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Speaker 2: Hello you, great New Zealanders, and welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Afternoons Full Show Podcast number sixty two for the

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Speaker 2: fifth of February twenty twenty five. And look, I've got

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Speaker 2: to have heads up here. We said we were going

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Speaker 2: to talk about three things on the show today. We

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Speaker 2: only got to two of them because one of them

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Speaker 2: really fired up.

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Speaker 3: Certainly.

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Speaker 2: It's the first topic we did two hours on and

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Speaker 2: it was a great chat, actually one of the best

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Speaker 2: chats we've had. And then we skipped the Instagram deaths

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Speaker 2: and went straight to the air Force stroke force in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand and whether we have any but great, great show,

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Speaker 2: I thought today. I think there's some stuff in there

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Speaker 3: There was some great chat about pronunciation the word. Do

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Speaker 3: you want to give it a crack now?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Efficacity, efficacy, efficacy.

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Speaker 3: Don't worry efficacy. He nails it, absolutely nails it. Very shortly,

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Speaker 3: I got accused.

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Speaker 2: Of having a stroke during the show today because of

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Speaker 2: my words came out wrong.

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Speaker 3: So I think I forgot the number to News Talks

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Speaker 3: ab AS well, it was just a weird Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: It was possible that me and Tyler have both had strokes,

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Speaker 2: so we might take a few days off and then

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Speaker 2: and then rejoin you next Monday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it sounds like a good plan, all right, all right, yeah,

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Speaker 3: pretty sure I had a stroke.

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Speaker 1: Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Maddie

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Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety on

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Speaker 3: Today to you, good afternoon, welcome into the show. Hump

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Speaker 3: Day on a bit of a funny week, White Hungy

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Speaker 3: Day tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to be pe edand here, but

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Speaker 2: hump Day only works if you've got five days working,

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Speaker 2: so you can't have a hump Day when one of

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Speaker 2: the days off, right.

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Speaker 3: I just love saying hump day. Don't take that away

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Speaker 3: from me.

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Speaker 2: It's a very music radio thing to go on about

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Speaker 2: hump Day.

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Speaker 3: It upsets a few people on the tics machine. Actually

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Speaker 3: when you say hump day, yeah, they'll come through nine

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Speaker 2: If you want to have a go well nine two.

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Speaker 2: It's not a long week someone's having a go at you.

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Speaker 2: The holiday is tomorrow Thursday. If it fell on the weekend,

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Speaker 2: it's not It's not a long weekend unless you fear

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Speaker 2: la pon phila porte.

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Speaker 3: Fear laponp. What's the it's translation.

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Speaker 2: There inch in France. If a public holiday falls, as

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Speaker 2: then everyone just fear laponp. There's no even discussion about it.

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Speaker 2: Everyone has Friday off. Even if you feel the poor,

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Speaker 3: French know how to live life, don't they. They don't

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Speaker 2: They burnt cars exactly well, they are a country of revolution,

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Speaker 3: Right on to today's show after three o'clock, The Scourge

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Speaker 3: of Selfies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So shocking stats, shocking stats on selfie

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Speaker 3: It's gone too far.

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Speaker 2: I mean. One of the most classic situations you can

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Speaker 2: You're out for dinner, and it just turns into a

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Speaker 3: Ever taking the photos of the food. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: ruining your good times with their taking their selfies? And also,

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Speaker 2: if you've ever all onto your death taking a photo

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Speaker 3: Yep, nine two ninety two is the number there after

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Speaker 2: Very very very cool planes. The Sea one thirty Hercules,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, one hundred thousand takeoffs and landings over there,

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Speaker 2: sixty years in the Air Force. They're incredible. They've done

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Speaker 2: But we're replacing them with a very cool aircraft as well,

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Speaker 3: They're kind of transport machines, right, I mean, it's in

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Speaker 2: The trans bought reconnaissance safety. They do a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 2: I think people in New Zealand understand how big the

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Speaker 2: very useful planes and are still being used all across

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Speaker 3: You're not going to see them in a scene of

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Speaker 3: and the Hercules coming in a I mean, the beautiful machines,

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Speaker 3: as in that we had some sort of fighting capability.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even though it was I don't know was it

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Speaker 2: But we do need something, don't we. So what should

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Speaker 2: country that has no air defense? Really? Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: just get the drone ranger in and just buy a

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Speaker 2: whole lot of drones protect us. That's what we need

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Speaker 3: That's going to be a hot topic after two o'clock,

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Speaker 3: but right now, let's have a chat about online learning days.

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Speaker 3: This is on the back of Waitaki Girls School up

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Speaker 3: But what a lot of schools are doing is some

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Speaker 3: case of why Tuckety girls are having an online learning day.

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Speaker 3: And that's what we want to focus on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there is any any such thing

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Speaker 2: and I don't think it's a good way to learn.

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Speaker 2: I think we should agree to never ever return to

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Speaker 2: online learning no matter what happens. School is about socialization.

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Speaker 2: It's not just learning. It's about learning to how you

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Speaker 2: reason with Late Girls High School is doing this, that's

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Speaker 2: up to the end. But let's just be honest. That's

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Speaker 2: not an online learning down Friday. That's a nothing day,

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Speaker 2: that is adding nothing to the education of those people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's almost just a bit of a

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Speaker 3: hangover from when we know there were good reasons why

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Speaker 3: we needed online learning. If it was lockdown or kids

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Speaker 3: you know, the ends just of the mean situation then.

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Speaker 3: But now that we're out of that, I agree online

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Speaker 2: And one hundred and eighteen eighty, let's extend this out

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Speaker 2: to just zoom call video call meetings in general. Nothing

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Speaker 2: good's happening on. Those people are just staring at themselves.

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Speaker 2: I know what, I'm on a zoom call and look,

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Speaker 2: maybe I'm a narcissist potentially, But when I'm on a

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Speaker 2: zoom call, I'm just staring at my own, my own image, going, well,

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Speaker 2: that's weird how I react to things? Do I really

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Speaker 3: I think, if we've been honest, most people do that.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I'm that narcissistic, But it's more like

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Speaker 3: I'm self conscious. So am I looking like I'm interested

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Speaker 3: enough in what has been said? So then I'll look

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Speaker 2: Plus? This so boring that there is that any gain

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Speaker 3: then that makes you the teacher for that day, right,

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Speaker 3: Love this discussion. I am in university and you'd be

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Speaker 3: Sorry? If it just with that texting you've told them,

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Speaker 3: your mind, love to hear from you. Generinally, what goes

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Speaker 3: Is that better than just a teacher only day. There's

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Speaker 3: Is it time to kack online learning? To touch on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not specifically hassling Weskate west Lake Girls High School.

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Speaker 3: That'd be better than meetings. They'd be better to take

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this person texted before. Was that text saying essentially

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Speaker 11: I hate as well as I actually agree. Yes, the

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Speaker 3: what you're saying their hate and I think it goes

436
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Speaker 3: too far in the direction of utilizing technology to effectively

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Speaker 3: teach kids, where missing that human interaction is a massive

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Speaker 3: mistake and we're going to see the ramifications of that,

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Speaker 3: I think down the track. There's already been studies done

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Speaker 3: on the implications of what happened during COVID to children's

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Speaker 3: brains and development, and I think that's going to be

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Speaker 3: We're in for a rude awakening in about ten years time.

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Speaker 11: Well Oldest University now and it's interesting to hear who

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Speaker 11: feed that on what the students think of online learning,

445
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Speaker 11: and they're telling us that they've missed out on lots

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Speaker 11: because they've missed out on the learning, they didn't learn

447
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Speaker 11: at a high enough level. So a lot of them

448
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Speaker 11: struggled in the transition from high school to university.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think because I've got a son

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Speaker 2: that's going to university in this year, and I was

451
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Speaker 2: telling him that the most important part of university is

452
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Speaker 2: to go to the tutorials and so you make connections

453
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Speaker 2: with people and you might meet someone that you can

454
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Speaker 2: study with, you can go back and forth in real time.

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Speaker 2: They're actually meeting people going somewhere. The camaraderie of it

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Speaker 2: that I mean because as opposed to just sitting in

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Speaker 2: the back of a lecture watching Oh God for Bud,

458
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Speaker 2: sitting at home and who wants to pay? I don't

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Speaker 2: think you should paying to go to university. And a

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Speaker 2: lot of people are complaining about this in the States

461
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Speaker 2: at the moment, the amount of people that are paying

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Speaker 2: huge tuition fees and you're just getting an online course

463
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Speaker 2: that you could you could look that up on Apple

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Speaker 2: University or watch watch a YouTube clot and get the

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Speaker 2: same thing for free.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's not the same as Brendon class. But I

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Speaker 11: have to say this, say I totally agree with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, thank you so much for you. Call

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Speaker 2: Hayden great.

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Speaker 3: Call I weight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Is

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Speaker 3: it time that we ditch online learning unless absolutely necessary.

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Speaker 3: Love to you from you, particularly if you're a parent,

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Speaker 3: and if you're taking your kid out of school on Friday.

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Speaker 3: I'm lovedy from you as well. Nine two ninety two

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Speaker 3: is the text number headlines with Raylene coming up. It's

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Speaker 3: twenty nine to two.

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Speaker 12: Youse talks a'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis It's

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Speaker 12: no trouble with a blue bubble. Angry protesters have heckled

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Speaker 12: He arrived with government ministers and made a speech interrupted

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Speaker 12: by demonstrators taking away his mic and turning their backs.

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Speaker 12: His Treaty Principles bill has prompted angry criticism and fierce debate.

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Speaker 12: New Zealand First Shane Jones has repeated the promise his

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Speaker 12: party won't support the bill, which he says runs the

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Speaker 12: risk of dismembering the Treaty of White Tangy. The unemployment

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Speaker 12: rates at its highest point in four years, at five

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Speaker 12: point one percent in twenty twenty four's fourth quarter, particularly

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Speaker 12: affecting men. China has moved to impose retaliatory ten to

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Speaker 12: fifteen percent tariff's on the US responding to the new

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Speaker 12: US presidents sweeping levies on them.

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Speaker 5: Nee was a monthly.

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Speaker 2: Knee was a monthly.

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Speaker 12: Climate summary shows the average temperature nationwide in January was

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Speaker 12: sixteen point four degrees, the coldest it's been since twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 12: The West Coast and Fieldland buck the trend with above

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Speaker 12: average warmth. Trump's trade war counting the ways it could

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Speaker 12: hit Kiwi's in the back pocket. You can read this

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Speaker 12: and more from Inside Economics ait ends at Herald Premium.

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Speaker 12: Back to Matt Eath and Tanyna Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean, and we're talking about

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Speaker 3: the continuation of online learning. Clearly it had a place

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Speaker 3: for a lot of schools during COVID when we're locked

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Speaker 3: down and kids couldn't physically go to school. Some schools,

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Speaker 3: when it comes to this Friday, are utilizing online learning again. Matt,

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Speaker 3: you made the point that you think it should be

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Speaker 3: absolutely kicked to touch.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not saying that because there would be practicalities

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Speaker 2: where you have to do it right. And there are times,

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Speaker 2: you know, as I was saying before, I do a

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Speaker 2: bit of business with the States and so I have

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Speaker 2: to zoom call with them you know, and for my book,

512
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Speaker 2: I did all the interviews with you know, professors and

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Speaker 2: stuff around the world on zoom call, so there's times

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Speaker 2: you do it. I'm just saying it's a very lame

515
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Speaker 2: version of the actual thing, and I think I don't

516
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Speaker 2: think it's a great way to teach kids. I think

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Speaker 2: we need to just acknowledge that it's a rubbish way

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Speaker 2: and so things have to be pretty freaking bad before

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Speaker 2: you go to that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nicely said under eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: of call, Michael, how are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 10: Good?

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Speaker 5: Thanks jan.

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Speaker 13: I have previously beaten board chair for an organization called

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Speaker 13: NAT and SAD and that organization provides online learning across

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Speaker 13: New Zealand for NTA students who can't get their subjects

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Speaker 13: that they need. So I might have a student in

528
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Speaker 13: Recton who wants to do chemistry. There's no chemistry teacher,

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Speaker 13: so we offer course which wouldn't be able to be

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Speaker 13: done and those students wouldn't be able to follow their

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Speaker 13: career and get to university. And Matt, I have to

532
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Speaker 13: disagree with you, or at least agree when you say

533
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Speaker 13: that online learning is not for you. That's cool, but

534
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Speaker 13: there are plenty of students that have very specific needs

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Speaker 13: that online learning is the only option they've got. So

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Speaker 13: they may be someone who has no immune systems so

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Speaker 13: can't mix with other kids and so getting you know,

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Speaker 13: being able to get the learning that they need. They're

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Speaker 13: obviously wanting to be at home, as they say, they're

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Speaker 13: subject seifing stuff. And in fact, one of the things

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Speaker 13: in our schools that we don't take any enough opportunity,

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Speaker 13: and you've just talked about it, was where you interviewed

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Speaker 13: you're the people for your book news in Zoom. We

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Speaker 13: should have kids talking to people all around the world

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Speaker 13: online and opening up the classroom to the world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there was an amazing opportunity for me

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Speaker 2: to do that without having to fly to one hundre

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Speaker 2: different places. I never would be able to do it.

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Speaker 2: So I totally agree that when there's no other way

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Speaker 2: in what you're talking about with in z seems like

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Speaker 2: a fantastic opportunity. If someone lives in a town, then

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Speaker 2: they can't. That's a difference between not being able to

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Speaker 2: do the subject or doing the subject. And maybe I've

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Speaker 2: been talking in a sort of hyperbolic fashion, but I

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Speaker 2: just believe in my experiencing my kids learning online and

556
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Speaker 2: other kids learning on a line that the face to

557
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Speaker 2: face is just so much better if it's a possibility.

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Speaker 2: Would you agree with that or do you think that

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Speaker 2: it's it's even between the two things.

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Speaker 11: It's not.

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Speaker 13: It's it's about sick and what's best for the students.

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Speaker 13: I know have one young lady who high school has

563
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Speaker 13: all sorts of aunty issues and has decided not to

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Speaker 13: learn in classrooms. So you talked about the social hards

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Speaker 13: of learning, which are important for some students, but there's

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Speaker 13: a whole group of students for whom learning and that's

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Speaker 13: the thing. So many kids the year year eleven, when

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Speaker 13: they hit sixteen, as soon as they can leave, and

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Speaker 13: we haven't tried any other ways other than in the

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Speaker 13: classroom with a whole lot of other kids. So it

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Speaker 13: doesn't work for every student, and we won't try enough

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Speaker 13: to put all the different ways of learning in front

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Speaker 13: of those those children. I know people are going to

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Speaker 13: bring up and say in my day, but we didn't

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Speaker 13: have the internet in those days. Now we do, so

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Speaker 13: we need to deploy it as best we can.

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Speaker 2: Now, Michael, when you say about the anxiety thing, and

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Speaker 2: look I don't know the specific cases you're talking about,

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Speaker 2: but in my experience, the more you hide from something

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Speaker 2: if you're anxious, and the more you you know, you

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Speaker 2: you close to yourself in your home, the anxiety grows.

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Speaker 2: I mean there's you know, if you look into it,

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Speaker 2: you know anxiety. It comes from the primitive parts of

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Speaker 2: your brain. They're mignlerance and such. And by not going

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Speaker 2: to school, that fear grows. But if you go to

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Speaker 2: school and you face other people and you socialize, then

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Speaker 2: you prove that that's not going to kill you by

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Speaker 2: doing it, so you go. So do you worry that

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Speaker 2: people that have a little bit of anxiety then go

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Speaker 2: to online learning and then that just accentuates the anxiety

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Speaker 2: over time because they're hiding from hiding from the thing

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Speaker 2: they're scared of, instead of facing the fears.

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Speaker 13: What worries me most is that we have so many

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Speaker 13: students leave at the handed as soon as they had

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Speaker 13: sixteen because we didn't work out what we needed. So

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Speaker 13: it's not necessarily about anxiety. There's all sorts of reasons

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Speaker 13: why they leave. And if we knew more and spent

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Speaker 13: more time working on what that was instead of telling

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Speaker 13: that their failure right through their career and education, maybe

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Speaker 13: they would stay and engage more with learning, to my

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Speaker 13: mind as the bigger challenge. So there are people who, yes,

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Speaker 13: we should try as best as possible, but an industrial

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Speaker 13: skill model which we have at the moment, which is

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Speaker 13: that one say spits all, is not a good method

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Speaker 13: of educating our kids.

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Speaker 2: Oh definitely. And as you as you say, like saying

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Speaker 2: the example of someone that has immune immunity problems or

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Speaker 2: immune deficiency, I'm not sure exactly you described it. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: what a fantastic thing if technology means that they can

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Speaker 2: still learn without risking their health. I agree, but I

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Speaker 2: just guess I see it as being sure a solution

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Speaker 2: that you can have in little points of specific specific things.

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Speaker 2: But my feeling is that the more we can get

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Speaker 2: kids together and the more we can get them interacting

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Speaker 2: with each other and interacting with teachers face to face,

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Speaker 2: the better. So that should be the absolute biggest push,

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Speaker 2: rather than leaning into what can be slightly convenient. And

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Speaker 2: that you go to a video call for convenience rather

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Speaker 2: than necessity. And I think what you're talking about more

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Speaker 2: is that the video calls the video teaching as a

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Speaker 2: tool of necessity and I wouldn't argue with that, Michael.

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Speaker 13: Good points, but again I'd come back to it's not

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Speaker 13: about one or other or in a rather boundary way.

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Speaker 13: It's about a design and learning for individual students. And

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Speaker 13: to be honest, we don't give our teachers enough time

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Speaker 13: and space. And you know, while we're saying that kids

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Speaker 13: need to do in our of reading, writing, and rithmetic

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Speaker 13: every day, there are kids for whom that's you know,

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Speaker 13: we really need to do that and get them into

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Speaker 13: the discipline of it. But there's others that are so

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Speaker 13: far ahead of that. And that's part of the issue

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Speaker 13: is that we take thirty kids, put them in a

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Speaker 13: classroom and assume that bottle thirty are at the level.

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Speaker 13: Some will be ahead and need it, some will be

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Speaker 13: behind and don't even get started, and the group in

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Speaker 13: the middle are what we target, and that's where we

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Speaker 13: need to you know, we an industrial skilled education is

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Speaker 13: what we've got at the moment, and our teachers do

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Speaker 13: a brilliant job of trying to work at that, and

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Speaker 13: we still don't hit the mark. So yeah, if you

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00:31:32,253 --> 00:31:33,973
Speaker 13: want a good model, have a look at Fenland.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you made some fear arguments. Michael just quickly before

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Speaker 3: you go, because I hear what you're saying, and there

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Speaker 3: are you know, use cases for kids who don't learn,

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Speaker 3: is you know, by being set in a classroom and

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Speaker 3: maybe they do have some social issues there that need

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Speaker 3: to be sorted out, and that's where online learning comes

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Speaker 3: into play. But you could probably see when you get

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Speaker 3: full schools tackling or having an online learning day on

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Speaker 3: a Friday, then that's kind of of the same problem.

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Speaker 3: It's just the flip side of the same coin, isn't

652
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Speaker 3: it is that for a lot of those kids at

653
00:32:05,573 --> 00:32:09,573
Speaker 3: that school, they thrive in being at school and around

654
00:32:09,813 --> 00:32:12,773
Speaker 3: the inmates, So it's disadvantaging those kids.

655
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Speaker 13: Yeah, I agree, you're taking it. You're using online again

656
00:32:21,253 --> 00:32:24,293
Speaker 13: as a one size fits all. That's my argument is

657
00:32:24,413 --> 00:32:28,093
Speaker 13: that we need to be able to design and look

658
00:32:28,293 --> 00:32:30,253
Speaker 13: that you're going to get the other ones who say, look,

659
00:32:30,253 --> 00:32:32,013
Speaker 13: I want to take Thursday off and go for a

660
00:32:32,053 --> 00:32:34,973
Speaker 13: long again. So online learning works for me. And that's

661
00:32:35,053 --> 00:32:38,013
Speaker 13: probably what where the skrill have got to as they've said,

662
00:32:38,053 --> 00:32:40,773
Speaker 13: well the best we can do. And the only thing

663
00:32:40,893 --> 00:32:44,093
Speaker 13: is I wonder how much they're counting that as a

664
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Speaker 13: day of instruction when a lot of kids are not

665
00:32:48,373 --> 00:32:50,573
Speaker 13: there so yeah, I don't know.

666
00:32:51,173 --> 00:32:53,013
Speaker 3: Michael, great to check with you. Thank you very much

667
00:32:53,053 --> 00:32:54,653
Speaker 3: for giving us a call. Oh, one hundred and eighty

668
00:32:54,733 --> 00:32:56,373
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call.

669
00:32:56,773 --> 00:33:00,733
Speaker 2: I seriously think though that, well, I seriously think it's

670
00:33:00,773 --> 00:33:02,893
Speaker 2: not really what I want to say. I believe that

671
00:33:04,053 --> 00:33:07,893
Speaker 2: you that fears grow, and it's true they do. So

672
00:33:08,093 --> 00:33:10,493
Speaker 2: you've got to be careful that when someone could says

673
00:33:10,493 --> 00:33:12,973
Speaker 2: that they can't go to school because they're too anxious,

674
00:33:13,053 --> 00:33:15,173
Speaker 2: and then you start teaching them at home. And that's

675
00:33:15,213 --> 00:33:18,573
Speaker 2: not what Michael was talking about there, but you've just

676
00:33:18,613 --> 00:33:20,973
Speaker 2: got to be careful that you know, every day a

677
00:33:21,093 --> 00:33:23,573
Speaker 2: kid says they can't go to school because they're anxious,

678
00:33:23,573 --> 00:33:25,413
Speaker 2: and they don't go to school, that doesn't solve that

679
00:33:25,493 --> 00:33:28,733
Speaker 2: anxiety problem. That makes that anxiety problem grow because you've

680
00:33:28,773 --> 00:33:31,293
Speaker 2: taught them that they didn't go to school and so

681
00:33:31,413 --> 00:33:33,933
Speaker 2: nothing bad happened, So then school becomes more of a

682
00:33:33,973 --> 00:33:37,653
Speaker 2: more demon. So I think it should be very very

683
00:33:37,813 --> 00:33:41,773
Speaker 2: rare and very very very pointed, and only in very

684
00:33:41,813 --> 00:33:45,973
Speaker 2: particular situations that you have people learning online and great,

685
00:33:46,053 --> 00:33:47,813
Speaker 2: if they don't have the teacher of the subject in

686
00:33:47,853 --> 00:33:51,253
Speaker 2: that town, then that's a fantastic use of that technology brilliant.

687
00:33:51,573 --> 00:33:53,813
Speaker 2: But I think got to face your fears and go

688
00:33:53,933 --> 00:33:56,213
Speaker 2: to school, and anxiety should not be a reason that

689
00:33:56,293 --> 00:33:57,173
Speaker 2: you don't go to school.

690
00:33:57,253 --> 00:34:00,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, it is. Fourteen to two. Will take more

691
00:34:00,213 --> 00:34:02,173
Speaker 3: of your calls very shortly. You listening to Matt and

692
00:34:02,213 --> 00:34:03,733
Speaker 3: Tyler Good Afternoon.

693
00:34:05,453 --> 00:34:09,093
Speaker 1: Mattith Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred and

694
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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo

695
00:34:12,453 --> 00:34:16,173
Speaker 1: XC ninety tick every box, a seamless experience of weeds

696
00:34:16,293 --> 00:34:17,133
Speaker 1: News talks be.

697
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Speaker 3: Having a great discussion about online learning. Is it just

698
00:34:20,093 --> 00:34:23,692
Speaker 3: a lazy fallback for teachers or is their worth as

699
00:34:23,773 --> 00:34:24,413
Speaker 3: online learning?

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00:34:24,693 --> 00:34:26,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's a text on nine two nine two. I

701
00:34:26,533 --> 00:34:28,373
Speaker 2: wish we'd had online learning when I was at school

702
00:34:28,373 --> 00:34:30,893
Speaker 2: in nearly two thousands. I might have actually learned something.

