Speaker 1: I'm Francesca Budkin and I'm Louise Arii and this is
Speaker 1: season four of our New Zealand held podcast The Little Things,
Speaker 1: a podcast where we talk to experts and find out
Speaker 1: the little things you need to know to improve all
Speaker 1: areas of your life and cut through the confusion and
Speaker 1: overload of information out there, because we know how overwhelming
Speaker 1: it can be. So if you're a call. In season
Speaker 1: two we spoke about skin care, and season three we
Speaker 1: spoke about heath care and I revealed myself as a
Speaker 1: fifty plus aged novice on both and I learned so much. Well,
Speaker 1: we both learned a lot. Yeah, we did. And I
Speaker 1: saved a lot of money too, which was really good.
Speaker 1: I don't know about you. Well, I had touse some investment.
Speaker 1: You have to have some investment it and I might
Speaker 1: have been able to cut back, but at least we
Speaker 1: did it in the right places. I didn't waste my money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: spend my money better. So you know now that we
Speaker 1: have our skin regime under control. Today's podcast is all
Speaker 1: about makeup and it's inspired by our producer Carey. He's
Speaker 1: younger than us, and she came to work one day
Speaker 1: and said why doesn't my makeup stick on my face anymore?
Speaker 2: Oh, we can't answer that, unfortunately, but we understand where
Speaker 2: you're coming from, and who hasn't at some points that
Speaker 2: have put their makeup on the way they normally do
Speaker 2: and then kind of gone, why don't I actually look better?
Speaker 1: So? Why has my canceala migrated to my wrinkles, which
Speaker 1: is the prop of my head? Why does my foundation
Speaker 1: look heavy? Or why do my dark moody eyes make
Speaker 1: me look older? And why is most of that dark
Speaker 1: moody eye now on my cheeks? Well, you do make
Speaker 1: a bit more of an effort, and I know you
Speaker 1: never leave home without a mascaret, right, Well, that's not
Speaker 1: necessarily true because I exercise without any makeup, Like I'll
Speaker 1: meet you first thing in the morning, and my face
Speaker 1: is literally still lying from how it was scrunched and
Speaker 1: a pillow. So not when I'm not necessarily it wouldn't
Speaker 1: run well, Some people do, know they do well. The
Speaker 1: next thing I can say contradicts that, because I would
Speaker 1: say I wouldn't leave the house without it, right, But
Speaker 1: that's day to day life. If I'm heading into work
Speaker 1: or yeah, you know I can give you a need,
Speaker 1: it's mine, it's I just look completely different just if
Speaker 1: I put my scar on. If if that's anything I do,
Speaker 1: that's what I do. So my weakness personally is falling
Speaker 1: for one brand and just you know, sticking with sticking
Speaker 1: with it, and also falling for those things that say
Speaker 1: things like airbrush, flawless foundation, and then it doesn't live
Speaker 1: up to the promise. What you do about there? Like
Speaker 1: how do you know? So here on the little things,
Speaker 1: you may have noticed that we resist fans and trends
Speaker 1: and try not to be sucked into marketing aimed at
Speaker 1: women's vulnerabilities, like do you really actually need three different
Speaker 1: contour and creams? But we also like to know how
Speaker 1: we can look our best whatever age, without spending fortune,
Speaker 1: and know what makeup is best for our skin. So
Speaker 1: I am delighted to have lesser mets in with us today.
Speaker 1: Lisa has been a professional makeup artist and a hairstylist
Speaker 1: and stylist for thirty years. She's the preferred makeup artist
Speaker 1: for many celebrities and media organizations. She's done my makeup
Speaker 1: over the years more times than I can remember, for
Speaker 1: about a decade at TVNZ and it isn't she doesn't
Speaker 1: know about making anyone and everyone looks amazing. So it's
Speaker 1: great to have you with us. Welcome, Lisa, thank you
Speaker 1: for having me.
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to our conversation.
Speaker 1: So let's start with, actually, how much eff it we've
Speaker 1: all made today for an if for a podcast episode
Speaker 1: about makeup? Because you walked in Lisa and said, well,
Speaker 1: I've really I've made a bit of an effort for
Speaker 1: you girls today. Can I be totally honest?
Speaker 3: Last time I did a podcast with someone, I didn't
Speaker 3: know there was a video, and I didn't make anything
Speaker 3: at all, and so I was not making that risk today.
Speaker 3: So I did put a little bit more time than
Speaker 3: usual and making myself. And I don't think you've got
Speaker 3: cameras in here. I could have just come with hardly
Speaker 3: in anything. I could have had a no makeup day
Speaker 3: if I wanted to.
Speaker 1: Is that because you spend your life doing other people's makeup,
Speaker 1: you just don't kind of have any interest or get
Speaker 1: around or don't really not really fuss start.
Speaker 3: I guess for me, I am an artist, so when
Speaker 3: I make up people, that is my canvas and it's
Speaker 3: my passion making up myself.
Speaker 1: I wasn't all my thirties that even made more.
Speaker 3: Of an effort, and that's just because things weren't looking
Speaker 3: as good as they used to. And I still feel
Speaker 3: sometimes when I go to certain jobs that I will
Speaker 3: put on my makeup because I want to be seen
Speaker 3: as a professional. But you know, I do pretty much
Speaker 3: the same look every day except for special occasions like Halloween,
Speaker 3: and I might make a you know, pick it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I've made a bit of an effort today,
Speaker 1: but only because before recording this podcast, I was recording
Speaker 1: another interview which was being filmed. Otherwise I would be
Speaker 1: wearing my normal day to day makeup, which is tinted,
Speaker 1: some block, a bit of a bit of concealer, under
Speaker 1: the eyes of some mascara and tech. I'm done. But
Speaker 1: no ways, you don't like you've made a bit of
Speaker 1: an effort today if I went too far in my
Speaker 1: normal workplace, which I come to, you know, but when
Speaker 1: I arrive at work at the university, I would stick
Speaker 1: out like I saw Thumberfies with a lot of makeup.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of really academic people there who are
Speaker 1: more busy doing research, right, But when I was doing
Speaker 1: a little putting a little bit of concilla, I was thinking,
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be so great if just dark eyes, like
Speaker 1: dark light rings, everyrinkles could be made really fashionable and
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have to do this. But I put a
Speaker 1: little bit of pon and what else, a little bit
Speaker 1: of concealer, and I found that my daughter had left
Speaker 1: lots of brand new miscarras. You know, she's gone to university,
Speaker 1: and she'd left all the mascaras and the things I
Speaker 1: had fun with. That.
Speaker 3: Yeah, beautiful skin, though, it makes such a difference.
Speaker 1: Good skin. There you go, put that effort into the
Speaker 1: skin and there you go. I'm still work, still working
Speaker 1: on all of that. But look, I mean, I've recently
Speaker 1: done a twenty first album for my son, and I
Speaker 1: looked back and I thought it was impossible not to
Speaker 1: see myself age over the twenty one years and just
Speaker 1: the changes and stages of life. Do you think I
Speaker 1: makeup should change as we get older.
Speaker 3: Or it definitely needs to change. I mean, I still
Speaker 3: meet people that still win makeup from the eighties and nineties,
Speaker 3: and sometimes it's the colors that aren't that fashionable. Actually,
Speaker 3: they're just you were looking for products that make you
Speaker 3: look youthful, and that's it. So you know, something that's
Speaker 3: going to make your skin look youthful, the colors that
Speaker 3: are going to enhanch eye color, but not drag your
Speaker 3: eyes because everything, gravity, menipause, all the things through middle age,
Speaker 3: you know, fighting against you looking particularly fabulous. So you
Speaker 3: can use makeup as a tool to enhance the things
Speaker 3: that you love about yourself and to hide the things,
Speaker 3: like you know, under eyebags. For me, like may, I've
Speaker 3: got sun spots, but I don't conceal them. I put
Speaker 3: my foundation on and for me that's enough concealer, because
Speaker 3: to conceal them, I have to put something heavy on
Speaker 3: and that can actually just be more aging. So a
Speaker 3: lot of it is the texture of the products that
Speaker 3: you use and the type of colors. So like the
Speaker 3: heavy black, I still see people that do the heavy
Speaker 3: black eyelighter. Unless you've got really large eyes and a
Speaker 3: good eye area, they will just that would just make
Speaker 3: your eyes look smaller and it's actually really harsh. You
Speaker 3: actually look older. So you need to go for browns
Speaker 3: and softer shades. But again I'm saying, you know, for black,
Speaker 3: you can just putting it on the outer corners, so
Speaker 3: instead of circling the whole eye and a heavy black.
