00:16:27,053 --> 00:16:29,133 Speaker 3: never ever heard of, really, don't you. Yeah. I mean. 301 00:16:30,693 --> 00:16:33,213 Speaker 2: What you're both saying to me is that I'm spending 302 00:16:33,293 --> 00:16:35,053 Speaker 2: too much of my time looking at things that are 303 00:16:35,093 --> 00:16:35,853 Speaker 2: totally a relevant. 304 00:16:37,653 --> 00:16:40,133 Speaker 3: The three of us you have most of the free time. 305 00:16:40,213 --> 00:16:41,293 Speaker 3: That's exactly right. 306 00:16:41,453 --> 00:16:46,213 Speaker 2: Ah, all right, I'll continue reading my History of Test 307 00:16:46,213 --> 00:16:49,013 Speaker 2: Cricket written by Tim Wigmore. That's a lovely book to read, 308 00:16:49,013 --> 00:16:51,173 Speaker 2: and there some great old stories. I found out things 309 00:16:51,173 --> 00:16:54,413 Speaker 2: about Jack Hobbs I didn't know, but that's that's another 310 00:16:54,453 --> 00:16:55,333 Speaker 2: story make. 311 00:16:55,253 --> 00:16:55,973 Speaker 6: The list either. 312 00:16:56,893 --> 00:16:59,733 Speaker 3: I'm actually reading a Phil tough No book at the moment, 313 00:17:00,493 --> 00:17:03,493 Speaker 3: How Not to be a Cricketer. And he is a 314 00:17:03,693 --> 00:17:06,573 Speaker 3: very very funny man, probably a funnier man than he 315 00:17:06,693 --> 00:17:10,493 Speaker 3: was good at cricket. Really, I'm only halfway through it, 316 00:17:10,533 --> 00:17:15,853 Speaker 3: but I laugh at every second page. Somewhere there's in there. 317 00:17:15,893 --> 00:17:19,253 Speaker 3: There's something about him that reminds me of certain players 318 00:17:19,253 --> 00:17:21,093 Speaker 3: within the New Zealand camp as well. 319 00:17:21,693 --> 00:17:25,653 Speaker 2: Yes, well, there's a lot of a lot of comments 320 00:17:25,733 --> 00:17:29,053 Speaker 2: been made about him, more against him on a number 321 00:17:29,053 --> 00:17:31,133 Speaker 2: of occasions. Certainly he was a lot of fun to 322 00:17:31,173 --> 00:17:32,973 Speaker 2: work with in the contrary box. I think Jerry might 323 00:17:33,013 --> 00:17:36,093 Speaker 2: have appreciated that too when he was over in England. 324 00:17:36,173 --> 00:17:40,133 Speaker 6: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot. 325 00:17:40,093 --> 00:17:43,373 Speaker 2: Let's talk about the white ferns. Things not going their way. 326 00:17:43,413 --> 00:17:46,213 Speaker 2: But I guess a point versus Sri Lanka is better 327 00:17:46,253 --> 00:17:49,093 Speaker 2: than nothing. But still, I've got the hard yards to 328 00:17:49,133 --> 00:17:52,293 Speaker 2: be done. It's going to take wins over Pakistan. It's 329 00:17:52,373 --> 00:17:55,733 Speaker 2: next India and then England to guarantee your place in 330 00:17:55,773 --> 00:17:58,733 Speaker 2: the Semis and they may require some other team results 331 00:17:58,773 --> 00:18:01,413 Speaker 2: to assist. Well, I've just had a wash out. Captain 332 00:18:01,453 --> 00:18:03,693 Speaker 2: Sophie Devine was upbeat. 333 00:18:04,173 --> 00:18:05,693 Speaker 8: Yeah, like I thought the work was a pretty good 334 00:18:05,693 --> 00:18:07,653 Speaker 8: cricket work. We were probably looking around maybe a two 335 00:18:07,653 --> 00:18:09,693 Speaker 8: thirty two. He was probably past score on that. 336 00:18:10,853 --> 00:18:11,093 Speaker 1: Yeah. 337 00:18:11,133 --> 00:18:13,133 Speaker 8: Disappointing that we probably leaked a few runs towards the 338 00:18:13,213 --> 00:18:15,533 Speaker 8: back end, but they had wickets in hand, so I 339 00:18:15,533 --> 00:18:17,293 Speaker 8: guess they earned that right to be able to be 340 00:18:17,333 --> 00:18:19,893 Speaker 8: super aggressive and you know that they batted well throughout. 341 00:18:19,973 --> 00:18:22,293 Speaker 8: So yeah, we were looking forward to an exciting chase. 