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Speaker 1: Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues. Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicicy Ellen on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with a Vita, Retirement, Communities,

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Speaker 2: Hey, good morning and welcome coming up today. Do you

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Speaker 2: remember how the Solicitor General told the prosecutors to think careful,

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Speaker 2: carefully before prosecuting criminals were mardy She has now rewritten

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Speaker 2: that advice completely changed. We're going to have a chat

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Speaker 2: to her after seven acc levies are going up and

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Speaker 2: while it's going to hurt for the old motorcyclists, and

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Speaker 2: there's also a review we'll get you across that looks

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Speaker 2: like you're gonna be able to draw down your key.

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Speaker 2: We savor to put the money into your business as well.

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Speaker 2: The Minister on that. And we've got Tim and Carey

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Speaker 2: rapping the week that was after eight and we'll get

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Speaker 2: you to the States.

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Speaker 3: And Ossie Heather Duplicy Ellen, Well, it looks like we

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Speaker 3: were never really in with a chance were we to

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Speaker 3: get a second team alongside the Warriors into the NRL,

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Speaker 3: because it was always going to go to PNG, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: It was always going to go to P and G

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Speaker 2: because it wasn't actually a rugby league decision in the end,

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Speaker 2: it was a political decision we now find out, turns out,

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Speaker 2: and they've been pre pready explicit about this. They are

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Speaker 2: giving P and G the NRL team to keep P

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Speaker 2: and G out of military and security deals with China,

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Speaker 2: and if P and G signs any kind of deal

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Speaker 2: like that with China then they will automatically lose the team.

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Speaker 2: And that also goes some way to explaining why the

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Speaker 2: Aussie government is giving them six hundred million dollars to

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Speaker 2: fund the team. Now, obviously this is really great for

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Speaker 2: regional geopolitical maneuverings to cut China's lunch, but I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure this is going to be good for the NRL

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Speaker 2: at all, because do you actually think this team is

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Speaker 2: going to be any good? I mean, think about the

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Speaker 2: logistics of this. Who's going to want to join a

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Speaker 2: team based in Port Moresby. It's got one of the

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Speaker 2: highest crime rates in the world. Probably not a lot

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Speaker 2: of players. Definitely no players with families, I would say,

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Speaker 2: which is probably why this team is getting a tax

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Speaker 2: exemption so the players can keep more of their pay packets,

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Speaker 2: thereby making it more attractive for them to join the team.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely why the team is building a gated compound

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Speaker 2: for their players. So are the fans. I mean, if

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Speaker 2: they've got away games in PNG, the fans are ever

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Speaker 2: going to travel there to watch the games? Are the

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Speaker 2: fans even gonna bother watching the games? On tally? If

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Speaker 2: this team's games perform at the level that it is expected,

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Speaker 2: remains to be seen. Obviously you never know. Miracles can happen,

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Speaker 2: but you could probably hazard a guess and how this

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Speaker 2: is going to play out. So sure, absolutely smart political

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Speaker 2: move to cut China's lunch. But the NRAL does not

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Speaker 2: exist to cut China's lunch, does it. It exists for

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Speaker 2: the fans to enjoy a game of footy, and I

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Speaker 2: don't know that you can say that this decision is

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Speaker 2: great for the fans.

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Speaker 1: News of the world in ninety seconds, Well, Blincoln will

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Speaker 1: wing his way to Turkey.

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Speaker 2: Is part of trying to make Syria be peaceful going forward.

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Speaker 4: These are principles that would be designed to reflect the needs,

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Speaker 4: the aspirations, the will of the Syrian people, not to

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Speaker 4: dictate what they should do, but to make sure that

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Speaker 4: they have the opportunity to follow their on path.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the head of the interim government has been rifling

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Speaker 2: through assides financial records and turns out Syria is financially screwed.

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Speaker 5: What we want to happen is for these accounts to

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Speaker 5: be frozen, for all the money to go back to

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Speaker 5: the Syrian people.

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Speaker 6: We wanted to go back to the original owners.

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Speaker 7: It doesn't own that money and it's not the result

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Speaker 7: of his hard work.

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Speaker 2: And over in the UK there are a lot of

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Speaker 2: very intense questions right now about how the system let

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Speaker 2: down young Sarah Sharif.

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Speaker 8: I think we're a system that's broken. It's underfunded. Social

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Speaker 8: workers are dealing with such massive pressure every day, massive

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Speaker 2: And the Prime Minister's being asked about the smacking laws

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Speaker 2: and the wake of the murder because the UK allows

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Speaker 9: I don't think that we should allow ourselves to think

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Speaker 9: that whatever the rules on smacking are, that that's got

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Speaker 9: anything to do with this case. This is about violence,

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Speaker 9: it's about abuse, it's about making sure there's protection and

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Speaker 2: Trump has rung the bell after being named Times Person

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Speaker 2: in the Year for the second time.

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Speaker 6: I do want to thank Time magazine. I've been on

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Speaker 4: I don't know who's the record, but I can only

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Speaker 10: Twenty five percent a great The others are just sort

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Speaker 2: But of course it comes with an interview, and that

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Speaker 11: Donald Trump said that he's open to rethinking childhood requires

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Speaker 11: of vaccines, which would be a major health shift in

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Speaker 2: And finally, for all u Guinness World Record enthusiasts, one

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Speaker 2: of the most popular records to be attempted has been canned.

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Speaker 2: This is the world's longest cast. It's no longer going

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Speaker 2: in some instance there's a sleep deprivation like psychosis. The

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Speaker 2: and thirty five minutess, well over a couple of days,

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Speaker 2: and is unlikely now to be officially beaten. And that

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Speaker 2: is your news of the world in ninety seconds. Now

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Speaker 2: over in the States, US President Joe Biden has has

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Speaker 2: done his pardons and his clemency and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: He's part in thirty nine Americans convicted of no nonviolent

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Speaker 2: crimes and commuted the sentences of nearly fifteen hundred other people.

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Speaker 2: That is the largest single day active clemency, which is

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Speaker 2: surprising coming from Joe Biden because actually up to now

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Speaker 2: he's been on the light side historically with handing out

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Speaker 2: a genius to figure out why he might be doing this.

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Speaker 2: Now that he's done Hunter handed out the freebe to

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Speaker 2: Hunter may have felt that he needs to hand out

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Speaker 2: Heather, a friend of mine, worked NP and G as

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Speaker 2: a chef, and whenever he left their compound, he was

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Speaker 2: the kalaher Jmi wealth is with us last day, Thai Andrew,

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Speaker 2: I'm very good this morning. We're both excited about the

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Speaker 2: you thinking about those electronic card transactions?

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, let's talk about spending, because the festive season

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Speaker 7: is also the spending season, and for many retails this year,

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Speaker 7: I've had a pretty tough year. They'll be looking forward

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Speaker 7: to a bit of a lifeline, as I said, of

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Speaker 7: electronic card transactions for November and we're looking constantly for

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Speaker 7: the sort of cliched green shoots and these numbers, the

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Speaker 7: there are some bright spots. I think over all, though,

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Speaker 7: the data releases is tinged with just a little bit

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Speaker 7: of disappointment. So this is November data, September and October.

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Speaker 12: They're down one point one percent year on year.

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Speaker 7: If we just dig down into what is the retail

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Speaker 12: The thing is heather.

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Speaker 7: If we are just these numbers for population growth, we'reds

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Speaker 12: Situation obviously looks worse. Just looking for those bright spots.

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Speaker 7: Hospital hospitalities had a small lift, which is great, and

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Speaker 7: I would suggest that lower interest rates sort of feeding

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Speaker 12: There is up five percent in August. It's good. Non

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Speaker 7: Which just so though generally that the squeeze on spending

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit of a tough one. A Now,

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Speaker 2: how do we explain what's going on with unemployment in Australia.

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Speaker 7: Oh, now, this is it's an interesting because we've been

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Speaker 7: talking a bit about OZSIE this week and New Zealand

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Speaker 7: unemployment here four point eight percent. Yesterday OZSI employment numbers

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Speaker 12: And remember we talked.

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Speaker 7: interest rate cuts. Well, now you've got this strong employment

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Speaker 7: Three point nine percent unemployment rate actually puts to Australian

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Speaker 7: the developed world's stronger jobs markets. And what you're getting there, Heather,

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Speaker 7: you're getting a fair bit of strength coming from government

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Speaker 7: big difference. The government over there is lifting spending. We're

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Speaker 7: probably going the other way. Now the Aussie market sort

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Speaker 12: But yeah, we're sort of moving at different trajectories at

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Speaker 2: Heather, there really are right, all right?

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Speaker 7: Give us the numbers, I sure can. The dal Jones

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Speaker 7: is down seventeen points four to four thousand, one hundred

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Speaker 2: Good stuff Andrew, enjoy the rest of you your day

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Speaker 6: We will all survive it.

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Speaker 2: So you take your four billion dollars and think about

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Speaker 2: how tight we're being in New Zealand. Eighty billion. To

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Speaker 2: Well, there you go. We could do it if we

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Speaker 18: Morning, Andrew, good morning.

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Speaker 2: What kind of businesses are we talking about here?

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Speaker 2: Which is that wise Andrew? Because I mean you're going

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Speaker 13: But it's up to the keypy saver providers. So they

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Speaker 13: if they don't see that there's good types of assets

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough. Now listen on another subject altogether, What

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but do you know what, are they doing the

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Speaker 13: seen them, I've seen the announcement that they've made.

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Speaker 2: If you find out, Andrew, that the reason that the

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Speaker 2: banks are acting like this towards the gas stations is

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Speaker 2: because the Reserve Bank is forcing them with these climate

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Speaker 2: reportant requirements. Will you act to make the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 2: stop doing that?

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Speaker 13: Well, it's Nicola Willis's jurisdiction, it's not mine. But I

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Speaker 13: think the wider point is is there have people become

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Speaker 13: overly focused and need for missing out parts of the

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Speaker 13: economy that are legitimate operations, but banks are choosing to

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Speaker 13: go down the roads so that are all work.

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Speaker 12: It's way through.

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Speaker 13: We want to make sure that the banking sector particularly

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Speaker 13: is banking the productive sector, businesses, you know, all those

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Speaker 13: types of things, and agricultural sector as well.

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Speaker 18: And there's a number of.

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Speaker 13: Reasons why that there's been quite a shift. The major

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Speaker 13: reason why why, it's been noted by the Commence Commissioners

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Speaker 13: that round the rules of lending that the bank has implied.

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Speaker 13: But of course the banks are taking a view that

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Speaker 13: they need to made environmental requirements and of course let's

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Speaker 13: causing problems in cases quite right.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Andrew, thanks very much, really appreciate you talking us

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Speaker 2: through it. Andrew Bailey comments and consumer Affairs mian is

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Speaker 2: Richard Arnold, US correspondents with US Morning Richard, Good morning here, right,

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Speaker 2: So what's the latest with these drones.

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Speaker 10: It's bizarre, isn't it. Yeah, the Pentagon is shooting down

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Speaker 10: claims that a foreign mothership is behind this ongoing series

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Speaker 10: of drone sightings over New Jersey. These are not small drones.

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Speaker 10: These are car sized things which have been spotted scores

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Speaker 10: of times in recent days over businesses and military sites,

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Speaker 10: says one witness.

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Speaker 12: I look at my left and I see two big drones.

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Speaker 6: There were propeller driven going very slowly.

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Speaker 10: So what's up. Homeland Security says it does not know

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Speaker 10: the source of these drone flights, and they were quizzed

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Speaker 10: about it on Capitol Hill with little effect.

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Speaker 6: What is going on in New Jersey.

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Speaker 13: We do not attribute that to an individual or a

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Speaker 13: group yet we're investigating, but I don't have an answer

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Speaker 13: of who's responsible for that.

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Speaker 10: So that's led one local mayor, Mike Sally, to express

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Speaker 10: outright frustration that huge drones can be flying around and

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Speaker 10: no one knows what's behind it. One fellow who thinks

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Speaker 10: he does is Jeff Andrew, a New Jersey lawmaker, who says.