Speaker 3: Or if you do a wing, that's fine, if you
Speaker 3: can still have an eye that hasn't you know, dropped
Speaker 3: down to your bottom cheek.
Speaker 1: My wing's okay, your wings are fine. I can't see you, don't.
Speaker 3: You've got very little wings, darling, very so you could
Speaker 3: actually you could actually wing, you could wing it up.
Speaker 1: I have never mastered the top the eyeliner thing, and
Speaker 1: I do remember those days of putting it on your
Speaker 1: down here.
Speaker 3: I could, and it's still that's quite rock sheep. But
Speaker 3: you've just got to make your eye look bigger if
Speaker 3: you're going to do that, if you have smaller eyes.
Speaker 1: I noticed the latest trend is the young people are
Speaker 1: putting a little bit of cello tape out from their
Speaker 1: eye in order to get the line right for the
Speaker 1: wing to come out. They're using it as a guide,
Speaker 1: which wasn't well, it's sensible to stick of the tape
Speaker 1: on your face.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing. You don't want to be doing
Speaker 3: that after you put your foundation on. It's the sort
Speaker 3: of thing you do before you put your foundation. So
Speaker 3: if you're not going to be wanting to peel half
Speaker 3: your work off once you put your tape off, but
Speaker 3: to be fair, whatever works. If that works for you
Speaker 3: to get a straight line. You know, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of different techniques, and those that have more experience will
Speaker 3: do something in one fancy line. I still do everything
Speaker 3: in small increments, and I you know, I take forever
Speaker 3: because I'm a perfectionist as well.
Speaker 1: So and to get.
Speaker 3: Both sides exactly right, it's hard. So put in a
Speaker 3: bit of tape there equally as used as a guide.
Speaker 1: You know, you're right, It is quite hard to do
Speaker 1: to go for one side. You've got to be more
Speaker 1: dominant and when you're doing it yourself.
Speaker 3: And half the time the easiest thing to do is
Speaker 3: to kill your lashes or even put your mascara on first.
Speaker 3: Well this is for people at home, and actually look
Speaker 3: straight into the mirror and add your flicking first. And
Speaker 3: all you want is that flick to start from where
Speaker 3: the last slash is and just make that an extension
Speaker 3: of the last lash, moving up or slightly out whatever's
Speaker 3: going to flatter. So if you can do that first,
Speaker 3: then you close your eyes and then you fill it in.
Speaker 3: But you need to be able to see what you're doing.
Speaker 3: There's no point trying to put a flick with your
Speaker 3: eye clothes and not frigguring out watch angle.
Speaker 1: It's going to suit you have it. You know. Now
Speaker 1: this is a bit of a middle aged issue, but
Speaker 1: as my eyesight's going and I wear glasses, that's really
Speaker 1: interesting trying to work after you know what you have
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 3: Lenses, contact lenses, no times ten mirror as much as
Speaker 3: so cruel. It is going to be your best friend
Speaker 3: for even getting rid of straight hairs, eyebrow hairs and stuff.
Speaker 1: You actually you need that.
Speaker 3: Yeahs, just make sure you're in a room where there's
Speaker 3: lots of white walls and natural light. And then if
Speaker 3: you're looking everything's diffused, babes, and just don't do it
Speaker 3: in a down lit bathroom or something. You would never
Speaker 3: leave them your lock self in the house.
Speaker 1: I think most people, like even a young person, doesn't
Speaker 1: like looking at themselves in ten times, do they? So
Speaker 1: you know, we should probably give a salves a break.
Speaker 1: But I'm just making a list of things I don't
Speaker 1: have that I can have, like an eyelash killer. Actually
Speaker 1: I don't mind the I don't mind the magnified mirror,
Speaker 1: especially with the eyebrows. It's kinde of fun. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, right, that's that's what's going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: get into it. Why does it feel like, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you sort of hit an age where the
Speaker 1: makeup doesn't stay on your face the way it did.
Speaker 1: Is it just our aging skin or is it makeup?
Speaker 1: Is it? Well, it can be all of them above.
Speaker 3: It really depends because there's a lot of people that
Speaker 3: don't put a lot of prep into their skin, so
Speaker 3: they're not big on moisturizers and cleansers, you know, or
Speaker 3: different types and as you get older, I've always been
Speaker 3: a big fan of products made by dermatologists, and you
Speaker 3: can get them at different price range because farmers even
Speaker 3: sell products, you know, and make a the sell product
Speaker 3: a cheap range and then you've got you very high end.
Speaker 3: But I always find dermatologists know more about the skin.
Speaker 3: So I have a mix of different brands that are used.
Speaker 3: Like I'm not a I don't in any way use
Speaker 3: one brand for anything.
Speaker 1: I only use brands.
Speaker 3: That have a protected product that I like, So I
Speaker 3: mix it up and I will mix up price points
Speaker 3: for everything's skin care and makeup as well. But it's
Speaker 3: having a really good skin, so that's but it's also
Speaker 3: diet you know, we hit middle age with the environmental things,
Speaker 3: you know, the sunbathing in our seventies and eighties. That
Speaker 3: oopsie daisy, there's more sun spots that's turned up five
Speaker 3: twenty years later. So we've got a lot of factors.
Speaker 3: Our diet, how much water we ding, all of that
Speaker 3: makes such a difference. Moisturizing is for me, is the
Speaker 3: biggest morning and night and the one thing I've always
Speaker 3: found that a lot of people don't do is they
Speaker 3: moisturize on a dry skin, and it should be a
Speaker 3: damp skin because that locks the moisture and you'll notice
Speaker 3: a massive difference just in the the hydration of your skin.
Speaker 3: Pin moisturiser night and day onto a damp skin. So
Speaker 3: just after a flannel you've jumped out of the shower,
Speaker 3: there's a light pats that's still damp like a kid.
Speaker 3: You know. I've had so many clients that have just gone, oh,
Speaker 3: my makeup sticks, because the worst thing when wearing foundation
Speaker 3: is a dry skin because even if you're using a
Speaker 3: light foundation, it just grabs and you can see it
Speaker 3: just sits in the texture of that dry skin and
Speaker 3: it's really aging.
Speaker 1: That's really interesting because I was going to ask you about,
Speaker 1: you know, do we need you hear a lot about
Speaker 1: primers and fixes and all these things. Do you want
Speaker 1: to put whatever you want to most it's on top
Speaker 1: of a moisturized skin, whatever that might be, and it's
Speaker 1: good to let it sit so it's good.
Speaker 3: Like you might have a shower, put your moisturize on,
Speaker 3: go and have breakfasts to come back and then put
Speaker 3: your foundation and stuff on. And the thing is, if
Speaker 3: you even wait two hours having moisturized damp skin, your
Speaker 3: skin stool is smooth and lovely. Whereas you put it
Speaker 3: on dry skin in an hour, your skin's all just
Speaker 3: dry and crunching, and your foundation sits badly on your skin.
Speaker 3: And hormones do different things as well. Because you want
Speaker 3: lighter foundations. You want you don't want the heavy, heavy foundations.
