1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast 2 00:00:10,613 --> 00:00:13,453 Speaker 1: from News Talks at B and Google. 3 00:00:13,533 --> 00:00:16,733 Speaker 2: Sutherland from Umbrella Well Being our Psychologists as with us 4 00:00:16,733 --> 00:00:17,733 Speaker 2: this morning to Google. 5 00:00:19,053 --> 00:00:22,213 Speaker 3: Good morning Jack. Hey, we're both out of our usual 6 00:00:22,253 --> 00:00:24,453 Speaker 3: comfort zones this morning. By the sound of it. You're 7 00:00:24,493 --> 00:00:26,533 Speaker 3: in the You're in the US of A. And I'm 8 00:00:26,813 --> 00:00:29,693 Speaker 3: I'm down in Calbourn at the Saint Michael's Church, fear 9 00:00:29,853 --> 00:00:32,333 Speaker 3: on the White Elephant stall of all things. 10 00:00:32,653 --> 00:00:35,773 Speaker 2: Oh the white elephants saw. So just give us a 11 00:00:35,813 --> 00:00:38,133 Speaker 2: run through. What sort of products are you hawking this morning? 12 00:00:38,173 --> 00:00:40,413 Speaker 2: What are you trying to shill to the masses. 13 00:00:41,373 --> 00:00:43,013 Speaker 3: I've been trying to get rid of a couple of 14 00:00:43,053 --> 00:00:47,693 Speaker 3: electric knives. We've got, We've got we've got a porter 15 00:00:47,813 --> 00:00:51,093 Speaker 3: cot for for for a baby, and a couple of 16 00:00:51,173 --> 00:00:54,093 Speaker 3: lamps would would also be, plus a whole lot of 17 00:00:54,653 --> 00:00:57,813 Speaker 3: not particularly useful electrical equipment. And a leaf flower. Is 18 00:00:57,853 --> 00:01:00,453 Speaker 3: that that's the I think that's the top, the top 19 00:01:00,453 --> 00:01:02,573 Speaker 3: thing that we've still got. It's a great leaf flower. 20 00:01:03,213 --> 00:01:04,853 Speaker 3: If you're interested, I could always put your name on 21 00:01:04,893 --> 00:01:06,133 Speaker 3: it and you can send me the check once you 22 00:01:06,133 --> 00:01:07,533 Speaker 3: get in the country. 23 00:01:07,893 --> 00:01:11,013 Speaker 2: See, I'm not into leaf blowers. I'm I'm, but I'm i'm. 24 00:01:11,133 --> 00:01:14,333 Speaker 2: I'm always a little bit seduced by the idea of those, 25 00:01:14,413 --> 00:01:16,373 Speaker 2: you know, the suckers, the kind of the opposites of 26 00:01:16,413 --> 00:01:18,613 Speaker 2: the leaf blowers. They have the big bag. I've always 27 00:01:18,613 --> 00:01:21,133 Speaker 2: wondered how effective they actually are because I look at them. 28 00:01:21,453 --> 00:01:23,413 Speaker 2: I look at them on trade me from time to time, 29 00:01:23,453 --> 00:01:25,293 Speaker 2: and I have to We've got a little courtyard that 30 00:01:25,333 --> 00:01:27,133 Speaker 2: I always have to sweep up, and I always think, oh, 31 00:01:27,173 --> 00:01:28,853 Speaker 2: maybe it's time that I get a big sucker for 32 00:01:28,893 --> 00:01:31,813 Speaker 2: the backyard. But I haven't. I haven't haven't pulled the 33 00:01:31,813 --> 00:01:32,773 Speaker 2: trigger just yet. 34 00:01:33,373 --> 00:01:36,133 Speaker 3: Well, you know, as you need a blower just in 35 00:01:36,173 --> 00:01:39,813 Speaker 3: the meantime, just let me know your name. Anyway, it 36 00:01:39,893 --> 00:01:40,133 Speaker 3: is a. 37 00:01:40,053 --> 00:01:41,493 Speaker 2: Bit of a blast in the past to have a 38 00:01:41,533 --> 00:01:43,973 Speaker 2: wide elephant stand, to be perfectly honest, because most of 39 00:01:44,013 --> 00:01:46,613 Speaker 2: the sort of secondhand buying and selling goes on to Facebook, 40 00:01:46,613 --> 00:01:48,853 Speaker 2: Marketplace or trade me these days. So I'm glad to 41 00:01:48,933 --> 00:01:50,893 Speaker 2: hear that you were you were out there doing it. 42 00:01:50,933 --> 00:01:53,933 Speaker 2: Although I can't imagine what the what the demand is 43 00:01:53,973 --> 00:01:58,053 Speaker 2: going to be like for one electric knife, let alone 44 00:01:58,133 --> 00:02:00,373 Speaker 2: two electric knives. I feel like that was a fad 45 00:02:00,453 --> 00:02:03,013 Speaker 2: that's kind of that's you know, that's gone the way 46 00:02:03,013 --> 00:02:06,453 Speaker 2: of the old popcorn makers. You know, that's just it. 47 00:02:06,493 --> 00:02:06,933 Speaker 2: Don't there. 