342 00:18:22,333 --> 00:18:24,453 Speaker 8: I thought the wicket was still going to be a 343 00:18:24,493 --> 00:18:26,853 Speaker 8: really good cricket wicket, so shame that we couldn't get 344 00:18:27,133 --> 00:18:29,493 Speaker 8: I guess on the park the rain had the final say. 345 00:18:29,533 --> 00:18:33,053 Speaker 8: But we'll you know, reflect and review and move forward. Yeah, absolutely, 346 00:18:33,053 --> 00:18:35,093 Speaker 8: I think. I guess an interesting part was obviously there's 347 00:18:35,093 --> 00:18:37,013 Speaker 8: a bit of noise coming from the band in the 348 00:18:37,053 --> 00:18:39,453 Speaker 8: stand that I know personally I couldn't hear a thing 349 00:18:39,493 --> 00:18:41,493 Speaker 8: out there, So there's something that we'll talk about as 350 00:18:41,493 --> 00:18:42,853 Speaker 8: a group. So I think it's gonna be really important, 351 00:18:42,933 --> 00:18:46,013 Speaker 8: especially as the crowds may potentially get a little bit louder. 352 00:18:46,093 --> 00:18:48,773 Speaker 8: So again, that's all just learnings for us and how 353 00:18:48,773 --> 00:18:51,013 Speaker 8: we I guess go through that process on the field. 354 00:18:51,053 --> 00:18:53,493 Speaker 8: But look, I guess the positive thing from that is 355 00:18:53,533 --> 00:18:55,533 Speaker 8: that we were creating opportunities. I guess it's up to 356 00:18:55,613 --> 00:18:57,933 Speaker 8: us now to make sure that we can execute and 357 00:18:57,933 --> 00:18:59,333 Speaker 8: take these take those chances. 358 00:19:00,053 --> 00:19:02,773 Speaker 2: Yeah, tough to come away from a washed out game 359 00:19:02,813 --> 00:19:05,053 Speaker 2: when you need a win. They were chasing down a 360 00:19:05,093 --> 00:19:07,213 Speaker 2: big total. Do you look at some of the score 361 00:19:07,293 --> 00:19:11,253 Speaker 2: sheets of the games have been played, Jerry, and you 362 00:19:11,253 --> 00:19:15,173 Speaker 2: know Indian women scored three point thirty and we're beaten 363 00:19:15,653 --> 00:19:18,093 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty one and we're beaten by South 364 00:19:18,133 --> 00:19:21,893 Speaker 2: Africa two fifty two. It's it's a tough road to 365 00:19:21,973 --> 00:19:25,333 Speaker 2: hoe for the the White Ferns at the moment, isn't it. 366 00:19:26,613 --> 00:19:29,293 Speaker 6: Yeah, the rain hasn't helped, wodd says it. 367 00:19:31,653 --> 00:19:34,613 Speaker 5: And New Zealand are playing Pakistan next as you say, 368 00:19:34,613 --> 00:19:37,573 Speaker 5: and that's in Sri Lanka as well, same place. That's 369 00:19:37,573 --> 00:19:40,813 Speaker 5: the second that New Zealand matches, the second game reigned 370 00:19:40,853 --> 00:19:45,213 Speaker 5: out in the tournament in Colombo. But really I think 371 00:19:45,253 --> 00:19:47,333 Speaker 5: it's probably the loss to South Africa that had hurt 372 00:19:47,413 --> 00:19:52,293 Speaker 5: New Zealand more. I just I look, two thirty seven, 373 00:19:52,373 --> 00:19:54,133 Speaker 5: two thirty one, two twenty seven. 374 00:19:54,173 --> 00:19:56,093 Speaker 6: Those are the three totals. 375 00:19:56,093 --> 00:19:59,773 Speaker 5: New Zealand have posted batting first. I mean, two thirty 376 00:19:59,853 --> 00:20:03,013 Speaker 5: isn't enough nowadays, as you point out, I mean the 377 00:20:03,093 --> 00:20:06,573 Speaker 5: women's game has moved on from that and they are 378 00:20:06,573 --> 00:20:09,213 Speaker 5: now sort of two eighty to three hundred or above 379 00:20:09,253 --> 00:20:14,173 Speaker 5: three hundred. Aren't they the better sides? I mean as 380 00:20:14,213 --> 00:20:18,253 Speaker 5: a team, they're just in New Zealand aren't giving themselves, 381 00:20:18,253 --> 00:20:23,893 Speaker 5: it seems to me, enough chances to win. They just 382 00:20:23,933 --> 00:20:28,173 Speaker 5: aren't playing as confidently as I've seen them play before. 383 00:20:29,933 --> 00:20:31,133 Speaker 6: The top order. 384 00:20:33,413 --> 00:20:36,973 Speaker 5: And then the entire lower order are just not contributing, 385 00:20:37,053 --> 00:20:40,693 Speaker 5: I'm afraid. So everything is relying on numbers four, five 386 00:20:40,733 --> 00:20:44,493 Speaker 5: and six in the batting order, and Divine has responded 387 00:20:44,533 --> 00:20:49,413 Speaker 5: really well. Helladay has been good and Green well, Green's 388 00:20:49,413 --> 00:20:52,653 Speaker 5: averaging sixteen. Perhaps she can do a bit more number six, 389 00:20:52,933 --> 00:20:57,453 Speaker 5: but I mean the first even the first ten overswads 390 00:20:57,453 --> 00:21:00,573 Speaker 5: in the game. The power play. New Zealand