Speaker 3: You know, good bye, there's shadey cake from Day's gone by,
Speaker 3: But we want you know, softer so tint to moisturizers
Speaker 3: actually go if you've got a good skin. It's actually
Speaker 3: nice on older skin and foundations that.
Speaker 1: Have a little bit more of a jewy texture. And
Speaker 1: there's a lot out there. There's a lot of.
Speaker 3: Different brands that do a jewy that are also slightly
Speaker 3: longer wear. But I tell you what is the biggest
Speaker 3: thing for moving you make up? Is that touching your face?
Speaker 1: Oh, just doing that.
Speaker 3: You're touching your face and it's the same as licking
Speaker 3: your lips, and rubbing your lips will get rid of
Speaker 3: lipstick in five seconds. And I have clients that never
Speaker 3: rub their lips, and I can kid you not. They
Speaker 3: can have just normal lips and gloss and two hours
Speaker 3: later they still have it on.
Speaker 1: Okay, No, I'm lucky to get past fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3: But that's all it does. People don't even realize that
Speaker 3: they do it. But touching your face is the biggest
Speaker 3: because you've got oils in your fingers, so as soon
Speaker 3: as you got your hands, you're lifting everything off that
Speaker 3: you every time you touch.
Speaker 1: I was having a giggle when you said that about
Speaker 1: about not using the same brands, because I'm a shocker.
Speaker 1: I get a bit intimidated. And you know, say I
Speaker 1: like a gloss from one brand, I'm like, okay, I'm
Speaker 1: here now, I'll buy everything from that brand. And I
Speaker 1: don't tend to look around because I mean, you won't
Speaker 1: get intimidated in Mecca. But the first time I went
Speaker 1: into Mecca, I was just like, what the But.
Speaker 3: At least with the girls at Mecca, they're trained well,
Speaker 3: they know their products, they know you know all the
Speaker 3: products ahead as a consumer going in, it's just asking
Speaker 3: them the right question, this is what I need, this
Speaker 3: is what I have problems with, and then they give
Speaker 3: you you know, then they give you the choices. And
Speaker 3: I would always, especially with foundation foundations the hardest. That's
Speaker 3: the way you know, it covers your whole face. That's
Speaker 3: the one you don't want to make a mistake with.
Speaker 3: I would always just ask for samples, so you go home,
Speaker 3: you try it, you don't buy anything.
Speaker 1: Because they've just said this is it.
Speaker 3: So I'll have a trial of that one trial of
Speaker 3: that one, and you get at least two days or
Speaker 3: so where see how it feels on your skin, see
Speaker 3: how it lasts on your skin. Primers are good at
Speaker 3: setting things. There's some great primers out there for older
Speaker 3: skin that have like blurring. I've just bought one that
Speaker 3: I use my kitten for myself from Stiller and it's
Speaker 3: a it's a long stay blurring primer and sometimes you
Speaker 3: can put that primer on before you put your foundation
Speaker 3: to help it sort of stick to the skin and
Speaker 3: then apply it after. But this one has a bit
Speaker 3: of a blurring, so it makes the skin. Just look
Speaker 3: at that little bit smooth. All the tricks you can
Speaker 3: use at this stage.
Speaker 1: You just go for it. And we're not talking. So
Speaker 1: when you're talking about foundation, you're talking about whatever type
Speaker 1: of foundation we choose, whether it is attentive moisture, it's
Speaker 1: the broad, the long, weir ones. You don't want heavy.
Speaker 1: This is the thing.
Speaker 3: You've got to be careful. You want something that's a
Speaker 3: medium to light coverage. Anything too heavy if you've got
Speaker 3: lines or things that just grabs, and if you don't
Speaker 3: have good skin, it's even worse. And while we're on foundation,
Speaker 3: the other thing that has changed a lot and a
Speaker 3: lot of people don't realize is that we all wear
Speaker 3: were that. You know, when we get to in our fifties,
Speaker 3: from having our years of some bathing, our skin's got
Speaker 3: a bit yellower, our bodies are a bit more tanned.
Speaker 3: We might not be some bath in our face, but
Speaker 3: our bodies are darker than our face or you've got
Speaker 3: the fake ten on. And so what I still see
Speaker 3: is woman wearing foundation. That's way too light. They are
Speaker 3: still matching to this face, and naturally you should be
Speaker 3: matching to your declotage. Like if you've gone to Barley
Speaker 3: and come back super super dark, you don't want to
Speaker 3: maybe go that dark on your face because then you
Speaker 3: just look and look a bit. You know, it looks
Speaker 3: a bit weird, but you want to go you want
Speaker 3: to look at your chest color and match. That mean
Speaker 3: you have to take it down your neck. Yeah, put
Speaker 3: this fake tan up your neck a bit.
Speaker 1: But because I'm covered in fake tan and I've got
Speaker 1: a little bit of sun on my neck. So but
Speaker 1: normally I'd be tanned on my oh my chest, quite
Speaker 1: part of my face. The neck never gets in it.
Speaker 1: So it's quite hard, as you say, to bring it
Speaker 1: a week all the way down to that. So the
Speaker 1: secret because.
Speaker 3: Most people get a little white patch, so you take
Speaker 3: it and almost like a v Okay, So if you
Speaker 3: wear in a collared shirt like this, I would actually
Speaker 3: possibly put it on and then just take your foundation
Speaker 3: and lightly Again, I don't ever put anything on very
Speaker 3: very heavy, and if I need to, I use a
Speaker 3: pressing motion. But on my neck I just quickly lightly
Speaker 3: brush and so it's not necessarily as heavy as what's
Speaker 3: on your face, but you're bringing that color or you
Speaker 3: just chuck a bit of bronzer. It's hard, you know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you do need a winter foundation and a summer foundation,
Speaker 1: you know, but what.
Speaker 3: You don't want is little white head on a brown
Speaker 3: body because it just makes your face look look.
Speaker 1: That's very interesting, but it washes you out. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I think we do go Oh, I've always been the
Speaker 1: whatever branded is number four, right, and it's probably not
Speaker 1: necessarily true because things change and.
Speaker 3: Also formulations always improving always, you know, like I used
Speaker 3: to be Loreal's makeup director for ten years, and I
Speaker 3: know that they've got like I have three thousand scientists
Speaker 3: that are most of them are women, and they are
Speaker 3: always trying to find formulations to do the job better.
Speaker 3: So sometimes you get stuck on the same brand. You're
Speaker 3: missing out on something that can be better. So when
Speaker 3: you run out of a product, go and have a
Speaker 3: little look around it. So go into you see what
Speaker 3: you get those samples.
Speaker 1: That's confusing because there's just been so many changes, hasn't
Speaker 1: there Do you remember the Moose makeup? So are they
Speaker 1: still Moose Foundations? I'm sure someone's still.
Speaker 3: It was the very dewy jew And the thing is
Speaker 3: all of that, it's still in.
Speaker 1: None of it's you just still find it.
Speaker 3: I mean you can watch you know, your social media
Speaker 3: and your magazines, and you'll see different trends, but ultimately
Speaker 3: it's what looks best on you. Yeah, when you get
Speaker 3: to a certain you can play around and do all
Speaker 3: that stuff when you're younger, but when you get older
Speaker 3: you can have fun with your eyes. You know, if
Speaker 3: that's still you and you own that, it always works.
Speaker 3: But if you try and do something that doesn't suit
Speaker 3: you just because you're trying to be in fashion, you
Speaker 3: just just work.
Speaker 1: That's so true because it should be. It's a way
Speaker 1: for us to express ourselves, isn't it, and feel comfortable
Speaker 1: with ourselves, and we should be able to it shouldn't
Speaker 1: be hard and fast rules about it. But I think
Speaker 1: all of us probably got to a point where we went,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll just reassess what I'm doing here a little
Speaker 1: bit and without being judge, E, what is the biggest
Speaker 1: mistake you see on middle aged women?
