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Speaker 1: Police Commissioner Richard Chambers has given the green lights for

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Speaker 1: police to use body cameras. He's asked a senior team

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Speaker 1: member to look into options for the scheme over the

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Speaker 1: next year. Chris Carhill, the Police Association President, with us

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Speaker 1: this morning. Good morning, Chris, Good morning, Ryan. Now jury's

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Speaker 1: out on evidence. Is it whether these things will make

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Speaker 1: a massive difference or do you think they will?

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Speaker 2: The massive difference is certainly out. It hasn't had quite

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Speaker 2: the extent of change that you would think around the world.

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Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean we're not positive on them. We

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Speaker 2: still think they make it a difference. It's worth finding

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Speaker 2: out the real benefits of by using them.

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Speaker 1: What about the cost There was talk there were about

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Speaker 1: one thousand bucks apart, but that's the easy part. Then

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Speaker 1: you've got to store the data and all of that

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Speaker 1: stuff's expensive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some real fish ups. Obviously there's the cost

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Speaker 2: to actually get them, but it's the data stores that

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Speaker 2: really causes the problem. And around the world there's been

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Speaker 2: a number of forces who have actually started to withdraw

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Speaker 2: them because of the extra cost that they simply don't

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Speaker 2: have the budget for. And I think are the biggest

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Speaker 2: us to decide New Zealand is what are we going

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Speaker 2: to store how long are we going to store it for?

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Speaker 2: And then who will have access to it or to

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Speaker 2: be available to under an Official Information Act request? Could

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Speaker 2: the media get everything they want or will it be

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Speaker 2: restricted to court?

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Speaker 1: Because what is the It's a huge risk to take.

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Speaker 1: What is the problem that they are solving? Do you

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Speaker 1: think is it a lack of trust? Do you think

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Speaker 1: enough New Zealanders don't trust what a police officer says anymore,

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Speaker 1: so they need a body camera?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the problem is that around the world

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Speaker 2: are so prevalent now that you sort of start to

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Speaker 2: become the outlier and people think that why have we

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Speaker 2: not got them? I mean, certainly when everyone else is

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Speaker 2: recording police on phones and then producing limited footage that

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Speaker 2: shows things in a certain light. The advantage of having

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Speaker 2: the full story is there for officers. It just clears

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Speaker 2: up those disputed incidents a lot less complaints or complaints

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Speaker 2: resolved a lot quicker, and you can get a variety

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Speaker 2: of them, so you can get ones that only one

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Speaker 2: within ten meters any other officer. The camera goes on

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Speaker 2: as well, so you get different angles which can tell

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Speaker 2: a different story. So there are several benefits there, but

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Speaker 2: as I say that with some flesh shocks, and the

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Speaker 2: obvious one is the cost. And when you've got pre stations,

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Speaker 2: you know, literally closing because they're not up to standard,

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Speaker 2: you have to then decide what's so priorty.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate your time. Chris Carhild, the Police Association President, with

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Speaker 1: that this morning. For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge,

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