WEBVTT - How to adapt your makeup routine as you age with Lisa Matson 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:11.600 I'm Francesca Budkin and I'm Louise Arii and this is 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:14.720 season four of our New Zealand held podcast The Little Things, 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:17.160 a podcast where we talk to experts and find out 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:19.120 the little things you need to know to improve all 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:21.840 areas of your life and cut through the confusion and 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:24.560 overload of information out there, because we know how overwhelming 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.280 it can be. So if you're a call. In season 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.600 two we spoke about skin care, and season three we 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:33.360 spoke about heath care and I revealed myself as a 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:38.000 fifty plus aged novice on both and I learned so much. Well, 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:39.720 we both learned a lot. Yeah, we did. And I 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:41.720 saved a lot of money too, which was really good. 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:45.599 I don't know about you. Well, I had touse some investment. 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:47.839 You have to have some investment it and I might 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:49.360 have been able to cut back, but at least we 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:51.519 did it in the right places. I didn't waste my money. Yeah, 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.000 spend my money better. So you know now that we 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.600 have our skin regime under control. Today's podcast is all 0:00:56.640 --> 0:01:00.360 about makeup and it's inspired by our producer Carey. He's 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:02.560 younger than us, and she came to work one day 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:06.280 and said why doesn't my makeup stick on my face anymore? 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:10.600 Oh, we can't answer that, unfortunately, but we understand where 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:13.520 you're coming from, and who hasn't at some points that 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:15.399 have put their makeup on the way they normally do 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:18.320 and then kind of gone, why don't I actually look better? 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.680 So? Why has my canceala migrated to my wrinkles, which 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:24.400 is the prop of my head? Why does my foundation 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.319 look heavy? Or why do my dark moody eyes make 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.679 me look older? And why is most of that dark 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:33.040 moody eye now on my cheeks? Well, you do make 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:34.560 a bit more of an effort, and I know you 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.520 never leave home without a mascaret, right, Well, that's not 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.479 necessarily true because I exercise without any makeup, Like I'll 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:42.240 meet you first thing in the morning, and my face 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.240 is literally still lying from how it was scrunched and 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:48.240 a pillow. So not when I'm not necessarily it wouldn't 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:52.680 run well, Some people do, know they do well. The 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:54.360 next thing I can say contradicts that, because I would 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:56.440 say I wouldn't leave the house without it, right, But 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.600 that's day to day life. If I'm heading into work 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:03.280 or yeah, you know I can give you a need, 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.000 it's mine, it's I just look completely different just if 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:08.120 I put my scar on. If if that's anything I do, 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:11.960 that's what I do. So my weakness personally is falling 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.959 for one brand and just you know, sticking with sticking 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.480 with it, and also falling for those things that say 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:21.800 things like airbrush, flawless foundation, and then it doesn't live 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:24.000 up to the promise. What you do about there? Like 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.560 how do you know? So here on the little things, 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:28.680 you may have noticed that we resist fans and trends 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:31.080 and try not to be sucked into marketing aimed at 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:34.639 women's vulnerabilities, like do you really actually need three different 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.359 contour and creams? But we also like to know how 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:40.440 we can look our best whatever age, without spending fortune, 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.120 and know what makeup is best for our skin. So 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.160 I am delighted to have lesser mets in with us today. 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:49.160 Lisa has been a professional makeup artist and a hairstylist 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:52.200 and stylist for thirty years. She's the preferred makeup artist 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.600 for many celebrities and media organizations. She's done my makeup 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:57.920 over the years more times than I can remember, for 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:00.440 about a decade at TVNZ and it isn't she doesn't 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.760 know about making anyone and everyone looks amazing. So it's 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.080 great to have you with us. Welcome, Lisa, thank you 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:06.680 for having me. 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:08.440 I'm looking forward to our conversation. 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.440 So let's start with, actually, how much eff it we've 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.560 all made today for an if for a podcast episode 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.799 about makeup? Because you walked in Lisa and said, well, 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.160 I've really I've made a bit of an effort for 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:22.320 you girls today. Can I be totally honest? 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:24.920 Last time I did a podcast with someone, I didn't 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.120 know there was a video, and I didn't make anything 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.720 at all, and so I was not making that risk today. 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:32.960 So I did put a little bit more time than 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:36.000 usual and making myself. And I don't think you've got 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.360 cameras in here. I could have just come with hardly 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:41.440 in anything. I could have had a no makeup day 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:42.080 if I wanted to. 