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Speaker 2: Hello you, great New Zealands, and welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Afternoons Full Show Podcast number one hundred and four

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Speaker 2: for Tuesday, the eighth of April twenty twenty five. Fantastic

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Speaker 2: show today. I think you're gonna love it. Can't remember

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Speaker 2: anything that wasn't it. There was some bald men at

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Speaker 2: at the end.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of bald chat.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 3: We talked about dropping off five year olds at the

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Speaker 3: morn that's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a lot of hate boy, people called

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Speaker 2: me a bad parent. And then we went deep into

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Speaker 2: the military and heard some fantastic stories about people that

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Speaker 2: have spent some time in the New Zealand Armed Forces.

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Speaker 2: So I hope you enjoy the show. Set to download, subscribe, follow,

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Speaker 2: maybe even give us a review if you'll like it.

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Speaker 2: To enjoy the show, bless you give me to Skiwe

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Speaker 2: love you.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons news Talk said.

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Speaker 3: Me, good afternoon to you. Welcome into the show. Tuesday

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Speaker 3: Afternoon seven pass one. Hope you're doing well, Get a man.

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Speaker 2: Get a tyler. You look at it rattled. You had

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Speaker 2: a bit of an altercation on the roads, did you well.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't involved in it, And I just want to

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Speaker 3: throw this out because this is an insult I haven't

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Speaker 3: heard for some time, and I kind of liked it.

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Speaker 3: But we's been pouring down with rain this morning in

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Speaker 3: Auckland and things were a bit gnally out there while

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Speaker 3: I was driving, and we're at a roundabout and I

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Speaker 3: was behind the guy in question, and someone cut off

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Speaker 3: this guy at the roundabout. No if no, buts he

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Speaker 3: was hard done by, hit his window down and he

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Speaker 3: poked his head out and he screamed, good on, Yeah

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Speaker 3: you ivan.

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Speaker 2: Spoon and spoon spoon. I haven't heard.

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Speaker 3: Spoon is an insult for many many years. Yr spoon

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Speaker 3: spoon And I'm like, I kind of like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I'd be insulted if someone called

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Speaker 3: me a spoon. An egg is another insult that that

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Speaker 3: that sort of mild and insult. Yet your egg, your spinner.

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Speaker 2: I stepped out in front of a car and I

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Speaker 2: think it was it was it was I think it

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Speaker 2: And this guy came. He was in a van and

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Speaker 2: he came screaming around the corner and he yelled out,

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Speaker 2: oh the way yu muppy, And it stuck with me

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Speaker 2: I didn't feel insultid go the way you muppy.

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Speaker 3: Just really dragged out there, mufflet. That's beautiful. Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: if spoon is still an insult you use on a

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Speaker 2: Oh that's right, I'm going to bring it out, Tyler. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're a spoon.

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Speaker 3: You're a mess of spanner.

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Speaker 2: Did it hurt when I could?

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Speaker 3: Right onto today's show after three o'clock. And it's on

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Speaker 3: the back of what has been a phenomenon as a series.

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Speaker 3: White Loatus had the season finale. Oh yeah, you're manus,

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, that one needs to be brought back

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're talking about the new movement towards receding hairlines.

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Speaker 2: Walton Goggins is considered so hot that it's now becoming

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Speaker 2: people like me with full heads of hair are now

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Speaker 3: There's something out there that can make you have a

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Speaker 2: People are getting them shaved into their hits.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The wider question is, so receding hairlines are they

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Speaker 3: but also extending that out completely baled.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Do you have a bald man and

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Speaker 2: And then all these years later it's still fine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it doesn't it doesn't matter. It just does

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Speaker 3: Bruce Willis back in the day. Oh he's still a

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Speaker 3: sixty man. But you know he rocked that baldhead. It

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Speaker 3: is after three o'clock, after two o'clock. On the back

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Speaker 3: of the huge increase in defense spending that has been

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Speaker 3: the Defense Force become a lot more attractive?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. The Defense Force is going to be

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Speaker 2: going forward? And look, if you've done it, is it

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Speaker 2: been through it. If you're a parent of a child

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Speaker 2: And look, do you have kids or family members who

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Speaker 2: because it has felt like it's been on the rot

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Speaker 2: for a while. Yeah, you know, less than one percent

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Speaker 3: Yeap looking forward to that. That is after to o' clop.

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Speaker 3: But right now, sign me up? Yeah, right now, let's

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Speaker 3: have a chat about can we do that? Can we

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Speaker 3: walk you down right now and sign you up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure you do well.

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Speaker 3: You do well in the navy.

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Speaker 2: Shave my head before it all falls out.

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Speaker 3: But right now, let's have a chat about safety at

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Speaker 3: the mall. This is on the back of a mother

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Speaker 3: who said in an article today that bystanders watched as

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Speaker 3: He was one of two eleven year old boys walking

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Speaker 3: inside of Saint Luke's Mall on Saturday afternoon when three

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Speaker 3: teens attacked them and rob them of their shoes. And

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Speaker 3: I'll watched the mother of three who didn't want to

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Speaker 2: So that's my mall, Saint Luke's, And I've been dropping

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Speaker 2: And as she said, you know, you dropped your kids

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Speaker 2: if they're not leaving them all, there's a lot they

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Speaker 2: learn independence. But how early I've got a couple of

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Speaker 2: questions about this. How young should you drop your kids off?

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Speaker 2: Offer at them all? Are you worried? Do you think

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Speaker 2: they're more violent than they used to be? I feel

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Speaker 2: like they're less violent than they used to be, And yeah,

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Speaker 2: I means it. I reckon it was pretty rough going

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Speaker 2: this is horrible. It's happened to liven year olds and

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Speaker 2: the teenagers involved should be tasted, there's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: Terrible human banks. But I believe that that people have

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Speaker 2: And I think it's actually safer at Males than it's

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Speaker 2: ever been, but it's safer for at Males than ever been.

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Speaker 2: And I think I think as soon as you can

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Males is a as a place you

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Speaker 3: a lot of people there. And in this case, I

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Speaker 3: get it there were bystanders there who appeared to not

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Speaker 3: do much. But you've got people there, you've got retail stores,

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Speaker 3: you've got security. It's all housed in.

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Speaker 2: The CCTV CCTV. Yeah, And I mean the other side

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Speaker 2: You know, they went down to the police station and

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Speaker 2: back and approached them two days later. So that's that's

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Speaker 2: a totally separate problem. But is it good parenting to

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Speaker 2: drop your kids off at them?

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Speaker 5: All?

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Speaker 2: I say seven, I say, from seven years old, drop

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Speaker 3: Seven is young? Seven is real young. Oh, one hundred

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Speaker 2: You read the Coddling of America Jonathan Hyde. He said,

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Speaker 2: And that is the problem with children now, as they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can remember. Eleven was the cutoff with mum.

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Speaker 3: And even then she was a bit anxious about letting

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Speaker 3: me go to the Nelson Mall when it wasn't much

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Speaker 3: of the mall, to be honest, But at eleven and

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Speaker 3: she asked all these questions, what stores are going to

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Speaker 3: go to, who's going to be with you? What time

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Speaker 3: are you going to actually jump back on the bus.

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Speaker 3: She was really anxious as an eleven year old seven,

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Speaker 3: No way in hell would she let me go as

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Speaker 3: a seven year old.

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Speaker 2: I was ripping up the Golden Center and toned and

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Speaker 2: at seven, don't you worry about that?

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty love to hear from

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Speaker 3: you are all still a safe place to drop your

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Speaker 3: kids off? And how young is too young to drop

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Speaker 3: them off? At the all. It is fourteen past one.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Excused

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Speaker 3: News talks ed Be and we've asked the question, how

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Speaker 3: young is too young to drop your kids off at

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Speaker 3: the mall? Is it's still a safe place to drop

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Speaker 3: your children off? This is on the back of two

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Speaker 3: eleven year old boys who were assaulted and robbed at

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Speaker 3: Auckland Saint Luke's Mall.

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Speaker 2: Earth, Texas says, hey, guys, I would not be dropping

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Speaker 2: preteens off at a more unaccompanied and unless they have

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Speaker 2: money to buy something or are going to movies or library,

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Speaker 2: there's no need for them to be there. No, I

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Speaker 2: do not think it's safer now as bystanders nowadays are

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Speaker 3: Surely that would be right up there in terms of

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Speaker 2: You go to the movies by yourself, that that's a

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean that's what the CCTV footage plays out.

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Speaker 2: The stix says, not a hangout or a babysit of

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Speaker 2: Happen something that's but that's ridiculous that you can't leave

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, you don't drop a seven year old off the

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Speaker 7: Worked out for me, But I tell you what has happen.

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Speaker 7: This was England and it's never happened since that kind

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Speaker 7: We did go to the school of the park and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean maybe not everywhere, but in a

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Speaker 7: But times have changed.

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Speaker 2: You know, and times have times changed that badly or

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Speaker 7: I'm a pretty relaxed parent, you know. I let my

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Speaker 2: Okay, Craig, I think ten eleven? Ten eleven? Yeah, okay, Well,

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Speaker 7: That's all good, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, thank you very much. I mean, particularly if they

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Speaker 2: No, you drop them off in the car park. They

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Speaker 3: Well, if they's seven years old, yeah, probably check in.

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Speaker 9: Breakfast defense boost twelve billion over four years it will

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you. Twenty seven past one, and we're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've said seven, but you know I've been negotiated.

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Speaker 2: I say that ten isn't weak.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Okay, right, you've been pushed up to ten.

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Speaker 2: your kid at that age, it's absolute insanity. Kelly, welcome

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Speaker 13: Hi, how are you?

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Speaker 3: And what's your thoughts about dropping the kids off at

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean growing independence and confidence and learning lessons

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Speaker 2: these situations where they can show independence and they can

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Speaker 2: make their own decisions for themselves and then don't have

436
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Speaker 2: their parents watching, I think that's a form of bad

437
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Speaker 2: parenting because you're you're not making them competent to go

438
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Speaker 2: out into the world. And as you say, I think it, no,

439
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Speaker 2: you go, Kelly, So.

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Speaker 13: Look at the demand on children and adolescent mental health

441
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Speaker 13: and that it is directly correlated with this whole level

442
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Speaker 13: of increased anxiety around our children's safety. You know, we

443
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Speaker 13: have all these this information of our fingertips that we

444
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Speaker 13: didn't used to have, so we see all these things

445
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Speaker 13: that we never used to see but actually still go on.

446
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Speaker 13: So yeah, I think you just need to sort of

447
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Speaker 13: take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

449
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's a good chance in a different era,

450
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Speaker 2: we wouldn't even have heard that these eleven year olds were.

451
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Speaker 13: Rob exactly my point.

452
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Speaker 2: You probably have heard of them, and the fact that

453
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Speaker 2: that is making news that some kids and look, these

454
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Speaker 2: teenagers that attack these eleven year olds are terrible people,

455
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Speaker 2: and the people that didn't step in and how for

456
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Speaker 2: terrible people. I'm not denying that horrible, but the fact

457
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Speaker 2: that we're hearing about this as in the news and

458
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Speaker 2: it's a major story probably means that Saint Luke's More

459
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Speaker 2: isn't too dangerous.

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Speaker 13: And you know, and I think at the end of

461
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Speaker 13: the day, you can't be with your children twenty four

462
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Speaker 13: seven just because of how life goes. So you're just

463
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Speaker 13: going to make sure your children are confident enough and

464
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Speaker 13: understand when stuff happens, what do they do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for you call. Kelly. I

466
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Speaker 2: totally agree.

467
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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Before we go to the news headlines, what was the

469
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Speaker 2: first More? Where was the first More? Which was the

470
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Speaker 2: first mall to open up in New Zealand shopping mall?

471
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Speaker 2: And in what year? Or nineteen two? Do you know?

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

473
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Speaker 3: to call? What age is it appropriate to drop your

474
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Speaker 3: kids off at a More? Keendy heir from you on

475
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Speaker 3: this one. It is twenty nine to two.

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Speaker 8: You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

477
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Speaker 8: no trouble with a blue bubble. The Finance Minister's warning

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Speaker 8: of the profound implications of Donald Trump's tariffs for New

479
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Speaker 8: Zealand set at ten percent as the widespread measures ratal

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Speaker 8: global markets. Nikolailli says ittle hit government books and could

481
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Speaker 8: slow our recovery from tough conditions. Labour MP and ex

482
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Speaker 8: minister David Parker is leaving politics after serving at Parliament

483
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Speaker 8: for twenty three years. The Police watchdogs found an officer

484
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Speaker 8: was unjustified in raiming a man with a car in

485
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Speaker 8: Fititianga in twenty twenty three and repeatedly punching him after

486
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Speaker 8: the man had smashed his patrol car windows. Auckland police

487
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Speaker 8: have arrested eighteens and two separate incidents yesterday after tracking

488
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Speaker 8: vehicles with the Eagle Helicopter one, causing traffic chaos New Lynn.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, ray Lean. And we've asked the question,

496
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Speaker 3: how young is too young to drop your children off

497
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Speaker 3: at the mall? And are malls still safe for children

498
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Speaker 3: to be independent?

499
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like half the Texas here are very

500
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Speaker 2: anxious parents that want to report me to Aranga Tamariki

501
00:23:04,733 --> 00:23:06,653
Speaker 2: are around me saying that you should drop your kids

502
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Speaker 2: off at Maul's from seven.

503
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you've come up slightly. I mean you

504
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Speaker 3: still family believe seven's okay.

505
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'm just saying we used to drop

506
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Speaker 2: them off, and like a lot of the kids in

507
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Speaker 2: the neighborhood were fine with it. We dropped like five

508
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Speaker 2: or six seven year olds off at the malls. I'd

509
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Speaker 2: go around, have something to eat, go up and watch

510
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Speaker 2: a movie, and then come out and you pick them up.

511
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Speaker 2: I mean it's a pretty safe environment. I mean, obviously

512
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Speaker 2: this case with this eleven year old's not great, but

513
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Speaker 2: it's a reasonably safe environment. And you have to look.

514
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Speaker 2: Anxious parents make anxious kids. Yep, that's just that's the

515
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Speaker 2: fact of it. Nope, not listening to heath on this.

516
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Speaker 2: Chance and luck are two things that Matt is happy

517
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Speaker 2: to rely on. But prudence is safer definitely wouldn't take

518
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Speaker 2: parenting advice from Matt Heath based on that shocker of

519
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Speaker 2: a call. Okay, well don't then, Yeah, sounds like you're

520
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Speaker 2: a bit of a water though. Hey, the question before,

521
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Speaker 2: what was the first shopping mall in New Zealand? Yep,

522
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Speaker 2: Lynn Mall ah and you Lynn Well opened in nineteen

523
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Speaker 2: sixty three, far Roun, that was the first shopping all

524
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Speaker 2: in New Zealand nine sixty.

525
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Speaker 3: Three, and a few Texters got that, so well done.

526
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Speaker 3: One hundred and.

527
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Speaker 2: Eighty Still a great mall, Still a great mall. I

528
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Speaker 2: drop a five year old off a Lynne Moore.

529
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Speaker 3: Oh ten eighty is the number to call this.

530
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Speaker 2: Texas is totally a responsible dropping off kids at malls

531
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Speaker 2: at seven years old. You're looking for trouble. All you

532
00:24:22,973 --> 00:24:24,693
Speaker 2: need to do is look at the increased crime rate

533
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Speaker 2: of kids as young as eight committing in malls. In

534
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Speaker 2: malls and I'm a very liberal seventy six year old

535
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Speaker 2: who's grown family, grandkids and great grandchildren, totally agree with you.

536
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Speaker 2: Cheers Malcolm. Fair enough, you have definitely allowed to disagree

537
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Speaker 2: with me. But I mean, as people say, a bus

538
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Speaker 2: stop is quite full on for kids. That's a lot

539
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Speaker 2: of stuff happens. Yeah, you know, and you're definitely allow

540
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Speaker 2: seven year old to walk home by themselves from school,

541
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Speaker 2: wouldn't you if you're in if you're the primary schools

542
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Speaker 2: in your neighborhood, yep.

543
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Speaker 3: And probably jump on the bus if they have to

544
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Speaker 3: get on a public bus to get Hume.

545
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So a mall has security, it has CCTV footage,

546
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Speaker 2: it's an enclosed area. They can walk around it. They

547
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Speaker 2: might have some nasty altercations with kids their age. They

548
00:25:08,093 --> 00:25:09,613
Speaker 2: might well just quota that.

549
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Speaker 3: The worst thing Malcolm's point that he raised there the

550
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Speaker 3: increased crime rate of kids as young as eight. I

551
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Speaker 3: mean clearly that is the exception, not the rule. They

552
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Speaker 3: are very specific incidences that happened maybe eighteen months, two

553
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Speaker 3: years ago. I haven't seen any nefarious behavior when I've

554
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Speaker 3: been in the mall. There's no anti social activity going on.

555
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Speaker 3: There's no scratch, there's no eight year olds running around

556
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Speaker 3: on crime t freeze. It's just not happening in the

557
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Speaker 3: malls I go to.

558
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Speaker 2: You should have seen the kind of stuff we got

559
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Speaker 2: up to a Prospect Park in Dunedin when I was

560
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Speaker 2: going up. Yeah, tell you what, Ben, Welcome to the

561
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Speaker 2: show your thoughts on this, hey, plis.

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Speaker 14: Look, I get all the anxiety. Man, He's got four

563
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Speaker 14: kads myself, and the biggest se I have in my

564
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Speaker 14: is something happening to them. We've seen all these the

565
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Speaker 14: parents before in the past on the Kelly pleading with

566
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Speaker 14: the media or with the kidnapper who was out there

567
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Speaker 14: somewhere to get back to the child, and he just

568
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Speaker 14: you know, I can understand why couldn't get off by

569
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Speaker 14: these things. But on the flip side of that, I've

570
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Speaker 14: got my boy was allowed.

571
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Speaker 15: To get into the all when he was keen, my daughters.

572
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Speaker 16: When they were twelve, and.

573
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I'm never you know there like I've got one

574
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Speaker 14: now it's jumped on the bus and she's off to

575
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Speaker 14: high school. And I've just come to the come to

576
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Speaker 14: a place where where I'm always gonna have that fear.

577
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Speaker 14: But if I didn't do this, it's the kids that

578
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Speaker 14: mess out. You know, they've got other mates in their

579
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Speaker 14: groups that are allowed to do this. You know, they're

580
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Speaker 14: allowed to get out of the mall and whatnot. And

581
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Speaker 14: I guess as part of it, you know, keeping up

582
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Speaker 14: with the with the with their mates and whatnot.

583
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Speaker 16: But but yeah, I just think if we don't wrap

584
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Speaker 16: ourselves and cotton wall will go. And you know, yet

585
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Speaker 16: we can avoid travel. We go ourselves in the cell

586
00:27:01,253 --> 00:27:05,253
Speaker 16: and wrap ourselves and cotton wall. Yet but what does

587
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Speaker 16: that do for us? And you know, and so yeah,

588
00:27:12,653 --> 00:27:16,133
Speaker 16: yeah said, I said, two lessons, and you had to

589
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Speaker 16: how to have a bit of a scrap. You know,

590
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Speaker 16: we had a bit of a place for it, a

591
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Speaker 16: bit of a here's what you do, and we've gone

592
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Speaker 16: through the motions with you know, keep your eye up

593
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Speaker 16: with this and this is what you do if this happens.

594
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Speaker 16: And but yeah, at the end of the day, you know,

595
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Speaker 16: I think last more important than last for a living.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, thank you so much for your call.

597
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Speaker 2: Ben yep, I agree with you. CCTV doesn't even factor

598
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Speaker 2: into the decision making of criminals. But I mean, how

599
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Speaker 2: safe does somewhere have to be? I mean, I'm not

600
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Speaker 2: talking about just dumping them all day when you go

601
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Speaker 2: to work. I'm talking about a control drop off. You

602
00:27:52,853 --> 00:27:54,493
Speaker 2: drop your kids are going to be You're going to

603
00:27:54,533 --> 00:27:57,493
Speaker 2: the movies, so beforehand, going get yourself, will drop you off,

604
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Speaker 2: Go and get yourself a bite tea, go to the

605
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Speaker 2: movies and we'll pick you up straight afterwards. I mean, really,

606
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Speaker 2: how dangerous is that at a shopping mall?

607
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Speaker 3: Come on, yeah, oh, come on, Oh eight hundred and

608
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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is

609
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Speaker 3: twenty to two. Back very shortly here on news talks, heb.

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Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be good afternoon seventeen to two, and we're talking

613
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Speaker 3: about safety at the mall. Would you drop your kids

614
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Speaker 3: off as young as seven, eight, nine, ten and feel

615
00:28:29,213 --> 00:28:30,413
Speaker 3: safe of them being in the mall?

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Speaker 2: Dead? Welcome to the show. Your thoughts on this?

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Speaker 17: Hi, Hello, I've no, I'm all for it. I I

618
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Speaker 17: think you can drop your kids off at the swimming

619
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Speaker 17: pool at like eight, because I think I'd probably have

620
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Speaker 17: more of a problem than that than dropping them at

621
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Speaker 17: the mall. But you know, but I used to drop

622
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Speaker 17: my kids in the tweet later, you know, mid to

623
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Speaker 17: late twenties. But I used to drop them off at

624
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Speaker 17: the more I can't remember, probably nineteen or something. Can

625
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Speaker 17: then pick them back up and then they're aloud on

626
00:29:00,053 --> 00:29:02,853
Speaker 17: the bikes and bike around the street and you know,

627
00:29:03,453 --> 00:29:06,213
Speaker 17: little things like that. So I'm probably more protect them

628
00:29:06,213 --> 00:29:11,613
Speaker 17: with my grandchildren than what yeah the way, but no,

629
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Speaker 17: I yeah, I'm a bit like on this one. It's

630
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Speaker 17: pretty controlled in there. And there's not really a lot

631
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Speaker 17: of problems that go on in Maulls that I noticed.

632
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Speaker 17: And I live in christ Chute, so you know, and

633
00:29:25,133 --> 00:29:28,653
Speaker 17: there's no there's not always good happens in christ Church,

634
00:29:28,813 --> 00:29:33,133
Speaker 17: so yeah, no. And I think also if you project

635
00:29:33,213 --> 00:29:36,933
Speaker 17: anxiety onto your children, they become very very anxious as well.

636
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Speaker 17: Just catch the bus by themselves when they were like

637
00:29:41,173 --> 00:29:46,333
Speaker 17: eight and nine to where I was studying and they

638
00:29:46,333 --> 00:29:50,133
Speaker 17: were only young mento. So yeah, but just.

639
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Speaker 3: Talking about sorry to jump in, they're deep just talking

640
00:29:52,053 --> 00:29:55,133
Speaker 3: about christ Church and Rickett and mall was obviously probably

641
00:29:55,333 --> 00:29:57,933
Speaker 3: the biggest mall there. But would you is there still

642
00:29:57,933 --> 00:30:00,813
Speaker 3: an issue with the Ricketen bus exchange that used to

643
00:30:00,893 --> 00:30:04,813
Speaker 3: be a little bit of a hot bed for kids,

644
00:30:04,933 --> 00:30:07,173
Speaker 3: you know, having scraps and getting up to no good?

645
00:30:07,253 --> 00:30:08,013
Speaker 3: Is that still the case?

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Speaker 17: Well, I so when my kids were younger that the

647
00:30:12,213 --> 00:30:17,253
Speaker 17: bus exchange hadn't wasn't there then, But I haven't heard

648
00:30:17,293 --> 00:30:19,733
Speaker 17: a lot, but I know, like in the last it

649
00:30:19,813 --> 00:30:22,053
Speaker 17: has been like that, but I haven't heard of any

650
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Speaker 17: incidences like publicly for a long time. But there's no

651
00:30:26,053 --> 00:30:29,333
Speaker 17: different than the bus. It's such change in christ Central.