have been 391 00:21:00,613 --> 00:21:04,333 Speaker 5: thirty six for two in the first game against Australia, 392 00:21:04,413 --> 00:21:08,293 Speaker 5: thirty eight for one against South Africa in the second game, 393 00:21:08,733 --> 00:21:12,573 Speaker 5: and in the third game against Bangladesh they were. 394 00:21:12,373 --> 00:21:13,453 Speaker 6: Thirty five for two. 395 00:21:13,653 --> 00:21:17,613 Speaker 5: So look, seven overs of dots in the first game 396 00:21:17,853 --> 00:21:20,973 Speaker 5: in the first ten overs, eight overs of dots in 397 00:21:21,053 --> 00:21:24,213 Speaker 5: the second game for the first ten overs, and seven 398 00:21:24,253 --> 00:21:30,733 Speaker 5: overs again in the in the against Bangladesh. And the 399 00:21:30,773 --> 00:21:33,333 Speaker 5: players I mean, I know, anyone can get out, and 400 00:21:33,413 --> 00:21:38,373 Speaker 5: Bates has had a couple of early dismissals, but it 401 00:21:38,453 --> 00:21:42,013 Speaker 5: leaves Plimmer, who's on a strike rate of forty and 402 00:21:42,653 --> 00:21:46,053 Speaker 5: also Ameliacus on a strike rate of fifty two together 403 00:21:46,533 --> 00:21:49,533 Speaker 5: for the rest of the ten overs, and so you're 404 00:21:49,573 --> 00:21:53,013 Speaker 5: not going anywhere in the games. You're getting thirty runs 405 00:21:53,053 --> 00:21:55,973 Speaker 5: off your ten r first ten overs. Plimmard, I don't 406 00:21:56,013 --> 00:21:59,133 Speaker 5: know you guys, did you watch Plimmer play in the 407 00:21:59,173 --> 00:22:04,293 Speaker 5: World T twenty Cup. She was whacking it, you know, 408 00:22:04,773 --> 00:22:08,613 Speaker 5: striking it cleanly over the bowler's head down on the 409 00:22:08,653 --> 00:22:13,293 Speaker 5: ground quite often. That's my memory of her and how 410 00:22:13,373 --> 00:22:16,533 Speaker 5: she played. She was hitting it strongly. But this tournament 411 00:22:16,573 --> 00:22:19,413 Speaker 5: she's been easing it to cover and easing it to 412 00:22:19,453 --> 00:22:22,413 Speaker 5: the bowler and so on at a pace that which 413 00:22:22,453 --> 00:22:23,773 Speaker 5: you can't even take a single. 414 00:22:24,373 --> 00:22:27,093 Speaker 6: So she's either got to block it or hit it hard. 415 00:22:27,893 --> 00:22:28,893 Speaker 6: You know she can do that. 416 00:22:29,013 --> 00:22:33,653 Speaker 5: I don't know quite why she's changed her is very 417 00:22:33,693 --> 00:22:36,293 Speaker 5: strangely quiet with the bat. She's got five wickets with 418 00:22:36,333 --> 00:22:39,453 Speaker 5: the ball, but they just both seem a bit reticent. 419 00:22:39,533 --> 00:22:42,093 Speaker 5: I don't know what you guys think of that. And 420 00:22:42,133 --> 00:22:45,013 Speaker 5: then for just to finish the point, seven, eight, nine, ten, 421 00:22:45,093 --> 00:22:50,453 Speaker 5: eleven are averaging sixteen one point three nine two point 422 00:22:50,493 --> 00:22:52,933 Speaker 5: six one and they are in for this length of 423 00:22:53,013 --> 00:22:57,733 Speaker 5: balld thirteen three one one point two if you can 424 00:22:57,813 --> 00:23:01,893 Speaker 5: even face one for that. So we're not getting no 425 00:23:02,053 --> 00:23:06,253 Speaker 5: time for partnerships from five down. That's I went from 426 00:23:06,373 --> 00:23:09,693 Speaker 5: number seven there that from that they're not having a 427 00:23:09,773 --> 00:23:13,213 Speaker 5: chance to form partnerships, and so other sides are getting 428 00:23:13,213 --> 00:23:15,813 Speaker 5: ahead of them, and other teams. It's becoming known as 429 00:23:15,853 --> 00:23:19,373 Speaker 5: a tournament of the number seven and eights getting eighties 430 00:23:19,453 --> 00:23:24,133 Speaker 5: and sixties and winning matches from those two positions. So 431 00:23:25,053 --> 00:23:27,853 Speaker 5: we're missing out there as well. So that's why I 432 00:23:27,853 --> 00:23:30,053 Speaker 5: say four, five and six. And the last thing I 433 00:23:30,053 --> 00:23:32,293 Speaker 5: want to say about their batting is the six runouts 434 00:23:32,533 --> 00:23:36,573 Speaker 5: that they've had in three innings. Glimmer and green gays 435 00:23:36,613 --> 00:23:39,813 Speaker 5: and cars and baits and curse. So we need a 436 00:23:39,853 --> 00:23:43,373 Speaker 5: little session I think on calling and judging a run 437 00:23:44,533 --> 00:23:47,373 Speaker 5: and those are That is a lot of runouts for 438 00:23:47,413 --> 00:23:48,773 Speaker 5: three innings, isn't it really. 