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Speaker 1: Pressing the newspakers to get the real story. It's hither

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Speaker 1: duplicy Ellen, drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 2: You stop, said b.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Coming up on the show, Darlene Tan has taken

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Speaker 3: legal action to stop the Green Party kicking her out

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Speaker 3: of Parliament. There is a court hearing tomorrow. This is

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Speaker 3: just breaking right now, so we'll get you across all

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Speaker 3: the details. Got big problems with the NCAA. Looks like

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Speaker 3: thousands of kids have failed those exams that they sort

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Speaker 3: of need to pass if they want to get NCEEA.

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Speaker 3: We're going to speak to a principal and Oasis is reuniting,

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Speaker 3: but will they come to New Zealand. We will speak

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Speaker 3: to Eden Park's boss.

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Speaker 1: Hither duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Let me start by saying that Tony Wakeland, the county's

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Speaker 3: madecow cop, was one hundred percent correct when he called

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Speaker 3: out those people filming dead bodies after the crash on

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Speaker 3: they were disgusting for what they did, and he is right.

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Speaker 3: But while he's right, I think that we all need

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Speaker 3: to accept that this is not going to be the

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Speaker 3: last time that we see this kind of thing happening.

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Speaker 3: In fact, it's not even the first time. I mean

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Speaker 3: good people, they have good values. But there are clearly

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Speaker 3: And while I respect what Tony Wakelan was saying yesterday,

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Speaker 3: There will always be crappy people in the world who

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Speaker 3: We can't stop them putting the stuff online, right, it's

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Speaker 3: christ Church callers a complete failure. That was the whole

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Speaker 3: point of that thing, was to stop people putting stuff

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Speaker 3: on the Internet that we don't like. Hasn't work. People

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Speaker 3: even if you could police the Internet, they just go

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Speaker 3: only thing that we can do, really, and I've said

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Speaker 3: only thing that we can do is choose what we

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Speaker 3: We cannot have a chief censor anymore. They cannot stop

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Speaker 3: We've got to police what we consume on the Internet,

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Speaker 3: do is choose what you look at. Ever do for

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Speaker 3: ce Ellen Jander Texti's apply and the number, by the

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Speaker 3: way is nine two ninety two now Health New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Health New Zealand has started a new round of restructuring.

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Speaker 3: It's asking for voluntary redundancies from anyone working in health administration,

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Speaker 3: of staff to save money. Nurses Organization Chief executive Paul

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Speaker 4: Hey, Paul, Yeah, good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Do we know how many they may cut in this

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Speaker 4: No, no, we don't, which is one of the unfortunate

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, I mean, we'll probably disagree about whether the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's the that's the feedback we've been getting

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Speaker 4: do the rest of the work we have to leave behind?

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Speaker 4: So there's real knock on effects in this sort of thing.

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Speaker 4: And that's the sort of thing that should have been

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Speaker 3: But do you guys want to have a say on it?

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Speaker 4: Well, the proposition has always comes from the employer, But

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Speaker 4: basically there are consultation clauses inside the collective agreements which

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Speaker 4: require the employer to bring their proposal to the table

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Speaker 4: ultimately a proposal will emerge, which will be the employer's proposal,

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Speaker 4: and ultimately it's their decision. But working through that process

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Speaker 4: is way better understanding that what's going on. Chance to say,

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Speaker 4: maybe as an employee got it.

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Speaker 3: Wrong, Paul, but I mean with respect, Well, while I

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Speaker 3: do totally understand that you guys want to have to say,

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Speaker 3: if they have to consult with every single union that

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Speaker 3: months because it's you guys, it's the doctors, it's the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well they should have thought about that when they

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Speaker 3: But is the agreement. Is that clause in the agreement

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Speaker 3: not pertaining to consultation with the affected union, not every

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Speaker 4: I can only speak obviously for ended no, and he

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Speaker 4: definitely have that clause, and I understand that's common to

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Speaker 4: the others. But we will be affected by the proposal.

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Speaker 4: There's no doubt at all about that. And so we

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Speaker 3: Does your so do your contracts your collective agreements say

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Speaker 3: on redundancies that affect nurses, but on redundancies that affect

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Speaker 4: Nurse it's affected by is the test and I think

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Speaker 3: Paul. Can you assure me that you guys are not

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Speaker 3: just being difficult to make life difficult for a center

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Speaker 3: right government that you don't support, because this just feels

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 4: I think enforcing or having your contractful obligations in the

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Speaker 3: Paul, listen, Thank you very much. I really appreciate I actually, Paul,

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Speaker 3: before I let you go, do you know anything about

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Speaker 3: what's going on here with the HDU department in Wellington?

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Speaker 4: Sorry, I just you just dropped out HDU partners.

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Speaker 4: No, no, I don't know. I'm sorry, I know this

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Speaker 3: You're not expected to know everything. Thank you very much, Paul.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciated Paul Goalter from the New Zealand Nurses Organization.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to run you through what we do know

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Speaker 3: the bosses at Health New Zealand when you hear about this.

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Speaker 3: Listen on the situation that's just emerging now. The Greens

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Speaker 3: It was a last minute press conference that they called.