652
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Speaker 17: I mean, nothing good probably happen here. And that's more

653
00:30:33,533 --> 00:30:36,373
Speaker 17: with teenagers and things like that. So you own people

654
00:30:36,413 --> 00:30:38,293
Speaker 17: were collas and or whatever.

655
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Speaker 14: And just just what have you.

656
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Speaker 17: But now I'm all for the kids to be dropped

657
00:30:41,973 --> 00:30:43,093
Speaker 17: at the malls going.

658
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, deb Yeah, so yeah, I mean

659
00:30:46,733 --> 00:30:49,013
Speaker 2: things happen at bus stops, things happen on the streets.

660
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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is you need to look I believe,

661
00:30:52,293 --> 00:30:54,253
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know everything. My kids turned out great,

662
00:30:54,293 --> 00:30:56,373
Speaker 2: but that was probably luck. As someone said, who knows.

663
00:30:56,733 --> 00:31:00,653
Speaker 2: But I believe you need to look for opportunities for

664
00:31:00,693 --> 00:31:02,773
Speaker 2: your kids to be independent from you as much as

665
00:31:02,773 --> 00:31:06,933
Speaker 2: you can. And I just believe that shopping malls, and

666
00:31:07,093 --> 00:31:09,133
Speaker 2: it just happens to be this incinnet having at Saint Luke's,

667
00:31:09,133 --> 00:31:10,933
Speaker 2: which happens to be the shopping mall near my house.

668
00:31:10,973 --> 00:31:12,693
Speaker 2: So I've been dropping my kids off there for a

669
00:31:12,813 --> 00:31:15,933
Speaker 2: very long time. I just feel like as an opportunity

670
00:31:15,933 --> 00:31:19,813
Speaker 2: for them to be independent, shopping malls pretty good. There's security, there,

671
00:31:19,693 --> 00:31:24,933
Speaker 2: there's cameras there, there's lights there. It's contained. I mean,

672
00:31:24,973 --> 00:31:27,053
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about dropping them off when the mall

673
00:31:27,093 --> 00:31:30,373
Speaker 2: opens and picking them up whenever at night. I'm talking

674
00:31:30,453 --> 00:31:34,973
Speaker 2: about knowing where they are and doing it actively. Not

675
00:31:35,293 --> 00:31:37,293
Speaker 2: because someone says, Matt, you're just dropping your kids off

676
00:31:37,333 --> 00:31:38,973
Speaker 2: because you can't deal with them there hungover. It's not

677
00:31:38,973 --> 00:31:42,413
Speaker 2: that actively looking for reasons and places that your kids

678
00:31:42,453 --> 00:31:45,453
Speaker 2: can be independent. I agree with Matt, drop the kids

679
00:31:45,493 --> 00:31:47,333
Speaker 2: off the mall at seven and pick them up again

680
00:31:47,413 --> 00:31:49,933
Speaker 2: at ten the following morning, once they hangover has worn

681
00:31:50,013 --> 00:31:50,773
Speaker 2: offs his nephew.

682
00:31:51,933 --> 00:31:53,853
Speaker 3: But the follow up to what you're saying there clearly

683
00:31:54,013 --> 00:31:55,773
Speaker 3: is that you would teach your kids a little bit

684
00:31:55,813 --> 00:31:57,973
Speaker 3: anounced about what to do if they get into a

685
00:31:58,053 --> 00:32:00,293
Speaker 3: situation that they shouldn't be in. Right, That is all

686
00:32:00,293 --> 00:32:03,453
Speaker 3: part of it is that educate them outter if you exactly,

687
00:32:03,493 --> 00:32:06,013
Speaker 3: if there's older kids that are giving you a hard time,

688
00:32:06,493 --> 00:32:07,133
Speaker 3: just walk away.

689
00:32:07,213 --> 00:32:09,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm not talking about I wasn't doing it

690
00:32:09,333 --> 00:32:12,933
Speaker 2: a lot. It was pointed, here's a movie you want

691
00:32:12,973 --> 00:32:15,453
Speaker 2: to go to. We're dropping you and your five friends off.

692
00:32:15,493 --> 00:32:17,853
Speaker 2: You're all seven and eight. Go to the movie. We'll

693
00:32:17,853 --> 00:32:20,213
Speaker 2: pick cap upward. Where does law stand leaving a child

694
00:32:20,213 --> 00:32:22,373
Speaker 2: of seven without an adult present in a mall? You

695
00:32:22,413 --> 00:32:25,933
Speaker 2: cannot have someone under fourteen babysitting children, so why can

696
00:32:26,013 --> 00:32:27,773
Speaker 2: you take a child and leave them at the mall

697
00:32:27,813 --> 00:32:31,293
Speaker 2: without supervision? It's ridiculous that anyone would leave a seven

698
00:32:31,333 --> 00:32:34,613
Speaker 2: year old at a mall with all without friends.

699
00:32:34,813 --> 00:32:36,013
Speaker 3: It's very very well done.

700
00:32:36,213 --> 00:32:39,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a bit harsh to read that text

701
00:32:39,493 --> 00:32:41,933
Speaker 2: like that, and I'm differently putting my spin on it.

702
00:32:41,973 --> 00:32:43,933
Speaker 3: I'm sure she didn't sound that you can leave.

703
00:32:43,853 --> 00:32:47,133
Speaker 2: A child under fourteen at home or in another place

704
00:32:47,213 --> 00:32:50,053
Speaker 2: if you have made reasonable provisions to have them supervising

705
00:32:50,133 --> 00:32:53,053
Speaker 2: kid for safely and they're not left for a long time.

706
00:32:53,173 --> 00:32:55,893
Speaker 2: There you go, Yeah, there you go. So surely you

707
00:32:55,893 --> 00:32:57,733
Speaker 2: can hiff them through the front door of Saint Luke's

708
00:32:57,733 --> 00:32:58,973
Speaker 2: Moore and put them up an hour later?

709
00:32:59,373 --> 00:33:03,453
Speaker 3: The stickster, So many wispbags and anxiety ridden nervous nellies.

710
00:33:03,493 --> 00:33:05,693
Speaker 3: Did you write this man out there? How are these

711
00:33:05,773 --> 00:33:08,493
Speaker 3: kids going to learn how to handle dodgy situation and

712
00:33:08,493 --> 00:33:11,573
Speaker 3: sketchy places later in life if they can't practice independent

713
00:33:11,613 --> 00:33:13,093
Speaker 3: decision making earlier in life.

714
00:33:13,293 --> 00:33:15,373
Speaker 2: Anxious parents make anxious kids.

715
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Speaker 3: Yes, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

716
00:33:18,933 --> 00:33:22,653
Speaker 3: to call. It is twelve to two.

717
00:33:23,093 --> 00:33:26,653
Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

718
00:33:26,693 --> 00:33:29,293
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Tyler Adams

719
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Speaker 1: Afternoons News Talks.

720
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Speaker 3: EDB, News talks 'B. It is ten to two and

721
00:33:34,693 --> 00:33:36,813
Speaker 3: we're talking about safety at the mall and how young

722
00:33:36,893 --> 00:33:38,453
Speaker 3: is too young to drop your kids off at the

723
00:33:38,453 --> 00:33:40,773
Speaker 3: mall for a couple of hours, whether it's watching a

724
00:33:40,813 --> 00:33:43,333
Speaker 3: movie or you know, playing the space's time zone. I

725
00:33:43,333 --> 00:33:44,013
Speaker 3: think they call it.

726
00:33:44,533 --> 00:33:47,893
Speaker 2: This is after mum has gone to the media after

727
00:33:47,973 --> 00:33:50,773
Speaker 2: eleven year old her eleven year old was robbed at Auckland's,

728
00:33:50,813 --> 00:33:53,693
Speaker 2: a busiest mall. In an incident at Saint Look's shopping

729
00:33:53,733 --> 00:33:57,093
Speaker 2: mall on March the twenty ninth, bystanders watched as their

730
00:33:57,173 --> 00:34:01,213
Speaker 2: kid was robbed for their shoes, which is a nasty thing.

731
00:34:01,493 --> 00:34:04,733
Speaker 2: But I'm saying this is a shouldn't stop people dropping

732
00:34:04,733 --> 00:34:06,773
Speaker 2: their kids off. More so, I think it's great for

733
00:34:07,133 --> 00:34:10,053
Speaker 2: kids to get independence. I also think bystanders jump in

734
00:34:10,133 --> 00:34:13,732
Speaker 2: under those circumstances. But it's all call on CCTV this

735
00:34:14,093 --> 00:34:17,893
Speaker 2: situation and the police are investigating, so hopefully they find

736
00:34:18,293 --> 00:34:23,053
Speaker 2: the dirty little scumbags that did it. Absolutely, why on

737
00:34:23,133 --> 00:34:25,253
Speaker 2: earth would you leave your kids that are shopping mall.

738
00:34:25,293 --> 00:34:27,853
Speaker 2: It's for shopping, not a playground. Who said they weren't shopping?

739
00:34:28,173 --> 00:34:29,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, it shopping.

740
00:34:29,613 --> 00:34:32,253
Speaker 2: No one said they weren't shopping. What we're talking about

741
00:34:32,293 --> 00:34:33,853
Speaker 2: is dropping them off to go to the movies or

742
00:34:33,893 --> 00:34:37,213
Speaker 2: such or get have a go and buy a specific

743
00:34:37,253 --> 00:34:39,013
Speaker 2: thing that they need to buy, and then picking them

744
00:34:39,093 --> 00:34:39,853
Speaker 2: up an hour later.

745
00:34:39,973 --> 00:34:44,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, what oh was it about the kids? Sounds like

746
00:34:45,453 --> 00:34:47,053
Speaker 3: you just want to get rid of your kids, Matt.

747
00:34:47,093 --> 00:34:49,333
Speaker 3: Probably use an iPad to entertain them when you're out

748
00:34:49,373 --> 00:34:52,253
Speaker 3: as well. It's not sending them to them all. Age

749
00:34:52,293 --> 00:34:55,613
Speaker 3: seven is way too young. Thank you for those techs

750
00:34:55,613 --> 00:34:57,933
Speaker 3: coming through. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

751
00:34:58,013 --> 00:35:02,053
Speaker 3: the number. Call we'll go to Dave. Dave, how are

752
00:35:02,053 --> 00:35:02,853
Speaker 3: you this afternoon?

753
00:35:04,293 --> 00:35:08,573
Speaker 5: I'm reasonably well, Thank you very much. I grew up

754
00:35:08,573 --> 00:35:13,453
Speaker 5: in the sixties and the seventies, and you know, this

755
00:35:13,693 --> 00:35:17,933
Speaker 5: is a totally different age wherein now, this is the

756
00:35:17,973 --> 00:35:22,613
Speaker 5: age of weapons. Weaponry. Knives is the thing, and that

757
00:35:22,773 --> 00:35:25,493
Speaker 5: just didn't happen back in the sixties or seventies, and

758
00:35:25,533 --> 00:35:27,213
Speaker 5: if it did, it would have made.

759
00:35:27,053 --> 00:35:28,133
Speaker 10: The national news.

760
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Speaker 5: I mean, now it's just normal. I mean, you drop

761
00:35:32,493 --> 00:35:36,053
Speaker 5: an eleven year old, you drop a seventeen year old,

762
00:35:36,093 --> 00:35:39,013
Speaker 5: of there's going to be someone around in a mall

763
00:35:39,173 --> 00:35:42,813
Speaker 5: or wherever who's carrying a knife now, because it's just

764
00:35:43,093 --> 00:35:48,213
Speaker 5: dereg it's the done thing for these thugs to be doing.

765
00:35:48,373 --> 00:35:51,653
Speaker 2: And so has there been is there in shopping malls?

766
00:35:51,773 --> 00:35:56,213
Speaker 2: So there's stats on a lot of knife crime from

767
00:35:56,373 --> 00:35:58,693
Speaker 2: in shopping malls on young kids?

768
00:35:59,013 --> 00:36:02,652
Speaker 5: No, there are not stats a lot of stats or

769
00:36:02,733 --> 00:36:07,013
Speaker 5: stats in general in shopping malls. But I mean it's

770
00:36:07,053 --> 00:36:11,493
Speaker 5: anywhere now, and if they if they can ram raid

771
00:36:11,573 --> 00:36:14,573
Speaker 5: in shopping malls, you know that that kind of age,

772
00:36:14,653 --> 00:36:16,652
Speaker 5: I mean that that would have been the end of

773
00:36:16,693 --> 00:36:17,133
Speaker 5: the world.

774
00:36:17,813 --> 00:36:21,373
Speaker 2: But would you would agree, Dave, that as parents, we

775
00:36:21,493 --> 00:36:24,573
Speaker 2: need to be looking for opportunities for our kids to

776
00:36:24,853 --> 00:36:30,293
Speaker 2: be independent and be away from us. And look, I

777
00:36:30,373 --> 00:36:33,373
Speaker 2: just believe myself that shopping malls are safer then a

778
00:36:33,413 --> 00:36:36,333
Speaker 2: lot of other options. So would you agree that we

779
00:36:36,373 --> 00:36:39,732
Speaker 2: need to look for places where our kids can you know,

780
00:36:39,973 --> 00:36:40,973
Speaker 2: show their independence.

781
00:36:43,013 --> 00:36:47,053
Speaker 5: Well, I guess the shopping malls better than most places.

782
00:36:47,253 --> 00:36:48,013
Speaker 2: But it's all.

783
00:36:50,293 --> 00:36:54,813
Speaker 5: There's a propensity now, a huge propensity for people to

784
00:36:54,893 --> 00:36:58,133
Speaker 5: be carrying knives and it just doesn't matter. It can

785
00:36:58,293 --> 00:37:02,853
Speaker 5: happen anywhere, any time, and I think you have to

786
00:37:02,853 --> 00:37:06,293
Speaker 5: be aware of that because it is now the done

787
00:37:06,413 --> 00:37:09,253
Speaker 5: thing for them to do, and they they'll do it.

788
00:37:09,493 --> 00:37:11,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you so much for you call, Dave.

789
00:37:11,613 --> 00:37:13,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, just going back to it, I think

790
00:37:14,973 --> 00:37:20,253
Speaker 3: clearly the anxiety generation and we get bombarded with the

791
00:37:20,373 --> 00:37:23,413
Speaker 3: extremes of what happens in society, and that is just

792
00:37:23,733 --> 00:37:26,573
Speaker 3: that has happened for a long time. But yes, these

793
00:37:26,893 --> 00:37:29,613
Speaker 3: specific stories like this one, these two eleven year old's

794
00:37:29,613 --> 00:37:31,893
Speaker 3: being set on that is not a great situation. We

795
00:37:31,893 --> 00:37:34,253
Speaker 3: can all agree on that. But is it happening so

796
00:37:34,453 --> 00:37:37,252
Speaker 3: often that it is such a dangerous environment for kids

797
00:37:37,293 --> 00:37:39,573
Speaker 3: to be in these days? That's the question we're asking.

798
00:37:39,733 --> 00:37:41,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm saying the fact that I read

799
00:37:41,813 --> 00:37:44,573
Speaker 2: this means to me that it's not happening that much,

800
00:37:44,853 --> 00:37:48,493
Speaker 2: happening that much at shopping malls. Yeah, I know, it's

801
00:37:48,493 --> 00:37:50,533
Speaker 2: happening out on the streets. I'm just saying that a

802
00:37:50,613 --> 00:37:53,732
Speaker 2: shopping mall is a safe place. Here's another text. When

803
00:37:53,773 --> 00:37:55,732
Speaker 2: someone doesn't agree with you. Why do you read their

804
00:37:55,773 --> 00:37:58,693
Speaker 2: text in an angry, gragey way. I don't know anyone

805
00:37:58,693 --> 00:38:00,333
Speaker 2: who would leave their seven year old in a more

806
00:38:00,373 --> 00:38:02,973
Speaker 2: than twenty twenty five But each text you read like that,

807
00:38:03,293 --> 00:38:06,293
Speaker 2: you do in a tone that's not necessary how they're

808
00:38:06,333 --> 00:38:09,573
Speaker 2: saying it. It's really frustrating from Sam. I'll stop doing that, Sam.

809
00:38:10,933 --> 00:38:13,212
Speaker 2: In fact, I don't think I do do that. Yeah,

810
00:38:13,413 --> 00:38:17,773
Speaker 2: I don't think I read out text in a different

811
00:38:17,853 --> 00:38:19,253
Speaker 2: voice if I don't agree with them.

812
00:38:20,293 --> 00:38:23,853
Speaker 3: Guys I worked. Sorry, if you worked in center management,

813
00:38:23,853 --> 00:38:25,613
Speaker 3: as I did in the nineties at both Saint Luke's

814
00:38:25,613 --> 00:38:29,093
Speaker 3: and nor Share City. Sure City was the worst teens world.

815
00:38:29,173 --> 00:38:31,652
Speaker 3: Watch the kids getting into the toilet's next thing come

816
00:38:31,653 --> 00:38:35,533
Speaker 3: out in jackets, shoes, trousers, caps, the lot, leaving poor

817
00:38:35,613 --> 00:38:38,453
Speaker 3: kids with no clothes until someone else went in and

818
00:38:38,453 --> 00:38:41,133
Speaker 3: got us out. We add spare sets of clothes for

819
00:38:41,173 --> 00:38:43,533
Speaker 3: the boys in the office. That was thirty five years ago.

820
00:38:44,773 --> 00:38:46,933
Speaker 2: I'll let there's no doubt that bad things happen. I'm

821
00:38:46,973 --> 00:38:49,533
Speaker 2: not saying that. I'm not saying that bad things don't happen.

822
00:38:49,573 --> 00:38:52,413
Speaker 2: They definitely do. They'd be crazy, but that's part of

823
00:38:52,453 --> 00:38:54,613
Speaker 2: the bad things happen in the world.

824
00:38:54,693 --> 00:38:59,173
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, right, good discussion. A lot of grumpy texts,

825
00:38:59,173 --> 00:39:01,173
Speaker 3: so for that one for that, but we're going to

826
00:39:01,293 --> 00:39:03,613
Speaker 3: change it up after two o'clock. We want to talk

827
00:39:03,653 --> 00:39:07,693
Speaker 3: about a defense spending. It's going to be considerably increased,

828
00:39:07,733 --> 00:39:10,933
Speaker 3: twelve billion, nine billion of that will be new money.

829
00:39:11,053 --> 00:39:13,653
Speaker 3: But we want to talk about going into the defense

830
00:39:13,733 --> 00:39:15,853
Speaker 3: force as a career. Is it a lot more attractive

831
00:39:15,893 --> 00:39:18,053
Speaker 3: now than it has been for a long long time.

832
00:39:18,293 --> 00:39:20,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, looks like it's got a flash future.

833
00:39:20,293 --> 00:39:23,253
Speaker 3: Yep. Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the

834
00:39:23,373 --> 00:39:25,853
Speaker 3: number to call. Love your thoughts and if you are

835
00:39:25,933 --> 00:39:28,093
Speaker 3: in the military now really can to have a chat

836
00:39:28,133 --> 00:39:30,733
Speaker 3: with you. It is four minutes to two. You're listening

837
00:39:30,773 --> 00:39:32,813
Speaker 3: to Matt and Tyner. Very good afternoon to your new

838
00:39:32,933 --> 00:39:34,573
Speaker 3: sport and weather on its.

839
00:39:34,453 --> 00:39:52,213
Speaker 18: Way forget about it.

840
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Speaker 1: Peace talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor

841
00:40:02,253 --> 00:40:04,853
Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons, New's talk sid the.

842
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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.

843
00:40:09,333 --> 00:40:14,093
Speaker 3: Six past too, So let's have a chat about defense

844
00:40:14,133 --> 00:40:17,213
Speaker 3: spending and careers in the defense force. This is on

845
00:40:17,253 --> 00:40:19,333
Speaker 3: the back of twelve billion dollars. It will be spent

846
00:40:19,413 --> 00:40:22,093
Speaker 3: over the next four years. Nine billion of that will

847
00:40:22,093 --> 00:40:25,333
Speaker 3: be new money. The plan will lift defense spending to

848
00:40:25,413 --> 00:40:29,213
Speaker 3: more than two percent of GDP in the next eight years.

849
00:40:29,333 --> 00:40:29,573
Speaker 6: Yeah.

850
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Speaker 2: So in the past we've had trouble with recruitment and

851
00:40:32,413 --> 00:40:35,093
Speaker 2: retention in the arms services. I mean a lot of

852
00:40:35,093 --> 00:40:37,933
Speaker 2: that was to do with the Defense Force recently being

853
00:40:38,053 --> 00:40:41,733
Speaker 2: used as prison guards for fellow citizens in MiQ camps.

854
00:40:42,293 --> 00:40:45,333
Speaker 2: But going forward is being in the military in the

855
00:40:45,373 --> 00:40:49,733
Speaker 2: Defense Force a job, an enticing job for young people

856
00:40:49,893 --> 00:40:51,853
Speaker 2: or people of age that are still allowed to get

857
00:40:51,853 --> 00:40:55,493
Speaker 2: into the military. And you know, if you're a parent,

858
00:40:55,613 --> 00:40:57,453
Speaker 2: is that where you want to see your kids? Would

859
00:40:57,453 --> 00:40:59,453
Speaker 2: you want to see your kids joining the Defense Force?

860
00:40:59,453 --> 00:41:02,213
Speaker 2: Because it looks like it's moving out of a period

861
00:41:02,253 --> 00:41:04,773
Speaker 2: of decay. You've got to say, for a very long time,

862
00:41:05,133 --> 00:41:07,133
Speaker 2: defense in New Zealand has been put on the back

863
00:41:07,173 --> 00:41:12,013
Speaker 2: burner one percent of our GDP for some time. We're

864
00:41:12,053 --> 00:41:14,933
Speaker 2: now moving up to over two percent of our GDP.

865
00:41:15,413 --> 00:41:17,693
Speaker 2: So there's going to be flash of toys, there's going

866
00:41:17,773 --> 00:41:20,013
Speaker 2: to be more of a focus on it. So does

867
00:41:20,013 --> 00:41:21,253
Speaker 2: that make it a better career?

868
00:41:21,413 --> 00:41:23,533
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh, e one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If

869
00:41:23,573 --> 00:41:25,973
Speaker 3: you're a parent now and your child has eyed up

870
00:41:26,053 --> 00:41:29,493
Speaker 3: joining the Defense Force, we'd love to hear from you. Certainly,

871
00:41:30,173 --> 00:41:32,213
Speaker 3: nine billion dollars of new money going in over the

872
00:41:32,213 --> 00:41:34,573
Speaker 3: next four years, and just going through the list of

873
00:41:34,613 --> 00:41:38,333
Speaker 3: these major investments. So that's going to mean enhanced strike capabilities,

874
00:41:38,373 --> 00:41:43,933
Speaker 3: frigate sustatement program, persistence of veillance, replacing the maritime helicopters, javelin,

875
00:41:43,973 --> 00:41:50,333
Speaker 3: anti tech tank, missile upgrades, space special operation sustatement, space capabilities.

876
00:41:50,613 --> 00:41:53,573
Speaker 3: And then when you look at the infrastructure, accommodation, missing

877
00:41:53,613 --> 00:41:57,733
Speaker 3: and dining, modernization, defense of state regeneration. There is a

878
00:41:57,813 --> 00:41:59,933
Speaker 3: lot that they are going to be doing to jush

879
00:42:00,013 --> 00:42:03,853
Speaker 3: up our overall defense capabilities and our infrastructure.

880
00:42:04,053 --> 00:42:08,213
Speaker 2: Hey, and if you have been through Defense Force training,

881
00:42:08,573 --> 00:42:10,533
Speaker 2: we'd love to hear from you as well, if it's

882
00:42:10,573 --> 00:42:13,293
Speaker 2: been recent or even in the past. What does it

883
00:42:13,333 --> 00:42:15,893
Speaker 2: take you know, what is it? What is it like

884
00:42:16,693 --> 00:42:19,413
Speaker 2: being in the Defense Force, both the training and as

885
00:42:19,453 --> 00:42:22,413
Speaker 2: a career eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty Yes,

886
00:42:22,493 --> 00:42:23,853
Speaker 2: So are they what are they getting rid of the

887
00:42:23,973 --> 00:42:25,453
Speaker 2: NH ninety helicopters.