439 00:23:49,493 --> 00:23:52,213 Speaker 3: I have had a little bit of a conversation with 440 00:23:52,253 --> 00:23:59,373 Speaker 3: one of the players. I think that the stress of 441 00:23:59,453 --> 00:24:02,293 Speaker 3: not performing in that game against South Africa is still 442 00:24:02,533 --> 00:24:06,773 Speaker 3: continuing and the communication of the players when they're batting 443 00:24:08,053 --> 00:24:12,093 Speaker 3: is not happening. I mentioned before about the teams. We 444 00:24:12,213 --> 00:24:14,893 Speaker 3: have confidence in each other, the Australian attitude. You know, 445 00:24:15,133 --> 00:24:17,173 Speaker 3: if I do get out, the next play is just 446 00:24:17,213 --> 00:24:19,053 Speaker 3: as good as me. It doesn't matter. I could go, 447 00:24:19,173 --> 00:24:21,413 Speaker 3: I can play my shots because we have faith in 448 00:24:21,453 --> 00:24:25,413 Speaker 3: each other. Or they don't know, and deservedly they don't 449 00:24:25,973 --> 00:24:29,213 Speaker 3: because one of the key points that you made there 450 00:24:29,253 --> 00:24:33,933 Speaker 3: is we're never ever going to do well in these competitions. 451 00:24:33,933 --> 00:24:36,693 Speaker 3: Whether it be twenty overs or fifty overs doesn't really 452 00:24:36,733 --> 00:24:39,053 Speaker 3: matter too much to the girls. In a strange way, 453 00:24:39,413 --> 00:24:42,733 Speaker 3: because we make the same mistakes. We don't score enough 454 00:24:42,813 --> 00:24:47,533 Speaker 3: runs ever in the last quarter of the of the 455 00:24:47,653 --> 00:24:50,333 Speaker 3: of the innings because we don't have any of our 456 00:24:50,413 --> 00:24:55,013 Speaker 3: best players still there now. The most runs in domestic 457 00:24:55,053 --> 00:24:58,773 Speaker 3: cricket are actually scored in the last five overs or 458 00:24:58,813 --> 00:25:01,813 Speaker 3: the last six or seven overs of an innings, if 459 00:25:01,853 --> 00:25:05,333 Speaker 3: you've got your best players there, and it sort of 460 00:25:05,373 --> 00:25:07,933 Speaker 3: just looks like everyone is hesitating, as if as if 461 00:25:07,933 --> 00:25:11,373 Speaker 3: there's not a team plan about the whole thing. You're 462 00:25:11,453 --> 00:25:14,493 Speaker 3: right about the first teen overs, but but of course, 463 00:25:14,533 --> 00:25:17,453 Speaker 3: because we're losing a wicket in the first over, even 464 00:25:17,453 --> 00:25:23,453 Speaker 3: in the first ball. Occasionally, the younger players who I know, 465 00:25:23,653 --> 00:25:27,733 Speaker 3: I know baits and divine and curve, and we know 466 00:25:27,853 --> 00:25:30,933 Speaker 3: how good they are, but they're so far ahead of 467 00:25:30,973 --> 00:25:34,573 Speaker 3: the other players and experience and and there, and their 468 00:25:34,653 --> 00:25:38,053 Speaker 3: past has been so successful that the other players are 469 00:25:38,293 --> 00:25:42,573 Speaker 3: just grateful to be there, perhaps not playing their own 470 00:25:42,653 --> 00:25:47,053 Speaker 3: game that has been successful, not not always, but they've 471 00:25:47,053 --> 00:25:51,053 Speaker 3: got to actually go out there, and the body the 472 00:25:51,253 --> 00:25:55,613 Speaker 3: there's not a positive approach. And you can even see 473 00:25:55,613 --> 00:25:57,893 Speaker 3: when the two girls do come together at the end 474 00:25:57,893 --> 00:26:01,773 Speaker 3: of and over, it's hesitant and and they and they 475 00:26:01,893 --> 00:26:05,853 Speaker 3: then they accordingly they go back that way. We can't 476 00:26:05,933 --> 00:26:10,853 Speaker 3: expect us to do really well when we accept that 477 00:26:10,933 --> 00:26:14,813 Speaker 3: our numbers five, six, and seven can't none of them 478 00:26:14,853 --> 00:26:20,013 Speaker 3: can go on and get fifty. Well. We need everyone 479 00:26:20,013 --> 00:26:22,853 Speaker 3: on the team to be able to contribute. And it's 480 00:26:22,893 --> 00:26:26,613 Speaker 3: almost like they need