Speaker 3: Is it the foundation, foundation, the texture of it, you know,
Speaker 3: the type of product they use and the color. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 3: the other big mistake and I'm not looking.
Speaker 1: At you two girls. I'm looking down at the counter.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's not wearing blush. Ah, all right, well, no,
Speaker 1: that's perfect because it's not that I wouldn't wear blush.
Speaker 1: It's that I don't know where to put it anymore
Speaker 1: because my cheekbones aren't the way they used to be.
Speaker 1: So and also, like my daughter puts it like way
Speaker 1: up here or and that's and that's a good place.
Speaker 3: You see, I've still got I've got high cheekbones, and
Speaker 3: and so mine it's almost like sort of slightly from
Speaker 3: the temple down under the eye, you're right, And and
Speaker 3: it depends on where your cheap bones are sitting, because
Speaker 3: obviously we used to be used to smile, but as
Speaker 3: you get older, you might smile, but then when you
Speaker 3: don't smile, your cheek's quite.
Speaker 1: In the same place, so you don't want your blush.
Speaker 3: So it's just a sort of along the upper cheek bone,
Speaker 3: across the cheekbone, so you can feel where your cheekbone is.
Speaker 3: So if you do not, if your cheekbone doesn't, you know,
Speaker 3: if you don't have that like high apple, then you'd
Speaker 3: just let it bleed blend off the se you're talking
Speaker 3: about right beside the eyes would be yeah, right.
Speaker 1: Right side sort of up yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fring Chesca has got high cheek bow so you
Speaker 3: can see.
Speaker 1: And then and then it leads into my bent. Then
Speaker 1: I've done it and then I'm like, oh no, it's
Speaker 1: now my grapes.
Speaker 3: It depends on again, you've got you've got a choice
Speaker 3: of you've got creams, you've got powders, you've got gels,
Speaker 3: and a lot of it is how you apply it.
Speaker 3: So sometimes having a blush brush, having the right brushes,
Speaker 3: like if you want to do fingers, you could just
Speaker 3: use a lipstick and tap it in there. And then
Speaker 3: it's all about pressure. So the more the harder you press,
Speaker 3: like if you have a brush, the more intense pigment
Speaker 3: transfer you're going to get. So start with very light
Speaker 3: motions and then you just get it and then you
Speaker 3: can push a little bit firmer until you get the color.
Speaker 3: But if you go jam brush straight into your face.
Speaker 3: And the size of the brush, so if you've got
Speaker 3: a brush that's you know as a bigger like a
Speaker 3: blush brush.
Speaker 1: Actually asked for a blush brush. It is the right size.
Speaker 3: So again, if you have a blush brush that's too
Speaker 3: big obviously going to cover too much of your face
Speaker 3: and not the area. If it's too small, you're going
Speaker 3: to take forever and then you're just going to get
Speaker 3: it a little bit, you know, not even.
Speaker 1: So, But again, there'd be someone who you could sort
Speaker 1: of ask advice. They can look at the size of
Speaker 1: you cheekbones and say this, yeah.
Speaker 3: Because you do get different size blush brushes.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I got sold in a shop the
Speaker 1: other day a while ago. I got sold in the shop.
Speaker 1: So I'm not wearing blash hairt. But I've got a
Speaker 1: little bit of contouring, yes, under yes, I think it's
Speaker 1: under the cheakbone. I think when you get older we
Speaker 1: should we be contouring like with Kardashians, or should we
Speaker 1: be doing it very Again, it all depends on your
Speaker 1: face shape. Okay.
Speaker 3: So if you've got a good high cheekbone, so good
Speaker 3: you know, cheakbone area, then yes, you can come all
Speaker 3: the way through. And actually I always find it's better
Speaker 3: to apply it sort of low along the lower yes,
Speaker 3: not in the hollow.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: And then there's you know a woman whose faces get
Speaker 3: a little bit more gaunt. Yep, you know, you've already
Speaker 3: probably losing from you don't want to make it look
Speaker 3: more shallow, So again you just come up to a
Speaker 3: smaller so wherever you can see your sort of cheekbone,
Speaker 3: just come through there and then.
Speaker 1: On top across across, okay, so along the bone. Okay.
Speaker 3: So I always find this is me personally when I work,
Speaker 3: and I always use like a bronzer, a mat bronze,
Speaker 3: and nothing too warm, nothing too cool. I mean, I
Speaker 3: use all differences, but for a client, if I was
Speaker 3: getting a client to do their own, I just use
Speaker 3: a bronzer, a soft bronzer. Starts softly. You can always
Speaker 3: make it a little bit deeper.
Speaker 1: And what I do is I go through the bottom
Speaker 1: of the bone, and it's almost straight.
Speaker 3: Across from the air, from the middle of the air across,
Speaker 3: and I then actually blended up and almost like a triangle.
Speaker 3: So it blends up more towards the temple and then
Speaker 3: narrows and then you just your blush goes over over
Speaker 3: top of it pretty much through through the top. So
Speaker 3: you just get a little bit of a shape because
Speaker 3: you want it to be subtle, you know, you want
Speaker 3: to I mean, when I love a clever makeup on
Speaker 3: social media and stuff, but half of that average woman
Speaker 3: can't be seen in daylight and it has not got
Speaker 3: unless you've got a filter or you're carrying some studio
Speaker 3: light around with it.
Speaker 1: And I say that still all the time. I say,
Speaker 1: I want to look like I'm low maintenance, but it
Speaker 1: actually is quite high maintenance to look maintenance.
Speaker 3: But you get faster. It's just it's practice. Yeah, So
Speaker 3: like I would just still do blush, but he said,
Speaker 3: you might find that you know a pellette that does
Speaker 3: lips and blush, and actually you can just put in
Speaker 3: a bit of blush on the eyelids. Is a really
Speaker 3: cheap way of making the eyes, especially you've got blue
Speaker 3: and green eyes, of making them pop without the whole
Speaker 3: shebang of of using eyeshadow and then just some scarra.
Speaker 3: I think brows are probably the thing that people, you know,
Speaker 3: if you're gonna, if you're gonna put the effort into
Speaker 3: putting makeup on and do something, make sure the brows
Speaker 3: look good.
Speaker 1: I don't know whether it was you or somebody else
Speaker 1: at TVNS many years ago, but we would always have
Speaker 1: to put When I went on to come and do breakfast,
Speaker 1: I was sort of put a bit of a base on.
Speaker 1: I'd attempt to do my own makeup and then and then,
Speaker 1: bless you and your team, you would sort of make
Speaker 1: me look more camera ready. Honestly, you girls will always
Speaker 1: just like brows. Frame the face, Francesca, let's get into
Speaker 1: those brows. Brows fameus, frame face. And I'm now passing
Speaker 1: that on to my sixteen year old daughter, who was
Speaker 1: fine and the Pennies. Dropping brows is so important.
Speaker 3: They really do, because if you don't have a nice
Speaker 3: brow and you've done anything else, it really stands out.
Speaker 1: So now, I mean, this is the million dollar question
Speaker 1: because brows also seem to be impacted by age. Obviously,
Speaker 1: my daughter's got the most luscious sort of brows. If
Speaker 1: you can't be bothered using a brow brush every single
Speaker 1: day or a color on your eyebrows, which is we've
Speaker 1: just gavered, I am but lazy. What's the best seemi
Speaker 1: permanent solution.
Speaker 3: Is it the micro relating or now this is I
Speaker 3: don't like teddy eyebrows, So I'm the worst person to
Speaker 3: ask because professionally I don't love it a tety brow
Speaker 3: because when I'm working someone, I want to be able
Speaker 3: to do what I want to do. Once someone's got
Speaker 3: a teddy.
Speaker 1: That's it's permanent. I can't. I can't, you know, Like
Speaker 1: if I'm.