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:46.080 Is that because you spend your life doing other people's makeup, 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:48.640 you just don't kind of have any interest or get 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:50.600 around or don't really not really fuss start. 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.720 I guess for me, I am an artist, so when 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.640 I make up people, that is my canvas and it's 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.200 my passion making up myself. 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:01.920 I wasn't all my thirties that even made more. 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:03.839 Of an effort, and that's just because things weren't looking 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:06.680 as good as they used to. And I still feel 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.080 sometimes when I go to certain jobs that I will 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:10.920 put on my makeup because I want to be seen 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:13.560 as a professional. But you know, I do pretty much 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:17.560 the same look every day except for special occasions like Halloween, 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:19.800 and I might make a you know, pick it up. 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:22.920 Yeah, well, I've made a bit of an effort today, 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.920 but only because before recording this podcast, I was recording 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:29.440 another interview which was being filmed. Otherwise I would be 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.960 wearing my normal day to day makeup, which is tinted, 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.719 some block, a bit of a bit of concealer, under 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.640 the eyes of some mascara and tech. I'm done. But 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:40.160 no ways, you don't like you've made a bit of 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.240 an effort today if I went too far in my 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.760 normal workplace, which I come to, you know, but when 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:48.160 I arrive at work at the university, I would stick 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.040 out like I saw Thumberfies with a lot of makeup. 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:53.320 There's a lot of really academic people there who are 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:57.200 more busy doing research, right, But when I was doing 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.240 a little putting a little bit of concilla, I was thinking, 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:03.479 wouldn't it be so great if just dark eyes, like 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:08.919 dark light rings, everyrinkles could be made really fashionable and 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:11.280 we wouldn't have to do this. But I put a 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.200 little bit of pon and what else, a little bit 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:16.080 of concealer, and I found that my daughter had left 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.720 lots of brand new miscarras. You know, she's gone to university, 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:21.760 and she'd left all the mascaras and the things I 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:22.400 had fun with. That. 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.520 Yeah, beautiful skin, though, it makes such a difference. 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:31.120 Good skin. There you go, put that effort into the 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.880 skin and there you go. I'm still work, still working 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.640 on all of that. But look, I mean, I've recently 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:38.720 done a twenty first album for my son, and I 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.839 looked back and I thought it was impossible not to 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:46.240 see myself age over the twenty one years and just 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.640 the changes and stages of life. Do you think I 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:50.960 makeup should change as we get older. 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:54.279 Or it definitely needs to change. I mean, I still 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:58.320 meet people that still win makeup from the eighties and nineties, 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:03.159 and sometimes it's the colors that aren't that fashionable. Actually, 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.839 they're just you were looking for products that make you 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:09.719 look youthful, and that's it. So you know, something that's 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:13.599 going to make your skin look youthful, the colors that 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:15.719 are going to enhanch eye color, but not drag your 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:20.800 eyes because everything, gravity, menipause, all the things through middle age, 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:26.280 you know, fighting against you looking particularly fabulous. So you 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.080 can use makeup as a tool to enhance the things 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.240 that you love about yourself and to hide the things, 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.720 like you know, under eyebags. For me, like may, I've 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.560 got sun spots, but I don't conceal them. I put 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:41.320 my foundation on and for me that's enough concealer, because 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.040 to conceal them, I have to put something heavy on 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.080 and that can actually just be more aging. So a 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.919 lot of it is the texture of the products that 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.440 you use and the type of colors. So like the 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:54.240 heavy black, I still see people that do the heavy 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.919 black eyelighter. Unless you've got really large eyes and a 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.520 good eye area, they will just that would just make 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.600 your eyes look smaller and it's actually really harsh. You 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.560 actually look older. So you need to go for browns 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:09.320 and softer shades. But again I'm saying, you know, for black, 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:11.560 you can just putting it on the outer corners, so 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.960 instead of circling the whole eye and a heavy black. 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:17.040 Or if you do a wing, that's fine, if you 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.280 can still have an eye that hasn't you know, dropped 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:20.840 down to your bottom cheek. 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.640 My wing's okay, your wings are fine. I can't see you, don't. 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.200 You've got very little wings, darling, very so you could 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:31.880 actually you could actually wing, you could wing it up. 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:36.000 I have never mastered the top the eyeliner thing, and 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.600 I do remember those days of putting it on your 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:39.520 down here. 