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Speaker 1: Where are we at with the Scott Robinson replacement rugby talk?

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Speaker 1: The Union is set to apparently any day now, release

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Speaker 1: its recruitment plan, whatever that means. Of course, a lot

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Speaker 1: of speculation involves Jamie Joseph and you can't, it seems,

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Speaker 1: mentioned his name without thinking about Tony Brown as well, who,

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Speaker 1: as it turns out, is with us. Tony. Good morning,

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Mike, Christmas New Year, talk me through it.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a good time?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Family goes up to Wanaka and we settle in here

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Speaker 3: for a couple of months, so it's talk here at

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Speaker 3: the moment. The weather hasn't been great, but it's getting better.

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Speaker 1: What's your view on Wataka being overdeveloped? Is it too

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Speaker 1: neighborhoody these days? Do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: It's getting bigger? For sure?

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Speaker 3: But I just went to Queenstown yesterday which was pretty intense,

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Speaker 3: so it's a little bit quieter than that.

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Speaker 2: I don't mind it. I don't mind people.

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Speaker 3: So that's true.

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Speaker 1: Did you do the Crown Range?

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Speaker 2: Crown Range yet?

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Speaker 1: Okay, this has got nothing to do with of course Rugby.

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Speaker 1: The swirling name of all of this. You've had plenty

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Speaker 1: of time to think about it. What do you think?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty bizarre, you know, the timing.

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Speaker 3: Around what's happened, and no sort of plan going forward

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Speaker 3: and my name getting thrown in there plenty, but no

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Speaker 3: one's really talked to me. So I've always just been

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Speaker 3: going back to South Africa to finish my contract.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and happily, so.

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Speaker 2: Happily. So Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The can I play a game with you if you

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Speaker 1: weren't involved with the South Africa and you were just

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Speaker 1: sitting in Monica wondering what to do with your life?

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Speaker 1: Would you would you buy somebody's hand off to be

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Speaker 1: the All Black coach?

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Speaker 3: Would you? I would have yeah two years ago as well.

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Speaker 3: But in the future it's definitely something I want to do.

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Speaker 3: Just timing hasn't worked. My commitment to South Africa was

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Speaker 3: four years and I've always had the plan to honor

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Speaker 3: that commitment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And is there no moment in time where you go, Damn,

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Speaker 1: this just hasn't quite worked out right and there's nothing

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Speaker 1: you can do about it. But it just hasn't quite

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Speaker 1: worked out right timing wise.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very frustrating you. I've even talked to Raiser.

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Speaker 3: A couple of months ago without potentially joining the Allbacks,

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Speaker 3: but that's like I said to him, it's my commitment

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Speaker 3: to South Africa was four years and I've always wanted

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Speaker 3: to honor that. And I said, I'm just so frustrated

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Speaker 3: that no one talked to me two years ago. So

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Speaker 3: that's but that's rugby and that's coaching, and you know

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Speaker 3: he had his coaches and I just had to go

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Speaker 3: and find another job.

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Speaker 1: Could they should they have talked to you two years ago?

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Speaker 1: Or could they? Would they argue that maybe two years

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Speaker 1: ago you aren't where you are now?

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Speaker 2: Who knows?

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Speaker 3: It's it was definitely the Scott Robinson's team versus Jamie

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Speaker 3: Joseph's him. That the process that New Zealand Rugby set up.

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Speaker 3: So I think, you know, with me being with Jamie,

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Speaker 3: then Scott potentially didn't want to take me as well.

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Speaker 3: So and you know he had quality coaches and Jason

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Speaker 3: Holland and Leon McDonald, Scott handsome with him so and

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Speaker 3: and Jason Ryan, so they had a strong coaching team

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Speaker 3: and you know Jamie put his team together a nice

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Speaker 3: part of that and New Zealand Rugby Union went with

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Speaker 3: link with Scott, which you know one he probably deserved

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Speaker 3: the job with his success. So it was just the

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Speaker 3: way it was. And then I was stuck either looking

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Speaker 3: at going back to Japan and there's a little opportunity

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Speaker 3: with Argentina, and then Russy gave me a call around

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Speaker 3: sat evercare so which you know, I played under Russy

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Speaker 3: for the Stormers and new him as a new him

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Speaker 3: as a coach, and thought I actually knew he'd obviously

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Speaker 3: done some amazing things.