Speaker 3: Working with models or working with something for a magazine,
Speaker 3: I want to be able to create what I need
Speaker 3: to create to create that look. But if someone's got
Speaker 3: a tattoo in there. And also I've seen some beautiful jobs,
Speaker 3: but they don't it doesn't seem to last. And everyone
Speaker 3: that does it is created equal as well, because I've
Speaker 3: seen some that have just messed up the shape of it,
Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, made the eyebrows lot, you know, made
Speaker 3: the eyes look closer together because I've come too far.
Speaker 3: And then I've seen someone they turned green and also
Speaker 3: you've got green eyebrows because the pigment change.
Speaker 1: It all depends.
Speaker 3: You've got to be really very careful and do a
Speaker 3: lot of work and have a lot a look of
Speaker 3: before and after. But again, it always looks good when
Speaker 3: you've gone to someone that's an expert, when it's been
Speaker 3: done two months down. Maybe not as much I'm as
Speaker 3: are not. I don't want to be putting people off,
Speaker 3: you know, try and stuff like that if it really
Speaker 3: works for them, you know, by all means. But I've
Speaker 3: I also found that, you know, people that have done
Speaker 3: it more than once the brows that they do.
Speaker 1: Have start to fall out.
Speaker 3: Now that's again, you know, that's something you talk to
Speaker 3: your the professional worth that occurring.
Speaker 1: But so maybe tinting, maybe tinting the way to go.
Speaker 3: But there's also products now like bulldlashes that bull brows.
Speaker 1: And my daughter bought me yourself for Christmas, and it does,
Speaker 1: and it does. I have seen really good results from it.
Speaker 1: I've got to be a little bit careful though, sometimes
Speaker 1: buying into those. You know, he's a lip gloss that's
Speaker 1: also going to pump up your lips. And I was
Speaker 1: in a large makeup store recently and I put a
Speaker 1: little bit on my finger and I tried it, and
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. Ten seconds later, I was emptying my
Speaker 1: handbag on the floor of the shop, trying to find
Speaker 1: an antihistamine as my lips started swelling like you wouldn't believe.
Speaker 1: I basically locked like I'd either one been punched in
Speaker 1: the lips or in the face or I just got
Speaker 1: really bad fillers. And it happened immediately, so you have
Speaker 1: an allergic reaction to it.
Speaker 3: I did it was it because sometimes they use like
Speaker 3: a cane or chili.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was one of those ones that they say,
Speaker 1: we're going to pump up the you know, the volume
Speaker 1: in your lips. Well it certainly did. They were huge.
Speaker 1: I mean I couldn't kind of palk on with my
Speaker 1: and of course my daughter's going, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: This is really embarrassing, and I'm like wiping it off
Speaker 1: my face as far as I got and taking pills
Speaker 1: in the shop, and I was like, you know, that
Speaker 1: was quite funny.
Speaker 3: Maybe those that take anti historg.
Speaker 1: I have heard of people sometimes having problems with the
Speaker 1: things that they put on their leshes and brows to
Speaker 1: grow them faster. My brows never really came back exactly
Speaker 1: the same after chemo, so and I totally like, I
Speaker 1: did all sorts of things to have brows when you're
Speaker 1: having chemo, because you sort of you can live with
Speaker 1: with the you know, losing your hair and maybe we're
Speaker 1: aweg or whatever. But the brows were quite hard. And actually,
Speaker 1: not that long ago, when I was having a big
Speaker 1: clear out, I found all of the what do you
Speaker 1: call those things the things that you put across to
Speaker 1: them fill in like a little stens like so I
Speaker 1: found all of that and I was like, maybe I
Speaker 1: should just use those again. Well, the thing is, some
Speaker 1: of those stances work really Yeah, They're quite good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so for people that are just you know,
Speaker 3: don't know what shape to make them, because I have
Speaker 3: a few clients who got really really fear or not
Speaker 3: many you know, eyebrows are fallen out as are really
Speaker 3: fun so and I will always rebuild the shape of
Speaker 3: their brows to look sicker and whatever, just with a
Speaker 3: pencil or powder or whatever. But yeah, there's all sorts
Speaker 3: of things. I'm great with Google because you can find
Speaker 3: and you know, if you're not spending too much money,
Speaker 3: But do youfinite need the brow hair growth. I'm a
Speaker 3: big fan of people. I have brows, and I think
Speaker 3: I've always had them. I just just only realized, and
Speaker 3: I don't know how many years ago that mine stick out.
Speaker 3: Kind of reminds me of my intermediate teacher.
Speaker 1: We used to call spock. But mine, well, they come
Speaker 1: out like the front, they stick out.
Speaker 3: I found some really good brow laminating gels, and Laurer
Speaker 3: Paris have a really amazing one. I'm just so gourb
Speaker 3: and I use a soap brow as well. Bay brow,
Speaker 3: which is like a gel and just helps flat and
Speaker 3: actually that can help thick. Can you make you if
Speaker 3: your slashes, lashes, eyebrows are long dish, then you can
Speaker 3: make them stand up higher to give that thicker browl lock.
Speaker 3: So it's really good for that. And then you can
Speaker 3: just sort of fill in the gaps lightly with a
Speaker 3: powder with a pencil. And again when you're using pencil,
Speaker 3: just use a really light touch and then use your
Speaker 3: spoolly on the back of it just to blend it in.
Speaker 1: But how do you know which color to use?
Speaker 3: Okay, so color, what you actually want is to go
Speaker 3: a couple shades lighter than your natural brow color.
Speaker 1: So if I if you have black brows, I'd go
Speaker 1: with a meat a brown. Oh.
Speaker 3: Yes, you want it to be lighter because when you're
Speaker 3: actually adding it in, it will darken as you apply it,
Speaker 3: so if you go over top of it. So if
Speaker 3: you have something that's too dark and you're you know,
Speaker 3: putting stroke after stroker is just.
Speaker 1: Going to get darker and darker.
Speaker 3: And you do not want to look like you don't
Speaker 3: want your brows to be the first thing you see
Speaker 3: when you walk into a room. Brows, Yeah, brows first,
Speaker 3: and so if you're really fair, then you go, you know,
Speaker 3: a couple shades darker.
Speaker 1: There's a theme appearing here. You've seen more than once,
Speaker 1: you know, start lighter and just keep applying. And actually
Speaker 1: that's so sensible, isn't that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you just you just don't go and go
Speaker 3: gun high with anything, just to you know, just do
Speaker 3: baby steps, baby steps.
Speaker 1: Here's a funny story about tenting. I tint my eyebrows
Speaker 1: and I do it at home because it's, you know,
Speaker 1: a affordable way of doing it. And I put it
Speaker 1: on one day and then I got a little bit
Speaker 1: distracted and something happened and I had to get into
Speaker 1: my phone and the facial recognition wasn't working. It was going,
Speaker 1: I do not recognize your face. I do not recognize
Speaker 1: your face. And I was like, why isn't my phone
Speaker 1: not recognizing my face? It's really weird. They're like, oh no,
Speaker 1: And about seven or eight minutes had passed, not two,
Speaker 1: and I realized that I had my very heavy dark
Speaker 1: tinted I die on my eyebrows, so they were particularly
Speaker 1: dark for a week or two. Yeah, I know, that
Speaker 1: was a that was quite lesson there. Lemon juice just
Speaker 1: pay attention to what they're doing, one thing at a time.
Speaker 1: You're listening to the little things in Our guest on
Speaker 1: the podcast today is make our Artist Lisa. That's and
Speaker 1: we'll be back shortly after this break. What do you
Speaker 1: make of the you know, the kids doing like the
Speaker 1: thirty five step type. Okay, just snuff it.
Speaker 3: That's just that's just that's a whole social media engagement thing, right,
Speaker 3: it is so unnecessary, and you know it just gets
Speaker 3: like artists, girl, oh god, you just don't need all
Speaker 3: of those steps to get you know, to.