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:43.760 I could, and it's still that's quite rock sheep. But 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:45.640 you've just got to make your eye look bigger if 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:47.320 you're going to do that, if you have smaller eyes. 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:49.720 I noticed the latest trend is the young people are 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:53.000 putting a little bit of cello tape out from their 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.280 eye in order to get the line right for the 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.400 wing to come out. They're using it as a guide, 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:02.080 which wasn't well, it's sensible to stick of the tape 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:02.600 on your face. 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:04.400 Well, here's the thing. You don't want to be doing 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:06.440 that after you put your foundation on. It's the sort 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.320 of thing you do before you put your foundation. So 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.120 if you're not going to be wanting to peel half 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.240 your work off once you put your tape off, but 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:14.960 to be fair, whatever works. If that works for you 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.040 to get a straight line. You know, there's a lot 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:20.560 of different techniques, and those that have more experience will 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.160 do something in one fancy line. I still do everything 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.840 in small increments, and I you know, I take forever 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:27.200 because I'm a perfectionist as well. 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:28.480 So and to get. 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:31.880 Both sides exactly right, it's hard. So put in a 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:36.800 bit of tape there equally as used as a guide. 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.000 You know, you're right, It is quite hard to do 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:40.719 to go for one side. You've got to be more 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.000 dominant and when you're doing it yourself. 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.800 And half the time the easiest thing to do is 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.960 to kill your lashes or even put your mascara on first. 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:50.439 Well this is for people at home, and actually look 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.880 straight into the mirror and add your flicking first. And 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:55.960 all you want is that flick to start from where 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:59.720 the last slash is and just make that an extension 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:03.720 of the last lash, moving up or slightly out whatever's 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:05.760 going to flatter. So if you can do that first, 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:07.920 then you close your eyes and then you fill it in. 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:10.520 But you need to be able to see what you're doing. 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:12.640 There's no point trying to put a flick with your 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:15.440 eye clothes and not frigguring out watch angle. 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.240 It's going to suit you have it. You know. Now 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:22.080 this is a bit of a middle aged issue, but 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:26.800 as my eyesight's going and I wear glasses, that's really 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.760 interesting trying to work after you know what you have 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:29.959 to do. 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:37.360 Lenses, contact lenses, no times ten mirror as much as 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:40.640 so cruel. It is going to be your best friend 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:43.600 for even getting rid of straight hairs, eyebrow hairs and stuff. 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:44.559 You actually you need that. 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:49.440 Yeahs, just make sure you're in a room where there's 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:52.280 lots of white walls and natural light. And then if 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:55.480 you're looking everything's diffused, babes, and just don't do it 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.120 in a down lit bathroom or something. You would never 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:00.800 leave them your lock self in the house. 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.560 I think most people, like even a young person, doesn't 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:05.920 like looking at themselves in ten times, do they? So 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.640 you know, we should probably give a salves a break. 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:10.320 But I'm just making a list of things I don't 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:12.920 have that I can have, like an eyelash killer. Actually 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:16.200 I don't mind the I don't mind the magnified mirror, 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:18.760 especially with the eyebrows. It's kinde of fun. It's like, 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:22.040 oh my goodness, right, that's that's what's going on. Yeah, 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:26.200 get into it. Why does it feel like, all of 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.480 a sudden you sort of hit an age where the 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.520 makeup doesn't stay on your face the way it did. 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:35.520 Is it just our aging skin or is it makeup? 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:37.480 Is it? Well, it can be all of them above. 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:41.040 It really depends because there's a lot of people that 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:43.320 don't put a lot of prep into their skin, so 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:47.520 they're not big on moisturizers and cleansers, you know, or 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.920 different types and as you get older, I've always been 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:54.320 a big fan of products made by dermatologists, and you 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:56.760 can get them at different price range because farmers even 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:00.280 sell products, you know, and make a the sell product 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.959 a cheap range and then you've got you very high end. 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:06.280 But I always find dermatologists know more about the skin. 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.360 So I have a mix of different brands that are used. 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.160 Like I'm not a I don't in any way use 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:13.800 one brand for anything. 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:16.760 I only use brands. 