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Speaker 2: We sell every character us.

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Speaker 3: Two World Cups, and I just thought, Wow, what an

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Speaker 3: opportunity to go and learn of them.

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Speaker 1: See the interesting thing you talk about the team, the

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Speaker 1: Robinson team. The Robinson team of course fell apart. Do

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Speaker 1: do you know Robertson well enough to know why that

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Speaker 1: would have fallen apart? And would that had potentially been

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Speaker 1: a problem for you as well.

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Speaker 2: I've always.

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Speaker 3: Rose and I sort of grew up and he's on

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Speaker 3: eighth grade teams all blacks together. We were always quite

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Speaker 3: good mates and those teams, and I've never really coached

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Speaker 3: with him. I don't really have a great insight around

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Speaker 3: how he coaches, but for me personally, I would have

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Speaker 3: thought I could coach with anyone. You know, I love

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Speaker 3: I love the game, I love the all blacks, I

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Speaker 3: love I love, you know, being innovative and then around

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Speaker 3: rugby and I love showing up to training and you know,

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Speaker 3: trying to make teams better, and I just you know,

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Speaker 3: I would have thought I could coach with anyone, so

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Speaker 3: it wouldn't have been a massive issue for me.

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Speaker 1: I suppose times on your side, isn't it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's not like you're fifty five and you're a bit

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Speaker 1: past it. I mean, whoever they appoint their point this

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Speaker 1: time around, and it'll come around again, won't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, Ruggy moves so fast and the game

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Speaker 3: is so professional now, and you know this is unprecedented

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Speaker 3: an all back coach getting cut midterm, so you know,

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Speaker 3: who knows what's going to happen going forward.

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Speaker 1: In really simple terms, I don't know if you thought

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Speaker 1: about it this way, in really simple terms, in making

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Speaker 1: the move, they have how much of it's on the

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Speaker 1: union versus how much of it's on the coach and

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Speaker 1: the team. In other words, if you fix the union,

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Speaker 1: this might not have happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone everyone's says, you know, leadership starts from the top,

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Speaker 3: and I suppose he's going to rugby union. You've got

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Speaker 3: to got to show the way there, and then I'm

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Speaker 3: not sure about what happened within the All Black environment.

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Speaker 3: You know, they didn't seem as though they were playing

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Speaker 3: overly poorly. There's a few up and down results, but

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Speaker 3: they seem like they're tracking okay. And so then just

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Speaker 3: Paul stumps and get rid of the head coach has

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Speaker 3: put them in a pretty massive situation around for getting

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Speaker 3: ready for twenty twenty six, which is going to be

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Speaker 3: a massive year not only for the Orblets but for

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Speaker 3: World rugby and there as a whole with the new

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Speaker 3: championship that they're running.

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Speaker 1: There were some international reporting saying as a result of

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Speaker 1: all this, the aura of the All Blacks is gone.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that?

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Speaker 2: No way, No way.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a great opportunity for someone, the next

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Speaker 3: coach who's coming in, whoever.

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Speaker 2: That may be.

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Speaker 3: I think the players will be probably excited about starting

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Speaker 3: again and seeing what they can do building into twenty

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Speaker 3: seven World Cup. I think the coach is going to

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Speaker 3: have a little bit of a clean canvas and be

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Speaker 3: able to do some pretty cool things around giving your

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Speaker 3: books not only through the rugby rivalry and India tour,

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Speaker 3: but getting them ready to have a crack at the work.

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Speaker 1: You got to talk to you, Tony go Well, Tony

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Speaker 1: Brown who's in Wanaka and as part of the spring

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Speaker 1: Box coach and a good insight into what's been going on.

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