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Speaker 3: Chloe Swarbrick was there in Ricardo men Indez March talking

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Speaker 5: We received an email from lawyers representing Darlene Tanner notifying

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Speaker 5: us that they had lodged proceedings and the High Court

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Speaker 5: seeking through to share review of the Green Party. Myself

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Speaker 5: and Sionagil Martam and Davidson as co leaders and Cony Hitter.

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Speaker 3: Our governing council and there's more.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday evening.

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Speaker 5: At approximately five twenty five, we received further notice that

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Speaker 5: an application for an interim injunction had been filed at

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Speaker 5: the Auckland High Court, seeking in order that the planned

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Speaker 3: Now that meeting on Sunday is being called basically not

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Speaker 3: just basic like it actually is being called to discuss

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Speaker 5: What I can say is that in the next kind

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Speaker 5: tomorrow morning, we will have more to share with all

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Speaker 5: of you, And I want to be really clear that

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Speaker 5: share all of the information in due course. Right now,

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Speaker 5: a lot of that information is subject confidentiality and legal advice.

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Speaker 3: Right we will get you across the Sparrisope is going

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Speaker 3: to be with us in around about half an hour's time.

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Speaker 3: Right now, it's sixteen past four.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duplic Alan

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Speaker 1: Drive with one New Zealand one giant leaf for business

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Speaker 1: use Dogs b Sport with the new tab app downloaded

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Speaker 1: today RI eighteen bed responsibly right.

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Speaker 3: This is the situation with Wellington Regional Hospital. Okay, Wellington

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Speaker 3: Regional Hospital is currently building a high Dependency unit HDU.

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Speaker 3: It's got twelve beds now. High dependency unit is a

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Speaker 3: really important thing because when somebody comes out of ICU

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Speaker 3: you're you're kind of you're almost sick, you're dying, and

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Speaker 3: then that's for ICU, and then the ward is for

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Speaker 3: your totally well, you're not you're most you're not going

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Speaker 3: to die on us any minute, right, And the HDU

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Speaker 3: is that interim step where they're like, oh yeah, sort

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Speaker 3: of getting better, but we're just a little bit worried

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Speaker 3: about you. They are building this thing. They have not

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Speaker 11: to have the nuclear codes, you should be able to

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Speaker 11: answer some questions. And now it's happening on Thursday night

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Speaker 11: at nine pm Eastern time in the US, both Harris

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Speaker 11: and her running mate Tim Waltz will be doing an

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Speaker 11: interview with CNN with the presenter Dana Bash. And yeah,

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Speaker 11: it'll be fascinating to see how she deals with questions about,

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Speaker 11: you know, what separates her from President Joe Biden and

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Speaker 11: how she shifted her position on issues such as healthcare

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Speaker 11: and immigration. For example, what does she think about Donald

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Speaker 11: Trump's wall? And obviously a whole range of foreign policy

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Speaker 11: is use from Gaza to Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: How do you expect Diana Besh to be I mean,

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Speaker 3: is she going to go hard or what do you expect?

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Speaker 8: I'd say sort of middling.

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Speaker 11: I think I watch her quite a lot on Sunday

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Speaker 11: shows on TV, and she's a widely respected journalist, been

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Speaker 11: at CNN for quite a long time. But she does

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Speaker 11: not have a reputation as a tough as a super

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Speaker 11: tough sort of bruiser interrogator.

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Speaker 8: She's not sort of infamous for that.

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Speaker 11: So I think she'll be it should be hard but fair,

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Speaker 11: and certainly on these occasions, like with the debates, she

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Speaker 11: will be scrutinized in terms of, you know, did she

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Speaker 11: go in hard enough, did she ask the right questions?

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Speaker 8: It's a it's a pressured.

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Speaker 11: Moment for the for the interviewer as well as the interviewees.

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Speaker 3: David, what do you make of her bringing in Tim Waltz?

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Speaker 3: Is that smart because it feels like she's bringing him

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Speaker 3: in as cover.

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Speaker 11: Certainly, I think critics will say that, and I was

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Speaker 11: reading some reports that say, once this since you is done,

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Speaker 11: she will be under immediate pressure to do a solo interview.

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Speaker 11: But in the first instance, it sort of makes sense,

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Speaker 11: I think, in that they work well together as a ticket,

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Speaker 11: they're seen as complimentary. Just in general, the Harris campaign

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Speaker 11: is trying to present an image to the nation which

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Speaker 11: includes not only her as you know, a California Liberals

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Speaker 11: they're perceived and obviously as a woman from color.

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Speaker 8: They've a woman of color.

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Speaker 11: They've really balanced that with this kind of Midwestern dad

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Speaker 11: who's a football coach and a bit more old fashioned

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Speaker 11: and appealing to certain demographics. And it's probably logical for

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Speaker 11: them to present them as a package, not least.

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Speaker 8: Because as vice president.

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Speaker 11: You know, there are still some people who don't know

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Speaker 11: that much about Kamala Harris, but there are even more

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Speaker 11: people who don't know anything about.

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Speaker 3: Criticism is that she's acting like she's scared people aren't

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Speaker 3: gonna like her.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think you will certainly hear that from Republicans

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Speaker 11: and right wing media, and it will be interesting to

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Speaker 11: with most of the questions, is he kind of looking

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Speaker 11: on or does he chip.

