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Speaker 1: Time for politics Wednesday, Mark Mitchell as well as long

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Speaker 1: with Jenny Anderson. Good morning to you both.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good morning, Mike morning.

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Speaker 3: Jilly, Good morning, Mike, Good morning Mark.

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Speaker 1: Jenny. Do you owe me an apology?

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Speaker 4: Well? I probably do actually, but I was a little

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Speaker 4: bit sleep deprived, to be honest. So the thing is

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Speaker 4: that my mother, who often makes the sound on a mistake,

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Speaker 4: I correct her regularly and she listens and so she

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Speaker 4: will be thinking this is hilarious because I correct her

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Speaker 4: and then I've done the same things.

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Speaker 1: Well, that makes you a hypocrite, Jenny. You're correcting your

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Speaker 1: mother and then you're making the same mistake in front

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Speaker 1: of the nation for goodness sake.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, a tree fell on my house and defense and

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Speaker 4: I have been a little bit sleep deprived.

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Speaker 1: And so what's the state of your house?

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Speaker 3: It's not good. We have to get a crane to

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Speaker 3: get it off. So when did that happen?

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Speaker 4: A big tree that happened in the big storm in Wellington?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But what day though? It's it's Wednesday, Monday.

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Speaker 4: Now, so it hat on Sunday?

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Speaker 3: Was it Sunday night? Is that someday moved yet?

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Speaker 1: Who you're ringing?

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Speaker 4: It's well, you come to the heart and get a crane.

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Speaker 3: Everyone's got a tree on the roof.

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Speaker 4: The whole area has been really impacted by the storm,

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Speaker 4: so it's it's significant and there's a big cure up

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Speaker 4: to get the.

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Speaker 1: Grain and get the people in well The only reason

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Speaker 1: I asked when we had a big storm in Wellington,

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Speaker 1: which wasn't that long ago? Market No, because he's the

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Speaker 1: Minister of Emergency Events. Anyway, the neighbors came and they

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Speaker 1: had somebody around their house in about half an hour's

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Speaker 1: time and they started, you know, pulling the tree and

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Speaker 1: slicing it into a million pieces and got it sorted.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what's the house like? I mean it must

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Speaker 1: be leaking and problematic, musn't it.

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Speaker 3: Well, it is incredibly lucky.

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Speaker 4: It could have gone through a whole set of windows

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Speaker 4: and inside, so it's sort of landed on a dick area.

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Speaker 3: But it has damaged the house.

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Speaker 4: But it's broken our windows so the house isn't open

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Speaker 4: to the element.

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Speaker 1: And the insurance company's playing.

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Speaker 4: Us Yep, they're good, yep there it's all lodged and everything.

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Speaker 4: But we just have to wait for a crane. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: I had to go to sleep for Saturday night. Sorry,

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Speaker 4: it was when landed and I had to go to

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Speaker 4: sleep with it. You were a tree over your head

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Speaker 4: and you're sort of wondering whether I'm right through the

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Speaker 4: roof or not, do you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been pretty pretty hard up.

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Speaker 1: This isn't new, though, to be fair, because in nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixty five, No, it wasn't. It was nineteen sixty nine

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Speaker 1: and the Wahenee storm. I almost was killed by a

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Speaker 1: falling tree on our house. Really really yeah, and this

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Speaker 1: was in Gisbon. I didn't know it was the Waheni

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Speaker 1: storm at the time because I was only four, but

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Speaker 1: I was asleep in the tree and we lived next

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Speaker 1: to a gully and Gisbon and this tree came down

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Speaker 1: and literally in the morning was blocking the window of

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Speaker 1: my bedroom. Based on the fact that it had fallen

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Speaker 1: right out, so I could have gone straight through, killed

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Speaker 1: me and we wouldn't be here having this conversation now. No,

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Speaker 1: that's right.

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize you had ties back to Gisbone.

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Speaker 4: That's very cool.

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Speaker 1: I got tires everywhere, mate.

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Speaker 2: Hey, listen just really quickly on that. While we're talking

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Speaker 2: about storms. I was a nature honger this week and

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Speaker 2: there was sort of a you call it a rural

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Speaker 2: street courn meeting where a lot of the farmers that

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Speaker 2: were out and I was meeting with him and talking

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Speaker 2: to them. They all wanted to talk about everyone's there

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Speaker 2: was flooding, the schools being flooded. They all wanted to

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Speaker 2: talk about the Mike Hoskins Show, and in particular Neville,

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Speaker 2: who's a huge fan of yours. He said, would you

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Speaker 2: please give me would you please give me a shout out? So, Neville,

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Speaker 2: here's your shout out on the Mike Hoskins Show.

