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Speaker 1: for the full picture. Heather Duplicylan Drive with One New

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 3: it turns out that that alleged pawn on the police

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Speaker 3: boss's computer is being investigated now as objectionable material. That's

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Speaker 3: a bit more serious. I'm going to talk to our

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Speaker 3: reporter Jared Savage. Ryan Reynolds football team is coming to

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Speaker 3: play the Phoenix, and we'll also talk to the man

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Speaker 3: that Wayne Brown threw under the bus yesterday. Ken Turner.

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Speaker 4: He's with us, Heather Duplicy, Ellen, Why.

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Speaker 3: Has it taken us so long to get serious about

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Speaker 3: forcing people to pay back their student loans? Eh, last month,

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Speaker 3: IID had someone arrested at the border. They have now

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Speaker 3: paid back their loan. Isn't that amazing? They had been

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Speaker 3: that they had because IID only arrests you at the

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Speaker 3: border as an absolute last resort. But suddenly they are

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Speaker 3: paying back their loan, they pay it back. Isn't it

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Speaker 3: incredible what a little bit of pressure can do. We've

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Speaker 3: got more on this, by the way, IRD has got

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Speaker 3: in contact with more than twelve thousand people who are

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Speaker 3: living overseas who owe money on their student loans. Nine

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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty of them have paid back everything that

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Speaker 3: Eighty nine people have been warned they will also be

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Speaker 3: Eleven of them, as a result of that warning, have

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Speaker 3: or by applying for hardship provisions. Now why I'm telling

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Speaker 3: government threw extra money at IID to chase down these bloodges,

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Speaker 3: and ID has put out a press release with the

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Speaker 3: question we now have is why didn't we do this earlier?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it is not like this is a new problem.

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Speaker 3: Is that we have complain about this for years? Haven't we?

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Speaker 3: About these people free loading on the ever generalist, ever generous,

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Speaker 3: somewhere else, not to us, not helping us out, helping

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Speaker 3: baby in their debt. Now, I suspect our lack of

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Speaker 3: past comes down to a general attitude towards taxpayers, which

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Speaker 3: treated like it's never ending, isn't it? For too long,

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Speaker 3: We say you've got to pay it back, but we

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Speaker 3: something that has been It's not a historic problem, it's

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Speaker 3: They are now due to be repaid about I think

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Speaker 3: much to wish for, But wouldn't it be great if

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Speaker 3: Two is the text number. Standard text fees apply. Now

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Speaker 3: remember how I told you yesterday about those little green

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Speaker 5: Long and the Red District Council. Then you know they're

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Speaker 5: getting rid of the green bin which is saving rackpads

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Speaker 5: You could remove the requirement for that green bin and

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Speaker 3: Now, what I told you yesterday is that it's been

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Speaker 3: Justine has is the general manager of Waste Solutions at

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for joining us. Is that true? Is it

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Speaker 6: That is the current cost from a carbon perspective. But

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Speaker 3: What are the other benefits?

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Speaker 6: So reducing waste to landfill is absolutely critical in terms

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Speaker 3: Why does that ma suggusting because of this is all

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Speaker 6: Well, there's a significant cost to landfills, environmental, economic, the

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Speaker 6: So the other benefits are repurposing organic waste, so we

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Speaker 6: things like energy fertilizers, so it's beneficial in terms of

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, okay, so per carbon ton saved, you're paying

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So that's why it's must leading to just focus

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Speaker 6: on the carbon impact. As I say, there's multiple other

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Speaker 7: It's also really.

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Speaker 6: Important to note that we are looking to grow participation

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Speaker 6: based on our current participation, but we are very interested

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Speaker 3: Okay, I see, So the more of us doing it,

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Speaker 3: the more it will reduce if the numbers. But here's

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Speaker 3: the problem with it, right, You're not going to be

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Speaker 6: That's true. But again there's multiple benefits to the service

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Speaker 6: and it's part of our integrated service and Justine.

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Speaker 3: Heck, if every single Aucklander did it, it's still going

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Speaker 6: So yes, there's still a cost to the service.

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Speaker 3: This doesn't look like a good idea, like for a

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Speaker 6: So there's a reason why it's a region wide service.

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Speaker 6: And again we are trying to support Aucklanders to participate

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Speaker 6: so that we can achieve the overall benefits of the service. Okay,

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Speaker 6: so carbon reduction is one of those benefits.

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Speaker 3: How much is this costing me? Me, like as in

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Speaker 6: The cost is just over seventy dollars and as part

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Speaker 3: Okay. Now the government, I know the Labor government made

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Speaker 3: Why don't you opt out of it to save money

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Speaker 6: So the decision to proceed with a food script service

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Speaker 6: So there's been a lot of public consultation on this

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Speaker 6: The service would require a decision to exit the service

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean when you say cost, you're obviously not

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Speaker 6: I know, the implications of withdrawing the service, Justine, of

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Speaker 3: Darcy water Grave sports talk hosters with me right now.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Darcy, I'm really impressed by your choice of CAx.

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Speaker 3: By the way, would you like to would you like

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Speaker 2: You're wearing Nikemax nineties and they're a piece of work.

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Speaker 2: They're beautiful white gray with a gum sole. Im I

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Speaker 2: In the day, are thirty nine. No, what's the American sizing?

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Speaker 3: Oh, let me have a look eight point five.

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Speaker 2: No, I can't take them back in the old days.

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Speaker 2: But when you're young punkers and you had Doc Martin's,

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Speaker 3: Wow, I mixed.

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Speaker 2: In interesting circles.

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Speaker 3: That's intense. Hey, can we talk about this because I

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Speaker 3: Emax nineties of my Posh present to myself. They ain't

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Speaker 3: and so I wanted some, so I bought them. But

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Speaker 3: they are gray, aren't they? They're gray and white.

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Speaker 2: Well it's a kind of gray and white with a

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Speaker 3: How boring is that for color? Can I explain this

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Speaker 3: I typed and I said the Color Rangers you can

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Speaker 3: So then I was like, oh well, that's disappointing. I

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Speaker 3: Oh no again America. And what I came to realize

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Speaker 2: Try going to the States and going to the outlet

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Speaker 2: stores and you'll find all sorts of Yeah, well this

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Speaker 2: is the problem. I did the same thing, and there's

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Speaker 2: so many sits out there, but I've sworn off sneakers.

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Speaker 2: Now I've got far too many pairs of Nike sneakers.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to have a couple and a lie down.

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Speaker 2: It's like crack to me, So no more.

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Speaker 3: What does it say about how pover we are as

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Speaker 2: There are some other good ones out there if you look.

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Speaker 2: The better ones are all online. This is sport right,

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Speaker 2: because like their they're sandshoes, they're plum soules, plays sport

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Speaker 4: That sedulity.

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Speaker 12: Just met.

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Speaker 3: Has done a speech today, a pre budget speech where

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Speaker 3: So I hope personally that the Finance Minister and Treasury

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on youth talks, they'd drive, Hey,

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Speaker 3: Some good news for you. The woman that this show

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Speaker 3: Israeli American hostage e Dan Alexander has been released by Hamas.

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Speaker 4: Done and with God's will.

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Speaker 3: Hamas is still holding fifty eight people captive and finally

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Speaker 1: In international correspondence with ends and eye Insurance Peace of

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Speaker 1: Mind for New Zealand business, Murray.

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Speaker 15: Mars made, I know she really enjoyed your endorsement, Susan

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Speaker 15: What we do. And look, I found out a bit

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Speaker 15: Oh what a dream team?

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Speaker 16: Sorry?

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Speaker 1: What why?

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Speaker 15: They've got the first female leader and that's going to

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Speaker 15: go over like a lead balloon of the hard right

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Speaker 15: sort of corner of dark of late night sky television

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Speaker 15: as well. But having said all of that, she is

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Speaker 15: very experienced pair of hands and it's going to take

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Speaker 15: have look what Julia Gillard did in minority government. I

447
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Speaker 15: don't know what it is. When you know it all

448
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Speaker 15: goes to tripe. Australian politics turns to women. You saw

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Speaker 15: it in Joan Kerner in Victoria. That was a basket case.

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Speaker 15: You saw it in w WA twice. Now we've seen

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Speaker 15: it with Gillard and of course now we see it

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Speaker 15: with Susan Lee. And she's got a mountain to climb.

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Speaker 15: Ninety plus ninety two or three seats for labor in

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Speaker 15: the Lower House. They're just over forty for the other side.

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Speaker 15: So she's got a very big job, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Now the Bondei junction stabber, the psychiatrist has testified.

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Speaker 15: What have they said, Well, basically, this was a woman

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Speaker 15: who treated Coucy Joel Couchy for eight years a psychiatrist

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Speaker 15: in Queensland from twenty twelve to twenty twenty. She treated Couchy.

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Speaker 15: She told the inquest that she began reducing he was

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Speaker 15: on very very very strong antipsychotic medication. He was very

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Speaker 15: very unwell schizophrenia with deluxe schizophrenia, so he was on

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Speaker 15: very strong antipsychotic medication. She began to wind it down

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Speaker 15: after COUCHI was judged well enough to leave the public

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Speaker 15: health system, and that schizophrenia diagnosis was also reduced from

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Speaker 15: chronic to what they call first episode, and that was

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Speaker 15: within the first year this woman began to treat him.

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Speaker 15: So she said he was on the path to whatever

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Speaker 15: recovery looks like from schizophrenics. I have no idea, but

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Speaker 15: she's a psychiatrist and she judged him sufficiently well to

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Speaker 15: go on that path. And she also told the inquest

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Speaker 15: howther this guy killed six people, stabbed ten others. But

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Speaker 15: she said she never saw any signs of any problems

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Speaker 15: or relapse or safety issues in the eight years that

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Speaker 15: she was treating him. So this was a guy wanting

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Speaker 15: to explode when he went off as medication. We've already

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Speaker 15: heard that at this inquest.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen on your players, your cricket players. Do they

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Speaker 3: want to come home?

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Speaker 15: Well, a lot of them are home. I don't think

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Speaker 15: I don't think there's any left in India right now.

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Speaker 15: The IPL they all hopped on planes and came home.

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Speaker 15: So to the Australian players over in Pakistan, the Pakistan,

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Speaker 15: I forget what that's called over there now, the Pakistan

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Speaker 15: whatever it's called, the Limited Overs Super League super thank

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Speaker 15: you very much. You're not of cricketers far superior of mine.

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Speaker 15: Suffice to say, all the Ausies are high tailed out

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Speaker 15: of there because of the you know, the obviously accelerating

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Speaker 15: tensions between India and Pakistan. Anyway, Cricket Australia says, is

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Speaker 15: backing players decisions over whether or not they'll returned if

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Speaker 15: they don't want to go back. Don't forget a lot

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Speaker 15: of these players, and not frontline test players, they are

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Speaker 15: looking to play in the IPL and the Pakistan Big

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Speaker 15: Bash because of the big paydays they get. And don't

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Speaker 15: forget as well, this time next month just about they're

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Speaker 15: going to be in London to take on South Africa

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Speaker 15: in the World Test Championship that those two countries will contest.

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Speaker 15: Don't forget. New Zealand won that first time out by

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Speaker 15: beating India, so it's it's up in the air very quickly.

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Speaker 15: In Rugby News, Joseph Swartli very bad concussion last week.

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Speaker 15: He's out for at least a couple of weeks, but

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Speaker 15: he will be back in time for the Wallaby selection

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Speaker 15: process with the Lions. And good news too for fans

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Speaker 15: of Noah Lolla Coo. Clear of a neck fracture, Thank goodness.

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Speaker 15: Not sure when he's going to be back. Don't forget

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Speaker 15: he's the number one, he's the incumbent Test number ten,

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Speaker 15: so not sure when he's back either. The Lions tour

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Speaker 15: begins in June, late June over here. And Pete Samo too,

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Speaker 15: who played two years with my team, the Crusaders. He

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Speaker 15: assigned for the Tars next year. Back from Europe and

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Speaker 15: available for selection, and apparently he's playing the house down.

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Speaker 15: So let's look out, clap the hands at the Wallabyes

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Speaker 15: do all right.

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Speaker 3: We'll do, Murray, thank you very much. Appreciated Murray Old's

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Speaker 3: Ossie corresponding herether, thank you. I've also been wondering why

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Speaker 3: so many double barreled names in league. I was literally

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Speaker 3: asking that after listening to the sports news. Well, Cliff,

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Speaker 3: have I got some theories for you? Hither I understand

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Speaker 3: at least some of the double surnames in the NRL

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Speaker 3: are to represent their mixed heritage, which I quite like. Hither,

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Speaker 3: I suspect it's got something to do with strong Wahiin

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Speaker 3: and Maori as in, like the mums are strong, and

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Speaker 3: so they insist that their names are in there, which

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Speaker 3: also I like. Hither it's Bogan fashion, like all of

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Speaker 3: the girls being called chardonnay, thank you. Politics next quarter.

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Speaker 1: To Politics was centric credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments Serta Dey.

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Speaker 3: Jason Wall's political edit is with us A Jason, Good afternoon, Heather. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so they're having a crack at each other over pay

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Speaker 3: equity again, are they indeed?

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Speaker 12: I mean, and I'm sorry if you're sick of this story,

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Speaker 12: but it does keep it does have the legs to

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Speaker 12: keep going because the NATS firmly went on the attack today.

