Speaker 1: Live from the Export Beer Garden Studios. You're listening to
Speaker 1: the b YC where it's semi final time at the
Speaker 1: T twenty World Cup. And while New Zealand fans will
Speaker 1: still have a sour taste in the mouth, it's a
Speaker 1: layed a little by our brothers across the ditch also
Speaker 1: exiting early, and the magnificent alf Ghani's making it through
Speaker 1: with a very real chance of making the finals.
Speaker 2: So let's dig into it. Fowlers, how are you Dylan?
Speaker 2: A long time?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: See?
Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, it feels like a while, doesn't it. Yes,
Speaker 4: it's lovely to have you back on deck. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: pretty well. Actually I'm enjoying the Tea twenty World Cup
Speaker 4: without there being that each of the seat kind of
Speaker 4: thing you get with New Zealand to play.
Speaker 2: Sure. Sure, Paul Ford, how are you going?
Speaker 3: I'm good mate. Look, I'm a cricket purestic carefty Zealands
Speaker 3: and it or not, you know, I just sit around
Speaker 3: watching cricket all day, every day, old videos. It's just
Speaker 3: nice to have some fresh content.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: She quite pleasant in a way because it does remove
Speaker 1: that element for you when your team's out of the competition.
Speaker 1: You sort of have a different perspective on watching it.
Speaker 1: No panic attacks, no panic attacks or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Yourself drinking coffee and a living at night.
Speaker 2: Oh I still do that anyway.
Speaker 1: But you know, like that Afghanistan Australian match, that was
Speaker 1: a fantastic match.
Speaker 2: I was, I was loving it, loving it.
Speaker 1: Now, let's look at this New Zealand campaign, fellas and
Speaker 1: where we're at with it.
Speaker 2: Dylan Kleaver.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess we've had a bit of a time
Speaker 4: to reflect and probably the public saw the worst of
Speaker 4: Paul and myself as we dissected it straight after the game.
Speaker 4: Emotions were running high. Sure, look kind of when you
Speaker 4: see Afghanistan roll Australia, maybe put that New Zealand performance
Speaker 4: into some sort of perspective. But I still I don't
Speaker 4: think the biggest problem was our performance against Afghanistan, as
Speaker 4: Richard as it was. I don't think the major problem
Speaker 4: was Afghanistan beating us. It was that we did not
Speaker 4: New Zealand did not give themselves the best chance yes
Speaker 4: performing well in that game. I think that is the
Speaker 4: critical issue that can't get lost, even even despite you know,
Speaker 4: the Taliban advancing all the way to the semi finals.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well there is that really you know, difficult
Speaker 1: element of it when you're sort of cheering them on.
Speaker 1: I love the Afghanistan passion though. I love their commitment
Speaker 1: to what they're doing. It's it's fantastic, you know, Paul
Speaker 1: Forward and I've been reading a fair amount too, I mean,
Speaker 1: Gary Steeds under a lot of pressure, a lot of
Speaker 1: people just saying enough's enough. We've been on a downward
Speaker 1: slide now for quite some time.
Speaker 2: Do we need changes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I don't think it's going to happen. I
Speaker 3: mean I think his wins and his successes far out
Speaker 3: see the doom and gloom that this campaign has brought about.
Speaker 3: You know, the Afghanistan game aside, does feel like he
Speaker 3: would be the scapegoat for the preparation side of things,
Speaker 3: and you get the feeling that because he hasn't actually
Speaker 3: fully owned that that maybe it was actually out of
Speaker 3: his hands. He tried his best, him and the him
Speaker 3: and the administration tried their best to get everyone together
Speaker 3: and it was actually impossible. You know. I just don't
Speaker 3: think that he's the kind of guy that's going to
Speaker 3: dig in if he thinks that he's doing a shit job.
Speaker 3: So look, I can I can cope with that. And
Speaker 3: you know, as I think Dylan and I talked about
Speaker 3: last week, you know the other option is to split
Speaker 3: the coaching arrangements. Well, it's just really difficult to do
Speaker 3: that given the way our schedule works with the hotch
Speaker 3: Potch Medley millunge of t twenties. Then we'll have some
Speaker 3: tests and then we'll have some one days and it
Speaker 3: would just you suspect that it's actually would actually make
Speaker 3: things really really difficult to be chopping and changing between coaches.
Speaker 3: So look, I'm not sure that there will be changes
Speaker 3: at on the coaching side of things. I don't think
Speaker 3: his contract will be torn up early. And if I
Speaker 3: think about the tournament, it's actually the game, you know,
Speaker 3: if get us down on a tear picians are perfect
Speaker 3: for them. They are playing some fantastic cricket, gritty cricket,
Speaker 3: and their rock stars are being rock stars and some
Speaker 3: of their second tier players are having blinders in this tournament,
Speaker 3: which is exactly kind of what you want for me.
Speaker 3: The game against the West Indies was that was the
Speaker 3: worst one. We were warmed up for that one. We
Speaker 3: were on top and we just couldn't get it done.
Speaker 3: That one was even more frustrating given the context of
Speaker 3: what we've seen from Afghanistan.