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Speaker 8: In at times?

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Speaker 11: And yeah, we will then see the post mortems in

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Speaker 11: terms of you know, how she came over and you

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Speaker 11: know what was he assisting in that but yeah, I

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Speaker 11: think certainly there will then be pressure for her to

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Speaker 11: go solo as well.

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Speaker 3: David, what do we have any idea what Mike Zuckerberg

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Speaker 3: was talking about, what the content was that he said

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Speaker 3: he was pressured to take off Facebook.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, this is Zuckerberg talking on Tuesday about president and the

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Speaker 11: US government sense of posts us to be about coronavirus.

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Speaker 11: And you know, he says, the Biden administration repeatedly pressured

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Speaker 11: his teams at Facebook to sense of certain COVID nineteen

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Speaker 11: content to including humor and satire. And he's not given

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Speaker 11: that much more detail about specific posts, but we're talking

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Speaker 11: about millions of pieces of information which he now regrets.

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Speaker 8: He says, you know, Facebook.

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Speaker 11: Should have spoken out earlier, and the consequence of this

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Speaker 11: is that there'll be less control of information or misinformation

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Speaker 11: at times during the coming election.

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Speaker 3: I'd love to know what it was, David. Thank you

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Speaker 3: very much, Really appreciate your time as always. David Smith,

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Speaker 3: Guardian's Washington Bureau Chief. Hither, I'm a nineties young adult.

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Speaker 3: Couldn't see the point of oasis then even less so

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Speaker 3: now wouldn't see them. If it was free, mate, I

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Speaker 3: would fly to the UK to see them. What planet

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Speaker 3: are you on?

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Speaker 12: This is?

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Speaker 3: This is a time sixteen away from.

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Speaker 3: Certainy very so bou sing your political correspondence with us,

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Speaker 3: Barry Hello.

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Speaker 13: Good afternoon, Heathern.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 3: So would you rate the chances of Darlien being able

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Speaker 3: to stop this with a judicial review in court?

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Speaker 13: Well, well, she may be able to stop initially the

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Speaker 13: meeting that's going to take place this weekend. What they

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Speaker 13: want is a review of the Green's decision. Now that

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Speaker 13: could take some considerable time if they have to go

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Speaker 13: through it line by line. But I doubt that the

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Speaker 13: court will choose that because it's easy to facilitate a

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Speaker 13: walker jumping legislation, which is what this weekend meeting was

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Speaker 13: all about, to give the go ahead to.

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Speaker 8: Do that or otherwise.

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Speaker 13: But I'll tell you what Chloe's Forbrick was quite clear

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Speaker 13: that it's a proportionality issue and Darleen Tana has no

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Speaker 13: place in parliament polism.

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Speaker 5: What we are talking about as somebody who currently occupies

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Speaker 5: a seat in our parliament that was earned by the

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Speaker 5: three hundred and thirty thousand New Zealanders who voted for

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Speaker 5: the Green Party. At this most recent election, those New

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Speaker 5: Zealanders voted for our principles and our values and our policies,

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Speaker 5: and we very strongly are of the view and our

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Speaker 5: caucus has taken the unprecedented stance of requesting unanimously the

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Speaker 5: resignation of Darlingana on the basis that they have completely

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Speaker 5: demonstrated and undermining of those very values and principles.

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Speaker 13: And my view here that what Darlingana has done by

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Speaker 13: taking this legal action is ensured that once this is

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Speaker 13: cleared out of the way, then that walk at jumping

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Speaker 13: legislation will be invoked and she'll be out of parliament.

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Speaker 3: Barry this little this issue of Chris Luxen saying that

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Speaker 3: Maori that Ewee leaders did seed sovereignty when they signed

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Speaker 3: the Treaty of Whitean's becoming a bit of a problem

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Speaker 3: for re may.

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Speaker 13: Well, look, it's been a debate, it's been debated for

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Speaker 13: many year years of course, whether they did seed sovereignty.

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Speaker 13: And I remember them in Parliament last week it was

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Speaker 13: under a number of questions that were asked to them

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Speaker 13: about whether the crown was sovereign and what he said

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Speaker 13: was that Maori ceeded sovereignty when they signed the Treaty

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Speaker 13: of Waitangi, and if you look up the meaning of sovereignty,

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Speaker 13: it's the authority for a state to govern itself. And

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Speaker 13: you know, it's arguable that the Maldi would argue, and

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Speaker 13: through the Waitangi Tribunal that they're citing their finding, the

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Speaker 13: Maldi would argue, well, that's not that's the English interpretation,

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Speaker 13: but it's not the Maldi interpretation. And I think personally,

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Speaker 13: if you go back to eighteen forty, I think Maldi

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Speaker 13: were probably fairly clear that they were happy enough for

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Speaker 13: the crown to govern the country whilst they had their

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Speaker 13: own rights, of course, to govern their own territories.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Okay. The difficulty is whether what it brings us to

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Speaker 3: is a debate about whether the parliament is sovereign right now.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think, I mean, nobody in Parliament is

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Speaker 3: going to say Parliament is not sovereign right Oh?