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Speaker 12: They very much changed tack in ten in terms of

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Speaker 12: what was last week. It was very much the explaining

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Speaker 12: is losing and they saw what was going on and

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Speaker 12: they decided to they decided to go through a different direction.

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Speaker 12: Now it kind of all hinges on a lot of

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Speaker 12: what the opposition has been saying. But this video from

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Speaker 12: Chris Hepkins of Labor Leader is sort of the mean

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Speaker 12: thrust of what happened today. Have a listen.

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Speaker 9: Did you see that Christopher Luxen is now taking money

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Speaker 9: out of women's pay packets? Last week National Force through

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Speaker 9: a law change that will stop thousands of women from

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Speaker 9: getting the pay they deserve.

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Speaker 12: So it's that taking women. It's taking money rather out

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Speaker 12: of women's pay packets. That has really got the NATS

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Speaker 12: fired up. Started this morning with Chris Bishop who actually

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Speaker 12: went as far as using the dreaded L word.

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Speaker 3: The Labor Party is lying and they spent much of

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Speaker 3: the last week lying about National's approach to pay equity.

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Speaker 12: Then that Chris Luxton had a go.

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Speaker 17: Look, I just think it's a terrible shame that Labour's

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Speaker 17: resorting to lies and misinformation.

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Speaker 12: Frankly, and at this point you're probably sensing a bit

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Speaker 12: of a theme here. It was Nikola Willis Leader in

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Speaker 12: the morning.

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Speaker 14: It is one thing to claim that there is a

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Speaker 14: debate to be had about the process by which pay

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Speaker 14: equity regimes are negotiated and settled. It is another thing

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Speaker 14: to tell an outright lie to New Zealand workers that

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Speaker 14: women's pay is being cut. That is a lie.

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Speaker 12: So it was lie, lie, Lie, the entire day until

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Speaker 12: it got to the house because you're not technically allowed

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Speaker 12: to use the L word in the house. So I

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Speaker 12: think you know this tactic here the Gnats do. It

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Speaker 12: seems it feels like the dial has shifted somewhat on

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Speaker 12: this story here. So we put this to Chris Hipkins

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Speaker 12: this morning and he completely dug in his heels.

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Speaker 9: The bet money was otherwise going to be going into

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Speaker 9: women's paypacker. It's taking it away. It means you're taking

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Speaker 9: it away.

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Speaker 16: Can you see how some interpret that comment as sudding

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Speaker 16: that Chris Wat's in the taken money of the current paypackers.

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Speaker 9: Taking money away that women were otherwise going to get.

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Speaker 12: Is a cut and you can see why the Gnats

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Speaker 12: are pushing back on this one. I mean, it is

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Speaker 12: quite a leap by Chris Hipkins and he's making quite

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Speaker 12: a lot of assumptions to get there. And it does feel,

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Speaker 12: as I said, like the government has started to take

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Speaker 12: control back over this issue.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough. Now what do you make of this

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Speaker 3: business when Nikola Willis is barring the union and the

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Speaker 3: CTU and the Taxpayers Union in the New Zealand Initiative

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Speaker 3: in Business New Zealand from the lock up.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, it's a funny one, and frankly, I'm not actually

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Speaker 12: that surprised. We saw a similar thing happening at the

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Speaker 12: the half year Fiscal and Economic Yeah, hypo, Yeah, it happened,

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Speaker 12: and they barred the CTU and they barred the Taxpayers

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Speaker 12: Union from coming in. At the time, the Treasury said

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Speaker 12: that the purpose of these briefings was to provide journalists

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Speaker 12: and analysts from the media, economic and financial organizations with

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Speaker 12: sufficient time so that complex information presented can be analyzed

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Speaker 12: and reported accurately. When the embargo list lifts, assisting in

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Speaker 12: the transparency and accountability of the public, And it seems

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Speaker 12: like she's carrying that one over when it comes to

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Speaker 12: the actual budget itself. And you do look at this

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Speaker 12: and you're like, the unions, does the taxpayers Unions really

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Speaker 12: need to be there at the same.

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Speaker 3: Time as us? Of course, you think so, yep, okay,

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Speaker 3: because do you think that you understand financial finances better

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Speaker 3: than Eric Crampton from the New Zealand Initiative.

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Speaker 12: Well, well, that's not really what I would use the

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Speaker 12: budget lock up for. If I really want to get

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Speaker 12: into the weeds of some of the more curly financial questions.

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Speaker 12: I can come to them afterwards. That lock up period

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Speaker 12: for me is a period where about.

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Speaker 3: What Jason wants is it. It's about what's the what's

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Speaker 3: in the best interests of the country. And surely, I

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Speaker 3: mean the point of the lockup is that we all

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Speaker 3: sit there for what is it four hours or thereabouts,

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Speaker 3: and we have really like a quiet time to completely

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Speaker 3: digest everything that's in there and then come out and

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Speaker 3: tell the New Zealand public what's in there. Why would

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Speaker 3: you not want to have a trained economist in there

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Speaker 3: looking at it and saying this is a problem that

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Speaker 3: I can see. Well, they are.

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Speaker 12: Still in there. I mean that's the point that I

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Speaker 12: admit you still have economists from A and Z. I

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Speaker 12: mean you still have your brad Olsen's and a few

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Speaker 12: others in there as well, because they do the.

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Speaker 3: Way is brad Olsen in there and not the New

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Speaker 3: Zealand Initiative.

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Speaker 12: Well the Brad Also if you look at the market player,

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Speaker 12: I mean A and Z would be in there, for example,

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Speaker 12: because if there is significant moves to the currency, or

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Speaker 12: if there are significant moves within the budget, which means

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Speaker 12: that there is a significant fallback on various different positions

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Speaker 12: that they've taken. For example, I mean it has the

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Speaker 12: more of an implication of a big bank economist is

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Speaker 12: there rather than a union that I would say, which

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Speaker 12: is just going to look at the information and put

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Speaker 12: out a press service That would be the same as

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Speaker 12: you would be looking at if it was two hours.

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Speaker 3: But what about what about an Eric Crempton for example?

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Speaker 3: I mean Eric Crampton as an I have a lot

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Speaker 3: of regard for this man, which is why I keep

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Speaker 3: using him as an example. He has a completely different

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Speaker 3: interest to a retail bank, right. His interest is policy.

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Speaker 3: Surely we value we get value from having him in.

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Speaker 12: There, absolutely, And that's my point is you could come

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Speaker 12: find somebody like that. Afterwards, you can, at that point

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Speaker 12: in time, what's the information in the budget look at

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Speaker 12: some of the bigger questions to do with the economy.

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Speaker 12: You do not need an economist to tell you to

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Speaker 12: go to the back of the budget and look at

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Speaker 12: how the different forecasts there's a bit of variation. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 12: you know, Heather, I feel like I can do these

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Speaker 12: sorts of things. I've been doing them for about nine years.

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Speaker 12: I know that I've got the likes of times cover

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Speaker 12: who would be able to do them as well. But

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Speaker 12: it's I think that there is a time and a

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Speaker 12: place for these people and you don't necessarily need them

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Speaker 12: in the room.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I you know what, I'm shocked. I'm shocked by

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Speaker 3: what you've just said to me. But I didn't come.

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Speaker 12: Into this with an opinion, but you've drawn it out

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Speaker 12: of me.

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Speaker 3: And I'm shocked by it. And you should take that opinion.

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Speaker 3: It's the rubbish at Jason, thank you appreciate it. Jason

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Speaker 3: Wall's News Talks. W'd be political editor. We'll talk about

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Speaker 3: this later. Seven away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the Mike asking.

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Speaker 17: Breakfast, let's talk aviation CEO of Jetstar and Stepanie Tully,

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Speaker 17: who is this?

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Speaker 18: Can you make money doing what you do?

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Speaker 17: The reason they asked that question as emerates came out

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Speaker 17: the other day and they're making record profits for the

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Speaker 17: third year in a row. Quantas are making huge profits.

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Speaker 17: Is that a model based thing? Or can any airline

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Speaker 17: if they do it right, make money?

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Speaker 15: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You can.

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Speaker 19: I mean Jetster is on track for a record result

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Speaker 19: this year, and I think for us it's harder because

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Speaker 19: the margins are Fenner of low cost carriers. You've got

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Speaker 19: to be really focused on keeping your cost based low.

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Speaker 19: But we also don't offer all the bells and whistles

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Speaker 19: that cost money. So there's proof around the world that

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Speaker 19: both models can be very successful.

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Speaker 17: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 17: Mayley's Real Estate News Talk z B.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Eric Crampton used to be a lecturer at

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Speaker 3: the University of Canterbury. I know, who needs a lecturer?

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Speaker 3: Who needs an economics lecturer? When you have got Jason

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Speaker 3: Walls in there? What does Jason Walls go? Has he

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Speaker 3: got a BA because that's all I've got? Well, I

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Speaker 3: mean I have got a postgrad. But it's still only

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Speaker 3: a BA bugger all, isn't it? So anyway, don't we

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Speaker 3: jug on need a lecturer and economics never mind? Anyway?

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Speaker 3: Which is going to leave that? Actually, by the way,

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Speaker 3: we're speaking to the Taxpayers Union at about ten past five,

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Speaker 3: so shortly because the Finance Minister's done a speech today

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Speaker 3: where she's talked about, you know, just a few pre

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Speaker 3: budget things, and one of the things is that they're

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Speaker 3: going to chuck a hundred million dollars into the Elevate

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Speaker 3: Fund Now the Elevate Fund is the government's fund that

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Speaker 3: is used to throw some cash at startups and so on. Taxpayers.

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Speaker 3: Union doesn't love that. They're going to talk us through

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Speaker 3: that shortly. Also, incidentally, another thing that she's revealed is

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Speaker 3: that we're going to pass a bit of an economic milestone.

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Speaker 3: In three years time, we will have our first ever

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Speaker 3: withdrawal from the super fund. Government doesn't decide when that happens.

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Speaker 3: It's based on economic conditions. By the looks of things,

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Speaker 3: it's come forward a bit, but it was only We're

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Speaker 3: only supposed to do it in twenty thirty three. Now

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Speaker 3: we're doing it in twenty twenty eight. And we will

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Speaker 3: talk about that later on. Actually with Brad Olson after

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Speaker 3: six o'clock news.

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Speaker 1: Is next None, digging through the spith sens to find

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Speaker 1: the real story, soring it's Heather dupis the on drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks. That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Even more details have come to light about the

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Speaker 3: kind of pornographic material that Deputy Police Commissioner Jevin mcskimming

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Speaker 3: allegedly had on his work device. The Herald is reporting

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Speaker 3: an investigation is underway to decide whether the material was objectionable. Now,

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Speaker 3: Jared Savage is The Herald's investigative reporter. Hey, Jared, hi header, Jared,

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Speaker 3: what do you know about the pawn that was allegedly

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Speaker 3: found on his computer?

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Speaker 20: Well, allegedly, And I do stress that allegedly. It's not

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Speaker 20: sort of garden variety pronography. It's what it has deemed well,

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Speaker 20: allegedly objectionable material. Now, objectionable material is subject to interpretation,

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Speaker 20: but it's generally something that's it's governed by the Film,

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Speaker 20: Video and Publications Classifications Act, and it's generally speaking, things

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Speaker 20: that involve you know, sexual violence, horror, cruelty. So we don't,

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Speaker 20: we don't. We know very little about what we're staying

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Speaker 20: on the computer. But that is what the police is

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Speaker 20: looking at at the moment to determine whether this material

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Speaker 20: allegedly found on Mixcliming's computer could be classified as objectionable.

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Speaker 3: Now, having that kind of stuff on your computer allegedly

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Speaker 3: is a crime, isn't it.

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Speaker 20: It is an offense under the Act, and it's it's

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Speaker 20: a sort of offense that the police as well as

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Speaker 20: the Department of Internal Affairs and Customs actually as well

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Speaker 20: investigate quite regularly. So if it is classified as addictionable

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Speaker 20: and there's a big long process where whatever the material

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Speaker 20: sound is being compared to other material, charges could be

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Speaker 20: laid and we could be finding ourselves in the cretcase.

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Speaker 3: Now, will the cops keep on investigating him despite the

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Speaker 3: fact that he's resigned him in that half do? Wouldn't they?

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Speaker 21: Yeah?

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Speaker 20: And the Commissioner, which the Chambers has been quite clear

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Speaker 20: about that, they've been very tightlets the police and Mark Mitchell,

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Speaker 20: the Police Minister. But Chambers was adamant to say the

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Speaker 20: resignation of e Scimming yesterday doesn't stop the investigation. That'll

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Speaker 20: carry on and I guess will have an outcome in

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Speaker 20: due course.

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Speaker 3: They will need to replace him reasonably quickly, I would

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Speaker 3: have thought, because there's just one police Deputy commissioner right

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Speaker 3: now who can legally fill in for Chambers.

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Speaker 20: Right, That's right. So there's there's been keys that the

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Speaker 20: statutory diputies. One was given ex Skimming, the other was Timeyakudda.

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Speaker 20: And should anything happen to the Commissioner or should he

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Speaker 20: himself come under investigation for whatever reason, the status the

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Speaker 20: senior statutory ditty takes over. That wasn't skimming. Now it's

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Speaker 20: time your pudder. So I would expect to see, you know,

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Speaker 20: an application for that role to be advertised there shortly

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Speaker 20: as an important role. And you know, it comes shortly

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Speaker 20: after there's been a bit of a restructure the police

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Speaker 20: executive as well, so I imagine there'll be a few

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Speaker 20: contenders putting their hand up for that one.