703
00:34:31,013 --> 00:34:33,533
Speaker 2: Spent the whole time talking to mates and chasing girls

704
00:34:33,813 --> 00:34:36,613
Speaker 2: with a bit of lunchtime league throwing in the world

705
00:34:36,733 --> 00:34:40,093
Speaker 2: needs builders though, I guess that's one of the great

706
00:34:40,133 --> 00:34:43,933
Speaker 2: things about going to school. Yeah, as chasing girls around, mate,

707
00:34:44,613 --> 00:34:46,973
Speaker 2: talking to your mates, and playing league at lunchtime.

708
00:34:47,173 --> 00:34:49,493
Speaker 3: He would be a great person. Ever beer with I

709
00:34:49,653 --> 00:34:52,493
Speaker 3: reckon that socialization. That sounded like a great time, you'd

710
00:34:52,533 --> 00:34:53,493
Speaker 3: be a good bugger.

711
00:34:53,333 --> 00:34:56,212
Speaker 2: And this other text. Matt should have asked that caller,

712
00:34:56,293 --> 00:34:58,493
Speaker 2: what do people with anxiety do when they leave school?

713
00:34:58,733 --> 00:35:01,453
Speaker 2: Work from home? Just crazy? As you said, best to

714
00:35:01,493 --> 00:35:03,813
Speaker 2: face your fears. Yeah, I mean that's the thing school

715
00:35:03,933 --> 00:35:06,493
Speaker 2: is about, dealing, setting you up to deal with the

716
00:35:06,533 --> 00:35:08,813
Speaker 2: real world and go into the workforce and be functioning

717
00:35:08,853 --> 00:35:12,093
Speaker 2: member of society. So you need to face your fears

718
00:35:12,213 --> 00:35:14,973
Speaker 2: at that point, because maybe we're going to live in

719
00:35:15,013 --> 00:35:16,693
Speaker 2: a work world where everyone works at home. But I

720
00:35:16,733 --> 00:35:19,733
Speaker 2: think you know, hiding from the world is not the

721
00:35:19,773 --> 00:35:20,053
Speaker 2: way to go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Barbara, how are you this afternoon?

723
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Speaker 14: Oh good, thank you.

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Speaker 15: I really just wanted to clarify there's lots of different

725
00:35:27,813 --> 00:35:31,133
Speaker 15: versions of online learning. I think you're posting more on

726
00:35:31,733 --> 00:35:35,213
Speaker 15: online where the kids are on their own with texts

727
00:35:35,213 --> 00:35:38,613
Speaker 15: and things on the computer. But a lot of rural

728
00:35:38,693 --> 00:35:42,373
Speaker 15: schools have pretty fantastic learning networks set up where they

729
00:35:42,453 --> 00:35:46,693
Speaker 15: don't actually have a specific subject teacher in the senior school,

730
00:35:47,093 --> 00:35:50,212
Speaker 15: so they have an online tutor and the kids meet

731
00:35:50,293 --> 00:35:53,533
Speaker 15: together and there is a person in front of them.

732
00:35:53,573 --> 00:35:56,493
Speaker 15: And because one of the other callers was saying about

733
00:35:56,533 --> 00:35:59,973
Speaker 15: the interaction and communication that they do actually get that,

734
00:36:00,093 --> 00:36:03,133
Speaker 15: they don't necessarily get it every day. But then those

735
00:36:03,173 --> 00:36:05,453
Speaker 15: teachers also visit the schools.

736
00:36:05,133 --> 00:36:09,213
Speaker 2: And that's really cool time to time as well. I

737
00:36:09,293 --> 00:36:12,053
Speaker 2: really like that. I really like that. I really like that, Barbara.

738
00:36:12,133 --> 00:36:13,933
Speaker 2: That's that's a really cool idea because I think the

739
00:36:14,013 --> 00:36:15,813
Speaker 2: socializing I'm talking about a lot of it's to do

740
00:36:15,933 --> 00:36:19,573
Speaker 2: with the socializing with the other kids. And that's a

741
00:36:19,613 --> 00:36:21,053
Speaker 2: great thing if you can get if you can, if

742
00:36:21,093 --> 00:36:23,213
Speaker 2: you can get a really good teacher on the subject

743
00:36:23,293 --> 00:36:25,813
Speaker 2: from another place comes in. Does that does it come

744
00:36:25,853 --> 00:36:28,093
Speaker 2: in on a big screen, Barbara? Or are they all

745
00:36:28,133 --> 00:36:30,253
Speaker 2: on their own computer.

746
00:36:29,973 --> 00:36:32,533
Speaker 15: Screen and the no, no one big screen and they

747
00:36:33,093 --> 00:36:35,693
Speaker 15: and there might be just a small groups, might be

748
00:36:35,773 --> 00:36:39,013
Speaker 15: teen all doing the same subject. But that does but

749
00:36:39,493 --> 00:36:42,013
Speaker 15: there'll be other students from other schools Hopton as well.

750
00:36:42,453 --> 00:36:45,292
Speaker 15: So it's these networks running. They've been running two years.

751
00:36:45,613 --> 00:36:46,252
Speaker 2: That's really cool.

752
00:36:46,773 --> 00:36:49,373
Speaker 15: Just to talk about online learning, I think you need

753
00:36:49,453 --> 00:36:53,732
Speaker 15: to speak clarifying really talking about the dependent online at home.

754
00:36:53,973 --> 00:36:56,613
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah with that, Yeah, well, thank you so much

755
00:36:56,693 --> 00:36:59,933
Speaker 2: for bringing that up, Barbara. Are you still there, acous?

756
00:36:59,973 --> 00:37:04,333
Speaker 15: You disappeared very successful, you know, because actually are pretty

757
00:37:04,493 --> 00:37:07,253
Speaker 15: motivated and they do well under that system.

758
00:37:07,453 --> 00:37:10,933
Speaker 2: So yeah, love that. And but Barbara, one question for you,

759
00:37:11,093 --> 00:37:13,333
Speaker 2: what is the class discipline like when the teachers on

760
00:37:13,413 --> 00:37:15,773
Speaker 2: a screen and not actually there.

761
00:37:17,133 --> 00:37:20,733
Speaker 15: Well, they usually have a tutor in the rooms rhyming around,

762
00:37:22,093 --> 00:37:23,773
Speaker 15: so they're not, you know, not.

763
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Speaker 2: That sounds like a great us of That sounds like

764
00:37:27,053 --> 00:37:29,853
Speaker 2: a great use of technology. And of course we're not

765
00:37:29,933 --> 00:37:31,933
Speaker 2: in the days where the online teacher needs to come

766
00:37:31,973 --> 00:37:33,373
Speaker 2: out of the screen and work here with a ruler

767
00:37:33,453 --> 00:37:34,373
Speaker 2: for talking either are.

768
00:37:36,853 --> 00:37:40,133
Speaker 3: It's very fair, very fair point, Barbara, and I think

769
00:37:40,173 --> 00:37:42,453
Speaker 3: you know, to be fair, we did mention that, of

770
00:37:42,573 --> 00:37:47,253
Speaker 3: course technology has its uses and we were not ladites here,

771
00:37:47,453 --> 00:37:50,133
Speaker 3: but we're going to be careful about over using technology

772
00:37:50,453 --> 00:37:52,172
Speaker 3: because it's an easy thing to do and it might

773
00:37:52,293 --> 00:37:54,773
Speaker 3: not be the best for the children in the circumstance.

774
00:37:54,853 --> 00:37:56,613
Speaker 3: But that what you just explained, it sounds like a

775
00:37:56,653 --> 00:37:57,573
Speaker 3: great use of technology.

776
00:37:58,293 --> 00:38:01,373
Speaker 15: But I mean, also another caller is talking about that

777
00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:04,613
Speaker 15: the different needs of children. Lots of lots of kids

778
00:38:04,693 --> 00:38:08,172
Speaker 15: actually like learning on their own. They don't and they're

779
00:38:08,213 --> 00:38:10,692
Speaker 15: not reliant on the interaction so much.

780
00:38:11,253 --> 00:38:13,413
Speaker 2: Maybe that's the other I guess i'd say with that,

781
00:38:13,733 --> 00:38:16,053
Speaker 2: but maybe maybe whether there maybe we're there. I guess

782
00:38:16,093 --> 00:38:17,933
Speaker 2: i'd push back on that a little bit, Barbara, whether

783
00:38:17,973 --> 00:38:21,333
Speaker 2: they're reliant on it not. I was just arguing that

784
00:38:21,613 --> 00:38:25,133
Speaker 2: school isn't just about learning, it's also about learning how

785
00:38:25,173 --> 00:38:26,053
Speaker 2: to deal with other people.

786
00:38:26,973 --> 00:38:28,693
Speaker 15: So oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I realized that.

787
00:38:28,973 --> 00:38:33,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, teacher, yeap, Hey, thank you so much for your call, Barbara,

788
00:38:33,333 --> 00:38:34,573
Speaker 2: thank you for those insights.

789
00:38:34,733 --> 00:38:36,692
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

790
00:38:36,693 --> 00:38:37,013
Speaker 3: to call.

791
00:38:37,093 --> 00:38:43,173
Speaker 1: It's seven to two, Matties Taylor Adams taking your calls

792
00:38:43,253 --> 00:38:45,813
Speaker 1: on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Matt and Taylor

793
00:38:45,893 --> 00:38:49,373
Speaker 1: afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety tick in every box,

794
00:38:49,573 --> 00:38:51,733
Speaker 1: A seamless experience awaits.

795
00:38:51,413 --> 00:38:52,253
Speaker 5: News talks BE.

796
00:38:54,013 --> 00:38:56,453
Speaker 3: Nine is a text number, and some great ticks coming

797
00:38:56,493 --> 00:38:57,533
Speaker 3: through on online learning.

798
00:38:57,693 --> 00:38:59,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've still got a lot of phone calls to

799
00:38:59,133 --> 00:39:03,493
Speaker 2: get through, so we'll continue this a two o'clock, shall we. Yeah, yeah,

800
00:39:03,853 --> 00:39:08,013
Speaker 2: it's a great chat about weather. Learning at home on

801
00:39:08,093 --> 00:39:12,493
Speaker 2: a zoom call has much eff ef. I need to

802
00:39:12,533 --> 00:39:14,813
Speaker 2: have a zoom call on how to speak a city

803
00:39:16,173 --> 00:39:17,213
Speaker 2: effect facity.

804
00:39:17,533 --> 00:39:19,293
Speaker 3: There are a couple of keeps having to go up

805
00:39:19,333 --> 00:39:21,213
Speaker 3: my pronunciation as well if I said that right, is

806
00:39:21,253 --> 00:39:22,933
Speaker 3: a pronunciation or pronunciation?

807
00:39:23,253 --> 00:39:27,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, online learning, you're getting some online teaching here, thinking stoppin'

808
00:39:27,933 --> 00:39:32,293
Speaker 2: wanting meaning any anythink do you say anythink anything?

809
00:39:32,773 --> 00:39:33,853
Speaker 3: There's too much online learning.

810
00:39:34,933 --> 00:39:37,573
Speaker 2: You're getting online learning from nine two nine two. I

811
00:39:37,613 --> 00:39:38,933
Speaker 2: don't have to work out the word I was going

812
00:39:39,013 --> 00:39:41,053
Speaker 2: to say. I still can't get there. But anyway, it's

813
00:39:41,053 --> 00:39:42,653
Speaker 2: my low class upbringing in Nelson.

814
00:39:42,693 --> 00:39:44,093
Speaker 3: See that's what that is. I mean, who let me

815
00:39:44,173 --> 00:39:47,053
Speaker 3: on the radio. One hundred eighty ten eighty is the

816
00:39:47,173 --> 00:39:49,773
Speaker 3: number to call. Nine two ninety two is the text number.

817
00:39:50,413 --> 00:39:52,413
Speaker 3: And for the Gramma nazis out there, nine two ninety two.

818
00:39:52,413 --> 00:39:54,533
Speaker 3: If you want to tax through and and have a crack,

819
00:39:54,653 --> 00:39:58,093
Speaker 3: we love that, right, New Sport and weather coming up.

820
00:39:58,413 --> 00:40:00,613
Speaker 3: It is who bit of music to go out with.

821
00:40:00,853 --> 00:40:03,333
Speaker 3: Four minutes to two. We're going to catch you on

822
00:40:03,373 --> 00:40:05,493
Speaker 3: the other side, but we're going to pick this back up. Oh,

823
00:40:05,573 --> 00:40:07,933
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

824
00:40:07,973 --> 00:40:10,293
Speaker 3: Love to here from you. Great to have your company.

825
00:40:10,333 --> 00:40:12,573
Speaker 3: As always, you're listening to Matt and Tyler. Very very

826
00:40:12,613 --> 00:40:23,613
Speaker 3: good afternoon to you, talking with you all afternoon.

827
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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons with the Volvo

828
00:40:27,493 --> 00:40:29,093
Speaker 1: X ninety News talks.

829
00:40:29,013 --> 00:40:32,893
Speaker 3: Bod Ay to you. Hope you having a good Wednesday,

830
00:40:33,053 --> 00:40:33,813
Speaker 3: seven past two.

831
00:40:33,973 --> 00:40:36,853
Speaker 2: Well, I've spent the news trying to learn how to

832
00:40:36,893 --> 00:40:40,293
Speaker 2: pronounce a word. After humiliating myself with about ten attempts

833
00:40:40,333 --> 00:40:42,413
Speaker 2: of this word, a lot of people have sent it

834
00:40:42,453 --> 00:40:45,693
Speaker 2: through phonetically for me to say, So here we go. Efficacy.

835
00:40:46,453 --> 00:40:48,252
Speaker 2: Efficacy is what I was trying to say.

836
00:40:48,413 --> 00:40:48,652
Speaker 4: Nailed.

837
00:40:48,733 --> 00:40:51,613
Speaker 2: That is a hard word to get when well, you know,

838
00:40:51,733 --> 00:40:53,493
Speaker 2: when you start getting it wrong. It's hard to bring

839
00:40:53,533 --> 00:40:58,333
Speaker 2: that one back because you're trying to say effective and effectiveacy.

840
00:40:58,773 --> 00:41:00,653
Speaker 2: But it's efficacy, efficacy.

841
00:41:00,893 --> 00:41:02,773
Speaker 3: It's one of those words when you look at and

842
00:41:02,893 --> 00:41:06,813
Speaker 3: it's not quite phonetically spelled out the English language. Man,

843
00:41:06,893 --> 00:41:08,293
Speaker 3: it's it's a weird leg word.

844
00:41:10,053 --> 00:41:11,732
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever been in a situation I've

845
00:41:11,973 --> 00:41:14,172
Speaker 2: been a broadcast a very long time where I've had

846
00:41:14,293 --> 00:41:15,893
Speaker 2: five attempts at a word and failure.

847
00:41:18,053 --> 00:41:19,213
Speaker 3: Good. Good to put that one to be.

848
00:41:19,453 --> 00:41:23,373
Speaker 2: This business is efficiency. Don't add fish into it.

849
00:41:23,653 --> 00:41:25,773
Speaker 3: Don't do that. We've only just cracked it.

850
00:41:26,893 --> 00:41:27,013
Speaker 12: Now.

851
00:41:27,053 --> 00:41:28,973
Speaker 3: We are talking about online learning. This is on the

852
00:41:29,013 --> 00:41:32,093
Speaker 3: back of Whisk School saying that they are going to

853
00:41:32,173 --> 00:41:35,213
Speaker 3: have an online learning day on Friday. Some schools have

854
00:41:35,293 --> 00:41:38,013
Speaker 3: even gone further, and I've got a teacher's only day

855
00:41:38,053 --> 00:41:40,413
Speaker 3: in quotation marks effectively just a day off to have

856
00:41:40,453 --> 00:41:42,933
Speaker 3: a long weekend. But we've been having a great discussion

857
00:41:42,973 --> 00:41:46,053
Speaker 3: about the efficacy of online learning.

858
00:41:46,773 --> 00:41:49,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's sort of I guess pivoted a little

859
00:41:49,893 --> 00:41:54,893
Speaker 2: bit the discussion towards children that are anxious and staying

860
00:41:54,893 --> 00:41:57,533
Speaker 2: at home and learning online and hiding from the world

861
00:41:57,893 --> 00:42:01,093
Speaker 2: through anxiety. And I was saying that anxiety in school

862
00:42:01,573 --> 00:42:03,493
Speaker 2: is the best way to deal with anxiety is just

863
00:42:03,973 --> 00:42:05,853
Speaker 2: go to school, because if you hide from your fears,

864
00:42:05,973 --> 00:42:09,973
Speaker 2: they grow, as we know. So, yeah, online learning, let's

865
00:42:10,053 --> 00:42:12,133
Speaker 2: keep it going. It's not really putting the boot into

866
00:42:12,213 --> 00:42:17,252
Speaker 2: Westlake Girls High School for having their online day because

867
00:42:17,293 --> 00:42:20,453
Speaker 2: they're they're they're trialing it and testing their systems for

868
00:42:20,533 --> 00:42:23,653
Speaker 2: potential emergencies in the future. It's just really asking the

869
00:42:23,733 --> 00:42:33,253
Speaker 2: question about the key. Oh, no, efficacy, efficacy. I need

870
00:42:33,333 --> 00:42:35,173
Speaker 2: some online pronunciation and teaching.

871
00:42:35,453 --> 00:42:38,893
Speaker 3: I had a hundred I I forgot the number now

872
00:42:40,653 --> 00:42:42,733
Speaker 3: coming off its coming off is the number to call

873
00:42:42,813 --> 00:42:45,373
Speaker 3: nine two nine to two is the number. Johnny, how

874
00:42:45,413 --> 00:42:46,213
Speaker 3: are you this afternoon?

875
00:42:47,013 --> 00:42:49,653
Speaker 16: And you guys are starting this? I liked Spike Jones

876
00:42:49,693 --> 00:42:50,213
Speaker 16: and the BBC.

877
00:42:50,533 --> 00:42:53,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, I need some whiskey in here on something show.

878
00:42:55,053 --> 00:42:58,813
Speaker 16: Yeah man, Yeah, producer must be following his here out.

879
00:42:59,773 --> 00:43:02,093
Speaker 3: He's shaken his here, but he's laughing at the same time.

880
00:43:02,133 --> 00:43:04,173
Speaker 2: So the year ago, yeah, we don't have that. We

881
00:43:04,253 --> 00:43:05,973
Speaker 2: don't have the pronunciation.

882
00:43:07,453 --> 00:43:12,653
Speaker 16: Yeah, speaking none. Seriously, I think all kids should go

883
00:43:12,733 --> 00:43:16,573
Speaker 16: to school, but the reality is that most kids should

884
00:43:16,613 --> 00:43:19,853
Speaker 16: go to school. In attend schools group where I was

885
00:43:19,933 --> 00:43:25,413
Speaker 16: bullied at school, and there are other kids I knew

886
00:43:25,413 --> 00:43:28,173
Speaker 16: who were bullied and those who were bullies, and it

887
00:43:28,293 --> 00:43:33,252
Speaker 16: seems that most of the bullies got expelled pretty early.

888
00:43:34,213 --> 00:43:39,013
Speaker 16: But some kids' behavior they might be on the spectrum,

889
00:43:39,493 --> 00:43:45,773
Speaker 16: they might have autism. There's a lot more accounts of

890
00:43:46,213 --> 00:43:50,373
Speaker 16: kids getting ADHD now and behavioral disorders, and we've got

891
00:43:50,493 --> 00:43:55,133
Speaker 16: names for things now in conditions. So we have people

892
00:43:55,773 --> 00:44:00,293
Speaker 16: who object to kids going to school on the basis

893
00:44:00,333 --> 00:44:03,573
Speaker 16: that those kids are disabled. We don't. We've got parents,

894
00:44:03,653 --> 00:44:05,533
Speaker 16: you know, bring up talking so they shouldn't be in

895
00:44:05,573 --> 00:44:07,652
Speaker 16: school with my kid because they're stopping them from learning.

896
00:44:08,173 --> 00:44:10,093
Speaker 16: And a lot of those kids do really well in

897
00:44:10,213 --> 00:44:14,813
Speaker 16: online learning situations where they kids that might normally be

898
00:44:14,893 --> 00:44:20,053
Speaker 16: a distraction or be difficult in class often thrive. It's

899
00:44:20,133 --> 00:44:22,733
Speaker 16: like they say about kids with ADHD, boys with ADHD.

900
00:44:22,853 --> 00:44:25,573
Speaker 16: Give them an engine to fix something like that. And

901
00:44:26,253 --> 00:44:30,893
Speaker 16: so we're seeing people adapting, you know, the education system.

902
00:44:31,253 --> 00:44:36,133
Speaker 16: And now we've adapted to you know, introducing you know,

903
00:44:36,533 --> 00:44:39,493
Speaker 16: sex politics and to children at young ages at primary

904
00:44:39,533 --> 00:44:43,213
Speaker 16: school even but we haven't adapted to the needs of

905
00:44:43,293 --> 00:44:46,813
Speaker 16: the kids that are that are falling behind and getting

906
00:44:48,013 --> 00:44:52,813
Speaker 16: behind because they're not learning in an audio or visual way.

907
00:44:53,173 --> 00:44:56,212
Speaker 16: You know, there might be kinasthenic learners and we haven't

908
00:44:56,253 --> 00:44:58,813
Speaker 16: identified those kids, or we've identified them that we don't

909
00:44:58,813 --> 00:45:01,653
Speaker 16: have resources. So online learning I think is an escepsially

910
00:45:01,733 --> 00:45:06,613
Speaker 16: good tool, but it might be a good tool for that,

911
00:45:06,773 --> 00:45:08,093
Speaker 16: But I don't think it's a good tool to deal

912
00:45:08,133 --> 00:45:11,613
Speaker 16: with kids they are anxious about getting bullied because the

913
00:45:11,653 --> 00:45:12,933
Speaker 16: actual problem is the bullying.

914
00:45:13,213 --> 00:45:15,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd agree with that. If if a kid can't

915
00:45:15,933 --> 00:45:18,212
Speaker 2: go to school if they're scared, that's a little bit different.

916
00:45:18,253 --> 00:45:21,293
Speaker 2: Being socially anxious is what I'm talking about. If you're

917
00:45:21,333 --> 00:45:23,933
Speaker 2: actually scared because there's someone bullying you, then that that

918
00:45:24,213 --> 00:45:26,212
Speaker 2: needs to be something that the school needs to sort

919
00:45:26,293 --> 00:45:29,293
Speaker 2: out the bully. Now, Johnny, do you work in education.

920
00:45:30,613 --> 00:45:33,293
Speaker 16: No, No, I've got an education. It started in the

921
00:45:33,333 --> 00:45:35,292
Speaker 16: poorstal wow.

922
00:45:35,453 --> 00:45:35,613
Speaker 5: Yeah.

923
00:45:38,693 --> 00:45:38,893
Speaker 4: Yeah.

924
00:45:39,453 --> 00:45:41,853
Speaker 16: I'm fifty one now, so I've it took me a

925
00:45:41,893 --> 00:45:43,813
Speaker 16: long time to get my education and start to use

926
00:45:43,853 --> 00:45:47,493
Speaker 16: it in a practical sense. But I believe I see

927
00:45:47,493 --> 00:45:49,692
Speaker 16: a lot of kids in my neighborhood and I listened

928
00:45:49,733 --> 00:45:52,853
Speaker 16: to them, and they talk like Americans, and it's because

929
00:45:52,853 --> 00:45:56,813
Speaker 16: of what they're plugging into and the days of us

930
00:45:56,893 --> 00:46:01,133
Speaker 16: writing on slope cards and they're a long cone. But

931
00:46:01,773 --> 00:46:04,172
Speaker 16: some of the things we left behind or threw away rather,

932
00:46:05,213 --> 00:46:09,413
Speaker 16: I believe that they they're missing in our community now.