888
00:42:25,933 --> 00:42:29,693
Speaker 3: Good question, because the line here is replacing the maritime helicopters.

889
00:42:29,693 --> 00:42:31,933
Speaker 3: They are the current maritime helicopters.

890
00:42:31,453 --> 00:42:34,853
Speaker 2: Right they are? Yeah, Actually I need to know what

891
00:42:34,893 --> 00:42:39,053
Speaker 2: a maritime helicopters. The NH nineties of those Bergars helicopters.

892
00:42:39,093 --> 00:42:40,573
Speaker 2: I was on one the other day. They're very cool.

893
00:42:40,573 --> 00:42:41,933
Speaker 2: Well about the end of last.

894
00:42:41,813 --> 00:42:44,333
Speaker 3: Year, Yeah, yeah, I one hundred eighty ten eighty. And

895
00:42:44,453 --> 00:42:48,533
Speaker 3: just on the training that it used to be offered

896
00:42:48,533 --> 00:42:51,693
Speaker 3: as an increased incentive that you join the Defense Force

897
00:42:51,733 --> 00:42:55,013
Speaker 3: and they will pay for your training in quite specialized areas.

898
00:42:55,173 --> 00:42:56,773
Speaker 3: And that was a hell of a perk that if

899
00:42:56,813 --> 00:42:59,533
Speaker 3: you wanted to get into it, or engineering or a

900
00:42:59,613 --> 00:43:01,653
Speaker 3: raft of other things. They said to you, come and

901
00:43:01,733 --> 00:43:04,413
Speaker 3: join the Defense Force. Give us five years of your time.

902
00:43:04,493 --> 00:43:07,333
Speaker 3: Hopefully there's not going to be anything, you know, war

903
00:43:07,413 --> 00:43:10,533
Speaker 3: breaking out or or whatever, but give us five years

904
00:43:10,533 --> 00:43:12,453
Speaker 3: and we will give you a degree in what you

905
00:43:12,453 --> 00:43:12,853
Speaker 3: want to do.

906
00:43:12,933 --> 00:43:14,732
Speaker 2: Well, hang on a minute, if you're joined the Defense Force,

907
00:43:14,773 --> 00:43:16,533
Speaker 2: you should be joining because you're willing to fight. You

908
00:43:16,573 --> 00:43:18,373
Speaker 2: can't be well, are you saying that people should be

909
00:43:18,373 --> 00:43:21,053
Speaker 2: scamming the system going through with and no intention of

910
00:43:21,093 --> 00:43:25,093
Speaker 2: doing the full requirements that should be called upon.

911
00:43:25,213 --> 00:43:27,893
Speaker 3: Some people would have absolutely if they were called upon.

912
00:43:27,933 --> 00:43:31,413
Speaker 3: And I'm sure they were over those long Yeah, exactly,

913
00:43:31,653 --> 00:43:35,933
Speaker 3: they'll be marched into the military prison. But that was

914
00:43:36,013 --> 00:43:38,453
Speaker 3: a big incentive that if you wanted a degree for

915
00:43:38,493 --> 00:43:41,173
Speaker 3: effectively free yet to give up a certain amount of

916
00:43:41,213 --> 00:43:43,413
Speaker 3: years of your time. But that was a way into

917
00:43:43,773 --> 00:43:46,813
Speaker 3: accessing higher education without having to pay a lot for it.

918
00:43:46,933 --> 00:43:47,172
Speaker 19: Yeah.

919
00:43:47,213 --> 00:43:50,212
Speaker 2: Well, also, we want to hear from people that just join,

920
00:43:50,373 --> 00:43:53,053
Speaker 2: what we're thinking about joining, or have family members or

921
00:43:53,493 --> 00:43:56,773
Speaker 2: that adjoining the military just to join the military, not

922
00:43:56,853 --> 00:44:00,053
Speaker 2: some kind of scam like Tyler's talking out. And you know,

923
00:44:00,133 --> 00:44:04,053
Speaker 2: if we are really serious about the military, and you know,

924
00:44:04,173 --> 00:44:06,253
Speaker 2: Judith Collins, I watched the press conference last night and

925
00:44:06,293 --> 00:44:09,493
Speaker 2: she was saying that we're in the most dangerous times

926
00:44:09,533 --> 00:44:12,652
Speaker 2: since the end of World War Two. If we're really

927
00:44:12,693 --> 00:44:15,813
Speaker 2: serious about it, should we be bringing back compulsory military

928
00:44:15,813 --> 00:44:19,013
Speaker 2: service that you have to do two years at the

929
00:44:19,093 --> 00:44:21,933
Speaker 2: end of high school or like, how did that work

930
00:44:21,973 --> 00:44:24,173
Speaker 2: back in the day, because that was that was finished

931
00:44:24,213 --> 00:44:27,333
Speaker 2: in the lock up exactly when it's finished, Yeah, when

932
00:44:27,373 --> 00:44:29,453
Speaker 2: we stop doing that. But there are countries that have

933
00:44:29,493 --> 00:44:30,973
Speaker 2: compulsory military service.

934
00:44:30,693 --> 00:44:31,653
Speaker 3: How would you feel about that?

935
00:44:32,373 --> 00:44:35,013
Speaker 2: They probably I probably probably wouldn't be me that has

936
00:44:35,053 --> 00:44:37,773
Speaker 2: to do it. But it would be one of my sons. Yeah,

937
00:44:37,933 --> 00:44:41,653
Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't fetcher. I just can't pitcher

938
00:44:42,173 --> 00:44:46,533
Speaker 2: the youth of today what they would do with that, Yeah.

939
00:44:46,493 --> 00:44:48,652
Speaker 3: That sounds radical, but the skills that they'd pick up

940
00:44:48,693 --> 00:44:49,693
Speaker 3: in those two years.

941
00:44:50,053 --> 00:44:53,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry that the maritime choppers are the sea sprites.

942
00:44:53,253 --> 00:44:54,293
Speaker 3: Right Okay? Oh?

943
00:44:54,333 --> 00:44:54,533
Speaker 19: Wait?

944
00:44:54,693 --> 00:44:57,613
Speaker 3: Hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call love

945
00:44:57,653 --> 00:45:00,093
Speaker 3: to hear from you? Is the career on the defense

946
00:45:00,173 --> 00:45:02,733
Speaker 3: Force suddenly a lot more attractive than it was? And

947
00:45:02,773 --> 00:45:05,133
Speaker 3: if you've been through it, we are keen on your stories.

948
00:45:05,173 --> 00:45:09,053
Speaker 3: It is eleven past two.

949
00:45:08,733 --> 00:45:13,093
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons

950
00:45:13,133 --> 00:45:15,693
Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty eighty used.

951
00:45:15,453 --> 00:45:19,813
Speaker 2: Talk ZBB, Good afternoon, fourteen past two. I love how

952
00:45:19,853 --> 00:45:24,133
Speaker 2: knowledgeable the ZB audiences. I was asking what those marine

953
00:45:24,693 --> 00:45:28,013
Speaker 2: choppers were the sea sprites. Thousands of techs coming through

954
00:45:28,453 --> 00:45:30,933
Speaker 2: the Marine helicopters are the sea Sprites which are currently

955
00:45:30,973 --> 00:45:33,293
Speaker 2: in use by the Royal New Zealand the Air Force.

956
00:45:33,293 --> 00:45:36,853
Speaker 2: We got eight of those the NH nineties for land

957
00:45:36,853 --> 00:45:40,813
Speaker 2: based activities including rescue. The NH nineties are a large,

958
00:45:41,653 --> 00:45:46,893
Speaker 2: large choppers. I was allowed to use the the Air

959
00:45:46,933 --> 00:45:52,093
Speaker 2: Force simulator of the NH ninety. It was wicked fantastic.

960
00:45:52,133 --> 00:45:55,693
Speaker 2: It's exactly like it. You're exactly in the chopper. But

961
00:45:55,973 --> 00:45:57,652
Speaker 2: I tried to land it in the cake tin and

962
00:45:57,693 --> 00:46:00,453
Speaker 2: I did pretty well. Or the guy that was teaching

963
00:46:00,493 --> 00:46:05,013
Speaker 2: me said, you've just shredded half the audience with the ROTA.

964
00:46:04,773 --> 00:46:06,253
Speaker 3: At the back standard you landed at that.

965
00:46:06,413 --> 00:46:08,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the sea sprites are the more waspy looking ones.

966
00:46:09,053 --> 00:46:10,813
Speaker 2: You know, they're operated by three people.

967
00:46:11,133 --> 00:46:12,733
Speaker 3: But the other ones getting replaced obviously.

968
00:46:12,813 --> 00:46:13,013
Speaker 5: Yeah.

969
00:46:13,093 --> 00:46:17,093
Speaker 3: Yeah. This texta here says, hey guys, just listening Remilitary service.

970
00:46:17,173 --> 00:46:19,973
Speaker 3: I'm an ex British soldier now living in Wellington. The

971
00:46:20,093 --> 00:46:24,373
Speaker 3: NZDF upgrade is huge, but will this see soldiers etc.

972
00:46:24,693 --> 00:46:28,053
Speaker 3: Taking part and more operational arenas the British forces deploy

973
00:46:28,093 --> 00:46:30,893
Speaker 3: around the world, doing more than the NZDF ever have.

974
00:46:31,533 --> 00:46:34,172
Speaker 2: This is an intense text. Hey, Adam, I think that's

975
00:46:34,173 --> 00:46:36,973
Speaker 2: what he means to you. And I'm military trained and

976
00:46:37,013 --> 00:46:39,933
Speaker 2: I just did some research and into continental ballistic nuclear

977
00:46:39,933 --> 00:46:42,773
Speaker 2: missile costs approximately one hundred million dollars and they can

978
00:46:42,813 --> 00:46:45,253
Speaker 2: reach most places around the world. We only need to

979
00:46:45,253 --> 00:46:47,853
Speaker 2: buy say twenty of these for two billion dollars and

980
00:46:47,933 --> 00:46:50,573
Speaker 2: save ten billion dollars and send a clear message to

981
00:46:50,613 --> 00:46:53,573
Speaker 2: the aggressives not to puss us off. Yeah, I mean

982
00:46:53,613 --> 00:46:59,413
Speaker 2: those those intercontinentablistic missiles aren't so great just for you know,

983
00:46:59,573 --> 00:47:03,893
Speaker 2: patrolling your international waters and protecting your fisheries. Not great

984
00:47:03,933 --> 00:47:05,093
Speaker 2: for the search and rescue.

985
00:47:05,293 --> 00:47:07,333
Speaker 3: Yeah. And is that? I mean you just go to

986
00:47:07,373 --> 00:47:09,133
Speaker 3: a market and say I've got two billion, I'd like

987
00:47:09,253 --> 00:47:11,933
Speaker 3: twenty incontinental missiles.

988
00:47:12,093 --> 00:47:14,893
Speaker 2: Anyway, let's let's get serious, Dave. You've got a son

989
00:47:14,933 --> 00:47:17,293
Speaker 2: that's eyeing up the army at the moment.

990
00:47:18,173 --> 00:47:18,973
Speaker 15: Yeah, maybe.

991
00:47:22,173 --> 00:47:22,893
Speaker 20: He is.

992
00:47:23,493 --> 00:47:28,573
Speaker 15: Yeah, he's at school store. He's he's eventually wanting to

993
00:47:28,653 --> 00:47:34,333
Speaker 15: get into be a doctor. But his ideas and he'll

994
00:47:34,413 --> 00:47:37,693
Speaker 15: go to join the army as an officer and do

995
00:47:37,813 --> 00:47:42,253
Speaker 15: the required training and so forth and come out with

996
00:47:42,533 --> 00:47:47,653
Speaker 15: a good qualification and hopefully I've been a subsidized university

997
00:47:47,693 --> 00:47:48,453
Speaker 15: study as well.

998
00:47:49,533 --> 00:47:54,053
Speaker 2: Does he have to go through full military training for that?

999
00:47:55,213 --> 00:47:56,333
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah?

1000
00:47:56,373 --> 00:47:59,413
Speaker 2: And is he is? He excited about that part of it,

1001
00:47:59,533 --> 00:48:03,693
Speaker 2: The you know, the drills and the learning how to

1002
00:48:03,733 --> 00:48:05,013
Speaker 2: be a combat soldier.

1003
00:48:05,653 --> 00:48:06,373
Speaker 5: Made he loved it.

1004
00:48:06,493 --> 00:48:09,373
Speaker 15: He look, we hunt. He spends a lot of time,

1005
00:48:09,533 --> 00:48:12,173
Speaker 15: you know, in the Germany's he goes for a school,

1006
00:48:12,653 --> 00:48:16,133
Speaker 15: he goes core mate, and he's and he happens to

1007
00:48:16,173 --> 00:48:18,533
Speaker 15: be very intelligent. So I don't know where he got

1008
00:48:18,533 --> 00:48:25,573
Speaker 15: there from, you know, but no, he's you know, and

1009
00:48:25,693 --> 00:48:28,093
Speaker 15: I think he's typical of a lot of young fellas

1010
00:48:28,093 --> 00:48:31,732
Speaker 15: and girls out there, Lady, our young young adults who

1011
00:48:31,853 --> 00:48:33,933
Speaker 15: are looking at the military more and more as a

1012
00:48:34,733 --> 00:48:37,133
Speaker 15: not just you know, not because of the toys that

1013
00:48:37,653 --> 00:48:39,652
Speaker 15: you know they might get and you know, in the

1014
00:48:39,733 --> 00:48:43,333
Speaker 15: uniform and it's actually, you know, not to put too

1015
00:48:43,373 --> 00:48:45,652
Speaker 15: fine a point on it, it's a good game, you know,

1016
00:48:45,933 --> 00:48:50,413
Speaker 15: and it teaches you so many good skills in life

1017
00:48:51,093 --> 00:48:53,053
Speaker 15: which you can't get at university. I'm sorry, you know.

1018
00:48:53,133 --> 00:48:54,853
Speaker 15: I mean I went to UNI and I just learned

1019
00:48:54,893 --> 00:48:57,253
Speaker 15: how to drink and pretty much that was that, you know.

1020
00:48:58,333 --> 00:49:00,493
Speaker 3: And what's the what's the qual he's going to go

1021
00:49:00,613 --> 00:49:04,453
Speaker 3: for with the military. At the stage, Dave does he know, Well,

1022
00:49:04,453 --> 00:49:04,853
Speaker 3: he's going.

1023
00:49:04,773 --> 00:49:07,213
Speaker 15: To go and so he's going to it as an

1024
00:49:07,213 --> 00:49:10,652
Speaker 15: officer recruit. But he quite keen on the infantry, to

1025
00:49:10,653 --> 00:49:15,373
Speaker 15: be honest, that or tellerry, you know, I mean, he's

1026
00:49:15,053 --> 00:49:17,772
Speaker 15: he's open put it that way. He's not he's even

1027
00:49:17,773 --> 00:49:21,133
Speaker 15: close and softwok yet But yeah, no, he you know,

1028
00:49:21,173 --> 00:49:23,652
Speaker 15: he sees the opportunity there because he is quite a

1029
00:49:23,693 --> 00:49:27,292
Speaker 15: centerenter of medicine and that's an area that he wants

1030
00:49:27,493 --> 00:49:29,053
Speaker 15: to post army career.

1031
00:49:29,453 --> 00:49:33,013
Speaker 2: Dave, do you have any concerns about, you know, a

1032
00:49:33,693 --> 00:49:43,333
Speaker 2: increasingly complex geopolitical world and your son being in the military.

1033
00:49:44,093 --> 00:49:46,613
Speaker 15: Oh, look, i'd be lying if I didn't, if I

1034
00:49:46,613 --> 00:49:49,533
Speaker 15: if I wasn't sort of slightly concerned or concerned.

1035
00:49:49,573 --> 00:49:50,453
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, it.

1036
00:49:50,333 --> 00:49:53,613
Speaker 15: Wouldn't matter if it was now or even a year, two, three,

1037
00:49:53,733 --> 00:49:56,453
Speaker 15: four years ago, whatever. I mean. The world is as

1038
00:49:56,493 --> 00:50:00,853
Speaker 15: a firecracker next to a back lighter, mate with a

1039
00:50:00,893 --> 00:50:05,853
Speaker 15: facile hiding the big lighter, and and and it could

1040
00:50:05,893 --> 00:50:08,373
Speaker 15: go it could go off any time. And we we

1041
00:50:08,573 --> 00:50:13,373
Speaker 15: live in this Unfortunately not we, but too many people

1042
00:50:13,453 --> 00:50:17,613
Speaker 15: have created this environment of the world today where there's

1043
00:50:17,693 --> 00:50:21,933
Speaker 15: eager driving politics and so on, and so yeah, it

1044
00:50:22,053 --> 00:50:25,133
Speaker 15: could just it could crack on anytime. So yeah, I

1045
00:50:25,573 --> 00:50:29,053
Speaker 15: am slightly consumed. You know, I jump in and do

1046
00:50:29,173 --> 00:50:32,093
Speaker 15: my bet if I could as well, you know, Dad's

1047
00:50:32,173 --> 00:50:36,893
Speaker 15: any sort of stuff. But yeah, that is it concerned.

1048
00:50:37,013 --> 00:50:39,212
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'll thank you. So much for your call, Dave,

1049
00:50:39,293 --> 00:50:41,013
Speaker 2: and all the best to your son.

1050
00:50:43,053 --> 00:50:46,773
Speaker 3: This Texas says guys. I'm ex military and Australian Army

1051
00:50:47,733 --> 00:50:50,253
Speaker 3: and one of the first women to train men and

1052
00:50:50,333 --> 00:50:53,733
Speaker 3: also serve overseas with the United Nations. After military, I

1053
00:50:53,733 --> 00:50:56,973
Speaker 3: went into corporate and excelled thanks to my military and

1054
00:50:57,533 --> 00:51:00,053
Speaker 3: strategy training. It was awesome, loved it and learned so

1055
00:51:00,133 --> 00:51:03,333
Speaker 3: many amazing skills. Highly recommend it to all children.

1056
00:51:03,533 --> 00:51:05,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to know the stats on that, because

1057
00:51:05,093 --> 00:51:09,213
Speaker 2: I imagine you would absolutely kick ars in the soft,

1058
00:51:09,773 --> 00:51:13,813
Speaker 2: weak corporate world if you'd been you know, had gone

1059
00:51:13,853 --> 00:51:17,893
Speaker 2: through full military training. Maybe we you know, maybe I

1060
00:51:17,893 --> 00:51:20,853
Speaker 2: should put you through you know, basic training.

1061
00:51:21,693 --> 00:51:24,253
Speaker 3: Life, both of it. It's both to it.

1062
00:51:24,533 --> 00:51:26,973
Speaker 2: You're very soft at the moment anyway, I do you know,

1063
00:51:26,973 --> 00:51:30,173
Speaker 2: I was thinking, actually I was actually thinking how different

1064
00:51:30,213 --> 00:51:32,253
Speaker 2: New Zealand would be. Imagine because you know, we've let

1065
00:51:32,333 --> 00:51:36,773
Speaker 2: the funding for the defense force just drift and drift

1066
00:51:36,773 --> 00:51:39,613
Speaker 2: and drift for a very long time, right successive governments.

1067
00:51:40,093 --> 00:51:42,493
Speaker 2: I wonder if New Zealand would be a significantly different

1068
00:51:42,533 --> 00:51:47,133
Speaker 2: country if we had been spending on the military. You know,

1069
00:51:47,533 --> 00:51:50,812
Speaker 2: at two two and a half percent of GDP right through.

1070
00:51:51,133 --> 00:51:53,253
Speaker 2: I wonder if that would materially change the country. You

1071
00:51:53,253 --> 00:51:55,853
Speaker 2: would have more people that have been through the military,

1072
00:51:55,893 --> 00:51:57,693
Speaker 2: the military would have more of effect on the country.

1073
00:51:57,733 --> 00:52:00,133
Speaker 2: Would we just be a more disciplined country, would be

1074
00:52:00,533 --> 00:52:01,733
Speaker 2: a more pugnacious country.

1075
00:52:02,213 --> 00:52:04,013
Speaker 3: It's a good question. Interesting, Well, I tell you what.

1076
00:52:04,053 --> 00:52:06,933
Speaker 3: We've got former Defense Minister Wane map on the show

1077
00:52:07,013 --> 00:52:08,293
Speaker 3: at the end of the South, so we'll put the

1078
00:52:08,533 --> 00:52:11,373
Speaker 3: question to him. Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty.

1079
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Speaker 3: Keen on your thoughts. If you've gone through military training,

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Speaker 3: love to hear from you. It is twenty one past two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, and we're talking about military service or going

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Speaker 3: into the Defense force as a career on the back

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Speaker 3: of this significant investment back into our military nine billion

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Speaker 3: dollars of new spending over the next four years that

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Speaker 3: will see our defense spending more than double from one

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Speaker 3: percent to two percent of GDP in the next day years.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so we're asking now it seems that the defense

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Speaker 2: force is a priority again for this country. Will it

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Speaker 2: be more attractive for young people to join the Defense Force,

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Speaker 2: and if you were a parent, as kids are thinking

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Speaker 2: of doing that, a child is thinking of doing that,

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Speaker 2: how do you feel about it? Lewis, your son went

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Speaker 2: into the army two weeks ago.

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Speaker 19: Yes, you went in two weeks ago. We haven't heard

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Speaker 19: from him yet, so he's still on the screen time.

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Speaker 19: So yeah, it's been quite tough for us as pearents,

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Speaker 19: but I think it's one of the best things for

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Speaker 19: him to develop as a man and develop himself into

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Speaker 19: a career. And you know, we we immigrants, so we

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Speaker 19: came here in twenty eighteen, you know, obviously into the

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Speaker 19: land of milk and honey. He didn't do the greatest

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Speaker 19: at school, but then this opportunity came up for him

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Speaker 19: to go into the army. And you know, for us

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Speaker 19: as parents, we just want him to also go find

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Speaker 19: himself and find himself, you know, but then also go

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Speaker 19: and contribute and give back what we've already already got

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Speaker 19: from from New Zealand.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: So so LOI, you said that you haven't heard from

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Speaker 2: for two weeks, would you say screen time When they

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Speaker 2: first go and they're not allowed us to contact for

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Speaker 2: a week, I.

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Speaker 19: Think or that I'm actually glad about that, you know,

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Speaker 19: because if you think before we went in there, the

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Speaker 19: guys were just on the phone the whole time, and

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Speaker 19: I think they get like thirty minutes a week of

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Speaker 19: screen times, you know. So the first thing that I

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Speaker 19: picked up from the group that there's like a Facebook

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Speaker 19: group where we followed, was that the boys are making

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Speaker 19: connections and making friends. And I think that's what's also

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Speaker 19: happening with this where they don't have their phones and

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Speaker 19: that connection that you know, that they actually get back

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Speaker 19: to how we used to do it as as as kids.

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Speaker 6: You know that we can.

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Speaker 2: Talk again and yeah, yeah, absolutely, did you did you push?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Did you push your son towards the army or did

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Speaker 2: he find it himself?

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Speaker 19: Okay, that's a good question. So about a year that

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Speaker 19: we started, and because he was working, the only working

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Speaker 19: could kid was that macus and he wanted to go

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Speaker 19: into to to go and study film and industry, but

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Speaker 19: just his market good enough, and we suggested that army.

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Speaker 19: We suggested, you know, to go to work at the prisons,

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Speaker 19: go but going to the police. And initially when he

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Speaker 19: did that first, because there's a three parts they do.

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Speaker 19: They do like I think you call it an appetude test.