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.400 That have a protected product that I like, So I 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:21.199 mix it up and I will mix up price points 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:25.200 for everything's skin care and makeup as well. But it's 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:28.280 having a really good skin, so that's but it's also 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:33.120 diet you know, we hit middle age with the environmental things, 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.840 you know, the sunbathing in our seventies and eighties. That 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.559 oopsie daisy, there's more sun spots that's turned up five 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.240 twenty years later. So we've got a lot of factors. 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.959 Our diet, how much water we ding, all of that 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.840 makes such a difference. Moisturizing is for me, is the 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.679 biggest morning and night and the one thing I've always 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:52.199 found that a lot of people don't do is they 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:54.400 moisturize on a dry skin, and it should be a 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:58.080 damp skin because that locks the moisture and you'll notice 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:01.839 a massive difference just in the the hydration of your skin. 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.440 Pin moisturiser night and day onto a damp skin. So 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:07.840 just after a flannel you've jumped out of the shower, 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.400 there's a light pats that's still damp like a kid. 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.760 You know. I've had so many clients that have just gone, oh, 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:16.880 my makeup sticks, because the worst thing when wearing foundation 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.000 is a dry skin because even if you're using a 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.920 light foundation, it just grabs and you can see it 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.160 just sits in the texture of that dry skin and 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:26.199 it's really aging. 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:28.959 That's really interesting because I was going to ask you about, 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:31.000 you know, do we need you hear a lot about 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:35.280 primers and fixes and all these things. Do you want 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:38.360 to put whatever you want to most it's on top 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.920 of a moisturized skin, whatever that might be, and it's 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:43.720 good to let it sit so it's good. 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:47.360 Like you might have a shower, put your moisturize on, 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.440 go and have breakfasts to come back and then put 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:54.439 your foundation and stuff on. And the thing is, if 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:58.000 you even wait two hours having moisturized damp skin, your 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.440 skin stool is smooth and lovely. Whereas you put it 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.000 on dry skin in an hour, your skin's all just 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:07.160 dry and crunching, and your foundation sits badly on your skin. 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.640 And hormones do different things as well. Because you want 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:14.040 lighter foundations. You want you don't want the heavy, heavy foundations. 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.200 You know, good bye, there's shadey cake from Day's gone by, 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:21.120 But we want you know, softer so tint to moisturizers 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:22.920 actually go if you've got a good skin. It's actually 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:27.200 nice on older skin and foundations that. 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.520 Have a little bit more of a jewy texture. And 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:31.120 there's a lot out there. There's a lot of. 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:33.840 Different brands that do a jewy that are also slightly 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.880 longer wear. But I tell you what is the biggest 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:40.760 thing for moving you make up? Is that touching your face? 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:41.920 Oh, just doing that. 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.640 You're touching your face and it's the same as licking 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:47.520 your lips, and rubbing your lips will get rid of 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:51.160 lipstick in five seconds. And I have clients that never 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:53.160 rub their lips, and I can kid you not. They 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.240 can have just normal lips and gloss and two hours 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:56.120 later they still have it on. 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:59.640 Okay, No, I'm lucky to get past fifteen minutes. 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:01.800 But that's all it does. People don't even realize that 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:04.480 they do it. But touching your face is the biggest 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:07.000 because you've got oils in your fingers, so as soon 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.240 as you got your hands, you're lifting everything off that 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:10.320 you every time you touch. 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:15.920 I was having a giggle when you said that about 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:21.160 about not using the same brands, because I'm a shocker. 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.720 I get a bit intimidated. And you know, say I 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:25.920 like a gloss from one brand, I'm like, okay, I'm 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:29.600 here now, I'll buy everything from that brand. And I 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:31.520 don't tend to look around because I mean, you won't 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:33.360 get intimidated in Mecca. But the first time I went 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:36.640 into Mecca, I was just like, what the But. 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.560 At least with the girls at Mecca, they're trained well, 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.480 they know their products, they know you know all the 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:47.040 products ahead as a consumer going in, it's just asking 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:50.000 them the right question, this is what I need, this 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:51.960 is what I have problems with, and then they give 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.960 you you know, then they give you the choices. And 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.720 I would always, especially with foundation foundations the hardest. That's 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.160 the way you know, it covers your whole face. That's 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:03.600 the one you don't want to make a mistake with. 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:07.400 I would always just ask for samples, so you go home, 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.200 you try it, you don't buy anything. 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:11.200 Because they've just said this is it. 