933
00:46:09,733 --> 00:46:14,093
Speaker 16: And we've got teachers who can't spell. We've got public

934
00:46:14,173 --> 00:46:21,413
Speaker 16: servants that have appalling method because they are almost illiterate,

935
00:46:21,733 --> 00:46:24,853
Speaker 16: and I think it's a real shame. So online learning

936
00:46:24,853 --> 00:46:27,973
Speaker 16: should be a thing to make people proficient. It shouldn't

937
00:46:28,013 --> 00:46:32,893
Speaker 16: be something that's an option for trendy parents. I've seen

938
00:46:32,933 --> 00:46:35,413
Speaker 16: the kids who did correspondence school through the nineties because

939
00:46:35,413 --> 00:46:37,533
Speaker 16: their parents were house struckers and living on the road

940
00:46:37,653 --> 00:46:40,133
Speaker 16: and you know, in a band and stuff like that.

941
00:46:40,293 --> 00:46:42,773
Speaker 16: And I've known those children and most of them are

942
00:46:42,813 --> 00:46:45,453
Speaker 16: sort of like out of work now, haven't really been

943
00:46:45,493 --> 00:46:49,613
Speaker 16: in work. And it's not to put people downhore doing correspondence,

944
00:46:49,933 --> 00:46:53,453
Speaker 16: because I do a lot of correspondence behind the wire,

945
00:46:54,333 --> 00:46:57,573
Speaker 16: and it's just saying that the school is a place

946
00:46:57,653 --> 00:46:59,573
Speaker 16: to socially adapt and we need to keep the social

947
00:46:59,653 --> 00:47:04,693
Speaker 16: environment there in check. We need to keep it structured

948
00:47:04,773 --> 00:47:07,133
Speaker 16: in a way that we can identify those kids who

949
00:47:07,173 --> 00:47:11,813
Speaker 16: are falling behind and use these online resources to help them.

950
00:47:11,853 --> 00:47:15,933
Speaker 16: But not not quit pe not quit going for a

951
00:47:16,013 --> 00:47:18,853
Speaker 16: run around the gully and getting mud all over yourself.

952
00:47:19,053 --> 00:47:21,173
Speaker 2: I agree that, Johnny. It's interesting you say about the

953
00:47:21,373 --> 00:47:24,493
Speaker 2: Correspondent School because my uncle Tim Heath wrote this fantastic

954
00:47:24,773 --> 00:47:27,212
Speaker 2: called The Accidental Teacher. It's a really good read about

955
00:47:27,213 --> 00:47:29,933
Speaker 2: a guy that had a really interesting educational career. But

956
00:47:30,053 --> 00:47:33,173
Speaker 2: one of his jobs for a while was he looked

957
00:47:33,213 --> 00:47:35,973
Speaker 2: after those people that were you know, that's the house

958
00:47:36,013 --> 00:47:39,133
Speaker 2: bus kids, and he used to have to go and

959
00:47:39,253 --> 00:47:41,613
Speaker 2: visit them, and so he talks about it. He used

960
00:47:41,653 --> 00:47:43,253
Speaker 2: to have to go over to Wahigi Island and tramp

961
00:47:43,333 --> 00:47:46,853
Speaker 2: into the bush to find this family who were loving

962
00:47:46,933 --> 00:47:49,573
Speaker 2: in tents to give them, give them, give them a

963
00:47:49,613 --> 00:47:51,893
Speaker 2: little bit of education and check that they're actually being

964
00:47:51,933 --> 00:47:54,333
Speaker 2: taught out in this out in the in the in

965
00:47:54,413 --> 00:47:57,173
Speaker 2: the absolute wilderness. It's a really interesting story of how

966
00:47:57,213 --> 00:47:57,853
Speaker 2: that used to work.

967
00:47:58,573 --> 00:48:01,493
Speaker 16: You know, one of one of our best spoken DJs,

968
00:48:01,573 --> 00:48:05,453
Speaker 16: Colin Broadly from Radio Haraki. Oh yeah, used to stomp

969
00:48:05,493 --> 00:48:07,573
Speaker 16: around that island just wear enoughing but a pair of

970
00:48:07,653 --> 00:48:10,893
Speaker 16: shorts and you know, joint hanging out of his mouth.

971
00:48:10,973 --> 00:48:13,893
Speaker 16: And he used to write copy for Howraki in the

972
00:48:13,973 --> 00:48:19,853
Speaker 16: Pirate days and yeah, so it is true that the

973
00:48:20,093 --> 00:48:23,973
Speaker 16: teachers are going to be required more and more to

974
00:48:24,093 --> 00:48:27,933
Speaker 16: do remedial work with kids who aren't getting the basics.

975
00:48:27,973 --> 00:48:29,813
Speaker 16: And when they're at kindy and day here, they're just

976
00:48:29,893 --> 00:48:32,292
Speaker 16: playing most of the time. I've got a boy who's

977
00:48:32,293 --> 00:48:35,773
Speaker 16: at daycare and most of his day just about all

978
00:48:35,773 --> 00:48:39,373
Speaker 16: of it from eight thirty two three, it's just played on.

979
00:48:40,133 --> 00:48:43,333
Speaker 16: And it was different for us, wasn't it. We actually

980
00:48:43,373 --> 00:48:47,413
Speaker 16: started to learn, so we were prepared for school, so

981
00:48:47,533 --> 00:48:51,573
Speaker 16: we could understand numbers in alphabet. Yeah, yeah, that's my

982
00:48:51,653 --> 00:48:52,973
Speaker 16: point anyway, good point.

983
00:48:53,053 --> 00:48:54,573
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for you called Johnny. I really

984
00:48:54,613 --> 00:48:56,773
Speaker 2: appreciate it and Colin Broadley with Great New Zealand. He

985
00:48:56,893 --> 00:48:58,413
Speaker 2: was rip fantastic man.

986
00:48:59,253 --> 00:49:00,053
Speaker 3: Did you work with him?

987
00:49:00,933 --> 00:49:03,013
Speaker 2: I met him, I didn't work with him. He wasn't

988
00:49:03,293 --> 00:49:05,773
Speaker 2: It wasn't at hard when I was there.

989
00:49:05,813 --> 00:49:06,973
Speaker 3: One of the original pirates, was he?

990
00:49:07,013 --> 00:49:08,253
Speaker 2: Well, it was just it was in the mix of

991
00:49:08,333 --> 00:49:10,573
Speaker 2: the original privates. Absolutely, yeah, actor as well.

992
00:49:10,733 --> 00:49:13,453
Speaker 3: Love that. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

993
00:49:13,653 --> 00:49:17,973
Speaker 3: number to call this. There's a lot of teachs coming.

994
00:49:17,853 --> 00:49:23,333
Speaker 2: Through to be pedantic. It's effectiveness. Efficacy is more related

995
00:49:23,373 --> 00:49:27,373
Speaker 2: to control a trial. Effectiveness relates to outcomes. That's great

996
00:49:27,373 --> 00:49:28,773
Speaker 2: news for me because I don't even want to have

997
00:49:28,813 --> 00:49:31,053
Speaker 2: to say efficacy again.

998
00:49:31,293 --> 00:49:35,413
Speaker 3: You never have to now you can say perfect rolls off. Okay,

999
00:49:35,693 --> 00:49:37,933
Speaker 3: we've been using efficacy wrong this whole time.

1000
00:49:38,333 --> 00:49:42,773
Speaker 2: So today we're talking about the effectiveness of online learning

1001
00:49:43,133 --> 00:49:52,253
Speaker 2: for children and the effectiveness or the or yeah sorry so,

1002
00:49:52,453 --> 00:49:54,933
Speaker 2: and we're talking about whether it's a good idea for

1003
00:49:55,173 --> 00:49:58,013
Speaker 2: child socially anxious to keep them find ways to keep

1004
00:49:58,053 --> 00:49:59,693
Speaker 2: them home instead of forcing them to go to school

1005
00:49:59,733 --> 00:50:00,133
Speaker 2: to deal with it.

1006
00:50:00,253 --> 00:50:04,413
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is online learning effective

1007
00:50:04,653 --> 00:50:06,573
Speaker 3: or not? Love to hear from you. Nine to nine

1008
00:50:06,613 --> 00:50:09,413
Speaker 3: to two is the tea number. Better take a break

1009
00:50:09,453 --> 00:50:11,413
Speaker 3: at its sixteen past two. Back in a month.

1010
00:50:13,373 --> 00:50:17,173
Speaker 1: Your new home of Afternoon Talk Matt and Taylor Afternoon

1011
00:50:17,413 --> 00:50:21,333
Speaker 1: with the Volvo XC ninety turn every journey into something special.

1012
00:50:21,493 --> 00:50:24,453
Speaker 5: Call eight hundred eighty eight News Talk said, be.

1013
00:50:26,413 --> 00:50:29,893
Speaker 3: Good afternoon. We're talking about the effectiveness of online learning.

1014
00:50:30,133 --> 00:50:33,333
Speaker 3: On the back of some schools on Friday using it

1015
00:50:33,413 --> 00:50:36,093
Speaker 3: as an online learning day, you could argue that they

1016
00:50:36,133 --> 00:50:37,733
Speaker 3: are doing a bit better than other schools that are

1017
00:50:37,773 --> 00:50:40,853
Speaker 3: just having a teacher only day. Some great techs coming

1018
00:50:40,893 --> 00:50:42,573
Speaker 3: through on nine to nine to two.

1019
00:50:43,453 --> 00:50:46,573
Speaker 2: Online learning and work from home will cause mental health

1020
00:50:46,613 --> 00:50:49,373
Speaker 2: issues in the long term, humans need to be social

1021
00:50:49,453 --> 00:50:52,893
Speaker 2: and connect with people, share experiences and ideas to grow

1022
00:50:53,093 --> 00:50:58,413
Speaker 2: and thrive. That's really well put, much more, much more.

1023
00:50:59,173 --> 00:51:01,453
Speaker 2: Forgot how to speak after the whole effect.

1024
00:51:01,693 --> 00:51:04,053
Speaker 3: It's a weird week. It's a short week for many anyway.

1025
00:51:05,533 --> 00:51:08,173
Speaker 2: I'm not going to tend that work again. Yeah, but

1026
00:51:08,773 --> 00:51:12,213
Speaker 2: that's articulated what I was trying to say perfectly on

1027
00:51:12,333 --> 00:51:14,893
Speaker 2: my learning and work from home will cause mental issues.

1028
00:51:14,933 --> 00:51:16,973
Speaker 2: In the long term, humans need to be social and

1029
00:51:17,013 --> 00:51:19,613
Speaker 2: connect with people, share experiences and ideas and grow and

1030
00:51:19,933 --> 00:51:21,213
Speaker 2: grow and thrive. And I guess that's what I was

1031
00:51:21,293 --> 00:51:26,772
Speaker 2: really saying about online learning. I think everything should push

1032
00:51:26,893 --> 00:51:31,693
Speaker 2: towards learning around other people and going to work, working

1033
00:51:31,733 --> 00:51:34,893
Speaker 2: with other people, and spending time with other people outside

1034
00:51:34,933 --> 00:51:38,212
Speaker 2: of work, joining clubs, socializing, going around to people's dinner

1035
00:51:38,613 --> 00:51:42,133
Speaker 2: houses for dinner, barbecues, going out for dinner and restaurants,

1036
00:51:42,133 --> 00:51:44,252
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. Every time we can spend

1037
00:51:44,733 --> 00:51:48,213
Speaker 2: time with other people, that is better because we're social creatures.

1038
00:51:48,213 --> 00:51:49,733
Speaker 2: As I say on the show a couple of times,

1039
00:51:50,053 --> 00:51:54,133
Speaker 2: the biggest punishment in prison as solitary confinement, because it's

1040
00:51:54,173 --> 00:51:56,293
Speaker 2: horrible for humans to be away from each other. Except for,

1041
00:51:56,413 --> 00:51:58,573
Speaker 2: you know, there's some people that love it. God Zen

1042
00:51:58,613 --> 00:51:59,573
Speaker 2: Buddhist is really into it.

1043
00:51:59,693 --> 00:52:02,413
Speaker 3: But so I get to be on top of a mountain, though,

1044
00:52:02,413 --> 00:52:02,973
Speaker 3: how beautiful.

1045
00:52:03,173 --> 00:52:07,493
Speaker 2: Everything should be geared away from online learning, in my opinion,

1046
00:52:07,653 --> 00:52:10,693
Speaker 2: except for the very clear and good examples that people

1047
00:52:10,773 --> 00:52:14,213
Speaker 2: have given. And I think it's fantastic that they can

1048
00:52:14,333 --> 00:52:19,212
Speaker 2: use technology to send a teacher into a teacher who

1049
00:52:19,373 --> 00:52:21,253
Speaker 2: isn't living in an area, can teach on a subject

1050
00:52:21,253 --> 00:52:22,692
Speaker 2: that they're really good at to a class of ten

1051
00:52:22,733 --> 00:52:24,493
Speaker 2: people that are watching on the screen, who've got a

1052
00:52:24,573 --> 00:52:27,813
Speaker 2: tutor in the room. That's fantastic use of the technology.

1053
00:52:28,133 --> 00:52:30,652
Speaker 2: But the key is having the ten kids in the room.

1054
00:52:31,333 --> 00:52:34,453
Speaker 3: You know, well, you've mentioned this guy's name on a

1055
00:52:34,493 --> 00:52:37,053
Speaker 3: few occasions, Jonathan Hights, and he released a book not

1056
00:52:37,133 --> 00:52:39,933
Speaker 3: too long ago, The Anxious Generation. But it makes it

1057
00:52:40,173 --> 00:52:43,373
Speaker 3: makes a very clear point that we've got a problem

1058
00:52:43,533 --> 00:52:47,733
Speaker 3: with the increase of so called clinic clinical anxiety in children. Right,

1059
00:52:47,813 --> 00:52:51,573
Speaker 3: it's doubled from two ten to twenty eighteen. And it

1060
00:52:51,733 --> 00:52:54,973
Speaker 3: always comes back to the increase in technology. These worlds

1061
00:52:55,053 --> 00:52:57,732
Speaker 3: that they dive into that we all thought were a great,

1062
00:52:57,773 --> 00:53:00,053
Speaker 3: great way to keep in touch with anybody around the world,

1063
00:53:00,253 --> 00:53:01,493
Speaker 3: and it was going to be a game changer, and

1064
00:53:01,533 --> 00:53:03,413
Speaker 3: they have been a game changer, but it is not

1065
00:53:03,533 --> 00:53:06,573
Speaker 3: real life, and that is having massive ramifications for children.

1066
00:53:06,773 --> 00:53:08,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so if a kids says the anxios and

1067
00:53:08,453 --> 00:53:10,253
Speaker 2: they don't want to go to school because they're socially anxious,

1068
00:53:10,333 --> 00:53:11,853
Speaker 2: you find out that they're not going to school and

1069
00:53:11,853 --> 00:53:13,573
Speaker 2: they're finding going to school there anxious. That's the kid

1070
00:53:13,653 --> 00:53:17,853
Speaker 2: you have to absolutely forced to go to school, absolutely,

1071
00:53:17,973 --> 00:53:21,253
Speaker 2: because that anxiety only grows from being at home and

1072
00:53:21,493 --> 00:53:24,693
Speaker 2: social media is no way to socialize. That just creates

1073
00:53:24,773 --> 00:53:27,853
Speaker 2: that that increases your anxiety. So you have to grab

1074
00:53:27,893 --> 00:53:29,733
Speaker 2: that cad and force them to go to school. There

1075
00:53:29,773 --> 00:53:32,213
Speaker 2: shouldn't know, there should be no discussion about it at all.

1076
00:53:32,573 --> 00:53:34,613
Speaker 2: A kid that's too anxious to go to school, Oh,

1077
00:53:34,733 --> 00:53:36,652
Speaker 2: kids go to school. Yeah, you're not going to get

1078
00:53:36,733 --> 00:53:38,253
Speaker 2: less anxious from hiding from something.

1079
00:53:39,213 --> 00:53:40,533
Speaker 3: Luke, how are you this afternoon?

1080
00:53:41,293 --> 00:53:42,772
Speaker 9: I'm good? Yeah, yeah, good.

1081
00:53:42,813 --> 00:53:44,772
Speaker 3: What do you reckon about these online learning days?

1082
00:53:45,893 --> 00:53:47,933
Speaker 9: Hey, let's just call it out for what it is.

1083
00:53:48,693 --> 00:53:50,453
Speaker 9: It's a day off, So.

1084
00:53:50,973 --> 00:53:53,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's be honest about it.

1085
00:53:53,293 --> 00:53:57,533
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, we all have children, We've all had children,

1086
00:53:57,573 --> 00:53:59,493
Speaker 9: and how much does the teacher's only day puss you off?

1087
00:54:00,293 --> 00:54:02,453
Speaker 9: You know what I mean, You've still got to arrange

1088
00:54:02,573 --> 00:54:04,373
Speaker 9: child gi for your children. All of a sudden you're

1089
00:54:04,373 --> 00:54:06,133
Speaker 9: having to take the day off because I was decided

1090
00:54:06,173 --> 00:54:08,653
Speaker 9: to take the day off. So look, I've got a

1091
00:54:08,733 --> 00:54:12,093
Speaker 9: little bit of, you know, a bit of an opinion

1092
00:54:12,133 --> 00:54:16,573
Speaker 9: about the teachers currently that are out there wanting a

1093
00:54:16,613 --> 00:54:19,373
Speaker 9: lot more pay for a lot best work for a start,

1094
00:54:19,693 --> 00:54:22,172
Speaker 9: and then they don't never have a teacher's only day

1095
00:54:22,733 --> 00:54:24,333
Speaker 9: in the middle of the week on a Wednesday, do

1096
00:54:24,453 --> 00:54:27,252
Speaker 9: they it's always just before the weekend or just after

1097
00:54:27,333 --> 00:54:27,813
Speaker 9: the weekend.

1098
00:54:28,213 --> 00:54:31,253
Speaker 2: Well to in their defense, they are saying that the

1099
00:54:31,333 --> 00:54:33,893
Speaker 2: reason why some schools are saying why they're having this

1100
00:54:34,053 --> 00:54:37,813
Speaker 2: one on the on the Friday is because no kids

1101
00:54:37,893 --> 00:54:38,613
Speaker 2: turn up anyway.

1102
00:54:38,733 --> 00:54:42,373
Speaker 9: Well, they're going to turn up with your online shit.

1103
00:54:42,973 --> 00:54:45,813
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm actual actually reading another school

1104
00:54:45,813 --> 00:54:48,013
Speaker 2: that's saying the reason why they have that because they

1105
00:54:48,093 --> 00:54:50,613
Speaker 2: have four teacher only days a year And you could

1106
00:54:50,653 --> 00:54:52,652
Speaker 2: argue whether four teacher ony days a year it seems

1107
00:54:52,733 --> 00:54:55,413
Speaker 2: like a lot saying as how often they are in session,

1108
00:54:55,853 --> 00:54:58,733
Speaker 2: but they're saying that they take that day on the

1109
00:54:58,813 --> 00:55:01,253
Speaker 2: Friday when they have a holiday in the middle of

1110
00:55:01,293 --> 00:55:04,093
Speaker 2: the week because up to fifty percent of students don't

1111
00:55:04,173 --> 00:55:06,013
Speaker 2: don't come on that day because their parents have taken

1112
00:55:06,013 --> 00:55:07,133
Speaker 2: them away for a long weekend.

1113
00:55:07,293 --> 00:55:09,973
Speaker 9: So that makes so probably fifty sen of those students

1114
00:55:10,013 --> 00:55:11,533
Speaker 9: aren't going to attend the online port.

1115
00:55:11,453 --> 00:55:12,053
Speaker 17: Or where the are they?

1116
00:55:12,453 --> 00:55:14,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know this is this is a different situation,

1117
00:55:14,213 --> 00:55:16,973
Speaker 2: but yeah, I'd be very surprised. I'd be amazed how

1118
00:55:17,013 --> 00:55:20,172
Speaker 2: many kids with many kids turning up to whtlate Girls

1119
00:55:20,293 --> 00:55:23,172
Speaker 2: High Schools Online Learning Day. Yeah, on Friday. You're right.

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Speaker 9: I mean if they're off, they're off. You can't then,

1121
00:55:25,773 --> 00:55:27,933
Speaker 9: you know, because I mean if you said to a teacher, hey,

1122
00:55:27,973 --> 00:55:29,933
Speaker 9: look you can't take the day off, You've got to

1123
00:55:29,973 --> 00:55:33,533
Speaker 9: be They're not going to be doing zoom teaching. They're

1124
00:55:33,573 --> 00:55:35,973
Speaker 9: going to have the modules that are online that the

1125
00:55:36,053 --> 00:55:38,773
Speaker 9: children pull up. You know, there's no you know, the

1126
00:55:38,813 --> 00:55:41,413
Speaker 9: teachers take the day off and force the kids to

1127
00:55:41,493 --> 00:55:42,212
Speaker 9: work on that day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little bit of a you know, you reckon.

1129
00:55:45,013 --> 00:55:46,293
Speaker 2: It's a bit of a shimmy. Oh well, hey, thank

1130
00:55:46,333 --> 00:55:48,333
Speaker 2: you so much for your call, Luke. Appreciate that a

1131
00:55:48,373 --> 00:55:48,652
Speaker 2: lot of.

1132
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Speaker 3: People will be thinking the same. O eight one hundred

1133
00:55:50,573 --> 00:55:52,373
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It

1134
00:55:52,573 --> 00:55:55,293
Speaker 3: is twenty four past two. Bag very shortly here on

1135
00:55:55,373 --> 00:55:56,013
Speaker 3: News Talks B.

1136
00:56:00,653 --> 00:56:04,013
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1137
00:56:04,013 --> 00:56:05,973
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

1138
00:56:06,693 --> 00:56:09,333
Speaker 2: I'm so sexy as this text on nine two of

1139
00:56:09,453 --> 00:56:11,973
Speaker 2: hearing people who say these teachers who take the day off,

1140
00:56:12,013 --> 00:56:14,373
Speaker 2: it's not the teachers who decide on the teacher's only day,

1141
00:56:14,413 --> 00:56:17,453
Speaker 2: it's the powers above. The first term is so disruptive

1142
00:56:18,493 --> 00:56:24,333
Speaker 2: just one second. The first term is so disruptive worth

1143
00:56:24,893 --> 00:56:27,013
Speaker 2: all the days off when we are trying to get

1144
00:56:27,133 --> 00:56:31,172
Speaker 2: school started to have these days interrupting the term poli

1145
00:56:32,013 --> 00:56:34,933
Speaker 2: when did Yeah, here we go, there's a bunch of

1146
00:56:34,973 --> 00:56:36,853
Speaker 2: stuff on there. So true. Why are teachers getting the

1147
00:56:36,853 --> 00:56:38,933
Speaker 2: blame for the decisions made by the board. Teachers don't

1148
00:56:38,973 --> 00:56:42,093
Speaker 2: choose the days the teachers only days are Yeah, I

1149
00:56:42,253 --> 00:56:45,573
Speaker 2: agree with that. That's really really harsh to blame the

1150
00:56:45,653 --> 00:56:47,613
Speaker 2: teachers for that is if they have any decision on that,

1151
00:56:47,773 --> 00:56:50,253
Speaker 2: and they have been allocated for teachers only days a year.

1152
00:56:50,373 --> 00:56:53,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've approve if you questions.

1153
00:56:53,093 --> 00:56:55,053
Speaker 2: If you question that, then that's to do with the

1154
00:56:55,133 --> 00:56:58,013
Speaker 2: Ministry of Education, isn't it. And also, you know, my

1155
00:56:58,133 --> 00:57:00,933
Speaker 2: mum was a teacher. She worked incredibly hard. The idea

1156
00:57:00,973 --> 00:57:04,772
Speaker 2: that teachers don't work hard. I totally dispute that. Every

1157
00:57:04,853 --> 00:57:07,853
Speaker 2: teacher I know takes on such an emotional load from

1158
00:57:07,853 --> 00:57:10,093
Speaker 2: their kids and put so much of it in that

1159
00:57:11,133 --> 00:57:13,732
Speaker 2: the idea that they are somehow got a better deal

1160
00:57:13,813 --> 00:57:15,573
Speaker 2: than the rest of us, I don't agree with that.

1161
00:57:15,853 --> 00:57:18,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a fair point. It make a difference, right.

