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Speaker 3: Welcome to Podcast two hundred and eighty for April sixteen,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. The Australian election on May third may

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Speaker 3: even be more important for New Zealand than our own ballot.

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Speaker 4: Of twenty twenty six How is that?

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Speaker 5: She might ask?

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Speaker 3: And the response is that Australia has become not just

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Speaker 3: New Zealand's second home, but a bolt hole for hundreds

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Speaker 3: of thousands of Kiwis. The number may well be a

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Speaker 3: million or a bit more. The only realistic alternative to

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Speaker 3: those who have declared that New Zealand does not hold

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Speaker 3: their future not just an overseas experience, but a conviction

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Speaker 3: that the grass is greener on the other side of

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Speaker 3: the Tasman. There they're going, and there they will stay,

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Speaker 3: well maybe. Nick Cator discusses the pros and cons of

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Speaker 3: the Lucky Culture, a book that he wrote twelve years ago,

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Speaker 3: and how the outcome of the election will affect the

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Speaker 3: future unless be blunt. The Australian election so far has

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Speaker 3: been described as the most boring, the most tedious, the

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Speaker 3: most useless, the most unimaginative, the most unproductive election ever.

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Speaker 3: And it makes me think of that great Australian song

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Speaker 3: I still call Australia Home, And I guess how out

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Speaker 3: of date it might be, sing a songwriter who both

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Speaker 3: wrote and performed it, Peter Allen, would be churning in

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Speaker 3: his grave. Now, before we get to Nick Cater himself,

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Speaker 3: let me quote you something that he wrote recently April seven.

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Speaker 3: It's called beyond parody. In November of nineteen ninety seven,

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Speaker 3: Christopher Pearson speculated in a column in the Australian Financial

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Speaker 3: Review on how long the global warming panic would be last.

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Speaker 3: Two decades earlier, global cooling and the coming ice age

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Speaker 3: had caused similar anxiety, yet had been largely forgotten. Perhaps,

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Speaker 3: having safely negotiated the millennium, which is a major cause

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Speaker 3: of all this anxiety, we may collectively surrender to about

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Speaker 3: of unqualified optimism. He wrote that he wrote more I

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Speaker 3: doubt it because the appetite for catastrophe is now highly

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Speaker 3: developed and mass media delight in pandering to it. Pearson's

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Speaker 3: pessimism was well placed. The climate change narrative proved to

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Speaker 3: be exceptionally robust despite its weak empirical foundations. Only now

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Speaker 3: a quarter of the way through the twenty first century

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Speaker 3: and more than a decade after Pearson's untimely death, is

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Speaker 3: the global warming paradigm collapsing under the weight of its

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Speaker 3: own complexity. And after the mail room we shall continue

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Speaker 3: with Well, we'll expand on what I've just quoted with

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Speaker 3: a lot more detail. But note both climate science and

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Speaker 3: medical science have much to answer for, as do some

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Speaker 3: specific individuals in different areas of both.

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Speaker 4: Now, with the.

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Speaker 3: Australian election in mind, back in I'm going to take

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Speaker 3: you back to twenty thirteen, twelve years ago, twelve years

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Speaker 3: The Lucky Culture and the Rise of an Australian Ruling Class,

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Speaker 3: And the author of the book came to New Zealand

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Speaker 3: a ruling class. Nick cat, senior editor at The Australian,

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Speaker 3: Donald Horn wrote The Lucky Country in nineteen sixty four.

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Speaker 3: His belief is that countries don't get lucky.

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Speaker 4: People do.

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Speaker 3: The secret of Australia's good fortune is not found in

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Speaker 3: the Australian character, the nation's greatest renewable resource. The commentator

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Speaker 3: that dream. The author of that review was one Rupert Murdoch. Nick,

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Speaker 3: you must have been very flatted when he wrote that

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes I was. I was quite amazed that he

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Speaker 2: He was very kind about the book and ordered a

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Speaker 2: So I was quite pleased about that. So I think

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Speaker 2: the book, in its way had had quite an influence

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Speaker 3: Now the question is, and the reason that I wanted

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Speaker 3: to quote that was in the twelve years since, what's changed,

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Speaker 3: what has happened that might have denied you the goal

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Speaker 2: I think I've sort of nailed it really with that

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Speaker 2: by which I mean the people that we variously call

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Speaker 2: the elite, the anointed. You know, we got all sorts

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Speaker 2: and both we've come up more recently with the idea

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Speaker 2: that you know, they are the woke people, the woke class.

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Speaker 5: But it's definitely there.

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Speaker 2: And and I remember at the time when I wrote

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Speaker 2: the host was genuinely genuinely confused about what I meant

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Speaker 2: by the elite. He said, aren't you're a member of

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Speaker 2: of the elite, because I'm at that stage I was

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Speaker 2: still have various titles classifive years the elite, because that's

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Speaker 2: that's to misunderstand what I was saying.

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Speaker 5: It's a. It's an attitude of mine.

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Speaker 2: It's whether you think you're there, you know you have

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Speaker 2: how society should be. But they've become very, very power

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Speaker 2: terms of race relations, there was all that stuff going

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Speaker 5: But that I didn't mention in that book.

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Speaker 2: There's no mention whatsoever of same sex marriage. And yet

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Speaker 2: five years later, but at the time twenty twelve, you

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Speaker 2: So they have these kind of crusades and things which

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Speaker 3: Do you think do you think that Obama headed anything

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Speaker 2: He was, Yeah, I don't. I mean, I don't think.

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Speaker 2: My theory is not that they these people an individual

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Speaker 2: they certainly empower people. You know, if Obama parmas, Obama

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Speaker 2: now and a kind of counter revolution against that. You know,

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Speaker 5: You know, those sort of statements.

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Speaker 3: So the title the Lucky Culture it was as you

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Speaker 2: I think I've been writing much more about this division,

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Speaker 2: That's the way people vote. And you've seen in that

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Speaker 2: taken over by this new party. It is a party.

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Speaker 2: They style themselves as community independents, but in every way

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Speaker 2: they are how would you describe them political terms? I mean,

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Speaker 2: But that's because they're very pro say, doing something for

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Speaker 2: the climate. But they sort of styled themselves as a

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Speaker 2: slightly nicer version of the Liberal Party. In fact, there's

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Speaker 2: something quite different than more kinder the Green Party if

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Speaker 2: you look at their voting patterns. But that's that's what's happened,

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Speaker 2: you know. It's it's the old blue collar, solid conservative

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Speaker 2: coalition territory in the inner metropolitan areas has just defected

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Speaker 3: The and the and the the seats that they have

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Speaker 3: in practically every case the top end.

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Speaker 2: Oh, in every case, the top end, it's stark, It's

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Speaker 2: it's absolutely stark. So it seats well if you come

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Speaker 5: You know that.

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Speaker 2: Their average household wealth is probably about twice the national average.

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Speaker 2: And you can imagine what we've been through recently with

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Speaker 2: It thinks in a very different way. Well let's get

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Speaker 3: But you mentioned Coujong and you mentioned Mensis, the Prime

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Speaker 3: we won't waste time on. But what popped into my

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Speaker 2: so he's supporting those people. Well, he's the people that

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Speaker 2: everybody deserves a fair go. And that's an expression which

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Speaker 3: I don't know whether I mentioned this to you, but

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Speaker 3: my grandfather was the mirror of Preston for a period

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Speaker 5: I can't even place Preston.

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Speaker 3: I must I must have been well, I had just

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 4: It was amazing.

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Speaker 3: But what disturbed me the most was that the town hall,

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, no, I've called it up on Google Maps.

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Speaker 2: I can see exactly what you mean. Yes, that doesn't

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Speaker 2: they were but they're not getting ahead. In fact, they're

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Speaker 3: And in many cases disturbing. Now, now let's get down

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Speaker 3: the basics. What are the main issues in this election?

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't I don't know that they're Well, the

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Speaker 2: the climate change. Even actually, interestingly in the till seats

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Speaker 2: these days, they've moved on to other things, so that

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Speaker 3: Certain I think that was a clever strike.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's very clever strike. I haven't looked at how

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Speaker 2: It's a bad thing for people, and it's a bad

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Speaker 2: that's a that's a key policy and a key part

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Speaker 2: hardly a word from them about that this time around.

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Speaker 2: Their two big policies are free dental care.

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Speaker 3: And here comes the good one, folks, free dental care.

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Speaker 3: Which the next one, oh that well, housing, the one

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Speaker 3: And the other one, of course is free university education,

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Speaker 3: they'll never be empowered. Don't you have free university education already?

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Speaker 5: No, No, we don't.

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Speaker 1: We have.

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Speaker 5: We have a were you're smarter than we are, Well,

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Speaker 2: We have a system of loans called the HEX loans,

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Speaker 2: the higher education something. I don't know what it stands

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Speaker 2: You end up with the debt, the hex STET, which

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Speaker 2: They've lost a few working years when they could have been,

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Speaker 2: you know, putting a bit of savings in the bank,

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Speaker 2: and they've got a massive debt.

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Speaker 5: They've got to pay off their hex.

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Speaker 2: Stet, and how on earth can they afford to save

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Speaker 2: to go back to free education. That's surely surely not

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Speaker 3: Well, you've got insane people running the country. In part,

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Speaker 3: let me quote Adam Bant's latest socialist brainchild, The renter's

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Speaker 3: right to solo is the dumbest policy in Australian history.

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Speaker 3: And I'll give you the next sentence. Band obviously thinks

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Speaker 3: that investors are so desperate that they'll invest in the

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Speaker 3: housing regardless of the regulations the Greens will enforce. The

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Speaker 3: Greens will force Elmo to adopt when Adam becomes the

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Speaker 3: Prime alt Minister. Now what does that mean?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, so Labor is not going to win by

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Speaker 2: a majority, although the polls might suggest that they are.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you categorically exclusive to this podcast, that

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Speaker 2: they will not win a majority because the way that

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Speaker 2: the seats fall and the fact that the national swing

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Speaker 2: doesn't really reflect the local mood anymore. So you know,

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Speaker 2: there's a wide variation in spring in swings between different seats.

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Speaker 2: That's what's happening in successive elections here. So you can't

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Speaker 2: take the national swing and say well that's how it's.

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Speaker 5: Going to go.

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Speaker 2: So he'll end up with a minority in Parliament. He

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Speaker 2: will have to lean on the Greens and the Teal

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Speaker 2: MPs who sit on the cross benches to help him.

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Speaker 2: There's a few independents, but they won't be enough. So

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Speaker 2: he's going to be hostage to the Greens that they're

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Speaker 2: going to want to do deals with him, and they're

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Speaker 2: going to want to trade off. They want you know, housing,

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Speaker 2: you know, sort of slap landlords in chains in return

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Speaker 2: for something else, you know.

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Speaker 5: So they're in that territory.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to be it's not going to be pretty,

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Speaker 2: it's not going to be good for the country. It's

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Speaker 2: not going to be good for labor ultimately, because it

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Speaker 2: will mean that the backlash will come against them and

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Speaker 2: we may get a more decisive result against them at

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Speaker 2: the next election. But that's where we're heading. The Greens

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Speaker 2: will be pulling the strings and frighteningly, the big thing,

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Speaker 2: I think, in a way, the most fearsome thing of

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Speaker 2: all that the Greens are driving and is coming from

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Speaker 2: some sections of the Labor Party, is an anti Israel policy.

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Speaker 2: So you know, decades, ever since Israel's creation in the forties,

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Speaker 2: the Australia has always been a solid ally of Israel.

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Speaker 2: We are no longer because the Labor Party has changed

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Speaker 2: our policy and the Greens are even worse. You know,

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Speaker 2: they're really off with the Palestinian extreme line from the.

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Speaker 5: River to the sea. They don't believe.

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Speaker 2: They say Israel has a right to exist, but they

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Speaker 2: don't actors if it does, et cetera, et cetera. So

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Speaker 2: I find that deeply distressing and it's been deeply divisive

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Speaker 2: in this country where we have a very, very very

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Speaker 2: successful Jewish community that have contributed so much to this

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Speaker 2: country and still do so.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be interesting to see how that comes apart,

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Speaker 3: because it must come apart at some stage. Let me

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Speaker 3: ask you where do you think for a new Zealander

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Speaker 3: to go for the best coverage and advice on Australian matters?

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Speaker 3: Where do you suggest that would be? And I'm talking print?

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Speaker 5: Oh, in print?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the Australian is still a solid newspaper.

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Speaker 2: I would work for The Australian for many years as

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Speaker 2: part of the Murder group of companies. Look, it's stayed

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Speaker 2: remarkably solid. You know, the values that it really had

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Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty four and it's established have stayed with

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Speaker 2: it against all the odds. Not many newspapers have done that.

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Speaker 2: So I'd put the Australian in the same league as

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Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal as being a paper that really

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Speaker 2: will give you a reasonably fair and balanced coverage but

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Speaker 2: will not sort of skew wildly to the left as

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Speaker 2: most newspapers do, including yours.

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Speaker 5: Course.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's a good start. Spectator has some good

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Speaker 2: comment and I must express my bias here. I write

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Speaker 2: for all these publications, but the Quadrant magazine, which is

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Speaker 2: a monthly magazine has been going since nineteen fifty six.

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Speaker 2: That's much more of a thoughtful long form magazine with

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Speaker 2: long form essays that I think is going great guns

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Speaker 2: at the moment. I should first all acknowledge the death

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Speaker 2: last week of the former editor, Keith Winshuttle, who was

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Speaker 2: a great man and really got that magazine to where

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Speaker 2: it is now, and the current editor, who is my wife,

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Speaker 2: Rebecca Weier. So I'm deeply conflicted and I should say that.

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Speaker 2: But I think that if you wanted to get an

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Speaker 2: idea of the debate where it's going on crucial issues,

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Speaker 2: Quadrants always a good publication subscribed, is that, And that's

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Speaker 2: probably about it.