Speaker 1: Get No, if you've got a teenage kid or somebody,
Speaker 1: you know, how do you how do you override that
Speaker 1: message with them? Because they're spending a lot of money
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 3: They have a side of it too, is that they've
Speaker 3: already now you know, the social media have now worked
Speaker 3: at all the algorithms that this that your daughter looks
Speaker 3: and only be sending that stuff so she won't even
Speaker 3: see the lighter the alternatives. But even then, if she
Speaker 3: likes the makeup, like Kim Kardashian, her makeup artist is
Speaker 3: really good, and actually they've they've stripped them right back
Speaker 3: to putting not much on like they do a little
Speaker 3: bit of a They do all their contouring first and
Speaker 3: then it's really light foundation. So it's it's just having
Speaker 3: a look at some of the other makeup artists that
Speaker 3: are doing the type of makeups and you see that
Speaker 3: their process is actually.
Speaker 1: It's not one hundred and one steps.
Speaker 3: You know, you can do the moisturis and they might
Speaker 3: do a primer based on you know, it might be
Speaker 3: something for the tea zone, your skins early, but actually
Speaker 3: it's not one hundred like, yeah, it's really I find
Speaker 3: it really sad because it's great, but it's not real
Speaker 3: life thing that looks particularly good. I mean, you still
Speaker 3: probably photograph get some good photos, but in real life
Speaker 3: when I see young girls in stores, half the time
Speaker 3: I got, oh god, no, you're you know, you're seventeen
Speaker 3: and you look about forty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all them, it's really really.
Speaker 3: Aging instead of just looking beautiful. And then they're going
Speaker 3: to you know, we get to look back as sales
Speaker 3: looking youthful and gorgey.
Speaker 1: They're going to look back and.
Speaker 3: Go, shit, I've missed that whole generation of looking famine young.
Speaker 1: I was always told growing up as well, and I
Speaker 1: think that this was a ploy that my mother had
Speaker 1: to not so that I didn't wear a huge amount
Speaker 1: of makeup when I was younger. She's always he's got
Speaker 1: to have a couple of days without, you know, makeup free.
Speaker 1: Does that beneficial to the skin?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, yes, and I in fact, I love the
Speaker 3: first thing I do when I get home is take
Speaker 3: my makeup off.
Speaker 1: I love the feeling of no makeup on.
Speaker 3: And even if I have clients that come to my home,
Speaker 3: you know, no matter who they are, if it's a
Speaker 3: weekend and I've said, you know, year, some people do
Speaker 3: you make up, I will always pretty much not have
Speaker 3: any makeup on. The first thing I say when I
Speaker 3: come to us, so apology's I'm having a makeup free
Speaker 3: day because you're coming to my home. So if I'm out,
Speaker 3: I'll make an effort. But if I'm at home, you know,
Speaker 3: I look at myself. I a good, good God in
Speaker 3: his mind. But it's really good for you too, I
Speaker 3: think to have breaks from wearing, you know, lots and
Speaker 3: lots of makeup.
Speaker 1: Can I throw a few quick fun of things at you?
Speaker 1: Just before we wrap up, Lisa, we spoke a lot
Speaker 1: about foundation is concealed the same in the use of it,
Speaker 1: making sure it's put on and moisturized area.
Speaker 3: So I always do conceal on top of the foundation foundation,
Speaker 3: and then you've got different concealers that work better for
Speaker 3: different areas. Soundly, you want something that's actually got a
Speaker 3: little bit of a you know, it's really very creamy.
Speaker 1: Yep. I'm not into sort of cake concealers under the eye.
Speaker 3: We're talking about our age group two, because we want
Speaker 3: things that are that are looking.
Speaker 1: I've just touched my face again, maker, I was just going,
Speaker 1: has my concealer all migrated to my wrinkles? That's what
Speaker 1: I use. A creamy.
Speaker 3: I like something that's got a bit of reflect in it.
Speaker 3: It's very soft, and I actually apply my concealer mainly
Speaker 3: just through you know, where you've got the little the
Speaker 3: darker crescent. So I all dotted on there and then
Speaker 3: I sort of dot it down the side of my
Speaker 3: face and then I come up along the cheekbane I
Speaker 3: don't apply it heavily through the outer area of the
Speaker 3: pie at all. And the trick is, you know, you
Speaker 3: dab it on and bitter dab with a brush because
Speaker 3: or if you use your fingers, you kind of lift
Speaker 3: a lot of that off. You can always go back
Speaker 3: with your finger and dab on if you think you've
Speaker 3: gone to heavy. But I just pat along there until
Speaker 3: I've kind of got the cover, and then I lightly
Speaker 3: pat with what's left on the brush along the bottom
Speaker 3: of the eye, and then I do you know that
Speaker 3: cheek area around the.
Speaker 1: Corners of noice.
Speaker 3: So when you're getting a concealer for under the eye,
Speaker 3: you want something like two to three shades lighter yep
Speaker 3: than your foundation. You can also look at if you
Speaker 3: if you have particularly dark you know, purple cresentce, you
Speaker 3: might want something with a slight orange space, or you
Speaker 3: can put something underneath it with the slight orange brush
Speaker 3: to help just color that through. I just yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: just I'm not big on on heavy. I only use
Speaker 3: it if you want to cover a spot. You want
Speaker 3: something that lasts, and so you want again something that's
Speaker 3: a little bit heavy, but you still don't want it, cakey.
Speaker 1: My last quick fire question for you is how do
Speaker 1: I stop lipstick from bleeding into the my lip lines?
Speaker 1: Can I do that or not?
Speaker 3: Well, there's a few options. Gel lip liners yep, they
Speaker 3: so they stay on. You also probably better off with
Speaker 3: a matte lipstick. Over anything that's creamy. You could put
Speaker 3: a gloss, but you just want to put it through,
Speaker 3: dab it with your ring finger, just through the middle
Speaker 3: of your mouth, not hole lip. Or you could always
Speaker 3: try some sort of lip sealant lip seal it. I
Speaker 3: don't know what we have in New Zealand. I buy
Speaker 3: mine from overseas. You can just three Amazon or online.
Speaker 3: There's Meron have a good one, and there's one also cold.
Speaker 3: Oh haven't let me have a lot?
Speaker 1: Hang on?
Speaker 3: I love I just I wrote it just because you might,
Speaker 3: just in case, because this is something that I get
Speaker 3: asked all the time, and it's called made in a
Speaker 3: bottle and I actually use it on a client and
Speaker 3: so that one you have to get on overseas as well.
Speaker 3: I have and that stays on. So it's kind of
Speaker 3: like a long weird lipstick. But the only trouble with
Speaker 3: when you're doing like a sealant or long weir, because
Speaker 3: obviously you have the choice of long wear, is that
Speaker 3: it as really drying. You know, if you keep using
Speaker 3: it over and over again, your lips are stuck in dry.
Speaker 3: So you have to compensate that by putting balms on
Speaker 3: at night when you go to sleep.
Speaker 1: It's just nice lipstick again, and for it to stay
Speaker 1: on and not worry about it anyway. That they're all
Speaker 1: my self serving questions. I just want to know a
Speaker 1: BB cream still a thing and what are they for? Well,
Speaker 1: they are more for balancing out your skin tone. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you'll get different different shades based on your and
Speaker 1: and they all they're different.
Speaker 3: So they act like a sort of like a tinted moisturizer.
Speaker 3: Will they will have different benefits and so if you've
Speaker 3: got a reddish skin, they might have one with an
Speaker 3: undertone and redness. Or if you've got sallow skin, so
Speaker 3: then they normally skin perfectors.
Speaker 1: Okay, because I was using one and then somebody would
Speaker 1: say to me later in the day, oh you've got something,
Speaker 1: and it was all when it went on, and then
Speaker 1: it went powder in white later, so maybe I just
Speaker 1: need to try it.