1162
00:57:18,053 --> 00:57:19,853
Speaker 3: We all know teachers don't go into the profession to

1163
00:57:19,893 --> 00:57:21,933
Speaker 3: get rich. They certainly don't do that. Yeah, and it's

1164
00:57:21,933 --> 00:57:22,253
Speaker 3: a bit.

1165
00:57:22,213 --> 00:57:26,133
Speaker 2: Rich us hassling with slack girls high school for taking

1166
00:57:26,333 --> 00:57:29,773
Speaker 2: day off on Friday. When I hear you are Tyler.

1167
00:57:30,493 --> 00:57:32,213
Speaker 3: That's it, and you'll leave not a sicky. By the way,

1168
00:57:32,333 --> 00:57:34,973
Speaker 3: just in case anyone's wondering, are wondering, I've been very

1169
00:57:35,013 --> 00:57:35,853
Speaker 3: honest with the employers.

1170
00:57:35,893 --> 00:57:38,373
Speaker 2: And here's another text on nine two nine two. Please

1171
00:57:38,573 --> 00:57:41,453
Speaker 2: stop talking like you're qualified to judge what's good or

1172
00:57:41,493 --> 00:57:45,093
Speaker 2: bad for people. Just because you think social connection is

1173
00:57:45,133 --> 00:57:46,973
Speaker 2: required for people does not mean that there's a case.

1174
00:57:47,013 --> 00:57:49,213
Speaker 2: Everyone is different and many people do not enjoy that

1175
00:57:49,333 --> 00:57:52,493
Speaker 2: kind of interaction. There are also many people who are

1176
00:57:52,533 --> 00:57:55,493
Speaker 2: perfectly happy to minimize interaction and work better alone. The

1177
00:57:55,573 --> 00:57:59,013
Speaker 2: information available to children is a massive part of the issue.

1178
00:57:59,053 --> 00:58:00,893
Speaker 2: They have not any of the crap that you guys

1179
00:58:00,893 --> 00:58:03,693
Speaker 2: are bleeding on about. Well, please stop talking about things.

1180
00:58:04,373 --> 00:58:07,173
Speaker 2: In what world do you think that people shouldn't talk

1181
00:58:07,213 --> 00:58:09,573
Speaker 2: about things and discussion issues that are to do with

1182
00:58:09,973 --> 00:58:13,133
Speaker 2: the society that we live in. Yeah, that's an absolutely

1183
00:58:13,333 --> 00:58:17,133
Speaker 2: outrageous thing to say, especially to RINGK especially the text

1184
00:58:17,253 --> 00:58:19,813
Speaker 2: talkback radio and say please stop talking about things.

1185
00:58:19,853 --> 00:58:22,173
Speaker 3: Wouldn't be much of a show if we stop talking. Yeah,

1186
00:58:23,293 --> 00:58:24,053
Speaker 3: how are you, Brendan?

1187
00:58:25,613 --> 00:58:27,893
Speaker 18: Yeah, Hi, guys, Yeah, please don't stop talking about it,

1188
00:58:27,933 --> 00:58:30,853
Speaker 18: because I think this is a really important subject. You know,

1189
00:58:31,093 --> 00:58:34,053
Speaker 18: we're we're involved in after school to deliver them after

1190
00:58:34,093 --> 00:58:38,613
Speaker 18: school education for children. We have been doing that for

1191
00:58:38,893 --> 00:58:41,613
Speaker 18: over twenty years, and we've had a lot of experience

1192
00:58:41,733 --> 00:58:45,613
Speaker 18: in the face to face versus online space, and so

1193
00:58:46,013 --> 00:58:48,773
Speaker 18: what I'd just say is that we know, through the

1194
00:58:48,893 --> 00:58:51,813
Speaker 18: data that we've collected over the years of delivering in

1195
00:58:51,893 --> 00:58:55,853
Speaker 18: the center, face to face small group lessons versus the

1196
00:58:55,973 --> 00:58:58,573
Speaker 18: online lessons, that we do our best work when we're

1197
00:58:58,613 --> 00:59:01,293
Speaker 18: face to face. So we know that and that's what

1198
00:59:01,453 --> 00:59:03,893
Speaker 18: we want to deliver, and we think that's where most

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00:59:03,933 --> 00:59:07,413
Speaker 18: of the students perform best and get the best results.

1200
00:59:07,813 --> 00:59:11,253
Speaker 18: Having said that, we do also offer the opportunity for

1201
00:59:11,493 --> 00:59:15,373
Speaker 18: some children to be tutored online and that goes really

1202
00:59:15,413 --> 00:59:18,693
Speaker 18: well for kids who live rarely. And also it's important

1203
00:59:18,693 --> 00:59:20,453
Speaker 18: to remember there's some kiddies out there that have got

1204
00:59:20,533 --> 00:59:23,693
Speaker 18: some really serious health needs and literally getting out of

1205
00:59:23,733 --> 00:59:26,093
Speaker 18: the house for them is a big mission and it

1206
00:59:26,173 --> 00:59:28,773
Speaker 18: may not be around as simple as you know. Quote

1207
00:59:28,853 --> 00:59:31,933
Speaker 18: unquote mental health, but it could be actual, you know,

1208
00:59:32,133 --> 00:59:36,013
Speaker 18: significant physical issues that are that are holding them back,

1209
00:59:36,213 --> 00:59:38,733
Speaker 18: or maybe some serious treatment that they're undergoing. So there's

1210
00:59:38,773 --> 00:59:41,413
Speaker 18: still a place for that online learning one hundred percent.

1211
00:59:41,813 --> 00:59:44,573
Speaker 18: But you know, kids, really they need to be there.

1212
00:59:44,653 --> 00:59:47,973
Speaker 18: They need to be there in person and accountable and

1213
00:59:48,093 --> 00:59:50,613
Speaker 18: help to account and it's very difficult to do that

1214
00:59:50,693 --> 00:59:54,053
Speaker 18: in a virtual environment. So for parents who are feeling

1215
00:59:54,093 --> 00:59:57,133
Speaker 18: a little frustrated about having a you know, an online

1216
00:59:57,413 --> 01:00:00,173
Speaker 18: learning day on Friday in the first week of school,

1217
01:00:00,693 --> 01:00:02,813
Speaker 18: totally hear you because I've got three kids as well,

1218
01:00:03,573 --> 01:00:06,813
Speaker 18: and I would say that you know, kids in general,

1219
01:00:06,973 --> 01:00:09,213
Speaker 18: for most children, they will war and better when they

1220
01:00:09,293 --> 01:00:12,893
Speaker 18: have a real quality teacher there with them, guiding them

1221
01:00:13,013 --> 01:00:14,973
Speaker 18: and helping them to be the best that they can be.

1222
01:00:15,293 --> 01:00:18,493
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, thanks, thanks, thanks for that, Brendan. And it's

1223
01:00:18,533 --> 01:00:22,013
Speaker 2: interesting because you know that that's when technologies are absolutely

1224
01:00:22,133 --> 01:00:24,573
Speaker 2: at its best. Right when when you have someone that

1225
01:00:24,733 --> 01:00:26,813
Speaker 2: has a reason why they can't be there, maybe they're

1226
01:00:26,893 --> 01:00:30,053
Speaker 2: rurally or they've got a health reason, or whatever reason

1227
01:00:30,093 --> 01:00:32,893
Speaker 2: where that specific person would not be able to have

1228
01:00:33,293 --> 01:00:36,773
Speaker 2: the education that they can get with the help of technology,

1229
01:00:36,813 --> 01:00:40,453
Speaker 2: then that is wicked and it absolutely should be celebrated.

1230
01:00:40,813 --> 01:00:42,413
Speaker 2: But I think you agree with me when I say

1231
01:00:42,493 --> 01:00:46,453
Speaker 2: that that the needle should be tipped towards kids socializing,

1232
01:00:46,653 --> 01:00:50,493
Speaker 2: being around with other people and having real interactions if

1233
01:00:50,533 --> 01:00:51,253
Speaker 2: at all possible.

1234
01:00:52,573 --> 01:00:53,253
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think in.

1235
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Speaker 18: General, you know, that's a healthy place for most children

1236
01:00:55,973 --> 01:00:58,213
Speaker 18: to be. But you know, and it's easy for those

1237
01:00:58,253 --> 01:01:00,133
Speaker 18: of us that live in the big city to go, oh,

1238
01:01:00,293 --> 01:01:02,133
Speaker 18: you know, connect to me is not such an issue.

1239
01:01:02,293 --> 01:01:03,933
Speaker 18: You know, we can go and do that face to face.

1240
01:01:04,013 --> 01:01:06,813
Speaker 18: But hey, remember there's heaps of kids in New Zealand

1241
01:01:06,853 --> 01:01:09,373
Speaker 18: that live a long way from a center. You don't

1242
01:01:09,413 --> 01:01:11,053
Speaker 18: have to go too far in the South Island here

1243
01:01:11,133 --> 01:01:13,293
Speaker 18: to find kids that have to travel a long way

1244
01:01:13,373 --> 01:01:16,013
Speaker 18: to go to school or that have correspondent to school.

1245
01:01:16,533 --> 01:01:18,413
Speaker 18: So it is a real issue for a lot of families.

1246
01:01:18,453 --> 01:01:21,333
Speaker 18: And so that technology does fill a really important void.

1247
01:01:21,733 --> 01:01:25,133
Speaker 18: But you know, honestly, if if you're you know, if

1248
01:01:25,213 --> 01:01:27,093
Speaker 18: that's something that you're worried about, then I would be

1249
01:01:27,213 --> 01:01:28,893
Speaker 18: encouraging your kids to get out there and do it

1250
01:01:28,933 --> 01:01:31,013
Speaker 18: face to face. We know that's where they do their

1251
01:01:31,053 --> 01:01:32,053
Speaker 18: best for most children.

1252
01:01:32,133 --> 01:01:34,493
Speaker 2: So, Ben, when you say that you're doing are you

1253
01:01:34,573 --> 01:01:36,893
Speaker 2: doing after school? Education because my kids for a while

1254
01:01:36,973 --> 01:01:40,333
Speaker 2: went to because because the hours that me and my

1255
01:01:40,453 --> 01:01:43,853
Speaker 2: partner were working, our kids went to after school care,

1256
01:01:44,653 --> 01:01:47,013
Speaker 2: which wasn't really education, but it was after school care.

1257
01:01:47,333 --> 01:01:50,173
Speaker 2: Are you are you after stool care or after school education?

1258
01:01:51,493 --> 01:01:55,653
Speaker 18: No, we're after school education. So the organization, i'll give

1259
01:01:55,653 --> 01:01:58,253
Speaker 18: it a quick shameless plug is Keith McGrath, kipmcgrad dot co.

1260
01:01:58,413 --> 01:02:01,373
Speaker 18: Dot into it and you'll find that that we have

1261
01:02:01,533 --> 01:02:04,333
Speaker 18: to thank you and I'll send you fifty bucks for

1262
01:02:04,373 --> 01:02:05,413
Speaker 18: allowing me to do that plug.

1263
01:02:05,853 --> 01:02:07,093
Speaker 2: But it's a free mate.

1264
01:02:07,253 --> 01:02:07,533
Speaker 12: We have.

1265
01:02:08,493 --> 01:02:11,053
Speaker 18: Yeah, we have trained teachers on staff and they actually

1266
01:02:11,093 --> 01:02:14,653
Speaker 18: deliver an education program that is customized to that particular student.

1267
01:02:14,893 --> 01:02:18,053
Speaker 18: And kids just do really well in that environment. And so,

1268
01:02:18,293 --> 01:02:20,173
Speaker 18: you know, face to face is really where it's at

1269
01:02:20,293 --> 01:02:22,613
Speaker 18: for that type of learning. You know, with the caveat

1270
01:02:22,693 --> 01:02:25,293
Speaker 18: being that there's still a place for online for some kiddies.

1271
01:02:25,653 --> 01:02:28,853
Speaker 18: But yeah, it's important that kids are getting what they

1272
01:02:28,973 --> 01:02:31,973
Speaker 18: need in that education space. And it's really easy I

1273
01:02:32,053 --> 01:02:34,653
Speaker 18: suppose to sit there and say, ah, you know, I'm

1274
01:02:34,653 --> 01:02:37,853
Speaker 18: a bit frustrated because mental health issues with kids. Yeah, look,

1275
01:02:37,893 --> 01:02:39,573
Speaker 18: that's a real thing for lots of kids, and it

1276
01:02:39,693 --> 01:02:42,013
Speaker 18: really can't be minimized. But there's there's also a lot

1277
01:02:42,053 --> 01:02:43,933
Speaker 18: of other things that might grant kids from getting a

1278
01:02:44,013 --> 01:02:46,373
Speaker 18: quality face to face education too, and that's where your

1279
01:02:46,413 --> 01:02:47,133
Speaker 18: online space is.

1280
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Speaker 2: All right, I need to think for that nice I

1281
01:02:49,853 --> 01:02:51,613
Speaker 2: was going to give one more plug, but no, he's gone.

1282
01:02:51,613 --> 01:02:55,013
Speaker 3: There you Kep McGrath kick McGrath, Yeah, no, Kep keep

1283
01:02:55,173 --> 01:03:01,453
Speaker 3: Kip McGrath. Kep McGrath, quick drawmagral queen. Did you still there?

1284
01:03:01,493 --> 01:03:04,533
Speaker 4: But I said that right, Yeah, you got to guys.

1285
01:03:05,173 --> 01:03:05,773
Speaker 17: G R. A. T.

1286
01:03:06,053 --> 01:03:08,053
Speaker 3: H Man, thank you very much.

1287
01:03:08,373 --> 01:03:09,973
Speaker 2: We'd love to give people a free plague.

1288
01:03:10,133 --> 01:03:12,253
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah, if you've got something to play, go one

1289
01:03:12,333 --> 01:03:14,093
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1290
01:03:14,813 --> 01:03:17,253
Speaker 3: But seriously, you know the exception rather than the rule.

1291
01:03:17,293 --> 01:03:19,133
Speaker 3: And I think we've said that from the get go right,

1292
01:03:19,213 --> 01:03:22,693
Speaker 3: they're clearly there will be kids who are in situations

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Speaker 3: that online learning is an absolute god's end. But the

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Speaker 3: whole point was it shouldn't be broad brush for all

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Speaker 3: kids as it's going to be on Friday and some schools.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of education, I think people like you should

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Speaker 2: stop calling children kids. Kids belong to nanny goats, not parents.

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Speaker 2: Come on, shall we start calling them cubs. Cubs yeah,

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Speaker 2: cubs Yeah. Piglets, the little piglets. Right, Piglets need to

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Speaker 2: be in school learning with other piglets, not online at

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Speaker 2: home on Friday. Piglets do best around other piglets.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 3: The headlines with Raylene coming up, but will take more

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Speaker 3: of your calls very shortly. It's twenty five to.

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Speaker 12: Three US talk said the lines with blue bubble taxis

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Speaker 12: it's no trouble with a blue bubble. A stormy response

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Speaker 12: to government speeches at White Tonguey, with Ax David Seymour

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Speaker 12: being heckled in Stonewalled by protesters objecting to his Treaty

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Speaker 12: Principal's Bill. Other parties and government have reiterated it won't

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Speaker 12: become law, but many are still expressing fury over the

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Speaker 12: bill and other policies targeting Mardi And while the Police

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Speaker 12: Maritime Unit says it was a matter of right place,

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Speaker 12: right time after they rescue two teens struggling in the

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Speaker 12: current at the Whiteitungy Wharf as their vessel pulled up yesterday.

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Speaker 12: The rate of unemployment is on the rise, reaching five

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Speaker 12: point one percent in the December quarter and expected to

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Speaker 12: keep climbing for the first half of this year. Christ

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Speaker 12: Church Police are asking for help from the public after

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Speaker 12: a woman was found seriously injured at the Richmond Village

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Speaker 12: green On Stanmore Row this morning. A plague of mice

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Speaker 12: is threatening critically endangered alborne skinks in Victoria Forest Park

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Speaker 12: near Reefton. Doc will use a toxin in bait traps

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Speaker 12: until a predator proofence is built with a caution zone

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Speaker 12: applying for three years. Never known as season to be

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Speaker 12: as early picking season underway in New Zealand's Apple capital.

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Speaker 12: You can read more at enzet here. We'll premium back

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Speaker 12: to Matt Eath and Tyner Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean and we're having a

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Speaker 3: great discussion about online learning in schools.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. We had a text before someone saying stop talking

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Speaker 2: like you're qualified, and I said, duh, Look, I think

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Speaker 2: we're on Talkbauck radio, so we should be allowed to

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Speaker 2: talk about I mean, that's the whole point of it.

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Speaker 2: We talk about issues. That person's come back on nineteen

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Speaker 2: nine two. Stop talking like you're qualified is not the

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Speaker 2: same as stop talking saying things like forced kids to

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Speaker 2: go to school is not okay, fair enough, No, because

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Speaker 2: what would your qualification be to talk about kids and

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Speaker 2: humanity in society. Isn't a good qualification being part of it,

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Speaker 2: being part of society, having been a child, being.

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Speaker 3: A parent, going through observing things.

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Speaker 2: So what qualification do you need to discuss this kind

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Speaker 2: of stuff. I think I've got a pretty good qualification

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Speaker 2: to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, And please, dear Texture, we'd love to

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Speaker 3: hear from you on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 3: and keen on your qualifications as well.

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Speaker 2: And also it is okay to say that you think

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Speaker 2: that children should go to school. A lot of very

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Speaker 2: qualified people that have done a lot of investigation to

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01:06:24,613 --> 01:06:28,253
Speaker 2: it have said that anxiety grows when people hide from

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Speaker 2: the thing they're scared of. Yeah, so if a child

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Speaker 2: says they don't want to go to school because they're

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01:06:31,933 --> 01:06:34,093
Speaker 2: too anxious to go to school, and you allow them

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Speaker 2: to stay at home, that doesn't solve the anxiety problem.

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Speaker 2: It makes the anxiety grow. And so at some point

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Speaker 2: they have to go out into the world. And that's

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Speaker 2: a lot of why schools exist is because you have

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Speaker 2: to go out into the world, and this is a

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Speaker 2: way of teaching you how the world works. Go to

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Speaker 2: a school, you learn some stuff and you learn how

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Speaker 2: to deal with other people.

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Speaker 3: And how do you become highly qualified if you don't

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Speaker 3: go into some sort of educational learning. You know, those

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Speaker 3: people are highly qualified. They had to go to school

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Speaker 3: at some stage. That's say you qualified, right, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I got school certin me too? Seen in English? Happy

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Speaker 3: with that? Oh adde hundred. C's get degrees, as they say,

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Speaker 3: I adde hundred is the number to call? Get a mike, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: get How are you doing very good? So what's your

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Speaker 3: view on the online learning days or online learning in general?

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Speaker 3: Have we leaned too far into it?

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Speaker 19: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: I think we think it's a magic bullet because of

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Speaker 14: the age that we live in.

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Speaker 17: It's not.

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Speaker 14: I think we've got to Now schools want to provide

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Speaker 14: another stream, then they need to do it in the

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Speaker 14: house so that that socialization can still happen in the

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Speaker 14: lunchtimes and and other things. But just to push it

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Speaker 14: back to the home and isolate our upcoming entrepreneurs and

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01:07:54,453 --> 01:07:57,293
Speaker 14: clever people who think outside the box, because that's what

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01:07:57,373 --> 01:08:00,933
Speaker 14: a lot of these ones will be. We can't afford

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Speaker 14: to do that, because it's got to be contextualized in

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Speaker 14: a learning environment that that develops the whole person, just

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Speaker 14: the intellectual side or just one one aspect of education.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I get where you're coming from, Mike.

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Speaker 3: I mean, do you think that a lot of the

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Speaker 3: teacher only days and the idea of having more online

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01:08:23,372 --> 01:08:26,652
Speaker 3: learning is more to do with the teachers themselves maybe

1391
01:08:26,732 --> 01:08:29,133
Speaker 3: having a pretty tough time or maybe been a little

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Speaker 3: bit more anxious than the kids with the state of

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Speaker 3: what they're seen in the classroom.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: You know, it has been in the back of my

1396
01:08:37,612 --> 01:08:43,532
Speaker 14: mind wondering about how long we've had high truancy, how

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Speaker 14: long has anxiety been a a thing in schools amongst you,

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Speaker 14: amongst students, and the transfer to adults to teachers. They've

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Speaker 14: like the last generation has struggled, But maybe we've got

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Speaker 14: a generation that have come up through school without anxiety.

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Speaker 14: Are now those are have got educated and got jobs

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Speaker 14: being teachers. In that that there's a wee bit of

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Speaker 14: anxiety there and it's a bit of a clash of

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Speaker 14: the cod's a wee bit of conflict averse difficulties there.

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Speaker 14: And so you know, they'll go to Australia or where

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Speaker 14: they deem the grass is greener and it's going to

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Speaker 14: be less difficult for them. But anyway, I just wonder

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Speaker 14: if some question marks around the crossover between the anxiety

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Speaker 14: amongst school students going up through university and becoming teachers

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Speaker 14: and they are still carrying those problems and never been

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Speaker 14: dealt with, never been really addressed, and now we're going

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Speaker 14: to clash of the codes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah maybe, Yeah, it's a good point, Mike. I mean

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Speaker 3: having thank you very much of your phone call. Having

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Speaker 3: some teachers within our family, and some of those teachers

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Speaker 3: went over to the UK to one have a bit

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Speaker 3: of experience over at the UK and Europe and do

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Speaker 3: teaching there, and every single one of them found it

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Speaker 3: incredibly difficult, way more difficult in New Zealand in terms

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Speaker 3: of the problems that children were having there, the resources

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Speaker 3: that they had to deal with. They felt like they

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Speaker 3: were banging their heads against the brick wall in the UK.

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Speaker 3: Very very difficult teaching there.

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Speaker 2: God it looks like it when you see UK kids

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01:10:24,293 --> 01:10:28,012
Speaker 2: around the streets. Yeah all the shops have one child

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Speaker 2: at a time, yeah, one school time in time.

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Speaker 3: But now they're off to Australia and granted they're going

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Speaker 3: to get paid more, but I do worry they'll find

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Speaker 3: similar issues in Australia or anywhere else in the world.

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Speaker 3: That is just the state of teaching at the moment,

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Speaker 3: is it. I think there are a lot more challenges

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Speaker 3: than they used to be. It's just to me a

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Speaker 3: fact of teaching.

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Speaker 2: Well, so many other people seem to be able to

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01:10:46,173 --> 01:10:49,132
Speaker 2: work from home now, teachers aren't in that position except

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Speaker 2: for on Friday Westlake situation. But I wonder about like

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Speaker 2: we're talking about anxiety and getting a lot of pushback

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Speaker 2: on this, but I truly believe this is true. But

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Speaker 2: if you have worked from home, So if you work

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Speaker 2: from home and you go into work one day a week,

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Speaker 2: the anxiety of going into work is very different than

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Speaker 2: if you go in every day, because you're hiding from

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Speaker 2: certain things and running into people could be quite quite weird.

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Speaker 12: You know.

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Speaker 2: I remember when during COVID I was working by myself

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01:11:14,772 --> 01:11:17,173
Speaker 2: for a lot of it with a small team, and

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01:11:17,213 --> 01:11:19,372
Speaker 2: then when other people came it was so weird. Yeah,

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01:11:19,612 --> 01:11:21,333
Speaker 2: I had to I had to learn how to deal

1449
01:11:21,452 --> 01:11:23,412
Speaker 2: with other human beings again because I hadn't seen them

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01:11:23,452 --> 01:11:24,812
Speaker 2: for a long time, and a lot of people experienced

1451
01:11:24,853 --> 01:11:27,173
Speaker 2: that situation. Yeah, it's not good. No, you want to

1452
01:11:27,213 --> 01:11:29,812
Speaker 2: do everything you can to be around people if you can.

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01:11:29,933 --> 01:11:31,652
Speaker 3: You're right. I had the exact same thing because I

1454
01:11:31,732 --> 01:11:34,372
Speaker 3: was working out of the office because we were in broadcasting,

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01:11:34,612 --> 01:11:36,253
Speaker 3: and when the rest of the office came back, I

1456
01:11:36,333 --> 01:11:38,333
Speaker 3: was terrified. I hid in a beech studio just for

1457
01:11:38,372 --> 01:11:41,213
Speaker 3: a couple of days to reclimatize to meeting and seeing

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Speaker 3: people again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hadn't smelt a lady for a long time.