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Speaker 3: Jared, thanks for talking us through it, mate. This Jared Savage,

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Speaker 3: investigative reporter for the Herald.

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Speaker 4: Heather do for see Ellen.

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Speaker 3: The Financement has just given a pre budget speech today

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Speaker 3: and revealed that she is putting an extra one hundred

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Speaker 3: million dollars into the Elevate Venture Fund, which invests in startups. Now,

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Speaker 3: James Ross is from the Taxpayers Union with us right now, Hey, James,

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Speaker 3: I have you don't like this idea? Do you?

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Speaker 22: No, we don't like this idea at all.

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Speaker 2: Why.

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Speaker 22: I think there's two big issues that we see with this.

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Speaker 22: The first is that, you know, a week out from

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Speaker 22: the budget, we are still seeing a government who thinks

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Speaker 22: that the key to growth is taxing more, spending more,

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Speaker 22: and picking winners. The second half is that, frankly, you

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Speaker 22: know this is it's venture capital, it's high risk by design,

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Speaker 22: it's gambling with taxpayers money and it's all going on

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Speaker 22: the credit card. It's money.

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Speaker 4: We don't have.

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Speaker 3: The point that she's made, though, is that this particular

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Speaker 3: fund has actually backed successful companies in the past, like

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Speaker 3: down Aerospace.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, but it's I mean the nature the high risk.

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Speaker 22: It's it pays off until it doesn't. You know, if

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Speaker 22: we compare this to something like the New Zealand Green

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Speaker 22: Investment Investment Finance Fund, which was a very similar scheme.

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Speaker 22: You know, it paid off until they made one hundred

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Speaker 22: and forty five million dollar loan to Settle zero, which

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Speaker 22: went broken. Then it very quickly didn't. It's just it's

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Speaker 22: the nature of the sort of gambling that it is

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Speaker 22: going to backfire on taxpayers.

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Speaker 1: Do so.

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Speaker 3: I mean, one of the arguments is that any of

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Speaker 3: these business as would actually be able to attract investment

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Speaker 3: without having to go to the government if they were good.

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Speaker 3: Do you subscribe to that idea?

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Speaker 22: Look, if they were, if they were commercially violable, then

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Speaker 22: they would be able to attract that finance and they

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Speaker 22: wouldn't need the government to prop up these essentially prop

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Speaker 22: up these other venture capital firms. The fact that the

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Speaker 22: government is having to do. That just proves how high

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Speaker 22: risk these investments are, and it proves the risk that

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Speaker 22: taxpayers are being exposed to.

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Speaker 3: James, why should we lit the taxpayers Union into the

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Speaker 3: budget lockup?

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Speaker 22: We should let the taxpayers Union into the budget lock

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Speaker 22: up because we're there to cut through the spin. And frankly,

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Speaker 22: it's this of a spin that we're there to cut through.

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Speaker 3: Jason Walls in ow political edituses. He doesn't need anyone

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Speaker 3: to tell them to go to the back of the

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Speaker 3: budget and look at the numbers.

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Speaker 4: Do you do more than that? Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 22: I mean we've been in there before. We've actually found

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Speaker 22: mistakes and pointed them out to Treasury officials which have

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Speaker 22: subsequently been corrected. We do this day in day out.

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Speaker 22: We are we are I hesitate to say experts, but frankly,

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Speaker 22: and far too much time with our heads in these books.

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Speaker 22: We know these numbers inside and out. The public have

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Speaker 22: a right to know what those numbers are without the spin.

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Speaker 3: James, thank you very much. I really appreciate it. James Ross,

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Speaker 3: the Taxpayers.

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Speaker 4: Union hither due for Ellen Hither.

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Speaker 3: You completely missed the point from Jason Wools. He's not

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Speaker 3: saying that the Taxpayers Union or any other such organizationalor

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Speaker 3: lobby group doesn't add some value to the conversation. The

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Speaker 3: purpose of the budget lockdown is for those who need

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Speaker 3: to decipher and then communicate complex information. That is the

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Speaker 3: role of the media. That is the role of the media.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's not that hard to featherm is it?

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Speaker 4: Mate?

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Speaker 3: We're hello, What rock are you living under? Have you

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Speaker 3: seen the quality of the media of late? Turn the

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Speaker 3: tally on, turn the tally on. Read the papers. Tell

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Speaker 3: me how much confidence you have? Have you seen how

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Speaker 3: old they are? They're literally born yesterday, most of them. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: bless bless you? Is that Jason texting me again, just

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Speaker 3: trying to get his point across as he harrising me.

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Speaker 3: It feels like it. We'll talk to the huddle about

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Speaker 3: it later on. Yeah, I'd suffice to say, I don't

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Speaker 3: agree with you, but with a huddle, we've got the

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Speaker 3: right person on the huddle because it's another economist. It's

843
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Speaker 3: the economist from the CTU, Craig Rennie, so we'll get

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Speaker 3: his take on it. Listen, I need to talk to

845
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Speaker 3: you about what Judith Collins has been up to. It's

846
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Speaker 3: actually quite fascinating. She's wanted to scrap diversity. We'll get

847
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Speaker 3: to that in a minute. It's five fourteen. I'll tell

848
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Speaker 3: you what my nephew LEVI loves the most about the

849
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Speaker 3: BYD Shark six ute that I'm driving at the moment.

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Speaker 3: It's the voice activation. Every time he sees the ute,

851
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Speaker 3: he wants to climb inside and say hi, b wyd,

852
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Speaker 3: wind down the passenger window, or high b wyd, make

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Speaker 3: the temperature twenty one or whatever. It's any number of

854
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Speaker 3: things he wants to tell BYD to do, and he reckons.

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Speaker 3: He's trying to get his mum to climb in the

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Speaker 3: ute with him, because he reckons if he does it

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Speaker 3: in front of his mum, and his mum will be

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Speaker 3: impressed enough to buy him one of these utes. Now.

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Speaker 3: She will be impressed because it is actually quite cool.

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Speaker 3: And if you think that's cool, you wait to see

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Speaker 3: the rest of the tech in the ute. It's got

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Speaker 3: vehicle to load, It's got cameras galore. You will never

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Speaker 3: part is easily in your life. It's got a plug

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Speaker 3: in the tray so you can power your tools. It's

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Speaker 3: got loads of power. It can tow, it can carry loads,

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Speaker 3: it can go off road. It's up to eighty k's

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Speaker 3: in pure ev mode or eight hundred k's in hybrid mode,

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Speaker 3: which means that you can drive yourself a big ut

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Speaker 3: with heaps of power and not feel guilty about the emissions.

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Speaker 3: eighteen past five. Now, the worst kept secret in New

875
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Speaker 3: Zealand football is finally out. Ryan Reynolds football team are

876
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Speaker 3: coming to Wellington to play the Phoenix. How cool is that?

877
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Speaker 3: Rexam AFC famous, of course because of the award winning

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Speaker 3: TV documentary series Welcome to Wrexham.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: Our Heidi Morton is from Wellington, New Zealand. The guys

881
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: who actually managed to pull this off. Hey Heidi, Hey,

882
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 3: here's how are you well? Thank you? How much you

883
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 3: paying them?

884
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 21: I knew that was going to be your first question.

885
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 21: Unfortunately I'm not going to answer that. That's commercially sensitive,

886
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 21: but what I can say is has been a great

887
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 21: buy considering other outcomes that we think we're going to

888
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 21: get from this in on par with what we obviously

889
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 21: partner with other things for other major events in the city.

890
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 3: Auckland's mayor was on our show yesterday saying that that

891
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 3: you know, if Auckland wants to get a big concert

892
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 3: or something, it's about three or four million dollars to

893
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: just get them to turn up. Have you paid round

894
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: about that amount? Absolutely? Not less or more?

895
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 21: Absolutely less, well, less, very much less.

896
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 3: For the money that you've paid. Are we going to

897
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 3: get Ryan Reynolds as well?

898
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 21: Well, I can't comment on that, but we've all got

899
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 21: our fingers crossed in the office and around the city

900
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 21: that will not only get Ryan, but we'll also get

901
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 21: Rob as well, but of course that's in the hands

902
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 21: of Ryan and Rob's schedules.

903
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 3: Do you think it will sell out?

904
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 4: Yes?

905
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

906
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 21: When we hosted Newcastle United in twenty fourteen we had

907
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 21: around thirty one thousand, and the same for the LA

908
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 21: Galaxy and David Beckham back when they came in two

909
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 21: thousand and seven. So I think it will sell out,

910
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 21: and not only because this is going to be a

911
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 21: fantastic friendly football match, but also the entertainment drawer with

912
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 21: the Welcome to Wrexham show that's on Disney plus and

913
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 21: you know the rise that the that Wrexham have had

914
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 21: going into the English Football League Championship next year.

915
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 3: What do you reckon Is it going to do well

916
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 3: because we're becoming a football country or is it simply

917
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 3: because it's been all over itally and it's got this

918
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 3: wonderful story behind it.

919
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 21: I think it's both. So we really look forward to

920
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 21: welcoming all those Auckland FC fans down to down to

921
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 21: Wellington to come and see it. You know, there's people

922
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 21: from all over the country that you know loves love

923
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 21: the Phoenix, loves love Auckland f C. So football is

924
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 21: on the rise in this country and be still to

925
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 21: Auckland you see a near run to the finals. But

926
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Speaker 21: also you know the entertainment factor is immense here. I

927
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 21: mean it has one of the biggest followings this show

928
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 21: around the world and included in Willington and New Zealand.

929
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 21: Welcome to Wrexam. So there will be people that are

930
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 21: coming and hopefully you know it's a good weekend for them.

931
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 3: Yeah he is hoping. Hey, thanks very much, Heidi, really

932
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: appreciate it. Heidi Morton, Wellington, New Zealand Events and Experiences

933
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 3: General Manager Ken Turner talking about Ken shortly five twenty.

934
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Speaker 4: One checking the point of the story.

935
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Speaker 1: It's Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

936
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 1: get connected and youth talks.

937
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 3: That'd be five to twenty three Doug. Yesterday when I

938
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 3: read how expensive those little green bins in Auckland, where

939
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 3: I actually wasn't actually I wasn't entirely sure that I

940
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 3: actually believed the numbers because they were just so mind

941
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 3: blowingly wild. But it turns out, in fact the numbers

942
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 3: are true. Auckland Council is they confirmed at the start

943
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 3: of this program paying fourteen hundred dollars for every ton

944
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 3: of carbon that those little green bins keep out of

945
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 3: the atmosphere when the going rate for carbon. Why this

946
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 3: is wild is because the going rate for carbon is

947
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 3: only fifty dollars. So what's happened as Auckland Council has

948
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 3: decided to set up its own little scheme, right, you'll

949
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 3: be aware of it now. They decided to manufacture these

950
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 3: little green bins in Australia and then send them over,

951
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: and then manufacture the liners in China and then send

952
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 3: them over and then give them to every single Auckland

953
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 3: household to put out on the curb every week, and

954
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 3: then they come around with their trucks and they collect

955
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 3: them every week, and then they dump them all into

956
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 3: another truck, and then those trucks drive them down to Epordor,

957
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 3: which is down by Utua, and they dump carbon miles galore,

958
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 3: and then they dump it in a little dumping place there.

959
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 3: And that whole process to take your food scraps to

960
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 3: Rhoda vegas costs fourteen hundred dollars per carbon ton that

961
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 3: is kept out of the atmosphere. Instead of doing this,

962
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: what they could, of course do is they could just

963
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 3: take it down to the landfill and dump it where

964
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 3: it will break down, because it's food, that's what food does.

965
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 3: And then to solve their conscience, they could go to

966
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 3: the carbon auction. They could buy themselves a carbon unit

967
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 3: for fifty dollars, or if they really want to, they

968
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 3: could plant some trees to offset the carbon at one

969
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty dollars per ton. But instead what they've

970
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 3: decided to do is not spend fifty, not spend one

971
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty, but spend fourteen hundred dollars. Now I

972
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: could give Auckland Council a little bit of leeway if

973
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 3: the price difference was marginal, like maybe if it was

974
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 3: fifty dollars versus sixty dollars. But fifty dollars versus fourteen

975
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 3: hundred dollars is inexcusable. And by the way, this will

976
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: never be anywhere close to fifty bucks because even if

977
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 3: every single household and auction actually use these bins, which

978
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 3: we don't, only about a third of us do, if

979
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 3: every single householded, the cost of that carbon ton would

980
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 3: still be about five hundred dollars compared to fifty dollars. Now,

981
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 3: I can't understand why they're persevering with the scheme, but

982
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 3: I suspect it's because they think this is the right

983
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 3: thing to do, and they've got caught up thinking that

984
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 3: they personally at Auckland Council have to save the planet

985
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 3: truck by truck. But they need to dump this. I

986
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 3: mean they have permission to because Labor you will recall,

987
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 3: made these bins mandatory, but the Coalition government has scrapped them.

988
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 3: So persevering with these bins is just stupid ideology. And

989
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 3: though they will say to you it's only two dollars

990
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,439
Speaker 3: per household, per week. Two dollars per household per week

991
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 3: adds up and that's thirty six million dollars a year

992
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 3: across all Clind City. That's a lot of money that

993
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 3: would buy a lot of books, or a lot of

994
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 3: street bins, or a lot of anything else. That the

995
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 3: money that the city should actually be spending its money on.