Speaker 4: Since can I put something to you, Jason, Yes, on
Speaker 4: this subject, I think. I mean, I'm sure Paul is right,
Speaker 4: they're not about to make a change. But when you
Speaker 4: witness something gradually declining correct over a period of time now,
Speaker 4: and I think we're pretty safe in saying that. Right,
Speaker 4: we had Bangladesh betting us in a Test match at home.
Speaker 4: I think we've had the Bangers beening us at a
Speaker 4: one day or at home. We have had a pretty
Speaker 4: limp performance against Australia, a very limp performing the Marquie
Speaker 4: Test series. Our asses were saved by the most incredible
Speaker 4: Test ever against England at the Reserve, but up until
Speaker 4: the third day of that Test would been ranswered in
Speaker 4: that series, We've now had this poor campaign. If you're
Speaker 4: actually witnessing in slow motion to decline, is it irresponsible
Speaker 4: not to make changes?
Speaker 1: Well, that was the point I was about to make
Speaker 1: before you asked me that question, Dylan, which was you know,
Speaker 1: Paul talking about this tournament when we can't hold the
Speaker 1: coaches responsible for that, you know, And I wasn't thinking
Speaker 1: when I raised that question. Just of this tournament. I've
Speaker 1: been thinking about the run that we've been having that
Speaker 1: Australian series. Yeah, we gave them a bit of a
Speaker 1: fright in the second Test, but that pissed me off.
Speaker 2: That series. It was our.
Speaker 1: Premiere sort of moment of the season and we fluffed
Speaker 1: it badly, I thought, and played pretty buddy poorly. And
Speaker 1: you know, it's a weird conglomeration and mixture of players
Speaker 1: coming to the end of their tenure anyway, mixed with
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to sort of go how much
Speaker 1: the coach is responsible for things that are going wrong.
Speaker 1: But it does feel like we need a freshen up,
Speaker 1: a reset, and we need to take some risks and
Speaker 1: do things a bit differently, because you know, Steed's always
Speaker 1: been praised for steady as she goes, I guess, and
Speaker 1: that's been has sort of go to and I see
Speaker 1: the value in that, but it just feels like steady
Speaker 1: as she.
Speaker 2: Goes isn't working anymore.
Speaker 1: We need to do something a bit different in outside
Speaker 1: the box.
Speaker 4: I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I
Speaker 4: think Paul is going to be right. But I don't
Speaker 4: think he should be right, And I think you actually
Speaker 4: hit the nail on the head there, Jace, I really do. Hey.
Speaker 4: Can we look specifically just at the T twenty game, yes,
Speaker 4: projector head to twenty twenty six where the tournament will
Speaker 4: be in India and Sri Lanka. And I just want
Speaker 4: to go through the current squad as it stands now
Speaker 4: and get a yay or nay from both of you
Speaker 4: where they will still feature in twenty six. And obviously
Speaker 4: we sat with the big dog Cain Williamson, who had
Speaker 4: some news obviously last week. Yeah, your name ya.
Speaker 3: No, he won't be there. I want him to be there,
Speaker 3: but he won't.
Speaker 4: Be Yeah, I'm going ay as well. I don't think
Speaker 4: I think he will actually pull the plug on T
Speaker 4: twenty eyes. So there's two one there for Allen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, Nate Ooh, well we talked about a
Speaker 1: sixty percent record, Pholis.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not good enough. It's true.
Speaker 3: I think you'll be there. I think they've I think
Speaker 3: they've invested in him, and I reckon he'll come good.
Speaker 4: Yeah. This is a real baby in the bathwater one
Speaker 4: for me. I think he needs some big improvements. But
Speaker 4: I've got a question out there. I'm going to sit
Speaker 4: on the fence there Trent Bolt. Obviously he's indicated nay himself,
Speaker 4: So yes.
Speaker 2: I was going to say nay. Anyway, two more years
Speaker 2: down the track.
Speaker 4: We don't have to linger on that one. Another one
Speaker 4: of Paul Spedish players here, Michael brace Will, so perhaps
Speaker 4: we'll go to him first this time.
Speaker 3: I think he has gone how old he? He's thirty
Speaker 3: three now, I think so, Yeah, he'll be thirty five.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think you'll be gone nay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, nay for me, that's a clean sweep of knais
Speaker 4: Mark Chapman, Nay, he.
Speaker 3: Looks about twelve. But how old actually is he?
Speaker 2: I think he's about the mid twenties, isn't he?
Speaker 4: No? I think late. I think he's thirty is he?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: He might have to get our producer who's standing by it,
Speaker 4: to look that up. While we chat about him. I'm
Speaker 4: going to go nay with Mark Chapman because I'm just
Speaker 4: not sure that when the lights shine brightest he's quite
Speaker 4: up to it. So I'm going to say nay.
Speaker 3: I reckon he'll be in the squad. He's twenty ninety
Speaker 3: tens thirty in late July, So he's twenty nine point nine,
Speaker 3: so one of our few players under thirty actually, but
Speaker 3: by a.
Speaker 4: Whisker, okay dev dev con retired oh fourteen.
Speaker 2: Twenties, Chuck, Yay.
Speaker 4: I'm going to say yay, I think he should play.
Speaker 4: I do not think he should WI could keep as
Speaker 4: a made abundantly clear, but I think he should be
Speaker 4: the Kane Williamson role going forward to the next couple
Speaker 4: of years. You just can't have two of them, that's
Speaker 4: my point. But I think he can still be the
Speaker 4: innings anchor or the guy that you build an innings around.