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01:11:44,253 --> 01:11:46,972
Speaker 2: Lady walked in with a lovely scented lady, there would

1461
01:11:46,973 --> 01:11:50,093
Speaker 2: have been nice, but terrified smelter a mile away. I

1462
01:11:50,213 --> 01:11:52,053
Speaker 2: used to have anxiety before going out, but then I

1463
01:11:52,133 --> 01:11:54,612
Speaker 2: realized in my own, in my own brain, that I

1464
01:11:54,732 --> 01:11:56,772
Speaker 2: needed to make myself go out otherwise I had just

1465
01:11:56,853 --> 01:11:59,852
Speaker 2: become a hermit, which I was well on the way

1466
01:11:59,893 --> 01:12:02,053
Speaker 2: to doing. Yeah, that's that's that's an example of it.

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Speaker 2: You know, you know, you choose not to go out

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Speaker 2: to that social occasion because you feel anxiety, and then

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Speaker 2: you find it even harder to go out to the

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Speaker 2: next one, and the next one and the next one.

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Speaker 2: You've just got to force yourself into these social situations.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. So the

1473
01:12:14,452 --> 01:12:15,852
Speaker 3: number to call, it's quarter to three.

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Speaker 1: It's been fantastic your new home of afternoon Talk Matt

1475
01:12:21,093 --> 01:12:24,812
Speaker 1: and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety turn every

1476
01:12:24,893 --> 01:12:29,053
Speaker 1: journey into something special Call eight hundred News Talk.

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Speaker 3: Said, be that was a stitch up, wasn't it? I pointed,

1478
01:12:31,973 --> 01:12:33,093
Speaker 3: gore Go is it?

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01:12:33,133 --> 01:12:35,852
Speaker 2: Pointed me? Start talking, and then bone bone. I was

1480
01:12:35,893 --> 01:12:37,973
Speaker 2: talking over a sting as we call it in the

1481
01:12:38,013 --> 01:12:41,772
Speaker 2: business or imaging or something. I forget what the word is. Anyway,

1482
01:12:41,933 --> 01:12:46,452
Speaker 2: as I was saying before, I was rudely interrupted that

1483
01:12:47,293 --> 01:12:49,093
Speaker 2: this has been a very interesting discussion. Is it's been

1484
01:12:49,372 --> 01:12:53,053
Speaker 2: floating everywhere, and this text here, I think is interesting.

1485
01:12:53,612 --> 01:12:58,253
Speaker 2: As a kid and a teen with social phobia, being

1486
01:12:58,293 --> 01:13:00,572
Speaker 2: forced to be around people was very important. I didn't

1487
01:13:00,612 --> 01:13:04,532
Speaker 2: find therapy help until adulthood. But if I hadn't had

1488
01:13:04,572 --> 01:13:06,612
Speaker 2: been forced to go to school, I'd be so much

1489
01:13:06,652 --> 01:13:11,372
Speaker 2: worse than where I am now. It's called exposure therapy. Yes, interesting,

1490
01:13:11,692 --> 01:13:15,012
Speaker 2: all right, Matt. Your thoughts you're an educator an online

1491
01:13:15,093 --> 01:13:15,732
Speaker 2: educator are.

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Speaker 18: Yeah?

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01:13:17,492 --> 01:13:20,132
Speaker 17: I do a bit of both. I do in person online,

1494
01:13:20,213 --> 01:13:25,052
Speaker 17: I've worked in I like more trade based, but from experience,

1495
01:13:25,053 --> 01:13:27,412
Speaker 17: I've got three kids to start with. They're all finished

1496
01:13:27,412 --> 01:13:31,652
Speaker 17: school grown up. They all did a blended learning growing up,

1497
01:13:31,772 --> 01:13:34,333
Speaker 17: which and that was only by default. They went to

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01:13:34,412 --> 01:13:37,372
Speaker 17: school and then we moved North Canterbury, so they were

1499
01:13:37,412 --> 01:13:40,452
Speaker 17: quite away from the school and there was either a

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01:13:40,532 --> 01:13:45,093
Speaker 17: long school bus ride or by a distance. Oldest one

1501
01:13:45,372 --> 01:13:48,933
Speaker 17: failed dismally and did nothing. Next next one passed amazingly

1502
01:13:49,173 --> 01:13:51,732
Speaker 17: and did brilliantly. And the third one when I got

1503
01:13:51,772 --> 01:13:56,652
Speaker 17: a job. So there we go. So yeah, online, you know,

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01:13:56,812 --> 01:14:00,013
Speaker 17: and I did an online course yesterday. I delivered it

1505
01:14:00,612 --> 01:14:05,173
Speaker 17: and seventeen people online, two cameras on and to to

1506
01:14:05,612 --> 01:14:09,012
Speaker 17: you know, two lots of people really engaged. It's quite

1507
01:14:09,093 --> 01:14:10,772
Speaker 17: hard to gauge. And that's that's if.

1508
01:14:10,732 --> 01:14:13,812
Speaker 2: You're well two out of seventeen are engaged, or two

1509
01:14:14,133 --> 01:14:16,333
Speaker 2: lots of people will engage to.

1510
01:14:17,013 --> 01:14:22,133
Speaker 17: Two screens out of set we're on and you get

1511
01:14:22,173 --> 01:14:24,852
Speaker 17: your feedback, you know, and the rest really you don't

1512
01:14:24,893 --> 01:14:28,053
Speaker 17: even know if they're in the room sometimes. So yeah, yeah,

1513
01:14:28,253 --> 01:14:30,932
Speaker 17: and that's that that's I find that's the hardest thing

1514
01:14:31,093 --> 01:14:31,692
Speaker 17: for online.

1515
01:14:31,853 --> 01:14:33,732
Speaker 2: What type of teaching we do? Does Were you teaching

1516
01:14:33,772 --> 01:14:34,732
Speaker 2: adults or children?

1517
01:14:35,093 --> 01:14:35,293
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1518
01:14:35,333 --> 01:14:37,532
Speaker 17: Yeah, this is this is adults. I have taught in

1519
01:14:37,692 --> 01:14:41,652
Speaker 17: schools in person and that is challenging, but it's your

1520
01:14:41,853 --> 01:14:45,532
Speaker 17: reception is way better. So yeah, in person. For me,

1521
01:14:46,572 --> 01:14:50,372
Speaker 17: I've taught apprentices over the years. That's bulk of what

1522
01:14:50,492 --> 01:14:53,333
Speaker 17: I do. And I've been taught in house. I work

1523
01:14:53,372 --> 01:14:56,013
Speaker 17: for a big manufacturer now and I run all their

1524
01:14:56,053 --> 01:14:59,333
Speaker 17: training and also run by training company. But it's yeah,

1525
01:14:59,893 --> 01:15:03,812
Speaker 17: online has its place. But I think if you were

1526
01:15:03,893 --> 01:15:06,812
Speaker 17: to send a kid and sorry to the person who

1527
01:15:06,812 --> 01:15:12,652
Speaker 17: doesn't want to call them kids that they are grunt,

1528
01:15:14,333 --> 01:15:16,213
Speaker 17: you send them a link and they've got to do

1529
01:15:16,293 --> 01:15:19,772
Speaker 17: it on their own. Yeah, your good luck, you know,

1530
01:15:19,812 --> 01:15:21,612
Speaker 17: because you just don't know who's on the end of computer.

1531
01:15:22,692 --> 01:15:25,213
Speaker 17: You know, Like I say, I had people in the room, yes,

1532
01:15:25,412 --> 01:15:30,013
Speaker 17: or on teams are they there? Who knows the screen's on?

1533
01:15:30,333 --> 01:15:32,812
Speaker 17: They've said hi, They've done a chat and that that's it.

1534
01:15:33,532 --> 01:15:36,932
Speaker 17: So online is pretty hard to gauge. I'm an ad

1535
01:15:37,532 --> 01:15:41,452
Speaker 17: in person. In person every time I just see you know,

1536
01:15:41,572 --> 01:15:43,412
Speaker 17: I had some really good reviews, like people came down

1537
01:15:43,452 --> 01:15:46,372
Speaker 17: that's amazing. Well, but I can say that at the

1538
01:15:46,452 --> 01:15:48,372
Speaker 17: end of three hours because I've just sat in an

1539
01:15:48,412 --> 01:15:51,692
Speaker 17: office over But you know, for kids, I just think, no,

1540
01:15:51,933 --> 01:15:54,852
Speaker 17: get them in the classroom. But I've also had friends

1541
01:15:54,893 --> 01:15:57,893
Speaker 17: who have done the whole homeschool and you know, of

1542
01:15:58,133 --> 01:16:00,572
Speaker 17: a couple of kids. One of them is amazing, runs

1543
01:16:00,652 --> 01:16:03,213
Speaker 17: their own business. The other one is that you know,

1544
01:16:03,893 --> 01:16:04,852
Speaker 17: can't come out of the house.

1545
01:16:04,893 --> 01:16:08,053
Speaker 3: It's just you know, so who knows what it's interesting here?

1546
01:16:08,333 --> 01:16:11,133
Speaker 2: Interesting hearing from your perspective, from from a teaching perspective,

1547
01:16:11,213 --> 01:16:14,892
Speaker 2: from you know, doing these courses, and that you don't

1548
01:16:14,933 --> 01:16:17,612
Speaker 2: get the reaction back from the people. So I've talked

1549
01:16:17,612 --> 01:16:19,852
Speaker 2: to lecturers, and I've got lecturers in my family and

1550
01:16:20,412 --> 01:16:22,932
Speaker 2: and a lot of what they do is they gauge

1551
01:16:23,053 --> 01:16:26,133
Speaker 2: what's happening. They gauge how, what's what's what's what?

1552
01:16:26,333 --> 01:16:26,892
Speaker 10: Feel the room?

1553
01:16:27,053 --> 01:16:28,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, you feel the room. It's like a stand up

1554
01:16:28,452 --> 01:16:30,972
Speaker 2: committee and you can see what if people aren't laughing,

1555
01:16:31,013 --> 01:16:33,093
Speaker 2: it means you're not funny. But you know, if you're

1556
01:16:33,133 --> 01:16:34,852
Speaker 2: looking around a room, you can see people's eyes. You

1557
01:16:34,893 --> 01:16:38,012
Speaker 2: can see whether you're engaging, whether it's where the contents

1558
01:16:38,053 --> 01:16:39,293
Speaker 2: going in or not not going in.

1559
01:16:39,612 --> 01:16:41,013
Speaker 10: That's that you know.

1560
01:16:41,213 --> 01:16:41,452
Speaker 12: I do.

1561
01:16:41,893 --> 01:16:46,452
Speaker 17: I've taught apprenticeship mostly for the last fifteen odd years.

1562
01:16:46,572 --> 01:16:48,572
Speaker 17: And when you're in a room with you know, and

1563
01:16:48,853 --> 01:16:53,572
Speaker 17: their butchers, so you know, good good chat good and

1564
01:16:54,093 --> 01:16:56,253
Speaker 17: you can call them out though, but but to be fair,

1565
01:16:56,372 --> 01:16:58,053
Speaker 17: you get you know, you get them going and you

1566
01:16:58,173 --> 01:17:00,293
Speaker 17: get talking, you can really really feel that they're in

1567
01:17:00,612 --> 01:17:02,892
Speaker 17: you know, I'll be I'll be open. That was when

1568
01:17:02,973 --> 01:17:05,132
Speaker 17: I did a couple of things at school was Christiss

1569
01:17:05,173 --> 01:17:08,812
Speaker 17: Boys High and you know you got all these I've

1570
01:17:08,853 --> 01:17:11,692
Speaker 17: got Rugby scholarships. But no, great, Yeah, I loved it,

1571
01:17:12,452 --> 01:17:17,013
Speaker 17: you know, so yeah, in person, I just cannot beat it.

1572
01:17:17,093 --> 01:17:20,412
Speaker 17: And I've tried of my current sort of contracted employer

1573
01:17:20,492 --> 01:17:22,372
Speaker 17: that I'm working with at the moment to do this

1574
01:17:22,572 --> 01:17:25,213
Speaker 17: online thing and just it falls flat every time.

1575
01:17:25,452 --> 01:17:28,372
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Matt, great to have you on. Thank you very much.

1576
01:17:28,572 --> 01:17:31,013
Speaker 3: It is seven minutes to three bag very shortly year

1577
01:17:31,213 --> 01:17:32,253
Speaker 3: on news talks heb.

1578
01:17:33,692 --> 01:17:36,053
Speaker 5: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1579
01:17:36,133 --> 01:17:36,732
Speaker 5: along the way.

1580
01:17:36,973 --> 01:17:40,892
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1581
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1582
01:17:43,053 --> 01:17:44,053
Speaker 5: News talks be.

1583
01:17:46,173 --> 01:17:48,692
Speaker 3: News talks. He'd be right, good discussion. We're going to

1584
01:17:48,812 --> 01:17:50,812
Speaker 3: change it up after three o'clock. But I think it's

1585
01:17:50,893 --> 01:17:54,093
Speaker 3: fair to say most people have agreed that online learning

1586
01:17:54,173 --> 01:17:56,372
Speaker 3: has just gone a little bit too far, and to

1587
01:17:56,492 --> 01:18:00,613
Speaker 3: the text is saying, you're appalled that we're downplay anxiety.

1588
01:18:00,692 --> 01:18:01,973
Speaker 3: That's not what we've done at all.

1589
01:18:02,133 --> 01:18:03,412
Speaker 2: As I said, said, I'm a poor that matt and

1590
01:18:03,412 --> 01:18:05,852
Speaker 2: Tyler have no idea about what worry is an anxiety.

1591
01:18:05,933 --> 01:18:07,932
Speaker 2: Telling people that their children should toughen up and get

1592
01:18:07,973 --> 01:18:11,372
Speaker 2: to school is ridiculous for those with true anxiety as

1593
01:18:11,412 --> 01:18:15,133
Speaker 2: it should be classified. Bring back. I won't read that,

1594
01:18:15,532 --> 01:18:19,412
Speaker 2: but no, I disagree. Hiding away leads to more hiding away,

1595
01:18:19,612 --> 01:18:22,973
Speaker 2: and more hiding away leads to depression. So you've got

1596
01:18:23,053 --> 01:18:25,093
Speaker 2: to get people out. You've got to get out and socialize.

1597
01:18:25,173 --> 01:18:26,532
Speaker 2: Do everything you can to do it if you can.

1598
01:18:26,732 --> 01:18:28,772
Speaker 3: Yep, good for them. Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten

1599
01:18:28,812 --> 01:18:29,852
Speaker 3: eighty is number cool?

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01:18:30,333 --> 01:18:30,692
Speaker 14: All right?

1601
01:18:30,893 --> 01:18:34,892
Speaker 3: Coming up very shortly another topic, corn the table. You're

1602
01:18:34,893 --> 01:18:36,372
Speaker 3: gonna love this one. It's going to be such a

1603
01:18:36,412 --> 01:18:39,333
Speaker 3: great discussion. Will tell you more very shortly.

1604
01:18:55,933 --> 01:19:00,132
Speaker 1: Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

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01:19:00,372 --> 01:19:04,333
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety on

1606
01:19:04,532 --> 01:19:05,372
Speaker 1: News Talk SEV.

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01:19:06,053 --> 01:19:07,812
Speaker 3: Welcome back into the show. Hope you having a great

1608
01:19:07,893 --> 01:19:11,092
Speaker 3: afternoon and a good couple of hours chatting about online

1609
01:19:11,213 --> 01:19:13,932
Speaker 3: learning but we're going to change tech over the next

1610
01:19:14,013 --> 01:19:14,852
Speaker 3: fifty minutes or so.

1611
01:19:15,173 --> 01:19:17,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, before we get into that, I just saw something

1612
01:19:18,013 --> 01:19:21,253
Speaker 2: really cool online. You know Brent Mackenzie yep, who from

1613
01:19:21,333 --> 01:19:24,213
Speaker 2: Flight of the Concords, talented guy. He's won an oscar

1614
01:19:24,412 --> 01:19:25,973
Speaker 2: for am I a Man or a Muppet, which is

1615
01:19:26,013 --> 01:19:29,012
Speaker 2: a fantastic so incredibly talented songwriter had this great album

1616
01:19:29,213 --> 01:19:32,852
Speaker 2: out was the year before last, called Songs Without Jokes Yep,

1617
01:19:33,013 --> 01:19:36,333
Speaker 2: because you know he's famous for his comedy. But oh wow,

1618
01:19:36,372 --> 01:19:38,492
Speaker 2: that was in twenty twenty two, that album came out.

1619
01:19:38,572 --> 01:19:41,213
Speaker 2: It's a really really great album. But he's a really

1620
01:19:41,253 --> 01:19:44,732
Speaker 2: good songwriter and a really funny guy. But he's just

1621
01:19:44,933 --> 01:19:46,572
Speaker 2: started a thing where he's going to write a song

1622
01:19:46,812 --> 01:19:50,692
Speaker 2: every week for twenty twenty five and post it online.

1623
01:19:50,973 --> 01:19:53,133
Speaker 2: Love it and I would play his first song. It's

1624
01:19:53,133 --> 01:19:56,012
Speaker 2: a beautiful piano piece. But it starts off pretty quickly,

1625
01:19:56,173 --> 01:19:59,652
Speaker 2: hits an F word, but in a beautiful way. But yeah,

1626
01:20:00,053 --> 01:20:00,893
Speaker 2: I'm excited about this.

1627
01:20:01,053 --> 01:20:02,572
Speaker 3: You have sold it to me. What's the name? Can

1628
01:20:02,652 --> 01:20:03,812
Speaker 3: you say the name of the song.

1629
01:20:05,013 --> 01:20:07,013
Speaker 2: He hasn't given a name to this first song. He's

1630
01:20:07,053 --> 01:20:11,333
Speaker 2: just playing a song. Yeah, and but but his Instagram

1631
01:20:11,772 --> 01:20:18,333
Speaker 2: is retrospective like b R E t R perspective.

1632
01:20:18,532 --> 01:20:19,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, and here he is.

1633
01:20:21,093 --> 01:20:21,492
Speaker 4: Last year.

1634
01:20:21,652 --> 01:20:23,572
Speaker 2: But anyway, yeah, so there you go.

1635
01:20:25,372 --> 01:20:25,492
Speaker 19: Out.

1636
01:20:25,532 --> 01:20:27,253
Speaker 2: I'm to change away from that now because it does

1637
01:20:27,492 --> 01:20:30,333
Speaker 2: and we can't be sharing the E word on news.

1638
01:20:30,893 --> 01:20:34,652
Speaker 3: Certainly not know, we've got standards to follow and we're professional.

1639
01:20:34,692 --> 01:20:35,293
Speaker 3: If anything else.

1640
01:20:35,372 --> 01:20:38,132
Speaker 2: What a cool guy that guy is. Branda Kenzie so talented.

1641
01:20:38,253 --> 01:20:41,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, right onto this discussion. So as many of you

1642
01:20:41,093 --> 01:20:43,333
Speaker 3: would have seen, it was time to say see you

1643
01:20:43,492 --> 01:20:47,772
Speaker 3: later to our Air Forces. C one thirty h Hercules fleet.

1644
01:20:47,853 --> 01:20:51,093
Speaker 3: It has been retired from service and de commissioned.

1645
01:20:51,293 --> 01:20:52,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've done so much stuff. We've had them for

1646
01:20:53,173 --> 01:20:57,172
Speaker 2: sixty years. These planes one hundred thousand takeoffs and landings.

1647
01:20:57,532 --> 01:20:59,692
Speaker 2: I was going to say, one hundred thousand takeoffs. You

1648
01:20:59,772 --> 01:21:02,412
Speaker 2: want to have a landing after that takeoff? Well, I

1649
01:21:02,452 --> 01:21:04,293
Speaker 2: guess you're always going to have some sort of landing

1650
01:21:04,333 --> 01:21:06,492
Speaker 2: once you take off. What you want to say landing?

1651
01:21:06,772 --> 01:21:10,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, is that one hundred thousand takeoff in ninety and

1652
01:21:10,372 --> 01:21:11,213
Speaker 3: ninety nine landings?

1653
01:21:11,572 --> 01:21:15,572
Speaker 2: There's one still up there. Fantastic aircraft that have been

1654
01:21:15,893 --> 01:21:18,692
Speaker 2: so useful for New Zealand across so many things that

1655
01:21:18,772 --> 01:21:23,172
Speaker 2: we've done. They've dropped bulldozers to the remote Pitkin Islands

1656
01:21:23,213 --> 01:21:27,612
Speaker 2: in the Pacific, They've moved crocodiles and elephants to wildlife reserves.

1657
01:21:28,412 --> 01:21:31,892
Speaker 2: They've dealt with an unhappy pig in Boganville. But they've

1658
01:21:31,893 --> 01:21:37,732
Speaker 2: also done so much reconnoinment since and rescues for us.

1659
01:21:37,853 --> 01:21:39,932
Speaker 2: They've done so much. They've been real workhorses for us.

1660
01:21:40,053 --> 01:21:41,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is I want to hear more about the

1661
01:21:41,973 --> 01:21:43,452
Speaker 3: unhappy pig in Boganville.

1662
01:21:43,612 --> 01:21:45,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need more information about that. I just know

1663
01:21:46,053 --> 01:21:47,253
Speaker 2: that they help with an unhappy pig.

1664
01:21:47,412 --> 01:21:47,572
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1665
01:21:47,612 --> 01:21:49,933
Speaker 3: But sixty years in the year, which is phenomenal. And

1666
01:21:50,133 --> 01:21:53,932
Speaker 3: now there are the new version of the Hercules coming

1667
01:21:54,093 --> 01:21:55,612
Speaker 3: into the fleet very soon.

1668
01:21:55,772 --> 01:21:56,372
Speaker 4: Is that correct?

1669
01:21:56,732 --> 01:21:58,052
Speaker 3: Yeah, they are getting upgraded.

1670
01:21:58,173 --> 01:21:59,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they've already got I think the last of

1671
01:21:59,973 --> 01:22:03,213
Speaker 2: the five replacements have come. And I've actually been on

1672
01:22:03,333 --> 01:22:07,053
Speaker 2: the one of the upgrades, the C one thirty J

1673
01:22:07,293 --> 01:22:11,893
Speaker 2: thirty Hercules, very very flash the new ones, and it

1674
01:22:12,013 --> 01:22:13,772
Speaker 2: means that they have two less crew on them because

1675
01:22:13,812 --> 01:22:16,173
Speaker 2: so much more is automated and there's so much less

1676
01:22:16,293 --> 01:22:19,772
Speaker 2: working parts, so there's a lot less repairs that need

1677
01:22:19,853 --> 01:22:22,253
Speaker 2: to be done. But their high tech planes I was

1678
01:22:22,293 --> 01:22:24,412
Speaker 2: playing with some of the features on the plane. That

1679
01:22:24,492 --> 01:22:25,053
Speaker 2: was pretty cool.

1680
01:22:25,213 --> 01:22:26,652
Speaker 3: Was that the photo that you sent us when you

1681
01:22:26,692 --> 01:22:28,093
Speaker 3: were down and was that a hockey or a.

1682
01:22:28,612 --> 01:22:31,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there was a fanuapai that I was in

1683
01:22:31,692 --> 01:22:33,452
Speaker 2: the cockpit of that plane. I wonder if I was

1684
01:22:33,452 --> 01:22:33,973
Speaker 2: allowed to be in.

1685
01:22:34,333 --> 01:22:37,133
Speaker 3: You you locked happy and the candy.

1686
01:22:37,253 --> 01:22:39,972
Speaker 2: It's so cool climbing up into the cockpit because it's higher.

1687
01:22:39,973 --> 01:22:41,492
Speaker 2: But you know, you know what the Hercules is like.

1688
01:22:41,572 --> 01:22:43,333
Speaker 2: It's got the big cargo hold at the back, and

1689
01:22:43,732 --> 01:22:46,333
Speaker 2: you've seen it involved in so many things over the years.