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Speaker 19: Then they go and do the first physical and then

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Speaker 19: the last physical, but his mind was never there, and

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Speaker 19: you know, he missed actually the opportunity to go in

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Speaker 19: last year because he missed that last physical. But it

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Speaker 19: was then his choice that he had to make to

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Speaker 19: get able to get physically, yeah, and physically mentally, it

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Speaker 19: was his choice to.

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Speaker 6: Go into the army.

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Speaker 2: Did you think that not that? Do you think that

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Speaker 2: knocked back you know, was good for him and that

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Speaker 2: it inspired him and made him realize that this is

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Speaker 2: what he wanted to do.

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Speaker 19: Yes, for sure, for sure, especially that he didn't make

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Speaker 19: any sort one of his other mates went through the

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Speaker 19: first process and he felt like not left behind. But yeah,

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Speaker 19: he had to work to actually get into the army.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 19: So we just saw the commitment he started boxing, he

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Speaker 19: started you know, he started running around the track like

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Speaker 19: every night, and he actually got himself fuit enough to

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Speaker 19: get selected. So I'm like happy as the parents see that.

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Speaker 19: Obviously it would be good two years from him. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 19: but but so you know, I think it's in good hands.

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Speaker 19: These these guys have gone through the processes and it's

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Speaker 19: great to here that think actually getting some support now

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Speaker 19: from government in these processes, you know, and in the

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Speaker 19: facilities and you know, and yeah, that's it's actually.

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Speaker 5: Nice to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and just quickly because we have to nip off

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Speaker 2: to the news headlines. But Louis the same question I

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Speaker 2: asked Dave before, How concerned are you considering the tumultuous

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Speaker 2: state of the world at the moment that your that

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Speaker 2: your son is now in the.

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Speaker 19: Military Alec would be trained when it happens. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 19: if it is going back to the to the Second

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Speaker 19: World War, I think everybody was called up and some

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Speaker 19: people were trained, some were not, and so DC all

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Speaker 19: have that that train backing behind it, and we'll just

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Speaker 19: take it to the next step. I think New Zealand's

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Speaker 19: quite They always peacekeepers, which is not a bad thing.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 19: They normally not in front like the Americans all the Russians,

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Speaker 19: you know, so they would normally just be the peacekeepers,

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Speaker 19: which is not.

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Speaker 5: A bad team.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much. We call Louis and all

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Speaker 2: the best of their son and I hope you hear

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Speaker 2: from him.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, eight hundred eighteen ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call if you've had a child recently, Go and

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Speaker 3: join the military. Love to hear from you and if

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Speaker 3: you've gone through yourself, what did you pay in terms

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Speaker 3: of the skills? Did you manage to come out of

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Speaker 3: that with qualifications? Love to hear your experiences. It is

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Speaker 3: twenty nine past two.

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Speaker 8: You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

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Speaker 8: no trouble with a blue bubble. The Finance Minister is

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Speaker 8: signaling disquiet over how the US tariffs will affect the economy,

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Speaker 8: making recovery from tough conditions harder. New Zealand stock market

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Speaker 8: took a dive yesterday but has rallied today. Long serving

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Speaker 8: Labor MP and ex Minister David Parker has announced he's

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Speaker 8: leaving politics after twenty three years in parliament. So Gio Williams,

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Speaker 8: the son of a Yuen official, has been sent to

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Speaker 8: prison for life for murdering a seventy year old who

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Speaker 8: had given him shelter at his Auckland apartment in twenty

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Speaker 8: twenty three. A lack of evidence means Destiny Churches Brian

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Speaker 8: Parmicky won't be charged in relation to aggressive protests at

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Speaker 8: an Auckland Pride Library event in February. The government's planning

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Speaker 8: to introduce the employment Relations Amendment Bill this year to

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Speaker 8: repeal the last government's thirty day employment rule and reduce

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Speaker 8: related employer obligations. A baby girl named Amy has become

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Speaker 8: the UK's first child born to a mother using a

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Speaker 8: donated womb. The three point five billion dollar question, what

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Speaker 8: is the value of brand All blacks seymour at Enzen

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Speaker 8: Herald Premium Back to Matt Eathan Tyner Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen, And we're talking about joining

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Speaker 3: the Defense Force as a career on the back of

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00:59:43,733 --> 00:59:47,453
Speaker 3: the hugely increased spending nine billion dollars of new money

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Speaker 3: over the next four years. That will bring us up

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Speaker 3: to two percent of GDP in the next eight years.

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Speaker 3: That is significant.

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Speaker 2: Does that make military service Defense Force more attractive to

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Speaker 2: young people? I think that they had problems with recruiting

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Speaker 2: and retention, but a lot of that is being turned around,

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Speaker 2: Mike says Army basic training. You won't know what hit you,

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Speaker 2: but you'll leave feeling like a new and improved person.

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Speaker 2: Thanks your text, Mike. Lads, it's a no brainer. I

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Speaker 2: did twenty years in the Air Force and it opened

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Speaker 2: up the world to me. My son is looking to

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Speaker 2: join in twenty twenty six and we'll start on over

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Speaker 2: sixty k. I think all seventeen year old kids who

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Speaker 2: are wanting the benefit should do a twelve month stint

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Speaker 2: in the armed services. It might flick a switch and

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Speaker 2: change their lives. Discipline, structure, comaraderie. Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 2: That is a great tasks the hard sale. Put that

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Speaker 2: on a poster and this.

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Speaker 3: One says, guys, first year of Air Force Basic and

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Speaker 3: Technical Training was the best year of my life. I

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Speaker 3: grew up and it set me up for success with

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Speaker 3: good discipline and respect.

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Speaker 2: This text says, you fascist, why do we need an

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Speaker 2: army when we've got starving people in our country? Do

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01:00:54,453 --> 01:00:56,733
Speaker 2: we have starving people in that country? I think we

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01:00:56,773 --> 01:00:58,333
Speaker 2: actually have a bigger problem with the bcit in our

1244
01:00:58,333 --> 01:00:59,973
Speaker 2: country and then when it was starving people. But yeah,

1245
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Speaker 2: there you go. There's quite a few piece snicks out

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Speaker 2: there that think this is a terrible waste of money. Gary,

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Speaker 2: your kids went through AIRCIT.

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Speaker 21: Yeah. Look, that's another alternative way of getting kids involved

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01:01:13,693 --> 01:01:16,693
Speaker 21: from the age of thirteen through to about seventeen eighteen,

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Speaker 21: and also gives it an opening to go into the forces.

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Speaker 21: So I've had three kids go to the Rodney five

1252
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Speaker 21: squadron of the airport out at Dairy Flat and they

1253
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Speaker 21: did really well, and one of my sons went on

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Speaker 21: to the Army to Guadu unfortunately had an injury and

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Speaker 21: had to pull out. But really good training, great discipline, learned.

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Speaker 10: How to fly, learn how to shoot.

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Speaker 21: The drills are amazing and I think it's a great standing.

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Speaker 21: And I think just doing cadets with you want to

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Speaker 21: go on to the Air Force or to the Defense Force,

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Speaker 21: doesn't matter, just do it.

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Speaker 10: That's great.

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Speaker 3: And so he is currently in the Air Force, Is

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Speaker 3: that right, yart?

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Speaker 21: No, he entered the Army and the training basic course

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Speaker 21: and got injured really badly and they had to dismiss him.

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Speaker 21: But he reached on to be mechanic. He's got his

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Speaker 21: apprenticeship and even my dad at a young age, and

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Speaker 21: and so it gave him good, good seed for force.

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Speaker 21: For that he'd like to go back to the baby

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Speaker 21: territorials later on.

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Speaker 2: And so part of that does that make you think

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Speaker 2: that you know the training is dangerous?

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Speaker 6: No, No, I don't.

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Speaker 21: I think there's I mean, you can be hit by

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Speaker 21: a bus, couldn't you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, But I think I think.

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Speaker 10: Look, if there's so many different. You've got the Army

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Speaker 10: to dates, you've got the seed didets, and you've got

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Speaker 10: the Air Force.

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Speaker 22: What a great way to do it.

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Speaker 10: You could make a choice, and of course you can get.

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Speaker 21: A good trade while you're in the defense as well.

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Speaker 21: And apparently by being in the Air Cadets or in

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Speaker 21: the cadets, it gives you a foot in the door

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01:02:51,333 --> 01:02:55,973
Speaker 21: to become to be approved to become into the defense force.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a good way.

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Speaker 2: Gary, was the military in your family before your kids

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Speaker 2: became interston?

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Speaker 15: Uh?

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Speaker 6: None.

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Speaker 21: My grandfather was in First and Second World War, my

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Speaker 21: grandfather but not and my father did the was on

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Speaker 21: the guns and training in Australia for a couple of years.

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Speaker 21: So but none of us, none of my siblings at all.

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Speaker 21: But they just found it really interesting. And there's one

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Speaker 21: hundred cadets and the acadets at the moment that train

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Speaker 21: on a Wednesday, so it's not like it's small. It

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Speaker 21: seems to be growing all the time. So what a great,

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Speaker 21: great way to do it.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think so much to cool Gary, weren't

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01:03:38,293 --> 01:03:40,413
Speaker 2: you and the air cadets for about three days and

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01:03:40,413 --> 01:03:42,253
Speaker 2: then you checking out and went home crying to you mum.

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01:03:42,333 --> 01:03:44,253
Speaker 3: It was about three months. But there was a lot

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01:03:44,293 --> 01:03:46,373
Speaker 3: of marching, a heck of a lot of marching. And

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Speaker 3: I've said this on here before. The reason that I

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01:03:48,733 --> 01:03:51,013
Speaker 3: didn't carry on Whether they let me into the Air

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01:03:51,013 --> 01:03:54,853
Speaker 3: Force is another question. But when they sold the Skyhawks,

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01:03:54,933 --> 01:03:57,213
Speaker 3: and that was for me the dream was gone because

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01:03:57,253 --> 01:03:58,413
Speaker 3: I wanted to be a jet pilot.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I think the dream of being a jet

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01:04:01,093 --> 01:04:03,493
Speaker 2: pilot was gone when you were born. No offense, mate, Hey,

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01:04:03,573 --> 01:04:06,093
Speaker 2: why are you so keen to see our young people

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01:04:06,213 --> 01:04:08,573
Speaker 2: die in a war? Says this texter. I don't know

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01:04:08,573 --> 01:04:10,213
Speaker 2: where you got that from. And this texture on the

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01:04:10,253 --> 01:04:13,253
Speaker 2: same bars says this is an evil chat. The army

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01:04:13,333 --> 01:04:16,333
Speaker 2: is evil. This is sanctioned state murder. You're talking about?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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01:04:16,933 --> 01:04:18,893
Speaker 2: Wow? Okay, So those.

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Speaker 3: People listening right now that have served in the Defense Force,

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Speaker 3: what do you say to that text? Oh, eight hundred

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01:04:23,013 --> 01:04:25,253
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is

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Speaker 3: twenty two to three.

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Speaker 1: A fresh take on Talkback. It's Matt Heath and Taylor

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Speaker 1: Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 1: eighty Youth Talks B Good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: It is twenty to three and we've asked the question.

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Speaker 3: With the increased significant increase in defense bending over the

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01:04:43,853 --> 01:04:46,933
Speaker 3: next four to eight years, is a career in the

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01:04:46,973 --> 01:04:49,493
Speaker 3: military now a very good option for young people.

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Speaker 2: And the Texas is hire. My husband has been in

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Speaker 2: the army for almost four years and it's been the

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01:04:52,853 --> 01:04:55,173
Speaker 2: best decision ever. He joined when he was twenty six

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Speaker 2: and is now earning more than he ever would be

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Speaker 2: in the city world. He started as a combat lav

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01:05:00,973 --> 01:05:04,653
Speaker 2: driver and now is doing a building apprenticeship. We hear

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01:05:04,693 --> 01:05:07,053
Speaker 2: a lot of people leave the army for the following reasons.

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01:05:07,093 --> 01:05:09,773
Speaker 2: They joined straight out of Haskell High School and don't

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01:05:09,813 --> 01:05:11,933
Speaker 2: know how good they have it. They are wanting to

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01:05:11,973 --> 01:05:14,213
Speaker 2: see action and not much goes on, so they leave

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01:05:14,253 --> 01:05:16,893
Speaker 2: and become a cop, or they have mental health personal issues.

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Speaker 2: Highly recommended joined a the defense Force. I'm so proud

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Speaker 2: of my husband.

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Speaker 3: Very good Techs. Thank you very much. O. One hundred

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Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call, Matthew.

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Speaker 3: How are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 6: Good?

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01:05:29,173 --> 01:05:33,133
Speaker 23: A good good, loving the show. Yeah, really finding myself

1349
01:05:33,133 --> 01:05:36,093
Speaker 23: in agreement with you guys today. Matt your idea of

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01:05:37,013 --> 01:05:41,053
Speaker 23: compulsory military training is fantastic. I think we could start

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01:05:41,053 --> 01:05:46,453
Speaker 23: them off at seven, recruit them straight out of the alls.

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Speaker 3: Mate.

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Speaker 23: Now you're thinking, and Tyler, if you're bringing the thing

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Speaker 23: and the air Cadets has gone, there's always the We've

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01:05:54,373 --> 01:05:56,413
Speaker 23: got a Minister of Space now, so you could probably

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Speaker 23: join the space cadets.

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Speaker 3: I'll see you there, metthe.

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Speaker 10: Most likely Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 23: Hey, but no, seriously, I mean, I think nine billion

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Speaker 23: dollars and I mean there's a lot of enthus is

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01:06:08,613 --> 01:06:12,613
Speaker 23: and for this, the spinning, but you know, nine billion

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01:06:12,653 --> 01:06:15,733
Speaker 23: dollars is dearly scratching the surface. I think we need

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01:06:15,773 --> 01:06:20,293
Speaker 23: to increase that, you know, probably triplet, quadruplet. I think

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01:06:20,733 --> 01:06:24,493
Speaker 23: massive cuts to the health and interproaching the system possibly

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Speaker 23: the way to go.

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Speaker 6: But they're already quite depleted.

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Speaker 23: And you know, borrowing money will you know what the

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01:06:30,413 --> 01:06:33,373
Speaker 23: banks are like, they'll just probably ship the interest rates

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Speaker 23: on us, so we could scrap that. But I'm driving

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01:06:35,653 --> 01:06:38,733
Speaker 23: around Auckland. I'm seeing a lot of spear industrial land here.

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Speaker 23: You know, we've got spare capacity and that, so I

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01:06:41,613 --> 01:06:45,373
Speaker 23: was thinking maybe we could get an industry going here,

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Speaker 23: manufacturing things like cluster bombs and land mines, you know,

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Speaker 23: and it could be a win win, I mean, the

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Speaker 23: guy who said we should get some ICBMs stolen with thunder,

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Speaker 23: because I.

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Speaker 10: Was thinking the same thing.

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Speaker 23: If we if we could sell enough land mines and

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01:07:00,933 --> 01:07:03,213
Speaker 23: cluster bombs, we could probably do a deal with Trump.

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01:07:04,093 --> 01:07:06,813
Speaker 23: You know, he'd probably drop the tariff on the ICBMs

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01:07:06,853 --> 01:07:09,813
Speaker 23: because you know, America's got enough to blow up the

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Speaker 23: world a couple of times over.

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Speaker 2: Do you think do you think we've got the know

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01:07:14,053 --> 01:07:17,173
Speaker 2: how in this country to fire up some sort of

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01:07:17,653 --> 01:07:20,613
Speaker 2: man parking lot cluster bomb manufacturing?

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Speaker 23: Absolutely TIV number eight. Why I'm looking right now, I'm

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01:07:26,613 --> 01:07:28,933
Speaker 23: looking at Mount Wellington and just thinking that we.

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Speaker 6: Could hollow it out. It'd be a perfect silo.

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Speaker 3: For Yeah, Mount Wellington, wouldn't that. You can just see

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01:07:34,413 --> 01:07:35,293
Speaker 3: doctor oliving in that.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, you know, but I'm thinking at least two or

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Speaker 23: three ICBMs coming out of it, and probably a couple

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Speaker 23: of out of Ringy.

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Speaker 6: Toto as well.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, we're going to we'll put these ideas next

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Speaker 2: time we're talking to Judith Collins. We'll definitely put your

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Speaker 2: ideas to Meith. You thank you so much for your call.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. O one hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 3: is the number to call is this legit? What this

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01:07:59,773 --> 01:08:00,253
Speaker 3: text here?

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01:08:00,693 --> 01:08:04,933
Speaker 2: Hi guys, I'm Gary Sun who was who was talking about?

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01:08:05,013 --> 01:08:07,373
Speaker 2: I believe the military has made me who I am today.

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01:08:07,413 --> 01:08:10,613
Speaker 2: I joined at fresh age of seventeen, left home, learned

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01:08:10,693 --> 01:08:13,773
Speaker 2: values and how to conduct myself. Believe every young man

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01:08:13,853 --> 01:08:17,372
Speaker 2: boy should do minimum two years service. That's from Mitch.

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01:08:18,013 --> 01:08:21,612
Speaker 2: This other person says, thanks to your chat, I have

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01:08:21,773 --> 01:08:24,253
Speaker 2: just looked into signing up. Well, there we go, And

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01:08:24,333 --> 01:08:27,532
Speaker 2: this so other textas is currently applying for the NZDF online

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01:08:27,652 --> 01:08:28,452
Speaker 2: due to this chat.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there you go, Defense Force, There you go.

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Speaker 2: Judith were the Captain America's of radio, you know, and

1412
01:08:35,173 --> 01:08:39,253
Speaker 2: Captain America is sent out there to get people.

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01:08:38,973 --> 01:08:41,093
Speaker 3: To sign sign on the dotted line. What do you

1414
01:08:41,133 --> 01:08:42,692
Speaker 3: call absolute war?

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01:08:42,812 --> 01:08:46,852
Speaker 2: See people sitting behind microphones talking at the military and

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01:08:46,853 --> 01:08:48,652
Speaker 2: making people sign up. I think there's some kind of

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01:08:49,372 --> 01:08:50,492
Speaker 2: tyber hawk we might be.

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01:08:50,612 --> 01:08:52,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that to sign up as well.

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01:08:52,572 --> 01:08:57,412
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, yeah, Western, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 6: You going good, good good?

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01:08:59,692 --> 01:09:01,652
Speaker 24: Hey, Well, I just wanted to come and you've probably

1422
01:09:01,652 --> 01:09:03,052
Speaker 24: had a couple of others.

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01:09:03,053 --> 01:09:04,013
Speaker 6: From the perspective of a.

1424
01:09:04,692 --> 01:09:09,892
Speaker 24: Parent, my son went through unfortunately through the COVID time,

1425
01:09:09,933 --> 01:09:13,452
Speaker 24: which didn't help obviously the recruiting process, but I just

1426
01:09:13,452 --> 01:09:16,133
Speaker 24: wanted to add that anyone that is looking at doing it,

1427
01:09:16,452 --> 01:09:18,973
Speaker 24: make sure you get your p's and q's, you know,

1428
01:09:19,013 --> 01:09:20,572
Speaker 24: in a row. Make sure that you ask the right

1429
01:09:20,652 --> 01:09:23,372
Speaker 24: questions because there has been, what it may have changed

1430
01:09:23,412 --> 01:09:27,772
Speaker 24: now quite a battle to get through the administrator side.

1431
01:09:28,093 --> 01:09:30,372
Speaker 6: That's not run by the military.

1432
01:09:30,412 --> 01:09:34,093
Speaker 24: That's that's run by basically cythy Street, right, So these

1433
01:09:34,133 --> 01:09:38,692
Speaker 24: people that do your first information sort of uptake when

1434
01:09:38,692 --> 01:09:40,532
Speaker 24: you when you fill it in, they're the ones that

1435
01:09:40,572 --> 01:09:43,133
Speaker 24: contact you. It's not military people. So even though you

1436
01:09:43,173 --> 01:09:46,452
Speaker 24: may have gone through a recruiting right sort of thing,

1437
01:09:46,692 --> 01:09:49,412
Speaker 24: so just this they may have possibly changed it, just

1438
01:09:49,412 --> 01:09:51,492
Speaker 24: just to at least make that note. But it was

1439
01:09:51,532 --> 01:09:54,372
Speaker 24: an absolute cock up for him from from where to

1440
01:09:54,412 --> 01:09:57,133
Speaker 24: go and frankly, the amount of letters we had to

1441
01:09:57,173 --> 01:10:00,372
Speaker 24: write to the heads of the administration to at least

1442
01:10:00,372 --> 01:10:02,333
Speaker 24: get an answer as to when he was going in

1443
01:10:02,412 --> 01:10:03,772
Speaker 24: and what what wing it was going.

1444
01:10:03,772 --> 01:10:05,213
Speaker 6: To be, and all sorts of stuff.

1445
01:10:05,253 --> 01:10:06,452
Speaker 10: It was insane.

1446
01:10:06,532 --> 01:10:09,133
Speaker 24: And we know a lot of young people that have

1447
01:10:09,173 --> 01:10:10,933
Speaker 24: tried to go through it, and through no fold of

1448
01:10:10,973 --> 01:10:14,492
Speaker 24: their own, that's put them off because they're put back

1449
01:10:14,492 --> 01:10:16,892
Speaker 24: and they're put back or there's no communication to them,

1450
01:10:17,293 --> 01:10:20,532
Speaker 24: so you know, and also I do believe my son's

1451
01:10:20,532 --> 01:10:23,133
Speaker 24: are a more specialized role. Now I won't say what

1452
01:10:23,173 --> 01:10:26,412
Speaker 24: part of the military is in, but for him, he

1453
01:10:26,492 --> 01:10:28,612
Speaker 24: believes too that there should be depending on what the

1454
01:10:28,692 --> 01:10:32,813
Speaker 24: role is, somebody sitting down with you know, a psychiatrists

1455
01:10:32,853 --> 01:10:36,812
Speaker 24: as well as officers with the experience in the trade

1456
01:10:36,853 --> 01:10:40,053
Speaker 24: that they're going into because some of the times with

1457
01:10:40,612 --> 01:10:43,412
Speaker 24: what he's seen and how he's now also involved in

1458
01:10:43,933 --> 01:10:46,173
Speaker 24: the training part as well, that they're not the right

1459
01:10:46,213 --> 01:10:49,933
Speaker 24: people and it doesn't always come down to your qualifications.

1460
01:10:49,933 --> 01:10:51,732
Speaker 24: I agree with that, because not all of us are,

1461
01:10:51,772 --> 01:10:55,412
Speaker 24: you know, point dexters. But to give somebody a go,

1462
01:10:55,532 --> 01:10:56,852
Speaker 24: and if you're really going to look at them, you've

1463
01:10:56,853 --> 01:10:58,372
Speaker 24: got to look at their personality. You've got to look

1464
01:10:58,372 --> 01:11:00,812
Speaker 24: at their ability to be able to communicate, to be

1465
01:11:00,812 --> 01:11:03,652
Speaker 24: able to listen. And I think while they're struggling to

1466
01:11:03,652 --> 01:11:05,572
Speaker 24: get people and at the moment, I think the bottom

1467
01:11:05,612 --> 01:11:08,213
Speaker 24: of a barrel has actually fell out and they are

1468
01:11:08,372 --> 01:11:11,013
Speaker 24: picking up a few loose units from here in the end,

1469
01:11:11,492 --> 01:11:15,052
Speaker 24: you know, and you get that no matter what in life.

1470
01:11:15,093 --> 01:11:16,213
Speaker 6: I understand that.

1471
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Speaker 24: But you cannot go and spend the money that they

1472
01:11:19,333 --> 01:11:21,812
Speaker 24: do on basic training, uniforms, all.

1473
01:11:21,732 --> 01:11:25,492
Speaker 10: That stuff off set for some you know, less.

1474
01:11:25,253 --> 01:11:28,173
Speaker 24: Than desirable person to go through that process and then

1475
01:11:28,173 --> 01:11:29,973
Speaker 24: they're not actually any good at the end of it.