996
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 4: Heatherduper Clo Now, speaking of all.

997
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: Clind Council, do you remember yesterday we had the Mayor

998
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 3: Wayne Brown on the show and we asked him why

999
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 3: he supported the co governance and the White Tarketys and

1000
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 3: he said, no, I didn't support the co governance and

1001
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 3: the White Tarketis And we said, yeah, you did. You

1002
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 3: voted for it and he said no, no, I didn't

1003
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 3: vote for it. It was Ken Turner.

1004
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 23: We got a parking. I've formed a parks committee and

1005
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 23: put Ken Turner on it as the chairperson, and he's

1006
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 23: deeply involved in why to arrange the things, and so

1007
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 23: I leave it up for him.

1008
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 4: Really, they not.

1009
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 23: I'm going to the Saint Mary's Bay Association and I

1010
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 23: lived there, so I'm going to go that and it's

1011
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 23: my and I don't expect Ken Turners to know anything

1012
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 23: about that because he lives out in the wite tegeries,

1013
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 23: and so I let him worry about those things. Ten

1014
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 23: Turner's all over and he lives in the wi techery,

1015
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 23: So why would I bother interfering with what he's doing

1016
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 23: on that one.

1017
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, so we got in touch with Kim Turner.

1018
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 3: Kin Turner's not stoked about the situation that he finds

1019
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 3: himself in right now. Turns out this will alarm you.

1020
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: But Wayne didn't know what he was voting for. But

1021
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 3: Ken also didn't know what he was voting for, and

1022
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 3: he is doing huge mere culpas because he does not

1023
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 3: love what he's voted for. So anyway, Ken's going to

1024
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 3: be with us after the news to talk about why

1025
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 3: all the people on council don't know what they're voting for.

1026
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 3: Headline's next came.

1027
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 4: After making the news. The newsmakers talk to Heather first.

1028
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 4: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with One New Zealand. Let's

1029
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 4: get connected. Dogs, they'd be cold. You're taking me out ordinary.

1030
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 9: How would you name go to Andaryhither.

1031
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 3: The landfills that the food scraps go to have gas capture,

1032
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 3: which means that ninety percent of the methane is captured

1033
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 3: and used for electricity. Therefore the council actually only needs

1034
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 3: to spend about five dollars for carbon thanks just makes

1035
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 3: it so much worse. And by the way, getting a

1036
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 3: lot of texts suggesting that what we should do is

1037
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 3: sub out the Phoenix and put Auckland f C in

1038
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 3: there instead, because the Phoenix are going to get their

1039
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 3: butts whipped by Wrexham, but Auckland FC may actually put

1040
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 3: up a good show, and you know what, I would

1041
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 3: be all on board for that. Maybe we could do

1042
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 3: Maybe we could get them to go to Wellington first,

1043
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 3: give those guys a smashing at the Phoenix and then

1044
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 3: come up for a real match of football afterwards. How

1045
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 3: about that huddle is standing by going to be of

1046
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 3: this very shortly and Judith Collins after six I'll talk

1047
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 3: you through what she's planning to do. Right now, it's

1048
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 3: twenty four away from six now. Last night Auckland Mayor

1049
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 3: Wayne Brown was on the show and we are the

1050
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 3: way He voted for co governance and the white targets

1051
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 3: and he told us he knew nothing about it because

1052
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 3: he had delegated that decision making to Ken Turner, who

1053
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 3: was another counselor who he trusts one hundred percent on

1054
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 3: this and Ken Turner is with us. Now, Hello, Ken, Hello?

1055
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 3: Is that really what happened? Did he tell you that

1056
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 3: you could do all of the decision making for him.

1057
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 7: I've been beside this from the beginning by myself to

1058
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 7: a degree, and in the governing body on the tenth

1059
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 7: of December last year, it was just a standard vote

1060
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 7: in council.

1061
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 3: Okay, did the mayor ask you to vote on his behalf?

1062
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 10: No?

1063
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 3: Well, what was he talking about?

1064
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 13: Then?

1065
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 7: I'm not sure? I voted on my behalf? Unfortunately?

1066
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 3: Okay, unfortunately, Well, I.

1067
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 7: Voted yes, and I should not have, and I've apologized

1068
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 7: for that.

1069
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 3: Why should you not have?

1070
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 7: Because the vote was just to go to public, not

1071
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 7: too We were voting on the information that would be

1072
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 7: given to the public to go for the have your

1073
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 7: Say event, for the public consultation. And I had taken

1074
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 7: it for granted that the two options that I'd been

1075
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 7: negotiating and sitting beside for nine ten months were in

1076
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 7: the resolution. They were in the executive summary, they were

1077
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 7: in the analysis and advice, and I did not realize

1078
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 7: they were not in the resolution until two months later.

1079
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 3: Okay, So what are you apologizing for?

1080
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 7: Because I would have voted no if I had have

1081
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 7: known that, and having voted yes, and having people saying

1082
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 7: this was unanimous, this was unanimous, has put me back

1083
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 7: a few steps on a very important subject that the

1084
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:43,959
Speaker 7: community put me here to fight.

1085
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm guessing that the community is not loving the

1086
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 3: co governance and the white targeting idea.

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00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 7: The community wants their park back. Yeah, the community the park.

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00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 3: Why is it closed?

1089
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 7: We're told it's for carry die pack, but that's been

1090
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 7: an eight year precautionary approach. The last review that the

1091
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 7: council did in twenty twenty two actually identified well. It

1092
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 7: stated it walked away from the claim that it's humans

1093
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 7: moving the photosphra around and it also admitted that tatafras everywhere.

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00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 3: Are you suggesting are you by linking the closing of

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00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 3: the park with the co governance? Are you suggesting that

1096
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 3: the EWI is behind the closing of the park.

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00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 7: Behind some of it. I'm sitting here in front of

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00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 7: a twenty eighteen memory of understanding between the Council and EWE.

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00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 7: It's headed why Kaki Ranger's Regional Park tracks plan, and

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Speaker 7: in it at one place here Item seven sorry, Item

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00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 7: thirteen B. Forest isolation zones will be established in perpetuity

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00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 7: to protect gates to protect asymptomatic and healthy Cowori catchments

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00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 7: by exclusion areas.

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00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 3: Meaning what what does that meaning?

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00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 7: That permanent closure? By whom the council and Mana Finos

1106
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 7: seem to have these ideas?

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00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 3: Okay, so they've struck an agreement. Okay, ken, So do

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00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 3: you support this idea? If you? If are you going

1109
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 3: to get another chance to vote on it?

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00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 13: Are you?

1111
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 7: I hope so?

1112
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 3: And if it comes up for a vote and they

1113
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 3: say do you support this idea? Are you going to

1114
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 3: vote yes or no?

1115
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 7: No?

1116
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:30,959
Speaker 3: And what about the mayor?

1117
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1118
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 3: Well I thought you, I thought you're voting on his behalf.

1119
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 3: That's what he told. No, no, no, no, he told us

1120
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 3: he's busy with the meeting in Saint Mary's Bay and

1121
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 3: he trusts you one hundred percent because you live in

1122
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 3: the White Argatis.

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00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 7: Well, that's very nice of him. On flatter, however, I

1124
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 7: was voting for myself and I had no idea that

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00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 7: I had a job for the mayor.

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00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 3: Okay, have you written him a letter to explain to

1127
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 3: him how nuts this whole idea.

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00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,479
Speaker 7: Is yes, I did.

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00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 3: Did he read it?

1130
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 7: I don't know when I heard that. There was another

1131
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 7: time when I heard the mayor didn't know much about this.

1132
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 7: So I got in touch with his chief of staff

1133
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 7: and said, you've got my letter. It was there five

1134
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 7: days ago. Please make sure it gets in front of

1135
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 7: the mayor.

1136
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 3: Okay, So all right, we'll call BS on that from

1137
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 3: the mayor. Then, thanks, Ken appreciated Ken Turner, the famous

1138
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 3: Ken Turner Auckland Counselor, nineteen away from six the Huddle.

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00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: With New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find You're one of

1140
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: a kind.

1141
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 3: On the huddle with us this evening. Tim Wilson, Maximum

1142
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 3: Institute and Craig Rennie c to you, economist, Hell, are

1143
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 3: you too? Anyone getting the feeling that the mayor has

1144
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 3: been playing silly buggers on this one?

1145
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 24: Just yeah, my goodness, when you say something in public,

1146
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 24: you should make sure the story at least checks out somehow.

1147
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so we all are. Hey Craig, how are

1148
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 3: you feeling about being kept out of the budget lockup?

1149
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 16: Well, I'm disappointed, naturally, I've been to many budget lockups previously,

1150
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 16: and the CEA to you has been to pretty much

1151
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 16: every budget lockup. It's of a being invited to. So

1152
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 16: I guess I'm more disappointed for all of our members

1153
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 16: who won't be able to have access to the information

1154
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 16: they normally would have and be able to understand what's

1155
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 16: actually in the budget.

1156
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1157
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 3: Well, no, Jason Walls, the political leader or at news

1158
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 3: Talk zibces he doesn't need an economist to tell him

1159
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 3: to go to the back of the budget and read

1160
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 3: the numbers. He doesn't need you. You don't add.

1161
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 16: Anything because that's what I told Jason Walls how to

1162
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 16: read the budget five years ago, and so he's quote

1163
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 16: he's deliberately actually quoting me and telling.

1164
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,919
Speaker 24: The great great can you look in twenty tweentyne because

1165
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 24: I understand you're probably going to get into Parliament in

1166
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 24: Wellington Central. So in twenty twenty nine, when you're the

1167
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 24: Minister of Finance, will you pledge now that you'll let

1168
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 24: me into the budget lockup.

1169
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 16: I'll tell you what, if I'm ever in the fortunate

1170
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 16: place of being the Minister of Finance, I will absolutely

1171
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 16: let you into the lock up, and I'll let anybody

1172
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 16: else into the lockup who works for a reasonable organization

1173
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 16: who has a reasonable reason for being there. Unfortunately, what

1174
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 16: we have right now is a situation where the Treasury

1175
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 16: or the Minister of Finance has made decisions to lock

1176
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 16: up not just see to you, not just me, but

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00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 16: also the PS, every other trade union, lots of other organizations, Zealand, Zealandpaers,

1178
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 16: the Taxpayers Union, a whole bunch of organizations who have

1179
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 16: perfectly reasonable reasons to be there. And if you don't

1180
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 16: like me, just kick me out, right, but don't kick

1181
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 16: out everybody else, right. That seems to be a huge,

1182
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 16: huge decision.

1183
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 3: Because what they do, let's be honest about it, tim

1184
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 3: what they're doing is they are avoiding scrutiny because they

1185
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 3: know that the economs bring a different level of scrutiny

1186
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 3: to your journos and that's just too tough, right, So

1187
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 3: they're keeping them out. That's what's going on here.

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00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 24: Well, it seems to be right, And I'm of the

1189
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 24: opinion that some scrutiny is actually helpful when we're looking

1190
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 24: at numbers and are you talking with the textpayers Union

1191
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 24: guy who said we've actually spotted mistakes. Well, if we

1192
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 24: can get more people into spot mistakes, that might be

1193
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,240
Speaker 24: helpful for the healthy the health of the country.

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00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 16: Certainly, the New Zealand Initiative a couple of years ago

1196
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 16: noticed an error in the TOBE or taxation and that

1197
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 16: was inside the documents. So there's perfectly good reasons for

1198
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 16: being there. But just generally speaking, it's essentially seeing financial

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Speaker 16: institutions like big Australian banks or Bloomberg, who's a US

1200
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 16: based organization. They're allowed access to this information, but three

1201
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 16: hundred and fifty thousand workers who we represent aren't. And

1202
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 16: that doesn't seem to be No, I don't think it's

1203
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 16: fair reason why we're doing that.

1204
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 3: No, it's not fear at all. Craig. Did you just

1205
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 3: confirm before, by the way, that you're going to run

1206
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 3: as a library?

1207
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 20: I put absolutely not.

1208
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 16: I confirmed that if I was if I was the

1209
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 16: Minister of Finance in twenty twenty nine, which seems like

1210
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 16: such a vanishingly ridiculous suggestion that I'm happily I'll happily

1211
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 16: back up. If I'm in that position, then I'll happily

1212
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 16: let you.

1213
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 3: That seems like rule out for us that you're going

1214
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 3: to be on the labor ticket next year.

1215
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 16: Well, first things first, there's a whole party process that's

1216
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 16: involved in that. I'm not going to rule anything in

1217
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 16: or out, because there's a long way before twenty twenty six.

1218
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 3: I just want you to acknowledge, when you are the

1219
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 3: Minister of Finance that we made you famous on the huddle.

1220
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 3: Nobody knew who you were Craig before this.

1221
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 16: I'm very happy to do that, very happy.

1222
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 24: I'll tell you what you let Maxa, You let Maxim

1223
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 24: and Creg will bring scrutiny and the scones. So it's

1224
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 24: a dundee.

1225
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 3: Fantaga we made that.

1226
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 16: There are already already savings to the crown.

1227
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 3: Really okay, we'll take a break, come back to you guys.

1228
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 3: Shortly caught it two.

1229
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand southebyst International Realty achieve extraordinary

1230
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: results with unparallel reach.