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Speaker 11: Iran launched a mothership probably about a month ago that

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Speaker 11: contains these drones.

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Speaker 10: He's given no evidence for that claim, while ascertain he

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Speaker 10: has a high level secret information source. The Pentagon repudiating

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Speaker 10: the claim, saying, through their representative Sabrinas Singh, on that accusation.

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Speaker 11: There's no so called mothership launching drones towards the United States.

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Speaker 10: While the New Jersey congressman is doubling down and asking

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Speaker 10: for flight restrictions over his state. Right now, the FAA,

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Speaker 10: the Aviation Administrations, and post flight bans over a military

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Speaker 10: weapons site and over the Trump National golf club in Bedminster.

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Speaker 10: All this reminiscent to me anyway, of the Chinese spy

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Speaker 10: balloons this time last year, and again pretty bizarre.

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Speaker 2: He is really bizarre. How's has clemency gone down?

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Speaker 10: It depends who you ask, I suppose, as with everything

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Speaker 10: political these days, President Biden intervening in the justice system

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Speaker 10: a couple of weeks after because he pardoned his son

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Speaker 10: Hunter on gun position, tax evasion counts after saying he

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Speaker 10: would never do so. So now he's commuted the prison

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Speaker 10: sentences of some fifteen hundred folks in part thirty nine

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Speaker 10: others convicted of nonviolent crimes. We don't know exactly who

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Speaker 10: all of these people are as yet, but this is

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Speaker 10: the largest number of commutations by an American president on

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Speaker 10: a single day. A pardon wipes out a conviction. A

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Speaker 10: commutation leaves the guilty verdict in place, but reduces some

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Speaker 10: of the punishment. Biden saying many had been placed on

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Speaker 10: home confinement during the pandemic. He says his movie is

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Speaker 10: to quote, help reintegrate individuals back into society and to

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Speaker 10: provide a second chance. Many Republicans take the opposite stance, except,

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Speaker 10: of course, when it comes to pardoning the January sixth people,

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Speaker 10: those who rioted at the US Capitol, where the president

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Speaker 10: of LEC says he'll act in their course on day one. Meantime,

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Speaker 10: there are also mixed responses to FBI Director Chris Ray

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Speaker 10: announcing that he will resign from his post early to

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Speaker 10: open the way for the Trump pick Cash Patel to

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Speaker 10: step in at Patel is confirmed by the senat here elsewhere.

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Speaker 10: Time magazine such as it is these days as named

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Speaker 10: Donald Trump as their Person of the Year for the

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Speaker 10: second time. Trump very much draw to this sort of stuff.

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Speaker 10: He had long while he had copies of fake Time

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Speaker 10: front pages with his photo on it on display around

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Speaker 10: his golf causes. While Don Junior's recent girlfriend, Kimberly Guilfoyle

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Speaker 10: is the latest Trump nominee accused of sexual misconduct, accused

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Speaker 10: of harassing an assistant at the Fox Network, which is

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Speaker 10: said to have resulted in an out of court settlement

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Speaker 10: upwards of four million bucks. You wes she has split

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Speaker 10: with Don Junior, who apparently has just found a new girlfriend,

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Speaker 10: while Gilfoyle has been given a prestige job as the

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Speaker 10: new American Envoy to Greece, which means you'll be traveling

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Speaker 10: half a world away from the Trump family compound.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably not a bad thing. Hey, thanks very much,

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Speaker 2: enjoy the recy weekend. That's Richard Arnold, our US correspondent,

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Speaker 2: right on the ACC fees. So what's going on here

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Speaker 2: is we're all going to have to chip in a

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Speaker 2: little bit. You know. It's like has passed the hat around.

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Speaker 2: It's one of those we're gonna have to chip in

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Speaker 2: a little bit to plug the seven point two billion

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Speaker 2: dollar deficit in the ACC. And for most of us,

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Speaker 2: it's just a little bit here and there when you're

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Speaker 2: probably not even going to notice it. I mean, if

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Speaker 2: you're paying about eighty seen sextro. I know it adds up,

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Speaker 2: but you know eighty cents extra a week. Cars are

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Speaker 2: going to go from this is your rego, by the way,

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Speaker 2: that's what ACC is up to there. The rego goes

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Speaker 2: up forty two dollars to forty nine dollars and stuff.

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Speaker 2: But whoa if you're riding a bike a motorcycle, jeez,

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Speaker 2: your pay and aren't you The levy for a five

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Speaker 2: hundred cc motorbike is going to go up by twenty

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Speaker 2: three bucks. Next year, it's gonna hit three hundred and

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Speaker 2: twenty one. Then it's gonna go up another one hundred

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Speaker 2: and twenty one dollars the next year. So now we're

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Speaker 2: at four hundred and forty two dollars, and then it's

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Speaker 2: gonna go up the following year another ninety one dollars.

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Speaker 2: So at at five hundred and thirty three. So it's

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Speaker 2: going from three hundred and twenty one dollars next year

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Speaker 2: to five hundred and thirty three dollars a couple of

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Speaker 2: years from there burg money. So we're gonna have chat

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Speaker 2: to an acc lawyer and a researcher, Warren Forster after

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Speaker 2: seven on that tell you what you're paying for the injuries?

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Speaker 2: Aren't You're nine away from seven ever?

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Speaker 1: Lets the Ellen on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's

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Speaker 1: Real Estate News.

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Speaker 2: Dogs V I have got some good news for the

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Speaker 2: people of Auckland. I'm sorry to everybody else, but just

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Speaker 2: really quickly for Auckland. The walking bridge from the viaduct

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Speaker 2: to the wind you caught it. It's just been announced

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Speaker 2: that they're going to open it, and they're gonna open

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Speaker 2: it seven thirty this morning. Now look like you. I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm shocked because this thing has been down since March.

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Speaker 2: We have been nagging Ekipanuku. This is why Ekipinuku's being

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Speaker 2: wound up by the council. By the way, been why

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Speaker 2: I've been nagging these guys to get this bridge up

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Speaker 2: and running again. And they're like, yeah, and it's gonna

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Speaker 2: open on the thirteenth of December. Open on the thirteth

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Speaker 2: of the December. And then yesterday they were like, so

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Speaker 2: it's gonna open tomorrow, but we're going to make a

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Speaker 2: decision tomorrow about when it's gonna open tomorrow. So they

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Speaker 2: have made it like literally on the day they have

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Speaker 2: made a decision about thirty five minutes before the bridge

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Speaker 2: opens to open the bridge. Now, I'm not gonna complain.

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Speaker 2: I'm stoked the bridge is opening, but only Ekipanuku would

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Speaker 2: leave it till the very last minute. Anyway, we'll talk

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Speaker 2: to a business owner later about how great that is

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Speaker 2: five away from seven.

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Speaker 6: All the ins and the outs.

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Speaker 1: It's the biz with business fiber, take your business productivity

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Speaker 1: to the next level.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So hopefully Paul Goldsmith is going to keep close

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Speaker 2: eye on this one. The Aussie government has officially decided

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Speaker 2: they're going to set new laws to force the big

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Speaker 2: tech companies to pay for their news. Ozzie's been leading

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Speaker 2: the way since about twenty twenty one, when they set

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Speaker 2: the world first law to make Meta and Google pay

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Speaker 2: for hosting news on their platforms. Now what happens is

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Speaker 2: those companies initially complied to slightly watered down deals and stuff,

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Speaker 2: and their Meta announced this, yet Nap not going to

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Speaker 2: be renewing their deal, which meant it became a legal standoff.

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Speaker 2: And so now Australia's new rules will require the firms

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Speaker 2: that earn more than two hundred and fifty million Australian

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Speaker 2: dollars to enter into commercial deals with the media organizations

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Speaker 2: or face higher taxes. The new framework is called the

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Speaker 2: News Bargaining Incentive Incentive, and unlike the old one, this

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Speaker 2: one will just make them pay even if they don't

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Speaker 2: do deals with publishers. So you can imagine how that's

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Speaker 2: going to go down With Meta, they say they're going

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Speaker 2: to begin phasing out their dedicated news tab for Ozzie,

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Speaker 2: seeing as news only makes up three percent of what

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Speaker 2: new tax model will begin in January. So now the

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Speaker 2: ball is in Paul gold Smith Court as to what

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Speaker 2: he does there here. Rather see if it works over there,

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Speaker 2: maybe we can do it here too. Now, Una Jegosi,

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Speaker 2: Solicitor General, got to get you across this. Yesterday decided

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Speaker 2: to withdraw those prosecution guidelines where she told the prosecutors

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Speaker 2: to think carefully about prosecuting Mari because Mari a Mari.

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Speaker 2: Now this is important to this show, because of course

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Speaker 2: you will remember if you cast your mind back. Mike

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Speaker 2: was actually the first one onto this, and Mike made

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Speaker 2: it a song and danced quite rightly about it, drew

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Speaker 2: it to everyone's attention. That led to the thing being unwound.

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Speaker 2: So you know, in honor of Mike, who's on holiday,

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Speaker 2: we're going to have a chat to Erna Jegosi, the

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Speaker 2: Solicitor General straight after seven, and then after that just

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Speaker 2: get you across acc and Peter fitz Simmons on the

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Speaker 2: very thing that we started the program with, which is

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Speaker 2: are we okay with the NRL being used to do

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Speaker 2: the geopolitical machinations in our part of the world and

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Speaker 2: give a deal to P and G to cut China's

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Speaker 2: lunch news talks that b.

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Speaker 1: Meg used bold opinions Heather du the CEA Ellen on

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Speaker 1: the Mike asking breakfast with Bailey's real estate, your local

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Speaker 1: experts across residential, commercial, and rural news talks that'd.

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Speaker 2: Be mourning to you. The Solicitor Generals reissued her controversial

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Speaker 2: controversial prosecution guidelines. These are the ones that urged prosecutors

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Speaker 2: to think carefully about prosecutions, especially when a person is Marty.

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Speaker 2: Now you'll remember that back in October she withdrew them

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Speaker 2: after Mike and This show raised concerns about them and

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Speaker 2: joining us. Now is the Solicitor General owner to goes

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Speaker 2: hi Una? Do you accept that you made a mistake

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Speaker 2: with those guidelines.

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Speaker 19: Yes, I wasn't clear what I meant when I referred

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Speaker 19: to the fact of Marty's disproportionate representation in the criminal

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Speaker 19: justice system, and it led to as your instruction just said,

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Speaker 19: misunderstanding or confusion about what I was saying. And this

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Speaker 19: point is too important to have left there. So I

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Speaker 19: heard the criticism and the misunderstanding or of the error

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Speaker 19: of my expression. Few people wrote in. Quite a few

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Speaker 19: people wrote in as well to say that they misunderstood

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Speaker 19: or didn't understand what I meant, and I needed to

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Speaker 19: redo that. Soort have done that as I said they would.

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Speaker 19: We've revised the way in which the introduction is put,

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Speaker 19: and we've made sure that there's no other part to

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Speaker 19: the guidelines that lacks the clarity that is so important

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Speaker 19: for people to understand, so that the criminal justice system

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Speaker 19: approaches people on the individual presentation, their circumstances, their culpability,

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Speaker 19: how their background brings them to where they are today.

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Speaker 19: That's the error, and that's incorrected.

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Speaker 2: If we got it wrong by assuming that you meant ethnicity,

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Speaker 2: what did you actually mean?

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Speaker 19: Well, I meant that I was referring to part of

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Speaker 19: the context. Part of the context of the review was

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Speaker 19: to recognize that mary our disproportionately represented in our criminal

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Speaker 19: justice statistics. But in the way I had put it

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Speaker 19: was I mean, I accept that it was confusing. Ask yourself,

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Speaker 19: what does that mean? That's what people were saying, what

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Speaker 19: does that mean? And that's what I listened to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when people will tell us or what did it mean?