Speaker 3: Well, probably just maybe one for people that need that
Speaker 3: want their skin to be a little bit paler, a
Speaker 3: little bit more like it really depends, like that is
Speaker 3: something that maybe Korean or Chinese skin tones k face, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I forgot about that, so you know, it depends what
Speaker 3: the product is and who who's it's targeted for and error.
Speaker 1: You've got that on a sample. That's such a great
Speaker 1: piece of advice as samples. So my other quick fire
Speaker 1: question is I do engage a bit of social media myself,
Speaker 1: and I have seen this thing of women as a
Speaker 1: rich in middle age and even younger taking their peach
Speaker 1: fuzz off their faces, you know, facial hair, facial hair
Speaker 1: fac and I've just wondered whether it's healthy, whether it's
Speaker 1: a good idea.
Speaker 3: Doesn't think you make up well, it makes you make
Speaker 3: it look amazing, right because without that the fuzz, your
Speaker 3: foundation just sits beautifully on the skin so it doesn't
Speaker 3: grab in the hair, and which sometimes can highlight that
Speaker 3: because ultimately it's in the different lights. It's whether you
Speaker 3: really care where people see you in different light and
Speaker 3: you sometimes don't even see the hair.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot more than just the each
Speaker 1: of us here.
Speaker 3: We have to worry about it at the stage, isn't
Speaker 3: that girls? So you know, if you're not pulling those out,
Speaker 3: or you can go and do the derma planing. You
Speaker 3: can now you can buy those blades I think from
Speaker 3: farmers is like chemistweehouse and stuff, or you can get
Speaker 3: it done professionally, and when they do it professionally, you're
Speaker 3: actually taking sort of dead skin off as well.
Speaker 1: Dead skin cell.
Speaker 3: Actually makes your skin look quite amazing from what has
Speaker 3: been said from professionals. My sister she does a parents
Speaker 3: medicine and she does that process and she swears that
Speaker 3: your hair doesn't come back thicker. You're not going to
Speaker 3: end up with a bed or look like your husband
Speaker 3: or you know whatever. So we just hope we take
Speaker 3: her I take her word as gospel, but I actually
Speaker 3: use I have a little rotating blade. It's just a
Speaker 3: little facial one. It's like something fifty something dollars that
Speaker 3: I've got from farmers. It lasts about a year or
Speaker 3: two and then you've got to get a new one.
Speaker 3: The blades there and I just do that just to
Speaker 3: just over anywhere where I can see a little bit
Speaker 3: of longer hair.
Speaker 1: And I will just use that as well just to.
Speaker 3: Look well, yes, above your love anywhere, down the side
Speaker 3: of your face anywhere. And sometimes I'll just even use
Speaker 3: it just above my temple with my you know, just
Speaker 3: and like nothing's ever. And I've been doing that for
Speaker 3: about I don't know, two or three years, and nothing's
Speaker 3: nothing's come grown back more. What's it called to it
Speaker 3: just saying you know I haven't yeah, great.
Speaker 1: So what was that called? I can't remember.
Speaker 3: It's a rever one thing. It's just I have no
Speaker 3: Now you ask me the hard questions. I didn't look
Speaker 3: that way.
Speaker 1: It's some of the makeup.
Speaker 3: But you can you can.
Speaker 1: Well you just if you just google here removal, you should.
Speaker 1: It should come up.
Speaker 3: And I've got mine from Farmers. I'm pretty sure it
Speaker 3: was a little rev It's this teeny tiny little thing.
Speaker 3: It has a little light so if you're using your
Speaker 3: times tender, you can see what you're doing, what you're
Speaker 3: taking off. And it was I think it was about
Speaker 3: fifty nine dollars.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good from you.
Speaker 3: And and again you've got to get a couple of
Speaker 3: years out of that and you just replace it.
Speaker 1: And this is what you call micro bleeding.
Speaker 3: Well, no blade, dem blading is like a blade.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So I feel for those that maybe with the shaky
Speaker 3: coffee hens you might be better off with the with
Speaker 3: the little machine I see, and you can get different ones,
Speaker 3: but this one's tiny, tiny, like can fit in your pocket,
Speaker 3: so it does make a massive difference.
Speaker 1: I much prefer that idea to bleaching a moor or
Speaker 1: using other to get electrochemicals.
Speaker 3: You can get electronic yeah right, but that is that
Speaker 3: is painful, but.
Speaker 1: These are now more accessible for more womens.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, So this is just on a daily but
Speaker 3: if you really wanted to get rid of any of that,
Speaker 3: it's elctrolysis and you'd have to go quite a few
Speaker 3: times to actually but it was. It permanently removes any
Speaker 3: facial hair.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Okay, all right, I'm to look into that
Speaker 1: and very quickly. Miscara, What is the best kind of
Speaker 1: mascara to use and what is the best way of
Speaker 1: getting it off?
Speaker 3: Well, again, it's it depends on your eyes, your eyes shape, what.
Speaker 1: Sort of lashes you have.
Speaker 3: If you're using your less sherms and stuff, you can
Speaker 3: just use a normal misca because there's so many choices
Speaker 3: of muscara and you know, with different brush sizes and
Speaker 3: different formulations, and ultimately it's what what you want if
Speaker 3: you want the thicker, longer lashes than you might you know,
Speaker 3: I always I again, Laurel Press have a massive rage
Speaker 3: and I always just get said, you know, how.
Speaker 1: Come they've got so many?
Speaker 3: Because no one person wants the same thing, and you
Speaker 3: know they have teny tiny brushes, you know, so that,
Speaker 3: like the telescope is great because it's easy if you
Speaker 3: have you know, you've got trouble with seeing. You're not
Speaker 3: having this big brush come towards your face and it
Speaker 3: gives length. But for me, I like, I don't have
Speaker 3: the longest lashes anymore, but I religiously kill them every
Speaker 3: day and found that standard mascarras will not hold a kill.
Speaker 3: And the only way I can get that killed to
Speaker 3: hold in when I'm working on fashion shows or anything
Speaker 3: like that is with a waterproof mascara. But the other
Speaker 3: side of you, is it a waterproof muscara is it's
Speaker 3: not necessarily very good on your lashes wearing that on
Speaker 3: a daily but I don't. But I use a cleanser
Speaker 3: that takes it off easily, so like an oil based cleanser.
Speaker 3: I think Laura Paris have a really good waterproof make
Speaker 3: it Move it does. Also long Whee lipstock. Neutu Gena
Speaker 3: had a really good one. Or you can go with
Speaker 3: something like a Dermalogica, have a pre cleanse oil, or
Speaker 3: even just cleansers with an oil base, or you could
Speaker 3: just try olive oil or viotamine e oil at home,
Speaker 3: but you have to break that down first before you
Speaker 3: clean it off with a flannel or anything. You need
Speaker 3: to multify that. And that's just like coming underneath with
Speaker 3: your finger or cotton cotton pad and just almost bring
Speaker 3: it up under your top lash and bottom lash and
Speaker 3: closing your eyes on it and just rotating it slowly
Speaker 3: to break it down.
Speaker 1: Because a lot of people's letting your eyelash just sit
Speaker 1: on it and then it would just.
Speaker 3: Rub the top and they wonder why they have transfer
Speaker 3: the next day.
Speaker 1: It does.
Speaker 3: Under and breaking it down, okay, And that's what you
Speaker 3: need to do. But also using like an oil based
Speaker 3: remover or products. I always find that that actually helps
Speaker 3: with your lashes too. It probably does just the health
Speaker 3: of your lashes. And also you know a lot of
Speaker 3: you know, Korean mascaras and are also very good for
Speaker 3: holding the curl because it's no point curling your lashes
Speaker 3: just for having to drop because some scara is a
Speaker 3: little bit too wet. But that's that's what works for
Speaker 3: me and then my other and we're talking about mascara.