1231
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 3: Right, you're back of the huddle, Tim Wilson and Craig Greenny. Tim,

1232
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 3: did you see the carbon cost of those green bins

1233
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 3: in Auckland?

1234
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 24: Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness, central government mandating and

1235
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 24: not thought through, not particularly desirable policy with not desirable outcomes.

1236
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 24: I mean the plastic bags made in China shipped here,

1237
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 24: the bins from Ossie shipped here, polluting trucks.

1238
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 4: It's a nightmare.

1239
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 3: It totally is. But I mean, okay, Craig, you're an economist.

1240
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 3: Does this work on any level when you do this

1241
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 3: whole elaborate scheme and it costs you fourteen hundred dollars

1242
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 3: per carbon ton when you could just buy a unit

1243
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 3: on the carbon auction for fifty bucks.

1244
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 4: It doesn't.

1245
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 16: But I think it would also belies.

1246
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 3: I think Nikola did that. Nicholas done that. She didn't

1247
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 3: like what he was.

1248
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 4: Do you know who it was? It was? It was

1249
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 4: actually Jason Walls.

1250
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 24: He was Jason was going to be exposed and he

1251
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 24: just had to He had to shut poor old Craig down.

1252
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 24: But when Craig's the Minister of finance, Walls will do

1253
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 24: you think?

1254
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 3: Jason was like, we don't actually need an economist's opinion

1255
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 3: on this, cut him off. We will understand mats never mind.

1256
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 24: Well this is but this is this is probably how

1257
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 24: they wrote this policy. Here there is we'll just shut

1258
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 24: the economists out, and you know your compost is great.

1259
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 24: Don't worry about the numbers that they'll wash their own faces.

1260
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 3: Do you use the green bins? Tim?

1261
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 24: No, we throw our compost over the fence like most Awklanders.

1262
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 3: Oh no, that is an absolute lie. That's on the

1263
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 3: other side of the Hang on, tech. Now, if you're

1264
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 3: going to talk nonsense like and I'm going to talk

1265
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 3: to craigallow Craig you there, Yes, I am apologies, Go on,

1266
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 3: then tell me what you think.

1267
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 20: Yeah.

1268
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 16: Essentially, this is one of these situations in which you

1269
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 16: know that the principle of allowing local government to actually

1270
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 16: work should actually take place. You know, when central government

1271
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 16: is to say, to provide mandates on our thing that

1272
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 16: often doesn't work in one area or doesn't work in

1273
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 16: another area, we should This is why we elect local

1274
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 16: government to make these decisions, and we should allowed Craig.

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01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 3: All right, but what about this though? Government has actually

1276
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 3: repealed the mandating here, right, So it's up to councils now,

1277
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 3: and they can scrap these things if they don't want

1278
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 3: don't want them anymore. But Auckland Council continues with this.

1279
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 3: So this is not a central government problem. This is

1280
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 3: now an Auckland council problem, isn't it.

1281
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 16: It sounds like it And I think if the carbon

1282
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 16: price is well higher than that, then this is something

1283
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 16: that you know in the knes, in the resource constrained

1284
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 16: universe that we're all in right now, and certainly many

1285
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 16: local residents facing ever increasing rates bills, we'll be asking

1286
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 16: hard questions. The key thing here is you know what

1287
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 16: works in what's actually going to really make a difference,

1288
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 16: And it doesn't sound as if it's really working or

1289
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 16: if it's actually got the level of community support or

1290
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 16: community buy and that will actually deliver a really good

1291
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 16: outcome for Auckland.

1292
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: Is there too?

1293
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 21: Right?

1294
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,919
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Hey, what do you make tim of IID doing

1295
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 3: this crackdown and getting the student loan blood is to

1296
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 3: pay their money back?

1297
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 24: Well, yeah, we all hate Texas, but IID does need

1298
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 24: to be collecting them, and this just shows that money

1299
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 24: buys money. So they got more on the last budget

1300
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 24: to go for this stuff, two hundred million. I think

1301
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 24: they should keep doing it because apparently we've got two

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Speaker 24: point three billion outstanding. Winston Peter should jump on this.

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Speaker 24: If you get that back, you could buy eight fererries.

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Speaker 3: You could buy eight firies, You could buy a lot

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Speaker 3: of stuff. About whole bunch of green bins as well. Craig,

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Speaker 3: isn't this interesting though? So I think the best example

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Speaker 3: of what's going on here is one of the old

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Speaker 3: mates is not paying the money back for years, presumably defaulted.

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Speaker 3: IID arrests the person at the border, and suddenly they

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Speaker 3: pay the money back, So they clearly have the money,

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Speaker 3: they just don't want to pay it.

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Speaker 20: I think that happens.

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Speaker 16: I think there's lots of different reasons and lots of

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Speaker 16: different things that occur, and some people will have the

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Speaker 16: money and some people won't. I think there's a couple

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Speaker 16: of things, one of which is we can't just keep

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Speaker 16: putting more loans and more costs on students. Student costs

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Speaker 16: when the cost tituition when it's six percent last year,

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Speaker 16: the costs of interest if you're having to pay it

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Speaker 16: when up more last year again. But two, this is

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Speaker 16: a great example of if you invest in the public service,

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Speaker 16: you get a good outcome. It would be lovely if

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Speaker 16: we followed that example elsewhere in governments and we made

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Speaker 16: investments in government that actually allowed good outcomes. Funny Zealand doesn't.

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Speaker 16: This is a really good example of that happening in

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Speaker 16: the real world.

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Speaker 3: I can't tell whether you like the crackdown on the

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Speaker 3: student loan defaulters or us.

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Speaker 4: Do you well?

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Speaker 16: I certainly like that people. When people owe money, they

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Speaker 16: should pay it. Yea, and they should. The question is

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Speaker 16: if they can't pay it, then there's a you know,

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Speaker 16: there's a process by which they can go through IRDs

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Speaker 16: in order to get support to get change. So there's

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Speaker 16: no you want fame mee seeing that they shouldn't pay it.

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Speaker 16: But we shouldn't be continuing to hugely of a burden

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Speaker 16: of students as a consequence of this. And secondly we

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Speaker 16: should then be meeting sure that they've got good jobs

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Speaker 16: to go to in New Zealand, rather than essentially forcing

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Speaker 16: many of them to go all overseas to get the

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Speaker 16: knes of work and experience that they need.

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Speaker 3: Yeah too, right, Okay, guys, it's been great to chat

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Speaker 3: to the pair of you. Look after yourselves. That's Craig

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Speaker 3: Rennie and Tim Wilson our huddle this evening ate away

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Speaker 3: from sex.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dooper ce Alan Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my hard Radio powered by News Talk z be.

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Speaker 3: Here that we don't elect stupid. Well, that's the plan,

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Speaker 3: but it doesn't always work. This is true, right, this

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Speaker 3: is I feel like that's reference to what's happened at Auckland. Council.

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Speaker 3: I think we're going to talk a little bit about

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Speaker 3: Auckland Council tomorrow because it's just remarkable how stupid, how

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Speaker 3: many stupid decisions are being made over there. Listen, I

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Speaker 3: just want to draw your attention to something just on

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Speaker 3: that sea bomb column that we spent a bit of

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Speaker 3: time talking about yesterday. Chrishipkins has been asked about this. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So back in twenty twenty three when Chrishipkins was the

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister, he did an interview where he was asked

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Speaker 3: about all the nasty things that people said about Jacinda

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Speaker 3: Ardun and he said, there is no question unfortunately women

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Speaker 3: in leadership positions, women in politics, but women in other

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Speaker 3: leadership positions are the subject of far more abuse in

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Speaker 3: vitriol than men doing comparable jobs are. I think we

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Speaker 3: do have a responsibility as men to step up and

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Speaker 3: to condemn that and to speak out against it. So

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Speaker 3: then somebody came to him and they were like, hey,

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Speaker 3: you're a man, would you like to speak out against

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Speaker 3: that vitriol that was aimed at Nikola Willis when she

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Speaker 3: was called the sea bomb in a column And he said, well,

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Speaker 3: it's actually a journalist exercising free speech, and I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to tell them what they're allowed to say. Ha ha.

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Speaker 3: You're not allowed to be mean here here starteth the lesson.

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Speaker 3: You're not allowed to be mean to Cindy, but you

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Speaker 3: are allowed to be very mean to Nicky because Nicky's

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Speaker 3: on the blue team and Cindy's on the red team.

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Speaker 3: Red team's off bound. Blue teams go for it even

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Speaker 3: if it the sea bomb. Crazy times now anyway, listen,

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Speaker 3: Judith Collins, she's going to be with us after the news.

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Speaker 3: It's being reported today that she wants to scrap diversity

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Speaker 3: nonsense and hiring bosses in the public sector. Newstaloks he'd

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Speaker 3: be in The Herald have been given her heads up now.

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Speaker 3: Now this is because she's the new Public Service minister.

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Speaker 3: It's not actually this is not actually technically a news

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Speaker 3: story right because no decision has been made here. She's

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Speaker 3: just considering it. This is called flying a kite, I

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Speaker 3: think so. I think what she's doing is she's just

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Speaker 3: letting it be known that she's kind of considering doing

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Speaker 3: this and if it lands well, then she will do it,

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Speaker 3: and if it doesn't land well, then she won't do it.

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Speaker 3: And basically what she's thinking about is exploring removing some

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Speaker 3: requirements to consider diversity and inclusion when hiring chief executives. Instead,

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Speaker 3: she wants them to focus more on merit based appointments

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Speaker 3: across the public sector. I think this is going to

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Speaker 3: land very well, particularly with her voter base, so I

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Speaker 3: think she will be going ahead and doing it. So

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Speaker 3: in anticipation of this kite being flown and actually catching

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Speaker 3: the breeze and going for it, We're gonna have it

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Speaker 3: at to her next just to see what she makes

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Speaker 3: of it. News Talks at.

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Speaker 1: B where Business meets Insight, The Business Hour with Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplessy Allen and Mass Insurance and Investments, Grow Your Wealth,

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Speaker 25: US Talks at B Evening coming up in the next hour.

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Speaker 25: We're going to dip into the super Fund as the

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Speaker 25: country for the first time in three years. Now that

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Speaker 25: date has been brought forward significantly. Brad Olsen on that.

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Speaker 25: Told you the other day Worth is doing a U

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Speaker 25: turn on the wool carpets. Jamie McKay on that, and

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Speaker 25: we'll have Deloitte's Robin Walker on the student loan crackdown.

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Speaker 3: Seven past six. Now it's being reported that Judith Collins

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Speaker 3: is looking at getting rid of DEI hiring in the

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Speaker 3: public service. She's written cabinet papers suggesting that public sector

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Speaker 3: bosses should be allowed to hire based solely on merit

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Speaker 3: and without the current requirements to foster an inclusive workplace.

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Speaker 3: Now she's doing this obviously in her capacity as the

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Speaker 3: Public Service Minister. Judith. Hello, ah, hi, Heather, How committed

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Speaker 3: are you to actually wanting to get rid of these rules?

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Speaker 26: Well, I think absolutely committed. This is something that seems

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Speaker 26: to be some focus of the previous government. But we're

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Speaker 26: also hearing from public servants that they like to think

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Speaker 26: that they are employed on merit, not based on little

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Speaker 26: boxes that have been tipped. So I think it's one

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Speaker 26: of those things that's going to hold the public service

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Speaker 26: back if we can't get the right people for the

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Speaker 26: job and we can't have the widest pool of CAPE applicants.

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Speaker 3: What are the rules? I mean, are the rules? They

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Speaker 3: don't seem like they're hard and fast. It's just like

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Speaker 3: it has to be a consideration diversity.

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Speaker 7: Is that right?

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Speaker 26: Yeah, there's nothing wrong with valuing diversity of thought and experience.

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Speaker 26: Where you're at it too, It's all part of who's

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Speaker 26: the best person for the job, But at the moment,

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Speaker 26: it's really clear that the public service seems to be

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Speaker 26: getting itself wound up and not to make sure that

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Speaker 26: they followed this particular set of rules, such as the

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Speaker 26: equal pay rules, the Human Rights Act, all those sorts

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Speaker 26: of rules, but are already in law, so we're not

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Speaker 26: getting rid of requirements. What we're saying is to follow

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Speaker 26: that law, not follow just this particular law, and not

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Speaker 26: even mentioning other laws. So it's like, I don't know

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Speaker 26: when Labor rewrote this. It was Chris Hipkins, I think

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Speaker 26: was the minister at the time. They seem to be

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Speaker 26: completely intent on identity politics, and I just don't think

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Speaker 26: the museum tax should be having to pay for that.

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Speaker 26: And it's also it's not fair on public servants who

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Speaker 26: feel sometimes and people accuse them of having been appointed

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Speaker 26: because of their ethnicity or some diversity thing when they're

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Speaker 26: just trying to get do the right job. So it's

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Speaker 26: like acknowledging the fact we already have laws for these things.

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Speaker 3: Is there just explain to me exactly what the rules

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Speaker 3: currently are. Is there a rule that says you have

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Speaker 3: to have a woman chief executive or you have to

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Speaker 3: have fifty percent chief of executives or something like, is

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Speaker 3: there an actual number a target here?