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Speaker 5: I mean that you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I find maybe it's just me getting more

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Speaker 2: and more narrow minded, but I find less and less

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Speaker 2: to read in what we used to know as the

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Speaker 2: Fairfax Press, the Sydney Morning Herald and the Age, now

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Speaker 2: owned by nine Newspapers, which is a division of Channel nine,

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Speaker 2: the television company. So you know there's those, there's slimmer

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Speaker 2: and slimmer papers. I haven't adjusted to the to the

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Speaker 2: modern digital world terribly much. The only exception in that

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Speaker 2: stable is the Australian Financial Review, which interestingly is doing

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Speaker 2: better than any of those once great papers that used

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Speaker 2: to be the rivers of gold. The Financial Review is

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Speaker 2: now the strong one because it's providing some you know,

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Speaker 2: a bit more quality information, particularly on business matters. So

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Speaker 2: that's that's about a lot. But it's we're pretty well off. Really,

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Speaker 2: we were certainly compared to New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Well, of course, of course, Well Spectator was what I

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Speaker 3: was goaling for when I asked you the question, because

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Speaker 3: being a weekly publication, and I'm quote from it quite

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Speaker 3: regularly because it's because I think it's so on target.

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Speaker 3: But having said that, let me refer you to because

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Speaker 3: you've raised climate climate issues. This was from the April

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Speaker 3: second edition, the leading of Article Australia. And let's not

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Speaker 3: forget that Spectator now devotes a page to New Zealand

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Speaker 3: pretty much every issue, and I'd like to see more

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Speaker 3: of it anyway. This was from the April second edition. Labor,

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Speaker 3: in cahoots with the Greens and the Teals have introduced

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Speaker 3: mandatory climate reporting laws, where even small businesses and suppliers

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Speaker 3: to larger businesses will be increasingly forced to comply with

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Speaker 3: onerous carbon emissions reporting. The continuation of these laws was

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Speaker 3: reiterated but largely ignored in Treasurer Jim Chalmers budget, despite

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Speaker 3: the devastating impact it'll have on productivity and profit margins

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Speaker 3: across the nation now, Michael Bohm wrote, carrying severe penalties

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Speaker 3: including prison. The new law is aimed at forcing the

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Speaker 3: private sector to meet the government's net zero climate agenda.

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Speaker 3: At the private sectors and ultimately Australian consumers huge cost.

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Speaker 3: The fact that you see we've got we've got a

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Speaker 3: problem here. We've got the National Party as the main

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Speaker 3: party in government. The Minister for Climate Matters is a dope.

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Speaker 3: He's pushing net zero at a time when well so

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Speaker 3: is your government. But it's one of the left, at

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Speaker 3: a time when the rest of the world, with any

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Speaker 3: intelligence is letting it go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean net zero is one of the great

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Speaker 2: projects of the of the anointed ones that you know,

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Speaker 2: the world class that that's and that goes across parties.

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Speaker 2: So doesn't surprise me that you you've unfortunately got somebody

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Speaker 2: who's still going along with that there because of the

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Speaker 2: Conservative Party in Britain got sucked into it under Tony Blair. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: so I'm terribly bloud under under Boris Johnson, of course.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean it's a nonsense and it's it's

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Speaker 2: collapsing all around the world now, not in Australia where

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Speaker 2: we've got a Labor Party which is just so driven

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Speaker 2: by it. It's painful. It's painful for all of us

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Speaker 2: in our electricity bills and that the nutty projects that

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Speaker 2: are getting funded and the amount of Australian countryside that's

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Speaker 2: been ripped up, national parks being ripped up to put

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Speaker 2: windmills and pipelines and everything else.

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Speaker 5: This is nuts.

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Speaker 2: So yes, of course, that's that's that's really disappearing around

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Speaker 2: the world now. European countries are desperately looking for a

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Speaker 2: way out of these commitments that they made and the

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Speaker 2: course of action which they took leaning heavily on unreliable

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Speaker 2: renewable energy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand's are slightly different cases that you've got so

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Speaker 2: much hydro electricity, of course, but that's to get you

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Speaker 2: so far, and you don't want to be going down.

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Speaker 3: We've got we've got everything's going up here, water is

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Speaker 3: going up, power is going up and not just once

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Speaker 3: but more and people are really feeling it. So there's

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Speaker 3: a commonality of issues between Australia and New Zealand, unquestionably.

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Speaker 2: But our housing prices too, I think that's a big

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Speaker 2: issue with you too, and housing availability.

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Speaker 3: Well they're building trash as well. Now, yeah, that's the

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Speaker 3: that's the problem. Now, look, we should get onto the

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Speaker 3: two leaders. And there's been quite a bit of criticism.

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Speaker 3: It was only yesterday that they had the party launch.

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Speaker 2: Your take on it, Well, you're like quick summing up

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Speaker 2: of the two leaders. Antony Alberanezi we know has been

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Speaker 2: in government now for one term for three years. It

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Speaker 2: feels like he's been in government for four terms in

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Speaker 2: the sense that they look look like one of those

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Speaker 2: exhausted governments with no clue known them what to do.

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Speaker 2: But that's just a comment on the But he's a government.

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Speaker 2: What did they do in their first term?

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Speaker 5: I don't know. You tell me.

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Speaker 2: You remember he spent a year and a half with

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Speaker 2: this Voice campaign to get an Aboriginal voice to Parliament,

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Speaker 2: went to a referendum, failed dramatically sixty forty against and

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Speaker 2: so that was his first half of his prime minister

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Speaker 2: first term gone. And since then, well nothing. You can't

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Speaker 2: put your finger at anything he's done, except anything that's helpful,

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Speaker 2: that is, except drivers further and further down this renewable

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Speaker 2: energy path, and disastrously in my view, refusing to look

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Speaker 2: at any other alternative sources of energy. Power stations of

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Speaker 2: collapsing for lack of maintenance because nobody wants to invest

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Speaker 2: in them. It's not a pretty sight. All that's added

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Speaker 2: to inflation. They spent big so spending. Government spending as

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Speaker 2: a proportion of GDP used to be below twenty five

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Speaker 2: percent for really the whole of the century, really, for

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Speaker 2: instance John Howard's day, around twenty four to twenty five percent.

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Speaker 2: Now it's now twenty seven and a bit. So they've

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Speaker 2: pushed up government spending with age by huge amount, by

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Speaker 2: a lot, and on rubbish stuff like they're not spending

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Speaker 2: it on defense that'd be a good thing to do

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Speaker 2: right now, but no, it's it's going on things like

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Speaker 2: the National Disability Insurance Scheme, which is everybody knows it's

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Speaker 2: heavily rotted, but nobody knows how to fix it. And

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Speaker 2: these education we're spending so much on education now per pupil,

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Speaker 2: so we're just yeading.

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Speaker 3: But you're yes, but you're you're sufferings as we have

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Speaker 3: been in both mathematics and literacy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, that simple kind of equation. We're spending probably

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Speaker 2: forty percent more in real terms per child on education

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Speaker 2: these days, but they're doing worse or by international standards

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Speaker 2: than they were ten years ago, twelve years ago. Ye,

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Speaker 2: we're paying more for a worse outcome. You know, if

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Speaker 2: you were a commercial buyer, you'd say, I'm not buying

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Speaker 2: this product anymore. I'm going to look at a different

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Speaker 2: way of doing it. But because government's never worked like that,

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Speaker 2: so yeah, we're stuck with this high spending as in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand would be the biggest challenge for an incoming

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Speaker 2: courlish government to get spending back under control, but while

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Speaker 2: at the same time ramp up our defense spending, which

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Speaker 2: for obvious reasons, has to be done.

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Speaker 3: All right, so you've covered el been easy to some degree.

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Speaker 3: What about Dutton.

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Speaker 2: Dutton is he is a former Queensland policeman. He looks

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Speaker 2: like a form Queensland policeman, he sounds like one, and

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Speaker 2: in public he gives that air. He's actually a deeply intelligent,

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Speaker 2: thinking guy and is on the I suppose you know

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Speaker 2: he's a conservative. He has very conservative values and so

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Speaker 2: forth and policies. But he's done a remarkable job in

651
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Speaker 2: picking up the party after the collapse at the last

652
00:38:27,853 --> 00:38:32,293
Speaker 2: election three years ago, unifying the party room in Canberra

653
00:38:32,493 --> 00:38:37,933
Speaker 2: and remarkably because there haven't been any noticeable splits or leaks,

654
00:38:38,533 --> 00:38:41,413
Speaker 2: and then getting them into a position where, certainly at

655
00:38:41,453 --> 00:38:43,253
Speaker 2: the start of this year there were many people that

656
00:38:43,333 --> 00:38:46,213
Speaker 2: were confident that he would actually win this election. I

657
00:38:46,253 --> 00:38:48,733
Speaker 2: think I was always doubtful about that because of the numbers,

658
00:38:48,773 --> 00:38:52,013
Speaker 2: but he's certainly making a go of it. And if

659
00:38:52,213 --> 00:38:58,573
Speaker 2: Albanez is forced into minority government and the Liberals and

660
00:38:58,893 --> 00:39:02,173
Speaker 2: win a substantial number of seats, as I believe they will,

661
00:39:02,893 --> 00:39:07,213
Speaker 2: particularly in labor areas like in former labor strongholds, then

662
00:39:07,253 --> 00:39:10,053
Speaker 2: he'll have achieved a gal for the party. Even if

663
00:39:10,053 --> 00:39:13,013
Speaker 2: he doesn't become Prime Minister this time around and set

664
00:39:13,053 --> 00:39:16,173
Speaker 2: it up for a win next time. So yeah, I

665
00:39:16,213 --> 00:39:18,413
Speaker 2: think he's he's been great. I mean, people have been

666
00:39:18,533 --> 00:39:21,493
Speaker 2: very sometimes a bit critical of him because he doesn't

667
00:39:21,493 --> 00:39:24,533
Speaker 2: have the sort of he doesn't have the sort of

668
00:39:24,733 --> 00:39:27,733
Speaker 2: drive or that Tony Abbott did in the sense that

669
00:39:27,773 --> 00:39:31,133
Speaker 2: he's not sort of bouncing around the place and speaking,

670
00:39:31,173 --> 00:39:34,573
Speaker 2: and sometimes he does hold back on issues where people

671
00:39:34,573 --> 00:39:38,493
Speaker 2: would like him to speak out. They wanted to be

672
00:39:38,573 --> 00:39:41,813
Speaker 2: more vocal on some of these issues. But one of

673
00:39:41,813 --> 00:39:44,613
Speaker 2: the problems for him at the moment is that the

674
00:39:44,973 --> 00:39:48,773
Speaker 2: Albanezy government keeps wanting to call him Donald Trump for Australia,

675
00:39:49,493 --> 00:39:52,653
Speaker 2: which isn't of course, but that's now become a slur

676
00:39:53,533 --> 00:39:57,293
Speaker 2: among some people, although there's certainly people here, myself included,

677
00:39:57,293 --> 00:39:59,413
Speaker 2: who would like to see a little bit more and

678
00:39:59,533 --> 00:40:03,653
Speaker 2: more of the Trump's style, if not the substance.

679
00:40:03,933 --> 00:40:06,773
Speaker 5: In the Conservative I read.

680
00:40:06,613 --> 00:40:10,253
Speaker 3: Something earlier today that that was going back to net

681
00:40:10,373 --> 00:40:14,573
Speaker 3: zero and he has been Dunman's been reluctant to pursue

682
00:40:14,573 --> 00:40:20,653
Speaker 3: it publicly. I gather I have the opinion that he

683
00:40:20,773 --> 00:40:27,133
Speaker 3: privately is in favor of dumping that zero. Yeah, you

684
00:40:27,173 --> 00:40:29,053
Speaker 3: may be able to confirmed.

685
00:40:28,613 --> 00:40:32,373
Speaker 2: Well, that would be correct, I think, without wishing to

686
00:40:32,413 --> 00:40:37,133
Speaker 2: sort of give his ways secrets. But where the Liberal

687
00:40:37,133 --> 00:40:40,093
Speaker 2: Party landed on this Liberal Parties remember and Malcolm Turmble

688
00:40:40,213 --> 00:40:41,813
Speaker 2: was deeply divided on this.

689
00:40:42,053 --> 00:40:48,613
Speaker 5: Malcolm Turble was all on for the full green economy nonsense.

690
00:40:48,333 --> 00:40:51,613
Speaker 2: And most of his party weren't, so that it was

691
00:40:51,653 --> 00:40:55,893
Speaker 2: the deeply divisive issue in twenty nineteen at that election.

692
00:40:56,733 --> 00:40:57,653
Speaker 5: They came to a.

693
00:40:57,613 --> 00:41:02,053
Speaker 2: Position where they decided, well, we're okay, we will agree

694
00:41:02,453 --> 00:41:05,373
Speaker 2: with we will go along with what we've agreed to

695
00:41:05,373 --> 00:41:09,373
Speaker 2: do in our Paris agreements and international agreements, but we're

696
00:41:09,373 --> 00:41:12,733
Speaker 2: not going to go crazy and if Australian jobs are affected,

697
00:41:12,733 --> 00:41:15,693
Speaker 2: we'll think again. That was the position they came up with,

698
00:41:16,093 --> 00:41:18,493
Speaker 2: and they did that quite deliberately, because when you looked

699
00:41:18,493 --> 00:41:20,853
Speaker 2: at the way the country was split on this issue,

700
00:41:21,133 --> 00:41:23,693
Speaker 2: you had about twenty percent who in you're in my

701
00:41:23,933 --> 00:41:26,773
Speaker 2: camp here saying this is rubbish, let's get out of it.

702
00:41:26,853 --> 00:41:30,253
Speaker 2: You know, there's the evidence for climate change doesn't justify this.

703
00:41:31,013 --> 00:41:34,333
Speaker 2: And then you've got another twenty percent at the other end,

704
00:41:34,333 --> 00:41:36,613
Speaker 2: which are the sort of the whole world's about to

705
00:41:36,653 --> 00:41:39,253
Speaker 2: catch fire, and we've got to hide under our beds

706
00:41:39,253 --> 00:41:41,893
Speaker 2: and what can we do to save the planet. And

707
00:41:41,933 --> 00:41:43,973
Speaker 2: then in the middle you've got sixty percent, which is

708
00:41:44,053 --> 00:41:47,013
Speaker 2: just the ordinary people who think, well, yeah, sounds fair enough.

709
00:41:47,053 --> 00:41:49,813
Speaker 2: We'll go along with it, we'll recycle our rubbish and yes,

710
00:41:49,853 --> 00:41:52,133
Speaker 2: we should do what we can, but let's not go

711
00:41:52,213 --> 00:41:55,773
Speaker 2: bar me. So that's where the Liberal Party is, and

712
00:41:55,813 --> 00:41:59,173
Speaker 2: by doing so, it captures that ground, and I think

713
00:41:59,653 --> 00:42:03,173
Speaker 2: from polling that I've seen, I think it's still that way.