1476
01:11:30,412 --> 01:11:32,293
Speaker 6: So I know, I'm sure they're very aware.

1477
01:11:33,133 --> 01:11:37,492
Speaker 24: We were actually asked to provide basically a backstory and

1478
01:11:37,572 --> 01:11:39,452
Speaker 24: what my son went through because.

1479
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Speaker 6: They were horrified by it, absolutely horrified. But he stuck

1480
01:11:43,253 --> 01:11:45,293
Speaker 6: with it and not everybody will.

1481
01:11:45,372 --> 01:11:47,612
Speaker 24: So if they tighten up the ends on that one

1482
01:11:47,732 --> 01:11:50,772
Speaker 24: hundred percent, you'll get good quality people. But you need

1483
01:11:50,853 --> 01:11:53,093
Speaker 24: to see them face to face. And I don't think

1484
01:11:53,133 --> 01:11:57,253
Speaker 24: an administrator working out of Rotaeru or somewhere else on

1485
01:11:57,253 --> 01:11:59,812
Speaker 24: a telephone has the ability to work out whether you're

1486
01:11:59,812 --> 01:12:00,652
Speaker 24: a what job or not?

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Speaker 8: Ye?

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Speaker 3: Nicely? Yeah, And how's your boy doing now? Is he

1489
01:12:03,853 --> 01:12:04,372
Speaker 3: enjoying it now?

1490
01:12:04,412 --> 01:12:07,932
Speaker 24: And yeah, loving it currently currently training at the moment,

1491
01:12:08,333 --> 01:12:10,732
Speaker 24: which is what you know they predominantly do because they're

1492
01:12:10,732 --> 01:12:14,372
Speaker 24: getting ready for any potential. And it's not just you

1493
01:12:14,412 --> 01:12:17,972
Speaker 24: know those people that say that, you know, we don't

1494
01:12:18,013 --> 01:12:19,412
Speaker 24: need the military and all the rest of it. Well,

1495
01:12:19,452 --> 01:12:21,572
Speaker 24: I'm sorry, you know, you're living with the names and

1496
01:12:21,612 --> 01:12:24,612
Speaker 24: the pixies. If you firmly believe that we don't have

1497
01:12:24,692 --> 01:12:27,293
Speaker 24: to have some sort of defense. We're not in control

1498
01:12:27,333 --> 01:12:29,173
Speaker 24: of the rest of the world, but we also have

1499
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Speaker 24: to be prepared at some stage.

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Speaker 6: You do have men and women that are willing to.

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01:12:32,412 --> 01:12:34,452
Speaker 24: Step up, but you've got to You've got to get

1502
01:12:34,692 --> 01:12:37,173
Speaker 24: get those right people, because they are, dare I say it,

1503
01:12:37,213 --> 01:12:40,732
Speaker 24: the leaders of tomorrow, you know, and you've got If

1504
01:12:40,732 --> 01:12:42,333
Speaker 24: you've got to do it now and you're putting the

1505
01:12:42,372 --> 01:12:45,932
Speaker 24: money in and you're making the investment, just just you know,

1506
01:12:46,133 --> 01:12:48,452
Speaker 24: cross the t's and dot the eyes, then you have

1507
01:12:48,532 --> 01:12:52,612
Speaker 24: a good, good quality experience for those that you know,

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01:12:52,692 --> 01:12:54,053
Speaker 24: kind of go through it and go, well, did that

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Speaker 24: wasn't wasn't as good?

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Speaker 2: You thanks so much, sir. You call Western. Yeah, it's

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01:12:59,013 --> 01:13:01,892
Speaker 2: interesting when you say, you know, talking to you know,

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01:13:01,973 --> 01:13:04,173
Speaker 2: someone that's been there, you know, face to face makes

1513
01:13:04,213 --> 01:13:06,932
Speaker 2: me think of the movie Starship Troopers when Johnny Ricco

1514
01:13:07,053 --> 01:13:09,572
Speaker 2: signing up and he says the guy recruiting who's in

1515
01:13:09,572 --> 01:13:12,653
Speaker 2: a uniform, you know that he wants to do mobile infantry,

1516
01:13:12,893 --> 01:13:15,893
Speaker 2: and the guy goes, good on your son, mobile infantry

1517
01:13:15,973 --> 01:13:18,253
Speaker 2: and maybe the man I am today, and then he

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01:13:18,492 --> 01:13:22,173
Speaker 2: pulls back and he's got two legs in an arm missing.

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01:13:22,293 --> 01:13:25,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, that made it real very fast. Oh, eight hundred

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01:13:25,492 --> 01:13:28,092
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Hopefully

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01:13:28,093 --> 01:13:30,213
Speaker 3: we'll get a few more calls in because coming up

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01:13:30,333 --> 01:13:31,852
Speaker 3: very shortly as well, we're going to have a chat

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01:13:31,893 --> 01:13:35,612
Speaker 3: to former Minister of Defense Wayne Map to break this

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01:13:35,692 --> 01:13:39,612
Speaker 3: all down. It is eleven to three, the issues.

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01:13:39,213 --> 01:13:41,692
Speaker 1: That affect you, and a bit of fun along the way.

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01:13:41,893 --> 01:13:45,812
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News TALKSB.

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01:13:46,412 --> 01:13:49,173
Speaker 3: News TALKSB. So, as we've been discussing, the government has

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01:13:49,213 --> 01:13:52,532
Speaker 3: announced a significant increase in defense spending nine billion dollars

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01:13:52,572 --> 01:13:54,852
Speaker 3: of new money in the next four years, lifting defense

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01:13:54,893 --> 01:13:57,372
Speaker 3: spending to two percent of GDP in the next eight years.

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01:13:57,412 --> 01:14:00,053
Speaker 3: To discuss further, we are joined by former Minister of

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01:14:00,093 --> 01:14:04,053
Speaker 3: Defense Wayne Map, Doctor Mapp, good afternoon to you. How

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01:14:04,093 --> 01:14:07,852
Speaker 3: are you very good? So did this government investment go

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01:14:07,933 --> 01:14:10,692
Speaker 3: further you expect it? In terms of that funding boost

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01:14:10,692 --> 01:14:13,453
Speaker 3: getting it to two percent of GDP, that is significant.

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01:14:14,853 --> 01:14:18,013
Speaker 4: It's significant, but they herald it for you months to

1537
01:14:18,053 --> 01:14:22,133
Speaker 4: be honest, and what that two percent means is that

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01:14:22,173 --> 01:14:25,452
Speaker 4: we won't just have two frigates in the future. It'll

1539
01:14:25,492 --> 01:14:28,932
Speaker 4: be three or four, but that's down the track. We're

1540
01:14:28,933 --> 01:14:30,813
Speaker 4: talking ten years away almost.

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01:14:31,293 --> 01:14:34,133
Speaker 2: Should we go further? America spends what three point four

1542
01:14:34,173 --> 01:14:38,612
Speaker 2: percent makes our push to two percent seem slight, but.

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01:14:38,572 --> 01:14:41,732
Speaker 4: We're also the most isolated country in the world and

1544
01:14:41,772 --> 01:14:44,572
Speaker 4: we've got a massive ocean between us and anyone else,

1545
01:14:45,093 --> 01:14:46,252
Speaker 4: So no, we shouldn't.

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01:14:46,372 --> 01:14:48,253
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you see as you know, if you

1547
01:14:48,253 --> 01:14:51,293
Speaker 2: say we're isolated, as we clearly are, what are the

1548
01:14:51,333 --> 01:14:54,093
Speaker 2: threats to New Zealand that we're trying to deal with

1549
01:14:54,093 --> 01:14:55,372
Speaker 2: with this increased funding?

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01:14:56,692 --> 01:15:00,132
Speaker 4: Were essentially in partnership with Australia. Australia is our only

1551
01:15:00,253 --> 01:15:03,732
Speaker 4: ally and we have to do things in concert with them.

1552
01:15:04,173 --> 01:15:07,852
Speaker 4: When the Chinese Task Force came down last month, the

1553
01:15:07,933 --> 01:15:10,732
Speaker 4: first frigate on the scene was in fact our frigate

1554
01:15:10,853 --> 01:15:14,053
Speaker 4: to Kaha, and then that was taken over by an

1555
01:15:14,093 --> 01:15:17,732
Speaker 4: Australian frigate out of Sydney, but both were fueled by

1556
01:15:17,853 --> 01:15:21,652
Speaker 4: our tanker. So the two countries work in concert, which

1557
01:15:21,652 --> 01:15:23,213
Speaker 4: is what you'd expect allies to do.

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01:15:23,812 --> 01:15:26,612
Speaker 3: So, looking at that investment list that's been released off

1559
01:15:26,652 --> 01:15:30,092
Speaker 3: the map, javelin missile upgrades and hance strike capabilities, improved

1560
01:15:30,412 --> 01:15:33,612
Speaker 3: drone capabilities that to me as a layman's appears to

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01:15:33,652 --> 01:15:37,133
Speaker 3: be a new direction in terms of armaments. Is that

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01:15:37,293 --> 01:15:40,293
Speaker 3: a right viewpoint or is that something we've been trying

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01:15:40,333 --> 01:15:42,013
Speaker 3: to improve for some years.

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01:15:42,213 --> 01:15:45,053
Speaker 4: Trying to improve for some years. It's sort of incremental.

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01:15:45,372 --> 01:15:49,173
Speaker 4: I suppose of that list, the most significant would really

1566
01:15:49,213 --> 01:15:53,572
Speaker 4: be putting strike capability on the P eight Poseidon's really

1567
01:15:53,572 --> 01:15:58,013
Speaker 4: an anti ship missile of literally hundreds of kilometers range.

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01:15:58,572 --> 01:16:01,013
Speaker 4: Drones kind of been planned for a long time, and

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01:16:01,053 --> 01:16:04,572
Speaker 4: I think they're primarily surveillance drones makes a lot of sense.

1570
01:16:04,612 --> 01:16:06,452
Speaker 4: You know, there are a lot of circumstances where you

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01:16:06,532 --> 01:16:10,612
Speaker 4: can send out a surveillan it's drone rather than an

1572
01:16:10,652 --> 01:16:13,172
Speaker 4: expensive P eight with oleven crewe.

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01:16:13,933 --> 01:16:16,692
Speaker 2: Now speaking of the all this, and there's a lot

1574
01:16:16,692 --> 01:16:22,972
Speaker 2: of mentions of uncrewed you know, uncrewed aerial systems and such.

1575
01:16:23,053 --> 01:16:25,412
Speaker 2: Do you see a defense force in New Zealand that

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01:16:25,532 --> 01:16:28,572
Speaker 2: has less humans in it in the future.

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01:16:29,572 --> 01:16:34,093
Speaker 4: No, All uncrude systems need a fair bit of human management.

1578
01:16:34,133 --> 01:16:37,173
Speaker 4: In fact, you know there are for instance, take the

1579
01:16:39,013 --> 01:16:42,652
Speaker 4: Seaborne VI aerial surveillance drone over the sea. You know

1580
01:16:42,732 --> 01:16:44,452
Speaker 4: you're going to have a crew of sort of three

1581
01:16:44,532 --> 01:16:47,852
Speaker 4: or four minimum to sort of operate that system. It's

1582
01:16:47,853 --> 01:16:51,613
Speaker 4: got to be constantly supervised. It's got to be programmed.

1583
01:16:51,853 --> 01:16:53,412
Speaker 4: It's got to be able to look at targets of

1584
01:16:54,452 --> 01:16:57,012
Speaker 4: items of opportunity to be a fishing fleet or something

1585
01:16:57,093 --> 01:17:02,453
Speaker 4: like that. So uncrewed systems means no people on the platform,

1586
01:17:02,853 --> 01:17:05,732
Speaker 4: doesn't mean to say no people on the system.

1587
01:17:05,973 --> 01:17:07,612
Speaker 2: So what do you say to this text. We're getting

1588
01:17:07,652 --> 01:17:11,572
Speaker 2: a few things like us through. This is an evil chat.

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01:17:11,732 --> 01:17:16,293
Speaker 2: The army is evil, The military is subscribed to sorry,

1590
01:17:16,412 --> 01:17:21,932
Speaker 2: sub subscribed state murder and sick to say we need

1591
01:17:21,973 --> 01:17:23,812
Speaker 2: a military at all.

1592
01:17:23,893 --> 01:17:26,213
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I don't buy that. And if you think

1593
01:17:26,253 --> 01:17:29,133
Speaker 4: of the well you think of what we did in

1594
01:17:29,173 --> 01:17:33,452
Speaker 4: these timil twenty five years ago and really for the

1595
01:17:33,452 --> 01:17:37,253
Speaker 4: following ten years. We helped that nation and the people

1596
01:17:37,293 --> 01:17:40,892
Speaker 4: of that nation have their freedom and their rights. Without

1597
01:17:41,093 --> 01:17:44,532
Speaker 4: us being there, along with the Australians, that would not

1598
01:17:44,612 --> 01:17:49,812
Speaker 4: have happened. It took Australia and New Zealand to provide

1599
01:17:49,853 --> 01:17:54,293
Speaker 4: the security to enable that to happen. You've had the

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01:17:54,372 --> 01:18:00,093
Speaker 4: miners all over the world, You've had people supervising the

1601
01:18:00,133 --> 01:18:04,092
Speaker 4: peace treaty between Egypt and Israel, so the New Zealand

1602
01:18:04,372 --> 01:18:07,932
Speaker 4: military is primarily involved about peacekeeping more than anything else.

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01:18:08,853 --> 01:18:11,932
Speaker 3: Dr Matt, it's been fascinating getting your analysis. Really appreciate

1604
01:18:11,973 --> 01:18:15,892
Speaker 3: your time this afternoon. No trouble that is former Minister

1605
01:18:15,933 --> 01:18:17,772
Speaker 3: of Defense Wayne Matt. We are going to carry this

1606
01:18:17,853 --> 01:18:20,253
Speaker 3: discussion on after three o'clock. So we want to hear

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01:18:20,253 --> 01:18:22,213
Speaker 3: from you. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If

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01:18:22,253 --> 01:18:25,253
Speaker 3: you've gone through military training, we'd love to hear from you,

1609
01:18:25,412 --> 01:18:28,572
Speaker 3: or if you your children or yourself are now thinking

1610
01:18:28,612 --> 01:18:31,732
Speaker 3: about a career in the Defense Force. With this new investment,

1611
01:18:31,973 --> 01:18:34,812
Speaker 3: we're keen to have a Chat's new sport and weather

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01:18:34,973 --> 01:18:37,173
Speaker 3: on its way. You're listening to Matt and Tyler. Very

1613
01:18:37,173 --> 01:18:46,893
Speaker 3: good afternoon to you.

1614
01:18:46,893 --> 01:18:51,372
Speaker 1: Your new home are insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

1615
01:18:51,412 --> 01:18:56,532
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Sebby afternoon.

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01:18:56,572 --> 01:18:58,572
Speaker 3: Welcome back into the show. So we're going to carry

1617
01:18:58,572 --> 01:19:01,133
Speaker 3: this on because we've had so many people who want

1618
01:19:01,173 --> 01:19:04,412
Speaker 3: to have a chat about the Defense Force, increase in

1619
01:19:04,492 --> 01:19:07,853
Speaker 3: spending and the attractiveness of a career in the military.

1620
01:19:07,893 --> 01:19:10,253
Speaker 3: Now O. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1621
01:19:10,372 --> 01:19:12,133
Speaker 3: number to call. We've got full boards at the moment,

1622
01:19:12,253 --> 01:19:13,932
Speaker 3: but if you can't get through, keep trying.

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01:19:14,372 --> 01:19:14,612
Speaker 25: Yeah.

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01:19:14,853 --> 01:19:17,612
Speaker 2: So, for the longest time, the military and New Zealand,

1625
01:19:17,612 --> 01:19:20,013
Speaker 2: as we were saying before, has looked like it was

1626
01:19:20,293 --> 01:19:24,013
Speaker 2: pushed into a corner. It was in decline. Less and

1627
01:19:24,093 --> 01:19:27,053
Speaker 2: less money was going into it. We dropped below one

1628
01:19:27,093 --> 01:19:30,492
Speaker 2: percent of GDP. Now they're pumping it up to two

1629
01:19:30,532 --> 01:19:33,692
Speaker 2: percent and above. Does that make it more attractive for you?

1630
01:19:33,772 --> 01:19:36,812
Speaker 2: Because it is a focus for the country. So if

1631
01:19:36,812 --> 01:19:39,652
Speaker 2: you've got a child going into the army or you

1632
01:19:39,692 --> 01:19:41,173
Speaker 2: have been in the army, what you think about it,

1633
01:19:41,213 --> 01:19:43,412
Speaker 2: I mean the defense force, then we'd love to hear

1634
01:19:43,532 --> 01:19:46,452
Speaker 2: from you. My brother joined at seventeen years old as

1635
01:19:46,452 --> 01:19:48,933
Speaker 2: a naval officer and we'll leave the September from the

1636
01:19:49,013 --> 01:19:52,333
Speaker 2: Navy after thirty four point five years of service. As

1637
01:19:52,333 --> 01:19:55,372
Speaker 2: he's been no longer offered a contract. The people calling

1638
01:19:55,412 --> 01:19:58,852
Speaker 2: my brother a sanctioned murderer make me so mad. I

1639
01:19:58,933 --> 01:20:01,133
Speaker 2: need to and they need to get educated. Our New

1640
01:20:01,213 --> 01:20:04,492
Speaker 2: Zealand Defense Force leads the world in humanitarian aid and response.

1641
01:20:04,692 --> 01:20:08,133
Speaker 2: My brother has helped countless countries and New Zealand communities

1642
01:20:08,333 --> 01:20:10,893
Speaker 2: and then responding to natural disasters in civil war. He

1643
01:20:10,933 --> 01:20:13,173
Speaker 2: has literally put his life in danger a few times,

1644
01:20:13,173 --> 01:20:16,653
Speaker 2: sacrifice family time and seeing his children grow. The sacrifice

1645
01:20:16,732 --> 01:20:19,932
Speaker 2: is huge and serving in the NZDF and New Zealanders

1646
01:20:19,973 --> 01:20:23,532
Speaker 2: don't value the service anywhere enough. He leaves with three

1647
01:20:23,572 --> 01:20:27,692
Speaker 2: decades of training, experience, friendships and a master is ready

1648
01:20:27,692 --> 01:20:31,052
Speaker 2: to now take all of this into a civilian job.

1649
01:20:31,293 --> 01:20:34,732
Speaker 3: He guys, that is text, yeah, thank you very much.

1650
01:20:34,812 --> 01:20:36,812
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighteen eighty scene number to call.

1651
01:20:36,893 --> 01:20:39,572
Speaker 2: And he's referring to this text we got that in

1652
01:20:39,612 --> 01:20:41,492
Speaker 2: the last hour that said this is an evil chat.

1653
01:20:41,532 --> 01:20:45,052
Speaker 2: The army is evil, the military is sanctioned state murder,

1654
01:20:45,093 --> 01:20:48,052
Speaker 2: and it is sick to say we need it. Yeah,

1655
01:20:48,133 --> 01:20:51,692
Speaker 2: there you go, so unpopular text with the doctor Wayne

1656
01:20:51,732 --> 01:20:52,372
Speaker 2: Mapp as well.

1657
01:20:52,452 --> 01:20:55,133
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised, Judy, how are you?

1658
01:20:55,973 --> 01:20:56,253
Speaker 13: Oh?

1659
01:20:56,293 --> 01:21:00,452
Speaker 20: Hello? Look, Actually the last text said everything that I

1660
01:21:00,612 --> 01:21:03,133
Speaker 20: was going to say, only I'm saying it in a

1661
01:21:03,173 --> 01:21:06,372
Speaker 20: much simpler way. But I agree with that. I agree

1662
01:21:06,372 --> 01:21:11,173
Speaker 20: with the increase in defense, and I was going to

1663
01:21:11,213 --> 01:21:14,692
Speaker 20: come or I am coming from the perspective, not from

1664
01:21:14,732 --> 01:21:18,652
Speaker 20: the respective of killing, but of saving people in times

1665
01:21:18,692 --> 01:21:23,853
Speaker 20: of disaster and where a country of earthquakes and cyclones,

1666
01:21:24,213 --> 01:21:27,213
Speaker 20: and the defense capability to step up when the big

1667
01:21:27,253 --> 01:21:31,173
Speaker 20: one hits is essential. Who else could cope. And I

1668
01:21:31,213 --> 01:21:36,692
Speaker 20: think people shouldn't look at armies nowadays it's killing machines

1669
01:21:36,732 --> 01:21:41,452
Speaker 20: and all that kind of rubbish, because they're not. They're

1670
01:21:41,532 --> 01:21:44,293
Speaker 20: there to save people. I mean, it would be only

1671
01:21:44,333 --> 01:21:48,412
Speaker 20: an extremity in a proper war that that sort of

1672
01:21:49,093 --> 01:21:52,932
Speaker 20: stuff would go on. They're essential to keep the peace,

1673
01:21:53,213 --> 01:21:57,133
Speaker 20: and in the big earthquake that's eventually going to hit,

1674
01:21:57,213 --> 01:21:59,692
Speaker 20: there's the first people to step up. I think they're

1675
01:21:59,973 --> 01:22:05,013
Speaker 20: absolutely essential and people should stop looking at armies, just

1676
01:22:05,213 --> 01:22:09,132
Speaker 20: like that last text said they should stop looking at armies.

1677
01:22:10,133 --> 01:22:14,132
Speaker 20: I hate even saying the word killing because they're essential

1678
01:22:14,492 --> 01:22:18,573
Speaker 20: to keep the peace, to help people in times of disaster.

1679
01:22:18,812 --> 01:22:22,612
Speaker 20: They're essential people and they turn out wonderful people. And

1680
01:22:22,692 --> 01:22:24,692
Speaker 20: I would just like to say saying to.

1681
01:22:24,612 --> 01:22:27,652
Speaker 2: You, well, thank you so much for you call Judy

1682
01:22:28,053 --> 01:22:30,772
Speaker 2: what you said. I'm sure members of the NZ Defense

1683
01:22:31,093 --> 01:22:35,012
Speaker 2: Force a loving hearing that kind of respect. Some people

1684
01:22:35,053 --> 01:22:37,133
Speaker 2: aren't sending that kind of stuff through. I mean, of

1685
01:22:37,133 --> 01:22:43,053
Speaker 2: course the army, the defense forces, they do also have

1686
01:22:43,133 --> 01:22:47,612
Speaker 2: the capability to you know, attackeah, I mean, and the

1687
01:22:47,652 --> 01:22:50,612
Speaker 2: major investments in twenty twenty five to twenty twenty eight

1688
01:22:50,893 --> 01:22:57,492
Speaker 2: include enhanced strike capabilities as well as uncrude aerial systems,

1689
01:22:57,492 --> 01:22:59,652
Speaker 2: long range of runtly pilot aircraft. I mean, all these

1690
01:22:59,692 --> 01:23:04,852
Speaker 2: things have have a combat aspect to.

1691
01:23:04,812 --> 01:23:08,892
Speaker 3: Them, certainly. And when we look at our Sas Division,

1692
01:23:09,133 --> 01:23:12,892
Speaker 3: and it is world renowned and very capable division, but

1693
01:23:12,973 --> 01:23:15,812
Speaker 3: the Special Operations a statement that says to me that

1694
01:23:15,853 --> 01:23:18,532
Speaker 3: there's going to be quite an increase in spending in

1695
01:23:18,532 --> 01:23:21,572
Speaker 3: the Sees Division as well. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten

1696
01:23:21,612 --> 01:23:23,053
Speaker 3: eighty is the number.