Speaker 4: Interesting one here, Lacky Ferguson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough for you with it quick, isn't it,
Speaker 1: because that's another two years.
Speaker 4: Down the track and he's got no contract.
Speaker 1: He's got no contract, he's been priming to injury and
Speaker 1: he's thirty three.
Speaker 3: Nay.
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm actually going to go yay here because I
Speaker 4: think he is going to be I think he'll play
Speaker 4: be in demand around the world, and I think you'll
Speaker 4: have less cricket, the more high value cricket. So I'm
Speaker 4: going to say yay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he'll be in a war with Ben Sears,
Speaker 3: and I think he'll still.
Speaker 4: Be around Matt Henry. Yeah, it's a hard note for me.
Speaker 4: I just think he should concentrate on tests and one.
Speaker 3: Day is he feels like a red ball player to me? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Or a long long form Yeah, that's a better way
Speaker 3: of putting it DC. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then, but we viewed him for so long as
Speaker 1: a white ball specialist.
Speaker 4: Ode he is brilliant. O, he's coming to his own
Speaker 4: and test cricket. I just wouldn't bother now at thirty
Speaker 4: something years old, trying to turn him into a T
Speaker 4: twenty five. It's name for me, Darryl, Darryl mitch Son
Speaker 4: of them, mitch Yay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good
Speaker 4: to get.
Speaker 3: Some which is weird, right because he's he's also thirty three.
Speaker 3: But it feels like I think he's been official and
Speaker 3: our thinking because he hasn't been around for that long. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's a late you know, he's the he's the archetypal
Speaker 3: late bloomer. And so it's not like we feel like
Speaker 3: he's sort of done his dash because his dash came
Speaker 3: quite late. So yeah, it's an interesting one.
Speaker 4: Isn't it ignored? Does it feel like his skill set
Speaker 4: is not in keeping with the modern game, I think so.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jimmy Niche.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm a big fan of Jimmyish but in two
Speaker 1: years down the track.
Speaker 4: Nay, yeah, I'm exactly an alignment with your thinking there, Paul.
Speaker 3: M Yeah, Look, what's he going to be? He is
Speaker 3: thirty four this year, so he'll be thirty six. I
Speaker 3: just don't think he'd be bothered.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I'm sure he might be available, but I just don't think.
Speaker 3: I think he will have faded out or turned completely
Speaker 3: and utterly into a frenchise cricketer, which he must be
Speaker 3: about ninety nine percent of at the moment, So he'll
Speaker 3: be gone. Ski's i'd suggest.
Speaker 4: GP Glenn Phillips yep, yep, Yeah, he's a lock. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I suspect we're going to have another unanimous lock
Speaker 4: here Retchen Revenger.
Speaker 3: I yeah, yeah, I'll probably even put him in the
Speaker 3: team to actually play the games as well.
Speaker 2: That would be get carried away here, paulow mate.
Speaker 4: Maybe steps Paul Jesus Mitchell Santner, who's older than he
Speaker 4: looks as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah he's thirty two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I reckon, Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably the captain perhaps, And it might be his
Speaker 3: swan song. Actually that tournament unless they're going to hang
Speaker 3: on for the twenty twenty eight World Cup out this
Speaker 3: way in Australia, in New.
Speaker 4: Zealand, capin Wadgo is Sodi yep, nate for me. I
Speaker 4: think he might have moved on from him a little
Speaker 4: bit unfortunately.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right. I think it'll be an Eddie,
Speaker 3: a shock World or something like someone of.
Speaker 1: That Elk Yeah, no, fair point. Ch Actually yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: change my mind on that one.
Speaker 4: And Tim Sowby, who's an interesting one to finish off with.
Speaker 1: Nay, no, no, no, not two more years. I love
Speaker 1: the guy, don't get me wrong. He's a committed cricketer
Speaker 1: and he's in good health and he's flat.
Speaker 2: But yeah, two years.
Speaker 3: Thirty seven running a pretty much a James Anderson vibe.
Speaker 3: I think that he'll be I think that he'll pull
Speaker 3: up starts before, particularly when you look where that World
Speaker 3: Cup is. I think it's India, isn't it. DC.
Speaker 4: It's got a very good record there in white ball cricket.
Speaker 4: I actually reckon this might surprise us. As Jason mentioned,
Speaker 4: he's in very good nick, very fit. It's not as
Speaker 4: if he's pushing the envelope in terms of his pace. True,
Speaker 4: so here we still around that one twenty five to
Speaker 4: one thirty two. He The thing about Tim is that
Speaker 4: for all the Knox he gets, all he wants to
Speaker 4: do is play cricket for his country.
Speaker 3: Yes, so, don't get me wrong, I'll take him if
Speaker 3: he's available. I'm just I just didn't think that he
Speaker 3: would be. Yeah, I'm saying he's available. I'm picking him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, same, I think he will be.
Speaker 2: Actually yeah, well there you go. Fascinating stuff.
Speaker 3: It's interesting, isn't it. I mean quite a few of
Speaker 3: the teams. I mean, I guess we're running a bit
Speaker 3: of a not quite a dad's army. What's one below that?
Speaker 3: Sort of an uncle's army is it? I don't know whatever.
