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Speaker 1: Shane Jones has announced an overhaul of our commercial fishing laws.

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Speaker 1: He's going to change the way that catch limits are

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Speaker 1: set and make it so that we the public can't

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Speaker 1: access footage from the on board cameras through THEYA the

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Speaker 1: Official Information Act like we can at the moment. Scott

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Speaker 1: macindo is the president of the Sport Fishing Council and

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Speaker 1: with us. Now, Hey Scott, good.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 1: Do you like his changes?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Why no?

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Speaker 2: We've made a reasoning very clear in the submission that

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Speaker 2: we submitted earlier this year. There's sixty pages of pretty

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Speaker 2: dry dentse reading. Anyone who takes any of these proposals

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Speaker 2: seriously and takes them forward into legislation, really, we're staggered.

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Speaker 2: Nothing of what we've offered has been to take him seriously.

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Speaker 2: So no, we're very unhappy.

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Speaker 1: What don't you like about it?

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Speaker 2: We're dealing with twelve propose they're all different, the first

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Speaker 2: one multi and we're not going to have time to

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Speaker 2: go through them one at a time. And believe you me,

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Speaker 2: this stuff is very conceptual and complex. The first one

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Speaker 2: multi year catch decisions. Opening sentence rejected outright. We've watched

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Speaker 2: multi year catch decisions used and fail in a number

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Speaker 2: of instances. One that's really close and near and dear

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Speaker 2: to our hearts is the Hanaky Gulf Pray fishery, what

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Speaker 2: we call Area two, which goes from Mungawai in the

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Speaker 2: north all the way down to Cape Runaway, where using

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Speaker 2: these pre set decision rules, I should say, allowing for

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Speaker 2: industry to drive the management of these fisheries based on

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Speaker 2: their catch per unit of effort, which is like a

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Speaker 2: proxy for an abundance index, already lost the audience In

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Speaker 2: blind them with science, we drove that fishery down to

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Speaker 2: a bizarre three hundred grams of crayfish per pot lift.

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Speaker 2: They had to they had to lift three crayfish pods

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Speaker 2: to catch a kilo of crayfish.

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Speaker 1: So what saying is they can't regulate themselves, right, They

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Speaker 1: can't say, hey, things are getting low, let's just let's

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Speaker 1: stop for a minute there, They just keep going.

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Speaker 2: Correct. What, in essence, what we're saying is that the

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Speaker 2: use of property rights to manage fisheries, this is the

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Speaker 2: quota management system is not working. And we've been consistent

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Speaker 2: on this for twenty five years, and with one fishery

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Speaker 2: after another going over the cliff scarlets gone, harpooker bass.

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Speaker 2: They're a distant memory for most of us that you

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Speaker 2: can still travel way way out to see and catch

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Speaker 2: a few harpooker if you're a commercial fisherman. But their

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Speaker 2: serial depletion has seen them vanishing the lakes of our

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Speaker 2: Gernard and John Dory Tarakuihi massively over allocated. They can't

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Speaker 2: possibly catch what they're allowed to catch, no matter how

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Speaker 2: hard they try. So we're saying, hey, guys, let's stop

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Speaker 2: this sham of management with property rights and have a

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Speaker 2: real go at reform, proper reform.

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Speaker 1: What about the fact that you can't you won't be

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Speaker 1: able to use the OIA to access what's been going

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Speaker 1: on on the cameras.

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Speaker 3: A The defense is the privacy of those men and

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Speaker 3: women working at sea and their rights of privacy, and

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Speaker 3: that has to be taken into account.

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Speaker 2: What we know is that when cameras were implemented, the

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Speaker 2: catch of protected species and the declared catch of fish

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Speaker 2: that they didn't have quoted for went through the roof. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: these guys have there are a lure under themselves when

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Speaker 2: they get over the horizon. Okay, and where I'm really

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Speaker 2: if I was a commercial fisherman, I'd welcome cameras because

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Speaker 2: that's provenance. I've got nothing to hide. I'm fishing with respect.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing my best to utilize every fish I catch,

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Speaker 2: and my customers are going to value that, and I'm

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Speaker 2: quite confident that they're going to be willing to pay

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Speaker 2: for that good behavior, for that respect. Scott, that's gone missing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for your time. I appreciate it that. Scott McIndoe,

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Speaker 1: Sport Fishing Council President. Sorry to see the text coming in,

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Speaker 1: so I'm sure we're going to get a bit of

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Speaker 1: feedback on that.

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