1690
01:22:46,372 --> 01:22:49,852
Speaker 2: And of course the Hercules planes, you know, workhorses for

1691
01:22:50,053 --> 01:22:52,852
Speaker 2: militaries all around the world. You know that the US

1692
01:22:52,933 --> 01:22:54,812
Speaker 2: has a whole divisions of Hercules, and a lot of

1693
01:22:54,853 --> 01:22:56,812
Speaker 2: our pilots go over and work with the US on

1694
01:22:56,812 --> 01:22:59,972
Speaker 2: their various things they do. So they're very very cool planes,

1695
01:23:00,093 --> 01:23:03,372
Speaker 2: and they're being replaced with even cooler new planes. Although

1696
01:23:03,372 --> 01:23:05,213
Speaker 2: I was talking to some of the pilots and they're

1697
01:23:05,213 --> 01:23:07,133
Speaker 2: saying they're going to miss these planes. It's cool stuff

1698
01:23:07,133 --> 01:23:09,612
Speaker 2: about them, and having their having the larger crew on

1699
01:23:09,692 --> 01:23:11,692
Speaker 2: there was slightly more fun.

1700
01:23:11,933 --> 01:23:14,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that was certainly a well loved aircraft.

1701
01:23:15,013 --> 01:23:15,253
Speaker 14: Doing that.

1702
01:23:15,412 --> 01:23:17,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you could cook food on them and stuff.

1703
01:23:17,812 --> 01:23:18,892
Speaker 3: Did they have a kitchen on board?

1704
01:23:19,093 --> 01:23:21,612
Speaker 2: Well, they sort of do a makeshift cooking when they

1705
01:23:21,612 --> 01:23:23,732
Speaker 2: went long trips down to the Attacta and stuff. You

1706
01:23:23,812 --> 01:23:25,412
Speaker 2: sort of get a check and going something like that.

1707
01:23:26,532 --> 01:23:28,372
Speaker 2: But anyway, the cool planes. But the question we want

1708
01:23:28,412 --> 01:23:30,333
Speaker 2: to ask is what do you think about the state

1709
01:23:30,412 --> 01:23:33,452
Speaker 2: of our air force? Because hercules, well they have some

1710
01:23:34,013 --> 01:23:37,692
Speaker 2: combat capabilities. You would say that we don't really have

1711
01:23:38,333 --> 01:23:41,932
Speaker 2: an aerial defense force in New Zealand and we are

1712
01:23:41,933 --> 01:23:44,173
Speaker 2: in a pretty weird and scary world at the moment.

1713
01:23:44,572 --> 01:23:45,973
Speaker 2: Do you think we need that? Of course we got

1714
01:23:46,053 --> 01:23:49,012
Speaker 2: rid of the skyhawks, didn't we And you know, people

1715
01:23:49,213 --> 01:23:54,213
Speaker 2: argued they went practical. But could we spend money in

1716
01:23:54,293 --> 01:23:56,253
Speaker 2: such a way that we would be a country that

1717
01:23:56,372 --> 01:23:58,933
Speaker 2: could defend itself from the air or is that just

1718
01:23:59,093 --> 01:24:01,932
Speaker 2: a pie in the sky thing. It's not even possible,

1719
01:24:02,253 --> 01:24:04,573
Speaker 2: and we just need to doubly suck up to Australia

1720
01:24:04,692 --> 01:24:07,013
Speaker 2: and the US so they come after us that come

1721
01:24:07,053 --> 01:24:08,133
Speaker 2: and help us if there's a problem.

1722
01:24:08,412 --> 01:24:10,452
Speaker 3: Personally, I'd like to see more investment in the air force,

1723
01:24:10,853 --> 01:24:13,213
Speaker 3: our air force personnel to do a fantastic job. But

1724
01:24:13,253 --> 01:24:16,372
Speaker 3: you're right. When they mothboard the Skyhawks, there was a

1725
01:24:16,412 --> 01:24:18,213
Speaker 3: lot of sadness around the country and a lot of

1726
01:24:18,293 --> 01:24:20,372
Speaker 3: jokes for that matter, saying well, that is the end

1727
01:24:20,412 --> 01:24:22,093
Speaker 3: of our air force. What's the point of our air force?

1728
01:24:22,173 --> 01:24:23,892
Speaker 3: We do know that the air force does a lot

1729
01:24:23,933 --> 01:24:26,612
Speaker 3: of important work and very valuable work. But when it

1730
01:24:26,772 --> 01:24:30,813
Speaker 3: comes to actually being a defense force and having aircraft

1731
01:24:31,133 --> 01:24:34,612
Speaker 3: that can operate if things do get a bit hairy,

1732
01:24:34,732 --> 01:24:36,812
Speaker 3: I think that is important for a place like New Zealand.

1733
01:24:37,213 --> 01:24:39,253
Speaker 3: We tend that we have that with our army. We

1734
01:24:39,412 --> 01:24:43,612
Speaker 3: have that to some extent with our Navy, and I

1735
01:24:43,692 --> 01:24:45,452
Speaker 3: think we should have that worth our air force, at

1736
01:24:45,532 --> 01:24:46,812
Speaker 3: least to a limited degree.

1737
01:24:46,933 --> 01:24:49,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got some pretty cool helicopters. We've got some

1738
01:24:49,933 --> 01:24:50,852
Speaker 2: pretty cool helicopters.

1739
01:24:51,093 --> 01:24:53,772
Speaker 3: Aroquois are Are they Aroquois helicopters? They are, aren't they?

1740
01:24:53,853 --> 01:24:56,492
Speaker 2: We've got the NH ninety helicopters, Oh yes, yep. And

1741
01:24:56,572 --> 01:24:59,412
Speaker 2: we've got the sea spright helicopters. But yeah, we don't

1742
01:24:59,492 --> 01:25:02,372
Speaker 2: really have a situation. We don't what do you call it,

1743
01:25:02,612 --> 01:25:06,173
Speaker 2: We don't We don't really have the ability to protect

1744
01:25:06,253 --> 01:25:10,293
Speaker 2: our airspace in any real way from any kind of

1745
01:25:11,692 --> 01:25:12,732
Speaker 2: you know, invading force.

1746
01:25:12,812 --> 01:25:16,253
Speaker 3: I guess, like a lot of young kids, I wanted

1747
01:25:16,253 --> 01:25:18,692
Speaker 3: to be a jet pilot and true story, and I

1748
01:25:18,812 --> 01:25:20,892
Speaker 3: joined the Air Corps and the air course still exists.

1749
01:25:20,973 --> 01:25:22,772
Speaker 3: Remember the Air Corps. Then they had the Navy Corps

1750
01:25:22,772 --> 01:25:24,973
Speaker 3: and the Army Corps and a lot of marching in

1751
01:25:25,013 --> 01:25:27,572
Speaker 3: the Air Corps. But when I was in the Air

1752
01:25:27,612 --> 01:25:30,053
Speaker 3: Corps at the age of twelve, thirteen fourteen, then they

1753
01:25:30,093 --> 01:25:31,173
Speaker 3: got rid of the skyhawks.

1754
01:25:31,492 --> 01:25:32,133
Speaker 1: That was it for me.

1755
01:25:32,333 --> 01:25:34,133
Speaker 3: I left the Air Corps and said, well that's my dream.

1756
01:25:34,173 --> 01:25:36,612
Speaker 3: Did true story that there were no more JITs? And

1757
01:25:36,692 --> 01:25:38,692
Speaker 3: I thought, well, that is a massive disappointment. I'm never

1758
01:25:38,692 --> 01:25:40,812
Speaker 3: going to fly a Jit in this country. So part

1759
01:25:40,893 --> 01:25:43,852
Speaker 3: of me just had that little hope alive that one

1760
01:25:43,933 --> 01:25:46,053
Speaker 3: day we would have JITs again. But I don't know

1761
01:25:46,093 --> 01:25:47,492
Speaker 3: if that's ever going to come to play.

1762
01:25:47,732 --> 01:25:51,133
Speaker 2: So if we'd had some thirty fives, oh yeah, you

1763
01:25:51,333 --> 01:25:53,732
Speaker 2: right now, you'd be blasting around as a pilot.

1764
01:25:56,013 --> 01:25:59,013
Speaker 3: Why can't we get some sixteen we had technology? Now,

1765
01:25:59,093 --> 01:26:00,013
Speaker 3: I've been working with you.

1766
01:26:00,093 --> 01:26:01,652
Speaker 2: For three months and I got a lot of respect

1767
01:26:01,732 --> 01:26:03,852
Speaker 2: and love for you, but you just don't have the

1768
01:26:03,973 --> 01:26:06,333
Speaker 2: right stuff to be a fighter pilot. Mate, you don't

1769
01:26:06,372 --> 01:26:08,852
Speaker 2: have the killer accent. I just can't see you pressing

1770
01:26:08,893 --> 01:26:09,293
Speaker 2: the button.

1771
01:26:09,452 --> 01:26:11,852
Speaker 3: Well, after all that marching as well, you know why

1772
01:26:11,893 --> 01:26:13,333
Speaker 3: are we marching on the ground. I just want to

1773
01:26:13,372 --> 01:26:16,253
Speaker 3: fly jets. Oh e one hundred eighty ten eighty is

1774
01:26:16,293 --> 01:26:18,772
Speaker 3: the number to call. Do you think we should be

1775
01:26:18,853 --> 01:26:21,013
Speaker 3: investing a little bit more into our air force and

1776
01:26:21,253 --> 01:26:24,532
Speaker 3: have some aircraft that are combat ready? Love to hear

1777
01:26:24,572 --> 01:26:27,052
Speaker 3: from your nine two nine two is the text number.

1778
01:26:27,412 --> 01:26:29,053
Speaker 3: It is fourteen past three.

1779
01:26:31,173 --> 01:26:32,412
Speaker 5: Wo there we go.

1780
01:26:34,612 --> 01:26:38,492
Speaker 3: Beautiful, it's lovely, clearly that's that's That's not an F

1781
01:26:38,572 --> 01:26:39,213
Speaker 3: thirty five, is it?

1782
01:26:40,133 --> 01:26:44,293
Speaker 2: No, that might have been a C one thirty hercules. Yeah, beautiful,

1783
01:26:44,372 --> 01:26:46,812
Speaker 2: happy retirement to those the old hercules were allowed to too.

1784
01:26:46,853 --> 01:26:48,892
Speaker 2: That would make them cooler. You can you can buzz

1785
01:26:48,973 --> 01:26:49,532
Speaker 2: people with them.

1786
01:26:50,293 --> 01:26:54,293
Speaker 3: It has a quarter pass three. Good afternoon. We've asked

1787
01:26:54,333 --> 01:26:56,812
Speaker 3: the question, what do we want out of a air force?

1788
01:26:56,893 --> 01:27:00,013
Speaker 3: Do we want to see our government investing more and

1789
01:27:00,173 --> 01:27:02,812
Speaker 3: combat ready aircraft. It's on the back of the retirement

1790
01:27:02,893 --> 01:27:05,612
Speaker 3: of our C one thirty h hercules. I've been in

1791
01:27:05,652 --> 01:27:07,492
Speaker 3: the air for sixty years and have done a mighty

1792
01:27:07,572 --> 01:27:08,293
Speaker 3: job those aircraft.

1793
01:27:10,812 --> 01:27:13,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's no doubt that the new hercules are

1794
01:27:13,333 --> 01:27:15,692
Speaker 2: very very cool with a lot of sweet tech in them.

1795
01:27:16,333 --> 01:27:20,052
Speaker 2: But do we need more gear in the in the army,

1796
01:27:20,173 --> 01:27:21,133
Speaker 2: in the air force.

1797
01:27:22,133 --> 01:27:23,812
Speaker 3: Jacob, how are you this afternoon?

1798
01:27:24,372 --> 01:27:25,852
Speaker 19: Oh I'm very well, thank you? How about you?

1799
01:27:26,253 --> 01:27:26,412
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1800
01:27:26,452 --> 01:27:26,652
Speaker 2: Good?

1801
01:27:26,772 --> 01:27:29,052
Speaker 3: What's your take on this? Do you think it would

1802
01:27:29,093 --> 01:27:32,293
Speaker 3: be wise to look at investing in combat ready aircraft?

1803
01:27:33,372 --> 01:27:35,492
Speaker 19: Look, I'm going to say this. I've had a big

1804
01:27:35,572 --> 01:27:38,213
Speaker 19: debate about people with people about this, and I reckon

1805
01:27:38,293 --> 01:27:42,253
Speaker 19: that it might be surprising at how we use our

1806
01:27:42,293 --> 01:27:44,892
Speaker 19: air force and how modern air force has worked these days.

1807
01:27:45,492 --> 01:27:49,133
Speaker 19: Back in the days when we had Stripeforce with Skyhawks,

1808
01:27:49,452 --> 01:27:52,492
Speaker 19: wanted an awesome aircraft and we could fit in with

1809
01:27:52,572 --> 01:27:57,012
Speaker 19: the Australians and show air superiority in the South Pacific.

1810
01:27:57,173 --> 01:27:59,732
Speaker 19: But ultimately, I think what we really need to be

1811
01:27:59,812 --> 01:28:05,013
Speaker 19: doing is not investing in strikeforce capability because really it's

1812
01:28:05,173 --> 01:28:10,692
Speaker 19: really really expensive and difficult to maintain, and there are

1813
01:28:10,933 --> 01:28:13,772
Speaker 19: there are better ways in which we can support our

1814
01:28:14,492 --> 01:28:18,452
Speaker 19: our local kind of allies and what they need out

1815
01:28:18,612 --> 01:28:21,852
Speaker 19: of our logistics capability, which is what we're very good at.

1816
01:28:21,933 --> 01:28:26,333
Speaker 19: We're very good at logistics and that's how the air

1817
01:28:26,412 --> 01:28:29,732
Speaker 19: forces work when you're in a in an active war zone,

1818
01:28:29,933 --> 01:28:34,093
Speaker 19: they fly forty slots and New Zealand can just help

1819
01:28:34,173 --> 01:28:35,412
Speaker 19: out by taking slots.

1820
01:28:35,532 --> 01:28:38,372
Speaker 2: Really, so so what you're saying, So what you're saying, Jacob,

1821
01:28:38,492 --> 01:28:40,053
Speaker 2: is that you go you talk to Australia and go,

1822
01:28:40,213 --> 01:28:42,932
Speaker 2: look what do you need? What what are what are

1823
01:28:42,933 --> 01:28:46,452
Speaker 2: the gaps that that are missing and that your air

1824
01:28:46,492 --> 01:28:49,133
Speaker 2: force needs that we can we can supply that, we

1825
01:28:49,173 --> 01:28:53,213
Speaker 2: can train our people for and and and deliver that

1826
01:28:53,933 --> 01:28:57,133
Speaker 2: and just outside of the strikeforce capt capacity.

1827
01:28:57,933 --> 01:29:01,652
Speaker 19: Some simplistic you know, simply Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that's

1828
01:29:01,732 --> 01:29:04,572
Speaker 19: that's pretty much what the summary is. Is that exactly,

1829
01:29:04,652 --> 01:29:08,092
Speaker 19: that that we can we can better support our partners

1830
01:29:08,133 --> 01:29:12,892
Speaker 19: with their gaps and what strengths we're already holding. It's

1831
01:29:13,013 --> 01:29:15,933
Speaker 19: expensive to run strike force and they don't get a

1832
01:29:15,973 --> 01:29:17,932
Speaker 19: lot of use here, you know. I mean, they're pretty

1833
01:29:17,973 --> 01:29:20,372
Speaker 19: fun to look at and make great noise.

1834
01:29:20,173 --> 01:29:20,253
Speaker 16: And.

1835
01:29:22,412 --> 01:29:25,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think it's we do enough? So you know,

1836
01:29:25,732 --> 01:29:27,372
Speaker 2: and I know that we we do a lot of

1837
01:29:27,412 --> 01:29:30,132
Speaker 2: work with our Hercules and we you know, our pilots

1838
01:29:30,173 --> 01:29:31,812
Speaker 2: go over and work in the Hercules divisions in the

1839
01:29:31,853 --> 01:29:35,293
Speaker 2: American Air Force and we help out. We can do

1840
01:29:35,412 --> 01:29:38,412
Speaker 2: you think that we currently do enough for our allies

1841
01:29:38,612 --> 01:29:43,932
Speaker 2: that if a need for a strikeforce came that they

1842
01:29:43,933 --> 01:29:45,532
Speaker 2: would they would they would come and help us.

1843
01:29:46,732 --> 01:29:46,932
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1844
01:29:46,973 --> 01:29:49,412
Speaker 19: Look, I think I'm going to say that we've got

1845
01:29:49,452 --> 01:29:55,972
Speaker 19: a very good reputation with our allies, and we've established

1846
01:29:56,053 --> 01:29:58,053
Speaker 19: that through the hard work and the efforts that we've

1847
01:29:58,093 --> 01:30:00,492
Speaker 19: put in, and so I would like to think that

1848
01:30:00,612 --> 01:30:02,932
Speaker 19: that would probably be on the cards, and they would

1849
01:30:03,013 --> 01:30:06,532
Speaker 19: they would understand that we don't have, you know, a

1850
01:30:06,692 --> 01:30:13,173
Speaker 19: force capability that that's going to you know, disrupt anything significantly.

1851
01:30:13,293 --> 01:30:16,213
Speaker 19: That's Yeah, that's what I think I would imagine the

1852
01:30:16,293 --> 01:30:18,812
Speaker 19: answer to that is, Yes, I think we're well regarded.

1853
01:30:19,053 --> 01:30:21,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we wouldn't be the only country, Jacob that

1854
01:30:22,452 --> 01:30:25,293
Speaker 3: clearly doesn't have the resources to be able to pump

1855
01:30:25,412 --> 01:30:28,173
Speaker 3: into you know, combat ready aircraft in this case, so

1856
01:30:28,612 --> 01:30:31,173
Speaker 3: fall back to more of a peacekeeping, an aid and

1857
01:30:31,293 --> 01:30:37,412
Speaker 3: transport capability when something big. Catham's yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1858
01:30:38,133 --> 01:30:41,333
Speaker 19: Look, you know, there are plenty of Pacific islands that

1859
01:30:41,893 --> 01:30:46,652
Speaker 19: have serious force, you know capability. FIGI is one fig

1860
01:30:46,812 --> 01:30:50,772
Speaker 19: and Army fantastic fighting force, a six foot four thousands

1861
01:30:50,812 --> 01:30:55,012
Speaker 19: of them. They go to all the time. Very very capable,

1862
01:30:55,173 --> 01:30:58,732
Speaker 19: but in the air space less though. So there are

1863
01:30:58,772 --> 01:31:02,173
Speaker 19: plenty of people in our idiot environment that don't have

1864
01:31:02,293 --> 01:31:06,413
Speaker 19: a full army, navy, air force, you know, attack capability,

1865
01:31:06,492 --> 01:31:07,893
Speaker 19: and we just happen to be one of them. And

1866
01:31:08,933 --> 01:31:11,492
Speaker 19: I reckon, you know, that's the future, is how do

1867
01:31:11,572 --> 01:31:14,772
Speaker 19: we all get along the best distribute and you know,

1868
01:31:15,133 --> 01:31:25,053
Speaker 19: maybe not even peacekeeping but just more really just yeah, yeah,

1869
01:31:25,133 --> 01:31:25,852
Speaker 19: filling the gaps.

1870
01:31:25,933 --> 01:31:29,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Jacob, I can see though from an Australian

1871
01:31:29,213 --> 01:31:32,892
Speaker 2: and an American perspective, that in nineteen eighty we've spent

1872
01:31:33,053 --> 01:31:38,253
Speaker 2: three percent of our gest GPD GDP sorry on on

1873
01:31:38,412 --> 01:31:40,692
Speaker 2: our defense and now it's all the way down to

1874
01:31:41,053 --> 01:31:43,972
Speaker 2: nearly one percent. So do you think that they might

1875
01:31:44,053 --> 01:31:46,133
Speaker 2: look at that and go, well, you know, you're helping

1876
01:31:46,213 --> 01:31:48,372
Speaker 2: us out a little bit here, you're filling in some gaps,

1877
01:31:48,532 --> 01:31:51,693
Speaker 2: you're you're you know, being friendly, and you're offering some logistics.

1878
01:31:52,173 --> 01:31:55,133
Speaker 2: But as a percentage of your GDP, are you really

1879
01:31:55,253 --> 01:31:57,572
Speaker 2: doing your bet best for security in the area.

1880
01:31:59,133 --> 01:32:02,812
Speaker 19: I wonder if that's really a thing outside of America

1881
01:32:03,492 --> 01:32:07,253
Speaker 19: where Donald Trump is sort of a huge GDP, isn't

1882
01:32:07,253 --> 01:32:10,532
Speaker 19: he He's all about the how much you're putting into

1883
01:32:10,652 --> 01:32:12,732
Speaker 19: NATO and all of that. I'm not quite sure if

1884
01:32:12,772 --> 01:32:17,733
Speaker 19: that allies really do compare what we put in financially

1885
01:32:17,933 --> 01:32:21,653
Speaker 19: to the effort that we give them logistically and practically.

1886
01:32:22,013 --> 01:32:23,093
Speaker 19: I'm not quite sure if well.

1887
01:32:23,133 --> 01:32:26,492
Speaker 2: I think Australian Australian politicians have brought it up before

1888
01:32:26,692 --> 01:32:29,732
Speaker 2: and said that they're they're carrying us in the past,

1889
01:32:29,853 --> 01:32:30,933
Speaker 2: but a sort of.

1890
01:32:30,933 --> 01:32:33,293
Speaker 19: A popularist way of angling it, isn't it to a

1891
01:32:33,372 --> 01:32:36,532
Speaker 19: small country to be like us saying to cook Islands, gee,

1892
01:32:36,572 --> 01:32:40,133
Speaker 19: you don't put much GDP into your bloody Well.

1893
01:32:40,532 --> 01:32:43,452
Speaker 2: It's a percentage though, isn't it. So it's a you know,

1894
01:32:43,492 --> 01:32:46,852
Speaker 2: if you're a nation with a smaller GDP, then you're

1895
01:32:46,853 --> 01:32:48,732
Speaker 2: going to be putting them again. So if you're sat

1896
01:32:48,853 --> 01:32:51,492
Speaker 2: like so, it's quite a lot to drop from two.

1897
01:32:52,253 --> 01:32:54,213
Speaker 2: Basically we're down to a third of what we were

1898
01:32:54,253 --> 01:32:58,772
Speaker 2: spending on our defense force just you know, in nineteen eighty.

1899
01:32:58,612 --> 01:33:02,412
Speaker 19: So you know, ago, Look, I think the other way

1900
01:33:02,492 --> 01:33:05,492
Speaker 19: that the defense force is running is really being more

1901
01:33:05,572 --> 01:33:09,852
Speaker 19: trans more transparent, more accountable financially. So what that means

1902
01:33:09,973 --> 01:33:13,572
Speaker 19: is I think fundamentally trying to do more with less,

1903
01:33:14,293 --> 01:33:18,052
Speaker 19: and that has a great benefit to the New Zealand

1904
01:33:18,093 --> 01:33:24,372
Speaker 19: taxpayer and probably doesn't look as good to the It

1905
01:33:24,452 --> 01:33:26,812
Speaker 19: actually is really good brush, So I don't see as

1906
01:33:26,853 --> 01:33:30,612
Speaker 19: having a reduction. And you know, like if we didn't

1907
01:33:30,612 --> 01:33:32,852
Speaker 19: have a strike force, is it not necessarily you know,

1908
01:33:33,053 --> 01:33:39,412
Speaker 19: a reduction in GDP percentage to where we can matter most.

1909
01:33:39,652 --> 01:33:42,133
Speaker 19: I mean, and I'm not a politician, and I'm not

1910
01:33:42,333 --> 01:33:45,852
Speaker 19: really you know, trying to make us look great. I

1911
01:33:46,013 --> 01:33:48,973
Speaker 19: just feel like there is a lot of angling on

1912
01:33:49,612 --> 01:33:54,253
Speaker 19: how we could have a really good stripe force, but

1913
01:33:54,452 --> 01:33:58,133
Speaker 19: realistically it's kind of never really got used, so it's

1914
01:33:58,492 --> 01:33:59,932
Speaker 19: very expensive to maintain.