1697
01:23:22,732 --> 01:23:26,253
Speaker 2: To call when it comes to your young people going

1698
01:23:26,333 --> 01:23:29,692
Speaker 2: into the army. The New Zealand Defense Force. Guys, you

1699
01:23:29,732 --> 01:23:32,133
Speaker 2: need to balance the sphere issue. Over four hundred people

1700
01:23:32,173 --> 01:23:34,492
Speaker 2: die on New Zealand roads every year. Defense is safer

1701
01:23:34,532 --> 01:23:37,253
Speaker 2: than by a car or a truck driver. I'd rather

1702
01:23:37,293 --> 01:23:39,612
Speaker 2: a trained warrior and a garden than a trained gardener

1703
01:23:39,652 --> 01:23:42,812
Speaker 2: in a war. A great quote and I am ex Army.

1704
01:23:42,853 --> 01:23:44,052
Speaker 2: That's from Andrew Yep.

1705
01:23:44,213 --> 01:23:46,532
Speaker 3: Keep those techs coming through, but love to hear from you.

1706
01:23:46,692 --> 01:23:49,492
Speaker 3: On eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It is eleven past

1707
01:23:49,492 --> 01:23:53,492
Speaker 3: three afternoon. It is fourteen past three, and we're talking

1708
01:23:53,492 --> 01:23:55,933
Speaker 3: about a career in the military on the back of

1709
01:23:56,133 --> 01:23:59,093
Speaker 3: a significant increase in spending over the next four years

1710
01:23:59,173 --> 01:24:02,093
Speaker 3: nine billion of new money. And it has been fair

1711
01:24:02,133 --> 01:24:04,852
Speaker 3: to say over the past well un less say, five

1712
01:24:04,893 --> 01:24:08,452
Speaker 3: to ten years at the Defense Force, funding has been

1713
01:24:08,492 --> 01:24:11,173
Speaker 3: reducing and it's been left to rot a little bit

1714
01:24:11,412 --> 01:24:14,692
Speaker 3: longer than that, longer than that. So has this changed

1715
01:24:14,732 --> 01:24:17,652
Speaker 3: your mind? If you are looking to change careers? Would

1716
01:24:17,692 --> 01:24:19,892
Speaker 3: you consider the military now? Oh one hundred and eighteen

1717
01:24:19,933 --> 01:24:21,652
Speaker 3: eighty Barbara, your thoughts on all this?

1718
01:24:23,053 --> 01:24:23,213
Speaker 15: Oh?

1719
01:24:23,293 --> 01:24:26,652
Speaker 26: Hello, thanks for taking my call. I joined the Army

1720
01:24:26,772 --> 01:24:29,973
Speaker 26: in nineteen sixty eight, and I got out of the

1721
01:24:30,093 --> 01:24:32,892
Speaker 26: Army in nineteen eighty nine and joined the Air Force.

1722
01:24:32,933 --> 01:24:35,132
Speaker 26: So I was in the Air Force till two thousand

1723
01:24:35,173 --> 01:24:35,532
Speaker 26: and four.

1724
01:24:35,772 --> 01:24:35,972
Speaker 3: Wow.

1725
01:24:36,412 --> 01:24:41,412
Speaker 26: Now even today we still we do know everything. We

1726
01:24:41,532 --> 01:24:44,812
Speaker 26: learn hand to hand combat. We learned shooting as well

1727
01:24:44,812 --> 01:24:48,972
Speaker 26: as being communication to which I was. So in nineteen

1728
01:24:49,093 --> 01:24:53,452
Speaker 26: seventy seven, I was a female soldier, so I was

1729
01:24:53,492 --> 01:24:57,293
Speaker 26: what's called a rack, a Woman's Royal Army Corps. But

1730
01:24:57,412 --> 01:25:01,052
Speaker 26: in nineteen seventy seven they disbanded the Woman's Royal Army

1731
01:25:01,093 --> 01:25:04,972
Speaker 26: Corps and we all integrated into the main main corps

1732
01:25:05,013 --> 01:25:09,452
Speaker 26: with the men. Ever since seventy seven we're changed over,

1733
01:25:09,572 --> 01:25:12,293
Speaker 26: so a little bit of a shock to all us girls.

1734
01:25:13,812 --> 01:25:17,173
Speaker 2: How integrated, How integrated did you become?

1735
01:25:18,853 --> 01:25:21,412
Speaker 26: Well, a lot of the girls were in offices, you know,

1736
01:25:21,452 --> 01:25:25,093
Speaker 26: they didn't do what the men do now and from

1737
01:25:25,133 --> 01:25:29,133
Speaker 26: now on the modern army they do arm to armed combat,

1738
01:25:29,293 --> 01:25:31,652
Speaker 26: and they do shooting and all those sort of things.

1739
01:25:31,893 --> 01:25:36,173
Speaker 26: They get posted overseas well. We never did, but I

1740
01:25:36,213 --> 01:25:38,492
Speaker 26: did because I stayed in. A lot of the girls

1741
01:25:38,492 --> 01:25:41,213
Speaker 26: got out and got married and have babies, but I didn't.

1742
01:25:41,253 --> 01:25:45,212
Speaker 26: I stayed in and I learned all those things, and

1743
01:25:45,492 --> 01:25:48,173
Speaker 26: I just loved it. I just you know, even now,

1744
01:25:48,293 --> 01:25:51,293
Speaker 26: my friends from the Army and the Air Force, and

1745
01:25:52,253 --> 01:25:57,093
Speaker 26: I had family in the Navy, and my family's big

1746
01:25:57,412 --> 01:26:02,253
Speaker 26: in military. But this announcement we've just had is absolutely fantastic.

1747
01:26:02,772 --> 01:26:04,892
Speaker 26: And I have a grandson out at Linton at the moment,

1748
01:26:04,973 --> 01:26:08,013
Speaker 26: he's following in our footsteps. Both my husband and I

1749
01:26:08,053 --> 01:26:12,653
Speaker 26: were communications. So yeah, I think it's about time they

1750
01:26:12,772 --> 01:26:15,652
Speaker 26: need that sort of thing, because for young people to

1751
01:26:15,692 --> 01:26:18,932
Speaker 26: go in the military, it's a great it's a great life.

1752
01:26:19,053 --> 01:26:19,652
Speaker 22: It really is.

1753
01:26:19,853 --> 01:26:23,972
Speaker 3: Nicely said bar to travel. Yeah, I mean a lot

1754
01:26:23,973 --> 01:26:26,492
Speaker 3: of the texts that we're getting here. But in terms

1755
01:26:26,532 --> 01:26:28,652
Speaker 3: of your time at the Air Force, was it hard

1756
01:26:28,652 --> 01:26:32,692
Speaker 3: for you to see the you know, the Skyhawks for example,

1757
01:26:32,732 --> 01:26:36,852
Speaker 3: being mothboard and that funding start to reduce more and more.

1758
01:26:36,973 --> 01:26:38,892
Speaker 3: Was that hard for you to see when you were

1759
01:26:38,933 --> 01:26:39,932
Speaker 3: based within the Air Force?

1760
01:26:41,173 --> 01:26:44,693
Speaker 26: Yes, that was That was really hard because I personally,

1761
01:26:44,772 --> 01:26:48,613
Speaker 26: I thought we should have given those skyhawks to the Australians,

1762
01:26:48,973 --> 01:26:51,892
Speaker 26: and the Australians and the New Zealanders share them so

1763
01:26:51,933 --> 01:26:54,452
Speaker 26: that we could have an integrated force there, not get

1764
01:26:54,532 --> 01:26:57,093
Speaker 26: rid of all our great pilots and all our good airplanes.

1765
01:26:57,133 --> 01:27:00,293
Speaker 26: That was stupid, That was really silly. And when I

1766
01:27:00,372 --> 01:27:02,892
Speaker 26: was in the Air Force at that time, we got

1767
01:27:02,893 --> 01:27:05,213
Speaker 26: taken into a hangar the whole base and told we

1768
01:27:05,213 --> 01:27:08,732
Speaker 26: were weren't allowed to mention one word of it outside base,

1769
01:27:09,372 --> 01:27:11,293
Speaker 26: and that would I didn't like that because you know,

1770
01:27:11,333 --> 01:27:13,613
Speaker 26: you couldn't you didn't have a chance to talk to anybody,

1771
01:27:13,692 --> 01:27:15,173
Speaker 26: and it was just done.

1772
01:27:16,053 --> 01:27:16,372
Speaker 10: Barbara.

1773
01:27:16,492 --> 01:27:19,972
Speaker 26: Yet we had guys that you know, they nearly committed

1774
01:27:20,013 --> 01:27:24,132
Speaker 26: suicide because they they were just halfway through their training

1775
01:27:24,213 --> 01:27:27,213
Speaker 26: and all sorts of things. You know, it was just diabolical.

1776
01:27:27,293 --> 01:27:28,213
Speaker 10: Really, that's rough.

1777
01:27:28,612 --> 01:27:31,652
Speaker 2: So, Barbara, did you see combat combat in your time

1778
01:27:31,692 --> 01:27:32,892
Speaker 2: and the news in Defense Force?

1779
01:27:34,293 --> 01:27:37,012
Speaker 26: No, I didn't. But when I'd done my twenty years

1780
01:27:37,013 --> 01:27:39,452
Speaker 26: in the Army, I wanted to know if I was

1781
01:27:39,492 --> 01:27:42,213
Speaker 26: good enough. And so I went and joined an aid

1782
01:27:42,253 --> 01:27:43,813
Speaker 26: agency in Croatia.

1783
01:27:44,093 --> 01:27:44,492
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

1784
01:27:45,173 --> 01:27:47,812
Speaker 26: And I got leave from the Air Force to do that.

1785
01:27:48,293 --> 01:27:51,532
Speaker 26: But I went as a civilian and I learned a

1786
01:27:51,572 --> 01:27:52,053
Speaker 26: great deal.

1787
01:27:52,293 --> 01:27:52,492
Speaker 10: You know.

1788
01:27:52,612 --> 01:27:57,372
Speaker 26: I just was amazed how these guys get on over there.

1789
01:27:57,412 --> 01:28:00,173
Speaker 26: And when I came back, I was really confident that

1790
01:28:00,253 --> 01:28:01,852
Speaker 26: I could do just about anything.

1791
01:28:02,732 --> 01:28:03,012
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1792
01:28:03,093 --> 01:28:07,612
Speaker 2: And so when you have people and the defense forces, Barbara,

1793
01:28:07,612 --> 01:28:09,612
Speaker 2: and we've had a lot of people bringing in texting

1794
01:28:09,652 --> 01:28:11,973
Speaker 2: and saying, you know, there's a lot of you know,

1795
01:28:12,053 --> 01:28:16,213
Speaker 2: civil defense work with the army, but with the Defense Force.

1796
01:28:16,293 --> 01:28:18,732
Speaker 2: But do you do people want to get into combat

1797
01:28:18,772 --> 01:28:20,772
Speaker 2: because that's what you trained for. And as you say,

1798
01:28:20,812 --> 01:28:23,412
Speaker 2: you wanted to test yourself, you know, after you left

1799
01:28:24,452 --> 01:28:27,173
Speaker 2: and went to Croatia. But is that what you want

1800
01:28:27,173 --> 01:28:30,572
Speaker 2: if you've got the training to fight, is that what

1801
01:28:30,612 --> 01:28:31,452
Speaker 2: you want?

1802
01:28:32,372 --> 01:28:36,133
Speaker 26: Is every sold every soldier wants that. That's why they

1803
01:28:36,293 --> 01:28:40,492
Speaker 26: joined the military. But having said that, we need communications

1804
01:28:40,532 --> 01:28:43,573
Speaker 26: we need people in the stores, we need people everywhere,

1805
01:28:43,772 --> 01:28:46,172
Speaker 26: and they're doing just as good a job as anybody

1806
01:28:46,173 --> 01:28:49,972
Speaker 26: that's going overseas to do combat. And I think there's

1807
01:28:50,053 --> 01:28:53,932
Speaker 26: cross training all through the three forces and they can

1808
01:28:54,013 --> 01:28:57,612
Speaker 26: do anything, whether it be you know, and I don't,

1809
01:28:57,933 --> 01:29:00,372
Speaker 26: you know, sort of like to say killing, because that's

1810
01:29:00,372 --> 01:29:04,053
Speaker 26: not part of our mindset in New Zealand, but if

1811
01:29:04,093 --> 01:29:05,092
Speaker 26: we had to, we would.

1812
01:29:05,293 --> 01:29:08,293
Speaker 3: Yeah. And why did you leave, Barbara? Was it retire

1813
01:29:08,412 --> 01:29:09,333
Speaker 3: mint or something else?

1814
01:29:10,612 --> 01:29:10,812
Speaker 20: Yes?

1815
01:29:11,093 --> 01:29:14,213
Speaker 26: I retired, Yes, because I'm seventy five years old now,

1816
01:29:14,253 --> 01:29:19,253
Speaker 26: so I was getting on and yeah, that things were changing,

1817
01:29:19,572 --> 01:29:22,532
Speaker 26: you know, I got a lot more modern and younger people.

1818
01:29:22,572 --> 01:29:23,732
Speaker 26: You know, I was getting a bit old.

1819
01:29:24,293 --> 01:29:27,333
Speaker 2: And did you say that that you have a as

1820
01:29:27,333 --> 01:29:31,412
Speaker 2: a nephew that's going into the service, had a grandson, grandson.

1821
01:29:31,013 --> 01:29:33,972
Speaker 26: I've got a grandson, yes, year And did he reach

1822
01:29:34,013 --> 01:29:34,492
Speaker 26: out Linton?

1823
01:29:34,532 --> 01:29:37,213
Speaker 2: And did he reach out to you for advice? Did

1824
01:29:37,253 --> 01:29:39,333
Speaker 2: you you seduce anything around the force?

1825
01:29:40,652 --> 01:29:43,973
Speaker 26: His parents lived in Australia. His father was in the

1826
01:29:44,013 --> 01:29:48,253
Speaker 26: Air Force and he loved his grand granddad. And we

1827
01:29:48,253 --> 01:29:50,372
Speaker 26: were both in the army, but my husband became a

1828
01:29:50,372 --> 01:29:54,492
Speaker 26: policeman after we both retired. Or just before he became

1829
01:29:54,532 --> 01:29:58,173
Speaker 26: a policeman and carried on. But my grandson loves it

1830
01:29:58,213 --> 01:30:00,852
Speaker 26: out there, and he's in signals like I was and

1831
01:30:01,013 --> 01:30:04,772
Speaker 26: my husband was too, so he's he's the next generation

1832
01:30:05,133 --> 01:30:05,532
Speaker 26: coming on.

1833
01:30:06,333 --> 01:30:08,293
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, well, thank you so much.

1834
01:30:08,492 --> 01:30:10,692
Speaker 10: The equipment now, yeah, sorry, I.

1835
01:30:10,692 --> 01:30:14,052
Speaker 2: Know you're just about to say the modern equipment now, the.

1836
01:30:13,853 --> 01:30:18,293
Speaker 26: Modern equipment is absolutely unbelievable. I was lucky enough to

1837
01:30:18,333 --> 01:30:20,612
Speaker 26: go up to wou for a reunion a while ago

1838
01:30:21,293 --> 01:30:24,253
Speaker 26: from my husband's unit. Because my husband's passed away now,

1839
01:30:24,293 --> 01:30:27,852
Speaker 26: but his unit and seeing what they're doing up there

1840
01:30:27,973 --> 01:30:30,652
Speaker 26: is just well, mind boggling. I'd love to be back

1841
01:30:30,692 --> 01:30:33,253
Speaker 26: in the army a now, thirty forty years ago.

1842
01:30:33,492 --> 01:30:36,772
Speaker 3: You've been great to chat to. Bara. Thank you very much.

1843
01:30:37,612 --> 01:30:40,492
Speaker 2: It's interesting in the in the you know, if you're

1844
01:30:40,532 --> 01:30:42,852
Speaker 2: in the defense sort of sources. The cat is pretty cool,

1845
01:30:43,013 --> 01:30:45,933
Speaker 2: I was talking to. I did the speaking event with

1846
01:30:46,612 --> 01:30:50,772
Speaker 2: Jamie Panell, who wrote Serviceman J The Untold Story of

1847
01:30:50,812 --> 01:30:54,293
Speaker 2: an nz ESAs Soldier, and I asked him the saying

1848
01:30:54,772 --> 01:30:56,572
Speaker 2: how much do you like the cat? And he goes, oh,

1849
01:30:56,612 --> 01:30:58,973
Speaker 2: the kit is so good, especially when you get the

1850
01:30:58,973 --> 01:31:03,932
Speaker 2: American cat when you're over working with the American military.

1851
01:31:04,253 --> 01:31:05,213
Speaker 2: It gets a pretty good cat.

1852
01:31:05,333 --> 01:31:05,532
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1853
01:31:05,572 --> 01:31:07,532
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1854
01:31:07,572 --> 01:31:09,892
Speaker 3: to call. Call love to hear your stories if you

1855
01:31:10,013 --> 01:31:13,933
Speaker 3: have served in the military, or about two sign up

1856
01:31:13,973 --> 01:31:16,372
Speaker 3: for a career in defense. We are keen to chat

1857
01:31:16,372 --> 01:31:17,852
Speaker 3: with you. It is twenty two past.

1858
01:31:17,652 --> 01:31:25,093
Speaker 1: Three Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1859
01:31:25,173 --> 01:31:27,372
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

1860
01:31:27,572 --> 01:31:30,412
Speaker 3: Good afternoon, and we are talking about joining the defense

1861
01:31:30,492 --> 01:31:34,253
Speaker 3: force on the bank of significant increase in funding nine

1862
01:31:34,253 --> 01:31:36,892
Speaker 3: million dollars of new money over the next four years.

1863
01:31:37,412 --> 01:31:40,093
Speaker 2: John says the Ukrainian Russian war has shown modern day

1864
01:31:40,133 --> 01:31:44,173
Speaker 2: warfare now involves the massive use of unmanned unmanned Why

1865
01:31:44,173 --> 01:31:46,692
Speaker 2: did I say that? So we had unmanned cheap drones

1866
01:31:46,732 --> 01:31:51,972
Speaker 2: for surveillance, killing infantry, destroying tanks, armored personnel characters, carriers,

1867
01:31:52,093 --> 01:31:54,532
Speaker 2: artillery pieces, and even warships. There needs to be a

1868
01:31:54,652 --> 01:31:59,013
Speaker 2: massive spend on drones and drone operators. Well, there is

1869
01:31:59,053 --> 01:32:01,612
Speaker 2: a lot of mention in the major investments list we've

1870
01:32:01,612 --> 01:32:10,013
Speaker 2: got here of uncrewed autonomous vessels, counter uncrewed aerial systems.

1871
01:32:10,293 --> 01:32:13,852
Speaker 2: There's a lot of uncrewed listed in this. So, yeah,

1872
01:32:13,893 --> 01:32:18,732
Speaker 2: they are definitely looking into that into drone technology. Wayne

1873
01:32:18,772 --> 01:32:23,572
Speaker 2: Matt told us. You know that the the uncrewed doesn't

1874
01:32:23,612 --> 01:32:25,612
Speaker 2: mean there isn't crew on the ground. Yeah, and there's

1875
01:32:25,612 --> 01:32:27,852
Speaker 2: a lot of there's a lot of jobs still in

1876
01:32:27,853 --> 01:32:28,293
Speaker 2: that area.

1877
01:32:29,293 --> 01:32:32,812
Speaker 3: Mark, how are you this afternoon afternon gentlemen? How are

1878
01:32:32,853 --> 01:32:34,532
Speaker 3: you very good? And what's your view on this?

1879
01:32:35,692 --> 01:32:35,852
Speaker 20: Oh?

1880
01:32:35,973 --> 01:32:37,412
Speaker 27: Look, I think about time.

1881
01:32:38,692 --> 01:32:39,492
Speaker 5: I look.

1882
01:32:39,532 --> 01:32:41,772
Speaker 27: All my family served in the military. I had great

1883
01:32:41,812 --> 01:32:46,892
Speaker 27: uncles both for grandfathers and my great grandfathers were in

1884
01:32:46,933 --> 01:32:49,812
Speaker 27: the First and Second World War. I've had family that

1885
01:32:49,853 --> 01:32:53,052
Speaker 27: were in Korea. My father volunteered to go to Vietnam,

1886
01:32:53,093 --> 01:32:55,772
Speaker 27: but back then it was he missed out because it

1887
01:32:55,812 --> 01:33:00,692
Speaker 27: was done on birthday, so he never went. So and

1888
01:33:01,692 --> 01:33:04,612
Speaker 27: I've always had an interest in the military. I think

1889
01:33:04,652 --> 01:33:07,173
Speaker 27: it was from the stories that my grandfathers used to

1890
01:33:07,213 --> 01:33:09,253
Speaker 27: tell me what one was an My mom's dad was

1891
01:33:09,253 --> 01:33:11,452
Speaker 27: in the Pacific and the Air Force, and all of

1892
01:33:11,492 --> 01:33:15,692
Speaker 27: my dad's side were in the Army, and his mother

1893
01:33:15,933 --> 01:33:21,492
Speaker 27: was in the Woman's Naval Auxillary during the Second World War.

1894
01:33:21,853 --> 01:33:24,612
Speaker 27: So it's been really and so I joined their training

1895
01:33:24,612 --> 01:33:29,333
Speaker 27: courts and thoroughly enjoyed it and loved it.

1896
01:33:29,333 --> 01:33:29,732
Speaker 26: It was.

1897
01:33:31,532 --> 01:33:35,692
Speaker 27: And the thing about it was is three time the

1898
01:33:35,732 --> 01:33:38,892
Speaker 27: same ranks as the Air Force. So you'd go and

1899
01:33:39,013 --> 01:33:42,372
Speaker 27: you'd fly up to Rigorm at the time in christ

1900
01:33:42,452 --> 01:33:46,093
Speaker 27: Church where you do your Junior n and Senior NCO

1901
01:33:46,692 --> 01:33:49,013
Speaker 27: and officers courses, you were flying around to the other

1902
01:33:49,053 --> 01:33:49,612
Speaker 27: Air Force bace.

1903
01:33:49,732 --> 01:33:52,772
Speaker 15: He lived and worked on the Air Force base at

1904
01:33:52,772 --> 01:33:55,932
Speaker 15: that time in Rigram. He also did things called living work,

1905
01:33:55,973 --> 01:33:58,572
Speaker 15: which I had two opportunities. One of them m I

1906
01:33:58,652 --> 01:34:00,932
Speaker 15: spent a week with number three Squadron which was then

1907
01:34:00,973 --> 01:34:04,932
Speaker 15: flying our Airquois. And the second one was I went

1908
01:34:04,933 --> 01:34:06,532
Speaker 15: away and lived worked for a week when we were

1909
01:34:06,532 --> 01:34:09,173
Speaker 15: doing out Petrie K a rhyme and their ryans were

1910
01:34:09,173 --> 01:34:13,692
Speaker 15: doing the conversions to the K conversion and that was

1911
01:34:13,692 --> 01:34:16,532
Speaker 15: fabulous and that was in the basis out of Blenham

1912
01:34:16,772 --> 01:34:19,412
Speaker 15: and else Blenham there would burn.

1913
01:34:19,652 --> 01:34:22,692
Speaker 27: So and that led me on to go to the

1914
01:34:22,732 --> 01:34:25,333
Speaker 27: Air Force, which unfortunately I didn't make. I did all

1915
01:34:25,372 --> 01:34:28,333
Speaker 27: the tests pass and a couple of weeks from Antack,

1916
01:34:28,452 --> 01:34:32,972
Speaker 27: I had a severe injury playing rugby, fairly destroyed one.

1917
01:34:32,893 --> 01:34:33,372
Speaker 10: Of my knees.

1918
01:34:33,452 --> 01:34:38,973
Speaker 27: So that governed me because as a kid growing up.