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Speaker 13: Absolutely, And that is the big issue, isn't it really?

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Speaker 13: That you know, he was forced into it, and he reluctantly.

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Speaker 13: I remember him saying it that they did seed sovereignty,

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Speaker 13: and if you look at the interpretation literally, of course

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Speaker 13: they seeded sovereignty. But that's an argument and it's one

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Speaker 13: that was proffered by the Waitangi Tribunal because they said

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Speaker 13: the Orangutara who signed the treaty didn't seed sovereignty. But

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Speaker 13: don't forget the Waitangi Tribunal is simply an independent commission

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Speaker 13: of inquiry.

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Speaker 3: What did help an easy, say to Rombooker at this

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Speaker 3: of Parlance forum.

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Speaker 13: Well, it was quite extraordinary actually, because Chris Luxon, as

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Speaker 13: we know, he's pretty good at engaging with people. He

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Speaker 13: had gone around all the other Pacific leaders and when

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Speaker 13: it came to Albanesi, he essentially there was a bit

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Speaker 13: of banter going on between the two and Albanese said

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Speaker 13: to Luxen, are getting into trouble and he said, yeah,

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Speaker 13: getting into trouble. Responded he responded to that before don't

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Speaker 13: put him in detention.

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Speaker 8: Pleasant I don't quite know.

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Speaker 13: What Luxan was meaning by that, but it was the

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Speaker 13: clinch or the clanger that was committed by Albanesi in

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Speaker 13: a jovial mood. He came up behind the seated Fijian

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Speaker 13: prime in the Siscific city of any Rambooka and grabbed

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Speaker 13: him by the shoulders and proclaimed, you're under arrest, lord,

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Speaker 13: you're arrest or what on earthy was meaning God only knows.

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Speaker 13: I mean at the bee has to city of any

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Speaker 13: Rambuka because I was there and I was one of

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Speaker 13: those who was arrested in the first coup. I don't

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Speaker 13: know whether that joke should have been made to a

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Speaker 13: man like Ramboka.

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Speaker 3: No, not at all, especially given them all the stuff

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Speaker 3: that's floated around around him. I Barry, thank you appreciated.

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Speaker 3: Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent, eight away from five.

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Speaker 1: Digging into the issues that affect you the mic Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 14: So the government here find a massiphiscal hole.

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Speaker 12: So what do they do?

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Speaker 14: They start implementing some savings and give us some tax cuts.

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Speaker 14: The new government in Britain, the Labor government, to find

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Speaker 14: a massive fiscal hole. What do they do while they

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Speaker 14: put the textus up?

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Speaker 15: How is it?

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Speaker 14: If you can explain to me, the Labor government of

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Speaker 14: Australia gets it. The Labor opposition of New Zealand does not.

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Speaker 15: I think this is going into the realms of psychology

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Speaker 15: as in engineering.

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Speaker 14: So if you're one of those international operators who goes,

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Speaker 14: shall I invest in New Zealand or shall I not?

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Speaker 10: None of this?

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Speaker 14: Back tomorrow at six Am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 14: the Rain, drove the Lamb News Talk ZB here.

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Speaker 3: The Chloe wants to run the country, but you can't

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Speaker 3: control her own party. Look, no party is above this

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Speaker 3: kind of thing, right I mean, we've got rogue, We've

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Speaker 3: got people going rogan. All parties, I mean, every single

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Speaker 3: party in Parliament right now has been blighted with this

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Speaker 3: kind of thing. The problem for the Greens is that

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Speaker 3: they really wanted Darleene to just go away, do you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean? She was sitting there just reminding people, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is the kind of crappy person you picked to

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Speaker 3: go into the party. This is the kind of candidate

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Speaker 3: you choose. And I think in their heads they were like,

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Speaker 3: if we just trigger the waker jumping legislation, she'll be gone.

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Speaker 3: The whole issue will die, It'll go away, people forget

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Speaker 3: about it and will be like Darlene who But now

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Speaker 3: Darling's dragging it out. And as Barry was sort of suggesting,

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Speaker 3: if the judicial review can go on for a while,

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Speaker 3: if a judge doesn't make a decision immediately, god only knows,

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Speaker 3: And then they've got to reschedule this blinking meeting. That's

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Speaker 3: supposed to happen at the weekend, and what happens after that,

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Speaker 3: so and what if it's appealed. I just I'm kind

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Speaker 3: of loving it, Like, don't lie and don't pretend you're not.

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Speaker 3: Because the Greens are so sanctimonious, it's nice for them

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Speaker 3: to have a little bit of egg on their face

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Speaker 3: out for making a mistake, because frankly, they choose the

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Speaker 3: wrong candidates the whole time, don't they. Now, this is

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Speaker 3: the situation with what's going on with NCEEA. This is

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Speaker 3: the first year where kids who are sitting in CEA

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Speaker 3: have got to pass this exam. Right, there are three

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Speaker 3: exams reading, Literacy, Reading, writing, and maths. They've got the

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Speaker 3: three of them. These are the corequisites. They've got to

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Speaker 3: get those corequisites in order to get NCA. You don't

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Speaker 3: get the corequisites, you don't get NCEEA now for two years,

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Speaker 3: this year and next year. If they fail the exam

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Speaker 3: they've got, they can they can make up those credits

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Speaker 3: in another way in twenty twenty six. You've got to

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Speaker 3: pass the exam or you're out right, so we get

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Speaker 3: we're starting to get to the pointy end of things.