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Speaker 19: UNA, Well, exactly this that that is part of our

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Speaker 19: context because I've just said, but what prosecutors must do

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Speaker 19: is address the individual, because that's where the criminal justice

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Speaker 19: system and the individual come together, on their circumstances, on

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Speaker 19: their background. So my mistake was to be unclear about

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Speaker 19: that and to push those two things to it.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Let me read it to you and you

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Speaker 2: tell me if we've got this wrong. Because your advice

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Speaker 2: was think carefully about particular decisions where a person is Maori, I.

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Speaker 19: Think that's prettyst of a sentence.

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Speaker 2: Or a member of any other group that is disproportionately

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Speaker 2: impacted by the criminal justice system. Now I read that,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's pretty clear that what you're saying

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Speaker 2: is if somebody has popped up in front of the

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Speaker 2: criminal justice system and they are disproportionately impacted Mari Pacifica,

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Speaker 2: a victim of abuse when they were young, Tether, then

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Speaker 2: you need to think carefully about whether you prosecute them

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Speaker 2: or not.

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Speaker 19: So the reason that I took them down was for

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Speaker 19: this very reason that people were unrem.

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Speaker 2: Am I wrong?

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Speaker 19: Well I was wrong, but i'm about what was meant?

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Speaker 2: Am I wrong in interpreting it the way that I have?

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Speaker 19: Well, you haven't continued to read out the whole paragraph,

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Speaker 19: which goes on to say this isn't to say that

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Speaker 19: membership of a particular group is relevant, but it is

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Speaker 19: individual circumstances.

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Speaker 2: Or read you some more of what you said? Did

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Speaker 2: you read you some more? The experience of Mary is unique.

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Speaker 2: No community in this country was deprived of its autonomy,

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Speaker 2: internal cohesion and economic resilience in quite the way Mary

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Speaker 2: communities were.

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Speaker 18: Is that?

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Speaker 19: And where does that come from?

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Speaker 2: I mean, sorry to that's that's in your prosecution. It's

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Speaker 2: further down your prosecution, the original prosecution guideline.

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Speaker 19: That's part of the part of the court judgments article

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Speaker 19: did did did you so? Your question to me is

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Speaker 19: I think why did you change them? And why I

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Speaker 19: changed them?

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Speaker 1: That's not your question to me.

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Speaker 2: My question is if you didn't mean that we were

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Speaker 2: supposed to that prosecutors were supposed to look at any

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Speaker 2: of these groups of people, including Marty, and go a

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Speaker 2: little lighter on them because they're Marty or any of

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Speaker 2: these other groups, then what did you mean? And you

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Speaker 2: were unable to explain that to me?

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Speaker 19: I'm absolutely clear that what you were saying is the

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Speaker 19: very reason we had to change it, because people thought

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Speaker 19: I was saying something that I didn't intend to say.

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Speaker 2: So what my I guarantend to say the tape of clarity.

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Speaker 19: I intended to say is that, as the guidelines say,

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Speaker 19: when you are dealing with an individual in the criminal

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Speaker 19: justice system, it is their circumstances, their background, their culpability

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Speaker 19: that is relevant, whether they are a particular group or not.

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Speaker 19: Thing Mary per se is not relevant.

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Speaker 2: But you actually mentioned being part of a particular group,

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Speaker 2: so it seems like it's relevant. Anyway. Listen, when you

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Speaker 2: published it, had you not had a warning from the

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Speaker 2: Attorney General, Judith Collins not to publish it.

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Speaker 19: No, we had gone through an earlier iteration and she

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Speaker 19: had expressed some concerns about clarity, which we had. I

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Speaker 19: had gone back to and attempted to be more clear,

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Speaker 19: and I missed the mark, as I said in my

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Speaker 19: eighteenth of October.

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Speaker 2: So this one that you put out, this one that

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Speaker 2: you put out, you thought this was your attempt at

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Speaker 2: being more clear.

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Speaker 19: Well, and I was wrong about that because it wasn't clear.

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Speaker 2: When she refused to write the foreword for you, which

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Speaker 2: is very unusual. Did you not think then that you

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Speaker 2: had a problem.

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Speaker 19: Well, as I said on this channel only yesterday, that's

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Speaker 19: not actually how it went. We didn't invite the Attorney

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Speaker 19: General to write a forward this time. Sorry in the

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Speaker 19: earlier vision this year because we thought it better reflected

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Speaker 19: what the statute says, which is that these are guidelines

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Speaker 19: for the Solicitor General. But in light of what has

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Speaker 19: happened that in my error and the lack of clarity

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Speaker 19: and the confusion about what is required, we thought it

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Speaker 19: was better that the law officers, the Attorney General and

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Speaker 19: the Solicited General are seen to be aligned on what

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Speaker 19: the guidelines say to prosecutors. Own That's why the attorney

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Speaker 19: puts forward on this version.

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Speaker 2: Okay, listen, you've copped it lately, right, You've copped it

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Speaker 2: over this, which is fair and square at one of

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Speaker 2: your mistakes, and you've also copped it about the apology

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Speaker 2: with the state abuse survivors. Are you going to stay

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Speaker 2: in the job? Yes, okay, ownA, thanks very much, really

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. Ernage Ghosts Solicitor General. Thirteen past seven the mi.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to get to your feedback on Unage ghost

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Speaker 2: and just to take sixteen past seven, the worst kept

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Speaker 2: secret got to deal with this in NRL is confirmed,

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Speaker 2: Papa New Guinea is going to get the new team.

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Speaker 2: But boy is this riddled with politics. The deal is

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Speaker 2: designed quite explicitly to keep P and G away from

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Speaker 2: any military deals with China, and so the Aussie is

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Speaker 2: going to pump six hundred million dollars in to pay

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Speaker 2: for it. And joining me now is Australian columnists on

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Speaker 16: Wanting to have a pedic Simons. But it's okay.

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Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, Peter, I actually did wonder about that. Hey, listen, Peter,

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Speaker 2: how do you feel about the NRL being used for

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Speaker 2: geopolitical politics?

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Speaker 16: It's very interesting. Wow, that is extraordinary amount of money

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Speaker 16: of tax tax dollars. On the one hand, it's clever

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Speaker 16: because I've been in to P ANDNG many times. I

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Speaker 16: booked the Cocada track and the fact that I in

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Speaker 16: one believe that I told them I was through I

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Speaker 16: know Albaninga and they were. They were stunned. I mean,

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Speaker 16: the level of enthusiasm of the people of PNG for

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Speaker 16: for rugby league is like nothing I've ever come across.

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Speaker 16: You know what, I love rugby. Key with you love rugby,

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Speaker 16: I'm sure I love cricket, but in PNG they are

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Speaker 16: obsessed with r L, with rugby league, and so the

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Speaker 16: cause in the contract which says that if P and

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Speaker 16: does any any security pact with China then the deal

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Speaker 16: of is clever clever way of doing it, even though

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Speaker 16: a couple of weeks ago the Foreign Minister of P

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Speaker 16: ANDG said no, no, no, this has nothing to do

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Speaker 16: with it's all just rugby league. Well it's everything to

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Speaker 16: do with China. So I don't know where the idea

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Speaker 16: came came from. But on the other hand, was it

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Speaker 16: really necessary what that mouth towards. That's the discussion point

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Speaker 16: in Australia at the moment.

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Speaker 2: What about just the quality of the team and what

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Speaker 2: the impact on the NRL is going to be. I mean,

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Speaker 2: do you expect this team to be any good?

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Speaker 16: I expect the raw athletic talent. I mean, when you

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Speaker 16: see we've had a few P and G over the years,

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Speaker 16: they are wondrously talented, you know, like they are very athletic,

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Speaker 16: very strong people. I would suspect that the team. I mean,

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Speaker 16: last night I was talking to Ian winners Bob Wallady

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Speaker 16: winger who ended up playing with PAN, and you know

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Speaker 16: the way it works in Japan, of course, is that

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Speaker 16: the Japanese national team they have. I don't know what

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Speaker 16: gypt up for and board, but it's more than this.

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Speaker 16: I am coming from elsewhere, respect that the team will

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Speaker 16: have a lot of players from Australia, perhaps England, perhaps

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Speaker 16: in Zealand. Off spring than initial term. In the long term,

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Speaker 16: you know it goes as well as I suspect will well,

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Speaker 16: I think I'll speak more than more than.

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Speaker 2: Peter. Thanks for getting up. I really appreciate thanks for

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Speaker 2: getting up as early as you did to have a

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Speaker 2: chat to us. Peter Fitt, Simon's Australian correspondent, and apologies

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Speaker 2: for the quality of that line. Hither on owner to ghost.

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Speaker 2: You're telling me the country's most senior law officer is

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Speaker 2: trying to convince us that she's guilty of school child

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Speaker 2: of techs along that line is a very good point.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen past seven.

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873
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Speaker 2: real questions about how careful this lot at the New

874
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: Zealand Green Investment Finance outfit were with our money. Just

875
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: remember that New Zealand Green Investment Finance so I can

876
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 2: to hear a bit about them. What happened as they

877
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: pumped one hundred and forty five million dollars of taxpayer

878
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: lending into Solar zero in August? Right, But by August

879
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 2: there were already some pretty clear warning signs the company

880
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: was in trouble because they already started laying off staff,

881
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: laid fifty off in April, and there were reportedly raised

882
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: arguments amongst management in front of staff and stuff like that. Now,

883
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be a shock to

884
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: you to consider the possibility that people who run government

885
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: departments are not as careful with money as people who

886
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: run private businesses, because, of course, in private business, every

887
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: dollar is a hustle, you know the meaning of it,

888
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 2: whereas in the public sector. I don't know if you

889
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: know this, but money comes from a never ending money hose,

890
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: so no problem there. Now. I suspect that we are

891
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: not going to be very happy when with what's going

892
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: on here, with the happy go lucky money hand around,

893
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 2: when we finally get the full details from the liquidators

894
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 2: in time. And I don't think that it's going to

895
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: be a wild prediction from me to say that the

896
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: conclusion that many of us will reach is that government

897
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: just should stay the hell out of funding the latest

898
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: cool thing, whether it's subsidizing Tesla for Desla's for rich people,

899
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 2: or subsidizing solar panels or whatever it is. If the

900
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: business is solid, the private sector will invest in it

901
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: if they need money. If the business needs government money,

902
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: then it might be a sign that we should not

903
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: invest government money. Just look at solar zero. Heather duper

904
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 2: c Allen, alrighty, here we go, Heather, So you're telling

905
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: me one of the most senior legal minds in the

906
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: country claims that she can't write a clear instruction. I

907
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: think we all know what she meant, and so does she.

908
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: Which was special treatment for MARII and other groups. Obviously, Hither,

909
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 2: your interview with the Solicitor General sums up the public

910
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: service in New Zealand. She was caught out pushing a

911
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: personal agenda, dives for cover, does a mere kulpa as

912
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 2: a distraction when forced to save a job, and everyone

913
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: is still confused, and then she gets to keep her job. Hither,

914
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 2: that was not a mistake from Ernajagos. I think we

915
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: all know that, right. That wasn't a mistake. That was

916
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: a Karmala Harris quick change of velocity to keep one's job. Heather,

917
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: my BS meter just mounted down. Hither, I'm confused what

918
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 2: she's trying to say. Hither, I'm more confused than before.

919
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: I think that. I mean, I think we're all confused

920
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 2: because I think that we all know what the truth

921
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: is here, right, which is I mean, come on the

922
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: situation is she wrote the guidelines, Judith Collins looked at

923
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: it and when nah, you're gonna have to change it.

924
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: So she changes it to the guidelines that are published. Right,

925
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: So this is that was quite clearly what she was meaning.

926
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 2: But now we're supposed to believe that we are the

927
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: ones collectively who misinterpreted that. I think that's I don't know.

928
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: I don't want to be unfair to Una. She's a

929
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: very bright woman, but I feel like that meets the

930
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 2: definition of manipulation. What do you think? Hey, the bridge anyway,

931
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: we'll see how it goes. Uner's pretty keen to keep

932
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: her job. We'll see how it goes for her. When

933
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: you're crossing bridge that I told you is opening, so

934
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 2: it's going to open, Well, it's opening in four minutes,

935
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: so I don't know. I mean, I don't know what

936
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 2: you're planning to do with your morning if you're an

937
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: it's opened now, they've opened it early, jeez ekipanuk constantly surprising.