Speaker 3: England are running a dad's army and it's kind of
Speaker 3: worked for them in this tournament. I think they'll be
Speaker 3: happy with the semifinals. Australia they've got no one under
Speaker 3: thirty I think except Tim David in their top t
Speaker 3: twenty team for this tournament, so they've taken the punt
Speaker 3: and it's just interesting seeing teams with some of the younger,
Speaker 3: more mercurial cricketers coming through have gone on to do
Speaker 3: well in this tournament.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and surely too.
Speaker 1: You know, we've got to discover more talent in this
Speaker 1: country over the next two years.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: T twenty is firmly entrenched in the cricket psyche, you know,
Speaker 1: and there's players out there that you know, in club
Speaker 1: cricket and so forth, that that's what their focus is.
Speaker 1: T twenty. You've got to believe that there's got to
Speaker 1: be some talent coming through, surely, Yeah, because if you're
Speaker 1: holding on for two more years with some of these players,
Speaker 1: you really do have to start asking some questions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well we had more than half naisire, so yes,
Speaker 4: I mean we due a refresh. We do it due
Speaker 4: a different way of looking at the game, a more
Speaker 4: power based game. So I guess that's what we want
Speaker 4: to see in the poor old super smashin.
Speaker 3: And the interesting thing is that all of these either
Speaker 3: are going to have to be playing shitloads of T twenty,
Speaker 3: aren't they, because that's where the world's going to go.
Speaker 3: So we're not going to die wondering. I don't think
Speaker 3: many of them are going to be able to make
Speaker 3: the choice light cable in sort of actually, you know what,
Speaker 3: I might not I might not play that. They're all
Speaker 3: going to be playing it to their crust.
Speaker 2: Fantastic stuff fellers.
Speaker 1: Well, let's take a quick break and be back with
Speaker 1: some discussion on these T twenty semi finals.
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
Speaker 1: So the semis as that whether I was going to
Speaker 1: say don and dust, of course they're not done in
Speaker 1: dust it, but it's settled who's playing who. Let's start
Speaker 1: off Afghanistan and South Africa. God, sorry, I had a
Speaker 1: brain fade there. I was just having a little look
Speaker 1: before at the wind probability there Dylan Cleaver, and I
Speaker 1: saw that they had the South Africans at seventy five
Speaker 1: percent win probability. Geez, I'd have a little punt on
Speaker 1: the Afghanistan side. They're passionate, they're pumped up, they've got
Speaker 1: a skill set. Now it is the bowl of Nevene
Speaker 1: or Nevenevi Nevene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, how good is he? I was watching him
Speaker 2: the other day going thinking to myself.
Speaker 1: Jeesus, like Boomra. He's got such a similar style to Boomra.
Speaker 1: And then they did a slow side by side of
Speaker 1: Boomra and leven It was identical.
Speaker 2: He's a phenomenal player.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they've been the darlings of the tournament so to speak.
Speaker 4: I think seventy five is a bit high. Actually they're
Speaker 4: playing it. Look at the Brie Lara Academy in Trinidad,
Speaker 4: which is I been pretty helpful to spinners, as the
Speaker 4: West Indies showed when we decided to go on with
Speaker 4: a very seam heavy attack against against them. I can
Speaker 4: see Afghanistan tipping them up and you, I guess you've
Speaker 4: got a factor in it. Also that South Africa not
Speaker 4: noted for coming to the party in the semi final
Speaker 4: stages of world tournaments.
Speaker 1: And they've kind of won ugly too though, haven't they
Speaker 1: South Africa? They have won ugly in some of their matches.
Speaker 4: They have had two in fairness to them because they
Speaker 4: played in some pretty rich conditions in New York and
Speaker 4: so I wouldn't read two much into that. I mean
Speaker 4: Quentin to car Adam Markram class and heinrich class. And
Speaker 4: they have got good players. They have eleven better cricketers
Speaker 4: than Afghanistan. But Afghanistan are very top heavy. They rely
Speaker 4: big time on that opening partnership and that bowling attack.
Speaker 4: And it's T twenty they could win. I would put
Speaker 4: it at sixty three thirty seven.
Speaker 1: Very specific bear Dylan, Yeah, that that Afghanistan opening partnership,
Speaker 1: was it three Hundi's in this tournament opening partnerships.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Goerbez and Zardar. And they are sensational and not
Speaker 3: just slogging either, you know, playing genuine cricket shots along
Speaker 3: the ground. Quite comfortable slogging as well, but certainly more
Speaker 3: than one dimension on show. Yeah, as you say, Dylan,
Speaker 3: they are South Africans are entering the choke zone. It's
Speaker 3: been a long wait for them to be in in
Speaker 3: a major final. And it's it's cool that, I actually
Speaker 3: reckon it's cool that there's a couple of kind of
Speaker 3: unfashionable teams that are in the semi, which means we're
Speaker 3: going to have someone interesting in the final. I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: I the question really is is this a different South
Speaker 3: African team? I mean they've beaten Bandlesh I think by
Speaker 3: what was it three or four runs, They've beaten Nepal
Speaker 3: by one. They've squeaked past England, They've got past the
Speaker 3: West Indies, which is a bloody goodwin beating knocking the
Speaker 3: home team out.
Speaker 4: I play well that game too.