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Speaker 3: We are halfway to this being essentially compulsory. Get a

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Speaker 3: load of this. Fifty four percent of kids failed maths. Now,

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Speaker 3: remember you've got to get all three exams in order

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Speaker 3: to get NCAA, so that means fifty four percent of

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Speaker 3: kids at this stage are not going to get NCAA

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Speaker 3: unleas they can make these credits up. It's very hard

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Speaker 3: to find out exactly how many kids have failed reading

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Speaker 3: and how many of them have failed writing because unfortunately

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Speaker 3: and the reporter, it's just been broken down into ethnicity group,

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Speaker 3: so the total not entirely shureup. But you could go

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Speaker 3: buy the maths number and go it's fifty four percent

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Speaker 3: who are not going to get nca unless they make

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Speaker 3: these credits up. How on earth have we got this

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Speaker 3: massive number of kids who don't know basic staff in

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Speaker 3: order to be able to get their qualification. We're going

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Speaker 3: to talk to one of the principles about this, Kate Gainsford,

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Speaker 3: who is a principle of Altier College in Wellington, and

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Speaker 3: I've got to give you the latest news on Tory.

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Speaker 3: You know our mate Tory and Wellington stand by for

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Speaker 3: that news talk.

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Speaker 6: Z'd be under pink skyes.

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Speaker 2: You taught them to enjoy.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather due to clam Drive with One New Zealand, Let's

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Speaker 1: get connected and news Talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon Darling. Tana is fighting for her political life at

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Speaker 3: the moment. The former Green MP has filed an and

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Speaker 3: function trying to stop her former party, the Greens, from

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Speaker 3: convening a special general meeting this weekend. Now, this meeting

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Speaker 3: was where delegates were supposed to decide whether to invoke

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Speaker 3: the Wacker jumping law against Darlene Tanner Jason Walls as

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Speaker 3: News Talk zb's political letter to Jason Hallow Afternoon, Heather,

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Speaker 3: the Greens made it sound like they were surprised, but

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Speaker 3: they must have seen this coming from that letter just

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Speaker 3: a few weeks back.

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Speaker 16: You know, honestly, I don't think that they did. I mean,

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Speaker 16: it's a pretty unprecedented move. I mean it's the sort

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Speaker 16: of move that somebody with their back against the wall

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Speaker 16: makes just really fighting for their political life. Looking at

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Speaker 16: this really holistically, it's a really hard legal stretch to make.

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Speaker 16: Do You're basically saying that you're putting an injunction on

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Speaker 16: a asking the courts to prevent a political party from meeting. Now,

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Speaker 16: we don't know the details of what's happening, but I

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Speaker 16: actually we talked to Chloe Swarbeck. I will give her

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Speaker 16: that she didn't seem too worried about this. I mean,

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Speaker 16: her lawyer is working for free, and here's why our.

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Speaker 5: Lawyer is operating on a pro bono basis. I haven't

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Speaker 5: got into the details of the motivations behind that. I'm

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Speaker 5: assuming that this is a pretty interesting.

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Speaker 16: So if your lawyer's working because it's an interesting case,

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Speaker 16: it doesn't exactly scream like you're really worried about what's happening.

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Speaker 16: But I would say yes, I would say that they

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Speaker 16: probably didn't see this aspect of this coming.

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Speaker 10: But I don't think that they're particularly worried.

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Speaker 3: Well they should have, though, I mean, it was obvious

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Speaker 3: to everybody that there was legal action coming after that

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Speaker 3: letter in the way it was set out. Some surprise

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Speaker 3: by that is the meeting at the weekend still honor

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Speaker 3: if they canceled it.

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Speaker 16: Well, it's at this stage it's a bit of Schrodingers

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Speaker 16: meeting because it's not on or off at this stage,

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Speaker 16: they're just waiting to see what happens. I mean, they

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Speaker 16: haven't canceled it or they haven't postponed it. They're just

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Speaker 16: simply waiting to see what happens tomorrow. And just back

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Speaker 16: on your point there. I mean, listen, we all knew

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Speaker 16: that more legal action was coming, but I was thinking

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Speaker 16: the legal action would be around the actual legislation to

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Speaker 16: do with the walker jumping and how that actually physically

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Speaker 16: worked in terms of an employee or somebody in a

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Speaker 16: political party, and how that worked. Because we haven't tested

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Speaker 16: this rule yet. I think everybody was pretty surprised that

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Speaker 16: the next step on this on Tana's radar was essentially

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Speaker 16: asking the courts to prevent members from meeting.

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Speaker 10: I think that is quite unprecedented.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now who's paying? I mean, if the Greens are

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Speaker 3: getting their legal representation for free, who's paying Darleen's bills?

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Speaker 16: Well, we haven't been able to get in contact with

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Speaker 16: Darliyan Tana yet. I have texted her, so Darleene, if

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Speaker 16: you're listening, please text me back so I.