48 00:02:07,813 --> 00:02:10,373 Speaker 3: Yeah, don't say that too loudly. I'm going to sell them. 49 00:02:10,413 --> 00:02:13,013 Speaker 2: No, no, no, sorry, sorry. It sounds like you've got an amazing 50 00:02:12,933 --> 00:02:15,493 Speaker 2: products and everyone should get down there this morning. Yeah yeah, 51 00:02:15,533 --> 00:02:15,853 Speaker 2: yeah too. 52 00:02:15,973 --> 00:02:18,853 Speaker 3: Right. Anyway, it looks that's right. 53 00:02:19,853 --> 00:02:23,973 Speaker 2: Very good. So twenty twenty four has obviously been a 54 00:02:24,013 --> 00:02:28,013 Speaker 2: pretty difficult year for lots of organizations, lots of businesses, 55 00:02:28,173 --> 00:02:30,853 Speaker 2: and the economy isn't out of the woods just yet. 56 00:02:31,173 --> 00:02:33,613 Speaker 2: But you reckon now is actually a great time to 57 00:02:33,773 --> 00:02:37,413 Speaker 2: take stock of how the year has kind of impacting 58 00:02:37,493 --> 00:02:41,013 Speaker 2: on people within an organization with something called a psychosocial 59 00:02:41,493 --> 00:02:43,733 Speaker 2: risk assessment. So what on earth is that? 60 00:02:44,893 --> 00:02:49,533 Speaker 3: No, you're exactly right, it's been a tricky year, thought, 61 00:02:49,693 --> 00:02:53,893 Speaker 3: I think most businesses and organizations in New Zealand, and 62 00:02:53,933 --> 00:02:56,733 Speaker 3: one of the hidden effects of that is the psychological 63 00:02:56,893 --> 00:03:03,493 Speaker 3: impact and the psychological harm that people can suffer at work. 64 00:03:03,653 --> 00:03:06,733 Speaker 3: And that's what we would refer to as a psychosocial risk. 65 00:03:06,853 --> 00:03:10,293 Speaker 3: So these are risks in a workplace that they don't 66 00:03:10,293 --> 00:03:14,373 Speaker 3: necessarily cause you physical harm, but they could cause you 67 00:03:14,453 --> 00:03:17,933 Speaker 3: some psychological harm. They can cause a physical harm as well, 68 00:03:17,933 --> 00:03:22,013 Speaker 3: but it's the things like, for example, bullying or a 69 00:03:22,573 --> 00:03:25,853 Speaker 3: high workload. Now, that's not probably going to cause you 70 00:03:25,893 --> 00:03:27,733 Speaker 3: too much. You know, it's not like a slip, trip 71 00:03:27,813 --> 00:03:29,453 Speaker 3: or a fall. You know, it's not like a loose 72 00:03:29,573 --> 00:03:32,293 Speaker 3: cable or something like that. But it is a hazard 73 00:03:32,333 --> 00:03:36,373 Speaker 3: in your workplace. And I think now, if any organization 74 00:03:36,453 --> 00:03:38,613 Speaker 3: has been through a big change, now is a really 75 00:03:38,613 --> 00:03:41,813 Speaker 3: good time to stop and take stock of has that 76 00:03:41,893 --> 00:03:44,773 Speaker 3: change actually had a negative impact on the mental wellbeing 77 00:03:44,853 --> 00:03:45,453 Speaker 3: of your people? 78 00:03:46,013 --> 00:03:48,293 Speaker 2: And so how do you take stock? How do you 79 00:03:48,333 --> 00:03:48,853 Speaker 2: assess that? 80 00:03:50,013 --> 00:03:54,253 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, there's no one single way. So there's first 81 00:03:54,293 --> 00:03:56,293 Speaker 3: y I would say in an organization, look at the 82 00:03:56,453 --> 00:04:00,293 Speaker 3: data that you've already got, so, you know, look at 83 00:04:00,413 --> 00:04:04,693 Speaker 3: things like, is there a particular area in your workplace 84 00:04:04,733 --> 00:04:08,613 Speaker 3: where there might be high levels of sick leave? For example? 