938
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: They're like, we're gonna open it now. Actually, hold on,

939
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: we're not sure we're gonna open it. No, we're opening

940
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: it seven.

941
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 17: Thirty on a hold, I'm under promise over deliver. You

942
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 17: know the rules, They.

943
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 2: Really are all over the show. But here's the thing. Okay,

944
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: So so if you're planning to use the bridge, I

945
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: don't know what you're doing, but if you're in Auckland,

946
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: go and use the bridge, because you know it's a

947
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: new piece of infrastructure essentially, and you know how we

948
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 2: love that we turn up for a tunnel opening, turn

949
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: up for a bridge opening. It's going to be as

950
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 2: a slight wrinkle in this. It will be open every

951
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: day initially, just between seven thirty or seven twenty six

952
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 2: in the morning and eleven thirty at night because they're

953
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: not sure it's going to work properly, so they just

954
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: want to detect rectify any remaining issues. So limited hours

955
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: of operation, but at least it's going a News is

956
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: Next News Dogs dB are don away.

957
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 20: God only, I'm not to tell a fun.

958
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: Away demanding the answers from the decision makers.

959
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 6: Can the duplessy Allen on the my asking breakfast with.

960
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: A Vida Retirement, Communities, Life your Way, news togs, he'd

961
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: be more than a heather.

962
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 2: While I agree with the need for Erna to retreat

963
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 2: from her think carefully about particular decisions where a person

964
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: is Marty's statement, I wonder what you needed to hear

965
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: from her today to actually accept that she acknowledged she'd

966
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: missed the mark and her original statement was resignation the

967
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 2: only option. Now, that's a fair question to ask. Here

968
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: the reason, and I should probably explain this. The reason

969
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: I was pressing unage Goes or what she actually meant

970
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: originally is because I think we should know what she

971
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 2: actually meant originally, because that is actually what she believes.

972
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: And remember she is the lead legal mind in the

973
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: country right so whatever she believes is the direction that

974
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 2: she gives to the prosecutors and actually has a real

975
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: effect out there.

976
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 16: Now.

977
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: The reason that's important is because I suspect what's going

978
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 2: on here is Una has a certain worldview and it

979
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: has been kept in check by the current government that

980
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: we've got elected. But what happens when that government moves on?

981
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: What happens what happens if we have a change government

982
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: got labor back in who may have similar thinking to

983
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 2: unage Goes. Is she often running again with that thought.

984
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 2: So it's about establishing what she actually really believes, because

985
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 2: when she's unchecked, she will do it again. And that's

986
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 2: why I think it's important. Listen, can I tell you

987
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 2: just quickly on the coalition stuff, there's a fair bit

988
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: of talk at the moment about like not big cracks,

989
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: but little cracks may be emerging in the coalition, just

990
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 2: a little bit of maybe it's the end of year.

991
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 2: You know, we're all a bit scratchy, all a bit tired.

992
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 2: And Whinnie and you've had a bit from David c

993
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: thatd of it from Winnie Whin he's done another thing.

994
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: It looks like Winnie's not all that much of a

995
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 2: fan of Chris Luxeon's quarterly plans, because he gave an

996
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 2: interview this week and he said, I don't have this

997
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 2: sort of dashboard crap that I see other people perform

998
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 2: on and a fifty point plan or one hundred point

999
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: plan or a quarter year plan. Now you know what

1000
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 2: that's a reference to, don't you, Because lux and loves

1001
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 2: the old plans. Anyway, when he goes on to say

1002
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: his party will release at some stage a list of

1003
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: things we quietly achieved, because some talk and some do. Anyway,

1004
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 2: he's now pretending because he's now getting questions about this,

1005
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: as you would expect, he's now pretending he wasn't talking

1006
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: about Luxeon at all, and Luxeon's fondness for the quarterly plans.

1007
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: He was talking about Labor because when he was in

1008
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: government with labor, apparently they also had these plans. Now,

1009
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw that. I never saw

1010
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: these plans. News to me that they had these plans.

1011
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 2: But between Winnie having a crack and David Seymour spilling

1012
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: the beans on what's going on with the fairy decision

1013
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 2: and how much that's going to cost, in all of this,

1014
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: it is starting to look and Nikola Willis's face, by

1015
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: the way, if you haven't seen that when asked about

1016
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 2: Winston Peters yesterday, the Ice Queen look that she gave

1017
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: the chill that she shot with her eyes. Between all

1018
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 2: of this, it looks like they're getting on each other's

1019
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: tits a wee bit by the end of the year,

1020
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 2: isn't it twenty away from eight the So the old

1021
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 2: working from home debarkle with public servants has finally got

1022
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: some hard and fast rules around it. The Public Service Commissioner,

1023
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: who's the boss of the lot of them, has now

1024
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: released guidance on working from home. And this remembers a

1025
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: couple of days only after the union announced they're going

1026
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: to sue the government over this and with us. Now

1027
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 2: is the Public Service Commissioner, Sir.

1028
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 18: Brian Roch Brian, Hey, how's it going?

1029
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 2: Very good?

1030
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 18: Thank you?

1031
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 2: Now have you set a minimum here? Do they have

1032
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 2: a minimum number of days they have to be in

1033
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 2: the office?

1034
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 21: No, not at all. We've just given guidance. We've credit

1035
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 21: a framework framework which clarifies the position. So flexibility is

1036
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 21: still a hallmark of what we're doing, but it's only

1037
00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 21: with approval from the employer.

1038
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: Okay, So what is the guidance? What are the rules? Well,

1039
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 2: the rules is.

1040
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 21: If you want to work from home, you have to

1041
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 21: get the agreement, not for your employer. The employer has

1042
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 21: to understand what tasks you're going to be doing. So

1043
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 21: it's a level of oversight because till now it's been.

1044
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 16: A week bit of.

1045
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 21: Whatever, feel like, remembering over fifty percent of public servants

1046
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 21: can't actually work from home. So the guidance is important

1047
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 21: that we understand what's expected of people when they are

1048
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 21: not in the office.

1049
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: How many days and how many days a week do

1050
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 2: you put in the office.

1051
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 21: I put in an excess of five at the moment

1052
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 21: that I'm a learning curve.

1053
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 2: But are you actually going into the office of the

1054
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:41,479
Speaker 2: weekends then.

1055
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 21: No, but I work probably every day for part of

1056
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 21: the day. But you know this is full of rank

1057
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 21: and file people do that.

1058
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, So how many days are you going into the office, Brian?

1059
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 21: I go in five days a week, okay.

1060
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 2: And so as a boss, do you not have an

1061
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 2: opinion when you look around and you see, oh, mate's

1062
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: been at home three days this week? Don't you sort

1063
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 2: of form a judgment on that.

1064
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 21: I try not to because I trust people and.

1065
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: We're obviously not said some guidelines.

1066
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 21: The guidelines are important because without them, actually we have

1067
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 21: no levers to actually be able to understand and defend

1068
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 21: what is happening. And this is not just the public sector.

1069
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 21: The private sector have the same dilemma of you know,

1070
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 21: when people are not in the office, what are they

1071
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 21: doing and who are supervising them?

1072
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 2: Do you think that there is an element of taking

1073
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: the mickey that's been going on here? Are we better

1074
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 2: a sense of entitlement?

1075
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 21: I don't. That's not been my experience. But you know,

1076
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 21: these guidance so the avoidance.

1077
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 2: Of doubt that is not an entitlement has the persause

1078
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 2: My understanding is the union was actually involved in working

1079
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 2: with you guys in creating these guidelines.

1080
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 6: Is that right.

1081
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 17: That's correct.

1082
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 21: We've got a really strong relationship with them.

1083
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: Well, so if the guidelines were basically at the finish point,

1084
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 2: why have they jumped the gun and gone for the

1085
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 2: legal action.

1086
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 21: That's probably a question you should put to them. I

1087
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 21: can assure you we gave it our best shot to

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Speaker 21: understand what the nature of the issues were. They were

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Speaker 21: unable to satisfy us on that, so I thought it's

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Speaker 21: best that for the reasons of being certainty, we push on.

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Speaker 6: Listen, that's what we did.

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Speaker 2: Why don't we follow the example of the UK and

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Speaker 2: Canada and have a sixty percent minimum three days a week.

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Speaker 2: You've got to be in the.

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Speaker 21: Office because we don't need that. At this point, all

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Speaker 21: options still remain on the table. That's not a threat

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Speaker 21: to anyone. But you know, this was a new thing

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Speaker 21: in our work practices. We've learned from it. We've given

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Speaker 21: this framework and guidance. We will continue to monitor and

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Speaker 21: we will modify it as required.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant stuff, Broan, It's really good to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. As Brian Roche the Public Service Commissioner.

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Speaker 2: Just to remind we've got Kerry because of course some

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Speaker 2: Mike's on holidays and Kate's on holiday too, so we've

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Speaker 2: got Kerry and for Kate. Kerry and Tim will be

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Speaker 2: with us after eight this morning, wrapping the political, not

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Speaker 2: the political, just the entire week that was seventeen away

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Speaker 2: from eight.

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Speaker 2: That'd be how you all have seen Candace Owens has

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Speaker 2: got that visa to come into New Zealand. Now, if

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Speaker 2: you're wandering, this is the controversial speaker from the US.

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Speaker 2: If you're wondering why on earth that suddenly cropped up?

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00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 2: So remember Australia Bander. Then we banned it because Australia

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00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: Bander and then it kind of just went away and

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00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 2: you think, well, why on earth are you dridging this

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00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 2: up again? Read the minister. Probably, I would say the

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00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 2: reason is legal action because the Free Speech Union were

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Speaker 2: going to sue him if he didn't do this. So

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Speaker 2: if you have the choice of Lord, how long are

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Speaker 2: you going to drag this out in the media or

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Speaker 2: just get it over and done with and give her

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Speaker 2: the visa probably made the right political decision there. I

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Speaker 2: would say thirteen away from eight. Now ACC levs they're

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Speaker 2: going to go up. They're going to rise steadily over

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Speaker 2: the next three years. They're going to fill a seven

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Speaker 2: point two billion dollar defice, or at least help to

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Speaker 2: And there's going to be a review of ACC with

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Speaker 2: us now. As ACC lawyer and researcher Warren Fallster, Hey, Warren.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, good warning.

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Speaker 18: How do you doing well? Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Do we need this review?

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Speaker 22: We absolutely need this review. And the reason is that

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00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 22: a SEC has really failed New Zealanders over the last

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Speaker 22: few years, and the ministers at the point now where

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Speaker 22: he needs to decide does he keep going with the

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Speaker 22: status quo or do he really pause now and think

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Speaker 22: what's going on there?

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Speaker 2: When you say failed us, is that because of not

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Speaker 2: getting us back to work and out of the rehap.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, And that's the key thing. So New Zealanders get

1143
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 22: injured all the time, and what we need to do

1144
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 22: is rehab to get better. But things have just slowed

1145
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Speaker 22: down so much that it's taking longer. And the really

1146
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 22: important point there is we shouldn't blame New Zealanders. We're

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Speaker 22: out there doing our thing. We're not the experts and

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Speaker 22: rehabilitation a SEC is. But when it's taking sort of

1149
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 22: months to get medical evidence, o a SEC can make

1150
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Speaker 22: decisions months to get decisions on treatment. The bureaucratic process

1151
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 22: has overtaken people's needs and that's costing us more. An

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Speaker 22: ACC now by upping his levees is passing that cost

1153
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 22: back to us. And what the Minute to saying is

1154
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 22: we need to stop here and have a think. And

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Speaker 22: that really is, you know, we need to do that

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00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 22: because we can't keep going in a direction where things

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00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 22: aren't working, and we need to understand why they're not working.

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Speaker 22: And that's what the minister is talking about.

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Speaker 2: Now, Hey, those motorcycle levees are pretty hefty. Do you

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Speaker 2: reckon is this going to get people to give up

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Speaker 2: their bikes?