Speaker 3: They did yep and smart too right they played. They're
Speaker 3: also prepared to tweak their lineup if they see it's
Speaker 3: been friendly. I think Aiden markrom Bold the first four
Speaker 3: overs right through the power play, and you know they've
Speaker 3: got good spin bowlers, sensational Seamas Ribada obviously, Nautchia Jensen.
Speaker 3: I mean they are a really really dangerous team and look,
Speaker 3: I for the sake of the Taliban, I really hope
Speaker 3: so they could get past them, to be honest, and
Speaker 3: I think it would be cool for cricket to have
Speaker 3: a team like that get through, even though I really
Speaker 3: hate them because maybe part of the reason they're good
Speaker 3: at TWA twenty is because they didn't send their best
Speaker 3: players out here for the test series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair point England India. You'd have to favor the
Speaker 1: Indian side, wouldn't you, Dylan Cleaver? But you know, T
Speaker 1: twenty toss of a coin.
Speaker 4: It's a bit of a Hobson's choice this one.
Speaker 2: For me.
Speaker 4: I think India a bit of team. They're going to Guiana,
Speaker 4: which has a massive Indian population. Quadron, it'll feel like
Speaker 4: a home game. I suspect for India. It feel very
Speaker 4: hostile for England. Yeah, if it's stranger things have happened.
Speaker 4: This is a decent England team and Phil Salt could
Speaker 4: get away down Johnny Bestow could get away and suddenly
Speaker 4: a game slipped on its head. But I would be
Speaker 4: surprised if India didn't reach fun didn't prevail.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll feel like a home game, Dylan, because it
Speaker 3: is a home game for India, because they've known that
Speaker 3: if they make the sentience, they're going to be playing
Speaker 3: at that venue at that day, at that time, on
Speaker 3: that pitch against whoever the hell they play. Because that's
Speaker 3: just part of the ridiculous formatting of this tournament. I
Speaker 3: think that it is a bit unfair that they've had
Speaker 3: that cheeky little advantage, but that's cricket, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I guess the consensus is India South Africa final.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd look forward to that, and actually, can I
Speaker 4: just get pulled to elaborate on that point before because
Speaker 4: I have correspondence to the Bounce my subsequent newsletter on
Speaker 4: the subject as well, about why we don't fully embrace
Speaker 4: this what should be this amazing underdog story in Afghanistan.
Speaker 4: I mean, they're not the only country that plays for
Speaker 4: a pretty dodgy regime. So what is it in particular
Speaker 4: about the Afghanistan regime that should give us pause for thought?
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think political here fellows.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's an interesting one because it's it's
Speaker 3: a real dichotomy, isn't it. Between this wonderful fairy tale
Speaker 3: this team that's come out of Division five and you
Speaker 3: see the list of the player of the teams that
Speaker 3: they've beaten over the last ten years, and it is
Speaker 3: an extraordinary smagas board of countries from all around the
Speaker 3: world if they've come up through the grades and then
Speaker 3: into the World Cup semi finals this time around. But
Speaker 3: there is this, I guess it's two things. One is
Speaker 3: the very nature of the Taliban. So when couple fell
Speaker 3: to the Taliban in twenty twenty one, basically they just
Speaker 3: said no more woman playing sports, no more woman going
Speaker 3: to the gym, cove your heir, cove your skin, no
Speaker 3: more going to school, you can't go to the park,
Speaker 3: all of that kind of stuff. So I'm sure that's
Speaker 3: just the sort of the regulatory layer of that. The
Speaker 3: enforcement of that, I'm sure is pretty grim. So there's
Speaker 3: that that just the very nature of that prejudice against women.
Speaker 3: Then you've got the hypocrisy. I think that's followed on
Speaker 3: from it. So for example, you've had Cricket Australia go,
Speaker 3: we are not going to go to Afghanistan and two
Speaker 3: there because we have concerns about the regime that's in
Speaker 3: place over there. And so you know, it's sort of
Speaker 3: weird because they were going to play in the United
Speaker 3: Arab Emirates, they weren't going to be sort of playing
Speaker 3: in caball. But basically you've got this thing where where
Speaker 3: it's convenient, where you maybe need to make win a
Speaker 3: game to get through to the Cricket World Cup semi finals,
Speaker 3: you'll be happy to play the game, but you're actually
Speaker 3: not prepared to kind of go in and play the
Speaker 3: games when the games are part of the schedule. So
Speaker 3: there's this weird there's this weird hypocrisy. And also you've
Speaker 3: got the Taliban coming out kind of saying, you know,
Speaker 3: we just think you should be really fair to all
Speaker 3: of the countries and come and play, come and play
Speaker 3: with us.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, I think it's it's a really complicated subject, but
Speaker 3: I think it would be doing a disservice not to
Speaker 3: acknowledge that there is some complexity around this particular fairy tale.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think the woman thing is the big thing, right,
Speaker 4: you are meant to The International Cricket Council dictates that
Speaker 4: you should have a woman's program, and they clearly cannot
Speaker 4: have a woman's program under the under the Taliban. But
Speaker 4: I do where I do sympathize as the players themselves
Speaker 4: have been getting a little bit of grief but not
Speaker 4: speaking out against it, against the regime. And all I
Speaker 4: would say to that is walk a mile in their shoes,
Speaker 4: and you know, they have family. Even though they themselves
Speaker 4: might not be living in Cable or Kandergar or cost
Speaker 4: or wherever it is at the moment, they have family
Speaker 4: over there. I would not be speaking out too loudly
Speaker 4: against a regime that has proven in the past to
Speaker 4: be fairly murderous. Yeah, and just in case anyone from
Speaker 4: the Taliban is listening, that was Paul Fordy just said that.