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Speaker 26: No, but there's lots of there are targets, but there's

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Speaker 26: no requirements to actually have a woman chief excess for

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Speaker 26: this or that. But I think it is more important

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Speaker 26: to say, you know, this is over thirty percent of

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Speaker 26: a basically New Zealand's business, and it is important that

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Speaker 26: we know that everyone who's appointed is appointed on their.

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Speaker 3: No, you don't need to convince me I one hundred

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Speaker 3: percent agree with you. I'm just trying to establish what

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Speaker 3: on earth the has been doing. So has it been

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Speaker 3: sort of at your discretion if you're hiring, And many

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Speaker 3: of them have been overly focused on that.

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Speaker 26: I think of their overly focused because New Zealanders tend

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Speaker 26: to be like that in particularly the public service. If

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Speaker 26: you give them the tools to say you've got to

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Speaker 26: look at all these things, they'll look at them all right,

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Speaker 26: they'll look at them.

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Speaker 4: All day long.

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Speaker 26: If you don't say, just choose the right person for

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Speaker 26: the job. And I mean, obviously may well take into

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Speaker 26: account people's life experience and who they are and what

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Speaker 26: they're you know, everything that.

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Speaker 20: They can do.

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Speaker 26: But it's also their understanding that Once you make those

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Speaker 26: targets that public servants report on, that's what they will

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Speaker 26: work to. So just say get the best versus the

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Speaker 26: job and get their job done.

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Speaker 3: Have you come across any people who have been hired

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Speaker 3: because they are women and actually have been otherwise disappointing?

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Speaker 26: Occasionally I have come across people who I wonder how

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Speaker 26: they were hired. But that's not just women, of course,

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Speaker 26: there are Sometimes they come across the odd man and

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Speaker 26: I think.

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Speaker 20: Well, how the hell did that happen?

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Speaker 26: So that's you know, hither that's me.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to name people's exactly there I'm after

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Speaker 3: I want you to name names.

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Speaker 20: Oh you are naughty.

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Speaker 26: No, but I think whatever it is. If you tell

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Speaker 26: public servers their role is to get merit based appointments

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Speaker 26: and not to take too much notice of people's personal

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Speaker 26: lives or anything else, I mean, you're going to get

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Speaker 26: better appointments. But also people know that they're being appointed

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Speaker 26: for the right reasons, not about anything else about their

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Speaker 26: personal lives.

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Speaker 3: Judith, it's good to talk to you. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 3: Judith Collins, Public Service Minister. By the way, I have

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Speaker 3: a lot to get through in the next hour, so

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to hone write through a bunch of stuff. Okay.

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Speaker 3: By the way, the first group of white South African

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Speaker 3: refugees have arrived in the United States. They will meet

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Speaker 3: at Dulles International Airport outside Washington, DC by a couple

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Speaker 3: of senior officials. So Trump is quite keen to make

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Speaker 3: a quite a big deal out of this. It's about

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Speaker 3: fifty nine adults and kids and stuff like that, stirring

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Speaker 3: a lot of controversy because generally white people, I'm guessing,

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Speaker 3: hardly ever considered refugees, especially in a place like South Africa,

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Speaker 3: where they are you know, not your typical refugee, are

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Speaker 3: they because they earn a lot more money than the

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Speaker 3: local black population, for example. Anyway, in much better financial circumstances,

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Speaker 3: is what I'm trying to say. Anyway, So that is

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Speaker 3: in and of itself stirring quite a lot of controversy.

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Speaker 3: More controversy because he's described what's happening to them as

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Speaker 3: a genocide, and also because on the very same day

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Speaker 3: that he's letting in white South Africans, he has removed

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01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 3: protections from Afghans who were at risk of being deported

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Speaker 3: back to Afghanistan. So that's the first thing you need

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Speaker 3: to know. The second thing is that Pope Leo has

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Speaker 3: hosted an audience with international media. About six thousand members

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Speaker 3: of the media were there. He called for the release

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Speaker 3: of journalists in prison for seeking the truth. He focused

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Speaker 3: on the need for press freedom around the world, and

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Speaker 3: he also asked journalists to help put a stop to

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Speaker 3: polarizing reporting and to end the war of words. Do

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Speaker 3: you think he's read Andrea ANS's column yet? Thirteen past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather dupas Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 1: my Heart Radio empowered by news dog ZEBBI.

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Speaker 3: It's sixteen past six now, Nicholas Oh, I'm going to

1532
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 3: get back. There's a text there on Oh on the

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Speaker 3: ladies being hired and the DEI positions are going to

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Speaker 3: come back to that. Nikola Willis has today announced the

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Speaker 3: government will make its first withdrawal from the super Fund,

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Speaker 3: first ever in twenty twenty eight with us now as

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Speaker 3: Brad Olson Inframetric's principal economist, Hey Brad good evening now.

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Speaker 3: Last year the projection was that the first would first

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01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 3: dip into it in twenty thirty three. So why has

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01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 3: this come forward by five years?

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01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 27: Well, effectively it looks like the government doesn't need to

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01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 27: contribute quite as much into the future, and that as

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01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 27: soon as the model shows that there's not a contribution

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01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 27: to be made, that's effectively when the withdrawal starts to happen. Now,

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01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 27: all of this is not really a government choice. This

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01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 27: has laid out in legislation passed back in two thousan one,

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01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,600
Speaker 27: I believe as the super Fund was coming in. So

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01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 27: this isn't, you know, the government of the day deciding

1549
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 27: they're going to do one thing or another. This is

1550
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 27: very much just the mathematics of it. But what it

1551
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 27: suggests as well is that obviously we are getting closer

1552
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:14,600
Speaker 27: and closer to that time where the model shows that

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01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 27: actually the cost of the New Zealand super Scheme is large,

1554
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 27: clearly and it needs to start to get a bit

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01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 27: of help from the super Fund to smooth that over generations.

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Speaker 3: Oh so this is an indication of us having hit

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Speaker 3: some sort of a threshold with how much we're paying

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Speaker 3: in pensions, is it?

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01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 11: Well, that's in my view, that's part of it.

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Speaker 27: I mean, that's also looking. I mean that the complicated

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01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:37,639
Speaker 27: formula that goes into it looks at a whole range

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01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 27: of things the cost of the Super scheme into the future,

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01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 27: what our economic growth is likely to be, like, what

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01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 27: the cost of future outgoings from the scheme and everything

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Speaker 27: will be.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it does.

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Speaker 27: I mean, we know over time that New Zealand Super

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Speaker 27: is starting to cost us more and more as a

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Speaker 27: proportion of GDP. We know that in the upcoming budget,

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Speaker 27: New Zealand Super is going to be a larger line

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Speaker 27: item than the entire education budget. I mean it's time

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Speaker 27: and time again that these costs are coming through.

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Speaker 3: So it does hilight.

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Speaker 27: There's a challenge, and that is also what the Super

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01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,639
Speaker 27: scheme was designed to do. Over time that fund would

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Speaker 27: help smooth just how big that cost was going to get.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, did you get any kind of a clearer

1578
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 3: picture as to what is going to happen to key

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01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 3: we Saver in the budget?

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Speaker 27: Look, I don't think the Finance Minister's given too much

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Speaker 27: away today apart from saying that KEII Saver was and focus.

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01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 27: I mean, I think you spoke to her a week

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01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 27: or two back about the potential for the contributions that

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01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 27: government makes to top up KEI we savers. You know,

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01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 27: might be under a bit of pressure. The Finance Minister

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Speaker 27: won't go anywhere near answering that. And the lead up

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Speaker 27: to Budget Day I wonder as well though particularly the

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01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 27: focus might well be maybe that conversation, but also potentially

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01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:49,680
Speaker 27: increasing the minimum contribution rates over time, so a bit

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01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 27: more targeted from the government in terms of the contributions

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01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 27: that they give back, but also lifting those contributions like

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01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:59,719
Speaker 27: Australia has done. That would help people save more over time.

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Speaker 27: Some potentials in the mix. But put it this way,

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01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 27: can we say there also social investment looking like a

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01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 27: real key focus for the government. Limited amount of money

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01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 27: they've got to play with means they need to get

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01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 27: best bang for buck.

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Speaker 3: Hey, why is the New Zealand initiative not allowed into

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01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 3: the budget lockup?

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Speaker 27: But you are, Oh, I mean that's a question for

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01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 27: Treasury as to who they choose who gets in. I

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01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 27: mean that seems to be a little bit of a

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01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 27: who's in who's out at the moment. Well, I mean

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01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 27: we've put our application in as we've done for coming

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01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 27: up well over a decade now at Infometrics. I mean

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01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 27: we all provide different insights and views, you know that.

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01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,759
Speaker 27: Really it's a question for Treasury and I think again

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01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 27: It seems odd that these organizations have been allowed to

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01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 27: apply but not told until a week out from budget

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Speaker 27: that they're not allowed to go in. I would have

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01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 27: thought they might have been told right at the start, look,

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01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 27: don't even apply because you're not in the criteria. Letting

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01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 27: them apply and then letting them down a week out

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01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 27: very very odd.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'm glad you're there, Brad brad Olson infometrics

1616
01:16:56,600 --> 01:17:01,639
Speaker 3: principle economists. Okay, Heather, I'll tell you who comes to mind.

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01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 3: Read the DEI hires the navy captain of the captain

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01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 3: of the Manawinui. That's the one who sunk the boat,

1619
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 3: by the way, Heather, Margie Upper, great example of a

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01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 3: DEI higher. Now I'm not gonna lie. I had exactly

1621
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 3: the same thought this morning as Rick. In fact, so

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01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:17,759
Speaker 3: did my husband quite independently. He said, was that one's

1623
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 3: name who was running the house in New Zealand? I

1624
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 3: was like, oh, yeah, Margie. And I thought about her too.

1625
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 3: I thought, yeah, now she was hired because she was

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01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 3: a lady, wasn't she. There's a load of people who

1627
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 3: were hired, especially under the last government, and you do

1628
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 3: look at them and you go, were you only hired

1629
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 3: because you're a lady, because you actually suck at that job. Now,

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01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 3: this is why I hate the DEI stuff because I

1631
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 3: feel like it casts a pall over all of us

1632
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 3: who are women right, who have taken positions. Maybe no,

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01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 3: I am the first woman to be the host of

1634
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 3: the drive show on news Talk ZB okay, so immediately

1635
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 3: I was like, ah, Yep, here we go. Yep, they're

1636
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 3: gonna think that about me, and I hate that. I

1637
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 3: hate that anybody think because because there are really really

1638
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 3: smart women out there. For example, I mean, you could

1639
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 3: use as an example, just Nikola willis right, she's smart

1640
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 3: that you name somebody else in the National Party who

1641
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 3: would be a more capable finance minister than Nicholaoud. She's

1642
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 3: perfectly capable, entitled to do that job. But everybody's like,

1643
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 3: oh did she get it because she's a later. That's

1644
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 3: not fair. And so that's why I think these DEI

1645
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 3: things need to be scrapped, because actually I would like

1646
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 3: to see I would like all young women who are

1647
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 3: growing up to think that the women ahead of them

1648
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 3: got those jobs because they're smart, not because they were

1649
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 3: being giving Nobody was giving them a favor, And I'd

1650
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 3: also like them to think that they will be able

1651
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 3: to get jobs, not because they're going to get a

1652
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 3: hand up, but because they will earn it and can

1653
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 3: earn it. So this thing of having these I think

1654
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 3: it just makes everybody wonder why we all got the jobs,

1655
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:46,720
Speaker 3: and that's not good for anybody. So I'm very very

1656
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 3: much behind Judith Collins scrapping at all and if this

1657
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 3: is flying a kite, as I said earlier, she wants

1658
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 3: to test the water as well, happy to support it

1659
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 3: until she changes. At six twenty two, whether.

1660
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 1: It's Macrobe, microbe or just economics, it's all on the

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01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 1: Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Hellen and Mare's Insurance and Investments,

1662
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:09,759
Speaker 1: Grow Your Wealth, Protect Your Future Youth.

1663
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 3: Dogs V coming up twenty five pas seics. Oh by

1664
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 3: the way, listen, a man has just been arrested over

1665
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 3: in the UK for that fire bomb attack on the

1666
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 3: Prime Minister's home in North London and de Brady will

1667
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 3: be with us in about twenty minutes on that. With

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01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 3: us right now is Jamie McKay, Host of the Country.

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01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 3: Hey Jamie, good evening, Heather, Now, what did you make

1670
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 3: of Bremworth deciding to do the synthetic carpets again.

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01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 8: Well, it hasn't probably gone down well with some farmers,

1672
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 8: but I think if you look at it from a distance,

1673
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 8: it's probably a pragmatic decision. So they've reversed their wall

1674
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 8: only policy and they're now going to start making synthetic

1675
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 8: carpets as well. Now they stopped producing synthetic carpets back

1676
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 8: in twenty twenty in favor of the wall only policy.

1677
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:53,560
Speaker 8: But there's been a recent shakeup on the board. You

1678
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 8: might remember that Rob Hewitt, the new chair, ditched the

1679
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:00,679
Speaker 8: old board. He's the chair of Everything in New Zealand,

1680
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 8: formerly Silver Firm, Farms and Farmlands. But he did it

1681
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 8: off the back of falling revenue. The chief executive, by

1682
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 8: the way, he was a victim. He stepped down recently

1683
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 8: after four years, a guy by the name of Greg Smith.