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Speaker 22: Look, I've got no idea. I don't ride bikes myself.

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Speaker 22: But the whole point is we need to pay for

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Speaker 22: the scheme somehow, and we either do that by levees

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Speaker 22: or we do it by return on investment. And one

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Speaker 22: of it's missing here is that ACC's got sixty odd

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Speaker 22: billion dollars in a big fund. They don't need to

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Speaker 22: collect levees every year to fully fund the scheme because

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Speaker 22: they can use return on investment to do it. And

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Speaker 22: we just need to be really careful when we're having

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Speaker 22: these discussions to take a long term view. Putting my

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Speaker 22: motorcycle levy is up and down is something that happens

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Speaker 22: every few years and it just makes very little sense.

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Speaker 22: What we need to do is look at the big

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Speaker 22: picture and say, Okay, what is costing us, how do

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Speaker 22: we click that money, and most importantly, how do we

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Speaker 22: help people get back to work, get back to their

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Speaker 22: lives and not just cut them off the scheme. That's

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Speaker 22: what we're seeing now. We're starting to see thousands of

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Speaker 22: people who've got brain injuries. A SEC's just decided, look,

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Speaker 22: we don't believe in post concussion syndrome anymore. So thousands

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Speaker 22: of people are just going to get cut off. And

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Speaker 22: that's the exits that we start to see. And we

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Speaker 22: need to stop looking at exiting people and start looking

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Speaker 22: at rehabilitating people.

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Speaker 2: Warren, Thanks, I appreciate your expertise and getting up for us.

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Speaker 2: So that's Warren Forceter, acc lawyer and researcher. Quick question

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Speaker 2: for you, is it weird to buy a present for

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Speaker 2: your kids? Teacher and I'm asking because I think I

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Speaker 2: think it's weird, but I'm not entirely sure. Is this

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Speaker 2: something anyway? I'll explain to you in a minute. Ten

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Speaker 2: away from it.

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Speaker 1: Hither Dupisy Allen on the My Costing break, Lind with Alvida, Retirement,

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Speaker 1: Communities News, Togs dead b.

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Speaker 2: Hither it's only weird if you buy your teacher lingerie,

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Speaker 2: that would be quite weird. We'll get to that in

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Speaker 2: a tick seven away from mate. Now, fantastic news as

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Speaker 2: I told you earlier for businesses along Auckland's win Yard Quarter,

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Speaker 2: because the foot bridge is finally up and running again

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Speaker 2: this morning, and it's been out since March, which has

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Speaker 2: been a real pain in the butt. Tricky Hartley owns

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Speaker 2: the conservatory and is with us. Now, Hey, Tricky, good morning.

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Speaker 2: Have you had a wander across the bridge yet.

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Speaker 15: I haven't had a wonder yet, but I've had multiple

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Speaker 15: texts and messages this morning telling me it's back open finally.

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Speaker 2: Are you relieved?

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Speaker 15: Incredibly relieving, and to be honest, we're all incredibly excited.

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Speaker 15: And then it's to welcome everyone back to look at

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Speaker 15: your quarter.

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Speaker 2: Do you how many people have you lost as a

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Speaker 2: result of that bridge been down.

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Speaker 15: Business has been down sixty percent since it close. We

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Speaker 15: winter down there as tough anyway, but this has been

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Speaker 15: incredibly hard for all of us.

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Speaker 2: Do you think, though, because it's been down for such

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Speaker 2: a long time and we're talking nine months now, are

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Speaker 2: you going to need to remind people that you guys

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Speaker 2: exist or they're just going to start coming back over

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Speaker 2: Do you think?

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Speaker 6: I think both?

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Speaker 15: I think definitely. There definitely needs to be some some

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00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 15: work out there in the community to make sure everyone's

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Speaker 15: aware that in its back open, which is appreciately doing

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Speaker 15: so this morning, because it's been a very long and

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Speaker 15: frustrating year for every business and their staff in the area.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally has. What do you make of the fact

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Speaker 2: that it was sort of like it was done without

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Speaker 2: much fanfare this morning. We weren't even sure until about

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Speaker 2: six fifty three that it was actually going to open.

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Speaker 15: No, they didn't fill us with a great deal of

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Speaker 15: confidence something will it was going to be today. I

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Speaker 15: want to have picked Friday the thirteenth personally as a date,

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Speaker 15: but no, we were away it was possibly going to

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Speaker 15: be today, but I think they were just safeguarding themselves

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Speaker 15: as usual.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably just hitting their bits, which does worry me. Tricky,

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Speaker 2: thanks man, and best of like and hopefully the bridge

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Speaker 2: keeps working, because even that's not a serio of the tricky,

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00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 2: hardly the conservatory. So if you are down in the

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Speaker 2: viaduct and you're wanting to spend some dollars, give them

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00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 2: a go at the when you caught Are they really

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Speaker 2: really if this is an Auckland obviously, do we.

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Speaker 17: Need to explain to the rest of the country that

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00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 17: this is like a it's a drawbridge, yes, that goes

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Speaker 17: up and down, which is because I think we just

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Speaker 17: keep calling it this bridge there. Oh yeahs open.

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Speaker 2: Probably do need to explain it.

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Speaker 17: The whole situation is a bit stupid that you've got about,

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Speaker 17: I don't know, sixteen boats or something that have tall

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Speaker 17: masks that wouldn't fit under a bridge, have that sometimes

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00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 17: go past it and sometimes don't.

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Speaker 2: And well, I mean there's also the aspect that you

1253
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 2: could just walk around, couldn't you, or you could just

1254
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 2: get an ubit, But no, no, we've got to have

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Speaker 2: this bridge. It's a very complicated, it's all. It's just

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Speaker 2: absolutely I.

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Speaker 17: Mean, if this is Queenstown, that a zip line or something.

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Speaker 2: Probably something of the sort here to give the teacher

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Speaker 2: a present, maybe just give them a card. Actually, do

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Speaker 2: you know what? I agree with that? Because the reason

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Speaker 2: I raised this is because there is a debate and

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Speaker 2: this happens like it seems to be happening increasingly. It's

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Speaker 2: becoming increasingly popular to buy the tea a present if

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00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 2: you've got kids right, And it's got now to the

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Speaker 2: point where the Ministry of Education has a Financial Information

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Speaker 2: for School's handbook which tells you some of the rules

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Speaker 2: around buying by literally, it tells you the rules around

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Speaker 2: buying a present for the teacher. You're not supposed to

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Speaker 2: give them cash. That's not appropriate business. Sounds like you're

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Speaker 2: trying to buy good grades, isn't it. The schools themselves

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00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 2: now publish policies like if you give a teacher a

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Speaker 2: present under fifty bucks, they can keep it, otherwise they can't.

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00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 2: The Warehouse and various other stores have curated lists for

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00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 2: like gift ideas for your teacher. Now, I look, I think, okay,

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00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 2: first of all, likes a clear rule here you do

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00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 2: not buy a teacher. For a second, you don't buy

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Speaker 2: a present for a secondary school teacher. That's weird. I

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00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: think For the primary school teacher, the younger maybe you

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Speaker 2: want to give them a card on Kindy's absolutely fine.

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Speaker 2: You can do a card or something like because you've

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00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 2: got a relationship with the kindy teachers. You're in their

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00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 2: face the whole time. But it is weird that we're

1283
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: putting pressure, isn't it on parents when budgets already stretched. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk to Kerry and Tim about it. That were

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Speaker 2: us next, he stalks.

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Speaker 5: B Mazie, your trusted source for news and fews.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy Ellen on the mic, asking breakfast with the

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Speaker 1: range rover villa designed to intrigue and use talks dead Bee.

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Speaker 1: It's Christmas time, my dear, and we said no gifts

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Speaker 1: this year.

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Speaker 2: I go one question. If you're not going to believe her,

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Speaker 2: this is what did you guess?

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Speaker 20: This is actually him?

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Speaker 15: This is him.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Fallon. Yes, Krrie, sorry, you've got to turn Mike on.

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Speaker 20: I didn't realize. I know, I know, I'm not supposed to.

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Speaker 2: Carrie just went to no because nobody knew that Jimmy

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Speaker 2: Fallon can actually sing?

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Speaker 23: He is he can?

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Speaker 20: I've seen him with Santa Baby, with Miley Cyrus.

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Speaker 16: Have you Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So this is Christmas thing, doll, I think, which is

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Speaker 2: one minute in sixteen. I know Mike likes to give

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Speaker 2: you the time as a value for money thing one minute,

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01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 2: so the songs are on the short side.

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Speaker 17: This has actually wrapped me up with one of these

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Speaker 17: things with Megan Trainer.

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Speaker 1: I'm just making it up.

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Speaker 2: I was trying to sound like I knew what I

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Speaker 2: was talking about as Meghan Traynor, and this was wrapped

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Speaker 2: me up. And it's a bit longer. It's two minutes forty,

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Speaker 2: but there you go. So if you're thinking, I, you

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Speaker 2: know what, I can't give myself enough of these idiots

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Speaker 2: on American cable TV, then I'm going to go by myself.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Fallon's the Holiday.

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Speaker 1: Seasoning the Weekend Review with two degrees bringing smart business

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Speaker 1: solutions to the table.

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Speaker 2: Do you get the joke?

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Speaker 11: This?

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Speaker 2: The album is called Holiday Seasoning with Me Right now,

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Speaker 2: we have Tim Wilson.

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Speaker 18: Are you there? Tim? Yeah, I'm here. Jimmy Fallon sounds

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Speaker 18: a bit augmented. Actually, is there a bit of Ai

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Speaker 18: gun in there?

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Speaker 2: It could well be the case. And I had to

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Speaker 2: leave it for a while before I said hello to

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Speaker 2: Kerry because Kerry actually walked in there, she goes again.

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Speaker 2: She's walking away from the microphone. What is your bodd

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Speaker 2: is wrong with you? What's looking?

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Speaker 20: Sorry, I've got a very important guest coming in up

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Speaker 20: to night. Look at the state of this.

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Speaker 2: It is disgusting because you know who's been sitting there?

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Speaker 20: Do Matt Heath?

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Speaker 2: Matt Heath has been sitting there?

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Speaker 18: And Heath again.

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Speaker 20: I don't mind if people leave a few crumbs on

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Speaker 20: the desk, heavens, we all do it, but clean up

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Speaker 20: after yourself.

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Speaker 18: How do you?

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Speaker 20: And Christopher Luxen coming in at nine? He can't sit

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Speaker 20: in amongst Matt Heath's filth quite.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that.

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Speaker 20: While I'm sitting here chatting, I'll just multitask.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we do, because we are women. So we're just

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Speaker 2: tidy up because we don't know what else to do.

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Speaker 23: I feel like, can I just feel like I'm being

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Speaker 23: a woman's blamed here? Okay, all right, men do tidy

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Speaker 23: up as well.

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Speaker 2: That is a lot.

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Speaker 20: No, that's true. There are immaculate tidy uppers, are there?

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Speaker 20: Immaculate name one?

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01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 2: He was actually very good point. There's enough to man though,

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Speaker 2: or an alien.

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Speaker 20: I have no empirical evidence myself, but I'm sure there

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Speaker 20: are women up and down the country.

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Speaker 12: You do.

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Speaker 2: This gets worse because I sat down just and we

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Speaker 2: have this desk to one side, and underneath the desk

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Speaker 2: is a shelf so we can hide all the gross

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Speaker 2: stuff and just come up on her hand black that

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Speaker 2: the wet wipes come up black. Anyway, Underneath the desk,

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Speaker 2: sitting on a napkin, is four little Christmas treats like

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Speaker 2: oreos that have been decorated like reindeer, which were very cute.

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Speaker 20: At eleven o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Not quite so we think the boys. Yeah, we think

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Speaker 2: the boys brought them in at midday and have left

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Speaker 2: them here for twenty four hours, just sitting in a studio.

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Speaker 20: No, Matt's left them on the floor.