a serious tour, but that's really 481 00:26:26,653 --> 00:26:29,853 Speaker 3: not going to encourage them to perform. And it's also 482 00:26:29,973 --> 00:26:32,093 Speaker 3: not just kidding put an arm around their shoulder and 483 00:26:32,173 --> 00:26:35,133 Speaker 3: saying tut tut, it's all right, because even has to 484 00:26:35,173 --> 00:26:39,453 Speaker 3: take their own responsibility and this is brandically. I have 485 00:26:39,653 --> 00:26:43,413 Speaker 3: just been amazed at how disappointed I am sitting up 486 00:26:43,413 --> 00:26:48,213 Speaker 3: through the night and being slightly angry the next morning 487 00:26:48,573 --> 00:26:51,213 Speaker 3: that it's a repeat of the game before and they're 488 00:26:51,213 --> 00:26:53,333 Speaker 3: playing for New Zealand, they're not playing just for their province. 489 00:26:53,453 --> 00:26:55,973 Speaker 3: It's not an under twenty one tournament. It's actually a 490 00:26:55,973 --> 00:26:59,613 Speaker 3: World Cup tournament where these girls deserve better, and so 491 00:26:59,693 --> 00:27:03,373 Speaker 3: do the people who sit through the night. Yesing forward 492 00:27:03,413 --> 00:27:04,373 Speaker 3: to something better. 493 00:27:04,533 --> 00:27:08,173 Speaker 5: To totally with your while, I've watched a couple of 494 00:27:08,173 --> 00:27:11,133 Speaker 5: other games and I feel angry at the end of it. 495 00:27:11,853 --> 00:27:15,813 Speaker 6: I've seen that before. Was it about four days ago? 496 00:27:16,133 --> 00:27:16,413 Speaker 6: You know? 497 00:27:17,213 --> 00:27:19,173 Speaker 5: I would really like that, and I suppose I am, 498 00:27:19,253 --> 00:27:20,893 Speaker 5: because I'd really like them to do well. 499 00:27:21,493 --> 00:27:25,333 Speaker 6: But I'm not surprised now, you know. 500 00:27:25,973 --> 00:27:28,373 Speaker 5: And even in the bowling, we've got a strange side, 501 00:27:28,413 --> 00:27:33,013 Speaker 5: haven't we. We kind of we've kind of picked medium 502 00:27:33,093 --> 00:27:37,293 Speaker 5: paces and everybody else has got three spinners. You know, 503 00:27:38,373 --> 00:27:40,733 Speaker 5: one spinner was we had to come back because she 504 00:27:40,853 --> 00:27:44,373 Speaker 5: was injured, and we picked them another medium pacer in 505 00:27:44,453 --> 00:27:45,013 Speaker 5: Hannah Row. 506 00:27:45,373 --> 00:27:45,813 Speaker 6: I couldn't. 507 00:27:45,853 --> 00:27:49,213 Speaker 5: I mean, we're trying to manufacture a spinner out of 508 00:27:49,253 --> 00:27:53,613 Speaker 5: Maddie Green, bowling about three or four overs sometimes and 509 00:27:53,653 --> 00:27:56,253 Speaker 5: then we've got Why should we be surprised We've got 510 00:27:56,253 --> 00:28:00,733 Speaker 5: twenty one extras in the two matches ago twenty one 511 00:28:00,813 --> 00:28:05,813 Speaker 5: with fifteen wives and thirty extras against Bangladesh. That's not 512 00:28:05,893 --> 00:28:07,373 Speaker 5: a bad total down the bottom. 513 00:28:08,373 --> 00:28:11,053 Speaker 3: The other last point I'll make about the girls at 514 00:28:11,093 --> 00:28:13,293 Speaker 3: this stage, and good luck to them. We hope they 515 00:28:13,333 --> 00:28:16,333 Speaker 3: do very well these next few games. But if it 516 00:28:16,333 --> 00:28:20,933 Speaker 3: doesn't matter who plays for our team, our last four 517 00:28:21,493 --> 00:28:24,733 Speaker 3: batters in the New Zealand team will not score twenty 518 00:28:24,813 --> 00:28:28,173 Speaker 3: runs between them, correct, And they're not going to. We 519 00:28:28,213 --> 00:28:30,613 Speaker 3: don't expect them to score the majority of our runs. 520 00:28:30,613 --> 00:28:33,173 Speaker 3: It's not actually their job. But they could help out 521 00:28:33,933 --> 00:28:37,893 Speaker 3: and doesn't matter. Will be seven girls could be in 522 00:28:37,973 --> 00:28:40,733 Speaker 3: the last four places in the batting order. I don't 523 00:28:40,773 --> 00:28:42,573 Speaker 3: care who they are. If you can name whatever for 524 00:28:42,733 --> 00:28:45,133 Speaker 3: you want, but no matter who you name, they will 525 00:28:45,133 --> 00:28:47,813 Speaker 3: not score twenty runs between them and that has been 526 00:28:48,173 --> 00:28:50,333 Speaker 3: