1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Barrisoper, senior political correspondence with US High Barry afternoon. So 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: no surprise, but Iran dominated the start of parliament today absolutely. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 2: First of all, I'll touch on the question that Chris 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 2: Luxen attempted to answer very clumsily at his news conference 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 2: yesterday afternoon. I mean, you know, he couldn't have possibly 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: answered the question anyway because he was asked because he 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: had said he had support anything to stop the Iranian scourge. 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 2: Then somebody went on to say, well, would you support 9 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 2: carpet bombing? Well, of course he wouldn't support that. But 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: I think what he should be is more assertive when 11 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: he's asked a question like that. It's preposterous because it 12 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: should have been asked to a military person, not to 13 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: a prime minister. The prime minister isn't in charge of 14 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: operations when you respond, and he wouldn't. Nobody would support 15 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: that anyway, so that maybe puts it into some sort 16 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: of comment. 17 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: I asked somebody today why it is, because our position 18 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: is not altogether that different from Usustralia and Canadas, but 19 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: their prime ministers have not been tied up in the 20 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: knots that our prime ministers are. 21 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: But then that's that all comes from impact the Ministry 22 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: of Foreign Affairs and Trade. I mean they you know, 23 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 2: they are Perdante. 24 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is our positions are not that different. 25 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: So why haven't their prime ministers ended up in this 26 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: situation where they're stumbling around? And I asked somebody that 27 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: today and they said, it's simply because those prime ministers 28 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: have very short press conferences. In some cases they only 29 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: take a number of questions or none at all. 30 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: And like Jasin dar Dern, they'll point to certain journalists 31 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 2: and then they will point to another one and not 32 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: let a second question be asked. 33 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: And to me, they won't let the rolling. 34 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: Well, yes, that's a manipulation of the media in a way, 35 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 2: but it is. 36 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: To your point, which is he needs to be more 37 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: assertive and say that person that person if he wants, 38 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: if he. 39 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: Doesn't want to get into the situation. Absolutely, But in 40 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: Parliament today Luxon moved emotion that the House express it's 41 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: concerned at the conflict in the Middle East, not surprisingly, 42 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: that it deplores civilian casualties and calls on all parties 43 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 2: to respect international law interestingly and calls for the diplomatic 44 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: process and the de escalation of activities in the Middle East. 45 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 2: Hipkins moved an amendment to that, saying MPs express their 46 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 2: concerned that these actions are contrary to international law and 47 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: a violation of the UN Charter. So that's where he 48 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: comes from. The amen was lost, Needless to say, here's 49 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: the Prime Minister. 50 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 3: Through diplomacy, Iran has been presented with multiple opportunities to 51 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 3: dismantle its nuclear program and end its support for those 52 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 3: terrorist proxy groups. It has chosen not to heed those calls. 53 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 3: We have long supported actions to prevent Iran from undertaking 54 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 3: a ballistic missile and nuclear program that flouts international law, 55 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,119 Speaker 3: supporting terrorist organizations in the Middle East, and further afield 56 00:02:55,639 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: and perpetrating brutal acts of violence, murder, and repression against 57 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 3: its own people. Mister speaker, I want to acknowledge that 58 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 3: there are different views on the legitimacy of the actions 59 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 3: taken by the US and Israel. I respect those views 60 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 3: and the vigor with which they have been offered. New Zealand, 61 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 3: unlike Iran, is a flourishing democracy. We want this crisis 62 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 3: to end as quickly as possible. Escalation by Iran and 63 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 3: its proxies through retaliatory attacks across the Gul from beyond 64 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 3: is reprehensible and not the pathway out of this crisis. 65 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 4: The struggle of the Iranian people cannot be used to 66 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 4: excuse military action that breaches international law and risks destabilizing 67 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 4: the entire region and further beyond. Mister speaker, it didn't 68 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 4: work in Iraq, it didn't work in Afghanistan, and it 69 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 4: won't work in Iran. When is the world going to 70 00:03:54,880 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 4: learn the clear lessons of history. Dropping bombs create chaos 71 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 4: and then walking away will not give the Iranian people 72 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 4: the future that they deserve. 73 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: And it's particularly so. I mean, I've been to Afghanistan 74 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: and when you consider, you know that the Russians were 75 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: driven out of Afghanistan, in came the Americans, Taliban were 76 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 2: driven out. Americans leave Taliban's back. I mean, you know, 77 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: I've always wondered about American foreign policy, although with Donald 78 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: Trump you have to keep wondering about what his mind 79 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: is saying to him. But also in parliament today, I 80 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 2: thought a lot of the argument and it was close 81 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: to forty minutes this afternoon in parliament centered on the 82 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: atrocities being carried out in Iran, with Mali Party co 83 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: leader Rawui waited team finishing it the debate up with 84 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: what he reckons should happen now. 85 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 5: Foreign policy should be grounded in international law, malorileteral diplomacy, 86 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 5: and the protection of civilian life. We call on New 87 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 5: Zealand government to publicly condemn unilateral military aggression, advocate for 88 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 5: immediate de escalation, stop aligning with the USA and being 89 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 5: a proxy follow for Zionism being the doorway for their 90 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 5: military agenda here in the Pacific. Kick the fbiah to 91 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 5: the United States and Israeli ambassadors. Let's put a poe 92 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 5: in the ground, so kick everybody out. 93 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: Let's see sensible contribution. Thank you, very appreciate it, very sober, 94 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: senior political correspondent. 95 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 4: For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, listen live to 96 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 4: news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 97 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 4: the podcast on iHeartRadio.