714
00:42:03,253 --> 00:42:06,093
Speaker 2: I think if you came out and said, oh, we

715
00:42:06,173 --> 00:42:08,293
Speaker 2: think climate change is crap and we're going to abandon

716
00:42:08,613 --> 00:42:14,213
Speaker 2: net zero, that would be politically difficult to do right now,

717
00:42:14,253 --> 00:42:18,413
Speaker 2: certainly in some seats in the city seats. So I

718
00:42:18,453 --> 00:42:20,093
Speaker 2: think he's playing it safe really, But.

719
00:42:20,093 --> 00:42:23,373
Speaker 4: Are Bay City seats he's not going to win anyway?

720
00:42:23,693 --> 00:42:26,573
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's right. Some of them we will,

721
00:42:27,253 --> 00:42:30,413
Speaker 2: but we're never going to. You know, I don't think

722
00:42:30,453 --> 00:42:32,533
Speaker 2: it helped us at the last election, signing up for

723
00:42:32,613 --> 00:42:36,493
Speaker 2: net zero, for instance. You know a lot of MPs

724
00:42:36,533 --> 00:42:39,013
Speaker 2: in those kind of seats told me it would, but

725
00:42:39,093 --> 00:42:42,333
Speaker 2: it didn't. Categorically it didn't. We lost those seats to

726
00:42:42,373 --> 00:42:45,813
Speaker 2: the Teals. So yeah, I don't think it's a useful path.

727
00:42:46,973 --> 00:42:49,973
Speaker 2: So he's not going to buy into that yet, I

728
00:42:49,973 --> 00:42:53,413
Speaker 2: think what we're buying into it in practical ways. I

729
00:42:53,453 --> 00:42:57,613
Speaker 2: think in his so he's going to stop all these

730
00:42:57,693 --> 00:43:00,773
Speaker 2: new transmission lines which are costing us a fortune and

731
00:43:00,853 --> 00:43:05,333
Speaker 2: ripping up, you know, areas of farmland and indeed natural

732
00:43:05,453 --> 00:43:08,893
Speaker 2: areas of natural beauty, you know, unspoilt native forest.

733
00:43:09,493 --> 00:43:11,333
Speaker 5: So he's going to be stopping that.

734
00:43:11,613 --> 00:43:14,413
Speaker 2: And in stopping that, then that kind of winds everything

735
00:43:14,493 --> 00:43:16,813
Speaker 2: back anyway, because if you can't have the transmission lines,

736
00:43:16,853 --> 00:43:20,413
Speaker 2: you can't you can't put the new solar farms in,

737
00:43:20,853 --> 00:43:24,573
Speaker 2: the new solar industrial estates, so I prefertical, you can't

738
00:43:24,573 --> 00:43:28,413
Speaker 2: put the new turbines in. So it will pull back

739
00:43:28,453 --> 00:43:31,253
Speaker 2: and we'll move to a much more sensible policy, which

740
00:43:31,373 --> 00:43:34,453
Speaker 2: is gas. In the short term, we're going to get

741
00:43:34,493 --> 00:43:38,333
Speaker 2: a lot of gas going with nuclear. In the long term,

742
00:43:39,053 --> 00:43:43,773
Speaker 2: what is long term? Oh, probably realistically, I guess you'd

743
00:43:43,813 --> 00:43:46,173
Speaker 2: have to say twenty years from now by the time

744
00:43:46,213 --> 00:43:48,013
Speaker 2: we get the first one online, by the time we

745
00:43:48,093 --> 00:43:52,013
Speaker 2: get the regulationary things done. Yeah, it's a bit of

746
00:43:52,053 --> 00:43:54,733
Speaker 2: a myth that the nuclear takes a long time to build,

747
00:43:54,853 --> 00:43:57,773
Speaker 2: you know, it's actually, I think the average worldwide is

748
00:43:57,813 --> 00:44:00,533
Speaker 2: seven and a half years from start to finish. But

749
00:44:00,653 --> 00:44:03,693
Speaker 2: before that you've got all the regulatory and nonsense to

750
00:44:03,693 --> 00:44:07,173
Speaker 2: get through. So that's what takes time, and that takes time.

751
00:44:07,253 --> 00:44:09,813
Speaker 2: Whatever you're doing, it takes time with solar or pumped

752
00:44:09,853 --> 00:44:13,933
Speaker 2: tydro So it is a myth in my view to

753
00:44:13,973 --> 00:44:15,733
Speaker 2: say that it takes too long.

754
00:44:16,653 --> 00:44:18,733
Speaker 5: But what does too long mean? With nuclear?

755
00:44:18,853 --> 00:44:22,053
Speaker 2: I mean I knew this is when New Zealanders obviously

756
00:44:22,253 --> 00:44:25,413
Speaker 2: be moving too. If we put in a nuclear power

757
00:44:25,413 --> 00:44:27,973
Speaker 2: station today, if we were able to start one today,

758
00:44:28,653 --> 00:44:33,573
Speaker 2: it would its life would be eighty years minimum, probably

759
00:44:33,653 --> 00:44:37,373
Speaker 2: ninety years, maybe even one hundred. So that means, let's

760
00:44:37,373 --> 00:44:42,493
Speaker 2: work it out. My granddaughter's great grandchildren or certainly grandchildren

761
00:44:42,653 --> 00:44:46,053
Speaker 2: will be using that electricity from that power station. That's

762
00:44:46,053 --> 00:44:49,253
Speaker 2: the sort of long term investment we really need to make.

763
00:44:50,093 --> 00:44:53,413
Speaker 2: But the other countries are doing it very successfully, but

764
00:44:54,093 --> 00:44:55,813
Speaker 2: we seem to have an aversion to it in this

765
00:44:55,893 --> 00:44:56,613
Speaker 2: part of the world.

766
00:44:56,933 --> 00:45:01,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's worth here on the same subject mining,

767
00:45:02,373 --> 00:45:07,773
Speaker 3: there's gold, and you've had a couple of gold stories

768
00:45:07,773 --> 00:45:12,653
Speaker 3: and companies being prohibited from doing from from digging and

769
00:45:12,773 --> 00:45:15,613
Speaker 3: what have you. But then I read the other day

770
00:45:15,773 --> 00:45:21,293
Speaker 3: something about two of the special minerals, and I couldn't

771
00:45:21,813 --> 00:45:24,773
Speaker 3: I'd not seen either of them before. But Australia apparently

772
00:45:24,853 --> 00:45:29,933
Speaker 3: has a good supply of these two particular minerals. Now,

773
00:45:29,973 --> 00:45:33,613
Speaker 3: who was it that wrote the letter to to Donald Trump?

774
00:45:34,333 --> 00:45:36,133
Speaker 3: When I say the letter to Donald Trump, I think

775
00:45:36,373 --> 00:45:38,973
Speaker 3: it was published in the papers as such, I don't

776
00:45:38,973 --> 00:45:41,693
Speaker 3: think I don't think it was sent to him on

777
00:45:41,773 --> 00:45:44,533
Speaker 3: a personal basis. But it was an argument that was

778
00:45:44,613 --> 00:45:48,373
Speaker 3: laid out about how Trump should treat Australia a little

779
00:45:48,373 --> 00:45:51,733
Speaker 3: differently because you've got a good supply of these two

780
00:45:52,573 --> 00:45:56,573
Speaker 3: very important minerals, and there is America has a shortage

781
00:45:56,613 --> 00:45:59,613
Speaker 3: of them. So, in other words, be kind to your

782
00:45:59,813 --> 00:46:00,573
Speaker 3: next provider.

783
00:46:01,773 --> 00:46:05,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well I think that that makes a lot

784
00:46:05,173 --> 00:46:07,053
Speaker 2: of sense. We've got we've got a lot of almost

785
00:46:07,093 --> 00:46:10,373
Speaker 2: everything here, and we've got got we've got a lot

786
00:46:10,373 --> 00:46:12,853
Speaker 2: of lithium for the batteries. We've got a lot of

787
00:46:12,853 --> 00:46:15,853
Speaker 2: these rare earths. Although they're rare, earths are actually more

788
00:46:15,853 --> 00:46:17,933
Speaker 2: common than you think. The rare doesn't mean they're rare.

789
00:46:17,973 --> 00:46:19,813
Speaker 2: It just means you have to refine a lot of

790
00:46:19,973 --> 00:46:23,773
Speaker 2: dirt before you get to the minerals inside and anyway,

791
00:46:23,773 --> 00:46:26,573
Speaker 2: there's lots there's lots of this stuff here and for

792
00:46:26,693 --> 00:46:30,013
Speaker 2: their modern economy silicon for instance. So if you want

793
00:46:30,053 --> 00:46:35,253
Speaker 2: to if you want to build some good, solid trading

794
00:46:35,333 --> 00:46:39,893
Speaker 2: partnerships that don't enrich China, then yeah, sure we should

795
00:46:39,893 --> 00:46:44,893
Speaker 2: be doing more with the US. You mentioned you mentioned gold. Incidentally,

796
00:46:44,933 --> 00:46:47,813
Speaker 2: that's a real boom trade at the moment between Australia

797
00:46:47,813 --> 00:46:51,053
Speaker 2: and the US because Americans are investing in gold because

798
00:46:51,093 --> 00:46:55,173
Speaker 2: the economics are so uncertain. But you know, there's much

799
00:46:55,213 --> 00:46:57,653
Speaker 2: more we should be able to do. Uranium is the

800
00:46:57,693 --> 00:47:01,453
Speaker 2: big one. Why aren't Well, you know, we have I

801
00:47:01,533 --> 00:47:06,173
Speaker 2: think sixteen percent of the world's uranium known uranium reserves,

802
00:47:06,253 --> 00:47:09,013
Speaker 2: and we only mine about eight percent. We're only contributing

803
00:47:09,053 --> 00:47:12,413
Speaker 2: about eight percent of the world's uranium market. We should

804
00:47:12,453 --> 00:47:16,733
Speaker 2: be opening uranium minds in the Albanezer government blocked one,

805
00:47:17,333 --> 00:47:21,373
Speaker 2: but we should be doing that. I mean, that's the

806
00:47:21,493 --> 00:47:25,373
Speaker 2: US will need uranium. We're all going to need uranium

807
00:47:25,373 --> 00:47:29,093
Speaker 2: as we expand energy generation. Eventually every day I think

808
00:47:29,093 --> 00:47:31,933
Speaker 2: will have to come round to that, and so we're

809
00:47:32,013 --> 00:47:33,893
Speaker 2: key to it. We've got that stuff. We could be

810
00:47:33,933 --> 00:47:37,533
Speaker 2: the Saudi Ira Arabia Iranian, but not really because you

811
00:47:37,573 --> 00:47:40,013
Speaker 2: can get it in Canada and Kazakhstan and other places.

812
00:47:40,053 --> 00:47:42,893
Speaker 2: But we've got you know, we could be very helpful

813
00:47:42,893 --> 00:47:46,213
Speaker 2: trading relationships with the US, secure ones that don't involve

814
00:47:46,213 --> 00:47:47,293
Speaker 2: the Middle East or China.

815
00:47:48,053 --> 00:47:51,333
Speaker 3: I was going to ask you a question about the States.

816
00:47:51,693 --> 00:47:55,053
Speaker 3: I did see something that Victoria might be the big

817
00:47:55,053 --> 00:48:01,373
Speaker 3: decider in the end. But for people, what I've got

818
00:48:01,373 --> 00:48:03,973
Speaker 3: in my mind is people moving from here to Australia

819
00:48:03,973 --> 00:48:07,293
Speaker 3: and they're still leaving in fairly large numbers.

820
00:48:07,333 --> 00:48:08,173
Speaker 5: I believe.

821
00:48:09,493 --> 00:48:13,773
Speaker 3: Queensland is the place that most people go for retirement.

822
00:48:15,373 --> 00:48:18,693
Speaker 3: I think Victoria, for whatever reason, is the place that

823
00:48:19,053 --> 00:48:22,893
Speaker 3: people go to work more Sydney also, of course, and

824
00:48:23,773 --> 00:48:27,933
Speaker 3: other places as well, but I'm talking about the dominant numbers.

825
00:48:28,613 --> 00:48:33,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me give you an update on that. So Queensland. Yeah,

826
00:48:34,573 --> 00:48:39,013
Speaker 2: it's a big retirement statement. It is also a big bustling,

827
00:48:39,053 --> 00:48:42,573
Speaker 2: growing economy. And I would think if you're a New

828
00:48:42,653 --> 00:48:46,293
Speaker 2: Zealander and you're looking for somewhere you're going to find work,

829
00:48:46,613 --> 00:48:49,413
Speaker 2: then I would say Queenstand's a very good place right now.

830
00:48:50,253 --> 00:48:53,453
Speaker 2: One of the factors in that is the Olympics in

831
00:48:53,533 --> 00:48:55,933
Speaker 2: twenty thirty two. Excuse me if I haven't got that

832
00:48:56,053 --> 00:48:59,213
Speaker 2: date right, I haven't focused on it, but where they're

833
00:48:59,213 --> 00:49:02,613
Speaker 2: hosting the Olympics in Brisbane. And this is leading, of course,

834
00:49:03,093 --> 00:49:09,733
Speaker 2: as it does around the world, to massive investments in infrastructure, roads, railways, stadiums.

835
00:49:10,173 --> 00:49:14,133
Speaker 2: So if you're in construction or engineering or any anything

836
00:49:14,173 --> 00:49:17,013
Speaker 2: related to that, then it's a great town to move to.

837
00:49:17,173 --> 00:49:17,533
Speaker 5: Right now.