1915
01:34:00,333 --> 01:34:02,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jacob, thank you very much. Some great points. So

1916
01:34:02,933 --> 01:34:05,213
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1917
01:34:05,293 --> 01:34:08,253
Speaker 3: Nine two ninety two is the text. Do you think

1918
01:34:08,372 --> 01:34:10,372
Speaker 3: we need to put more investment into our air force?

1919
01:34:10,452 --> 01:34:12,333
Speaker 3: Love to hear from you. It is twenty four past

1920
01:34:12,372 --> 01:34:12,732
Speaker 3: three to.

1921
01:34:12,893 --> 01:34:14,492
Speaker 2: One of the coolest things we have is our NH

1922
01:34:14,612 --> 01:34:15,493
Speaker 2: ninety helicopters.

1923
01:34:16,133 --> 01:34:17,772
Speaker 5: They are they are very cool.

1924
01:34:17,853 --> 01:34:20,732
Speaker 3: I've just looked them up. They are twenty aren't.

1925
01:34:20,492 --> 01:34:22,612
Speaker 2: They twenty meters? They're much bigger than you think they

1926
01:34:22,612 --> 01:34:26,092
Speaker 2: would be, and you know they can carry eighteen passages.

1927
01:34:26,372 --> 01:34:28,532
Speaker 2: We do have some pretty cool kit in the Air Force,

1928
01:34:28,652 --> 01:34:31,412
Speaker 2: but I would argue we need more and cooler kit.

1929
01:34:31,612 --> 01:34:33,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, what did you say, though? I One hundred and

1930
01:34:34,013 --> 01:34:35,612
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call twenty five

1931
01:34:35,612 --> 01:34:41,293
Speaker 3: past three, Matt.

1932
01:34:41,333 --> 01:34:44,452
Speaker 1: Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh, eight hundred and

1933
01:34:44,492 --> 01:34:46,492
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on US talks EDB.

1934
01:34:47,093 --> 01:34:49,772
Speaker 3: News Talk ZEDB nine two nine two is the teach number.

1935
01:34:49,812 --> 01:34:51,052
Speaker 3: Some great teachs coming through.

1936
01:34:51,772 --> 01:34:55,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Matt and Tyler, Oh, here we go, Sorry, Matt.

1937
01:34:56,053 --> 01:34:58,932
Speaker 2: Defenses like insurance. It is expensive, but way cheaper than

1938
01:34:58,973 --> 01:35:02,812
Speaker 2: the alternative. Ossie's needs may well have moved by. But

1939
01:35:02,973 --> 01:35:05,133
Speaker 2: what was if six things from New Zealand? Perhaps the

1940
01:35:05,452 --> 01:35:07,053
Speaker 2: sixteen V dot l K.

1941
01:35:07,452 --> 01:35:09,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, going cheap at the moment when a

1942
01:35:09,893 --> 01:35:12,213
Speaker 3: couple one hundred mil for one of those Craig how

1943
01:35:12,253 --> 01:35:12,412
Speaker 3: are you?

1944
01:35:13,772 --> 01:35:13,972
Speaker 14: Yeah?

1945
01:35:14,053 --> 01:35:16,893
Speaker 6: Good? Hey, we do need to have our defense expenditure.

1946
01:35:17,013 --> 01:35:19,572
Speaker 6: You know, we can't rely on America all the time

1947
01:35:19,652 --> 01:35:22,612
Speaker 6: and theyn't get more hard nosed, and the Australians have

1948
01:35:22,732 --> 01:35:25,053
Speaker 6: seen us as free loaders. We can't spend like what

1949
01:35:25,213 --> 01:35:27,372
Speaker 6: they do, but we do have to up the anty

1950
01:35:27,452 --> 01:35:29,293
Speaker 6: of that because as you know, there's no such thing

1951
01:35:29,293 --> 01:35:31,732
Speaker 6: as a free lunch. There's the elephant in the room

1952
01:35:31,933 --> 01:35:36,173
Speaker 6: in the Pacific, which is China. And regarding the Skyhawks,

1953
01:35:36,173 --> 01:35:38,333
Speaker 6: there's a great book written about them called Top Gun

1954
01:35:38,412 --> 01:35:41,852
Speaker 6: Recruit for the Skyhawks Where to develop the program Here

1955
01:35:41,973 --> 01:35:46,732
Speaker 6: Carol Keewy and Unity called CARHO and they're updated the

1956
01:35:46,812 --> 01:35:49,013
Speaker 6: Avilits and the Skyhawks and they're on a part of

1957
01:35:49,093 --> 01:35:53,372
Speaker 6: the F sixteens and then exercises with the Senaporeans and Ausies.

1958
01:35:53,412 --> 01:35:56,333
Speaker 6: They held their own. We're actually offered twenty eight S

1959
01:35:56,412 --> 01:36:00,812
Speaker 6: sixteens by Bill Clinton at bargain basement prices, but when

1960
01:36:00,893 --> 01:36:04,372
Speaker 6: Helen Clark was elected, it's antimoritory. She turned them down

1961
01:36:04,452 --> 01:36:07,612
Speaker 6: and boised the strike one. To re establish that now

1962
01:36:08,412 --> 01:36:10,652
Speaker 6: of the engineering in the backup would take quite a bit.

1963
01:36:11,293 --> 01:36:13,853
Speaker 6: We do need to do something, guys there. We'll get missiles,

1964
01:36:15,572 --> 01:36:19,093
Speaker 6: all drones. We've got to fill upon our weight.

1965
01:36:19,213 --> 01:36:22,732
Speaker 2: You know, you talk about pulling awake Greg because we

1966
01:36:23,053 --> 01:36:25,093
Speaker 2: would we ever be able to spend the kind of

1967
01:36:25,173 --> 01:36:27,692
Speaker 2: money that would give us the strikeforce some and you

1968
01:36:27,772 --> 01:36:31,372
Speaker 2: talk about China or any potential conflict, and I'm not

1969
01:36:31,452 --> 01:36:33,932
Speaker 2: saying that that's likely or not where we would ever

1970
01:36:34,053 --> 01:36:35,492
Speaker 2: be able to spend the kind of money that we

1971
01:36:35,532 --> 01:36:37,852
Speaker 2: could defend ourselves on our own.

1972
01:36:39,812 --> 01:36:42,132
Speaker 6: No, we'd have to do it in conjunction with our allies.

1973
01:36:42,213 --> 01:36:44,492
Speaker 6: I mean, I was told what we used to spend

1974
01:36:44,532 --> 01:36:46,932
Speaker 6: on the Skyhawks in the year. We spend every three

1975
01:36:47,053 --> 01:36:50,213
Speaker 6: days on welfare. And when they abolished, and the Assies

1976
01:36:50,213 --> 01:36:52,333
Speaker 6: were pleading with us to even off of the help,

1977
01:36:52,372 --> 01:36:55,053
Speaker 6: they had some an hour over there, they had some

1978
01:36:55,293 --> 01:36:59,213
Speaker 6: terminally stationed there, and the ass were pleading with us

1979
01:36:59,293 --> 01:37:01,372
Speaker 6: not to get rid of them. But Clark was determined

1980
01:37:01,372 --> 01:37:03,053
Speaker 6: one way or the other to get rid of them.

1981
01:37:03,772 --> 01:37:07,213
Speaker 6: And that was, you know, made us go down in

1982
01:37:07,253 --> 01:37:10,333
Speaker 6: the eyes of the Ouries. You know, they know that

1983
01:37:10,412 --> 01:37:12,612
Speaker 6: we can't spend the money they have. We haven't got

1984
01:37:12,692 --> 01:37:15,293
Speaker 6: the population, but we've just kind of they seemed to

1985
01:37:15,333 --> 01:37:21,293
Speaker 6: pull our weight our GDP on the it's a dangerous

1986
01:37:21,333 --> 01:37:21,852
Speaker 6: world out.

1987
01:37:21,772 --> 01:37:25,013
Speaker 2: The area from that we're on we're on I think

1988
01:37:25,013 --> 01:37:27,213
Speaker 2: we're on one point two percent. Yeah, I think we

1989
01:37:27,333 --> 01:37:28,412
Speaker 2: might even be lower than that now.

1990
01:37:28,412 --> 01:37:30,452
Speaker 3: I think it was under a percent, wasn't it. We

1991
01:37:30,492 --> 01:37:32,333
Speaker 3: looked this up last year and I believe it was

1992
01:37:32,452 --> 01:37:32,812
Speaker 3: eric point.

1993
01:37:33,173 --> 01:37:36,692
Speaker 2: We've recently had some cuts as well so, and of

1994
01:37:36,812 --> 01:37:40,013
Speaker 2: course we lost them mon Anui, so any savings we

1995
01:37:40,133 --> 01:37:44,372
Speaker 2: made we lost. So yeah, I mean Jacob before was

1996
01:37:44,412 --> 01:37:46,812
Speaker 2: saying that that that that the GDP's in American way

1997
01:37:46,853 --> 01:37:47,933
Speaker 2: of looking at it, but I think it's aso an

1998
01:37:47,933 --> 01:37:50,692
Speaker 2: Australian way of looking at it, isn't it. They go, well,

1999
01:37:50,732 --> 01:37:52,412
Speaker 2: you're only spending this much and we haven't to spend

2000
01:37:52,492 --> 01:37:55,133
Speaker 2: that much. That there is there is a balance that

2001
01:37:55,213 --> 01:37:58,213
Speaker 2: people make in their minds because they are sovereign nations

2002
01:37:58,253 --> 01:38:00,412
Speaker 2: are on their own right. They don't actually owe us

2003
01:38:00,492 --> 01:38:03,213
Speaker 2: to protect us in any way, shape a form, and

2004
01:38:03,293 --> 01:38:05,532
Speaker 2: you can imagine a situation politically where they go, well,

2005
01:38:05,572 --> 01:38:07,572
Speaker 2: they didn't do it, they didn't look after themselves, so

2006
01:38:08,372 --> 01:38:09,253
Speaker 2: why should we help them?

2007
01:38:09,372 --> 01:38:12,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, great, we'll just digress.

2008
01:38:12,452 --> 01:38:14,812
Speaker 6: They were just digress in the old anti nuclear thing

2009
01:38:15,173 --> 01:38:17,452
Speaker 6: that really got us off side with patch things up

2010
01:38:17,492 --> 01:38:20,053
Speaker 6: with the Americans. And as much as people like to

2011
01:38:20,133 --> 01:38:22,093
Speaker 6: beg and the other ones would run through cap and

2012
01:38:22,173 --> 01:38:24,053
Speaker 6: hand for help with so you know what, it's the

2013
01:38:24,173 --> 01:38:24,892
Speaker 6: fan one't they.

2014
01:38:25,133 --> 01:38:29,012
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Just going back to the Skyhawks, because

2015
01:38:29,053 --> 01:38:32,333
Speaker 3: I was a little bit too young to remember whether

2016
01:38:32,412 --> 01:38:35,172
Speaker 3: there was much pushback from the public, was there, Gregor

2017
01:38:35,293 --> 01:38:37,173
Speaker 3: was there quite a bit of acceptance that.

2018
01:38:38,612 --> 01:38:40,013
Speaker 6: There was a hell of a prospect. There was a

2019
01:38:40,053 --> 01:38:42,852
Speaker 6: petition launched in the paper and I signed it along

2020
01:38:42,893 --> 01:38:46,212
Speaker 6: with many others, and people played it with the government.

2021
01:38:46,293 --> 01:38:49,053
Speaker 6: You know, it's not because you had all the engineering

2022
01:38:49,133 --> 01:38:51,732
Speaker 6: and maintenance that went with them. And those people eventually

2023
01:38:51,853 --> 01:38:54,732
Speaker 6: end up in Ciby Street, and you know, that's where

2024
01:38:54,732 --> 01:38:56,133
Speaker 6: a lot of people end up. And it was a

2025
01:38:56,173 --> 01:38:58,452
Speaker 6: great thing for in New Zealand and for the country

2026
01:38:58,532 --> 01:39:01,372
Speaker 6: in general. And as I said, car Who was an

2027
01:39:01,372 --> 01:39:05,293
Speaker 6: amazing program. Good on kewe know here and you know

2028
01:39:05,612 --> 01:39:07,932
Speaker 6: we developed that hair and it was a great thing.

2029
01:39:08,013 --> 01:39:10,532
Speaker 6: And those Skyhawks do you remember they put them into

2030
01:39:10,652 --> 01:39:13,253
Speaker 6: storage because the Americans wouldn't allow them to be sold.

2031
01:39:13,893 --> 01:39:16,173
Speaker 6: And what they spend on storage, I mean, it was

2032
01:39:16,253 --> 01:39:19,772
Speaker 6: just ridiculous. And the Israelis and other ear forces have

2033
01:39:19,853 --> 01:39:22,972
Speaker 6: still gotten them. They're a great replaying the ground attack playing.

2034
01:39:23,853 --> 01:39:27,893
Speaker 6: They did a wonderful shot and our allies would have

2035
01:39:28,253 --> 01:39:31,092
Speaker 6: probably helped us, you know, with a bit of monetary

2036
01:39:31,133 --> 01:39:33,093
Speaker 6: assistance if we needed it. I'm sure.

2037
01:39:33,893 --> 01:39:37,213
Speaker 3: Great. Yeah, you make make some great points. And it

2038
01:39:37,372 --> 01:39:40,452
Speaker 3: was a little bit devious, wasn't it. Of Helen Clark

2039
01:39:40,492 --> 01:39:43,692
Speaker 3: at the time that from my understanding corectly if I'm wrong,

2040
01:39:43,853 --> 01:39:47,093
Speaker 3: but the idea of mothballing them was that there's a

2041
01:39:47,173 --> 01:39:49,732
Speaker 3: potential that they may come back, that we may find

2042
01:39:50,652 --> 01:39:53,812
Speaker 3: that we find the money there or the funding there

2043
01:39:53,933 --> 01:39:56,532
Speaker 3: to bring them back into service. And of course that

2044
01:39:56,732 --> 01:39:59,372
Speaker 3: was never part of the plant. It was always a

2045
01:39:59,532 --> 01:40:02,213
Speaker 3: slow mothballing. And you can't they can't be sold, and

2046
01:40:02,293 --> 01:40:04,212
Speaker 3: eventually they'll just end up in museum's.

2047
01:40:05,572 --> 01:40:05,772
Speaker 16: Yeah.

2048
01:40:05,812 --> 01:40:07,892
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I don't told you when they come

2049
01:40:07,933 --> 01:40:11,173
Speaker 6: out here nineteen seventy or early seventies, when they're brought

2050
01:40:11,213 --> 01:40:14,012
Speaker 6: here without having correct fashion. She was on the people

2051
01:40:14,013 --> 01:40:17,572
Speaker 6: who've got our protests against her, and I'm told I

2052
01:40:17,612 --> 01:40:19,532
Speaker 6: don't know how to see her. She said, I'm going

2053
01:40:19,572 --> 01:40:21,452
Speaker 6: to get rid of you one day, and sure enough

2054
01:40:21,572 --> 01:40:21,892
Speaker 6: she did.

2055
01:40:22,213 --> 01:40:22,412
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2056
01:40:22,933 --> 01:40:24,932
Speaker 3: Greg, always good to chat mate. Thank you very much

2057
01:40:24,973 --> 01:40:25,772
Speaker 3: for giving us a buzz.

2058
01:40:26,372 --> 01:40:29,772
Speaker 2: So I think that they're Our defense spending is between

2059
01:40:30,253 --> 01:40:33,852
Speaker 2: zero point eight and zero point nine percent of GDP,

2060
01:40:34,452 --> 01:40:38,572
Speaker 2: whereas Australia is increasing their defense budget to two point

2061
01:40:38,612 --> 01:40:41,093
Speaker 2: four of their GDP, and obviously their GDP is far

2062
01:40:41,452 --> 01:40:44,932
Speaker 2: far larger than ours, So that seems out of all

2063
01:40:45,013 --> 01:40:47,732
Speaker 2: the things you have to do as a government, defense

2064
01:40:48,853 --> 01:40:51,692
Speaker 2: is a huge part of it. And to only be

2065
01:40:51,732 --> 01:40:53,972
Speaker 2: spending that much money, and it's one of those things

2066
01:40:54,013 --> 01:40:55,732
Speaker 2: because people will go, what will you take it away from?

2067
01:40:55,732 --> 01:40:57,852
Speaker 2: Because we don't seem to be able to afford our health,

2068
01:40:58,692 --> 01:41:04,412
Speaker 2: or our education or our superinnuation. So and just because

2069
01:41:04,412 --> 01:41:08,092
Speaker 2: there's no in inanimate oh my god, I can't speak

2070
01:41:08,093 --> 01:41:12,972
Speaker 2: today imminent threat, well, we perceive that there isn't. It's

2071
01:41:13,093 --> 01:41:15,133
Speaker 2: very hard to move that money into it. But you've

2072
01:41:15,133 --> 01:41:18,772
Speaker 2: got it as a nation, don't you have to defend yourself.

2073
01:41:18,893 --> 01:41:21,612
Speaker 2: Isn't that one of the key parts of being a nation.

2074
01:41:21,853 --> 01:41:23,812
Speaker 3: I always thought the measure of NATOON. I know we're

2075
01:41:23,893 --> 01:41:27,572
Speaker 3: not part of of NATO, but the part of that

2076
01:41:27,772 --> 01:41:31,133
Speaker 3: deal is that those member countries should hit at least

2077
01:41:31,213 --> 01:41:35,412
Speaker 3: two percent of their GDP spent on on military. And

2078
01:41:35,772 --> 01:41:39,972
Speaker 3: I believe that only three or four of those thirty

2079
01:41:40,093 --> 01:41:42,932
Speaker 3: members reached that level of two percent, but I think

2080
01:41:42,973 --> 01:41:45,333
Speaker 3: that's a good number. And we have allies around the

2081
01:41:45,372 --> 01:41:49,333
Speaker 3: world right and as a member of the Five Eyes,

2082
01:41:49,532 --> 01:41:52,852
Speaker 3: and as a member of the Pack with Canada, United States,

2083
01:41:52,933 --> 01:41:54,772
Speaker 3: the UK and Australia, we should be up and we

2084
01:41:54,812 --> 01:41:57,133
Speaker 3: should be matching that two percent. That's kind of part

2085
01:41:57,133 --> 01:41:57,452
Speaker 3: of our.

2086
01:41:57,612 --> 01:42:00,532
Speaker 2: Role, right, Yeah, this Texas says Matt and Tyler that

2087
01:42:00,732 --> 01:42:03,412
Speaker 2: the Americans would never let any evading force get a

2088
01:42:03,452 --> 01:42:06,412
Speaker 2: foothold in the Pacific, so an attack force not required.

2089
01:42:06,652 --> 01:42:11,093
Speaker 2: There's no stomach in a country for spending on defense. Craig, Well,

2090
01:42:11,452 --> 01:42:14,572
Speaker 2: I don't know, a lot of crazy stuff's happened in

2091
01:42:14,612 --> 01:42:17,333
Speaker 2: this world, and a lot of alliances have changed, and

2092
01:42:17,732 --> 01:42:21,452
Speaker 2: I can foresee I can imagine America going, well, what

2093
01:42:21,572 --> 01:42:22,492
Speaker 2: have they done for us lately?

2094
01:42:22,572 --> 01:42:26,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, your famous last words, Creig, it is twenty five

2095
01:42:26,253 --> 01:42:28,492
Speaker 3: to four. I will get more of more of your

2096
01:42:28,492 --> 01:42:31,333
Speaker 3: phone calls very shortly. Great debut companies. Always you're listening

2097
01:42:31,372 --> 01:42:32,212
Speaker 3: to Matt and Tyler.

2098
01:42:34,853 --> 01:42:38,532
Speaker 12: Jus talk said, be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's

2099
01:42:38,612 --> 01:42:41,772
Speaker 12: no trouble with a blue bubble. Labor leader Chris Hopkins

2100
01:42:41,812 --> 01:42:45,212
Speaker 12: says the Prime Minister should reprimand Shane Jones for threatening

2101
01:42:45,293 --> 01:42:49,772
Speaker 12: funding for White Tangy, calling it intimidation. Jones criticized the

2102
01:42:49,812 --> 01:42:53,132
Speaker 12: White Tonguy Trust over protest action during a speech today

2103
01:42:53,213 --> 01:42:57,612
Speaker 12: by as leader whose controversial Treaty Principles Bill has caused

2104
01:42:57,652 --> 01:43:02,652
Speaker 12: widespread dissent. A climbing unemployment rate, which reached five point

2105
01:43:02,772 --> 01:43:05,532
Speaker 12: one percent in the last quarter, is being blamed on

2106
01:43:05,652 --> 01:43:10,892
Speaker 12: the slow recovery Westpak A slow economy, I should have said.

2107
01:43:11,053 --> 01:43:14,932
Speaker 12: Westpac anz is cutting its advertised three year special home

2108
01:43:15,053 --> 01:43:19,333
Speaker 12: loan rate to four point ninety nine percent. A pedestrian

2109
01:43:19,452 --> 01:43:23,453
Speaker 12: seriously injured after a crash involving a truck in Auckland's

2110
01:43:23,492 --> 01:43:27,052
Speaker 12: Parnell and motorists to being worn. The Busy Strand traffic

2111
01:43:27,173 --> 01:43:31,812
Speaker 12: corridor will be disrupted this afternoon. Armed police have cordoned

2112
01:43:31,853 --> 01:43:36,772
Speaker 12: off Tooki Tooki Tuok Street in Auckland's Waterview. They are

2113
01:43:36,893 --> 01:43:40,612
Speaker 12: advising people to stay away. Great North Road is still open.

2114
01:43:41,333 --> 01:43:44,492
Speaker 12: Greenhouse gas emissions fell zero point seven percent in the

2115
01:43:44,572 --> 01:43:48,253
Speaker 12: three months to last September. Gregor Paul on how the

2116
01:43:48,333 --> 01:43:52,293
Speaker 12: all Blacks Hukker controversy reveals a deeper unity issue. You

2117
01:43:52,372 --> 01:43:55,612
Speaker 12: can see his full column at zat Heral Premium. Back

2118
01:43:55,652 --> 01:43:57,012
Speaker 12: to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

2119
01:43:57,133 --> 01:43:59,053
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we're talking about our

2120
01:43:59,093 --> 01:44:01,412
Speaker 3: air forces. Is on the back of the farewell to

2121
01:44:01,492 --> 01:44:05,093
Speaker 3: the C one thirty h Hercule. Beautiful aircraft been in

2122
01:44:05,213 --> 01:44:08,253
Speaker 3: operation for sixty years, but there are some new who

2123
01:44:08,333 --> 01:44:12,133
Speaker 3: alles that have been purchased by the government. But it

2124
01:44:12,253 --> 01:44:15,053
Speaker 3: had us talking about our investment into our air force,

2125
01:44:15,133 --> 01:44:18,852
Speaker 3: and ever since the Skyhawks were mothballed, we haven't really

2126
01:44:19,093 --> 01:44:22,492
Speaker 3: had a combat ready aircraft as part of our air force.

2127
01:44:22,692 --> 01:44:26,532
Speaker 3: Arguably those beautiful helicopters what is at the Inn in

2128
01:44:26,652 --> 01:44:29,973
Speaker 3: age nineties. Yeah, they are beasts of helicopters, aren't they.

2129
01:44:30,133 --> 01:44:31,732
Speaker 2: Yeah they are. I mean they do have some of

2130
01:44:31,772 --> 01:44:36,212
Speaker 2: their upkeeping maintenance issues, but they're very very cool choppers

2131
01:44:36,893 --> 01:44:39,133
Speaker 2: if you ask me. And I don't know all of

2132
01:44:39,173 --> 01:44:42,213
Speaker 2: a lot about choppers, but I flew the Air Force

2133
01:44:42,253 --> 01:44:45,492
Speaker 2: simulator one of them, and well I did pretty well actually,

2134
01:44:45,853 --> 01:44:48,253
Speaker 2: but then I shredded some people in the Caketon and

2135
01:44:48,293 --> 01:44:50,572
Speaker 2: Wellington because I decided to fly out over Wellington and

2136
01:44:50,853 --> 01:44:54,893
Speaker 2: they've got in there in their simulator. They've got the

2137
01:44:54,933 --> 01:44:56,452
Speaker 2: whole of New Zealand so you can fly around. So

2138
01:44:56,492 --> 01:44:58,213
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, I'll try and land in a stadium.