that the way the New Zealand women's team have been 527 00:28:50,533 --> 00:28:54,733 Speaker 3: probably for about ten years now. That isn't good, yep. 528 00:28:54,813 --> 00:28:56,373 Speaker 2: And that's something that we're going to have to watch 529 00:28:56,373 --> 00:28:58,573 Speaker 2: over the next couple of games. Of course Pakistan is 530 00:28:58,573 --> 00:29:01,773 Speaker 2: an important must win, but India and England it's going 531 00:29:01,813 --> 00:29:04,693 Speaker 2: to be difficult running out of time on the front foot. 532 00:29:04,693 --> 00:29:07,413 Speaker 2: But I just want to a quick one buy you 533 00:29:07,453 --> 00:29:09,093 Speaker 2: guys and get a point in view from the New 534 00:29:09,173 --> 00:29:12,933 Speaker 2: Zealand Cricket is exploring the commercial viability of fielding a 535 00:29:13,013 --> 00:29:16,093 Speaker 2: men's and women's team in the Australia's Big Bash. Now, 536 00:29:16,133 --> 00:29:17,773 Speaker 2: this is a subject it's going to be around for 537 00:29:17,773 --> 00:29:20,693 Speaker 2: a while, but I just want to get a general feeling. 538 00:29:21,213 --> 00:29:23,853 Speaker 2: Do we want to be part of the Big Bash League. 539 00:29:24,933 --> 00:29:29,613 Speaker 6: Wads? I'm taking the view for this. I mean it hasn't. 540 00:29:29,773 --> 00:29:32,133 Speaker 5: We haven't been invited for a start, have we. That's 541 00:29:32,133 --> 00:29:36,093 Speaker 5: the first thing. Secondly is I don't know whether it's 542 00:29:36,133 --> 00:29:40,893 Speaker 5: a women's side as well. And thirdly I think probably 543 00:29:41,253 --> 00:29:43,693 Speaker 5: it's not a new concept for a New Zealand to have, 544 00:29:44,173 --> 00:29:47,333 Speaker 5: you know, playing in Australian competitions. We got soccer and 545 00:29:47,373 --> 00:29:50,853 Speaker 5: rugby league and indoor basketball and netball for a while, 546 00:29:50,973 --> 00:29:54,013 Speaker 5: wasn't it. But I tend to look at it from 547 00:29:54,013 --> 00:29:57,253 Speaker 5: a developmental point of view, these kinds of questions, will 548 00:29:57,253 --> 00:30:00,053 Speaker 5: it lift the level of our players and our better players, 549 00:30:00,653 --> 00:30:04,453 Speaker 5: Can they get more growth and so that when they 550 00:30:04,493 --> 00:30:07,533 Speaker 5: are selected safe in New Zealand, it's not a massive leap. 551 00:30:09,133 --> 00:30:12,893 Speaker 5: And I would have thought, to be honest, looking through 552 00:30:12,933 --> 00:30:16,933 Speaker 5: the players, you've got to concede that that is a 553 00:30:17,053 --> 00:30:22,533 Speaker 5: much higher level than our super Smash. I don't want 554 00:30:22,573 --> 00:30:24,373 Speaker 5: to go through all the players. That'll take too long, 555 00:30:24,453 --> 00:30:27,533 Speaker 5: but it's you know, they are higher level. It's a 556 00:30:27,613 --> 00:30:32,333 Speaker 5: more intense competition. It is more competitive and the strongest skills. 557 00:30:32,893 --> 00:30:34,893 Speaker 5: And I do think if we did have a team, 558 00:30:35,213 --> 00:30:37,973 Speaker 5: it would be a composite side. There would be some 559 00:30:38,093 --> 00:30:42,533 Speaker 5: international players and when there's usually three of those, and 560 00:30:42,653 --> 00:30:47,373 Speaker 5: I had a quick look at the squads New Zealand 561 00:30:47,373 --> 00:30:52,493 Speaker 5: players are all already there as another group Steifered, Ferguson, Monroe, 562 00:30:52,653 --> 00:30:55,893 Speaker 5: Finnellen and probably Niche and might go as well in 563 00:30:55,933 --> 00:30:58,933 Speaker 5: that group. So there's a few more and then you 564 00:30:59,053 --> 00:31:04,253 Speaker 5: get then Australia may insist on having some New Zealand 565 00:31:04,293 --> 00:31:06,773 Speaker 5: black Caps as well. Maybe three or four of those, 566 00:31:07,373 --> 00:31:10,053 Speaker 5: and then finally, of course you want some a players 567 00:31:10,453 --> 00:31:12,813 Speaker 5: to go into there. But I don't think it's anything 568 00:31:12,973 --> 00:31:16,613 Speaker 5: like would it affect would it affect the super Smash? Yes, 569 00:31:16,653 --> 00:31:19,253 Speaker 5: it probably would a bit for a while. 