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Speaker 2: Disgusting. Okay, now the fairy decision. What did you think

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Speaker 2: of that? Tim, You're a normal person out there, not

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Speaker 2: a politico, which I.

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Speaker 6: Think, Well, I don't.

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Speaker 23: I don't you know the whole it's an announcement about

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Speaker 23: an announcement.

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Speaker 18: I get.

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Speaker 23: I feel that's kind of like a belt weigh mode.

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Speaker 23: As a normal person, I just want to know there's

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Speaker 23: going to be a fairy. Should I decide to take

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Speaker 23: a fairy? And that I'm not going to have to

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Speaker 23: pay too much and do you feel like you know,

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Speaker 23: I don't know that, but I don't actually care because

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Speaker 23: I don't drive down to the South Island much. But

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Speaker 23: I am worried about Mveggi's coming up from the South Island.

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Speaker 23: So that's I guess that's where I'm at. It's like, well,

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Speaker 23: do we need to do? How can we get to

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Speaker 23: deliver this? Because there was a great observation by I

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Speaker 23: think Jonathan mill in news romy saying this is a problem.

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Speaker 23: The dilemma of treating what is it state owned Kiwi

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Speaker 23: Rail and treating it like a private company and then

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Speaker 23: forcing it to provide a loss making service.

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Speaker 18: That's the issue.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, well it is loss making. I mean you look

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Speaker 20: at the Napier widal line that was set up by

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Speaker 20: under the previous administration, and that was going to take

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Speaker 20: the logs and provide a suitable alternative to State Highway too,

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Speaker 20: and when there were wash outs and slips, it would

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Speaker 20: be no, they're not using it because it costs too much. Yeah,

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Speaker 20: and it's lost leading. But I mean, honestly, it feels

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Speaker 20: like there was a deal. I don't think this reflects

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Speaker 20: very well on the coalition.

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Speaker 2: Government now and isn't this actually the problem?

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Speaker 20: Carry it was a deal and then Winston goes, no,

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01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 20: I tell you what, I've got my voter base to

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Speaker 20: look after, and I want rail involved.

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Speaker 2: I want a better deal. The problem is that they

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Speaker 2: have come in. It was one of the first things

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Speaker 2: that they did as the government last year, right they

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Speaker 2: came in they canceled that ferry because they're like, no,

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01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 2: this is while miles too expensive. We can do better.

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Speaker 20: Even Grant Robertson acknowledged it.

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't look like they can do better. No,

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Speaker 2: which is awkward, isn't it.

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Speaker 20: It is you really did have to have a resounding

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Speaker 20: announcement otherwise you say, look terribly sorry, it's got complicated

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01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 20: because of coalition agreement. We're going to make a definite

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Speaker 20: announcement in the new year.

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Speaker 23: But to your point to I think Heather, well, I

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01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 23: was going to go to your point, Actually, Heather, that

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Speaker 23: is at the end of the year. You know Winston's saying,

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Speaker 23: I don't do dashboards, I don't do quarterly plans. But

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Speaker 23: you know, everyone's a bit scratched starting to show yea everybody, well, well,

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01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 23: but this is bigger than that.

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Speaker 18: I think too.

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Speaker 2: What do you think is going on? That's bigger than that?

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Speaker 11: Tim?

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 23: What I mean is it's just a big, bigger issue

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Speaker 23: than the sort of end of year collapse. It's actually there.

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Speaker 23: I think you guys are right. It's proved to be

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Speaker 23: more expensive than they anticipated, and they they're sort of

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Speaker 23: scrambling to find an alternative.

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Speaker 2: They're all getting on each other's nerves, aren't they care? Everything?

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Speaker 2: Did you see Nikola Willis's face when she was asked

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01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 2: about Winston Peters yesterday? It was like a turn sneaker,

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01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 2: speaker and a gustel everybody's head because then he's amazing.

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Speaker 23: It looked like it looked like an oreo treat left

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Speaker 23: in the studio by overnight overnight.

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Speaker 2: Okay, listen, Kerry, have you finished wiping?

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01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 20: Look at the state of that.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's it is. It's a white cloth that's

1441
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 2: come up gray.

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Speaker 20: I might actually frame this and leave it on the studio.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to take a really quick break and Kerry,

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01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 2: we're going to get you more wet wipes. You're gonna

1445
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 2: do the whole desk I'm going to have to do.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have to Okay, thirteen past.

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Speaker 1: Eight, the Mic Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 6: It by News Talks.

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Speaker 12: At b.

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Speaker 3: Sixteen past eight the Weekend Review with two degrees fighting

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01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 3: for fear for Kiwi business.

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Speaker 2: Well, go on, then, Carrie, so we took a break.

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01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 2: You vacuumed, you vacuumed, vacuumed.

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01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 20: You madly did the other side of the desk. And honestly,

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01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 20: did you see American talk show hosting this before the president?

1456
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 2: Can you imagine Anderson Cooper just whipping around the studio

1457
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Speaker 2: really quickly before bidy.

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Speaker 20: Are heavily pregnant?

1459
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Speaker 6: And yeah, and I'm old.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, it's all done, nothing to worry about. Back to

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Speaker 2: normal situation. Normal, Hey, Tim, listen, I'll tell you what's

1462
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Speaker 2: been fascinating for me has been watching what's going on

1463
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Speaker 2: with the banks this week and the fact that the

1464
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Speaker 2: banks are not lending to the gas stations after twenty thirty.

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Speaker 6: Now, now that, what do you think of that?

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Speaker 18: Yeah?

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Speaker 23: I think, I mean, I think they should bring the

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Speaker 23: com coom into that. That seems like a perfect, a

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01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 23: perfect thing to look at. Because I'm the Yeah, and

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Speaker 23: we'll think because I'm getting to the.

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Speaker 2: Minister about this earlier.

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Speaker 23: This is Andrew Bailly and he's not into It's not

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Speaker 23: really I'm.

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Speaker 2: Not sure that this is cartail enough behavior to actually

1475
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Speaker 2: justify a calm investigation. What do you reckon?

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Speaker 23: Let's just why don't we let them take a look

1477
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Speaker 23: at it at least and then they can decide, But

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Speaker 23: let's not pre empt it.

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Speaker 18: What I thought was interesting was it's the smaller operators.

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Speaker 23: You spoke with the white Tom operator, yeah, CEO of

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Speaker 23: y Tom wil which is a pretty big one, and saying, oh, look,

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Speaker 23: it's not it's not affecting us, but they're picking off

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01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 23: the smaller, smaller, smaller guys, which I find that that

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Speaker 23: sounds unjust to me.

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Speaker 20: But do you know what, this is why we have

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Speaker 20: secular lawmakers, because my morality might be different to your morality. Yes,

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Speaker 20: and so that's why we don't have rule by Bible

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Speaker 20: or Koran or whatever, or climate or climate change or

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Speaker 20: Greta Tomberg. You know, you have secular lawmakers who say

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Speaker 20: this is against the law, this is not so why

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Speaker 20: can't the banks follow that? So if it's going to

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Speaker 20: be against the law to drive a fossil or an

1493
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Speaker 20: ice car, then make it against the law, and then

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Speaker 20: the banks don't lend.

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Speaker 2: To a discussion about that argument that we're not going

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Speaker 2: to be We're going to be driving electric vehicles in

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Speaker 2: six years.

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Speaker 20: So it made me think maybe I could run a

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Speaker 20: bank with my.

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Speaker 18: Gloria Veil as well.

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Speaker 20: I know, but him saying we're going to go from

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Speaker 20: two point two percent of the of New Zealand's fleet

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Speaker 20: being electric two you know, sixty twenty thirty?

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Speaker 2: Are we? Dan?

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Speaker 18: Are we?

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Speaker 2: I don't use those numbers when you're doing in the mortgage.

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Speaker 20: I mean he's doing those numbers. I could be the

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Speaker 20: head of a bank.

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Speaker 2: I think so too. Yeah, we're all we're all fine

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Speaker 2: with that.

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Speaker 20: I'm really insensed by that. I mean, this is why

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Speaker 20: we have laws, so that my morality doesn't mean that

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Speaker 20: you live your life the way I think you should.

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Speaker 2: And let's understand something about the banks as well. Right,

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Speaker 2: the banks are really powerful, so if they start calling

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Speaker 2: shots like this, they can actually screw your life.

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Speaker 20: Over in the UK, they're de banking one thousand people

1518
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 20: a day for different reasons.

1519
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 18: Yeah, that's and that that is that is a really

1520
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 18: big issue.

1521
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 23: So I thought, you know, something happens on social media

1522
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 23: and then suddenly you're you're all financial resources also if

1523
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:49,480
Speaker 23: you've been but yeah, more more than canceled. So cancelation.

1524
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:51,799
Speaker 23: You can still get stuff out of an ATM, even though.

1525
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 20: I mean literally literally cans.

1526
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 18: Yeah, absolutely, And given that.

1527
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 20: This is a capitalist society and nobody's come up. And

1528
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 20: that's the other thing. The thanks are going, you have

1529
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 20: to do this. They're writing checks that they expect other

1530
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 20: people to cash, you know that, to provide for They're saying,

1531
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 20: we have to do this to be better people.

1532
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 2: But you have to do it, not us, Yeah, thanking

1533
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 2: for it.

1534
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 18: You know what this is.

1535
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:15,679
Speaker 23: This is a bit of an example too, like there's

1536
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:19,799
Speaker 23: a there's a strong seam of progressivism within corporate corporate

1537
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 23: New Zealand, corporate America, et cetera. So on the one hand,

1538
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 23: super capitalist, I fly in business cart class, I guess

1539
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 23: a whole lot of people for a consulting agency, then

1540
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 23: I fly out.

1541
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 18: But oh no, climate change, No, we must think everything

1542
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 18: we can.

1543
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 20: And that's exactly what annoys me. And that's why we

1544
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 20: need laws, not this kind of holier than they.

1545
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 2: Totally agree reality.

1546
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 20: Listen to me, what happened to the smaller banks? Why

1547
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 20: didn't they sign the alliance? Were they not invited? Or

1548
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 20: do we all take our banking to Taranaki Savings Bank?

1549
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 20: They have to do because I know you've flunced off.

1550
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 2: From Kiwibank And now, well they were part of the alliance,

1551
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 2: but they were doing the coal mining thing and I

1552
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 2: got I got rid of. So where do we go?

1553
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 20: I don't know a TBS or SBS or Heartland.

1554
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 2: You do the research, okay? Can I just take a

1555
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:02,560
Speaker 2: bank's approach? You do the hard work for me?

1556
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 6: In do we do?

1557
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:07,879
Speaker 2: We do we give teachers presents?

1558
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 16: Yes?

1559
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 18: Yes, well.

1560
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 23: Geography even if they'd been useless.

1561
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 20: Oh no, you only give presents to the teachers you like? Okay, yeah,

1562
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,560
Speaker 20: but that was the way I operated. And that's like,

1563
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 20: but with the kids, the grand kids, all the all

1564
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 20: the mums put into an internet or i'd say parents,

1565
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 20: but we know who would who read the email? And actually,

1566
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 20: well I'm sorry, I'm still sitting amongst the filth. So

1567
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 20: I'm still fester And but you call it off at

1568
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 20: intermediate right, not not beyond that? Well, then you do

1569
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,480
Speaker 20: individual presence. But I like the way everybody can contribute

1570
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 20: what they could afford, and nobody knew how much it was,

1571
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 20: but they managed to get prizy cards with a considerable

1572
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 20: amount of the three teachers. And I'm sorry. I know

1573
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 20: there are problems with the curriculum, and I know everyone

1574
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 20: war is on about the teachers holidays. They are doing

1575
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 20: an amazing job. They are doing an incredible job, and

1576
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 20: they've been having to leap through hoops for every single

1577
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 20: successive government that comes in with a new idea, and

1578
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 20: they have the children's best interests at heart all the time.

1579
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 23: But but there's also another another measure to this, which

1580
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 23: is how well your kids behaved in class. So if

1581
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 23: you kids behave badly, you get them chocolates. If you

1582
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 23: pardon me, if your kids bathe badly, you get them Scotch.