2139
01:44:58,772 --> 01:45:01,452
Speaker 2: Landed in WISPEC Stadium and shredded some people in the

2140
01:45:01,492 --> 01:45:02,132
Speaker 2: crowd because.

2141
01:45:02,572 --> 01:45:06,173
Speaker 3: Well was it cut off from failed to pass if

2142
01:45:06,253 --> 01:45:07,252
Speaker 3: you take out maybe.

2143
01:45:08,412 --> 01:45:11,093
Speaker 2: Failed for reckless flying. But also I forgot that those

2144
01:45:11,253 --> 01:45:14,692
Speaker 2: helicopters are twenty meters long. Yeah, so I forgot about

2145
01:45:14,692 --> 01:45:15,293
Speaker 2: the art the end of it.

2146
01:45:15,452 --> 01:45:16,492
Speaker 3: It's a trick for new players.

2147
01:45:16,692 --> 01:45:19,293
Speaker 2: I got, I got it down. Just treated some people.

2148
01:45:20,053 --> 01:45:21,133
Speaker 3: Morris, how are you mate?

2149
01:45:22,013 --> 01:45:25,093
Speaker 4: Yeah, guys, here are interesting conversation here. We definitely need

2150
01:45:25,213 --> 01:45:31,652
Speaker 4: to lift our game because we need to get in

2151
01:45:31,732 --> 01:45:34,093
Speaker 4: bed with Australia. And the guys said earlier, we need

2152
01:45:34,173 --> 01:45:36,772
Speaker 4: to speak to them and say, you know, what can

2153
01:45:36,812 --> 01:45:39,852
Speaker 4: we do to support you and have like a once

2154
01:45:39,893 --> 01:45:43,893
Speaker 4: again at Anzac battalion or something, because I'll tell you what.

2155
01:45:45,772 --> 01:45:50,852
Speaker 4: You know, China's coming down slowly but surely down, you

2156
01:45:50,893 --> 01:45:53,053
Speaker 4: know in the Pacific. You know, the guys said, oh,

2157
01:45:53,333 --> 01:45:55,412
Speaker 4: you know, they won't come down here whether they're already

2158
01:45:55,893 --> 01:45:58,253
Speaker 4: you know, trying to build bases up in New Guinea

2159
01:45:58,333 --> 01:46:02,852
Speaker 4: and the Philippines. You know, got the military base here

2160
01:46:02,853 --> 01:46:05,813
Speaker 4: at the ends. But they have in trouble with their fisheries.

2161
01:46:06,372 --> 01:46:10,053
Speaker 4: My theory is this, you know, they might come down

2162
01:46:10,253 --> 01:46:13,173
Speaker 4: in a wall foding, but what would we do if

2163
01:46:13,213 --> 01:46:16,532
Speaker 4: one hundred of their big commercial fishing boats come down

2164
01:46:16,612 --> 01:46:20,412
Speaker 4: here with the coast Guard, which is basically their navy

2165
01:46:21,013 --> 01:46:23,452
Speaker 4: and started fishing in our orders. What could we do?

2166
01:46:24,572 --> 01:46:25,732
Speaker 4: We don't even have a navy.

2167
01:46:26,093 --> 01:46:29,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean there's some talk that maybe away

2168
01:46:29,772 --> 01:46:32,412
Speaker 2: what we could do is invest more in drones, because

2169
01:46:32,532 --> 01:46:37,252
Speaker 2: there's the drones are a cheaper way to police your oceans.

2170
01:46:37,652 --> 01:46:39,892
Speaker 2: But there doesn't seem to be any sort of commitment

2171
01:46:39,933 --> 01:46:40,732
Speaker 2: towards that.

2172
01:46:40,893 --> 01:46:42,572
Speaker 3: Either you need you need a bit of a stick

2173
01:46:42,612 --> 01:46:44,652
Speaker 3: to wave, don't you, or at least backing from a

2174
01:46:44,692 --> 01:46:47,092
Speaker 3: country that does have a big stick. But the Japanese,

2175
01:46:47,133 --> 01:46:49,572
Speaker 3: for example, when they were in our waters whaling, there

2176
01:46:49,652 --> 01:46:52,253
Speaker 3: was a huge thing and there wasn't too much we

2177
01:46:52,372 --> 01:46:54,812
Speaker 3: could do. We'd tried, but Japan said, we hear you,

2178
01:46:55,053 --> 01:46:56,492
Speaker 3: and we don't care. We're going to take you away.

2179
01:46:56,492 --> 01:46:58,652
Speaker 2: We can send out Augland transplant parking enforcement.

2180
01:47:00,893 --> 01:47:03,173
Speaker 4: What would we do? What we do China send down

2181
01:47:03,213 --> 01:47:07,093
Speaker 4: one hundred commercial fishing boats down here with the coastguards.

2182
01:47:07,412 --> 01:47:08,372
Speaker 4: That basically.

2183
01:47:12,572 --> 01:47:14,492
Speaker 2: Very little, very little we could do, you know, And

2184
01:47:14,572 --> 01:47:16,892
Speaker 2: we've got you know, our navy. We've just lost a ship.

2185
01:47:17,253 --> 01:47:20,293
Speaker 2: But you know, well, you know we've got we've got

2186
01:47:20,333 --> 01:47:22,932
Speaker 2: some ships, one one down recently. I think we lost

2187
01:47:22,973 --> 01:47:27,293
Speaker 2: eleven percent of around our navy. But yeah, I mean

2188
01:47:27,333 --> 01:47:30,933
Speaker 2: the amount of coastline and the amount of water that

2189
01:47:31,013 --> 01:47:33,412
Speaker 2: we have to protect with what we've got is it's

2190
01:47:33,492 --> 01:47:35,972
Speaker 2: not even it's not even possible.

2191
01:47:36,213 --> 01:47:40,452
Speaker 4: But but you know, maybe drones of the way hope

2192
01:47:41,253 --> 01:47:44,572
Speaker 4: has been in step with Australia. Yeah, you've got too

2193
01:47:44,652 --> 01:47:46,053
Speaker 4: much on the plate story about it.

2194
01:47:46,293 --> 01:47:48,293
Speaker 2: But can you mention a situation Morris though, where we

2195
01:47:48,412 --> 01:47:50,333
Speaker 2: hand over because I think the problem that we have

2196
01:47:50,532 --> 01:47:53,492
Speaker 2: with that is if we just get in lockstep with

2197
01:47:53,572 --> 01:47:56,492
Speaker 2: the Australian military and hand then what they want, then

2198
01:47:56,572 --> 01:48:01,852
Speaker 2: we're kind of handing over our international operations to another government.

2199
01:48:02,133 --> 01:48:04,372
Speaker 2: So whatever they have to do or they want to do,

2200
01:48:04,492 --> 01:48:08,092
Speaker 2: we have to do which and we had very different countries.

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01:48:08,173 --> 01:48:11,293
Speaker 3: So if some nutcase gets into the Australian government and decides,

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01:48:11,372 --> 01:48:13,333
Speaker 3: you know what, I've really had enough of China, let's go,

2203
01:48:13,652 --> 01:48:14,612
Speaker 3: we're in We're.

2204
01:48:16,612 --> 01:48:20,253
Speaker 4: Morris, No, what I mean, not so much, you know

2205
01:48:20,532 --> 01:48:23,412
Speaker 4: that way, that's too extreme, But I mean, least have

2206
01:48:23,532 --> 01:48:26,932
Speaker 4: the same equipment and the same types of military car

2207
01:48:27,133 --> 01:48:28,732
Speaker 4: for the same type of Yeah.

2208
01:48:28,893 --> 01:48:31,133
Speaker 2: So stuff slots in together so it fits in with

2209
01:48:31,213 --> 01:48:33,652
Speaker 2: what they're doing. Yet, Hey, thank you for you call. Morris.

2210
01:48:34,133 --> 01:48:38,213
Speaker 2: I appreciate that this textas says, what do you mean though, straightforce?

2211
01:48:38,253 --> 01:48:41,213
Speaker 2: We've got a chipmunk and three tiger moths here at Wanaka,

2212
01:48:41,612 --> 01:48:45,173
Speaker 2: and there's an M fourteen spit at Omakah and Peter

2213
01:48:45,333 --> 01:48:48,492
Speaker 2: Jackson has two Fokker triplanes. We're ready, boys, bring it on.

2214
01:48:48,933 --> 01:48:50,572
Speaker 3: That would really stitch them up if they had the

2215
01:48:50,692 --> 01:48:53,013
Speaker 3: F sixteens and we bring the old boys back. I mean,

2216
01:48:53,053 --> 01:48:55,412
Speaker 3: what what are the F sixteens do? They're just scream

2217
01:48:55,532 --> 01:48:56,692
Speaker 3: past them.

2218
01:48:56,772 --> 01:48:59,093
Speaker 2: In terms of fleets, I think we've looked into this

2219
01:48:59,173 --> 01:49:01,013
Speaker 2: before in the show, and I think it goes in

2220
01:49:01,173 --> 01:49:04,652
Speaker 2: New Zealand, Peter Jackson the New Zealand Air Force in

2221
01:49:04,772 --> 01:49:07,572
Speaker 2: terms of number of planes. Although look, some of Peter

2222
01:49:07,692 --> 01:49:11,052
Speaker 2: Jackson's technology is a sort of bi wing which.

2223
01:49:11,532 --> 01:49:12,253
Speaker 3: We still might need.

2224
01:49:12,293 --> 01:49:12,612
Speaker 4: You beat.

2225
01:49:12,692 --> 01:49:15,612
Speaker 3: Don't go, don't go yet. Oh one hundred and eighty

2226
01:49:15,652 --> 01:49:17,812
Speaker 3: ten eighty is a number to call at sixteen to four.

2227
01:49:20,013 --> 01:49:22,412
Speaker 5: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

2228
01:49:22,452 --> 01:49:23,053
Speaker 5: along the way.

2229
01:49:23,333 --> 01:49:27,252
Speaker 1: Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo X eighty innovation,

2230
01:49:27,492 --> 01:49:30,372
Speaker 1: style and design, have it all youth talk said be.

2231
01:49:31,572 --> 01:49:34,333
Speaker 2: We've been talking about the retiring of our C one

2232
01:49:34,452 --> 01:49:37,093
Speaker 2: thirty hercules fleet it's been with us since for the

2233
01:49:37,173 --> 01:49:39,452
Speaker 2: last sixty years. Been replaced with the C one thirty

2234
01:49:39,532 --> 01:49:43,892
Speaker 2: J thirty hercules, which very cool vehicles, very cool vehicles.

2235
01:49:43,933 --> 01:49:46,772
Speaker 2: Do you call planes vehicles? Very cool? Aircraft's probably more

2236
01:49:47,053 --> 01:49:49,293
Speaker 2: are vehicles, but they are a better way to describe

2237
01:49:49,293 --> 01:49:49,692
Speaker 2: a beat.

2238
01:49:49,572 --> 01:49:51,652
Speaker 3: What they call them a vehicle.

2239
01:49:51,652 --> 01:49:53,692
Speaker 2: I'm going to a lot of tested. I've lost ability

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01:49:53,732 --> 01:49:55,853
Speaker 2: to speak, which is a real disaster for a broadcaster

2241
01:49:56,213 --> 01:49:58,852
Speaker 2: if you have lost ability to find words and say

2242
01:49:58,933 --> 01:50:02,572
Speaker 2: them out loud. But we've just been talking about is

2243
01:50:02,612 --> 01:50:06,133
Speaker 2: that enough? Do we have a strikeforce? Well, we know

2244
01:50:06,213 --> 01:50:07,052
Speaker 2: we don't have a strikeforce.

2245
01:50:07,133 --> 01:50:09,333
Speaker 3: Can I just say, is the echo was the correct use?

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01:50:09,532 --> 01:50:09,612
Speaker 10: Yes?

2247
01:50:10,013 --> 01:50:13,692
Speaker 3: Of VL is a machine design for self propulsion, usually

2248
01:50:13,772 --> 01:50:17,093
Speaker 3: to transport people. So there you go yourself down, mate.

2249
01:50:17,093 --> 01:50:18,732
Speaker 2: No, I think it's right, but it's not a great

2250
01:50:18,772 --> 01:50:21,572
Speaker 2: way to describe a plane as a vehicle anyway, guys,

2251
01:50:21,652 --> 01:50:23,612
Speaker 2: we could do all the training up to PC nine

2252
01:50:23,692 --> 01:50:25,972
Speaker 2: standard for the Aussies and US. A number of keywis

2253
01:50:26,013 --> 01:50:28,053
Speaker 2: could then go on to the fast jets with the

2254
01:50:28,652 --> 01:50:32,572
Speaker 2: r aaf NH ninety is about twenty six thousand per

2255
01:50:32,692 --> 01:50:36,013
Speaker 2: hour to operate Australian ditch. Their is Australia. The Australians

2256
01:50:36,053 --> 01:50:38,253
Speaker 2: ditch there is we should have bought black Hawks or

2257
01:50:38,293 --> 01:50:40,532
Speaker 2: something similar to what Australia operates. We could have got

2258
01:50:40,652 --> 01:50:43,333
Speaker 2: more for our money and more practical. I mean, I

2259
01:50:43,412 --> 01:50:46,093
Speaker 2: don't know a lot about helicopters, but I knew that

2260
01:50:46,133 --> 01:50:49,093
Speaker 2: the NH nineties look cool and they're huge, so I

2261
01:50:49,333 --> 01:50:51,692
Speaker 2: like them. But yeah, what he's kind of saying there

2262
01:50:51,973 --> 01:50:55,372
Speaker 2: is that we slot in with the Australians, so we

2263
01:50:55,812 --> 01:50:58,973
Speaker 2: train to their standards so we can slot on to

2264
01:50:59,093 --> 01:51:02,492
Speaker 2: use the gear if they need it. And you know,

2265
01:51:02,652 --> 01:51:06,213
Speaker 2: we buy we buy units that fit what they're doing.

2266
01:51:06,412 --> 01:51:08,333
Speaker 2: So if they're buying black Hawks, we buy black Horley.

2267
01:51:08,732 --> 01:51:10,532
Speaker 3: I like the idea of it, but we'd have to

2268
01:51:10,652 --> 01:51:13,213
Speaker 3: own those assets. That's important, right. We couldn't go into

2269
01:51:13,253 --> 01:51:16,053
Speaker 3: some sort of arrangement where we say here's a couple

2270
01:51:16,093 --> 01:51:19,173
Speaker 3: of hundred million dollars, use that to buy some sort

2271
01:51:19,213 --> 01:51:21,973
Speaker 3: of aircraft or vehicle and we're in with you. That

2272
01:51:22,333 --> 01:51:23,452
Speaker 3: is where it starts to get try.

2273
01:51:24,732 --> 01:51:28,093
Speaker 2: What you could say, is Australia, what are you buying? Okay,

2274
01:51:28,173 --> 01:51:30,093
Speaker 2: we'll get some of that and we'll train up for

2275
01:51:30,173 --> 01:51:32,213
Speaker 2: people to use your gear, and you can use some

2276
01:51:32,333 --> 01:51:34,452
Speaker 2: of our gear. But the problem with that is we

2277
01:51:34,532 --> 01:51:38,572
Speaker 2: are then if we get in line, as we're saying

2278
01:51:38,612 --> 01:51:40,572
Speaker 2: before Australia too much, then do we have our own

2279
01:51:40,612 --> 01:51:43,652
Speaker 2: foreign policy or are we just part of theirs? And

2280
01:51:43,812 --> 01:51:45,252
Speaker 2: do we just become a part of Australia.

2281
01:51:45,812 --> 01:51:48,812
Speaker 3: It's a hard one, Warren, how are you? Oh, I'm

2282
01:51:48,893 --> 01:51:51,812
Speaker 3: great now and we do need to upgrade.

2283
01:51:53,013 --> 01:51:53,053
Speaker 16: No.

2284
01:51:53,612 --> 01:51:58,253
Speaker 10: I've been listening to sitting way back to Buyen talking

2285
01:51:58,412 --> 01:52:03,213
Speaker 10: about how much money they're spending on their enemies and

2286
01:52:05,692 --> 01:52:09,053
Speaker 10: their defense, and I kept thinking, I've looked at a

2287
01:52:09,133 --> 01:52:12,293
Speaker 10: math and I can't find any I can't find a

2288
01:52:12,412 --> 01:52:16,692
Speaker 10: map of the world that shows New Zealand's enemies. I

2289
01:52:16,772 --> 01:52:17,972
Speaker 10: don't think we've got any.

2290
01:52:19,732 --> 01:52:23,012
Speaker 2: You don't, well, we don't have it. Well, we definitely

2291
01:52:23,093 --> 01:52:26,412
Speaker 2: have people that were in competition worth I guess if

2292
01:52:26,492 --> 01:52:30,852
Speaker 2: you look at the West versus the East, you know

2293
01:52:30,933 --> 01:52:34,612
Speaker 2: there are definitely historical alliances and sides that we kind

2294
01:52:34,652 --> 01:52:38,772
Speaker 2: of are on. But as for someone that's directly threatening us, no,

2295
01:52:39,093 --> 01:52:41,173
Speaker 2: But you don't think that things could change very quickly

2296
01:52:41,253 --> 01:52:42,612
Speaker 2: Warrant No.

2297
01:52:42,772 --> 01:52:45,652
Speaker 10: I think we really need to spend more time making

2298
01:52:45,853 --> 01:52:50,253
Speaker 10: friends you know, we need to spend most of our

2299
01:52:50,412 --> 01:52:53,293
Speaker 10: effort that you know. I mean, I was listening to

2300
01:52:53,492 --> 01:52:55,612
Speaker 10: some of the prices, you know, and you fire one

2301
01:52:55,732 --> 01:52:58,213
Speaker 10: missile and that's probably what we spend on our air

2302
01:52:58,293 --> 01:53:02,772
Speaker 10: force every year. So you kind of go and what

2303
01:53:02,973 --> 01:53:03,852
Speaker 10: ends with that missile?

2304
01:53:04,013 --> 01:53:04,372
Speaker 14: Missus?

2305
01:53:04,492 --> 01:53:08,012
Speaker 10: You know, the whole thing is just a waste of time.

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01:53:09,612 --> 01:53:11,852
Speaker 2: When you agree Warren that the way you make friends

2307
01:53:12,253 --> 01:53:16,572
Speaker 2: as buy it with military alliances and seeing how you

2308
01:53:16,692 --> 01:53:20,293
Speaker 2: can fit in with the militaries of your ally's allies.

2309
01:53:20,372 --> 01:53:21,692
Speaker 2: Isn't that one way to make friends.

2310
01:53:22,612 --> 01:53:25,612
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's there's certainly a way to make friends. Doesn't

2311
01:53:25,652 --> 01:53:28,572
Speaker 10: mean you have to be a fighter pilot, doesn't mean

2312
01:53:28,772 --> 01:53:35,253
Speaker 10: you have to own these beautiful looking helicopters. You know,

2313
01:53:35,492 --> 01:53:40,452
Speaker 10: we we can, we can actually we're capable of going

2314
01:53:40,492 --> 01:53:46,213
Speaker 10: out into the world, meeting people, making friends, and working

2315
01:53:46,372 --> 01:53:50,612
Speaker 10: with most of the nationalities in the world, you know.

2316
01:53:50,812 --> 01:53:55,132
Speaker 10: And you know, I keep hearing about this this huge

2317
01:53:55,333 --> 01:54:01,293
Speaker 10: threat from China, and you know, I just I just

2318
01:54:01,452 --> 01:54:05,852
Speaker 10: keep thinking, really, do we really think that there is

2319
01:54:06,053 --> 01:54:09,372
Speaker 10: this massive threat from a country the size of China

2320
01:54:10,293 --> 01:54:15,412
Speaker 10: is preparing to threaten a country the size of Music.

2321
01:54:15,853 --> 01:54:19,372
Speaker 10: And I mean, if anything. They want to protect our

2322
01:54:19,452 --> 01:54:23,932
Speaker 10: country so that they can then give enough agricultural product

2323
01:54:24,013 --> 01:54:24,852
Speaker 10: to live on.

2324
01:54:25,412 --> 01:54:27,692
Speaker 2: Well, I mean they we trade with them and we

2325
01:54:27,812 --> 01:54:30,972
Speaker 2: make money off them. But you, I guess the reason

2326
01:54:31,013 --> 01:54:33,693
Speaker 2: why you have a defense force in you invest is

2327
01:54:33,812 --> 01:54:36,173
Speaker 2: because you don't know anything about the future. You can

2328
01:54:36,253 --> 01:54:39,893
Speaker 2: make some predictions, but things can change in a geopolitical

2329
01:54:39,973 --> 01:54:42,333
Speaker 2: manner very very quickly. Would you agree, Warren?

2330
01:54:43,293 --> 01:54:47,173
Speaker 10: Oh, I totally agree. And the problem with that, of course,

2331
01:54:47,293 --> 01:54:50,772
Speaker 10: is we still won't be able to contribute. We still

2332
01:54:51,893 --> 01:54:56,772
Speaker 10: we still have the inability to to match it at

2333
01:54:56,853 --> 01:55:01,893
Speaker 10: a significant stage. You know, what we what we what

2334
01:55:01,973 --> 01:55:04,333
Speaker 10: we're going to look at is what are we good at?

2335
01:55:04,453 --> 01:55:10,733
Speaker 10: What can we actually do to bring the world together. Yeah,

2336
01:55:10,812 --> 01:55:13,573
Speaker 10: and a lot of what we need to do is

2337
01:55:14,173 --> 01:55:15,052
Speaker 10: worked with people.

2338
01:55:16,373 --> 01:55:18,493
Speaker 3: Warren, Thank you very much. I hear what you're saying.

2339
01:55:18,493 --> 01:55:21,053
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's trying to be neutral. But as

2340
01:55:21,253 --> 01:55:23,733
Speaker 3: we know, with the state of the world and geopolitical forces.

2341
01:55:24,213 --> 01:55:25,092
Speaker 2: I love the sentiment.

2342
01:55:26,093 --> 01:55:26,493
Speaker 14: I love it.

2343
01:55:27,013 --> 01:55:29,733
Speaker 2: I do think we need to work with people and

2344
01:55:29,973 --> 01:55:33,852
Speaker 2: bring together and find some friends. This text here says

2345
01:55:34,333 --> 01:55:37,133
Speaker 2: with Ansis and Anzac, we're guaranteed to be protected by

2346
01:55:37,133 --> 01:55:40,413
Speaker 2: Australia in the US. Okay, how that works, guarantee?

2347
01:55:40,453 --> 01:55:40,613
Speaker 5: Is it?

2348
01:55:41,253 --> 01:55:42,453
Speaker 2: Oh that's good, I'll stop worrying.

2349
01:55:42,533 --> 01:55:44,653
Speaker 3: Yeah, Happy days seven to four. Back in the month.

2350
01:55:46,133 --> 01:55:49,493
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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, this is this textile. I've been serving on

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Speaker 2: the C one thirty h aircraft and the RNZAF for

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Speaker 2: over thirty three years. It was pretty emotional seeing the

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Speaker 2: old girls depart for north By. I'm coming up to

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Speaker 2: sixty three years old and also due for retirement regards distory. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was sad to see them go.

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Speaker 5: Though.

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Speaker 2: Are very very cool aircraft, and the new hercules are

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Speaker 2: cool too. Yeah, but I personally think we need more planes.

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Speaker 2: Let's go give us some jets. Good discussion. Thank you

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Speaker 2: very much for today. We will see you in a

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Speaker 2: few days man. Yeah, I'm going to feel La.

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Speaker 3: Porp Yeah, me too, going to FeelA por Friday live

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Speaker 3: like the French YEP. Andrew will be here all right,

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Speaker 3: see you

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