1684
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 8: So revenue fell from one hundred and fifty million to

1685
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 8: eighty million in the space of six years. I guess

1686
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:22,839
Speaker 8: they had to do something that Hewitt said the decision

1687
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 8: to stop selling synthetic carpets in favor of wool only

1688
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 8: products had not resulted in improved sales, while operating costs

1689
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:34,640
Speaker 8: had still remained high. He said not having synthetics in

1690
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 8: their portfolio actually made things more difficult because their customers

1691
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 8: wanted to sample both synthetics and wool and they, says said,

1692
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 8: we need to spread our costs across the wider base,

1693
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 8: and our customers are clearly looking for a synthetic product, okay.

1694
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 8: And he also said having a complete portfolio ie synthetics

1695
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 8: and wool will actually help them grow their wall product sales.

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Speaker 8: I hope so federated is not surprisingly Meet and Wall

1697
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:04,799
Speaker 8: chair Toby Williams said the wall industry was teating teetering

1698
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 8: and this would be another knock for farmer confidence. He

1699
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:10,480
Speaker 8: said it was disappointing but understandable.

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01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean because it's market reality, isn't it. But

1701
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 3: how embarrassing for Brimworth because remember that campaign that they launched.

1702
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 3: It was just so harsh about synthetic carpets and now

1703
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 3: they're doing them again.

1704
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 8: Well they've done a bit of a backflip. I mean

1705
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 8: everyone's doing these days, look at Trump and his tariffs.

1706
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 8: But look the reality of it is, as much as

1707
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 8: we want to use wall carpets and the government have

1708
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 8: been a champion of that in there in their buildings,

1709
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 8: some people don't want wall carpets. They want the cheaper

1710
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 8: synthetic option, which may have some advantages. In an ideal world,

1711
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 8: we would all we would we would all choose wall carpets,

1712
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 8: but ultimately the market will decide.

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01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant, Jamie. It's good to talk to you, as

1714
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 3: always talk to you in a couple of days. Jimmy McKay,

1715
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 3: Host of the Country. By the way, there is an

1716
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:59,719
Speaker 3: interesting conspiracy theory about Emmanuel Macron going around in his cocaine.

1717
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 3: So it happened on the train to Kiev. He's sitting

1718
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 3: at a table with a desk with Kirstarma and the

1719
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 3: new German Chancellor, and just before they're getting ready for

1720
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 3: a photo, and just before a photo was taken, he

1721
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 3: reaches over and grabs something and hides it. And the

1722
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:15,639
Speaker 3: Russian trolls were like, look, it's a bag of cocaine

1723
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 3: and it's a little white thing. But unfortunately for them

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Speaker 3: it's quite clearly not it is. I mean, it'd be

1725
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Speaker 3: very exciting, but it was actually just a tissue which

1726
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 3: he'd used to blow his nose. So I think it's

1727
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 3: fair that he tried to hide it for the photo,

1728
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 3: don't you think headlines next.

1729
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Speaker 4: Oh, aren't you. I need you Olga h.

1730
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Speaker 6: Need.

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01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:42,480
Speaker 4: It's beautiful. Oh everything from SMEs to the big corporates.

1732
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Speaker 1: A business hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Ma's Insurance

1733
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 1: and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future, youth talks.

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Speaker 16: D be.

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Speaker 3: Jesus when they have you joined the dots. Yet the

1736
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,679
Speaker 3: consumer won't pay more for sustainable That goes for everything

1737
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 3: net zero being pushed on farmers. Sarah, I totally agree

1738
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 3: with you. I've said this for the longest time. You know,

1739
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 3: when they say, oh, our customers want it, they want

1740
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 3: us to do everything so sustainable and it's got to

1741
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 3: be climate friendly. But BS no that the customer doesn't care.

1742
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 3: I don't know what that customer is. If it's Nestle,

1743
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:22,719
Speaker 3: it's a different kind of thing we're talking about all together.

1744
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 3: But as in me and you buying our chocolate down

1745
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 3: the supermarket, we don't care. We just go for the

1746
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 3: thing that's the cheapest, taste, the best, looks, the best,

1747
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 3: whatever it is that we're trying to buy. Listen quick,

1748
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:34,640
Speaker 3: heads up Auckland War Memorial. There is more this is

1749
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 3: the museum. Sorry, more as bestos that has been detected there.

1750
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 3: So it's pretty much everywhere. It was first it was

1751
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 3: just in one little spot. Now it's everywhere. So the

1752
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 3: whole thing is closed, so that I don't know when

1753
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 3: they're going to reopen, as if you're planning a trip

1754
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 3: to the museum, not for a little while. Are you

1755
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 3: going to be allowed into the earthquake house twenty four

1756
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:52,960
Speaker 3: away from seven? So it turns out that the IID

1757
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 3: crackdown on the overseas student loan defaults is bearing fruit.

1758
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 3: IID has collected more than two hundred million dollars in

1759
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 3: student life repayments in the past nine months, and that

1760
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 3: represents a forty three percent increase on the same period

1761
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 3: the previous year. Deloitte tax partner Robin Walker is with

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01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 3: me on this. Hey, Robin, Hi, you surprised at how

1763
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 3: much they've managed to rake in.

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01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 28: I think there's definitely plenty to be collected from overseas.

1765
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 28: So it is good to see that the investment that

1766
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 28: ID has made an increasing their focus on this area

1767
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 28: is actually paying dividends in terms of that increase in collections.

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Speaker 3: What does this tell us? What do you reckon this

1769
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,600
Speaker 3: is down to? Is this down to increased resources for

1770
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 3: IID or more direction for IID.

1771
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 28: I think it's a bit of both, right. So in

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01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 28: budget last year, IOD was allocated I think twenty nine

1773
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 28: million dollars a year for the next four years to

1774
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 28: increase their audit activity and that was split across that

1775
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 28: was to be split across general audit work and also

1776
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 28: specifically in.

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Speaker 26: Relation to student loan borrowers.

1778
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Speaker 28: So what they said last year was that they actually

1779
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 28: increased their FTEs working on student loans from twenty to

1780
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:06,839
Speaker 28: forty five, so more than double the number of people

1781
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 28: focusing on this. So I think they will have really

1782
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,679
Speaker 28: ramped up their efforts to contact people to just give

1783
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 28: them a bit of a nudge along to say, hey,

1784
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 28: we know you're not in New Zealand and we know

1785
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 28: you are us money and we want you to start

1786
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 28: making some repayments become compliant.

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Speaker 3: Again, does it pay for itself? Like the amount that's

1788
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 3: being put the extra funding that's been put in to

1789
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 3: actually beef up this team, is they are collecting much

1790
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:33,520
Speaker 3: more than we're funding them.

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Speaker 5: That's right, that's right.

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01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 28: So normally on your when Iody puts more money into audits,

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Speaker 28: the return is around eight to nine dollars per dollar

1794
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,719
Speaker 28: put in. So I haven't done the math on this

1795
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:49,520
Speaker 28: particular one, but it's definitely proving to be worthwhile.

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Speaker 3: Now, Robin, I am so desperate to believe that this

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01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 3: represents a change in attitude towards how much we respect

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01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 3: the tax payer, because historically we have just been so

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01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 3: frivolous with money, right, loans like the COVID small business

1800
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 3: loans just given out unsecured. Does this mean what we're

1801
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 3: seeing here that we are prepared to be more respectful

1802
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 3: towards it or am I just hoping too much?

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01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 28: Well, this is more about collecting the money that people. Oh,

1804
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 28: so obviously it's great for people to get an education,

1805
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 28: and the student loan facilitates people being able to do that.

1806
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 28: And obviously we've got this real incentive for people to

1807
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 28: stay in New Zealand after they finish they're studying, because

1808
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:31,680
Speaker 28: if they stay here then it's interest free. But as

1809
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 28: soon as you leave New Zealand, you suddenly start incurring interest.

1810
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 28: But the issue there is that it's it's a lot

1811
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 28: harder for you know, New Zealand to get its claws

1812
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Speaker 28: on those repayments as soon as somebody leaves New Zealand.

1813
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:49,719
Speaker 28: And there's various statistics that are available, but it's quite

1814
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 28: it's quite telling that what IDY has available. Generally New

1815
01:26:54,840 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 28: Zealand based borrowers are ninety five percent compliant, but overseas

1816
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 28: borrowers the compliance varies. Like back in twenty twelve when

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01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 28: the statistics started, about fifty percent of people were consistently compliant,

1818
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 28: and then it dropped down, and I think the lowest

1819
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 28: I've seen is twenty twenty three, it was nineteen percent

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01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 28: first were compliant and at the moment it's only thirty

1821
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 28: thirty percent of people are compliant as of the end

1822
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 28: of twenty twenty four. So yeah, there's definitely a lot

1823
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 28: of people overseas that could start repaying more of their loans.

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Speaker 3: Interesting. Hey, Robin, always good to talk to you. Thank

1825
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 3: you so much, Robin Walker Deluyte.

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Speaker 4: Tax partner Heather duel Cellen pull.

1827
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 3: Follow up, Heather, you remind people to pay money and

1828
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 3: they will pay money. Fairpoint.

1829
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 20: Now.

1830
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Speaker 3: I heard Mike the other day banging on about how

1831
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:44,720
Speaker 3: we just report absolutely everything in the media that a

1832
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 3: New Zealand does kind of without any judgment. Had the

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01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 3: point that he was trying to make is e New

1834
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 3: Zealand basically breathe and we go oh, my gosh, Air

1835
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 3: New Zealand breathed. They go, we've got a uniform. We go, oh,

1836
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 3: they've got a uniform, you know, like they literally can

1837
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 3: do anything. Well, ah, let's report it. Well I've come

1838
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 3: to realiz he's bang on, because today I opened the

1839
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 3: papers and there was a story Air New Zealand plans

1840
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 3: Elite plus frequent Flyer tier new exclusive lounge at Auckland Airport.

1841
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 4: I thought, what on didn't I.

1842
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 3: Already know that that they were going to do this?

1843
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 3: I think I knew that they were going to do

1844
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 3: this lounge, so I googled it.

1845
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:20,719
Speaker 4: Oh look story.

1846
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 3: February five this year, Air New Zealand has confirmed its

1847
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 3: investigating a new luxury lounge for frequent flyers eighth of

1848
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,679
Speaker 3: May this year. What's another one? One of the perks

1849
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:36,559
Speaker 3: will include access to the new International Elite Lounge at Auckland.

1850
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 3: Thirteenth of April last year, Air New Zealand is set

1851
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 3: to introduce a new top tier. The new tier is

1852
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 3: likely to be above elite. It will include extra perks.

1853
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 3: One of those perks being considered as a new Elite lounge.

1854
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 3: The first of March last year, Air New Zealand is

1855
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 3: asking members what they want, and one of the proposals

1856
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 3: is an Elite Air New Zealand lounge. Thirtieth of August

1857
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:04,559
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, a significant shakeup of the New Zealand's

1858
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 3: airpoint scheme is being considered on which will deliver more

1859
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 3: perks for frequent flyers. Some of the benefits being considered

1860
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 3: include separate lounges for elite members. So we've literally been

1861
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 3: reporting on this for nearly three years now through I

1862
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 3: know listen to the media. I know that there's another

1863
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 3: lounge coming. I've read about it now at nauseum and

1864
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:30,719
Speaker 3: some of these stories are written by the same person.

1865
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:33,680
Speaker 3: Brooks Saban just keeps on writing about this lounge. It's

1866
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 3: just because he's the travel writer a stuff. It's like,

1867
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 3: did you know there's a new lounge coming? And I go, oh, look,

1868
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 3: click next time. He's always up to spend three months

1869
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 3: old on let's write it. There's another lounge coming. I go, oh,

1870
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 3: well click, oh yeah, you can leave another three months.

1871
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 3: You could write the same. Basically, he just needs a

1872
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 3: rotation of that. This week he can write about the uniform.

1873
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:55,679
Speaker 3: Next week he can write about the lounge. Next week

1874
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 3: he can write about the food. Do they just rotate it?

1875
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:00,599
Speaker 3: Just keep going on a rotation. Click on it every

1876
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:03,719
Speaker 3: single time. This is what I'm gonna do. Okay, next time,

1877
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 3: this is what I'm gonna do next time. There is

1878
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 3: any New Zealand story that's about some cool new thing

1879
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:14,680
Speaker 3: they've done, like the cassava chips or biggest screens or

1880
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:16,800
Speaker 3: like herring bone setting, I don't care what the hell

1881
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 3: it is. Whatever. If it's something that's good for a

1882
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:21,640
Speaker 3: New Zealand, I'm not clicking on it. I'm gonna look

1883
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 3: at them and nap. I'm not rewarding that with a click,

1884
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 3: because I know I already know everything in it. Because

1885
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 3: how many blinking stories did I just tell you about lounges?

1886
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 3: Goodness me? How right is Mike on that seventeen away

1887
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:31,719
Speaker 3: from seven?

1888
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 4: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1889
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duper Clan and for theirs,

1890
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:43,599
Speaker 1: Insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, Protect your future news

1891
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 1: talks d be.

1892
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 3: Hey, Heather, did you know that there is going to

1893
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 3: be a new n New Zealand luxury lounge? Oh my gosh,

1894
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 3: call the Herald right now. Call the Herald before they

1895
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:55,680
Speaker 3: print the papers. They need to put that on the

1896
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:59,520
Speaker 3: front page. Fourteen away from seven end. Brady UK correspondent

1897
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:00,040
Speaker 3: with US now.