1919
01:34:39,013 --> 01:34:42,253
Speaker 27: My heroes were the men and woman that the two

1920
01:34:42,293 --> 01:34:44,812
Speaker 27: greatest generations that the world has ever seen, which are

1921
01:34:44,812 --> 01:34:47,492
Speaker 27: the men and woman that served in both World Wars,

1922
01:34:48,173 --> 01:34:51,772
Speaker 27: and I wanted to be dislike them. I wanted to

1923
01:34:51,772 --> 01:34:54,852
Speaker 27: be someone who could do something for their country and

1924
01:34:54,933 --> 01:34:59,692
Speaker 27: for the people, because that's what my grandparents. And also

1925
01:34:59,812 --> 01:35:02,173
Speaker 27: I wanted to have a career because I saw what

1926
01:35:02,372 --> 01:35:05,812
Speaker 27: happened after people left, you know, like it's great. So

1927
01:35:05,893 --> 01:35:09,612
Speaker 27: my son joined the Air Training Corps and he thoroughly

1928
01:35:09,732 --> 01:35:15,732
Speaker 27: enjoyed it, and he's hopefully either some part of this

1929
01:35:15,853 --> 01:35:18,652
Speaker 27: year on an intake to the police force. I really

1930
01:35:18,652 --> 01:35:21,612
Speaker 27: wish he'd joined the armed forces because he's a technical

1931
01:35:21,652 --> 01:35:26,213
Speaker 27: savvy guru. But he's choosing the police forces eventually, so

1932
01:35:26,293 --> 01:35:29,133
Speaker 27: that's great. I think it's about time that our armed

1933
01:35:29,133 --> 01:35:32,372
Speaker 27: forces have had Look, you know, it's what annoys means.

1934
01:35:32,372 --> 01:35:34,772
Speaker 27: These people say that, you know, it's a waste of money.

1935
01:35:35,173 --> 01:35:37,772
Speaker 27: You know, would you still drive a car around daily

1936
01:35:37,853 --> 01:35:40,932
Speaker 27: or use old technology like our armed forces have been.

1937
01:35:40,973 --> 01:35:43,253
Speaker 27: You know, these people need the proper tools to keep

1938
01:35:43,372 --> 01:35:45,772
Speaker 27: up with the rest of the armed forces. And what

1939
01:35:46,053 --> 01:35:49,013
Speaker 27: really really irates me the most is that there are

1940
01:35:49,053 --> 01:35:53,572
Speaker 27: people with those negative messages calling fascism and stuff like that,

1941
01:35:53,652 --> 01:35:56,492
Speaker 27: Like they wouldn't understand, like they need to spend less

1942
01:35:56,492 --> 01:36:00,372
Speaker 27: time on social media, on Facebook and googling words. They

1943
01:36:00,372 --> 01:36:02,652
Speaker 27: would have an idea what fascism and Nazism is. Like

1944
01:36:03,053 --> 01:36:08,373
Speaker 27: I sort of said, our military forces have upheld and

1945
01:36:08,612 --> 01:36:11,452
Speaker 27: the highest degree, like we've got one of the only

1946
01:36:11,452 --> 01:36:15,093
Speaker 27: Commonwealth countries that ever double Victoria Cross winner, you know,

1947
01:36:16,013 --> 01:36:19,212
Speaker 27: and this one was really happy. Like our armed forces

1948
01:36:19,253 --> 01:36:21,652
Speaker 27: need it. I would encourage the lot when I was

1949
01:36:21,652 --> 01:36:24,412
Speaker 27: in a factory, when all these young kids would come

1950
01:36:24,452 --> 01:36:27,732
Speaker 27: through and when they left, I was so proud of

1951
01:36:27,732 --> 01:36:29,412
Speaker 27: one of some of my young workers would go to

1952
01:36:29,452 --> 01:36:33,293
Speaker 27: the Armed forces and they'd get things like building, marine

1953
01:36:33,333 --> 01:36:34,732
Speaker 27: engineering and stuff like that.

1954
01:36:35,213 --> 01:36:35,932
Speaker 4: I mean, why.

1955
01:36:35,772 --> 01:36:37,652
Speaker 27: Wouldn't you want to go there? You get a trade,

1956
01:36:37,692 --> 01:36:39,452
Speaker 27: you get feed, you get paid, you get to.

1957
01:36:39,412 --> 01:36:40,452
Speaker 6: Go all around the world.

1958
01:36:40,732 --> 01:36:43,452
Speaker 27: If I could turn back the clock and not play

1959
01:36:43,532 --> 01:36:46,293
Speaker 27: Rugby two weeks priors me to go into the Air Force,

1960
01:36:46,333 --> 01:36:49,692
Speaker 27: by god, I would go and do it. I would

1961
01:36:49,133 --> 01:36:52,452
Speaker 27: my heroes and the people. I respect most of this

1962
01:36:52,612 --> 01:36:55,772
Speaker 27: country as anyone that puts on that uniform, regardless if

1963
01:36:55,812 --> 01:36:58,732
Speaker 27: you're non combatant or not, you have my highest respect

1964
01:36:58,812 --> 01:36:59,892
Speaker 27: and you always will.

1965
01:37:00,372 --> 01:37:01,372
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call.

1966
01:37:01,572 --> 01:37:01,852
Speaker 4: Mark.

1967
01:37:02,293 --> 01:37:05,572
Speaker 2: We appreciate that it's been a fantastic chat. It certainly has,

1968
01:37:05,732 --> 01:37:08,213
Speaker 2: and I tell you what, ad a lot from people

1969
01:37:08,612 --> 01:37:12,013
Speaker 2: that have been in the Armed Services and the New

1970
01:37:12,093 --> 01:37:15,692
Speaker 2: Zealand Defense Force that speak highly of the experience. Although

1971
01:37:16,013 --> 01:37:18,652
Speaker 2: this person says it's not the playground, you guys are

1972
01:37:18,652 --> 01:37:20,812
Speaker 2: making it out to be. The army is tough. I

1973
01:37:20,853 --> 01:37:22,412
Speaker 2: don't think anyone was saying it was the playground. I

1974
01:37:22,532 --> 01:37:25,213
Speaker 2: think I think some of the reason why these people

1975
01:37:25,213 --> 01:37:28,093
Speaker 2: have been saying that they love their time and the

1976
01:37:28,213 --> 01:37:32,052
Speaker 2: NZ Defense Force was because it was hard, not because

1977
01:37:32,053 --> 01:37:34,333
Speaker 2: it was easy. It was a playground. We need to

1978
01:37:34,372 --> 01:37:36,492
Speaker 2: invade someone to make it fun being in the military.

1979
01:37:36,532 --> 01:37:41,253
Speaker 2: I'm thinking you Caledonia or Tahiti tah Tahiti. We've spelled

1980
01:37:41,293 --> 01:37:45,372
Speaker 2: that wrong, or even maybe Tasmania. The Aussies wouldn't mind cheers.

1981
01:37:45,133 --> 01:37:47,532
Speaker 3: Robi, So do we would be nice?

1982
01:37:47,612 --> 01:37:51,972
Speaker 2: Do we need to invade Tasmania to get people excited

1983
01:37:51,973 --> 01:37:55,652
Speaker 2: about joining the military. Actually, I think recruitment numbers are

1984
01:37:55,652 --> 01:37:56,372
Speaker 2: going pretty well.

1985
01:37:56,452 --> 01:37:56,732
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1986
01:37:56,772 --> 01:38:00,012
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And there was a few questions about salary increases

1987
01:38:00,013 --> 01:38:02,492
Speaker 3: in the military that will be announced in the budget

1988
01:38:02,772 --> 01:38:05,572
Speaker 3: at the end of May. But thank you very much

1989
01:38:05,612 --> 01:38:08,013
Speaker 3: for all the techs and phone calls on that one. Right,

1990
01:38:08,333 --> 01:38:12,572
Speaker 3: Why is bald sexy again? Is bald beautiful was certainly

1991
01:38:12,652 --> 01:38:14,933
Speaker 3: receding airlines? It appears it may be.

1992
01:38:15,732 --> 01:38:18,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, let's look into that next one hundred and

1993
01:38:18,612 --> 01:38:21,333
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty Do you fancy a bald man?

1994
01:38:24,412 --> 01:38:25,293
Speaker 6: Use talks at be.

1995
01:38:25,452 --> 01:38:29,173
Speaker 8: Headlines with blue bubble taxis It's no trouble with a

1996
01:38:29,173 --> 01:38:33,732
Speaker 8: blue bubble. Acting Reserve Bank Governor Christian Hawksby has been

1997
01:38:33,772 --> 01:38:37,412
Speaker 8: appointed governor for a six month period from today. It

1998
01:38:37,572 --> 01:38:40,572
Speaker 8: terms that can be extended by up to three months.

1999
01:38:41,372 --> 01:38:44,892
Speaker 8: The Economic Growth and Finance Minister says higher prices are

2000
01:38:45,013 --> 01:38:49,212
Speaker 8: possible as US tariffs take effect, but as reassuring kiwis

2001
01:38:49,253 --> 01:38:52,852
Speaker 8: were well placed to deal with the impacts. Former labor

2002
01:38:52,933 --> 01:38:56,013
Speaker 8: leader Andrew Little says he's actively considering running for the

2003
01:38:56,053 --> 01:39:00,532
Speaker 8: Wellington mayoralty after approaches by a range of people. The

2004
01:39:00,652 --> 01:39:04,052
Speaker 8: US President says talks are planned with Iran this weekend

2005
01:39:04,053 --> 01:39:08,213
Speaker 8: around a nuclear deal. The International Atomic Energy Agency war

2006
01:39:08,372 --> 01:39:13,612
Speaker 8: once the country has large stockpiles of enriched uranium. Woodville

2007
01:39:13,692 --> 01:39:17,853
Speaker 8: farmer Noel Cunningham has been banned from owning farm animals

2008
01:39:17,893 --> 01:39:22,372
Speaker 8: and sentenced to community detention after fifty five neglected sheep

2009
01:39:22,492 --> 01:39:26,372
Speaker 8: had to be euthanized. Todong, a Welcome based sports bar

2010
01:39:26,492 --> 01:39:29,772
Speaker 8: and grill and connected super liquor, had been stripped of

2011
01:39:29,812 --> 01:39:33,932
Speaker 8: their liquor license and closed for breaches, including again selling

2012
01:39:34,053 --> 01:39:40,612
Speaker 8: alcohol to a minor microaggression Tech Bros. Fewer promotions Why

2013
01:39:40,732 --> 01:39:44,612
Speaker 8: women in TEXI is still many issues. You can read

2014
01:39:44,652 --> 01:39:47,772
Speaker 8: more at Enzid, Herald Premium, mac Martin, Matt Heath and

2015
01:39:47,772 --> 01:39:48,893
Speaker 8: Tyler Adams.

2016
01:39:48,492 --> 01:39:52,612
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylene. Receding hairlines are now suddenly sexy.

2017
01:39:52,853 --> 01:39:58,733
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wilton Goggins and White Lotus watched the final finale

2018
01:39:58,812 --> 01:40:00,932
Speaker 2: last night. I thought it was a fantastic series. I'll

2019
01:40:00,933 --> 01:40:04,772
Speaker 2: probably go second series, first series, third series, but I

2020
01:40:04,812 --> 01:40:06,532
Speaker 2: think the third series was still fantastic. But it's not

2021
01:40:06,572 --> 01:40:09,452
Speaker 2: about the review of that. It's about pa people saying

2022
01:40:09,652 --> 01:40:13,572
Speaker 2: on the back of Walton Goggins and his receding hairline

2023
01:40:13,612 --> 01:40:17,012
Speaker 2: that receding hairlines are sexy. People are looking for them,

2024
01:40:17,213 --> 01:40:19,973
Speaker 2: which I think is interesting because I wonder if we,

2025
01:40:20,173 --> 01:40:23,293
Speaker 2: if men could just get over our fear of losing

2026
01:40:23,293 --> 01:40:25,812
Speaker 2: our hair, if we would be unstoppably powerful.

2027
01:40:25,933 --> 01:40:29,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. It's a huge source of anxiety for

2028
01:40:29,173 --> 01:40:32,133
Speaker 3: pretty much every man out there, the feeling of going

2029
01:40:32,173 --> 01:40:35,293
Speaker 3: bald and slowly going bald. But hopefully that's turning around

2030
01:40:35,333 --> 01:40:37,492
Speaker 3: with the receding hairlines now having sex appeal.

2031
01:40:37,772 --> 01:40:42,732
Speaker 2: Yeah. So do you find bald people attractive? I mean

2032
01:40:42,772 --> 01:40:45,692
Speaker 2: there's different ball people. I mean there's some people. Whether

2033
01:40:45,732 --> 01:40:47,093
Speaker 2: I've got a full headed here or not. It's not

2034
01:40:47,253 --> 01:40:51,053
Speaker 2: going to save their faces, is it. But as baal

2035
01:40:51,133 --> 01:40:54,053
Speaker 2: a problem anymore? Is it time for bald people to

2036
01:40:54,093 --> 01:40:56,692
Speaker 2: stop shaving it all off and just doing what Larry

2037
01:40:56,772 --> 01:40:59,692
Speaker 2: David said and owning up to it and having the

2038
01:40:59,692 --> 01:41:02,012
Speaker 2: bits around the side. The Captain steu Being's around the side,

2039
01:41:02,053 --> 01:41:04,652
Speaker 2: the Larry David's around the side. You kind of see

2040
01:41:04,692 --> 01:41:08,293
Speaker 2: it a little bit with Prince William. Oh yeah he's gone,

2041
01:41:08,612 --> 01:41:10,892
Speaker 2: but he hasn't shaved it all off. And I'm going

2042
01:41:10,973 --> 01:41:14,933
Speaker 2: to say that Prince William looks rubbish bald.

2043
01:41:14,812 --> 01:41:17,412
Speaker 3: Yep, well completely bald. I think he's got to shave

2044
01:41:17,452 --> 01:41:19,492
Speaker 3: off those little bits of tough hair on the side

2045
01:41:19,532 --> 01:41:19,812
Speaker 3: of the head.

2046
01:41:19,853 --> 01:41:22,133
Speaker 2: I just think, unfortunately for her, he's not someone that

2047
01:41:22,133 --> 01:41:26,372
Speaker 2: that suit's being baled Dwayne the Rock Johnson does absolutely,

2048
01:41:26,412 --> 01:41:30,092
Speaker 2: Shaquille O'Neil does. Callie Slater is a good looking boy.

2049
01:41:30,133 --> 01:41:32,732
Speaker 3: He is a very good looking man with baldhead.

2050
01:41:32,973 --> 01:41:34,772
Speaker 2: But I saw this billboard when I was driving to

2051
01:41:34,812 --> 01:41:39,692
Speaker 2: work this morning and it said it said you look

2052
01:41:39,772 --> 01:41:43,412
Speaker 2: but better bald something no one ever says, that's what

2053
01:41:43,452 --> 01:41:45,852
Speaker 2: the billboard says, or something to that effect. I was thinking,

2054
01:41:46,652 --> 01:41:49,692
Speaker 2: that's a lot. I remember in my twenties I thought

2055
01:41:49,732 --> 01:41:50,652
Speaker 2: I might be going bald.

2056
01:41:50,812 --> 01:41:51,052
Speaker 6: Yep.

2057
01:41:51,772 --> 01:41:53,372
Speaker 2: It turned out that I was trying to bleach my

2058
01:41:53,452 --> 01:41:56,213
Speaker 2: hair to look like Kurt Cobain and burnt a lot

2059
01:41:56,253 --> 01:42:00,093
Speaker 2: of it off. It does surprise, but I was worried

2060
01:42:00,133 --> 01:42:02,413
Speaker 2: as going bald. And there's this huge amount of anxiety

2061
01:42:02,452 --> 01:42:04,732
Speaker 2: about going bald. But does it really matter? I mean,

2062
01:42:04,812 --> 01:42:07,213
Speaker 2: you can look good with the receder. Is it time

2063
01:42:07,492 --> 01:42:10,852
Speaker 2: for us to celebrate the receder? Yeah, celebrate baldness.

2064
01:42:10,893 --> 01:42:13,412
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

2065
01:42:13,412 --> 01:42:16,133
Speaker 3: call just looking at a survey that was conducted last

2066
01:42:16,213 --> 01:42:19,532
Speaker 3: year and apparently, according to the survey, eighty seven point

2067
01:42:19,532 --> 01:42:22,772
Speaker 3: five percent of women find bald men attractive. But they

2068
01:42:22,812 --> 01:42:26,732
Speaker 3: went further to say, what should one work on to

2069
01:42:26,933 --> 01:42:29,532
Speaker 3: rock his bald look. If a man's going baled, what

2070
01:42:29,612 --> 01:42:32,093
Speaker 3: does he need to do to continue looking attractive? So

2071
01:42:32,133 --> 01:42:34,412
Speaker 3: forty six percent said that they need to be more

2072
01:42:34,412 --> 01:42:36,812
Speaker 3: confident in themselves and people around them. Yep, fair enough.

2073
01:42:36,973 --> 01:42:39,972
Speaker 3: Thirty six percent s he'd grow a girthy beard.

2074
01:42:40,652 --> 01:42:40,812
Speaker 10: Ah.

2075
01:42:40,893 --> 01:42:42,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've underlined the word girthy there.

2076
01:42:42,772 --> 01:42:44,253
Speaker 2: But then you can kind of look like you're running

2077
01:42:44,253 --> 01:42:45,852
Speaker 2: an upside down haircut if you're not careful.

2078
01:42:46,013 --> 01:42:49,492
Speaker 3: Exactly. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

2079
01:42:49,492 --> 01:42:53,053
Speaker 3: to call? Is bald beautiful or at least receding hairlines?

2080
01:42:53,173 --> 01:42:53,772
Speaker 3: Is it sexy?

2081
01:42:53,812 --> 01:42:54,012
Speaker 6: Again?

2082
01:42:54,093 --> 01:42:55,972
Speaker 3: Love to hear from you? It is twenty two to four.

2083
01:42:57,173 --> 01:43:00,652
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2084
01:43:00,933 --> 01:43:05,012
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Hu's talks.

2085
01:43:05,013 --> 01:43:08,133
Speaker 6: The'd be names in common with him? Hell like what

2086
01:43:09,612 --> 01:43:10,253
Speaker 6: he those old?

2087
01:43:12,293 --> 01:43:12,772
Speaker 2: Nice?

2088
01:43:13,293 --> 01:43:16,892
Speaker 13: I mean if your age, Oh he's bald and you're

2089
01:43:16,933 --> 01:43:18,932
Speaker 13: going bald, I'm.

2090
01:43:18,812 --> 01:43:19,572
Speaker 6: Not going bald?

2091
01:43:21,492 --> 01:43:27,452
Speaker 2: Okay from Walton Goggins, Yeah, that's on White Lotus. What

2092
01:43:27,532 --> 01:43:31,852
Speaker 2: a fantastic show. But as we were saying before, Walton Goggins,

2093
01:43:31,893 --> 01:43:35,732
Speaker 2: Receder is getting rave reviews. And it is now. It

2094
01:43:35,772 --> 01:43:39,652
Speaker 2: has been said some fashion magazines that bald is back

2095
01:43:39,732 --> 01:43:43,892
Speaker 2: and bald is beautiful, and you want to recede, Mandy.

2096
01:43:43,973 --> 01:43:44,732
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on.

2097
01:43:44,652 --> 01:43:52,932
Speaker 28: This absolutely because all those men out there who are

2098
01:43:52,933 --> 01:43:55,932
Speaker 28: worried about losing their hair, they can actually hold their

2099
01:43:55,933 --> 01:44:01,492
Speaker 28: head high. They have higher levels of testosterone. Yeah, so

2100
01:44:02,492 --> 01:44:04,452
Speaker 28: I'm not saying they've warned off on the bad head,

2101
01:44:04,492 --> 01:44:07,773
Speaker 28: but you know that is a slight Mother Nature's complement

2102
01:44:07,853 --> 01:44:10,892
Speaker 28: to them. You know, we've got genetics involved. I can

2103
01:44:10,933 --> 01:44:13,253
Speaker 28: look back on a wedding photo and all the twenty

2104
01:44:13,333 --> 01:44:16,412
Speaker 28: thirty year old male cousins. We can see the receding hairlines.

2105
01:44:16,893 --> 01:44:20,052
Speaker 28: There's lots of reasons. And I don't think man should

2106
01:44:20,053 --> 01:44:23,452
Speaker 28: worry about being baled. I'm glad it's starting to look

2107
01:44:23,772 --> 01:44:26,412
Speaker 28: people are accepting it as more suave than, if nothing

2108
01:44:26,412 --> 01:44:28,333
Speaker 28: else they're experienced in life.

2109
01:44:28,853 --> 01:44:29,612
Speaker 15: I think it's a good thing.

2110
01:44:29,853 --> 01:44:31,412
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much for your court many. It

2111
01:44:31,452 --> 01:44:33,492
Speaker 2: is a more interesting thing that they do say that

2112
01:44:33,853 --> 01:44:39,532
Speaker 2: an excessive testosterone, which makes you more manly, actually brings

2113
01:44:39,572 --> 01:44:42,492
Speaker 2: about male patent baldness. So you often see a bald

2114
01:44:42,492 --> 01:44:46,452
Speaker 2: guy that's super hairy, So you'd think that we would

2115
01:44:46,452 --> 01:44:50,213
Speaker 2: evolve to think that being bored was better because it

2116
01:44:50,293 --> 01:44:53,852
Speaker 2: indicates higher testosterone. But then you look, so you look

2117
01:44:53,853 --> 01:44:55,452
Speaker 2: at someone with a full head of hair like you,

2118
01:44:55,572 --> 01:44:59,012
Speaker 2: Tyler and beautiful, that means that you're low testosterone. You've

2119
01:44:59,013 --> 01:45:00,133
Speaker 2: got estrogen here.

2120
01:45:00,293 --> 01:45:02,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's same with you as well, mate. That's what

2121
01:45:02,253 --> 01:45:05,132
Speaker 3: a qu A flock of seagulls you've got eight hundred

2122
01:45:05,333 --> 01:45:06,852
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is another of the.

2123
01:45:06,893 --> 01:45:09,253
Speaker 2: Call Scott, welcome to the show. You've been bored for

2124
01:45:09,293 --> 01:45:10,492
Speaker 2: a while and you're loving it.

2125
01:45:11,973 --> 01:45:14,452
Speaker 25: Mate, I've been going board. It's hereditary. I can go

2126
01:45:14,532 --> 01:45:19,532
Speaker 25: back three or four generations and it's everyone's They're all

2127
01:45:19,532 --> 01:45:21,732
Speaker 25: the same with my dad and my granddad and all

2128
01:45:21,772 --> 01:45:24,572
Speaker 25: the way through. And I tried to fight it when

2129
01:45:24,612 --> 01:45:28,692
Speaker 25: I was young, and I got to the point where, mate,

2130
01:45:29,253 --> 01:45:30,732
Speaker 25: I'm going to go bored, I might as well go

2131
01:45:30,772 --> 01:45:34,892
Speaker 25: bored disgracefully, and I just clip it. It's a zero

2132
01:45:35,053 --> 01:45:38,933
Speaker 25: cut summer and winter, and it feels like a tennis.

2133
01:45:38,612 --> 01:45:40,412
Speaker 6: Ball and I love it.

2134
01:45:40,933 --> 01:45:43,452
Speaker 2: You love it? Yeah, I mean once you decide to

2135
01:45:43,492 --> 01:45:45,253
Speaker 2: just get rid of it all, it's kind of a

2136
01:45:45,253 --> 01:45:49,612
Speaker 2: superhero situation, isn't it, Because you know you don't have

2137
01:45:49,652 --> 01:45:52,253
Speaker 2: to worry about winning your head in the shower. You know,

2138
01:45:52,333 --> 01:45:54,892
Speaker 2: if you're going for a run, some physical activity, your

2139
01:45:54,933 --> 01:45:56,012
Speaker 2: head's not getting as hot.