838
00:49:17,693 --> 00:49:21,053
Speaker 2: My son's an engineer and geo technical engineer and I

839
00:49:21,133 --> 00:49:22,893
Speaker 2: keep telling him to move up there, but he's quite

840
00:49:22,933 --> 00:49:26,893
Speaker 2: happy in Newcastle. So yeah, I mean there is that

841
00:49:26,893 --> 00:49:30,853
Speaker 2: that is going well. It's got a coalition government of

842
00:49:30,893 --> 00:49:34,173
Speaker 2: conservative government that's pulling back, interestingly from a lot of

843
00:49:34,173 --> 00:49:37,213
Speaker 2: the net zero stuff. They're winding back their commitment to

844
00:49:37,253 --> 00:49:41,093
Speaker 2: this stuff. Uh, and we will have to keep the

845
00:49:41,133 --> 00:49:46,293
Speaker 2: coal stations, coal fire out cold fire, coal fired power

846
00:49:46,373 --> 00:49:49,653
Speaker 2: stations going for longer. They've already scrapped one of these

847
00:49:49,653 --> 00:49:52,213
Speaker 2: pumped hydro projects. They should scrap the other, but maybe

848
00:49:52,253 --> 00:49:53,093
Speaker 2: they'll get round of that.

849
00:49:53,173 --> 00:49:53,933
Speaker 5: So yeah.

850
00:49:53,973 --> 00:49:57,533
Speaker 2: So I think Queensland is looking relatively good. New South

851
00:49:57,573 --> 00:50:02,893
Speaker 2: Wales likewise, very strong economy, very probably the most mixed

852
00:50:02,933 --> 00:50:07,933
Speaker 2: economy in the country. So it's resilient and it's it's

853
00:50:07,973 --> 00:50:11,693
Speaker 2: got great infrastructure. Now anybody who hasn't been the Sydney

854
00:50:12,293 --> 00:50:15,653
Speaker 2: recently should come and just ride our Metro, which is

855
00:50:15,653 --> 00:50:20,133
Speaker 2: the most brilliant piece of suburban railway I've been on

856
00:50:20,253 --> 00:50:21,333
Speaker 2: anywhere in the world.

857
00:50:22,533 --> 00:50:24,293
Speaker 4: I've been on it, so I know what you mean.

858
00:50:25,013 --> 00:50:28,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, So and the tunnels, like you know, Sydney used

859
00:50:28,653 --> 00:50:31,213
Speaker 2: to be shocking for traffic. Well now you go just

860
00:50:31,333 --> 00:50:35,133
Speaker 2: drive for kilometer after kilometer underground. I mean, I've been

861
00:50:35,173 --> 00:50:37,973
Speaker 2: going out to Western Sydney a fair bit recently and

862
00:50:38,373 --> 00:50:42,453
Speaker 2: I would spend the first fifteen to twenty kilometers underground,

863
00:50:43,133 --> 00:50:46,013
Speaker 2: you know, doing a very respectable ninety k is an hour,

864
00:50:46,013 --> 00:50:48,613
Speaker 2: whereas before it would have been stop start and traffic lights.

865
00:50:48,653 --> 00:50:52,053
Speaker 2: So Sydney is a great city and New South Wales

866
00:50:52,453 --> 00:50:58,573
Speaker 2: is doing relatively well. And then you get to Victoria

867
00:50:58,933 --> 00:51:03,853
Speaker 2: and it's really going downhill, like big time in every respect.

868
00:51:03,933 --> 00:51:08,413
Speaker 2: It's got the highest debt of any state. It's on

869
00:51:08,413 --> 00:51:13,013
Speaker 2: on lots of measures. It's losing industry, it's losing employment.

870
00:51:14,253 --> 00:51:17,813
Speaker 2: The only thing it's not losing is education. Employment. There

871
00:51:17,933 --> 00:51:21,693
Speaker 2: that a lot of overseas students. The universities are basically

872
00:51:21,733 --> 00:51:25,373
Speaker 2: the big earners in Melbourne these days. So it's a

873
00:51:25,493 --> 00:51:28,573
Speaker 2: very sad and sorry state in many ways, and that's

874
00:51:28,613 --> 00:51:31,133
Speaker 2: why you know, it's been that way under a labor

875
00:51:31,173 --> 00:51:33,573
Speaker 2: government out of Dan Andrews of course are sort of

876
00:51:34,213 --> 00:51:39,413
Speaker 2: the covid ogre. So it's going back to be it's

877
00:51:39,453 --> 00:51:42,733
Speaker 2: swinging back definitely in the Coalition's direction. In the federal election.

878
00:51:42,853 --> 00:51:46,893
Speaker 2: That will mean that they will gain possibly as many

879
00:51:46,933 --> 00:51:49,693
Speaker 2: as five seats there, which is a lot and will

880
00:51:49,733 --> 00:51:52,893
Speaker 2: help done a lot. But they're winning seats interestingly in

881
00:51:52,933 --> 00:51:58,253
Speaker 2: those outer metropolitan places, places like Preston and beyond where

882
00:51:59,053 --> 00:52:01,173
Speaker 2: people are just sick of it and they've been doing

883
00:52:01,253 --> 00:52:05,253
Speaker 2: it tough for the last three years, these seats that

884
00:52:05,253 --> 00:52:08,573
Speaker 2: they've never held, like Carwell is even in play, that's

885
00:52:08,813 --> 00:52:13,013
Speaker 2: round Melbourne Airport and beyond. So yeah, so yeah, there's big,

886
00:52:13,133 --> 00:52:17,373
Speaker 2: big change there. There'll be sweets seats go to the

887
00:52:17,413 --> 00:52:20,533
Speaker 2: Coalition in New South Wales to a similar kind of areas.

888
00:52:21,573 --> 00:52:23,973
Speaker 2: But Victoria is going to be the big mover, so

889
00:52:24,013 --> 00:52:26,933
Speaker 2: that that gets some some gets done in some way

890
00:52:28,013 --> 00:52:32,733
Speaker 2: towards it. Tasmania, well it's Tasmay who is Tasmania, But

891
00:52:32,773 --> 00:52:37,493
Speaker 2: it's it's doing okay and reasonably okay as a state.

892
00:52:37,693 --> 00:52:39,973
Speaker 2: So that's lot of a head place to be either.

893
00:52:40,253 --> 00:52:43,693
Speaker 2: And South Australia is always South Australia. It's always about

894
00:52:43,733 --> 00:52:45,933
Speaker 2: to chance on the next big thing and never actually

895
00:52:45,973 --> 00:52:49,693
Speaker 2: does you know it's it's it's becoming more and more

896
00:52:49,773 --> 00:52:53,453
Speaker 2: kind of government town in you know, the government expenditure

897
00:52:53,493 --> 00:52:57,413
Speaker 2: on public servants and other publicly funded jobs is big.

898
00:52:57,573 --> 00:53:01,333
Speaker 2: Is the big earner there, and yeah, there's nothing much

899
00:53:01,333 --> 00:53:02,133
Speaker 2: else in side.

900
00:53:02,253 --> 00:53:04,013
Speaker 4: So I take it. I take it. It's a it's

901
00:53:04,373 --> 00:53:05,573
Speaker 4: a labor government.

902
00:53:06,693 --> 00:53:08,693
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, went back to that. I had one term

903
00:53:08,733 --> 00:53:12,813
Speaker 2: of coalition government, not very successful at all under Stephen Marshall,

904
00:53:14,293 --> 00:53:19,173
Speaker 2: and it's now back to a very good peterman. Anawskis

905
00:53:19,293 --> 00:53:22,333
Speaker 2: is the premier. He's a very good premiere, well respected

906
00:53:22,373 --> 00:53:25,653
Speaker 2: by the business community, much much more to the right

907
00:53:25,933 --> 00:53:29,333
Speaker 2: of the Labor Party and much more sensible and less radical.

908
00:53:29,573 --> 00:53:32,573
Speaker 2: And he is for nuclear. Incidentally, he's said so a

909
00:53:32,653 --> 00:53:34,773
Speaker 2: number of times. He doesn't say so too much because

910
00:53:34,773 --> 00:53:37,013
Speaker 2: that puts him at odds with the federal Labor government

911
00:53:37,013 --> 00:53:39,853
Speaker 2: and they don't like that. But he would jump on

912
00:53:39,893 --> 00:53:43,213
Speaker 2: board with nuclear right away, with one of the biggest

913
00:53:43,813 --> 00:53:47,373
Speaker 2: uranium right mines is in South Australia, so yeah, there's

914
00:53:47,413 --> 00:53:50,453
Speaker 2: there's great potentially in South Australia. As always, it's always

915
00:53:50,493 --> 00:53:53,053
Speaker 2: a state of potential. And then WA, which is you know,

916
00:53:53,093 --> 00:53:56,173
Speaker 2: the economic engine room of the country. Won't you won't

917
00:53:56,173 --> 00:54:00,173
Speaker 2: be able to work in WA and but they swung

918
00:54:01,213 --> 00:54:04,493
Speaker 2: dramatically to Labor at the last election, even though the

919
00:54:04,573 --> 00:54:10,773
Speaker 2: coalition has much more mining friendly policy is so one

920
00:54:10,813 --> 00:54:12,333
Speaker 2: of the big issues there at the moment is the

921
00:54:12,333 --> 00:54:17,013
Speaker 2: Browse Basin, which is its massive offshore gas reserve off

922
00:54:17,013 --> 00:54:21,853
Speaker 2: the Northwest coast, and that's reaching the end of its life.

923
00:54:22,173 --> 00:54:25,293
Speaker 2: It needs an extension. It needs legislation to allow it

924
00:54:25,333 --> 00:54:29,733
Speaker 2: to go for another thirty years and the Labor government

925
00:54:29,853 --> 00:54:33,093
Speaker 2: is sitting on that. It has not agreed to give it.

926
00:54:33,093 --> 00:54:35,613
Speaker 2: It doesn't really want to because there's lots of opposition

927
00:54:35,693 --> 00:54:40,893
Speaker 2: from greenees for absolutely stupid reasons. Liberals Dunton has committed

928
00:54:40,933 --> 00:54:43,093
Speaker 2: to do that within thirty days are coming to power,

929
00:54:43,133 --> 00:54:46,573
Speaker 2: so I think in way Libs will probably pick up

930
00:54:46,573 --> 00:54:50,973
Speaker 2: a seat or two, but they won't do remarkably well there.

931
00:54:51,733 --> 00:54:54,093
Speaker 2: So yeah, you can see around the country where we'll

932
00:54:54,133 --> 00:54:56,413
Speaker 2: pick up some seats and hopefully that's a bit of

933
00:54:56,453 --> 00:54:59,813
Speaker 2: a guide. Also to the state of the States in

934
00:54:59,853 --> 00:55:00,133
Speaker 2: a way.

935
00:55:00,293 --> 00:55:03,213
Speaker 3: Well, you didn't cover Northern Territory. I know it's not

936
00:55:03,253 --> 00:55:07,053
Speaker 3: a state, but just Center helped me out.

937
00:55:07,213 --> 00:55:11,773
Speaker 2: Just Center in Napajinta Price Senator.

938
00:55:13,573 --> 00:55:16,893
Speaker 3: I noted on television yesterday she was referred to as

939
00:55:16,933 --> 00:55:22,293
Speaker 3: the best speaker by far in the party, in the

940
00:55:22,333 --> 00:55:23,933
Speaker 3: in the coalition.

941
00:55:25,253 --> 00:55:29,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, well she I think she she really came to

942
00:55:29,213 --> 00:55:33,733
Speaker 2: prominence with the Voice Aboriginal Voice to Parliament referendum she

943
00:55:33,813 --> 00:55:38,133
Speaker 2: opposed and she gave the Liberal Party in the National

944
00:55:38,133 --> 00:55:40,733
Speaker 2: Party of the confidence to oppose it to and I

945
00:55:40,773 --> 00:55:43,613
Speaker 2: think I think she was she was the turning point

946
00:55:43,653 --> 00:55:46,093
Speaker 2: in that debate. She is a remarkable woman. She's just

947
00:55:46,173 --> 00:55:51,493
Speaker 2: written a biography which I haven't read. I must read it,

948
00:55:52,333 --> 00:55:55,293
Speaker 2: which everybody tells me is fantastic. It's about this terrible

949
00:55:56,333 --> 00:56:01,173
Speaker 2: upbringing she she had in an Aboriginal community in in

950
00:56:01,173 --> 00:56:04,853
Speaker 2: in the Northern Territory. You know, the long history of

951
00:56:04,893 --> 00:56:08,973
Speaker 2: family violence, murdered, death, horrible things. But she risen from

952
00:56:08,973 --> 00:56:12,973
Speaker 2: that to become the great champion. I think for for

953
00:56:13,293 --> 00:56:14,453
Speaker 2: all Australians.

954
00:56:14,493 --> 00:56:15,853
Speaker 5: She would say she would score us.

955
00:56:15,853 --> 00:56:18,533
Speaker 2: So she doesn't think of herself as a champion for

956
00:56:18,613 --> 00:56:22,173
Speaker 2: Aboriginal Australian. She's a champion for all Australians. So's she's

957
00:56:22,293 --> 00:56:25,893
Speaker 2: great and she's a senator from there, and we'd like

958
00:56:25,973 --> 00:56:27,773
Speaker 2: we would like to see more of her. We would

959
00:56:27,773 --> 00:56:29,613
Speaker 2: definitely like to see more of her on the platform.

960
00:56:29,653 --> 00:56:33,053
Speaker 2: And I think Dunton's gradually bringing her into it more

961
00:56:33,093 --> 00:56:37,213
Speaker 2: and more. And but this in Northern Territory has a

962
00:56:37,253 --> 00:56:40,653
Speaker 2: great future, if any if only we could introduce capitalism

963
00:56:40,773 --> 00:56:43,853
Speaker 2: to it. Really, you know, much of the state is

964
00:56:43,893 --> 00:56:47,173
Speaker 2: really not capitalist. World is run by the government and

965
00:56:47,293 --> 00:56:51,613
Speaker 2: government housing and you can't open up anything any kind

966
00:56:51,653 --> 00:56:55,173
Speaker 2: of business without government permission, and it's really locked into

967
00:56:55,213 --> 00:56:59,973
Speaker 2: that mindset. But Northern Territory, I believe, watch it go

968
00:57:00,533 --> 00:57:04,413
Speaker 2: once they open up the Beterloop Basin gas field, which

969
00:57:04,493 --> 00:57:08,013
Speaker 2: is massive, not just gas but oil. Incidentally, if they

970
00:57:08,053 --> 00:57:12,893
Speaker 2: want to go there and this, this would transform the

971
00:57:12,933 --> 00:57:14,933
Speaker 2: Northern Territory. If we let, if we did the drill

972
00:57:14,973 --> 00:57:18,373
Speaker 2: baby draw philosophy, that will transform the Northern Territory and

973
00:57:18,453 --> 00:57:21,573
Speaker 2: die we will be the new Dallas. In my in

974
00:57:21,613 --> 00:57:22,693
Speaker 2: my in my belief.