1898
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 18: And hey Hea, they're great to speak to you again.

1899
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 3: What do we know about this blog? Who's been arrested?

1900
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:05,759
Speaker 3: Read the fire bombing.

1901
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 18: So he's twenty one years old and in the past

1902
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 18: half hour he has been arrested. Counter terror police involved

1903
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 18: in this because the properties that were attacked are linked

1904
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 18: to the Prime Minister. Now clearly everyone knows kir Starmer

1905
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:22,680
Speaker 18: lives at number ten Downing Street, London. That was not

1906
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 18: the address that was initially attacked. It was an arsonal attempt.

1907
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 18: Basically the porch the front door of what was the

1908
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 18: Starmer family residence in North London place called Kentish Town.

1909
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:37,000
Speaker 18: It's about a four million dollar property. The Starmers lived

1910
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 18: there clearly before they moved into Downing Street, and he

1911
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 18: won the election last July. So we now learned that

1912
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 18: there were three fire incidents in four days last week,

1913
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 18: one at that property which the Starmers have let out.

1914
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 18: There is another property apartment in the same area of

1915
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:56,680
Speaker 18: North London the Ker Starmer owns. There was a suspicious

1916
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:59,679
Speaker 18: fire there too. Nobody hurt and not a huge amount

1917
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 18: of DAMA and a vehicle park in the street which

1918
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 18: is linked to the Starmer family was also the subject

1919
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 18: of an arson attempt, so counter terror police were called

1920
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 18: in and a twenty one year old man right now

1921
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 18: is in police custody in London, all.

1922
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 3: Right, And I suppose we're all going to be watching

1923
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 3: to see what the motivation here was. What is going

1924
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 3: on with this clamp down on immigration, because it feels

1925
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:22,759
Speaker 3: to me in it if this is coming from the Tories,

1926
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:24,599
Speaker 3: it would feel like the Breden battter, but it feels

1927
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 3: weird coming from a labor prime minister.

1928
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:29,479
Speaker 18: It does feel very strange because a lot of people

1929
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 18: would say that labor in the certainly under Blair years,

1930
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 18: drove immigration into the UK and they felt that this

1931
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:36,599
Speaker 18: was benefiting the economy.

1932
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Speaker 4: Clearly now it is not.

1933
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Speaker 18: It is a big talking point on the doorsteps and

1934
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 18: I think a lot of labor politicians are feeling the

1935
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Speaker 18: heat because of really poor council results in those elections

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Speaker 18: across England last week. And who's benefiting from all of this.

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Speaker 18: Nigel Farage and Reform UK. Now he has been anti

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Speaker 18: immigration from day one. He came up with the slogan

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Speaker 18: take back control of our body orders, which it's no coincidence.

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Speaker 18: In Starmar's speech yesterday he used that exact phrase. So

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Speaker 18: they're tightening everything up. If you come to the UK

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Speaker 18: it will be ten years before you can apply for citizenship.

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Speaker 18: Currently it's five. They're going to make a ten and

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Speaker 18: they're clamping down on everything. Student visas in particular, there

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Speaker 18: is a feeling that that system has been absolutely abused

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Speaker 18: by people coming to the UK coming, not even attending courses,

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Speaker 18: disappearing others who do stay. Then bringing family members in

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Speaker 18: immigration is going to be a big talking point for

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Speaker 18: a long time in the UK. Starmer has set his

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Speaker 18: stall out and he said, I promise you I will

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Speaker 18: bring it down. If he doesn't, he won't be back

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Speaker 18: in Downing Street in four years time.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, helly, listen, have you been in Warsaw?

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Speaker 10: Have you?

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Speaker 18: I'm still here, Yeah, I'm here. We're filming my TV

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Speaker 18: show this week because there is a huge presidential election

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Speaker 18: first round voting this weekend across Poland and it's absolutely

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Speaker 18: fascinating what's going on. So the Prime Minister is Donald

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Speaker 18: Tusk and you'll be seeing a lot more of him

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Speaker 18: around Europe, you know, stepping up. He's with Starmer and

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Speaker 18: Macron and trying to sort out peace in Ukraine. There's

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Speaker 18: so much going on Poland. The economy is booming, three

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Speaker 18: point two percent growth predicted this year. They're spending a

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Speaker 18: lot of money on defense. They're spending nearly five percent

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Speaker 18: of GDP on defense because they're very worried about Russia

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Speaker 18: and this presidential election this weekend. The government are warning

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Speaker 18: of unprecedented attempts by Russia at election interference. So it's

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Speaker 18: all going on in Poland.

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Speaker 3: Interesting stuff. Hey, Inda, thanks very much, really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Into Brady UK Corrispondan listen. I've just something's going on

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Speaker 3: with Rico Yuan his face and I don't know what

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Speaker 3: it is. So he was just on the TV news.

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Speaker 3: I've got the TV news on in the studio. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I know, it's cool. We're we've got three three TVs.

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Speaker 3: How cool are we? Anyway, So I was watching him

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Speaker 3: on the TV one news. Is just who was giving

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Speaker 3: a bit of a press conference there and some he

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Speaker 3: looks different and I don't know what it is he's

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Speaker 3: got himself. It could be it could be that he's

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Speaker 3: got a very nice haircut because if you know that

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Speaker 3: all blacks sometimes have like the world's worst haircuts, mullets

1982
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Speaker 3: and all kinds of weird things going on, because obviously

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Speaker 3: I don't know what, but that a trend will sweep

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Speaker 3: through the all blacks and they all look hideous. But

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Speaker 3: he's got himself a really nice haircut, the kind of

1986
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:20,360
Speaker 3: haircut that you'd be happy for your son to have.

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Speaker 3: Looks decent but also a bit jazzy. But then also

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Speaker 3: he's got himself like a little tight beard, you know,

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Speaker 3: like nothing too much, just a little bit of stubble there.

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Speaker 3: And it could be that it could be that the

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Speaker 3: combo of a nice little tightly cut beard, nice little

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01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:35,680
Speaker 3: haircuts made him look very handsome. It may be that

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Speaker 3: it may also be that every time I see Rico Yuani,

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Speaker 3: he's got a mouth guard in his face, right, so

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Speaker 3: when he's playing rugby, so I've got used to seeing

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Speaker 3: him look a bit weird with a mouth garden. So

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Speaker 3: when I see him without a mouthcut, I'm always very handsome. Actually,

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Speaker 3: it could be all of that, but it also could

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Speaker 3: be that something else has happened, like maybe some orthodontic

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Speaker 3: work or a nose job or something, and I don't

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Speaker 3: know what it is. And if you do know what's

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Speaker 3: gone on with Rico Yuani that his face looks different

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Speaker 3: to me, can you please let me know nine two,

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Speaker 3: nine two. You've got nine minutes before the show is over.

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Speaker 3: Otherwise I have to ask Darcy and then we'll have

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Speaker 3: to talk about it Tomorrow's Darcy will surely know. Darsie

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Speaker 3: could probably ask some questions for me, So anyway, yeah,

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Speaker 3: sort that out for me. Something has just come out

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Speaker 3: of the justice system over in Northland. Gandalf has been charged. Now, Gandalf,

2010
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Speaker 3: if you don't know, is what probably i'd say probably

2011
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 3: the country's most famous green theory. And a green theory

2012
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Speaker 3: is somebody who grows marijuana to supply other people who

2013
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:33,000
Speaker 3: need it for pain, right, so it's like an assistance

2014
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:36,120
Speaker 3: thing rather than for you to just get stoned on.

2015
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 3: He has been charged for supplying cannabis oil and he

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Speaker 3: has appeared in court. He's pleaded not guilty. He has

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Speaker 3: elected a trial by a jury and he faces fourteen

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Speaker 3: years imprisonment. Now I'm quite fascinated by this because what

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Speaker 3: I want to know is whether Gandalf has actually been

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Speaker 3: doing some other stuff, like it's not just you know,

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Speaker 3: the altruist that we think he is as something else

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Speaker 3: going on here, or are the cops actually genuinely spending

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Speaker 3: their time cracking down on green fairies. So I'll keep

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Speaker 3: an eye on that coll cas, because that would not

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Speaker 3: be cool. Eight away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather topsy allan drive full show podcast on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by newstalk ZEBBI.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I tried to call Darcy on his phone to ask

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Speaker 3: him what happened to Rico's face, but he hasn't answered

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Speaker 3: his phone. His phone must be and I'll be completely

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Speaker 3: honest with you, so I don't have an answer, and

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Speaker 3: that's entirely my fault, because I could have if I

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Speaker 3: wanted to just get up out of my chair. Stop

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01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 3: being a lazy guy, get up out of my chair

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Speaker 3: and walk. What do you reckon? The distances ants to

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Speaker 3: Darcy's desk like ten mets?

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Speaker 11: Oh yeah, ten meters at most. That's the thing is Heather.

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Speaker 29: For people listening at home, Heather is a chronic for

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Speaker 29: this and that while I'll be sitting even close in that,

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Speaker 29: I'll be sitting five five meters away and my phone

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Speaker 29: will ring and it'll be Heather. Because you can't be

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Speaker 29: bothered to get up and open two doors. It's quite amazing.

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Speaker 3: Does this become a like do you people talk about this?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 11: I just talked about it to the radio audience there.

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Speaker 3: But the Germans smiling at me like she thinks this.

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Speaker 11: No wond I have not discussed this with Laura at all?

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Speaker 3: Is this a problem, Laura? I thought it was just

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Speaker 3: being efficient.

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Speaker 7: I do do this.

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Speaker 3: Of course I do this to you because I have

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Speaker 3: a cell phone. I'm do you know what, I'm using

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01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:15,639
Speaker 3: the same cell phone to call you as I'm using

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Speaker 3: to call ants over there.

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Speaker 11: But to be fair as well, listeners, Heather is very

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Speaker 11: busy as well.

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Speaker 3: That's how I myself.

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Speaker 11: And doing research and all that sort of.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking to too many people then around out of time,

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Speaker 3: but also ants like why would you walk five meters? When?

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01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:35,519
Speaker 3: Why would you not reward the geniuses that have made

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01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 3: the iPhone by using the iPhone? Also?

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Speaker 10: Do you know what?

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Speaker 3: Else? Though, this is why I'm doing it at the moment,

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Speaker 3: especially is because I went to the gym yesterday, didn't

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01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:46,800
Speaker 3: I to a pump class? Because I was told maybe

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01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:48,600
Speaker 3: it's a good idea to incorporate a little bit of

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Speaker 3: strength training at your age, Heather, because you're getting on now, right.

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Speaker 3: So I went into the pump class and it's the

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Speaker 3: first time and I don't do pump classes because I

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01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:58,920
Speaker 3: don't like doing squats and lunges because it's hideous. So

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01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:00,760
Speaker 3: I did them and it's the first time I've done

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Speaker 3: it in four years, and I am paying for it. Mate,

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01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:08,040
Speaker 3: it's it's really hard to walk.

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Speaker 11: Well, there you go a couple of five.

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Speaker 25: You know what.

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Speaker 3: You don't know what I'm talking about, do you, because

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01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 3: you wouldn't have been a hell have you ever done

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Speaker 3: a squat in your life?

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01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 1: Oh?

2082
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:17,000
Speaker 11: I've done squats?

2083
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 20: Yes?

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01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 16: Have you?

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01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:17,840
Speaker 15: Yeah?

2086
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 11: Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: Okay, because I wouldn't know that by the size of

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Speaker 3: your lex.

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Speaker 29: You No, well, I wouldn't say I have done a

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01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:25,080
Speaker 29: lot of squats, or I wouldn't wouldn't have done any. Recently,

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Speaker 29: Vogue to play us out by Madonna. So the bio

2092
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:31,360
Speaker 29: pic of Madonna is like a rumor that's been flying

2093
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 29: flying around Hollywood for ages because apparently Madonna would really

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01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:36,160
Speaker 29: like to make one, but she wants to write and

2095
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:38,720
Speaker 29: direct it, so no studio wants to really do it

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01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:40,880
Speaker 29: because they'd rather get an actual writer and director with

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Speaker 29: a bit of traitrical than her to do it. But

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01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:45,040
Speaker 29: apparently Netflix have picked up and Netflix are gonna are

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01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:47,120
Speaker 29: going to do it, but it's going to be rather

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01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:49,120
Speaker 29: than a film, it's going to be a limited TV

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Speaker 29: series and Sean Levy, who is a director, has been

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Speaker 29: attached to it. So maybe Madonna has compromised on the

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Speaker 29: directing side of things, but we don't know yet.

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Speaker 3: It's all still fun.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 3: Netflix is really good at picking like random people to

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Speaker 3: do documentaries. I remember how really well for Harry and Meghan.

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Speaker 11: Oh yes, yeah, the talent selection at Netflix top notch.

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Speaker 3: Really awesome, mattered, Okay, anyway, listen, So it's tomorrow's job

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Speaker 3: to find out what's going on with Bill Rickins. It's

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Speaker 3: because Rico cut off as Ratsdale and that's made him.

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Speaker 11: Look I'll email Darcy him.

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to walk past a minute. I'm just

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Speaker 3: kidding it on it hurts, I don't I'm going to

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Speaker 3: walk to Darcy and I'll come back and by the

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Speaker 3: time I get back and wear my show tomorrow see then.

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Speaker 1: Oh for more from Hither Duplessy, Allen Drive listen live

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