Speaker 3: Not even true. It's not even true. The other thing
Speaker 3: that we should talk about briefly is and I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: Just to be clear, I am not really following them.
Speaker 3: This is not a segway from the Teleban discussion, but
Speaker 3: there was some pretty shoddy behavior in that semi final
Speaker 3: against Bangladesh.
Speaker 1: Told me through that what was going on there be
Speaker 1: through this because I didn't watch the game, I'll.
Speaker 4: Leave a Florida Paul, but I was very funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you had the Afghanistan coach Jonathan trot Yes,
Speaker 3: so sorry. Yeah, so they're banning. They get ahead on
Speaker 3: the Duckworth Lewis stern thing by two runs. Jonathan Trott,
Speaker 3: the coach, then is sort of waving at the team.
Speaker 3: He was very involved towards through this match, lots of
Speaker 3: field settings and all sorts, and he was sort of
Speaker 3: waving his hands down and sort of saying slow it down,
Speaker 3: slow it down, slow it down, obviously noting that they
Speaker 3: were two runs ahead on the Duckworth Lewis as the
Speaker 3: rain came in, so this would be quite a convenient
Speaker 3: juncture for us to stop. Now. I think it was
Speaker 3: misinterpreted by the first slip, who absolutely fell down like
Speaker 3: he'd been shot, and it was sort of, I think,
Speaker 3: attributed back to the coach that he had told the
Speaker 3: slips to do that, and of course he actually hadn't.
Speaker 3: He was just sort of saying slow it down, and
Speaker 3: all sorts of chaos and then you could see that
Speaker 3: the band dish batsmen were like, this is not very good.
Speaker 3: Commentators were very damning, and even Rashi Cant, who was
Speaker 3: bowling at the time, was kind of like, what are
Speaker 3: we doing? I did see it. I did see Later
Speaker 3: on it got described as oh, yeah, he just had
Speaker 3: a bit of cramp, which is obviously just absolute horseship.
Speaker 2: Us didn't know.
Speaker 4: Hell when he came on to bowl off his full
Speaker 4: run up too not long after that. Yes, and and.
Speaker 3: The celebratory charge Gilbertan it was absolutely at the front
Speaker 3: of the pack, just tearing his way out of the
Speaker 3: out of the dugout, you know, like absolutely totally involved. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so one of the dodgiest left eye injuries. I saw
Speaker 3: Adam Zamper describe it as a pulled ham rainstring, I
Speaker 3: think is what he called it. Was it a rainstring?
Speaker 3: I saw rain string? Yes.
Speaker 1: Well, one thing you got to say about the Afghanistan side,
Speaker 1: though they're very entertaining to watch, you know, the celebrations
Speaker 1: and you know they were into it and that you
Speaker 1: know the fun part of watching them. You know, it
Speaker 1: is a complicated story and it's always difficult when these
Speaker 1: politics involved too.
Speaker 2: But they are quite amusing to watch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the game was actually hinky and more ways than
Speaker 4: one too, because Bangladesh seemed to pull out very quickly
Speaker 4: from an opportunity to win by a big enough margin
Speaker 4: to qualify themselves out of that group. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: not like they were chasing a big target. And then
Speaker 4: after about nine overs they said have three point one
Speaker 4: overs left to get to the target, and Marmadulla came
Speaker 4: out and started blocking everything.
Speaker 3: It was yeah, basic one hundred and sixteen. I've quite
Speaker 3: an extraordinary picture of this thing. So I was heading
Speaker 3: from up the city after going up for Seinfelder. Let's
Speaker 3: not talk about that. That's a whole gaza conversation. And
Speaker 3: my taxi driver was Afghani, and I noticed that when
Speaker 3: we were stopped at the lights, he was clicking in
Speaker 3: and putting the stream on the video stream on, but
Speaker 3: obviously thought that it was a bit dodgy to do
Speaker 3: it wile he was driving. I noticed that and I said,
Speaker 3: just put it on, mates. He put it on, turned
Speaker 3: the volume up full blowing, and as we drove out
Speaker 3: to the to the airport to fly home. Yeah, we
Speaker 3: watched the last five overs together in the taxi and
Speaker 3: He was absolutely pumped up. So when we got to
Speaker 3: the ukle airport, he set me off with about five
Speaker 3: hundred toots no ak forty seven shots. But I imagined
Speaker 3: that if he had one, he would have been raining
Speaker 3: bullets upon me as well, which, yeah, it's quite quite sensational,
Speaker 3: really amazing.
Speaker 4: Did you get a discounter or was it prepaid?
Speaker 2: Uber?
Speaker 3: I gave him a tip. I thought I'd give him
Speaker 3: a tip because I thought, yeah, he made that experience
Speaker 3: of that taxi right, absolutely sensational.
Speaker 2: Shit.
Speaker 3: He was into it.