975
00:57:22,773 --> 00:57:25,293
Speaker 4: But the two word a two word comment.

976
00:57:25,213 --> 00:57:29,133
Speaker 2: Do it exactly exactly look it's very exciting. I have

977
00:57:29,253 --> 00:57:32,213
Speaker 2: been up there and seen some of the trest test

978
00:57:32,253 --> 00:57:34,693
Speaker 2: drilling that's going on, and it's just you just go, what,

979
00:57:34,893 --> 00:57:37,613
Speaker 2: You've got that much oil and gas under under here

980
00:57:37,653 --> 00:57:43,533
Speaker 2: and relatively easily extracted, and we're using modern tracking technology

981
00:57:44,093 --> 00:57:46,093
Speaker 2: and get it on the boats, get it down or here.

982
00:57:46,173 --> 00:57:48,973
Speaker 2: We'll solve our energy crisis in one fell swoop.

983
00:57:49,453 --> 00:57:52,093
Speaker 3: Nick, just a quick comment on immigration, is that is

984
00:57:52,133 --> 00:57:53,573
Speaker 3: that likely to be an issue?

985
00:57:54,533 --> 00:57:57,333
Speaker 2: It's a massive issue with people here. It's a huge issue,

986
00:57:57,533 --> 00:58:00,693
Speaker 2: i'd say, you know, in terms of issues cost living,

987
00:58:00,693 --> 00:58:03,573
Speaker 2: cost living, cost live, and then probably energy and immigration.

988
00:58:03,893 --> 00:58:08,053
Speaker 2: Immigration though is is it's not the people don't want

989
00:58:08,093 --> 00:58:10,813
Speaker 2: my We are a country of migrants. We're really accepting

990
00:58:10,853 --> 00:58:14,813
Speaker 2: of them. We've got you know, most of them. Almost

991
00:58:14,853 --> 00:58:18,453
Speaker 2: everyone settles in eventually and becomes a great Australian citizen

992
00:58:18,493 --> 00:58:22,253
Speaker 2: in my experiences. Some who don't, of course, But yeah,

993
00:58:22,453 --> 00:58:24,413
Speaker 2: not that we don't want them. It's just to we're going, well,

994
00:58:24,413 --> 00:58:26,973
Speaker 2: this is just nuts. It's bringing in more than a

995
00:58:26,973 --> 00:58:31,853
Speaker 2: million migrants under the Albanesi government. We're not building you know,

996
00:58:31,933 --> 00:58:34,853
Speaker 2: three hundred thousand homes. It's probably what we'd need to

997
00:58:34,893 --> 00:58:37,453
Speaker 2: do to keep up, So they're adding to the housing

998
00:58:37,493 --> 00:58:39,053
Speaker 2: pressure and that's causing resentment.

999
00:58:40,093 --> 00:58:45,093
Speaker 3: Have you considered that's Albanesi might be doing that for

1000
00:58:45,133 --> 00:58:46,773
Speaker 3: the same reason that Biden did.

1001
00:58:46,813 --> 00:58:48,853
Speaker 4: And that's to that's to Rea.

1002
00:58:48,853 --> 00:58:49,613
Speaker 5: What's the word away.

1003
00:58:50,173 --> 00:58:53,373
Speaker 2: Look, it's a theory, but I don't think it doesn't

1004
00:58:53,493 --> 00:58:56,413
Speaker 2: Like as with Trump, it doesn't work because migrants are

1005
00:58:56,493 --> 00:59:00,733
Speaker 2: not rusted on labor voters anymore, even if they ever were,

1006
00:59:01,013 --> 00:59:04,173
Speaker 2: you know, they are not. The Indian community, for instance,

1007
00:59:04,253 --> 00:59:06,813
Speaker 2: is now. You know, if you if you look at

1008
00:59:06,813 --> 00:59:10,213
Speaker 2: an area, if you're if you're a part conservative MP,

1009
00:59:10,293 --> 00:59:12,133
Speaker 2: and you see there's a lot of Indians in an area,

1010
00:59:12,213 --> 00:59:14,413
Speaker 2: you go, oh, great, that'll be a good one. Because

1011
00:59:14,413 --> 00:59:17,813
Speaker 2: the Indians are very into the democratic process and they

1012
00:59:17,933 --> 00:59:22,013
Speaker 2: understand it well and they're largely well, there's you know,

1013
00:59:22,013 --> 00:59:24,133
Speaker 2: a lot of them are small business owners. They certainly

1014
00:59:24,173 --> 00:59:27,613
Speaker 2: want the kids to have an education, and they're conservative.

1015
00:59:27,693 --> 00:59:32,213
Speaker 2: You know, they've got family values. They don't like stuff

1016
00:59:32,253 --> 00:59:35,213
Speaker 2: like same sex marriage and all this stuff. So they

1017
00:59:35,213 --> 00:59:39,893
Speaker 2: are naturally on our side of politics. And I think

1018
00:59:39,933 --> 00:59:44,133
Speaker 2: this is absolutely true right across even with the Muslim community,

1019
00:59:44,133 --> 00:59:47,653
Speaker 2: which has been for a long time. We thought that

1020
00:59:47,733 --> 00:59:50,453
Speaker 2: was just rusted onto labor. Well they're peeling away from

1021
00:59:50,533 --> 00:59:53,413
Speaker 2: labor now big time. And I was out in the

1022
00:59:53,453 --> 00:59:57,413
Speaker 2: western suburbs with a candidate for the Coalition who is

1023
00:59:57,453 --> 01:00:00,933
Speaker 2: a Muslim. Actually he has about fifteen percent Muslim in

1024
01:00:00,933 --> 01:00:03,093
Speaker 2: his area, and I said to him, well, what's the

1025
01:00:03,093 --> 01:00:07,133
Speaker 2: big issue right now for your Islamic voters and he said,

1026
01:00:07,413 --> 01:00:10,853
Speaker 2: we'll cost are living. Course, like they're no different, and

1027
01:00:10,893 --> 01:00:14,093
Speaker 2: they're small business owners and they're very doing very well,

1028
01:00:14,133 --> 01:00:18,053
Speaker 2: a lot of them and even set up their own charities,

1029
01:00:18,093 --> 01:00:22,413
Speaker 2: and they're great people. Really, they've just been Our impression

1030
01:00:22,453 --> 01:00:25,733
Speaker 2: of them has been badly skewed by about the ten

1031
01:00:25,773 --> 01:00:31,133
Speaker 2: percent radical minority, so you know who support Hamas and

1032
01:00:31,173 --> 01:00:34,773
Speaker 2: all those extremist things. So but that's really only about

1033
01:00:34,773 --> 01:00:37,813
Speaker 2: that ten percent. So it's like saying, you don't judge

1034
01:00:37,813 --> 01:00:42,333
Speaker 2: the Islamic community by those nutcases any more than you

1035
01:00:42,493 --> 01:00:46,653
Speaker 2: judge Melbourne by the green MP Adam Banto holds the seat.

1036
01:00:46,693 --> 01:00:48,773
Speaker 2: You know, It's it's just not like that.

1037
01:00:49,693 --> 01:00:54,213
Speaker 3: Not a different note. You wrote a piece on BP

1038
01:00:54,893 --> 01:00:58,733
Speaker 3: the petrol company. Yes, can you summarize it for us

1039
01:00:58,733 --> 01:01:01,093
Speaker 3: in three minutes or four minutes or five minutes.

1040
01:01:01,173 --> 01:01:05,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, British petroleum as they became in the fifties, been

1041
01:01:05,813 --> 01:01:07,453
Speaker 2: going since the start of the centially one of the

1042
01:01:07,493 --> 01:01:10,493
Speaker 2: most successful all companies in the world, right, going from

1043
01:01:10,493 --> 01:01:15,573
Speaker 2: about in the twentieth century and then and then when

1044
01:01:15,653 --> 01:01:18,653
Speaker 2: Tony Blair came to power in the late nineteen nineties

1045
01:01:18,653 --> 01:01:22,213
Speaker 2: and Britain was going all sort of modern and Tony

1046
01:01:22,253 --> 01:01:26,533
Speaker 2: Blairish BP was one of the first companies to come

1047
01:01:26,573 --> 01:01:29,533
Speaker 2: out and say, well, we're going green. And they changed

1048
01:01:29,533 --> 01:01:32,413
Speaker 2: their logo. You might remember they had a yellow shield

1049
01:01:32,493 --> 01:01:34,293
Speaker 2: and yellow and green shield and they changed it to

1050
01:01:34,333 --> 01:01:37,253
Speaker 2: this sort of flower and the words BP. They let

1051
01:01:37,333 --> 01:01:41,053
Speaker 2: us BEP shrunk in this logo and went down to lowercase.

1052
01:01:41,693 --> 01:01:42,573
Speaker 5: They didn't like.

1053
01:01:44,013 --> 01:01:47,693
Speaker 2: Being called British Petroleum, so they started to call themselves

1054
01:01:47,773 --> 01:01:51,053
Speaker 2: Beyond Petroleum and they were going to get into renewable

1055
01:01:51,173 --> 01:01:54,533
Speaker 2: energy and everything and save the planet. And there was

1056
01:01:54,773 --> 01:01:59,133
Speaker 2: groundbreaking in the late nineties and early two thousands. Well

1057
01:01:59,133 --> 01:02:05,013
Speaker 2: what happened, you know, share prices went down. They also

1058
01:02:05,133 --> 01:02:08,173
Speaker 2: had a couple of big disasters, if you remember, big

1059
01:02:08,333 --> 01:02:11,453
Speaker 2: bus and people killed, and that was because they hadn't

1060
01:02:11,493 --> 01:02:14,173
Speaker 2: put money into oil maintenance, because they thought the oil

1061
01:02:14,413 --> 01:02:16,933
Speaker 2: bit of their business was dying. And they wouldn't waste

1062
01:02:16,973 --> 01:02:20,973
Speaker 2: money on maintaining it. So oil and gas, so they

1063
01:02:21,013 --> 01:02:24,213
Speaker 2: were going big time into renewables. Well, it was absolute disaster.

1064
01:02:24,253 --> 01:02:27,813
Speaker 2: It was twenty five years of hemorrhaging profits. They should

1065
01:02:27,853 --> 01:02:30,373
Speaker 2: call instead of beyond petroleum, they should have been called

1066
01:02:30,373 --> 01:02:34,013
Speaker 2: beyond profit at that point. But they've turned around. They've

1067
01:02:34,133 --> 01:02:37,933
Speaker 2: now seen the light and they've they've said we're not

1068
01:02:37,933 --> 01:02:40,693
Speaker 2: going to do that anymore, dropping our twenty thirty clean

1069
01:02:40,813 --> 01:02:44,413
Speaker 2: energy goals and we're getting back to drilling. We're going

1070
01:02:44,453 --> 01:02:47,973
Speaker 2: back to our basic business. And I think that's great.

1071
01:02:47,973 --> 01:02:50,053
Speaker 2: It shows the way a lot of these corporates are going.

1072
01:02:50,133 --> 01:02:53,333
Speaker 2: They're waking up to this nonsense now and just getting

1073
01:02:53,373 --> 01:02:56,213
Speaker 2: on with things. But I just it took twenty five

1074
01:02:56,293 --> 01:02:58,413
Speaker 2: years for them to realize that. Twenty five years with

1075
01:02:58,773 --> 01:03:02,653
Speaker 2: the share price tanking and everybody's saying how badly they're performing,

1076
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Speaker 2: But it took them all that time before they realized

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Speaker 2: that they had to change course. And I think that

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Speaker 2: as Peace are writing quadrant on this, it shows the

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Speaker 2: strength of this climate change narrative, this sort of almost

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Speaker 2: religious narrative that nobody dares resist, even though in practice

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01:03:19,573 --> 01:03:21,733
Speaker 2: it turns out bad but it does show that things

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Speaker 2: change eventually, and I think this is what's happening in

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Speaker 2: slowly in Australia, certainly in the US and Europe. People

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Speaker 2: are realizing that this green dream isn't working and we're

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Speaker 2: just going to get a bit more grounded in the

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Speaker 2: way we deal with the energy policy and the environment.

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Speaker 4: Well said.

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Speaker 3: So as a conclusion, a very quick prediction for the outcome.

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Speaker 2: I can confidently say will be a hung parliament, no

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Speaker 2: clear majority, and will almost certainly be in Labour's favor.

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Speaker 2: So Labor will form the next government with the help

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Speaker 2: of Greens, Teals and Independence, and Albinizi will come out.

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Speaker 2: He'll look, he'll feel triumphant, but it won't be a

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01:04:11,453 --> 01:04:15,093
Speaker 2: triumphant victory. It'll be very split victory. Country will not

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Speaker 2: be behind him. He won't have a clear mandate for

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Speaker 2: anything except just sitting in Curably House for the next

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Speaker 2: three years.

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Speaker 5: So that's that's the outlook.

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Speaker 2: Really, he's not very exciting or enticing.

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Speaker 4: An early election the next one.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's see. I think they're averse to early elections

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Speaker 2: in principle. I think now I think he would he'll

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01:04:38,253 --> 01:04:42,013
Speaker 2: muddle through in some way for three years. I don't

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01:04:42,053 --> 01:04:45,453
Speaker 2: think there's any doubt about that. But what he has

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01:04:45,533 --> 01:04:48,013
Speaker 2: to trade off in terms of good policy to do

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Speaker 2: so is another thing. And what state the country is in?

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01:04:52,973 --> 01:04:56,653
Speaker 2: What state? Yeah, it doesn't be a thinking about really,

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Speaker 2: but anyway, we'll just have to get on with it.

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Speaker 3: Will be after the election we'll do another another shorter

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01:05:04,013 --> 01:05:06,973
Speaker 3: podcast than this, but just to cover off things. How

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01:05:07,013 --> 01:05:09,293
Speaker 3: they how they went, and with I might go from there.

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Speaker 2: Good on you like always good to talk to, and

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Speaker 2: I'll look forward. I will have egg on my face

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01:05:14,893 --> 01:05:17,733
Speaker 2: or otherwise, we'll see great to.