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Speaker 1: Mate, never Nevill, a vote or a hunger. I'm very

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Speaker 1: I'm very pleased you'll be able to do that. The

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Speaker 1: can I just ask one another weird question? Mark, just

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Speaker 1: quickly do we hand out if we hand out money

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Speaker 1: to our medallists at the Olympics, how much is it?

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Speaker 1: Do you know?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not sure. I know that High Performance Spport

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Speaker 2: obviously has got ways of being able to support our

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Speaker 2: anyone in that high performance sport program financially, but no,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure in the number.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Ginny, are you guys this letter from Chipster on

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Speaker 1: the f t A and stuff. Are you playing games

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Speaker 1: here or do you actually want to do some business.

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Speaker 3: No, not at all.

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Speaker 4: We definitely want to do business and look National did

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Speaker 4: some of the things when it's the traina FTA. We

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Speaker 4: want to know the details and what we're signing up to,

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Speaker 4: and there are some areas that aren't clear, and one

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Speaker 4: in particular for me is that investment clause, you know,

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Speaker 4: committing New Zealand to what is in New Zealand dollars

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Speaker 4: thirty three billion dollars an investment over fifteen years, and

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Speaker 4: we just get told all that's aspirational, but there is

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Speaker 4: a real concern that in fifteen years time, we backed

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Speaker 4: into a corner in a much bigger country, is working

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Speaker 4: us for not investing what we've promised we would and

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Speaker 4: that could impact on those goods that get into that country.

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Speaker 4: So all we're asking for are the details of advice

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Speaker 4: that have been redacted and blocked out in those papers.

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Speaker 4: We want to know all those details before we sign

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Speaker 4: up to us.

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Speaker 1: Mark, you were going to say, oh.

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Speaker 2: No, it's just going to say on the free trade Agreement.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've been through this before. We had the

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Speaker 2: TPP and you had the protests and everyone coming out.

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Speaker 2: You know, the sky was going to fall in and

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Speaker 2: how bad was it and the labor government wuldn't support it,

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Speaker 2: and then then you had to change your government. Of course,

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Speaker 2: they got straight and behind and supported it. It's going

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Speaker 2: to be a good it's a good deal for us

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Speaker 2: and as soon as it goes through, people won't be

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Speaker 2: talking about anymore. We'll just be getting normal with it.

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Speaker 2: Look how good that agreement's been for us as a country.

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Speaker 2: I mean that this government took a conscious decision when

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Speaker 2: we came into power that we hadn't been engaged with

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Speaker 2: the rest of the world. We're a small trading nation

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Speaker 2: down the bottom of the world. We have to get

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Speaker 2: out there engaged. And you've seen the foreign minists of

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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, the Trade minister doing that. You've seen

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Speaker 2: good free trade agreements delivered for us as a country

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Speaker 2: when the rest of the world has sort of got

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Speaker 2: this geopolitical uncertainty around it, we're being really clear and

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Speaker 2: the rest of the world and making sure we want

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Speaker 2: to retreat. You guys want to retreat and just get

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Speaker 2: more people depending on the state, and that's not a

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Speaker 2: model for success for us.

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Speaker 1: Having said that, Jenny, let me ask you around this question.

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Speaker 1: Broadly speaking, I mean, I see your version of the

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Speaker 1: Labor Party is too different now to ever coalesce with

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Speaker 1: a national party or national government on the big picture stuff.

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Speaker 1: I mean you you back bikes over cars, buses over

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Speaker 1: roads and stuff, and that's fine, you're entitled to give

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Speaker 1: you but that's not cohesive, is it in terms of

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Speaker 1: a big pig for the country.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think you can go back and look when

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Speaker 4: I first worked in parliament back in the early two thousands,

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Speaker 4: there was a big lot of legislation that both parties

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Speaker 4: to both but win was a lot of bells.

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Speaker 3: But what now this is like late two thousands. You know,

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Speaker 1: Different Labor Party from your Labor Party.

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Speaker 4: But even through John Key's government, you had both major

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Speaker 4: parties voting for legislation. This government and I've said the

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Speaker 4: whole world since COVID potentially I don't know, but there

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Speaker 4: is far more our politics and day to day legislation

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Speaker 4: there is been I mean infrastructure, which we'll talk about

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Speaker 4: soon as another good example where things previously not politicized

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Speaker 4: have been and I think that inflames everything. So no,

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Speaker 4: we want an India Feed treat trade agreement. We've been

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Speaker 4: very clear on that from day one, but we want

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Speaker 4: to make sure if we're signing Kiwi's and Kiwi businesses

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Speaker 4: up to this, we want to know the detail because

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Speaker 4: we will be held to account as a future government.