2140
01:45:56,933 --> 01:46:00,173
Speaker 25: All the money I saved on hair products, and you

2141
01:46:00,173 --> 01:46:03,253
Speaker 25: know it costs me what one hundred and thirty bucks

2142
01:46:03,293 --> 01:46:06,732
Speaker 25: for a new clipper every twelve months or so, So

2143
01:46:06,893 --> 01:46:09,452
Speaker 25: you know you divide that out for your hair. It's

2144
01:46:09,492 --> 01:46:10,452
Speaker 25: a pretty cheap haircut.

2145
01:46:10,492 --> 01:46:12,932
Speaker 3: What about your sunscreen budget? Though? That must have offset

2146
01:46:12,973 --> 01:46:14,372
Speaker 3: that a little bit. You've got to stuck up on

2147
01:46:14,412 --> 01:46:14,892
Speaker 3: the sun stear.

2148
01:46:16,093 --> 01:46:16,933
Speaker 6: People will hate me.

2149
01:46:17,013 --> 01:46:18,653
Speaker 25: I don't wear sunscreen.

2150
01:46:18,772 --> 01:46:21,692
Speaker 15: I wear baseball caps.

2151
01:46:21,732 --> 01:46:23,253
Speaker 25: But I yeah, I know I'm pretty bad at not

2152
01:46:23,293 --> 01:46:27,692
Speaker 25: wearing sunscreen, to be fair. But you know, they say

2153
01:46:27,732 --> 01:46:30,532
Speaker 25: one thing is that apparently God only made so many

2154
01:46:30,532 --> 01:46:32,532
Speaker 25: perfect heads and the rest he covered with hair.

2155
01:46:34,173 --> 01:46:35,092
Speaker 3: I like that, Scott.

2156
01:46:35,173 --> 01:46:39,213
Speaker 2: So are you saying, Scott that you've got a shapely skull?

2157
01:46:41,412 --> 01:46:43,452
Speaker 25: I have a very song that I would think I

2158
01:46:43,492 --> 01:46:45,812
Speaker 25: had one the similar to a current prime minister.

2159
01:46:45,893 --> 01:46:48,452
Speaker 2: Actually, oh yeah. So it sort of round us because

2160
01:46:48,692 --> 01:46:50,333
Speaker 2: there can be people. I've had friends that have gone

2161
01:46:50,372 --> 01:46:52,452
Speaker 2: bored and they've sort of had an alien head that

2162
01:46:52,492 --> 01:46:54,572
Speaker 2: sticks out quite a long way out the back and

2163
01:46:54,893 --> 01:46:56,253
Speaker 2: that can be a little bit problematic.

2164
01:46:57,253 --> 01:46:58,812
Speaker 6: No, I would think of bowling ball.

2165
01:46:58,812 --> 01:47:00,532
Speaker 25: You could probably a couple of holes in there and

2166
01:47:00,732 --> 01:47:01,412
Speaker 25: she would be right.

2167
01:47:01,572 --> 01:47:04,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, shape ly. Now, genuine questions, Scott, do you ever

2168
01:47:04,652 --> 01:47:06,173
Speaker 3: give yourself a bit of a treat go down to

2169
01:47:06,173 --> 01:47:08,972
Speaker 3: the barber and get the straight razor cut across across

2170
01:47:09,013 --> 01:47:10,452
Speaker 3: the head?

2171
01:47:10,973 --> 01:47:11,692
Speaker 6: I haven't.

2172
01:47:12,133 --> 01:47:15,572
Speaker 25: It is something that I would like to do, but no.

2173
01:47:15,652 --> 01:47:16,612
Speaker 14: I haven't done it yet.

2174
01:47:16,812 --> 01:47:18,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, Scott, you're a good time.

2175
01:47:18,732 --> 01:47:20,052
Speaker 6: I tried to shave your head with a blade.

2176
01:47:20,053 --> 01:47:22,453
Speaker 25: I capped myself and the wife wasn't very impressive.

2177
01:47:23,293 --> 01:47:25,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Scott, you're a good man and you're waving

2178
01:47:25,772 --> 01:47:27,772
Speaker 3: the bald flag high. Thank you very much.

2179
01:47:27,812 --> 01:47:28,212
Speaker 4: Mate.

2180
01:47:28,853 --> 01:47:31,812
Speaker 2: Well there you go. See if Scott's fine, he sees

2181
01:47:31,812 --> 01:47:35,092
Speaker 2: it as a positive. So why are we so worried

2182
01:47:35,093 --> 01:47:37,293
Speaker 2: about going bored? Why did I spend my twenties worrying

2183
01:47:37,293 --> 01:47:39,173
Speaker 2: about going baled and then I never did? What is

2184
01:47:39,213 --> 01:47:40,333
Speaker 2: wrong with us? What does it matter?

2185
01:47:40,452 --> 01:47:43,293
Speaker 3: Well that was from Scott's own perspective, to be fair,

2186
01:47:43,293 --> 01:47:45,613
Speaker 3: and he was a good man. But let's hear from Sue,

2187
01:47:46,333 --> 01:47:49,053
Speaker 3: soeen is being bored beautiful?

2188
01:47:50,853 --> 01:47:51,213
Speaker 11: Well?

2189
01:47:51,293 --> 01:47:51,812
Speaker 15: I reckurn.

2190
01:47:51,973 --> 01:47:54,973
Speaker 11: So I met my husband when he was seventeen and

2191
01:47:55,013 --> 01:47:57,812
Speaker 11: his hairline was looming back even back then, and that

2192
01:47:57,933 --> 01:48:00,133
Speaker 11: was in the eighties. Now, I used to have a

2193
01:48:00,213 --> 01:48:06,173
Speaker 11: bullet with a receding hereline, nicety, And then when we

2194
01:48:06,253 --> 01:48:09,013
Speaker 11: got married at twenty two, he got rid of the

2195
01:48:09,372 --> 01:48:12,253
Speaker 11: mullet and started to just clip a cup and then

2196
01:48:12,293 --> 01:48:15,453
Speaker 11: it became really obviously he was almost like aerial advertising

2197
01:48:15,452 --> 01:48:18,652
Speaker 11: to McDonald's. So we're like, yeah, no, that's going to go.

2198
01:48:19,293 --> 01:48:23,213
Speaker 11: So he decided to just shave it all off. And

2199
01:48:23,293 --> 01:48:27,053
Speaker 11: he's fifty five now and we shaves his head a

2200
01:48:27,093 --> 01:48:29,372
Speaker 11: couple of times a week. And when he did shave

2201
01:48:29,412 --> 01:48:30,973
Speaker 11: his headone was like, oh my god, you.

2202
01:48:30,973 --> 01:48:31,932
Speaker 27: Looks so much better.

2203
01:48:32,772 --> 01:48:37,572
Speaker 11: So he's been bald, you know, for years, and would

2204
01:48:37,572 --> 01:48:40,293
Speaker 11: never even entertain the idea of growing as ear back.

2205
01:48:40,692 --> 01:48:42,452
Speaker 2: Is he herey and the rest of his body if

2206
01:48:42,452 --> 01:48:43,932
Speaker 2: you don't mind me asking, No.

2207
01:48:44,452 --> 01:48:46,572
Speaker 11: No, he's got a bit of chest here, but no,

2208
01:48:46,812 --> 01:48:47,692
Speaker 11: not herey at all.

2209
01:48:47,933 --> 01:48:51,412
Speaker 2: No, because with the bald man, they'll have a lot

2210
01:48:51,452 --> 01:48:55,572
Speaker 2: lot of here and other parts of their body. So

2211
01:48:55,692 --> 01:48:59,252
Speaker 2: what is it that people don't do the captain steubing anymore?

2212
01:48:59,612 --> 01:49:01,892
Speaker 2: The Larry David When did that stop happening?

2213
01:49:02,532 --> 01:49:02,852
Speaker 5: You don't.

2214
01:49:03,173 --> 01:49:06,892
Speaker 2: You don't see just the sort of the band around

2215
01:49:06,933 --> 01:49:11,652
Speaker 2: the back, isn't isn't it the George de Stanza.

2216
01:49:11,812 --> 01:49:15,253
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, No, it's just not a good look. Is

2217
01:49:15,293 --> 01:49:17,452
Speaker 15: it just not a good look?

2218
01:49:17,893 --> 01:49:21,452
Speaker 11: And I mean, I mean, you know, my husband often

2219
01:49:21,492 --> 01:49:23,173
Speaker 11: says that, you know he's going to go out of

2220
01:49:23,213 --> 01:49:24,692
Speaker 11: the world be does he look in the same way

2221
01:49:24,732 --> 01:49:25,612
Speaker 11: he came into the world.

2222
01:49:25,652 --> 01:49:29,613
Speaker 2: So he's just a big, beautiful baby.

2223
01:49:30,492 --> 01:49:32,732
Speaker 11: Yeah, and he looks so much better bald. And now

2224
01:49:32,853 --> 01:49:34,532
Speaker 11: over the years he's got to TN on his head.

2225
01:49:34,572 --> 01:49:36,412
Speaker 11: Doesn't look that great when you first do it, but

2226
01:49:36,973 --> 01:49:39,372
Speaker 11: you know, he's he looks really good. And now he's

2227
01:49:39,412 --> 01:49:41,652
Speaker 11: just got a bit of a facial beard and yeah,

2228
01:49:42,333 --> 01:49:43,852
Speaker 11: he looks pretty fifty five.

2229
01:49:44,213 --> 01:49:47,012
Speaker 2: There you go, Sue, and listen to that men out there.

2230
01:49:47,372 --> 01:49:50,692
Speaker 2: It's fine going bald and it all off as wicked

2231
01:49:50,893 --> 01:49:53,253
Speaker 2: as this. Texas said, being a bald man is like

2232
01:49:53,333 --> 01:49:55,452
Speaker 2: being a superhero, except instead of a cape, you've got

2233
01:49:55,452 --> 01:49:58,612
Speaker 2: a scalp that reflects sunlight like a disco ball. Is

2234
01:49:58,612 --> 01:50:01,852
Speaker 2: it sexy? Absolutely? Baldness is nature's way of saying you've

2235
01:50:01,853 --> 01:50:05,173
Speaker 2: evolved past the need for here you're too powerful, You're

2236
01:50:05,253 --> 01:50:10,653
Speaker 2: Jason Stathan the Rock, mister clean ball and sparkling with confidence.

2237
01:50:10,893 --> 01:50:11,932
Speaker 2: There you go, that's from Luca.

2238
01:50:12,053 --> 01:50:13,253
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm astally written.

2239
01:50:13,412 --> 01:50:15,493
Speaker 2: Well, I just read the bit at the end. I'll

2240
01:50:15,492 --> 01:50:17,133
Speaker 2: skip the bit at the end where Lucas said I

2241
01:50:17,173 --> 01:50:20,772
Speaker 2: think not actually and that actually meant all the opposite

2242
01:50:20,772 --> 01:50:21,013
Speaker 2: of that.

2243
01:50:21,133 --> 01:50:22,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, you had us there.

2244
01:50:22,093 --> 01:50:23,852
Speaker 2: I've got a lot of power in reading out the

2245
01:50:23,853 --> 01:50:25,892
Speaker 2: text if I sense it. That last bit it was

2246
01:50:25,893 --> 01:50:27,932
Speaker 2: the most positive pro ball text of all time.

2247
01:50:28,053 --> 01:50:30,052
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

2248
01:50:30,053 --> 01:50:32,333
Speaker 3: to call, Jimmy? How are you?

2249
01:50:32,732 --> 01:50:33,293
Speaker 16: How are you?

2250
01:50:33,452 --> 01:50:34,733
Speaker 19: Tyler? Maddy?

2251
01:50:35,372 --> 01:50:38,452
Speaker 12: From you, Jimmy, I'll tell you what said.

2252
01:50:38,612 --> 01:50:40,653
Speaker 19: You've got a wayward words. Amazing.

2253
01:50:41,013 --> 01:50:44,253
Speaker 12: But one of the first ball buggers I the saw

2254
01:50:44,372 --> 01:50:49,213
Speaker 12: was hil Brynner Ah from the sixteen yep West World.

2255
01:50:49,253 --> 01:50:50,852
Speaker 2: I Love I Love him in West Wild. What a

2256
01:50:50,893 --> 01:50:51,652
Speaker 2: great movie that was.

2257
01:50:51,973 --> 01:50:54,973
Speaker 12: Oh mate, Yeah, I've seen a cub his movies. But

2258
01:50:55,093 --> 01:50:59,133
Speaker 12: I tell you the man that stands out definitely the Rock.

2259
01:50:59,372 --> 01:51:02,932
Speaker 12: I mean, he's a handsome, big dude at six forty

2260
01:51:03,053 --> 01:51:06,812
Speaker 12: five or sick, mate. But I'm still sticking with my

2261
01:51:07,053 --> 01:51:10,012
Speaker 12: beautiful silver here you mate, But I got to give

2262
01:51:10,053 --> 01:51:14,333
Speaker 12: them credit mate, the and Jason's statement, you're right, mate,

2263
01:51:14,452 --> 01:51:15,213
Speaker 12: he's up there.

2264
01:51:15,253 --> 01:51:16,492
Speaker 7: He's a midship buddy.

2265
01:51:17,013 --> 01:51:17,812
Speaker 6: He's all good.

2266
01:51:18,973 --> 01:51:20,812
Speaker 2: I'll go to any Jason State the movie. I know

2267
01:51:20,893 --> 01:51:22,253
Speaker 2: they're pretty much the same movie.

2268
01:51:22,093 --> 01:51:23,852
Speaker 3: This he went out for the Workingman brother.

2269
01:51:24,173 --> 01:51:26,652
Speaker 2: The working Man is Jason State. Them is Jason Statham

2270
01:51:26,652 --> 01:51:28,732
Speaker 2: and a Jason Stathan movie. But they're still good. Oh

2271
01:51:28,812 --> 01:51:31,213
Speaker 2: you're going to be not snow white off number one,

2272
01:51:31,412 --> 01:51:32,932
Speaker 2: Not snow white off number one in the States.

2273
01:51:34,293 --> 01:51:38,452
Speaker 12: Tell you with a maddie, you know what he was

2274
01:51:38,532 --> 01:51:41,292
Speaker 12: a gymnast, Yeah, fantas yeah, mate.

2275
01:51:41,532 --> 01:51:44,173
Speaker 2: Jason Stathan, he was. He was a Commonwealth diver. Yeah,

2276
01:51:44,293 --> 01:51:46,972
Speaker 2: back in the day. Yeah he Jimmie, you say you've

2277
01:51:47,013 --> 01:51:50,492
Speaker 2: got Jimmy, you say you've got the the gray here

2278
01:51:50,692 --> 01:51:53,293
Speaker 2: so silver here is. Are you receiving it all or

2279
01:51:53,412 --> 01:51:55,052
Speaker 2: you got a little of a patch at the bankers

2280
01:51:55,053 --> 01:51:55,293
Speaker 2: at all?

2281
01:51:55,333 --> 01:51:55,492
Speaker 18: Good?

2282
01:51:55,772 --> 01:51:58,692
Speaker 12: I know I'm coming up seventy one in about a

2283
01:51:58,812 --> 01:52:01,973
Speaker 12: month's time, but I tell you from my heart, I

2284
01:52:02,133 --> 01:52:04,293
Speaker 12: love what I've got. But I see a lot of

2285
01:52:04,492 --> 01:52:09,132
Speaker 12: bull burggers and good, make no disrespect, but Jimmy preud

2286
01:52:09,173 --> 01:52:11,572
Speaker 12: and what I got, and no bugger's gonna take it.

2287
01:52:12,853 --> 01:52:15,012
Speaker 2: Yeah, No one's going to steal Jimmy's here exactly.

2288
01:52:15,173 --> 01:52:16,973
Speaker 3: Check it on their board here he's on to you.

2289
01:52:17,333 --> 01:52:20,492
Speaker 2: What's that song that mentions your Brenner. It's gonna go

2290
01:52:20,572 --> 01:52:22,293
Speaker 2: through my head till I work it out. Someone will know.

2291
01:52:22,692 --> 01:52:24,972
Speaker 2: Oh it's got everything.

2292
01:52:25,572 --> 01:52:28,333
Speaker 3: Oh oh god, oh god. I'll come back with that.

2293
01:52:28,812 --> 01:52:29,532
Speaker 2: I'll work it out.

2294
01:52:29,933 --> 01:52:32,372
Speaker 3: He certainly was. I mean, that is the definition of

2295
01:52:32,412 --> 01:52:35,572
Speaker 3: a chrome dime, isn't it. There wasn't much here on

2296
01:52:35,652 --> 01:52:37,333
Speaker 3: the guys here did he shave his eyebrows as well?

2297
01:52:37,412 --> 01:52:39,932
Speaker 3: Notice to it the eyebrows. Oh, eight hundred eighty, ten

2298
01:52:40,013 --> 01:52:43,132
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. I'm gonna play some messages,

2299
01:52:43,133 --> 01:52:44,692
Speaker 3: but we'll come back with more of your calls.

2300
01:52:44,692 --> 01:52:46,452
Speaker 4: It is ten to four.

2301
01:52:48,372 --> 01:52:51,732
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

2302
01:52:52,093 --> 01:52:56,092
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons.

2303
01:52:55,692 --> 01:52:58,133
Speaker 6: Used dogs EDB on news dog z edb.

2304
01:52:58,772 --> 01:53:00,692
Speaker 3: Good afternoon, It is seven to four.

2305
01:53:00,772 --> 01:53:02,452
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I love. The text machine it

2306
01:53:02,532 --> 01:53:05,293
Speaker 2: news tog zby. It's the oracle of information. On song

2307
01:53:05,372 --> 01:53:08,772
Speaker 2: I was looking for was, of course one night in Hankock,

2308
01:53:08,973 --> 01:53:11,852
Speaker 2: I Murray heard from Chess, Bangkok, oriandal City and the

2309
01:53:11,893 --> 01:53:13,852
Speaker 2: city don't know what the city is getting the krem

2310
01:53:13,893 --> 01:53:15,852
Speaker 2: de la creme of the chess world in a show

2311
01:53:15,973 --> 01:53:18,173
Speaker 2: with everything, but you'll, Branner, that's what I was looking

2312
01:53:18,173 --> 01:53:18,333
Speaker 2: at for.

2313
01:53:18,492 --> 01:53:19,333
Speaker 3: I love looking out for that.

2314
01:53:20,253 --> 01:53:23,213
Speaker 2: Thank you, Terry Savellis. Yeah, he was a good looking

2315
01:53:23,253 --> 01:53:24,253
Speaker 2: bald man, that's for sure.

2316
01:53:24,772 --> 01:53:28,012
Speaker 3: Uh Triva, you reckon boll is beautiful?

2317
01:53:29,093 --> 01:53:32,452
Speaker 22: Yeah. Well I had five more brothers and the six

2318
01:53:32,532 --> 01:53:35,092
Speaker 22: of us is five the boll My father was bulled.

2319
01:53:35,893 --> 01:53:37,932
Speaker 2: You are you baled? Triva?

2320
01:53:39,013 --> 01:53:41,173
Speaker 22: Yeah, I only got here on the.

2321
01:53:44,893 --> 01:53:45,093
Speaker 4: Yep.

2322
01:53:45,173 --> 01:53:46,972
Speaker 3: And how did you do with the opposite six? Triva?

2323
01:53:47,013 --> 01:53:47,452
Speaker 3: Pretty good?

2324
01:53:48,652 --> 01:53:50,173
Speaker 22: Well I've got nine sisters as well.

2325
01:53:50,532 --> 01:53:52,093
Speaker 2: Right, so you want to go with you?

2326
01:53:53,532 --> 01:53:53,692
Speaker 10: Yeah?

2327
01:53:53,772 --> 01:53:53,972
Speaker 6: Yeah?

2328
01:53:54,253 --> 01:53:57,213
Speaker 2: And uh, Triva, did you do you have Have you

2329
01:53:57,372 --> 01:53:59,452
Speaker 2: shaved it all off or do you leave the steubings

2330
01:53:59,452 --> 01:54:00,012
Speaker 2: around the side?

2331
01:54:01,133 --> 01:54:05,173
Speaker 22: No, I have it whatever. I've had it shaved off

2332
01:54:05,253 --> 01:54:07,652
Speaker 22: and I've had I've got it round the side now.

2333
01:54:08,933 --> 01:54:13,052
Speaker 2: As is your brother that's not bald? Does he lord

2334
01:54:13,093 --> 01:54:13,532
Speaker 2: it above you?

2335
01:54:14,812 --> 01:54:14,852
Speaker 5: No?

2336
01:54:15,452 --> 01:54:18,013
Speaker 22: No, he just know where he needs to do it

2337
01:54:18,133 --> 01:54:20,932
Speaker 22: because we've been bull for Oh well, I've been bull

2338
01:54:21,013 --> 01:54:22,452
Speaker 22: for about twenty five years.

2339
01:54:22,652 --> 01:54:24,812
Speaker 2: Sounds like you're proud of your baldness, and I respect that.

2340
01:54:26,013 --> 01:54:29,173
Speaker 22: Yeah, it's what you are. You can't do anything about it.

2341
01:54:29,253 --> 01:54:30,013
Speaker 5: There's no good war.

2342
01:54:30,692 --> 01:54:33,533
Speaker 2: There you go, you are, Yeah, there you go. Vin

2343
01:54:33,613 --> 01:54:38,812
Speaker 2: Diesel very sixty man. Stanley Tuccy, Yep, yeah, he's a

2344
01:54:38,812 --> 01:54:39,453
Speaker 2: good shift as well.

2345
01:54:39,493 --> 01:54:40,133
Speaker 3: It's good cook.

2346
01:54:40,613 --> 01:54:42,533
Speaker 2: Terry Andree. That's a good looking bald man.

2347
01:54:42,653 --> 01:54:42,812
Speaker 10: Yes.

2348
01:54:43,053 --> 01:54:46,852
Speaker 2: Oh, Samuel Jackson, good looking boardman. Daniel Devido, great boardman.

2349
01:54:46,893 --> 01:54:50,012
Speaker 2: Wouldn't necessarily say good looking. Terry Cruz. He's a good

2350
01:54:50,053 --> 01:54:53,093
Speaker 2: looking buff board man. Brooklyn nine nine, great show. Kelly

2351
01:54:53,173 --> 01:54:55,932
Speaker 2: Slater is a good looking bald man. Shaquille O'Neill. That's

2352
01:54:55,973 --> 01:54:59,653
Speaker 2: a great boardman, right there, Dwayne the Rock Johnson, Prince

2353
01:54:59,733 --> 01:55:02,373
Speaker 2: William I don't know, No, probably I think he was

2354
01:55:02,413 --> 01:55:03,293
Speaker 2: one that was better with here.

2355
01:55:03,453 --> 01:55:07,132
Speaker 3: Yeah, Michael Jordan another another very sixty.

2356
01:55:07,453 --> 01:55:07,533
Speaker 5: Ye.

2357
01:55:08,653 --> 01:55:08,772
Speaker 8: Right.

2358
01:55:08,853 --> 01:55:10,812
Speaker 2: So if you think bald people are so succeed then

2359
01:55:10,893 --> 01:55:13,693
Speaker 2: I challenge you to shave and a captain stubing. Look,

2360
01:55:14,093 --> 01:55:16,053
Speaker 2: save the top off and leave a bit around the side,

2361
01:55:16,093 --> 01:55:18,533
Speaker 2: like Larry David, how much are you going to give me? Well,

2362
01:55:18,613 --> 01:55:21,053
Speaker 2: I'm just you know, the courage of your convictions. If

2363
01:55:21,093 --> 01:55:22,373
Speaker 2: you think being bored is so good.

2364
01:55:22,933 --> 01:55:26,012
Speaker 3: I'll wait till I'm receding properly before that song. Yeah,

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01:55:26,213 --> 01:55:28,733
Speaker 3: very good. Hey, thank you very much for today. Really

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Speaker 3: enjoyed the chap. We'll do it all again tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Until then, give them a taste of Kiwi and remember,

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Speaker 2: bald is beautiful.

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Speaker 29: your temples, your massage parlors, to.

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Speaker 10: Despair and next.

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Speaker 3: With your compund.

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