85 00:04:08,653 --> 00:04:11,933 Speaker 3: That might be a suggestion. Are there people at work 86 00:04:11,973 --> 00:04:14,933 Speaker 3: who've got lots and lots of annually going And I 87 00:04:14,973 --> 00:04:17,773 Speaker 3: know that from an accountancy perspective that's not a great thing, 88 00:04:17,813 --> 00:04:20,573 Speaker 3: But also why aren't people able to take their annual lead? 89 00:04:20,853 --> 00:04:23,213 Speaker 3: It may be because they feel that there's too much 90 00:04:23,293 --> 00:04:25,973 Speaker 3: work to do so you can look at the data 91 00:04:26,053 --> 00:04:29,253 Speaker 3: that you've got. You know, at Umbrella we do this 92 00:04:29,293 --> 00:04:31,493 Speaker 3: sort of stuff a lot as well. We're like an 93 00:04:31,493 --> 00:04:34,853 Speaker 3: independent external agency that would come in and help you 94 00:04:34,933 --> 00:04:37,933 Speaker 3: doing that. But there's no one single way but looking 95 00:04:38,013 --> 00:04:41,013 Speaker 3: at all the Sorry, the other key thing I should 96 00:04:41,053 --> 00:04:43,573 Speaker 3: say is make sure you talk to people at the 97 00:04:43,653 --> 00:04:48,933 Speaker 3: cold face. We often risk imagining what the work is 98 00:04:49,053 --> 00:04:51,733 Speaker 3: like without actually going and talking to people, and it's 99 00:04:51,733 --> 00:04:53,933 Speaker 3: crucial that you go and talk to your staff find 100 00:04:54,013 --> 00:04:56,493 Speaker 3: out about what is actually going on on the ground. 101 00:04:57,213 --> 00:05:00,933 Speaker 2: Yeah. The interesting thing about about psychosocial issues is that 102 00:05:01,533 --> 00:05:04,693 Speaker 2: or psychosocial hazards is that they don't just lead to 103 00:05:04,813 --> 00:05:07,133 Speaker 2: mental health problems, and I think that's kind of mental 104 00:05:07,133 --> 00:05:09,413 Speaker 2: well being stuff is probably pretty obvious. But they can 105 00:05:09,413 --> 00:05:11,573 Speaker 2: also lead to physical health issues, right. 106 00:05:12,093 --> 00:05:15,133 Speaker 3: Yeah, they can. It's really interesting and it's often something 107 00:05:15,253 --> 00:05:18,413 Speaker 3: that people overlook and sometimes, to be honest, I sometimes 108 00:05:18,413 --> 00:05:22,253 Speaker 3: forget about it too. But those psychosocial hazards are one 109 00:05:22,253 --> 00:05:25,453 Speaker 3: of the leading causes of muscular skeletal problems and people 110 00:05:25,493 --> 00:05:27,453 Speaker 3: it's from, you know, think about the tension that you 111 00:05:27,533 --> 00:05:31,533 Speaker 3: might carry in your shoulders if you're stressed all the time. Also, 112 00:05:31,573 --> 00:05:34,613 Speaker 3: a big contributed to things like elevated blood pressure and 113 00:05:34,733 --> 00:05:38,253 Speaker 3: heart problems, and that's probably from being under chronic stress 114 00:05:38,293 --> 00:05:40,973 Speaker 3: and having lots of quartersole rushing around in your blood 115 00:05:40,973 --> 00:05:44,573 Speaker 3: stream all the time. So important to recognize that not 116 00:05:44,613 --> 00:05:47,093 Speaker 3: only a mental effect but also a physical effect on 117 00:05:47,133 --> 00:05:47,813 Speaker 3: people as well. 118 00:05:48,773 --> 00:05:50,493 Speaker 2: Okay, hey, very good now, I know you've got a 119 00:05:50,493 --> 00:05:53,893 Speaker 2: busy day obviously at the White Elephants standards a queue 120 00:05:53,933 --> 00:05:56,453 Speaker 2: of keen buyers lining up right now to barter for 121 00:05:56,493 --> 00:05:58,973 Speaker 2: those electric knives. But are you going to the Derby tonight? 