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Speaker 3: Talk to you, and I appreciate it as always, and

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Speaker 3: we'll talk to them. It's a pleasure. Now before we

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01:05:38,573 --> 01:05:40,293
Speaker 3: get to the mail room, there was something I meant

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Speaker 3: to do at the top of the program, and having

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Speaker 3: failed to remember that, I'm going to insert it here.

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Speaker 3: I want to refer you to an article that I

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01:05:50,493 --> 01:05:53,973
Speaker 3: insist you must read. There's no other way I can

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01:05:54,013 --> 01:05:56,853
Speaker 3: put it. It is a must read. I have a

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Speaker 3: in my head. I have a collection of authors in

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Speaker 3: this country who I consider to be the best. I'm

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01:06:04,973 --> 01:06:07,533
Speaker 3: not going to break them up, but there is a

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Speaker 3: collection of them at the top, not many, but a

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Speaker 3: few and one of them is Anthony Willie, retired judge,

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Speaker 3: and Anthony Willy has penned the piece that it comes

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01:06:20,613 --> 01:06:26,853
Speaker 3: from ENZCPR dot com, NZCPR dot com Muriel Newman's website.

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01:06:27,453 --> 01:06:31,013
Speaker 3: It's entitled there are none so blind as those who

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01:06:31,053 --> 01:06:34,413
Speaker 3: will not see, and it covers a number of areas

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01:06:35,013 --> 01:06:38,253
Speaker 3: that are concerning much, if not most, of the country

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Speaker 3: at the moment. And it is probably the best article

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Speaker 3: I've seen for well some considerable time on this particular

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01:06:45,773 --> 01:06:49,733
Speaker 3: area especially. Let me just give you an idea. Here

1136
01:06:49,773 --> 01:06:56,773
Speaker 3: are some subheadings separatist, marianfiltration, public land ownership, coastal marine,

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01:06:56,853 --> 01:07:05,653
Speaker 3: title partnership, language, education, the rule of law, democracy, These

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01:07:05,653 --> 01:07:10,853
Speaker 3: are all subheadings and political courage. And somewhere in there

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01:07:10,893 --> 01:07:15,613
Speaker 3: there is another one that and here it is science.

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01:07:16,413 --> 01:07:20,813
Speaker 3: It's the shortest one of all the others run different lengths.

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01:07:21,093 --> 01:07:25,733
Speaker 3: This one Science runs three lines, and properly, that's all

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01:07:25,773 --> 01:07:29,773
Speaker 3: that's needed. The legacy of hundreds of years of fact

1143
01:07:29,813 --> 01:07:33,893
Speaker 3: based science is being devalued by attempts to introduce Maori

1144
01:07:33,973 --> 01:07:40,333
Speaker 3: spiritual values and experiences. Scientists are being deplatformed for speaking out.

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Speaker 3: That's it, doesn't it whet your appetite. Now after the

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01:07:45,213 --> 01:07:48,693
Speaker 3: mail room, I'm going to extend the discussion on that

1147
01:07:48,853 --> 01:07:52,853
Speaker 3: area of science, not from Anthony Willie, but from elsewhere.

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01:07:53,453 --> 01:07:56,293
Speaker 3: But this article is one that you really must go

1149
01:07:56,813 --> 01:08:01,813
Speaker 3: and find and read NZCPR dot com. Anthony Willie, there

1150
01:08:01,853 --> 01:08:05,013
Speaker 3: are none so blind as those who will not see.

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Speaker 3: I leave it with you, Layton Smith, now business producer.

1152
01:08:09,853 --> 01:08:13,173
Speaker 3: We are here for podcast number two hundred and eighty.

1153
01:08:13,733 --> 01:08:16,653
Speaker 3: We'll get the three hundred mIRC before much longer. Obviously,

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01:08:17,453 --> 01:08:18,133
Speaker 3: are you good today?

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Speaker 1: Late?

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01:08:18,733 --> 01:08:20,973
Speaker 4: And I'm great? Why do I keep us as usual

1157
01:08:21,253 --> 01:08:22,853
Speaker 4: as always? Life is good?

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01:08:23,053 --> 01:08:27,653
Speaker 6: Go, Christine says regarding your interview with Professor James Allen.

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01:08:27,773 --> 01:08:30,733
Speaker 6: I'm just listening to your interview with James. It made

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01:08:30,813 --> 01:08:33,173
Speaker 6: me smile, as what Trump is really doing is the

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01:08:33,213 --> 01:08:37,373
Speaker 6: greatest reset, taking the opposite direction of the WEF and

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01:08:37,613 --> 01:08:41,573
Speaker 6: Grant Robertson's the great reset. I hope the American people

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01:08:41,613 --> 01:08:43,893
Speaker 6: have the strength to keep the faith and let Trump

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01:08:43,973 --> 01:08:47,093
Speaker 6: get on with the job. God bless Donald Trump and

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01:08:47,213 --> 01:08:49,693
Speaker 6: help him succeed. Kind regards to you both.

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Speaker 3: That's from Chris Chris Well stated, I believe thank you

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01:08:54,613 --> 01:08:58,493
Speaker 3: now from Michael Interesting Matt bargoldas a podcast to sevenate

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01:08:58,533 --> 01:09:02,453
Speaker 3: the message or the messenger dilemma. And he refers to

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01:09:02,733 --> 01:09:06,893
Speaker 3: me and says, you, as an old time broadcaster, well

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01:09:06,933 --> 01:09:11,053
Speaker 3: well know the value of the voice. It used to

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01:09:11,093 --> 01:09:14,933
Speaker 3: be a prerequisite on radio. Matt Magalis may write well,

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01:09:15,013 --> 01:09:17,933
Speaker 3: but his vocal delivery is poor. In spite of your efforts,

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01:09:18,653 --> 01:09:21,253
Speaker 3: des Gorman had the two of the four strong, clear,

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01:09:21,333 --> 01:09:27,013
Speaker 3: direct and uncluttered. Oh well, I don't know quite where

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Speaker 3: he's going with this a reflection on the judicial takeover

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01:09:31,093 --> 01:09:34,373
Speaker 3: attempts both here in France and the USA. When I

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01:09:34,493 --> 01:09:39,533
Speaker 3: was young, opposition groups merely assassinated their undesirables, such as Kennedy.

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Speaker 4: Is this progress? Also?

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01:09:41,933 --> 01:09:44,093
Speaker 3: When we were young, we threw out the old, ushered

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Speaker 3: in the new, and through hell and high water, we

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01:09:47,013 --> 01:09:52,133
Speaker 3: enjoyed our lives. We are both now old. You're assuming

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01:09:52,173 --> 01:09:53,893
Speaker 3: a lot. You know, you're only as old as you feel.

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01:09:53,973 --> 01:09:57,533
Speaker 3: Maybe you feel older than I do. We are both

1184
01:09:57,613 --> 01:10:01,413
Speaker 3: now old, but wiser but older. We are being thrown out.

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01:10:01,853 --> 01:10:04,693
Speaker 3: I don't think so. What is the real reason here?

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01:10:05,693 --> 01:10:07,733
Speaker 3: Give me the courage to change the things I can,

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01:10:08,573 --> 01:10:10,533
Speaker 3: the grace to accept the things I cannot, and the

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01:10:10,573 --> 01:10:12,613
Speaker 3: wisdom to know the difference. Now, I got to go

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01:10:12,653 --> 01:10:17,013
Speaker 3: back and say, as far as Matt was concerned, it

1190
01:10:17,053 --> 01:10:18,933
Speaker 3: was a day that I don't think I mentioned this,

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01:10:19,533 --> 01:10:22,893
Speaker 3: but there was chaos and we didn't resolve the chaos

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01:10:23,293 --> 01:10:28,493
Speaker 3: until two minutes before recording time, like it was two

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Speaker 3: minutes to nine, and at three minutes past nine, this

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01:10:33,253 --> 01:10:38,013
Speaker 3: is before I'd actually got to him. Missus producer had

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Speaker 3: a text, are we still on today?

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Speaker 4: Anyway?

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Speaker 3: By the time she got here with the text, we

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01:10:44,013 --> 01:10:47,853
Speaker 3: were already underway. But it was that the problem continued,

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Speaker 3: I should say, and it was a recording problem, and

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Speaker 3: it was a recording problem at outside the outside the studio,

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01:10:55,213 --> 01:10:59,333
Speaker 3: so that things worked here fine, but the voice coming

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01:10:59,373 --> 01:11:02,093
Speaker 3: in didn't. And I have to say it was a

1203
01:11:02,093 --> 01:11:06,533
Speaker 3: lot worse than you realized, Michael, because the talented technician

1204
01:11:06,653 --> 01:11:10,253
Speaker 3: who took to it proved it dramatically. But we got

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01:11:10,253 --> 01:11:12,533
Speaker 3: there and I think everybody understood what he had to say.

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Speaker 6: Latin Judy says she's talking about unconsented spiritual instruction in kindergartens.

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Speaker 6: That's her subject. She says, I'm writing as the sole

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01:11:22,573 --> 01:11:24,973
Speaker 6: caregiver of my four year old son to raise an

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01:11:25,013 --> 01:11:27,813
Speaker 6: issue that may interest you as someone who values freedom

1210
01:11:27,933 --> 01:11:32,973
Speaker 6: of thought, parental rights, and transparency in public institutions. In

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01:11:33,053 --> 01:11:39,333
Speaker 6: many state funded kindergartens, including my son's Maori, panthetic beliefs

1212
01:11:39,373 --> 01:11:44,093
Speaker 6: such as artur that means gods and karaka addressed to

1213
01:11:44,133 --> 01:11:46,733
Speaker 6: them are being taught not as cultural stories, but as

1214
01:11:46,813 --> 01:11:51,813
Speaker 6: spiritual fact. This is embedded into daily routines, often via

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01:11:52,253 --> 01:11:57,173
Speaker 6: in viro schools and other EC programming, without parental consent

1216
01:11:57,373 --> 01:12:02,653
Speaker 6: or even disclosure. This to me, raises important questions. Why

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01:12:02,853 --> 01:12:07,533
Speaker 6: is spiritual content being introduced at all secular taxpayer funded ECE.

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01:12:08,533 --> 01:12:11,293
Speaker 6: Why are parent's not informed and no opt out of it?

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01:12:11,733 --> 01:12:14,813
Speaker 6: Why is only one belief system being normalized while others

1220
01:12:14,813 --> 01:12:19,133
Speaker 6: are excluded? Is this yet another example of creeping ideology

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01:12:19,173 --> 01:12:23,773
Speaker 6: and public institutions, this time reaching our youngest children. I

1222
01:12:23,853 --> 01:12:27,053
Speaker 6: now have a folder of official correspondence and documentation ready

1223
01:12:27,053 --> 01:12:29,733
Speaker 6: to share your Duey or team be interested in pursuing

1224
01:12:29,773 --> 01:12:31,093
Speaker 6: this further for your podcast.

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Speaker 4: And that's from Judy and Judy. We'll give it some thought.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: That sounded familiar and I was pondering whether we've done

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01:12:41,373 --> 01:12:43,733
Speaker 3: it before, but I think it was me reading it

1229
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Speaker 3: when it came in. Now from Mark. Greetings from the

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01:12:47,293 --> 01:12:51,013
Speaker 3: disunited Kingdom of once Great Britain and parts of still

1231
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Speaker 3: occupied Ireland, where we celebrate the twelve thousand arrests made

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Speaker 3: per year by our brave and fearless Please of hardened

1233
01:12:58,533 --> 01:13:03,093
Speaker 3: and desperate criminals endangering everyone by writing very bad things

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01:13:03,133 --> 01:13:06,973
Speaker 3: on Facebook, rendered even more dangerous by quite often being

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Speaker 3: the truth. I was musing over the necessity of your

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01:13:11,853 --> 01:13:17,853
Speaker 3: splendidly DEI supporting them, Minister Chris or will it soon

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01:13:17,933 --> 01:13:23,293
Speaker 3: be Clarissa Luxen or possibly Fluxen asking coming in for

1238
01:13:23,333 --> 01:13:26,013
Speaker 3: a bit of that these days, asking their Minister for

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01:13:26,093 --> 01:13:29,693
Speaker 3: Sport that the next Rugby All team of Colors include

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Speaker 3: at least seven women with a similar proportion on the bench,

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Speaker 3: and guaranteeing it consists of differently abled people with a

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01:13:38,133 --> 01:13:44,293
Speaker 3: proportionate mix of ethnicities reflective of ayetroas diversity. Notwithstanding tityrity

1243
01:13:44,413 --> 01:13:49,253
Speaker 3: rights enabling the chiefs to have a never relinquished sovereign

1244
01:13:49,293 --> 01:13:52,653
Speaker 3: right to also pick the squad. Of course, they should

1245
01:13:52,773 --> 01:13:56,413
Speaker 3: encourage their next opponents to follow suit, and President Macron

1246
01:13:56,533 --> 01:14:01,293
Speaker 3: may well oblige. But should they disappointingly utter a gallic

1247
01:14:02,093 --> 01:14:06,653
Speaker 3: non then even if diversity fails to deliver the greater

1248
01:14:06,813 --> 01:14:10,093
Speaker 3: number of points on the score, the all team of

1249
01:14:10,173 --> 01:14:14,693
Speaker 3: Colors will have demonstrated to the world that they win

1250
01:14:14,933 --> 01:14:19,133
Speaker 3: the Equality Cup, if not the Bledislow, and show that

1251
01:14:19,373 --> 01:14:23,973
Speaker 3: Ayatiroa leads the planet in replacing privileged merit with equity.

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01:14:24,533 --> 01:14:28,693
Speaker 3: Yours in diversity thirteams leyden.

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01:14:28,453 --> 01:14:32,293
Speaker 6: Jin says, firstly, congratulations on your thirteenth wedding anniversary. I

1254
01:14:32,333 --> 01:14:35,053
Speaker 6: have not seen you both in real life together, but honestly,

1255
01:14:35,173 --> 01:14:37,613
Speaker 6: both sounds so right for each other on the radio.

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01:14:38,453 --> 01:14:39,173
Speaker 5: Isn't that nice?