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:13.760 So I'll have a trial of that one trial of 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:16.640 that one, and you get at least two days or 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:20.440 so where see how it feels on your skin, see 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.240 how it lasts on your skin. Primers are good at 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.760 setting things. There's some great primers out there for older 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.280 skin that have like blurring. I've just bought one that 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.120 I use my kitten for myself from Stiller and it's 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:35.720 a it's a long stay blurring primer and sometimes you 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:37.960 can put that primer on before you put your foundation 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.600 to help it sort of stick to the skin and 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.000 then apply it after. But this one has a bit 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.200 of a blurring, so it makes the skin. Just look 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.280 at that little bit smooth. All the tricks you can 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:48.680 use at this stage. 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.920 You just go for it. And we're not talking. So 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.000 when you're talking about foundation, you're talking about whatever type 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:56.280 of foundation we choose, whether it is attentive moisture, it's 0:15:56.320 --> 0:16:00.760 the broad, the long, weir ones. You don't want heavy. 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:01.800 This is the thing. 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.120 You've got to be careful. You want something that's a 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:09.080 medium to light coverage. Anything too heavy if you've got 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:11.480 lines or things that just grabs, and if you don't 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:15.440 have good skin, it's even worse. And while we're on foundation, 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:17.800 the other thing that has changed a lot and a 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.560 lot of people don't realize is that we all wear 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.880 were that. You know, when we get to in our fifties, 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.040 from having our years of some bathing, our skin's got 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.400 a bit yellower, our bodies are a bit more tanned. 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:31.760 We might not be some bath in our face, but 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.560 our bodies are darker than our face or you've got 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:38.040 the fake ten on. And so what I still see 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:42.760 is woman wearing foundation. That's way too light. They are 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:46.040 still matching to this face, and naturally you should be 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:49.960 matching to your declotage. Like if you've gone to Barley 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:51.960 and come back super super dark, you don't want to 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.320 maybe go that dark on your face because then you 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.200 just look and look a bit. You know, it looks 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:58.080 a bit weird, but you want to go you want 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.280 to look at your chest color and match. That mean 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:02.000 you have to take it down your neck. Yeah, put 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.240 this fake tan up your neck a bit. 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.840 But because I'm covered in fake tan and I've got 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:08.879 a little bit of sun on my neck. So but 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:13.240 normally I'd be tanned on my oh my chest, quite 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.119 part of my face. The neck never gets in it. 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:16.879 So it's quite hard, as you say, to bring it 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:20.000 a week all the way down to that. So the 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:21.200 secret because. 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.040 Most people get a little white patch, so you take 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.920 it and almost like a v Okay, So if you 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:30.520 wear in a collared shirt like this, I would actually 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.600 possibly put it on and then just take your foundation 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.479 and lightly Again, I don't ever put anything on very 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.320 very heavy, and if I need to, I use a 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.280 pressing motion. But on my neck I just quickly lightly 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.000 brush and so it's not necessarily as heavy as what's 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:46.920 on your face, but you're bringing that color or you 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.080 just chuck a bit of bronzer. It's hard, you know. 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.320 Sometimes you do need a winter foundation and a summer foundation, 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:54.879 you know, but what. 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:56.800 You don't want is little white head on a brown 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:01.600 body because it just makes your face look look. 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.280 That's very interesting, but it washes you out. Yeah, because 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.440 I think we do go Oh, I've always been the 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:10.280 whatever branded is number four, right, and it's probably not 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:12.840 necessarily true because things change and. 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:18.520 Also formulations always improving always, you know, like I used 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.200 to be Loreal's makeup director for ten years, and I 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:25.879 know that they've got like I have three thousand scientists 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:28.679 that are most of them are women, and they are 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:34.480 always trying to find formulations to do the job better. 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.000 So sometimes you get stuck on the same brand. You're 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:39.560 missing out on something that can be better. So when 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:41.600 you run out of a product, go and have a 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:44.000 little look around it. So go into you see what 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:45.360 you get those samples. 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:48.920 That's confusing because there's just been so many changes, hasn't 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:50.439 there Do you remember the Moose makeup? So are they 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:52.560 still Moose Foundations? I'm sure someone's still. 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:57.720 It was the very dewy jew And the thing is 0:18:57.800 --> 0:18:58.760 all of that, it's still in. 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:01.960 None of it's you just still find it. 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:04.160 I mean you can watch you know, your social media 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.560