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Speaker 4: At there's stuff in there that we didn't know and

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Speaker 1: I just get depressed, like that thing yesterday, Mark that

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Speaker 1: I mean bloody. I mean it's not like we didn't

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Speaker 1: know about it. Infrastructurally speaking, I mean you've seen it

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Speaker 1: more than anybody in the country wandering around and your

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Speaker 1: role as emergency management. I mean, we don't have the money.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's depressing, yes, so I hear what you're saying,

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Speaker 2: but I think we also have to be positive and aspiration.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to because you know, at the end

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Speaker 2: have actually got really good institutions. We've got you know,

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Speaker 2: we have still got good infrastructure. We are in many

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Speaker 2: challenges ahead of us in terms of number one, getting

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Speaker 2: we got ten billion dollars going out annually on interest rates,

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Speaker 2: so we've got to get that down. We've got really

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Speaker 2: focused approach from government coming in terms of infrastructure. You've

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Speaker 2: seen that plan released by Chris Bishop this week. But yes,

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Speaker 2: and yes, we've got challenges around the weather, but that

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Speaker 2: to respond and recover from it. So it's not all

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Speaker 2: doom and gloom. You know, the economy is starting to

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Speaker 2: come back again. We live in paradise. We've got lots

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Speaker 2: of things to be thankful for, and I'm really positive.

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Speaker 2: So I think that Yeah, do you sorry?

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Speaker 3: You know you asked me a question.

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Speaker 1: Do you poll internally a lot in your party?

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Speaker 3: Yes, we regularly?

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Speaker 1: Do you do you believe it?

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Speaker 3: Look all those major polls.

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Speaker 4: I still want to come out to infrastructure that I'll

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Speaker 4: answer this and come back to that. All of those

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Speaker 4: major polls are kind of within a couple of percent.

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Speaker 4: So from previous elections, we know that the you know,

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Speaker 4: if you do the poll of polls, which you put

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Speaker 4: all of.

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Speaker 3: Them on the same one, they're about right.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, all of those one there's always about

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Speaker 4: two to three percent that doesn't seem quite right.

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Speaker 1: And that's my point. Two to three percent is the

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Speaker 4: Well, but that's the margin of error in a poll

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Speaker 1: It's just I was watching Mikey Schumann last night talked

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Speaker 1: to the Greens, going, oh you're down four percent, Oh

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Speaker 1: you're up four percent. What's going on with your party?

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Speaker 1: And the answer is nothing. That's the it's the pole.

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Speaker 4: That's just times want to come back.

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Speaker 3: Where can I come back to infrastructure?

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Speaker 4: I want to make one point super quick that we

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Speaker 4: wanted that set up, and we did set up the

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Speaker 4: Infrastructure Commission because we wanted the heat taken out of it.

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Speaker 4: So so we're pleased that that that's going ahead. But

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Speaker 4: the one thing that we're calling for is for all

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Speaker 4: departments to engage with the Infrastructure Commission when considering those

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Speaker 4: big projects, and currently it's voluntary, so we don't see

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Speaker 4: going for so they should go through the air and

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Speaker 4: so that's an important change.

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Speaker 3: To announce big roads up and down the country.

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Speaker 2: All right, we're actually we're actually building them and delivering

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Speaker 2: them because you guys had a real problem with delivery,

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Speaker 2: but might just really quick the real calls. You did

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Speaker 2: a great you did a great analysis on this last week.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent right on me personally, I've never really

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Speaker 2: watched the polls. We just want to get out there

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Speaker 2: and do our job, deliver for the people that pot

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Speaker 2: us and to actually serve them, and we'll let them

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Speaker 2: decide it the election.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good on, You're nice to see you both, Ginny Anderson,

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Speaker 1: Mark Mitchell, good luck with the true Jenny. I hope

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Speaker 1: you get that sorted out. The reason I raised the polling,

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Speaker 1: apart from the fact I'm sick and tired of polling

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Speaker 1: and they don't seem to make it, is Gallop in

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Speaker 1: America has given up on polling, and if I get

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Speaker 1: time after eight thirty, I'll tell you why. Because they've

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Speaker 1: worked out what we already know no one wants to

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Speaker 1: participate in polling anymore, and therefore the numbers they produce

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Speaker 1: from a tiny percentage of people who do participate is

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Speaker 1: so warped it's simply not worth doing the exercise anymore.

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