1583
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 23: You can get by with a box of faper from guys.

1584
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 2: Thank you, it's wonderful to chat. You are really appreciated.

1585
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 2: Carry best of luck with the Prime Minister when he's

1586
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 2: in and it looks done it.

1587
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 20: It does, at least it does look get typhoid.

1588
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll see you again.

1589
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 20: You killed the Prime minister, good reindeer.

1590
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah and alright, some men carry eight twenty two.

1591
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:55,839
Speaker 1: Heather duplessy Ellen pond on Mike asking break we're the range.

1592
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 6: Rover of the lawn us.

1593
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 2: For goodness sake, carry it. It's not going anything to

1594
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 2: do with morality. The head of B and Z has

1595
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 2: stated explicitly that it's a risk based decision debate that

1596
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,600
Speaker 2: that is bs John. I'm happy to come to Kerry's defensiveness.

1597
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 2: Where's the risk? I've been thinking about this because any

1598
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 2: name's risk based, risk base. We're not going to lend

1599
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 2: to the fossil fuel companies and rist bans. What's the risk?

1600
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 2: What is the risk? The greatest risk is it appears

1601
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 2: to be driven by by some regulations that the numpties

1602
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 2: at the Reserve Bank have done while they took a

1603
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,560
Speaker 2: break from pretending to be a tree. And if that

1604
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 2: is the case, if this is driven by regulation, there

1605
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 2: is no punishment by the way in the regulation it

1606
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 2: simply says they have to do climate reporting. But it

1607
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:34,640
Speaker 2: doesn't say if you don't do your climate reporting and

1608
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 2: you're not meeting your targets, then we're gonna start punishing you.

1609
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 2: There's no risk there, So where is the risk? They

1610
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 2: just say that stuff so people read and go, oh,

1611
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 2: must be a risk anyway. Listen lots of text saying

1612
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 2: actually the best thing that you could do is by

1613
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 2: the teacher, is right, the teacher a card and just

1614
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 2: say how grateful you are. And I kind of I'm

1615
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 2: on board with that. But on the subject of Christmas presents, okay,

1616
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 2: I was reading the papers are full right now of

1617
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 2: what you need to buy this person in your life

1618
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 2: and that person in your life. And there's a chap

1619
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 2: who writes for the Guardian who's tried to solve the

1620
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 2: problem for us of what to buy the man in

1621
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 2: your life this Christmas. And he says that this is

1622
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 2: He says, don't buy the man a treat like I

1623
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know, a set, I don't know.

1624
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 2: Whatever you buy men iPhone, I don't know, don't buy

1625
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,679
Speaker 2: the mat if you really care, get us a modest

1626
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 2: upgrade of a bargain basement product that you've spotted us using,

1627
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:27,759
Speaker 2: so for example, corkscrews, pepper grinders, pencil sharpeners. The nicest

1628
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 2: thing he reckons he ever got was a really nice

1629
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 2: potato masher two decades ago from his mum, and he

1630
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 2: still thinks about it because he's still using it after

1631
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 2: twenty years. He still thinks about how every time he

1632
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 2: uses it. That sounds stink.

1633
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 17: If anybody's listening and wondering what to get me, not

1634
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 17: a potato masher, No thanks, I think mind one does

1635
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 17: the job. That's fine.

1636
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's stink.

1637
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 17: Imagine that we do like toys.

1638
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 2: I'll say that there is honestly potato mashes anyway, So

1639
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 2: good luck men, someone's gonna read that headline snatch.

1640
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 1: Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues. Here

1641
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 1: the duplicy Ellen on the mic asking breakfast with Bailey's

1642
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 1: real estate, your local experts across residential, commercial, and rural

1643
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 1: news togs dea'd be hither.

1644
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 2: You haven't lived until you've used my rubber made can opener.

1645
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 2: And I just love my Pergo pepper grinder. And you

1646
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:28,560
Speaker 2: can absolutely give me a qualities a quality boy toy anytime.

1647
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 17: A Pergo I've seen them.

1648
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Pucho pepper grinder, so has.

1649
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 17: It got like classic bits that fall off, just like

1650
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 17: the caz Or.

1651
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 2: You need to start shopping in more expensive places, stop

1652
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 2: buying all your kitchen stuff from the warehouse, and then

1653
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 2: you'll find you find one of those pepper grinders. But look,

1654
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 2: I'm on board with all of this. I love a

1655
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 2: quality kitchen the thing, because nobody wants to sit there

1656
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 2: fiddling trying to get into the beer with one of

1657
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 2: those beer openers, and you're slipping because the thing isn't

1658
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 2: properly designed, you know. So yeah, you're going to spot

1659
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 2: the money?

1660
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 17: Do you not just whip the top of the bottle

1661
01:15:58,880 --> 01:15:59,719
Speaker 17: off with your teeth.

1662
01:15:59,560 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 20: Like I do?

1663
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:04,640
Speaker 2: No, Because I'm a woman, obviously, I haven't learned that

1664
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 2: trick yet. I will at some step. I'm still trying

1665
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 2: to master how to do it with the teaspoon. But

1666
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 2: I don't know that Christmas is the time for this

1667
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:11,640
Speaker 2: kind of thing. I feel like this is just one

1668
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 2: of that. This is like a Valentine's Day gift. I

1669
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 2: feel like I will give you a Valentine's Day gift

1670
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:18,719
Speaker 2: of a Dave next Valentine's Day of a Pergo pepper grinder.

1671
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 2: But for Christmas, I want to give you something a

1672
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 2: little more special, like bourbon. And by the way, Glenn's

1673
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 2: wife when he says that he wants bourbon.

1674
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 17: I have adult children as well who alcohol too.

1675
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 2: And mother when he says he wants bourbon, he's not

1676
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 2: being sarcastic like he normally is. He keeps saying bourbon

1677
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 2: because he would like you to buy some bourbon. So

1678
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 2: if you could just sort that out, otherwise we're gonna

1679
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 2: have to chip in and buy bourbon and it's going

1680
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 2: to cost us a lot of money and I want

1681
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 2: to have to twenty two away from nine.

1682
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 5: International correspondence with ends and eye Insurance, Peace of mind

1683
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 5: for New Zealand business, Mary Olds, I'll corresponding with us, Mars.

1684
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 24: How are you good morning here? They're pretty well?

1685
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 12: Thank you in over the week.

1686
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good to talk to you.

1687
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 18: Now.

1688
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:56,640
Speaker 2: What do you make of P and G and the

1689
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,679
Speaker 2: NRL and all of the politics in this well, look.

1690
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 24: I've been up to P and G a couple of

1691
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 24: times on different stories over the years. They love rugby league,

1692
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 24: has no doubt about that. Channel nine is the only

1693
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 24: channel they watch in P and G down and here

1694
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 24: in Australia. And to have a rugby league team it's

1695
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 24: the national sport. So to have a rugby league team

1696
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 24: in itself is as far as P and G is concerned,

1697
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 24: and my limited knowledge of the rugby league passion they

1698
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 24: have there, it's just going to be the best thing

1699
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 24: going as far as P and G is concerned.

1700
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 17: But it does come with a bit of a catch.

1701
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,759
Speaker 24: The federal Government's going to chipen six hundred million dollars

1702
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 24: to get this team up and running. It's due to

1703
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 24: kickoff in the competition, the NRL comp Heather in twenty

1704
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 24: twenty eight. But as I say, there's a catch, it's

1705
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 24: a ten year deal. There's no explicit right of veto

1706
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 24: for the any decisions that the P and G government

1707
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 24: might make. For example, gee, whiz, let's have China build

1708
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 24: a brand new port, say, But underpinning all of this

1709
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 24: is the explicit idea that P and G will have

1710
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 24: nothing to do with any overtures that China might make,

1711
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 24: as it's doing elsewhere in the Pacific, China will always

1712
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 24: get excluded in favor of Australia, or it could be

1713
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 24: in New Zealand or whatever. But what the Australian government

1714
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 24: under Albanesi's trying to do is quarantine PNNG from any

1715
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 24: Chinese overtures. What better way to do it, Heather than

1716
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 24: having a brand new NRL team flying the Papua New

1717
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 24: Guinea colors.

1718
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 2: But is it any good for the think about it?

1719
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 2: Is it any good for the competition? Because now you're

1720
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 2: going to have to attract players who's going to want

1721
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 2: to go and live in P and G, especially if

1722
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:37,959
Speaker 2: you've got kids, right, even if you're in the compound.

1723
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 2: So you're going to get the very young players who

1724
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 2: haven't got kids, and you're going to get the older

1725
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 2: players who are near retirement needing to make their money.

1726
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 2: So the team's going to be a bit sub a

1727
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 2: bit subpar. That's not a great experience for fans, is it.

1728
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 24: Well perhaps not, but you could maybe And I hesitate

1729
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 24: to say this because the Worries are my second team.

1730
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 24: What a bunch of underachievers down the years.

1731
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:57,759
Speaker 12: They've been in there for decades.

1732
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 2: Now, Well, it's the same problem of us, isn't it

1733
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,759
Speaker 2: the same problem. No one's wife wants to live in Auckland,

1734
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,799
Speaker 2: but they absolutely do not want to live in Port Moresby.

1735
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 24: Port Moresby can be a bit a bit scary, no

1736
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 24: doubt about it. Yeah, look, it's a legitimate concern. But

1737
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 24: the NRL is talking up the prospects of the team. Yes,

1738
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 24: we will attract good players, blah blah blah. They are

1739
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,720
Speaker 24: obliged to say that, aren't they. Yeah, so maybe it

1740
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 24: will be an easy beat for.

1741
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 12: The first little while.

1742
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 24: We also understand this morning is going to be the

1743
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 24: North Sydney Bears, one of the foundation teams that needs

1744
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 24: to be stacked with Kiwi Internationals. They were dumped from

1745
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 24: the comp a couple of decades back. They're going to

1746
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 24: be setting up in Perth. Could be aroun at the

1747
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 24: same time as the P and G side.

1748
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:42,640
Speaker 2: Hey listen, why did Murdoch go to the synagogue?

1749
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 24: Well, it looks good he's here in Australia for Christmas.

1750
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 24: The Australian newspaper that he owns has been belting the

1751
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 24: Albanzy government silly because Elbow didn't go to the Adas

1752
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:58,679
Speaker 24: Synagogue last week when the thing was firebombed. Extensive damage there.

1753
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 24: It's many say the most important synagogue in Australia. So

1754
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 24: Murdoch being in Australia for the Christmas holidays, he was

1755
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 24: visiting Melbourne, looking at the News Corp structure down there,

1756
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 24: meeting all the staff and he just hopped in the

1757
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 24: back of a Lemma with his wife and they went

1758
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 24: along to the synagogue. His wife may be Jewish in

1759
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 24: the back of my mind in any event, was it

1760
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:27,560
Speaker 24: was an opportunity for the bottom News Corp to and

1761
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 24: don't forget he's headquartered in the United States in New

1762
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 24: York News Corp. A lot of Jews in New York,

1763
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 24: a lot of heavyweight lobbying in New York and in

1764
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 24: Australia in terms of the bloody, horrific attacks on Jews

1765
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 24: and Jewish institutions and random attacks in Sydney's eastern suburbs

1766
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 24: where the majority of Sydney's Jews live, you know, halfwoods,

1767
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:57,480
Speaker 24: fire bombing cars and spraying f Israel all over apartment blocks.

1768
01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:57,600
Speaker 16: And so on.

1769
01:20:57,960 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 12: It's dreadful, It's horrible.

1770
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 2: Anybody pople are scared. Anybody have the courage to ask

1771
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 2: him what's going on with his Succession court?

1772
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 12: I don't think so.

1773
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 24: Certainly not the Australian headquarters.

1774
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 17: No, because did you see that the next series.

1775
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,600
Speaker 2: I mean, this is basically spawning a spin off, isn't it.

1776
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 2: Did you see that? The reason that the family even

1777
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 2: got into this court case is because they were watching Succession,

1778
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,759
Speaker 2: which is based on them, and they were watching Succession

1779
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:21,959
Speaker 2: and they thought, oh, geez.