570 00:31:19,853 --> 00:31:20,333 Speaker 6: I think so. 571 00:31:21,293 --> 00:31:25,093 Speaker 5: And the costs. Aren't they selling them all? Aren't they 572 00:31:25,213 --> 00:31:28,253 Speaker 5: trying to sell as one of the options from some 573 00:31:28,373 --> 00:31:33,493 Speaker 5: report from some group telling the Australians have a look 574 00:31:33,533 --> 00:31:35,853 Speaker 5: at see if you can get some money. And so 575 00:31:36,093 --> 00:31:38,813 Speaker 5: it may well these franchises may be owned by some 576 00:31:38,853 --> 00:31:42,933 Speaker 5: wealthy kind of magnates and combinations of investors. I would 577 00:31:42,933 --> 00:31:45,333 Speaker 5: have thought so they might handle the costs. 578 00:31:46,413 --> 00:31:50,333 Speaker 3: I would prefer that they stay to here. I'd prefer 579 00:31:50,373 --> 00:31:53,293 Speaker 3: that they stay with their provincial sides as much as possible. 580 00:31:53,893 --> 00:31:57,813 Speaker 3: We can't afford to weaken our provincial cricket anymore anymore 581 00:31:57,853 --> 00:32:00,733 Speaker 3: than it is at the moment. I know what happened 582 00:32:01,533 --> 00:32:04,013 Speaker 3: by having some of our girls go to Australia and 583 00:32:04,053 --> 00:32:07,293 Speaker 3: playing different teams over there. Individually, they went off to 584 00:32:07,333 --> 00:32:11,493 Speaker 3: different teams, they came back much much more confident players 585 00:32:11,893 --> 00:32:15,453 Speaker 3: and performed a lot better. Maddy Green is a really 586 00:32:15,453 --> 00:32:18,533 Speaker 3: good example of that. A girl who struggled for a 587 00:32:18,533 --> 00:32:21,013 Speaker 3: long time in the international game, but a couple of 588 00:32:21,013 --> 00:32:24,293 Speaker 3: seasons in Australia are century in one game and all 589 00:32:24,333 --> 00:32:27,573 Speaker 3: of a sudden she was away. It was and I've 590 00:32:27,613 --> 00:32:30,053 Speaker 3: talked to some of the girls about that. It wasn't 591 00:32:30,093 --> 00:32:33,493 Speaker 3: just playing the game, it was feeling part of a 592 00:32:33,533 --> 00:32:38,973 Speaker 3: team and feeling confident sitting beside internationally recognized players in 593 00:32:39,013 --> 00:32:43,293 Speaker 3: the dressing room, because we still have that era of 594 00:32:43,653 --> 00:32:47,053 Speaker 3: we're not we're not ready, We're we're in awe of 595 00:32:47,093 --> 00:32:50,573 Speaker 3: the of the well known players. And I think the 596 00:32:50,653 --> 00:32:54,173 Speaker 3: only good thing I can see about us joining a 597 00:32:54,293 --> 00:32:57,573 Speaker 3: competition or even sending individuals over there is the fact 598 00:32:57,613 --> 00:33:00,693 Speaker 3: that that's one thing we can overcome. We can realize 599 00:33:00,693 --> 00:33:03,813 Speaker 3: that we're all the same, We've all got the same opportunity, 600 00:33:03,813 --> 00:33:05,973 Speaker 3: and I know that changed some of the girls quite 601 00:33:06,013 --> 00:33:08,773 Speaker 3: a lot. I don't know that Australia would be particularly 602 00:33:08,813 --> 00:33:10,093 Speaker 3: interested in having us. 603 00:33:10,533 --> 00:33:12,333 Speaker 6: I don't know. Well, that's how I say. They haven't 604 00:33:12,333 --> 00:33:13,533 Speaker 6: invited us at all, have they. 605 00:33:13,533 --> 00:33:16,493 Speaker 5: What Australia get out of it, Well, we suppose they 606 00:33:16,533 --> 00:33:19,053 Speaker 5: get some money to try and sell another franchise. 607 00:33:19,573 --> 00:33:21,893 Speaker 3: That's right, you're talking about the commercial side of it. 608 00:33:22,493 --> 00:33:24,373 Speaker 3: There's going to be a big cost somewhere in New 609 00:33:24,453 --> 00:33:26,613 Speaker 3: Zealand to get a team over there, but that may 610 00:33:26,613 --> 00:33:27,653 Speaker 3: be quite a loss. 611 00:33:28,293 --> 00:33:30,733 Speaker 2: It's just the thing our game, our game can't afford 612 00:33:31,213 --> 00:33:35,133 Speaker 2: is you know. You're talking figures in around ten, fifteen, 613 00:33:35,173 --> 00:33:38,453 Speaker 2: twenty million, you know, and that is a huge expense 614 00:33:38,613 --> 00:33:40,653 Speaker 2: for the game. But it's going to be a subject 615 00:33:40,853 --> 00:33:42,133 Speaker 2: that I think is going to. 616 00:33:44,573 --> 00:33:45,613 Speaker 6: Texas a little bit. 617 00:33:45,893 --> 00:33:49,133 Speaker 2: New Zealand Cricket are investigating at the moment, and I 618 00:33:49,173 --> 00:33:52,013 Speaker 2: have heard that in the near future they're likely to 619 00:33:52,053 --> 00:33:56,613 Speaker 2: make an announcement, so we'll be interested to see what happens. 