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Speaker 10: Can get some information. But essentially we don't know.

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Speaker 16: We would assume that she has access to her the

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Speaker 16: fund in Parliament to pay for this. I asked her

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Speaker 16: directly before, when she sent the letter to the Green

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Speaker 16: Party fighting for her case against the Walker jumping bill,

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Speaker 16: she said that had been paid for using the parliamentary fund.

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Speaker 10: You can make the.

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Speaker 16: Logical assumption that it's the same thing. I mean, she

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Speaker 16: could have somebody that's also quite interested in this doing

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Speaker 16: it pro bono as well. So we just don't know

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Speaker 16: at this stage. But I say, I don't think it

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Speaker 16: would be with outside the realms of possibility that it's

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Speaker 16: us picking up the tab here as tax pays.

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Speaker 3: And have they indicated how long they think this is

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Speaker 3: going to take.

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Speaker 16: Well, the decision will be coming out tomorrow afternoon, as

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Speaker 16: I understand it. It's just for the for a judge

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Speaker 16: to look at the facts and make a decision. So

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Speaker 16: we should know around about tan I would say tomorrow.

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Speaker 16: I'm not sure if it would drag on. But this

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Speaker 16: isn't going to be the end of this saga. I mean,

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Speaker 16: if the injunction fails, which you know you're looking at

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Speaker 16: the balance of probability, it looks like it may. She

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Speaker 16: still will probably fight in courts. The actual the meat

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Speaker 16: and bones of the legislation, which hasn't been tested yet,

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Speaker 16: and so you would expect that it's an interesting legal

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Speaker 16: argument for anyone to get into.

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Speaker 3: No, totally, thank you very much. Jason really appreciated Jason

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Speaker 3: Will's newstalksb's political editor Heather. Due to CLO the government

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Speaker 3: is moving towards taking the politics out of infrastructure. It

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Speaker 3: has announced it will establish a National Infrastructure Agency this

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Speaker 3: year and this agency will plan our infrastructure projects for

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Speaker 3: the country for the next thirty years. Chris Bishop is

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Speaker 3: the Infrastructure Minister Bush Hello, hi, Heather. Who gets to

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Speaker 3: pitch to these guys what gets built?

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Speaker 17: The private sector, local government and communities will be able

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Speaker 17: to pitch to the Infrastructure Commission to take a really

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Speaker 17: good hard look what projects we need for the future

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Speaker 17: and what ones make sense and what ones don't. The

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Speaker 17: aim is to get a bit of an independent view

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Speaker 17: about what we should be building in New Zealand and

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Speaker 17: also what we shouldn't be building, and then put that

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Speaker 17: list out there publicly, and then that will serve as

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Speaker 17: a bit of a guide for what politicians might or

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Speaker 17: might not want a campaign on in future elections.

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Speaker 12: This is about planning for the future.

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Speaker 3: But are you saying therefore that that central government because

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Speaker 3: that was not on the list so you guys in

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Speaker 3: government can't pitch ideas.

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Speaker 12: Oh, central government to be part of it as well.

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 17: Sorry, The point I was making is that it'll be

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Speaker 17: available for everybody, central government, local government.

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Speaker 3: So will it work like this as well? Will they

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Speaker 3: be free of political interference? They will get to make

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Speaker 3: the final say no.

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Speaker 17: The Infrastructure Commission is independent, so they will be making

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Speaker 17: the assessments, and they will be public and they won't

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Speaker 17: be touched by politicians. They'll be independent assessments by independent

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Speaker 17: economic experts. Decisions around what we build and what we

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Speaker 17: don't build, those remain in the hands of local government

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Speaker 17: and also central government as well, because ultimately we're accountable

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Speaker 17: for those funding decisions.

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Speaker 12: But here's the point.

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Speaker 17: You know, politicians might decide to fund the dumb project

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Speaker 17: and that might not be on the infrastructure priority list,

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Speaker 17: and then the politicians will have to explain to the

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Speaker 17: public why they're funding something that isn't a priority as

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Speaker 17: identified by independent experts.

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Speaker 12: But also the flip side is true too.

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Speaker 17: It will become a selling point to be able to

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Speaker 17: say to the public, you know what theF structure commissions

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Speaker 17: that analyze this, they reckon it's a really good project

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Speaker 17: for the following reasons. We're going to fund it, and

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Speaker 17: here's why, and here's how we're going to do it.

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Speaker 3: The thing about it is, I mean you you you

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Speaker 3: might have if the list is too long, you may

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Speaker 3: have the Greens picking stuff at the bottom of the list,

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Speaker 3: even yourselves picking stuff at the bottom of the list

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Speaker 3: that aren't aren't you know, high priority? Will it? Will

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Speaker 3: it be? Will it be ordered? Sort of an order

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Speaker 3: of priority like this is the most important, this is

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Speaker 3: the least important.

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Speaker 17: There will that will develop over time? Yes, that is

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Speaker 17: that is certainly my intention of the list over time.

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Speaker 17: It's early days, you know, we've just just literally started today.

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Speaker 12: I've announced it today.