1257
01:14:39,173 --> 01:14:39,973
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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01:14:40,093 --> 01:14:44,413
Speaker 6: Jim James Allen was right. It's not Donald Trump's job

1259
01:14:44,493 --> 01:14:46,653
Speaker 6: to look after the rest of the world. It may

1260
01:14:46,733 --> 01:14:50,293
Speaker 6: sound selfish at the outset, but Trump's America First agenda

1261
01:14:50,293 --> 01:14:53,773
Speaker 6: gets one thing right. The president or prime minister's primary

1262
01:14:53,813 --> 01:14:56,493
Speaker 6: job is to look after their own people and country.

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01:14:56,893 --> 01:14:59,773
Speaker 6: If they fail that, nothing else they do matters. And

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01:14:59,813 --> 01:15:03,613
Speaker 6: Trump doesn't care nor worry about how negatively mainstream media

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01:15:03,653 --> 01:15:06,853
Speaker 6: betrays him because he knows he is doing exactly what

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01:15:06,933 --> 01:15:10,293
Speaker 6: he promised at the election. And then Jine goes on

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01:15:10,333 --> 01:15:13,373
Speaker 6: to talk about our own outfit here and he says,

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01:15:13,413 --> 01:15:16,053
Speaker 6: if national is going to be in James Allen's words,

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01:15:16,173 --> 01:15:20,293
Speaker 6: Gutler's about protecting our nation from unelected bodies like the

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Speaker 6: United Nations, the leftist mainstream media and the co governance cabal.

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Speaker 6: Then we will end up with the diabolical three headed

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01:15:28,013 --> 01:15:32,053
Speaker 6: demon that is Labor, Greens and the Mari Party. And

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01:15:32,093 --> 01:15:35,213
Speaker 6: he says, Leighton, We're off to Australia for the next

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01:15:35,213 --> 01:15:38,693
Speaker 6: ten days, but I'll still tune in because you're too addictive.

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Speaker 3: That's very nice. Now this is also in the same category.

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01:15:45,173 --> 01:15:49,533
Speaker 3: When I read this, I felt a motive to be honest.

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01:15:49,973 --> 01:15:52,973
Speaker 3: I listened to all your podcasts and enjoy them all,

1278
01:15:53,173 --> 01:15:57,493
Speaker 3: whether agreeing or disagreeing. I love the discussion with James Allen.

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01:15:57,853 --> 01:16:00,853
Speaker 3: I could not find anything that I would challenge him on.

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01:16:02,093 --> 01:16:06,293
Speaker 3: It's a connected world. And when you mentioned Leyton Smith

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01:16:06,453 --> 01:16:11,493
Speaker 3: of Southland and cycle accident, well, I was one of

1282
01:16:11,493 --> 01:16:16,933
Speaker 3: the ambulance officers who attended his accident, Shane. That moved me,

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01:16:17,173 --> 01:16:19,293
Speaker 3: it really did, because that was I figured that was

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01:16:19,333 --> 01:16:23,733
Speaker 3: around the thirty year ago Mark. I haven't tracked it back,

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Speaker 3: but if mister Smith in Southland is listening, then maybe

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Speaker 3: he can.

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Speaker 4: He can just remind me of what the.

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Speaker 3: Actual date of it was where he lost his leg

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01:16:33,813 --> 01:16:37,333
Speaker 3: and his hip and life changed forever. But it's an

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Speaker 3: amazing I love it. It's the sort of coincidence that oh, and.

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Speaker 6: You have to you know wonderful people like Shane who

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Speaker 6: No Wonder he remembers it thirty years later, those sorts

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01:16:48,813 --> 01:16:52,733
Speaker 6: of events that those people deal with all the time,

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01:16:52,893 --> 01:16:54,213
Speaker 6: all the time, not just once.

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Speaker 4: You know, No Wonder he recalls it.

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Speaker 6: And missus producer, that's it, No late, and I have

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Speaker 6: one more, don't cut me short. Ian says, most people

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01:17:05,773 --> 01:17:08,933
Speaker 6: have had a guts full of activist judges. It was

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01:17:09,013 --> 01:17:11,453
Speaker 6: pretty clear to most of us that Parliament made the

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01:17:11,613 --> 01:17:15,693
Speaker 6: law and the courts enforced it, not interpreted, not updated,

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01:17:15,733 --> 01:17:19,093
Speaker 6: and certainly not created it. The key example of judicial

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01:17:19,093 --> 01:17:21,573
Speaker 6: activism is around the Treaty and now a court is

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01:17:21,613 --> 01:17:25,173
Speaker 6: being asked to rule that the government's decision to reintroduce

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01:17:25,293 --> 01:17:29,093
Speaker 6: higher speed limits is illegal on what planet. Time to

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01:17:29,093 --> 01:17:32,693
Speaker 6: shut down unelected activist judges once, and.

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Speaker 3: Time to start naming and shaming them and going for

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01:17:37,213 --> 01:17:40,733
Speaker 3: the jugular. And of course I don't mean that literally,

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01:17:41,613 --> 01:17:45,733
Speaker 3: but the email I read the couple back, which was

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01:17:45,773 --> 01:17:48,453
Speaker 3: having a bit of a go at the Prime minister,

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Speaker 3: I agree with you, you know, and so do so many

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01:17:53,613 --> 01:17:56,653
Speaker 3: so do an increasing number of people. Missus producer, We

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Speaker 3: see you next week, Thanks Layton, thank you. Okay, Now

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Speaker 3: let's deal with the two sciences, climate science and medical

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01:18:21,493 --> 01:18:25,693
Speaker 3: science and see where things are at. This is the

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01:18:25,733 --> 01:18:29,133
Speaker 3: sort of thing that you won't find anywhere in the

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01:18:29,173 --> 01:18:34,533
Speaker 3: mainstream media. Why because they're still blind, Going back to

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01:18:34,813 --> 01:18:37,333
Speaker 3: Anthony Willie's title, as unso blind as those who will

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01:18:37,333 --> 01:18:40,493
Speaker 3: not see. I think some of them do see and

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01:18:40,533 --> 01:18:44,053
Speaker 3: they still deny it, which is a great failing, a

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01:18:44,093 --> 01:18:50,653
Speaker 3: great character failing in journalism and editorial staff, et cetera. Anyway,

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01:18:51,693 --> 01:18:57,053
Speaker 3: the silencing of scientific curiosity. Mary and Demasi is a

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01:18:57,133 --> 01:19:00,613
Speaker 3: scientific writer. She worked for the ABC in Australia for

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01:19:00,693 --> 01:19:04,773
Speaker 3: quite some time, and then she fronted television for a

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01:19:04,813 --> 01:19:07,933
Speaker 3: while a scientific program, and then she decided that she

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01:19:07,973 --> 01:19:11,413
Speaker 3: couldn't there anymore and she got out and went independent. Now,

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01:19:11,453 --> 01:19:15,973
Speaker 3: when she published her first article, I was enraptured by

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01:19:16,013 --> 01:19:19,493
Speaker 3: it from memory, and I made contact with her and

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01:19:19,533 --> 01:19:23,453
Speaker 3: she declined to come on the podcast, and I understood

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01:19:23,493 --> 01:19:25,613
Speaker 3: why she'd only just broken free.

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01:19:25,653 --> 01:19:26,133
Speaker 4: She did not.

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01:19:26,293 --> 01:19:28,733
Speaker 3: She explained she did not want to get tard with

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01:19:29,773 --> 01:19:34,853
Speaker 3: a brush of any kind that would betray her independence

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01:19:35,613 --> 01:19:39,053
Speaker 3: as she understood it and wanted to maintain it. And

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01:19:39,133 --> 01:19:42,293
Speaker 3: I get that, so I forgave her and haven't bothered

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01:19:42,293 --> 01:19:45,613
Speaker 3: the since. But she continues to make a good contribution

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01:19:45,813 --> 01:19:50,613
Speaker 3: to this particular area, the silencing of scientific curiosity. As

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01:19:50,653 --> 01:19:53,733
Speaker 3: a scientific writer and researcher, I've witnessed the decline of

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01:19:53,813 --> 01:19:59,293
Speaker 3: medical journals firsthand. Once forums for open debates and intellectual rigor,

1339
01:20:00,293 --> 01:20:04,293
Speaker 3: they've morphed into gatekeepers more concerned with preserving a narrow

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01:20:04,453 --> 01:20:10,453
Speaker 3: orthodoxy than pursuing truth. US work has exposed how journals

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01:20:10,573 --> 01:20:16,213
Speaker 3: suppress uncomfortable questions, avoid studies that challenge dominant narratives, and

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01:20:16,373 --> 01:20:21,133
Speaker 3: operate under a peer review system distorted by bias and

1343
01:20:21,253 --> 01:20:25,293
Speaker 3: external influence. But never have I seen a more absurd

1344
01:20:25,373 --> 01:20:30,533
Speaker 3: example of this decay than the retraction of a hypothesis paper, Yes,

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01:20:31,093 --> 01:20:37,893
Speaker 3: a hypothesis authored by doctor Sabine Hazan in Frontiers in Microbiology.

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01:20:38,053 --> 01:20:42,213
Speaker 3: Her twenty twenty two article hypothesized that ivermectin might mitigate

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01:20:42,333 --> 01:20:49,293
Speaker 3: COVID nineteen severity by promoting the growth of Bifidobacterium, reducing

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01:20:49,293 --> 01:20:54,973
Speaker 3: inflammation via the gut lung axis. She cited preliminary observations

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01:20:55,013 --> 01:21:00,213
Speaker 3: in twenty four hypoxic patients who recovered without hospitalization after

1350
01:21:00,293 --> 01:21:07,373
Speaker 3: combination therapy including ivermectin. She made no claims of definitive proof. Instead,

1351
01:21:07,413 --> 01:21:11,293
Speaker 3: she proposed a mexia mechanism worth investigating. That's the point

1352
01:21:11,613 --> 01:21:15,133
Speaker 3: of scientific hypothesis. But in May of twenty twenty three,

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01:21:15,333 --> 01:21:17,813
Speaker 3: more than a year after the article was peer reviewed

1354
01:21:17,853 --> 01:21:22,333
Speaker 3: and published, the journal retracted the paper following a series

1355
01:21:22,373 --> 01:21:27,733
Speaker 3: of complaints on pub peer that's what it's called pub peer,

1356
01:21:28,493 --> 01:21:34,093
Speaker 3: offering only a vague explanation about scientific soundness. Seeking clarity,

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01:21:34,133 --> 01:21:37,613
Speaker 3: I contacted both the journal's editorial office and the editor

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01:21:37,853 --> 01:21:44,173
Speaker 3: who handled the paper, Professor Mohammad Alikhani at Hamerden University. Specifically,

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01:21:44,213 --> 01:21:47,973
Speaker 3: I sought an explanation for retracting a hypothesis, but I

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01:21:48,053 --> 01:21:53,813
Speaker 3: did not receive a response. This silence is damning. Retraction

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01:21:54,053 --> 01:21:57,853
Speaker 3: is a serious step, historically reserved for cases of fraud

1362
01:21:57,933 --> 01:22:01,813
Speaker 3: or clear ethical misconduct, but here no such claim was made,

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01:22:02,173 --> 01:22:07,253
Speaker 3: nor could one be substantiated. The journal simply erased the paper,

1364
01:22:07,573 --> 01:22:12,253
Speaker 3: offering no transparent justification, no engagement with the scientific process,

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01:22:12,333 --> 01:22:17,133
Speaker 3: and no accountability in fact, it violated the very guidelines

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01:22:17,293 --> 01:22:22,053
Speaker 3: that journals are supposed to follow. The Committee on Publication

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01:22:22,293 --> 01:22:27,813
Speaker 3: Ethics advised that publications should only be retracted if they

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01:22:27,893 --> 01:22:33,453
Speaker 3: contain seriously flawed or fabricated data or plagiarism that cannot

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01:22:33,453 --> 01:22:38,733
Speaker 3: be addressed through a correction. Hassan's paper was transparent about

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01:22:38,733 --> 01:22:42,213
Speaker 3: its speculative nature. In a January twenty twenty three tweet,

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01:22:42,533 --> 01:22:48,293
Speaker 3: Hasan challenged her critics, it's a hypothesis. Prove me wrong

1372
01:22:48,853 --> 01:22:54,093
Speaker 3: her capitals. She wrote, After all, that's the essence of science.

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01:22:54,573 --> 01:22:58,293
Speaker 3: But the journal's decision to retract sends a message that

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01:22:58,413 --> 01:23:03,413
Speaker 3: even theoretical propositions are now intolerable. Now there, I will cease.

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01:23:04,573 --> 01:23:08,773
Speaker 3: It goes on for a little bit longer. Well, actually

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01:23:08,813 --> 01:23:11,533
Speaker 3: it's not long. It's not too long, so let me

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01:23:11,613 --> 01:23:16,853
Speaker 3: carry on. Wasn't my intention, but I will. Having tasted blood,

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01:23:17,133 --> 01:23:22,093
Speaker 3: Hassan's critics kept digging. In January twenty twenty five, Future

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01:23:22,213 --> 01:23:27,333
Speaker 3: Microbiology retracted another of her studies, this one examining ivermectin

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01:23:27,453 --> 01:23:32,893
Speaker 3: based multi drug therapy. Hazzan her co author Australian immunologist

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01:23:32,893 --> 01:23:37,893
Speaker 3: doctor Robert Clancy. This man is top of the class.

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01:23:38,053 --> 01:23:42,453
Speaker 3: At the University of Newcastle and others strongly disputed the

1383
01:23:42,493 --> 01:23:47,053
Speaker 3: decision after the journal failed to conduct a meaningful investigation

1384
01:23:47,333 --> 01:23:51,853
Speaker 3: into the alleged data integrity issues. The irony is palpable.

1385
01:23:52,413 --> 01:23:56,933
Speaker 3: While pundits argued over Ivermectin's efficacy during the pandemic, Haszan

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01:23:57,173 --> 01:23:59,893
Speaker 3: was one of the few actually doing the hard work

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01:23:59,933 --> 01:24:04,133
Speaker 3: to test its effects, collecting data, proposing mechanisms, engaging with

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01:24:04,213 --> 01:24:08,693
Speaker 3: the science, and yet she's the one being silenced, which

1389
01:24:08,693 --> 01:24:13,053
Speaker 3: begs the question why is there professional jealousy in the

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01:24:13,053 --> 01:24:19,613
Speaker 3: microbiome space. Are pharmaceutical companies threatened by low cost alternatives

1391
01:24:19,693 --> 01:24:25,093
Speaker 3: like ivermecton pressuring journals to kill competing narratives. If so,

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01:24:25,253 --> 01:24:29,893
Speaker 3: the Securities in Exchange Commission the SEC should investigate suppressing

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01:24:29,933 --> 01:24:34,573
Speaker 3: research that could affect investor decisions by inflating the perceived

1394
01:24:34,653 --> 01:24:38,813
Speaker 3: value of anti virals or vaccines could amount to securities fraud.