620 00:33:56,773 --> 00:34:00,853 Speaker 2: So we've got sort of one slightly and favored Jerry 621 00:34:01,213 --> 00:34:01,813 Speaker 2: and Will. 622 00:34:02,133 --> 00:34:02,773 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so. 623 00:34:02,893 --> 00:34:05,533 Speaker 5: From a developmental point of view, I think it would 624 00:34:05,613 --> 00:34:08,253 Speaker 5: provide a nice little pathway for all those super smash 625 00:34:08,413 --> 00:34:09,253 Speaker 5: players as well. 626 00:34:09,893 --> 00:34:11,533 Speaker 2: And you are yet to be convinced, Wally. 627 00:34:12,373 --> 00:34:16,013 Speaker 3: Ah yet to be convinced. But financially, you wouldn't like 628 00:34:16,053 --> 00:34:21,413 Speaker 3: to see any of our other tournaments lessened in importance. 629 00:34:22,773 --> 00:34:26,293 Speaker 3: I'm more into looking after the young and the youthful 630 00:34:26,333 --> 00:34:29,653 Speaker 3: sides rather than looking at the top players. They get enough, 631 00:34:29,653 --> 00:34:30,493 Speaker 3: they're around the world. 632 00:34:30,533 --> 00:34:34,293 Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, I think it's a subject we can refer 633 00:34:34,373 --> 00:34:38,053 Speaker 2: to again as decisions are made by New Zealand cricket. 634 00:34:38,493 --> 00:34:42,213 Speaker 2: We've got the tea twitties in christ Hitch Hagley Oval, 635 00:34:42,493 --> 00:34:46,933 Speaker 2: and then of course there's the one days against England. Jerry, 636 00:34:46,933 --> 00:34:49,053 Speaker 2: You'll be back on the road commentating at some stage, 637 00:34:49,093 --> 00:34:52,333 Speaker 2: I'm sure, and while he's going to be climbing the 638 00:34:52,333 --> 00:34:58,773 Speaker 2: box at University Oval and Dunedin. So summer's almost here, 639 00:34:58,853 --> 00:34:59,213 Speaker 2: isn't it. 640 00:35:00,733 --> 00:35:04,333 Speaker 3: Well, I'm looking forward to the temperature down here twenty 641 00:35:04,333 --> 00:35:09,253 Speaker 3: three degrees the other day, nineteen today, brilliantly unny skies 642 00:35:09,733 --> 00:35:11,813 Speaker 3: and people are are really looking forward to the summer. 643 00:35:12,293 --> 00:35:14,413 Speaker 3: I look forward to it. I I just think it's 644 00:35:14,453 --> 00:35:17,093 Speaker 3: a pity we haven't got any internationals in Queenstown, but 645 00:35:17,133 --> 00:35:18,373 Speaker 3: with that will come around. 646 00:35:18,213 --> 00:35:22,573 Speaker 2: And well yeah, oh well, we look forward to hearing 647 00:35:22,773 --> 00:35:29,373 Speaker 2: Wally and hopefully you recover from your minor kerfuffle with 648 00:35:29,413 --> 00:35:31,813 Speaker 2: you your hand, which I think is fifty seven years old, 649 00:35:31,853 --> 00:35:32,173 Speaker 2: isn't it. 650 00:35:33,093 --> 00:35:35,293 Speaker 3: Well, it's been a long time and it's it's an 651 00:35:35,293 --> 00:35:37,453 Speaker 3: old cricket injury and it was a long time since 652 00:35:37,453 --> 00:35:39,453 Speaker 3: I played, but it finally caught up with me and 653 00:35:40,453 --> 00:35:42,493 Speaker 3: I've had the cast on for eight weeks now and 654 00:35:42,493 --> 00:35:43,853 Speaker 3: I've got another four weeks to go. 655 00:35:44,293 --> 00:35:45,893 Speaker 2: All right, We'll keep your hands to this, LUF, that's 656 00:35:45,933 --> 00:35:47,293 Speaker 2: the main thing. Thanks for joining us. 657 00:35:47,573 --> 00:35:50,213 Speaker 3: And what's that, Jerry? Thank you for your time. 658 00:35:51,253 --> 00:35:54,213 Speaker 6: Yeah, cheers, what yeah? What? 659 00:35:56,333 --> 00:36:06,173 Speaker 1: Summer For more from News Talks B listen live on 660 00:36:06,253 --> 00:36:09,213 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our show with you wherever 661 00:36:09,293 --> 00:36:11,853 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.