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Speaker 17: Will publish the first list or the commission will publish

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Speaker 17: the first list and eight next year. And certainly if

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Speaker 17: you look at what Australia does, which is where we've

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Speaker 17: picked up the idea from both in New South Wales

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Speaker 17: and also federally, they do have a kind of rank

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Speaker 17: order for things, and that again developed over time.

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Speaker 12: So this is the start of a process to get

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Speaker 12: us to that point.

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Speaker 3: Chris, thank you really appreciate your time. That's Chris Boshop.

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Speaker 3: The infrastrucure in a stand by the way. On this

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Speaker 3: a chap called Tony Canevan is a transport expert who

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Speaker 3: works for e Y and Singapore. He is visiting New

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Speaker 3: Zealand at the moment. He's like ewy's global transport guy.

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Speaker 3: He's visiting us at the moment, we're going to speak

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Speaker 3: to him about this very thing, this infrastructure agency. After

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Speaker 3: six point thirty this evening, fourteen past.

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Speaker 1: Five, here the dupless.

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Speaker 3: Tory's got COVID again, like again. So normally I wouldn't reserve,

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't talk about someone's health and immunity. But this

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Speaker 3: is getting a little weird, and I feel like, I

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Speaker 3: feel like, if you are listening, you know, Tory, can

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Speaker 3: you make Tory go to the doctor because something's up.

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Speaker 3: So Tory had COVID at the end of June, the

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Speaker 3: twenty fourth of June's nine weeks ago, and Torri's got

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Speaker 3: COVID again. Now this would be by my account, the

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Speaker 3: fifth time that Tory's had COVID. Hands up. Who's had

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Speaker 3: COVID five times? Yeah, only Torri's hand up at the moment. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's I think there's a problem here. So I've got

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Speaker 3: a conspiracy theory on this don't dun't dumn. My conspiracy

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Speaker 3: theory is that Tory is finding that she's got COVID

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Speaker 3: when her political life gets a little difficult. Last time

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Speaker 3: she had COVID was the week before the long Term

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Speaker 3: District Plan whatever the thing is called the long term

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Speaker 3: plan that they had to decide, and if you cast

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Speaker 3: your mind back, there was a massive staush going on

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Speaker 3: in the council about the airport shares. That's the last

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Speaker 3: time she had COVID. This week she's got COVID and

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Speaker 3: guess what, there's another massive stoush in council about whether

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Speaker 3: they should sell the airport shares. That coupled with the

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Speaker 3: fact that she also got a bit of a boller king,

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Speaker 3: didn't she from some of us in the media for

871
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 3: how she was like oil the Prime Minister was punching

872
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Speaker 3: down at me at the Local Government Court conference the

873
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 3: other day. So I just feel like there might be

874
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 3: a connection here. If my conspiracy theory is not true,

875
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 3: girl needs to go see a doctor and get some

876
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Speaker 3: get al of a lot vitamins pumped INTRK something ate

877
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Speaker 3: right there. Quarter past Okay, So here's a penogree deal

878
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Speaker 3: that is so good we actually have to keep the

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Speaker 3: full details on the download tonight on this show. It

880
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886
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887
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Speaker 3: Value award from Bob Campbell and list that is one

888
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Speaker 3: seriously good bottle of Pinogree for just thirteen ninety nine

892
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895
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896
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Speaker 3: going out the door at an incredible thirteen ninety nine

897
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Speaker 3: per bottle. Limited stocks, though, so get in quick order

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899
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Speaker 3: on his z It'll call oh eight hundred double six

900
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Speaker 3: two double six two.

901
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Speaker 1: Together do for see Ellen.

902
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: And some of the biggest music news this decade. The

903
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 3: rumors are true. Oasis is back together and they're going

904
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 3: on tour. The only problem is that, as it stands

905
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 3: right now, if you want to see them live, you're

906
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 3: going to have to go to the UK or Ireland.

907
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 3: That's going to cost you a tidy summer, isn't it.

908
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 3: Eden Parks CEO Nick Sault is with us.

909
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 18: Hey, Nick good eating here that thanks your time.

910
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 3: Listen mate, I've got you here because I want to

911
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: know what you're hearing in the industry, because I know

912
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 3: you're tapped into what's going on. Is there any chance

913
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 3: this becomes a world tour?

914
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 18: Heather, As you can imagine, we try anything to Seteal

915
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 18: International out of Stephen Park. We approach to cendra Ardoon

916
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 18: to help us secure Taylor Swift and this instance, I'm

917
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 18: delighted that you're going to join the cause and help

918
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 18: us get a social media campaign going to get Oasis.

919
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to listen to me. They

920
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 3: don't even listen to each other. Man. Have you got like,

921
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: have you got any people you can tap in Manchester

922
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 3: to get their ear.

923
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 18: We're talking to promoters and managers on a daily basis

924
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 18: around a variety of artists. As you know, at the

925
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 18: moment we're looking to secure our concert consent. Concert consent

926
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 18: go from six to twelve shows, and this is a

927
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 18: great example. We need to have surety for artists and

928
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 18: managers to be able to if they have the demand

929
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 18: and as you can imagine the demands there. They want

930
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 18: to do four shows, they want to do six shows.

931
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 18: We need to be able to accommodate it.

932
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 3: You are shameless. You've just made a conversation about Oasis

933
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 3: about your resource consent.