Speaker 1: So some big names of course Big Country is not
Speaker 1: making it through New Zealand. Of course Parkstown, Westerndies. Australia,
Speaker 1: Mitch Marsh under a bit of pressure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I guess any Australian captain, it doesn't bring.
Speaker 2: Home if you lose. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: He bettered really poorly in that tournament too, and he
Speaker 4: didn't get runs and know their critical match, he was
Speaker 4: caught sensation. They had to India and it looked like
Speaker 4: him and Trevor's head were setting them up to chase
Speaker 4: down two hundred odd and then he got caught sensationally
Speaker 4: on the boundary by Aksha or AKX Patel not quite
Speaker 4: sure how you say that first name. And it may
Speaker 4: have been a little bit of a mistake because the
Speaker 4: Indian fielding coach or coach was out there chatting to
Speaker 4: Aha and he didn't turn around till quite late. And
Speaker 4: I suspect if he had turned around and walked in
Speaker 4: with the bowler when he should have started, he would
Speaker 4: have been too far in and would have gone over
Speaker 4: his head. So it was really quite.
Speaker 2: Answer on their side.
Speaker 4: It was a miracle one hand to catch above his head.
Speaker 4: But yeah, Mitchell Marsha, I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 4: do you make of him as a skipper pool.
Speaker 1: He seems pretty loose and relaxed to me. It doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to get too wound up.
Speaker 3: I think that's kind of the problem. Jase, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think you know. The runs are one thing. I think
Speaker 3: you know a couple of scores. He dropped the center
Speaker 3: of a catch, absolute sort of a catch. He didn't
Speaker 3: bowl himself. And lots of the Instagram stories and reels
Speaker 3: and posts and so on from the Australian team in
Speaker 3: and around this tournament have been around.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I think you guys want of Adam Zampra and Matthew
Speaker 3: Wade out fishing. I think it was, wasn't it in
Speaker 3: the little speedos, which neither of you seem to appreciate.
Speaker 3: But my point is quite a relp. You said that
Speaker 3: it made you feel a bit sick, relaxed, kind of
Speaker 3: a vibe around this team, and I think they were
Speaker 3: probably trying something different in the wake of the high
Speaker 3: pressure stakes of the IPL. And yeah, I guess Mitchell
Speaker 3: marsh is going to be the guy that the knives
Speaker 3: are going to be out for because it's kind of like, oh,
Speaker 3: you guys were a bit too casual and look where
Speaker 3: that got us. What actually happened was they had a
Speaker 3: really shitty day against Afghanistan and that just stuffed them
Speaker 3: up for the whole tournament. That's how tournament's like, that's work,
Speaker 3: doesn't it. Yeah, one game, crappy game and you're gone.
Speaker 1: Yes, finally, Davy dum dumb, finally finally.
Speaker 4: Isn't there something quite delicious about the thought that his
Speaker 4: international career effectively ended with him watching a television praying
Speaker 4: for Bengladesh to beat Afghanistan. I mean, it's hard not answered,
Speaker 4: it's hardy waving your back to have packed the mcg
Speaker 4: as you leave the ground for the last time, is
Speaker 4: it yes, very much so.
Speaker 3: About to a scream a catch to against Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: Hey, now we're going to take a little break again
Speaker 1: and be back with some of your correspondents.
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
Speaker 1: We've got some correspondence here from Mark t and the
Speaker 1: Windy's and he writes, Fellows, I know you guys have
Speaker 1: consigned this World Cup to the dust spin of history,
Speaker 1: so I wasn't going to send another update. However, I
Speaker 1: got in from the Afghanistan versus Australia game, where there
Speaker 1: was a sizeable contingent of kiwis who had anticipated us
Speaker 1: making the quarter finals and playing in Saint Vincent.
Speaker 2: This game was like redemption.
Speaker 1: We weren't as ratched as we thought and Afghanistan deserved
Speaker 1: to be there.
Speaker 2: What an atmosphere.
Speaker 1: The drums were mental and I was still dancing away
Speaker 1: well after the game was over. The point of this
Speaker 1: email is to say there will be some happy traveling
Speaker 1: fans tonight, and I'm one of them.
Speaker 2: What a blast.
Speaker 1: If you do a wrap up of the world then
Speaker 1: this game should be singled out for its restorative effect
Speaker 1: on our bruised and battered cricketing souls well for us
Speaker 1: traveling fans anyway, not sure anyone else will have noticed.
Speaker 1: Thanks for reading out my first email. I love Cain
Speaker 1: and I think he's the best equal ploywer we've ever had,
Speaker 1: not least because we won a trip to Lords with
Speaker 1: the team in twenty fifteen and Cain was particularly nice
Speaker 1: to my boy Moss Cheers.
Speaker 4: Thank you for keeping us up to date with your travels,
Speaker 4: Mark Turner, It's been a pleasure to read.
Speaker 1: Them, but right now it's time for Paul Ford's cricket
Speaker 1: Violence Corner.
Speaker 2: Paul Ford's cricket Violence Corner.
Speaker 3: Police have descended on a cricket field at a club
Speaker 3: in Hampshire to evict travelers who allegedly broke onto the
Speaker 3: land and drove around in circles in the middle of
Speaker 3: the night. The travelers were removed from the cricket field
Speaker 3: at Petersfield Cricket Club, which is said to have been
Speaker 3: severely damaged by their intrusion. Photos posted by the club
Speaker 3: online show the field blighted with deep circular tire marks
Speaker 3: cutting into the grass. Club captain Chris Russell said last
Speaker 3: night we had some unexpected visitors on our CCTVV two
Speaker 3: four x four forward rangers. We're doing donuts on our field.