1780
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 24: Life is life imitating art?

1781
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 19: Mate?

1782
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 2: Well, mate, it's life imitating art that is imitating life.

1783
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 2: We're totally bizarre, isn't it. Are you looking forward to

1784
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 2: finding about finding out about this nuclear energy plan.

1785
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 12: Oh very much.

1786
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 24: This is what Peter Dutton is going to be announcing today.

1787
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 24: We understand, you know he's been banging on about nuclear

1788
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 24: energy for the last well, well if I said twelve months,

1789
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 24: certainly all year, and Labor has been saying, okay, put

1790
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 24: some meat on the bone. Let's have a listen to

1791
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 24: what you've got to say and a look at your costings.

1792
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:56,640
Speaker 24: There've been two reports out this year by the CSIRO,

1793
01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:01,600
Speaker 24: which is Australia's premiere scientific organization, the Commonwealth Scientific and

1794
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 24: Research Institute whatever it is, it's you know, all the boffers,

1795
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 24: the brainiest people in Australia work for the CSIRO. They

1796
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 24: have canned Dutton's plan, saying it's too expensive and it'll

1797
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 24: be far too late. Dutton, for his part, has said, well,

1798
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 24: you guys are biased. Hello, we're scientists, we've got pointy heads.

1799
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 24: We're not biased politically. We don't care. We're looking at

1800
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 24: the numbers. But Dutton's going to come out today and say,

1801
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 24: guess what. My plan will keep coal power going for

1802
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 24: a lot longer, and we will transition out to a

1803
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 24: system by mid century. We're going to have.

1804
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:37,640
Speaker 12: Nuclear power here. Nuclear power will be.

1805
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 24: Almost forty percent of Australia's power needs, fifty percent will

1806
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 24: be from renewables and the balance, you know, a combination

1807
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 24: of storage and gas. Well, the critics are saying it's

1808
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:53,680
Speaker 24: absolute pie in the sky. Dunton hasn't got a hope

1809
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 24: in hell. It's going to be twice as expensive.

1810
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:56,799
Speaker 12: He claims.

1811
01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 24: Labour's plan to have almost all renewables by century is

1812
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 24: absolute fantasy stuff. So it's going to be an absolute

1813
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 24: trigger point at the next election, which must be held,

1814
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 24: as we know. But between now and May, that and

1815
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:13,799
Speaker 24: the cost of living, And having said that, there's apparently

1816
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 24: some nervous Nelly's in the coalition on the backbench probably saying, oh, listen,

1817
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 24: let's not go too hard on nuclear. Let's focus where

1818
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 24: people are really really concerned on cost of living. No

1819
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 24: early interest rate, cup, We don't think on the back

1820
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 24: of the very strong employment figures out yesterday, anyone hoping

1821
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 24: for some mortgage relief in February or March is probably

1822
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 24: going to be whistling in the wind.

1823
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 12: Heather, I'm afraid to say.

1824
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:38,680
Speaker 2: Mars, listen, good to talk to you is always going

1825
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 2: to enjoy that Murriol's Australia correspondent here. The Pugio started

1826
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 2: out as an engineering company that created the grinder mechanism itself.

1827
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 2: The motor vehicles are just a recent thing. The pepper

1828
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 2: grind does a trademark and have been around for over

1829
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 2: one hundred years.

1830
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 1: Then you go quarter to nine, the Mike Asking Breakfast

1831
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:59,280
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1832
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 1: B eleven.

1833
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 2: Away from mind listen to spare Thought. Here we are

1834
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 2: talking about what to get people for Christmas. Spare thought

1835
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 2: for the All Blacks because that literally the opposite is

1836
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 2: happening to them. I don't know if you've seen this,

1837
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 2: but Ford has ended its sponsorship of the All Blacks.

1838
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 2: And little known fact potentially is that Ford's sponsorship of

1839
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 2: the All Blacks meant that they all got a car. Right,

1840
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 2: So all of a sudden, there are the sponsorship ends

1841
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 2: on the thirty first of January. And I don't know

1842
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 2: how much of a heads up they've hadded for this,

1843
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 2: but they all have to give their cars back. Now,

1844
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 2: I was thinking, just imagine, I mean, look, you're not

1845
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 2: gonna have a lot of sympathy. I know you're not

1846
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 2: gonna have a lot of sympathy for them. You're like,

1847
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:35,719
Speaker 2: who gets a free car? Right, But imagine the kerfuffle

1848
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 2: that's gonna happen in their lives now because now they

1849
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:40,640
Speaker 2: have to go and buy themselves this Christmas time a

1850
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 2: new car because the car is disappearing, right, And it's

1851
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:45,599
Speaker 2: not just any old car. It's not like they're gonna

1852
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 2: go down to Turner's and buy Lord's Ford like old

1853
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 2: Mate was just singing about. It's not gonna be one

1854
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:51,719
Speaker 2: of these. It's not gonna be some sort of secondhand,

1855
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:54,560
Speaker 2: clapped out thing or something like that. These boys have

1856
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 2: got used to brand new vehicles because they get changed

1857
01:24:58,320 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 2: every year as well.

1858
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 17: Do you reckon? It's propo to like, you know, if

1859
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 17: you're if you're a frontline player or you're just on

1860
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 17: the bench.

1861
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 2: Are you thinking sort of like Damien gets a lesser

1862
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 2: version of a car than Barrett because Barrett's better at

1863
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 2: number ten? Kind of a little bit like that.

1864
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 17: Geez, you've opened a can of worms there. I don't

1865
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 17: know if everybody's going to agree with that.

1866
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:17,680
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously that's takes you.

1867
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 17: But also like if one of them starts one week

1868
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 17: and one of them starts the next week. Do they

1869
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 17: have to swap cars? I think like they do swap

1870
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:24,879
Speaker 17: the everest.

1871
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 2: Are you interesting in a in a in a Wallace

1872
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 2: Tatiti early on with a really banging vehicle, because you

1873
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 2: can see the man's got potential, but you're maybe looking

1874
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 2: at some others.

1875
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 17: Zoo Or does it just actually personality types?

1876
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 2: Who knows?

1877
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 12: You know?

1878
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 17: Are you are you more of a sort of a

1879
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 17: ranger kind of a guy, or are you you know,

1880
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 17: a little puma is a p puma guy.

1881
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 2: You make that judgment, call on their behalf and tell

1882
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 2: them what vehicle is suited to them, in which case

1883
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 2: you're going to get a little offended, aren't you. Potentially Anyway,

1884
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 2: I thought that these boys, I was like, they were

1885
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 2: all going to be cruising arounding utes obviously, like every

1886
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 2: single one of them is going to want to forward

1887
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:57,639
Speaker 2: range of wild track, do you know what I mean?

1888
01:25:57,920 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 2: And so if they're going to go and replace that

1889
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:01,679
Speaker 2: they started at the seventh they got a scratch together

1890
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 2: seventy seven thousand dollars plus on road costs like now.

1891
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 2: But then I was told by the boys in the

1892
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 2: sports department, no, And this totally surprised me. Apparently they're

1893
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 2: all driving Mustangs, which I thought felt a little bit

1894
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 2: of hair dressy. I mean I can see like Aaron

1895
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 2: Smith in that and Damien because of his ridiculous haircut.

1896
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 2: But the rest of them, I thought, wouldn't bet it.

1897
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:21,520
Speaker 2: Apparently they're driving around mustag.

1898
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 17: I what about the EV the you know the EV SUV.

1899
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,560
Speaker 2: That no TJ took. That TJ and he took the

1900
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 2: only one that was available ninety three thousand dollars. So

1901
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:32,599
Speaker 2: spare thought for the all blacks, because man alive, they're

1902
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 2: going to scratch the dollars together just to maintain the lifestyle.

1903
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 2: It's going to be difficult for them. Thoughts and prayers

1904
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 2: none away from nine.

1905
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, the duple sellent Von, the my Hosking breakfast with

1906
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:44,639
Speaker 1: they least real estate news dogs.

1907
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 2: They'd be Heather, what kind of car do you reckon?

1908
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 2: Sevu Reese is driving at the moment, But one that

1909
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 2: comes with an alcohol lock, wouldn't It would be one

1910
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 2: that is already has one and built or automatic drop

1911
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 2: you know those automatic like the Tesla has it where

1912
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 2: it drives for you so you don't have to drive.

1913
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:00,760
Speaker 2: After what happened in the I mean, you didn't have

1914
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 2: that far to go, got in the car and the

1915
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 2: drive winds crashed into something else. So anyway, I think

1916
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 2: we're going to give him one that doesn't require that

1917
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 2: much definitely automatic. We don't want him to actually be

1918
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 2: involved in the driving of the car too much. Six

1919
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:11,719
Speaker 2: Away from.

1920
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 1: Nine trending now with chemist Warehouse Great savings every Day.

1921
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 2: One of the most iconic ads that we've probably ever

1922
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 2: had here in New Zealand is the McDonald's make It

1923
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 2: Click ad.

1924
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 1: It's your must remember every time you're in the car

1925
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,719
Speaker 1: and it makes a different sist're going in there, afar

1926
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 1: if you're in the front seat, berrief, you're in the

1927
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 1: back click girls, your seat belt.

1928
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 2: Before you had the track as an at a banger

1929
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:42,320
Speaker 2: from the past. They released it thirty years ago and

1930
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 2: then they re released it in two thousand and three

1931
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 2: to bring it to the attention of a new generation.

1932
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 2: And as they say, if you've got a hat, you've

1933
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 2: got a malk cat. So this morning they have the

1934
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 2: make It Click ad again, but this time it's been remixed.

1935
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 12: Guys, you must remember ever you're.

1936
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 18: In the car, and it makes all the pens if you.

1937
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 6: Go in there, off bar, if you're in.

1938
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 21: The pretty awful, isn't it?

1939
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 17: Kind of shape shift and meets the wiggles.

1940
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 2: Is this why we've got such a rise in cocaine

1941
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:30,639
Speaker 2: as the children are getting into it and having raves?

1942
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:33,680
Speaker 17: Or are the people involved in this head responsible for

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Speaker 17: the rise in cocaine using?

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Speaker 2: Is it there? They thought this was a good idea. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: it's been remixed by the King we dj Jess Rhodes

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Speaker 2: into what they call them make its click drum and

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Speaker 2: bass anthem, the drop anthem I ain't no one's anthem anyway,

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Speaker 2: here you go. That's interesting. Hey, do you want to

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Speaker 2: have your mind?

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Speaker 17: That's coming from the woman who likes the Turners The Tina.

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Speaker 2: From Love The Turner's ad I think should be.

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Speaker 17: Banned as a crime against humanity?

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Speaker 2: Glean what is your problem with the Turners ad?

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Speaker 17: It hurts my brain.

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Speaker 2: It's fantastic. It references everybody that matters, Lord and doctor Ruputa.

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Speaker 2: What else could you possibly want? Plus, it's hilarious and

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Speaker 2: it's catchy, and in fact, I'm gonna make it my

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Speaker 2: life's mission to learn all of the words and just

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Speaker 2: sing them along. One I'm just turn the microphone on

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Speaker 2: one day.

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Speaker 17: I'm not coming.

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Speaker 2: You want to have your mind blown by something. Apparently,

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Speaker 2: the teachers, the junior teachers at DIO get parents' presence

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Speaker 2: around the six to eight hundred dollars range, and the

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Speaker 2: King's Prep teachers get presents of one thousand dollars plus.

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Speaker 2: So you and your fifty dollars for the kindy teacher

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Speaker 2: step it up. Anyway, how am I to ruined this

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Speaker 2: wonderful song for you?

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Speaker 15: Enjoy it?

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Speaker 2: I will see you next week. Glenn's not going to

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Speaker 2: be here and Chris Luxen is in the Beautiful Clean

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Speaker 2: Studio next So stay tuned with news dorgs dB.

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Speaker 16: Going there on.

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Speaker 6: A for more from the Mic Asking Breakfast.

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