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Speaker 1: So where are we at with the fallout from yesterday's

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Speaker 1: page attack and hebel are in today's secondary attack on

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Speaker 1: these walkie talkies. The Israelis are, of course suspected. They've

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Speaker 1: officially said nothing, but a response must be pending on assuming.

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Speaker 1: Associate Professor of Politics and International Relations at Auckland University,

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Speaker 1: Stephen Hodley is back with a Stephen morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning. Make interesting times.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it just the fact the Americans weren't clued in

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Speaker 1: specifically on this? Is this potentially a problem for Israel

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Speaker 1: and the Yaho if they claim it was them, Well,

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Speaker 1: if I.

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Speaker 2: Were a conspiracy e theorists, I would say that Israel's

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Speaker 2: trying to go the United States into helping Israel. If

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Speaker 2: Hasbilla attacks Israel in a serious way, it's a kind

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Speaker 2: of convoluted policy to induce support where it might not

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Speaker 2: want to be.

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Speaker 1: Does hezbela come back this because previously when these things

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Speaker 1: have happened, there's been plenty of talk and heat, but

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Speaker 1: at best. I mean, I think back to the drone

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Speaker 1: situation with the Iranians. They sort of telegraphed it. It

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Speaker 1: was a kind of a here we go, and it's

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Speaker 1: over on a sort of pizza.

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Speaker 2: Well, my first thought was, this is the preliade to

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Speaker 2: an attack in southern Lebanon to push the Hesboalav back

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Speaker 2: to the Litani River under Resolution seventeen oh one. But

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Speaker 2: apparently not apparently that the army is not mobilizing on

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Speaker 2: the border. There's still fifty thousand Israelis displaced from their

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Speaker 2: homes by Hesbelah rockets. This is unfinished business for Israel.

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Speaker 2: But it looks as if this may have been triggered

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Speaker 2: by a disclosure that the Hesboalav may have found one

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Speaker 2: of the devices did have something odd like explosive in

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Speaker 2: it and it was about to be exposed. So one

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Speaker 2: theory by the BBC as Israel decided to detonate these

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Speaker 2: devices rather than have them disarmed before they could be effective.

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Speaker 1: So when does this all leave asleep? And I mean

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Speaker 1: like about a week ago. Yet again we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the possibility of a ceasefire. I mean that seems completely

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Speaker 1: out the door.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yes, Now it leaves us actually nowhere. This

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Speaker 2: war has been going on since nineteen eighty two. Then

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Speaker 2: the Israelis invaded Israel in Lebanon, sorry, and Hezbollah was

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Speaker 2: formed as a kind of militia to quote defend end

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Speaker 2: quote Lebanon. And so this is just another chapter, a

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Speaker 2: rather interesting technological chapter in a long saga.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that because it allows me to

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Speaker 1: segue rather awkwardly into what really is and I don't

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Speaker 1: want to be too macalb about it. How they done

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Speaker 1: this is little short astonishing, isn't it. I mean, technologically

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Speaker 1: it's bordering on being genius without using the word incorrectly.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you have to admire the ingenuity of the Israelis

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Speaker 2: to do this. Because the supply chains started in Taiwan,

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Speaker 2: went through Hungary. Maybe or maybe not, it was undetected

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Speaker 2: all these months and weeks. It hits right at the

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Speaker 2: heart of the communications at work of Hispellah. Yes, we

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Speaker 2: will look at this with admiration for some time, whether

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Speaker 2: we agree or not that this is a war crime.

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Speaker 2: Some academics are saying, look, it's these are booby traps,

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Speaker 2: illegal under international law. I would say, no, this is war.

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Speaker 2: The target was combatants. We regret deeply collateral damage and

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Speaker 2: injury to innocent civilians, But the target was Hisbollah fighters

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Speaker 2: that are pledged to destroy Israel.

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Speaker 1: Good to talk to you as always, Stephen Hadley out

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