1395
01:24:39,173 --> 01:24:43,133
Speaker 3: While there's no definitive evidence, the pattern is hard to ignore.

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01:24:43,893 --> 01:24:48,053
Speaker 3: Two retractions, no clear misconduct, and a growing campaign to

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01:24:48,173 --> 01:24:54,013
Speaker 3: discredit a scientist whose work challenges are profitable status quo.

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Speaker 3: So if you want to find it for yourself. Mary

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01:24:56,573 --> 01:25:04,733
Speaker 3: Anne Demasi, mari Anne mary Ane Demasi is d Emasi.

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Speaker 4: You'll find her now.

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01:25:06,173 --> 01:25:09,853
Speaker 3: The next one is longer, and I'm going to make

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01:25:10,013 --> 01:25:13,173
Speaker 3: a much less reference to it because you can find

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01:25:13,213 --> 01:25:18,653
Speaker 3: it's from Brownstone at the Brownstone Brownstone dot org. Ethical

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01:25:18,733 --> 01:25:21,933
Speaker 3: collapse in the peer review of a leading vaccine journal.

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01:25:22,333 --> 01:25:24,173
Speaker 3: This article tells the story of one of the most

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01:25:24,173 --> 01:25:28,093
Speaker 3: disturbing breaches of scientific ethics that we've encountered. There are

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01:25:28,093 --> 01:25:32,493
Speaker 3: two authors that we've encountered in our academic careers, buried

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01:25:32,533 --> 01:25:35,253
Speaker 3: in the peer review process of one of the world's

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01:25:35,533 --> 01:25:40,013
Speaker 3: leading vaccination journals in the midst of a global health crisis.

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01:25:41,253 --> 01:25:44,293
Speaker 3: Our story begins, as many many things do in science,

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01:25:44,613 --> 01:25:48,573
Speaker 3: with a question. A provocative study published in Vaccine, a

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01:25:48,653 --> 01:25:54,213
Speaker 3: highly influential medical journal, asked our intelligent people more likely

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01:25:54,293 --> 01:25:58,053
Speaker 3: to get vaccinated. The study, conducted by Zerr and colleagues

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01:25:58,133 --> 01:26:02,293
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, examined soldiers in the Israeli Defense Forces

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01:26:03,053 --> 01:26:08,693
Speaker 3: during the COVID nineteen pandemic and concluded that quote higher

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01:26:08,733 --> 01:26:16,733
Speaker 3: intelligence was the strongest predictor for vaccine adherents. We read

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01:26:16,773 --> 01:26:21,093
Speaker 3: the study with growing unease. The conceptual leap was striking

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01:26:21,693 --> 01:26:27,613
Speaker 3: the methodological The methodological choices questionable and the ethical implications

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01:26:27,693 --> 01:26:31,533
Speaker 3: deeply troubling, especially given the context. These were not civilians

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Speaker 3: making autonomous medical decisions in ordinary times. These were young

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01:26:36,333 --> 01:26:41,373
Speaker 3: conscripts operating within the rigid military hierarchy, subjected to intense

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01:26:41,413 --> 01:26:47,293
Speaker 3: social and institutional pressure to vaccinate during a historical moment

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01:26:47,893 --> 01:26:52,653
Speaker 3: when a strict COVID nineteen vaccine passport policy was in force.

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01:26:53,093 --> 01:26:55,733
Speaker 3: We drafted a brief letter to the editor just five

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01:26:55,813 --> 01:26:59,813
Speaker 3: hundred words, in accordance with the journal submissions guidelines. In

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01:26:59,893 --> 01:27:03,173
Speaker 3: this letter, we raised both scientific concerns at ethical red flags,

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01:27:03,493 --> 01:27:07,933
Speaker 3: questioning whether what the authors labeled adherents could truly be

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01:27:08,013 --> 01:27:13,613
Speaker 3: considered voluntary under the circumstances. We also argued that if

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01:27:13,653 --> 01:27:18,973
Speaker 3: the authors genuinely sought to measure medical adherents rather than

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01:27:19,093 --> 01:27:24,373
Speaker 3: institutional compliance, they should have focused on the fourth dose

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01:27:24,493 --> 01:27:29,373
Speaker 3: of the vaccine. To the two authors, Yakov Affir O

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01:27:29,493 --> 01:27:36,373
Speaker 3: Phi R and Yaffer schir Ras Yaffa s h I R.

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01:27:36,573 --> 01:27:41,093
Speaker 3: Dash A Z from Brownstone dot org. Very easy to

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01:27:41,093 --> 01:27:43,333
Speaker 3: find and I'd get onto it straight away if you're interested,

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01:27:43,333 --> 01:27:46,373
Speaker 3: because it'll be still on the homepage. Now the other

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01:27:46,453 --> 01:27:51,213
Speaker 3: area of climate science. Two articles again. Again I'm going

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01:27:51,253 --> 01:27:55,573
Speaker 3: to reduce them to the essential first one is very easy.

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01:27:55,933 --> 01:28:00,573
Speaker 3: New study finds human CO two impact too weak to

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01:28:00,613 --> 01:28:06,253
Speaker 3: play dominant role. In a new study, geology professor doctor

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01:28:07,133 --> 01:28:15,573
Speaker 3: of my guess here Wogiku Stankowski sta Nkowski has summarized

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Speaker 3: some of the reasons why the prevailing narrative that humans

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01:28:18,573 --> 01:28:23,053
Speaker 3: can drive climate change by burning more or less fossil

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01:28:23,053 --> 01:28:29,493
Speaker 3: fuels cannot be supported by the evidence. Past natural climate changes,

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01:28:29,533 --> 01:28:33,093
Speaker 3: such as Greenland's temperature increases of up to ten degrees

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01:28:33,413 --> 01:28:38,733
Speaker 3: centigrade within just fifty years fourteen thousand, seven hundred and

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01:28:38,813 --> 01:28:42,733
Speaker 3: eleven thousand, seven hundred years ago, confirm that the modern

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01:28:42,773 --> 01:28:48,813
Speaker 3: climate change rate just zero point zero five degree celsius

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01:28:49,133 --> 01:28:53,773
Speaker 3: per decade since eighteen sixty falls well into the range

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01:28:53,813 --> 01:28:59,493
Speaker 3: of natural variability. Further, a CO two concentration change from

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01:29:00,173 --> 01:29:06,493
Speaker 3: zero point zero three percent to zero point zero four

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01:29:06,533 --> 01:29:10,813
Speaker 3: percent is not signal dificant enough to impact temperature change

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01:29:11,093 --> 01:29:14,013
Speaker 3: in the global ocean, which covers seventy one percent of

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01:29:14,053 --> 01:29:17,693
Speaker 3: the Earth's surface. If carbon dioxide were the main driver

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01:29:17,773 --> 01:29:24,693
Speaker 3: of temperature fluctuations, its concentration variations would have to be enormous. Currently,

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01:29:24,733 --> 01:29:28,373
Speaker 3: CO two levels around the world four hundred parts per million.

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01:29:28,813 --> 01:29:35,013
Speaker 3: If this entire difference is attributed to human activity, anthropogenic

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01:29:35,053 --> 01:29:38,853
Speaker 3: pressure accounts for no more than fifteen to eighteen percent.

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01:29:39,813 --> 01:29:45,133
Speaker 3: Natural factors such as tectonics, changes in galactic phenomena, and

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01:29:45,173 --> 01:29:50,733
Speaker 3: the Sun's magnetic fluctuations continue to modulate climate changes. Remember

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01:29:50,973 --> 01:29:54,333
Speaker 3: how anybody who mentioned the Sun had anything to do

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01:29:54,453 --> 01:29:58,213
Speaker 3: with so called climate change or global warming got pilloried

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01:29:58,533 --> 01:30:02,253
Speaker 3: from the get go, torn to shreds. Human activity can

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01:30:02,293 --> 01:30:06,493
Speaker 3: only play a non dominant modifying role at most. The

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01:30:06,573 --> 01:30:09,813
Speaker 3: overall trends in climate change rhythms will continue to be

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01:30:09,893 --> 01:30:14,493
Speaker 3: determined by the complex nature of galactic phenomena, the energy

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01:30:14,573 --> 01:30:19,093
Speaker 3: magnetic fluctuations of the Sun, and their interactions with Earth's

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01:30:19,213 --> 01:30:24,933
Speaker 3: magnetic field. That article can be found at climate Change

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Speaker 3: Dispatch now. The last article is ten environmentalists Myths by

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01:30:34,013 --> 01:30:38,893
Speaker 3: Edward Ring from am greatness dot com. The first Earth

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01:30:38,973 --> 01:30:41,093
Speaker 3: Day was organized in nineteen seventy in response to a

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Speaker 3: growing public concern for the environment. Many of these concerns

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01:30:44,653 --> 01:30:48,653
Speaker 3: were entirely justified. In nineteen sixty nine, for example, a

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01:30:48,733 --> 01:30:53,093
Speaker 3: slick oil along the industrialized stretch of a river in

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01:30:53,253 --> 01:30:57,533
Speaker 3: Ohio caught fire, generating national awareness of the need to

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01:30:57,533 --> 01:31:01,893
Speaker 3: reduce water pollution. Similarly, in coastal cities in California, most

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01:31:02,013 --> 01:31:06,093
Speaker 3: notably Los Angeles, the exhaust from unleaded gasoline created air

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01:31:06,133 --> 01:31:09,653
Speaker 3: pollution so dense you couldn't see the hills of a

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01:31:09,693 --> 01:31:12,413
Speaker 3: few miles away. That would be like some of the

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01:31:12,453 --> 01:31:17,933
Speaker 3: cities in China even today. So there are ten issues

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01:31:18,093 --> 01:31:22,213
Speaker 3: where environmentalism has been misused with consequences that have either

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01:31:22,293 --> 01:31:26,613
Speaker 3: been of no benefit whatsoever to the environment or have

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01:31:26,933 --> 01:31:31,933
Speaker 3: even caused harm at our list them for you. We

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01:31:32,053 --> 01:31:36,973
Speaker 3: are in a climate crisis, and then the author explains

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01:31:37,133 --> 01:31:40,813
Speaker 3: why that's not true. Second, there are too many people,

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01:31:41,133 --> 01:31:44,493
Speaker 3: and the author explains why that's not true. Number three,

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01:31:44,573 --> 01:31:47,413
Speaker 3: we're running out of fossil fuel. The author says, while

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01:31:47,453 --> 01:31:50,933
Speaker 3: this is technically correct, the situation is nowhere close to

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01:31:51,013 --> 01:31:54,573
Speaker 3: what was famously predicted in nineteen fifty six and by

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01:31:54,613 --> 01:31:58,693
Speaker 3: American geologist m. Hubbardt, who claimed oil production in the

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01:31:58,773 --> 01:32:02,253
Speaker 3: use would peak by nineteen seventy. Number four, biofuel is

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01:32:02,293 --> 01:32:06,373
Speaker 3: renewable and sustainable. Nothing could be further from the truth.

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Speaker 3: Number five offshore wind energy is renewable and sustainable, absolutely not.

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Speaker 3: Number six, renewables are renewable, No, they're not. Number seven

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Speaker 3: renewables can replace fossil fuels, not any time soon. Number

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Speaker 3: eight new housing must be confined to the footprint of

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Speaker 3: existing cities. He then concentrates on California. Really, this is

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Speaker 3: not true for California nor for the United States. Also

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Speaker 3: talks about India and other places. Number nine, mass transit

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Speaker 3: is necessary to achieve sustainability. It's hard to imagine a

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Speaker 3: claim more at odds with reality. And finally, number ten,

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Speaker 3: wilderness areas are sacred dis mantra has caused more harm

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Speaker 3: than good to the wilderness and as a lengthy piece

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Speaker 3: on why that is the case. The ten myths identified

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Speaker 3: above are some of the fundamental premises of invironmentalism, and

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Speaker 3: they are flawed. They are exploited by special interests for

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Speaker 3: profit and control. Our challenge is to restore environmentalism to

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Speaker 3: its honorable routes. We have to recognize and reject these

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Speaker 3: flawed premises wherever they are applied. And that article, of

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Speaker 3: course is I think I said that at the beginning

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Speaker 3: of it is from climate change dispatch dot com, and

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Speaker 3: that will take us out for podcasts. Number two hundred

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Speaker 3: and eighty go look up those articles if you're interested,

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure plenty of you are, and you'll find

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Speaker 3: a much more fulsome explanation than I've led you into. Now,

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Speaker 3: those four articles are only representative of what's available and

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Speaker 3: what's happening that we are kept in the dark about

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Speaker 3: by both politicians and most of the media, and it

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Speaker 3: is getting extremely frustrating and we should not be taught it.

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Speaker 3: So what have we got. We've got kids in school

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Speaker 3: who are still being misled I'd say lied to, but

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Speaker 3: that might be encompassing too many of the teaching staff,

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Speaker 3: but some certainly are but misled into believing things that

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Speaker 3: simply are not true, and not being taught to think

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Speaker 3: for themselves or even given the opportunity. So we're also

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Speaker 3: dealing with politicians who don't know what they're talking about,

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Speaker 3: and like previous governments, they repeat the they repeat the

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Speaker 3: talking points that are handed down to them, which is

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Speaker 3: why they won't debate them. And that's been the case

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Speaker 3: for well over a decade, but even longer. So that

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Speaker 3: will take us out for podcasts two hundred and eighty.

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Speaker 3: I've got high hopes for to eighty one will be

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Speaker 3: interesting to see. So if you would like to correspond

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Speaker 3: with us later at News Talks and be dot co

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Speaker 3: dot zi or Caraln at NEWSTALKSB dot co dot nz.

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Speaker 3: We shall return with two hundred and eighty one in

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Speaker 3: a few days. Until then, thank you for listening and

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Speaker 3: we'll talk soon.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for more from News Talks at B listen

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