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Speaker 2: this week Elliott Smith with me Leam Napier, New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Rugby and New Zealand Here were Rugby writer and correspondent

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Speaker 2: joins me on the pod. Nape's good to catch up again,

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Speaker 2: even if it's just the once this.

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Speaker 3: Week it is of miss Elliots. But no, you need

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Speaker 3: a bit of time to recoup. So here we are,

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Speaker 3: but later in the week to reconvene and cast the

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Speaker 3: heads to see what's coming this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, yes, I was away at a wedding of

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Speaker 2: a good friends over the weekend and didn't see a

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Speaker 2: great deal of Rugby live. To be honest, I've caught

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Speaker 2: up with it a little bit from it. But broad

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Speaker 2: strokes why is what stood out from you from the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Caine's a pretty scratchy win over the Western Force. Couldn't

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Speaker 2: really get going in that game. The Crusaders beat the

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Speaker 2: Highlanders and a pretty ill disciplined performance, but they came

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Speaker 2: from behind to do so. Blue is pretty good against

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Speaker 2: Mwana Pacific. Anything really stand out from last weekend's Round

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Speaker 2: five of Super Rugby for you, Limb.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a bit of a continuation large of

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Speaker 3: what we see have seen thus far Aliots, and that

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Speaker 3: the competition does really feel wide open. I don't know

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Speaker 3: whether you could right now pinpoint a favorite. I don't

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Speaker 3: think I could. I think there's a number of teams

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Speaker 3: given day. I think the New Zealand superiority is potentially

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Speaker 3: It's a big weekend for the Australian teams. I think

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Speaker 3: We're starting to see a bit of rotation coming and

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Speaker 3: some of that bite team so. I think the Hurricanes

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Speaker 3: were very scratchy because of some of that rotation. The

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Speaker 3: rotating again this week, so I worry about them in Fiji,

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Speaker 3: and we've seen the Hurricanes lose over there, so it's

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Speaker 3: interesting that teams are choosing that game to rest some

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Speaker 3: the competition certainly feels open. I feel like the Crusaders

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Speaker 3: had probably underwhelmed to this point other than that performance

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Speaker 3: against the Chiefs. Yellow card Is Shoes got a bit

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that he played I think once for

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Speaker 2: they're battling to find fifteen's have gone to the wider

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Speaker 2: the young man. You know, probably didn't think he was

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Speaker 2: I think with the tuatara, now he's going to return

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I guess we saw last year what can

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Speaker 4: And I think it's a big week for Ruben Love.

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Speaker 3: But I think it does help to have a preferred

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Speaker 4: You need time in the settle, you need to be

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Speaker 3: So I think this is a big week for him.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, the Chiefs welcome back Luke Jacobson, but going under

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Speaker 3: Yeah, James Slipper, it feels like he's been around for

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Speaker 4: Prodigious talent, isn't he.

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Speaker 3: There's no denying that he was breakout player of the year,

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Speaker 3: I'm backing them to go over there and sneak that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they will. We'll get into some tipping

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Speaker 2: an interesting one Peyton spencer name that's been around the

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Speaker 2: sevens obviously, sign of Carlos finally gets an opportunity off

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Speaker 2: this is a big game for both teams.

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Speaker 4: It is indeed.

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Speaker 3: Look, I think the Warritars had their bubble burst a

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Speaker 3: think the Blues have been more adventurous this year, have

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Speaker 3: used the ball a lot more. I think we've seen

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Speaker 4: Good question, Eliot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it depends on you talk to Elliott's. Some people

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Speaker 3: We almost came off the tracks in Napier before Thecaine's

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Speaker 3: I think this is probab the toughest game of the

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Speaker 3: But I'm going to tip the Chiefs to go over

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Speaker 2: They're being written off a bit this season the driw

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Speaker 2: facing the Crusaders seven o five Saturday night.

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Speaker 3: Well, I've always said Elliott miner are my third favorite team.

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Speaker 2: Who's your second favorite team?

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Speaker 3: Probably the Chiefs. Actually yeah, yeah, you'll be shocked it's

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Speaker 3: not the Crusaders.

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Speaker 2: That's what I thought. Yeah, yeah, naturally, you know, you've

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Speaker 2: always got a lot of love for them.

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Speaker 3: No, Look, I walked up the Crusaders to one that's

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Speaker 3: that game.

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Speaker 4: What about a word on your rockie Johnny Lee.

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Speaker 2: How impressive was he? Look, he's he's a player that's

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Speaker 2: been around for a couple of seasons in terms not

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Speaker 2: of the top level, but just his name has been

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Speaker 2: mentioned of you know, He's quite impressive. Keeping on this kid.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand under twenties was good for Tasman last year,

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Speaker 2: and I thought added a bit to that Crusader's pack,

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Speaker 2: even aside from his try is just an out and

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Speaker 2: out seven rather than Ethan Blackett are playing seven. Felt

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Speaker 2: like the balance was a lot better in that loose

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Speaker 2: forward trio last week. I thought, as far as deboos go,

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Speaker 2: couldn't have asked much more from the young men.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how of a debut, wasn't it?

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Speaker 3: And strucking resemblance to Ethan Blackouter yep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've given that both both Tasman boys both look

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Speaker 2: good and black red and black. But maybe they'll get

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Speaker 2: higher on us who knows, and wartars blues around us

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Speaker 2: out nine thirty five on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pump the brakes. One game doesn't make an all

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Speaker 3: Blake Boone Cotter's men to go over there and continue

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Speaker 3: the War Tars woes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm going to the same. I think

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Speaker 2: the Warriors the wheels have come off the war Tars

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Speaker 2: if they were ever on. I was kind of impressed

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Speaker 2: by them and the opening couple of weeks, but they

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Speaker 2: have not been flash in the last couple will update

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Speaker 2: those next week. We'll also bring you up to that

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Speaker 2: with our MVP voting as well as to how that unfolded.

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Speaker 2: You can follow us on the Tipping comp as well, sorry,

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Speaker 2: the Fantasy comp as well. Rugby Direct podcast is what

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Speaker 2: you search. I can completely forgot to change my team.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about you last week, Liam, but completely

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Speaker 2: forgot to make any changes. And I think half my

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Speaker 2: team was sitting out. So you can only go up

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Speaker 2: this week, is what I'm thinking.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, see I've gone from what one hundred to one

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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty.

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Speaker 2: Something like that. Yeah, it's just plunged on. I'm terrible

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Speaker 2: as it is, and I think I've got worse last week.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I haven't forgot to do my team,

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Speaker 3: but there are I think I'm probably twenty points twenty

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Speaker 3: spots off the lead, so there's a few punters out

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Speaker 3: there gunning for that super rug Good Josey.

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Speaker 2: That's right. We'll get in touch with us as well

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Speaker 2: on the mail bag as well. We'll bring that back

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Speaker 2: next week Rugby Direct at Newstalk ZB dot co dot

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Speaker 2: nz or any questions you can flick us to them

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Speaker 2: on our social media on Twitter as well. Liam always

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Speaker 2: a pleasure to catch up. We're back to normal next

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Speaker 2: week Monday Thursday, barring any sort of breaking news. Look

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Speaker 2: forward to catching up next week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I might try to flap my one working wing

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Speaker 3: and come and join Gangs Studio on Monday.

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Speaker 2: Eliot lovely to see your face, William. A good weekend.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy your super Rugby. We'll catch you next week on

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Speaker 2: Rugby Director. Thanks to Mark Kelly for producing. And have

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