Speaker 3: We're a volunteer club with two hundred members. We have
Speaker 3: lots and lots of volunteer hours to put everything back together.
Speaker 3: It's really disappointing that there's this mindless damage. So b
Speaker 3: YC listeners, if you have any information about this, please
Speaker 3: do get in touch with the Hampshire Constabulary.
Speaker 1: Great suff mate, and to finish us off with this podcast,
Speaker 1: it's a pull Ford news or oozy.
Speaker 3: That's three things that'll be something wrong with one of them.
Speaker 3: The first one Break Duckworth, the man whose mathematical knowledge
Speaker 3: helped to revolutionize rain affected cricket, died overnight, aged ninety nine,
Speaker 3: falling just short of his rain reduced three figure target.
Speaker 3: The English statistician created the Duckworth Lewis method with Tony Lewis,
Speaker 3: a model to recalculate the scores when limited over matches
Speaker 3: were curtailed by weather. Duckworth spent his entire career working
Speaker 3: in the nuclear industry. Originally employed as a metallogist, he
Speaker 3: found he had the ability to extract useful information from
Speaker 3: masses of numerical measurements. Sad news from Australia. Will Pikowski
Speaker 3: has probably played his last professional cricket match, according to
Speaker 3: a report from Code Sports, which claims that Victorian cricket
Speaker 3: players and officials are increasingly resigned to the idea. It
Speaker 3: was reported in March this year that an expert medical
Speaker 3: panel would come together to discuss his playing future after
Speaker 3: he suffered yet another blow to the head in a
Speaker 3: Sheffield Shield match. The incident, adding to the twenty six
Speaker 3: year old's long long history of concussions. Terrible news, terrible
Speaker 3: news and number three another quite grim one. To be honest,
Speaker 3: Trudy Linn Blade, Cricket Scotland CEO, has described public comments
Speaker 3: made by player John Blaine at the formal conclusion of
Speaker 3: an independent investigation into allegations of racist behavior as very disappointed.
Speaker 3: Blane is the form of Scotland and Yorkshire bowler who
Speaker 3: claimed last week they had been exonerated of allegations of racism.
Speaker 3: After making public a letter he received from Cricket Scotland
Speaker 3: in January, Blaine issued a subsequent statement preempting is Cricket
Speaker 3: Scotland's formal conclusion of the investigation process. Blaine threatened threatened
Speaker 3: at legal action against the board. How good is this?
Speaker 3: He said that Cricket Scotland. He accused Cricket Scotland of
Speaker 3: a craven, disingenuous and despicable attempt to rewrite history a
Speaker 3: week after I was forced to go public to clear
Speaker 3: my name. It's a mess over there, boys, Cricket Scotland.
Speaker 3: It's a shambles and there are shambles on the field
Speaker 3: as well as we've seen here we go?
Speaker 2: Shall I go first?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you might as well.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go one.
Speaker 4: That's what I was going.
Speaker 2: Did you say Brent Duckworth Rank?
Speaker 4: Sorry, Brank, that is his name. He wasn't on Coronation
Speaker 4: Street either, that's what you were thinking?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is it?
Speaker 4: That was Vera Duckworth and Jack the Pigeon.
Speaker 3: Do you know that?
Speaker 1: No, I can see you being a massive Coronation Street
Speaker 1: fans used to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm almost thinking that you might lose instantly for
Speaker 3: knowing that much about Coronation Street to be a lord
Speaker 3: of like a breach.
Speaker 2: Frank Duckworth.
Speaker 4: No, you don't think it's Frank Dackworth. No, I do
Speaker 4: think it's Frank Duckworth. I just don't know if it's
Speaker 4: Tony Lewis, because Tony Lewis was a former England captain
Speaker 4: in Glamorgan or round her. I think it's the Tony
Speaker 4: Lewis that's role, not the Frank duck With So I'm
Speaker 4: going to go a story one too.
Speaker 3: Well, it is story one, but it is Frank Duckworth
Speaker 3: and it is Tony Lewis. But he didn't die aged
Speaker 3: ninety nine. He died aged eighty four. I just made it,
Speaker 3: put a cricket number in there for you.
Speaker 2: I will just give it to me for the time being.
Speaker 3: I'll look after it because you bravely went first, Jason.
Speaker 2: With that push keep it.
Speaker 4: We were so far off oth Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: I keep it fair enough.
Speaker 4: Hey.
Speaker 1: That brings us to the end of this podcast, so
Speaker 1: obviously we'll be back after the semis in the final.
Speaker 2: What's going on with the bounce, Dylan?
Speaker 4: Well, the bounces concentrating on the WILTI twenty at the moment,
Speaker 4: diverting to things like the or black naming the other night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what'd you think?
Speaker 4: I thought it was pretty sound, Yes, felt a little
Speaker 4: bit sorry for Husk Institution.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was weird, wasn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But there you go. But join me anyway on
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Speaker 1: Brigade beautiful stuff. Well, thanks for taking the time to listen.
Speaker 1: We'll be back very soon. Until then, take care,