122 00:05:59,053 --> 00:06:04,053 Speaker 3: Google, I haven't got plans to tonight. I might well 123 00:06:04,093 --> 00:06:05,973 Speaker 3: go down to the pub and watch it on TV, though. 124 00:06:06,533 --> 00:06:09,093 Speaker 2: Google, Come on, I would have thought, especially you know 125 00:06:09,133 --> 00:06:12,213 Speaker 2: what that that that wonderful Wellington Phoenix tradition when they're 126 00:06:12,253 --> 00:06:14,173 Speaker 2: up at eighty minutes right, you've got to and you're 127 00:06:14,213 --> 00:06:15,573 Speaker 2: part of the home crowd, you've got to whip the 128 00:06:15,613 --> 00:06:17,333 Speaker 2: shirt off and circle that round, you know. I would 129 00:06:17,333 --> 00:06:18,933 Speaker 2: have thought that would be your scene, doogle? 130 00:06:19,013 --> 00:06:19,173 Speaker 1: You know? 131 00:06:19,373 --> 00:06:22,773 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well you're talking. You're talking me into it, aren't 132 00:06:22,773 --> 00:06:26,933 Speaker 3: you really? It's my son's just moved to Auckland or sorry, 133 00:06:26,933 --> 00:06:29,133 Speaker 3: he's been in Auckland for a few years, but he's 134 00:06:29,213 --> 00:06:32,573 Speaker 3: just latched onto supporting Auckland FC. So now we've got 135 00:06:32,613 --> 00:06:34,973 Speaker 3: a bit of you know, into rivalry within the family 136 00:06:35,013 --> 00:06:38,773 Speaker 3: as well with the old Wellington Yea, yeah, it'll be 137 00:06:38,773 --> 00:06:40,373 Speaker 3: a great match. I think it's a great match. 138 00:06:40,893 --> 00:06:42,853 Speaker 2: No, it will be. Hey, good luck this morning. We'll 139 00:06:42,893 --> 00:06:45,533 Speaker 2: be thinking of you and crossing our fingers for for 140 00:06:46,853 --> 00:06:49,573 Speaker 2: lots of buyers whom you can play off against each 141 00:06:49,573 --> 00:06:51,653 Speaker 2: other and drive the prices up at the White Elephants 142 00:06:51,653 --> 00:06:54,533 Speaker 2: stand Doogle Sabland from Umbrella Wellbeing. We'll put all of 143 00:06:54,573 --> 00:06:56,733 Speaker 2: his tips there for psychosocial hazards and doing a bit 144 00:06:56,773 --> 00:06:59,333 Speaker 2: of a check at your workplace or organization up on 145 00:06:59,373 --> 00:07:01,653 Speaker 2: the News Talks d website. And speaking of that local 146 00:07:01,693 --> 00:07:04,333 Speaker 2: derby five pm this evening at sky Stadium in Wellington, 147 00:07:04,453 --> 00:07:07,573 Speaker 2: Jason Pine is on we Can Sport and will no 148 00:07:07,693 --> 00:07:10,653 Speaker 2: doubt be salivating at that prospect. I'll get his pick 149 00:07:10,853 --> 00:07:12,373 Speaker 2: for who he thinks is going to take out the 150 00:07:12,373 --> 00:07:18,053 Speaker 2: first New Zealand darby. I think it's not technically the 151 00:07:18,053 --> 00:07:21,253 Speaker 2: first New Zealand derby. It's the first derby of twenty 152 00:07:21,293 --> 00:07:24,013 Speaker 2: twenty four between two New Zealand teams in the A League. 153 00:07:24,053 --> 00:07:25,973 Speaker 2: Because of course, we have had other teams in the 154 00:07:26,013 --> 00:07:28,173 Speaker 2: A League as well as the Phoenix in the past. Anyway, 155 00:07:28,493 --> 00:07:31,213 Speaker 2: we'll find a more succinct way of explaining that before midday, 156 00:07:31,293 --> 00:07:32,733 Speaker 2: right now at sixteen past eleven. 157 00:07:33,333 --> 00:07:36,453 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live 158 00:07:36,533 --> 00:07:39,373 Speaker 1: to News talks ' B from nine am Saturday, or 159 00:07:39,453 --> 00:07:41,333 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.