Speaker 3: The other thing that I see with a lot of
Speaker 3: people get you know, the Pandora's or the smudging which
Speaker 3: happens when your lids drop, your lashes drop and they
Speaker 3: sit on the lower lash, lower eye area, which is
Speaker 3: quite an oily surface anyway, And that's using a tube mascara.
Speaker 3: So my favorite is that Kevin Quam volume of scara
Speaker 3: they do curling one turn. I use that for all
Speaker 3: my weddings or anyone that has problems with mascara transfer,
Speaker 3: and that just comes off with water. It's like a
Speaker 3: little tube, but there's no smudging.
Speaker 1: What's or ever? Was that? It's amazing? Yeah. I've had
Speaker 1: problems with blissypherritis and prone to stars, so I learned
Speaker 1: very early to either not wear it or if I
Speaker 1: wear it, to take it off. But I'm just wondering
Speaker 1: about those thirty five step teenagers. Are they doing the
Speaker 1: same putting the same effort to taking it all off?
Speaker 1: I hope, So, I hope, So you know, you want
Speaker 1: they need to. We didn't have that much stuff, so
Speaker 1: you know they might find it our age. They have
Speaker 1: no lashes or eyebrows or anything left at all. So
Speaker 1: I would, yeah, I definitely would make sure that the
Speaker 1: cleansing is just so important and never let never let
Speaker 1: your teenager go to bed with full makeup on that.
Speaker 1: It's going to be happening all over at universities right now,
Speaker 1: I suspect. So, Lisa, we've spoken about, you know, when
Speaker 1: you're looking for something, talk about to ask for something
Speaker 1: that suits your requirements. As you say, I'd like I'd
Speaker 1: like a lighter foundation, I'd like a creamier concealer. Potentially,
Speaker 1: are there any brand recmdations though, or is it just
Speaker 1: a matter of going in and grabbing as many samples
Speaker 1: or trying things as possible. It is a bit of
Speaker 1: a trial era.
Speaker 3: And the only reason I say that is because what
Speaker 3: works on my skin may not work on your skin,
Speaker 3: may not work on your skin. So there's a lot
Speaker 3: of brands out there and going into somewhere like Mecca
Speaker 3: or even Farmers. You know, Mecca probably have also for
Speaker 3: or probably have more experienced. The staff have been trained
Speaker 3: a little bit more into actual products and things. Again,
Speaker 3: a lot of them are half your age, so potentially
Speaker 3: may not look for the oldest one in there.
Speaker 1: Advice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, and that's the thing, that's why
Speaker 3: you want to take it home, That's why you do
Speaker 3: not want to buy based on someone else's opinions because
Speaker 3: they do not know your skin, and you just really
Speaker 3: have to it's a trial in air.
Speaker 1: But the main thing is get your dirty little mets
Speaker 1: off your face.
Speaker 3: And you're probably and as long as you've got the
Speaker 3: right color, it will last a lot better.
Speaker 1: Or you get yourself a prime to help last a
Speaker 1: bit longer. But yeah, Lisa, even though I feel like
Speaker 1: I've been told off a little bit, it has been
Speaker 1: wonderful to catch up with you and have you in here,
Speaker 1: and you've given us some hope that you know, we
Speaker 1: can still you know, find good products and feel fabulous
Speaker 1: and where whatever we want. And of course John, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's gone. Me feel enthusiastic about it again, you know.
Speaker 1: And those tips and tricks are just clever. I've got
Speaker 1: a very long shopping list.
Speaker 3: Now just make it work for you, whatever's easy for you,
Speaker 3: so you know, when you go in to see someone
Speaker 3: and make it said, Look, I have five minutes every day.
Speaker 3: That's as much as I want to, but I want
Speaker 3: to make more of an effort. Do you have something
Speaker 3: that you know, like, like I said, the poddles that
Speaker 3: do blush lipstick and whatever one you know, the less
Speaker 3: you have to do the less products you have to use,
Speaker 3: the faster it will get done. And then it's just
Speaker 3: a little bit of practice and that mirror and that
Speaker 3: times ten mirror girls at times ten mirror.
Speaker 1: Yep, awesome, thank you so much. Welcome. Well that was fun.
Speaker 1: That was really fun fun. She's so nice. Ah, she's amazing,
Speaker 1: and I am just really good basic taps, right, But
Speaker 1: they're so funny because the things that I think you've nailed,
Speaker 1: do you suddenly go, oh, yeah, not quite. I was
Speaker 1: starting from a zero, but I haven't nailed anything. I
Speaker 1: can't even put glass on without telling me that someone
Speaker 1: telling me it's on my teeth. But then I just
Speaker 1: love the fact that we're all just creatures of habit, right.
Speaker 1: We just wear the same thing, do the same thing,
Speaker 1: and often kind of wonder why things don't get better.
Speaker 1: But I think what Lisa said was really interesting about
Speaker 1: products are always changing, so when you finish something, actually
Speaker 1: go in and be a bit more adventurous about it.
Speaker 1: Test things, fine samples, give it a whirl. I thought
Speaker 1: the mascara talk was really interesting about keeping the curl
Speaker 1: the cool, but also how to get it off. I
Speaker 1: can never get it off. No, that weren't really constantly
Speaker 1: removing makeup from underwey. And that's why I don't just
Speaker 1: put all God been whacking over my mind right around.
Speaker 1: I don't just transferring it. But I'm just transferring any
Speaker 1: so many little great pieces of advice. I can't even
Speaker 1: remember them all off the top of my head, but
Speaker 1: I have been sitting here making a shopping list of
Speaker 1: you know, it's not going to cost me. They is
Speaker 1: a bit like when we did the skin care thing.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be sensible about it and just get
Speaker 1: that get that mirror. Yeah yeah, get the mirror, and
Speaker 1: get some decent eyelash curlers. Give that another crack because
Speaker 1: they scare me a little bit. And work on just
Speaker 1: practice at home, have some fun with it, you know,
Speaker 1: practice a home about the way to put my blush
Speaker 1: and stuff. I see women who are perfectly made up
Speaker 1: all the time, and I just think, have you you know,
Speaker 1: they may they probably haven't spent heaps of time on it.
Speaker 1: They've just done it enough times. And that's the habit
Speaker 1: I need to get into. And it was also interesting
Speaker 1: hearing Lisa say, I say, look, why can some woman
Speaker 1: look amazing without makeup? And we went away at the
Speaker 1: end of Jam beginning of feb and it had a
Speaker 1: week down in sort of a central New Zealand of
Speaker 1: the North Island, and I did not wear makeup or
Speaker 1: look after my hair or anything for a week. I
Speaker 1: swim in a lake and I walked and had such
Speaker 1: a heavy time. I look like whoozlegammage by the end
Speaker 1: of the week. You know how some women look like
Speaker 1: they're just without makeup. They look so natural and fresh
Speaker 1: and gorgeous. I locked a Paul. I'd had a week off,
Speaker 1: week off, relaxing, having a lovely time, and I'm finishing
Speaker 1: into it. I look myself, went, oh, but it's all
Speaker 1: about the skin. Yeah, anything. Women who have great don't
Speaker 1: have pigment or have great skin or really moisturize in
Speaker 1: a really lovely skin tone. And I think too, we
Speaker 1: must remember lucky things, you But even though we don't,
Speaker 1: we're not having a cycle of zits and things anymore. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we still will have changes. We'll still have rosacea or
Speaker 1: or something else. So you know, the environment's not freely
Speaker 1: to us. So give yourself a break, and also just
Speaker 1: think about how much your skin enjoyed not having any
Speaker 1: makeup on it a week. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining us on our New Zealand Herald podcast series, The
Speaker 1: Little Things. We hope you shared this podcast with the
Speaker 1: women in your life so they all know how to
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