934
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 18: Well, that's thanks for mentioning that, Heather and our applications

935
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 18: closed on the second, and I'd love for all your

936
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Speaker 18: listeners to go to edenpass dot co, dot zed and

937
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 18: put in a submission.

938
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Speaker 3: You can't be stopped, hey, Listen, seriously, if they were

939
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 3: to go for a wil tour, do you reckon that

940
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: they would stop buy New Zealand? Are we big enough

941
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 3: for a band like Oasis on a reunion?

942
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 18: I'm be very confident that they'd be looking at New

943
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 18: Zealand And, particularly Eden Park. We're making some modifications to

944
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 18: the park as of next week. We're taking out the

945
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 18: lower West stand and increases our capacity for concerts for

946
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 18: a further five thousand. So our capacity for Travis Scott

947
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 18: in October is greater than Marvel Stadium in Melbourne or Brisbane.

948
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Speaker 18: So we're looking to do a number of modifications of

949
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 18: the venue to make us the venue of choice not

950
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 18: only for New Zealand but also for the East Coast

951
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 18: against Australia.

952
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, good work, Nick, Thank you very much.

953
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 7: Nick.

954
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 3: All that Eden Parks a year. I'm going to Travis Scott.

955
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 3: I don't know a single thing about him except he

956
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: was married to a Kardashian and he has a song

957
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 3: something something something sicko I don't really know. And some

958
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 3: people died at one of his concerts, so, you know,

959
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 3: God help me. Hither do you think Goldriz Garaman is

960
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 3: maybe doing the pro bono work for Chloeg's Honestly, maybe

961
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 3: why not make this more of a soap opera than

962
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 3: it'll re five twenty two.

963
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

964
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Allen Drive with one new Zealand. Let's

965
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: get connected and news talk as they'd be.

966
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 3: It's coming up twenty five past five. Listen. There is

967
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 3: a chance that I am unreasonably obsessed with this, but

968
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 3: I am very excited about the government announcing that it's

969
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 3: going to make airlines publish their on time performance and

970
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 3: they're going to make them do it every single month.

971
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 3: And the reason that I am obsessively interested in this

972
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 3: is because I am obsessively frustrated with their New Zealand

973
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 3: and how they constantly run late, not occasionally, not occasionally,

974
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: constantly constantly late. Now I need to say I love

975
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 3: Air New Zealand. I really do. I love them because

976
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 3: I love their staff. I think their staff are great,

977
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 3: especially you know when you come you come on to

978
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 3: one of those long hall flights you've been overseas and

979
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 3: there's the little Kiwi accent coming at yeah, and they're

980
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 3: just nice and they look after you, make a fuss

981
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 3: of you. It's just a delight to be on their planes.

982
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 3: And I think this is part of the problem. Because

983
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 3: I love Air New Zealand so much, I try very

984
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: hard to only fly in New Zealand, which I think

985
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 3: is what a lot of people in this country do

986
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 3: if you've got the money to be able to cheez.

987
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 3: It's not cheap, is it. We've got our air points,

988
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: We've got the Corow Club. We just put up with

989
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 3: their tardiness because we love them so much. And I

990
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 3: think that they know that, so they don't try. They

991
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 3: take us for granted because they know it doesn't really

992
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 3: matter how much how late they are, how tardy they are,

993
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 3: We're just going to keep on booking Air New Zealand.

994
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 3: And that's not cool. And that is why I'm very

995
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 3: excited about this, because I want a New Zealand to

996
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 3: be shamed out for how often they are late. Everyone

997
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 3: thinks Jetstar is worse right the few times that I've

998
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 3: flown them, that is not my experience. I mean, sure,

999
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 3: when there's a cancelation, it's diabolical because they don't have

1000
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 3: enough planes in the country, so one cancelation dominoes across

1001
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 3: the whole network. But when things are going fine, they

1002
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 3: are on time. Nazis in my experience in New Zealand,

1003
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 3: though often late, sometimes by an hour. What's an hour

1004
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 3: to Air New Zealand Now in New Zealand it when

1005
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 3: they were exposed earlier this year, by as actually been

1006
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 3: more tardy than Jetstar. They were very keen to point

1007
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 3: out it was just for one month, but I was like, hey,

1008
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 3: you took that very seriously, which says to me they

1009
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: are going to hate being exposed on the regular if

1010
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: this is what has happening on the regular, and we

1011
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 3: know it is, and I reckon, that may be enough

1012
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 3: for them to pull up their socks, which is what

1013
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 3: I'm hoping for.

1014
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: Ever do for see Ellen on that Greek.

1015
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 3: Fours with us on the show tomorrow because they're reporting

1016
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 3: tomorrow and it's not going to be nice. Did you

1017
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 3: know that Darlene Tanner and their husband have not broken up?

1018
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 3: Rememberut Darlene Tanner's husband when he was in court, he

1019
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 3: was like, oh, yeah, Darlene and I have broken up.

1020
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 3: It's not as difficult circumstances. We have dinner occasionally, but

1021
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 3: that's it. Well, Darlene was on Q and A at

1022
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 3: the weekend. Was it this week in or last weekend?

1023
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: I can't remember. Anyway, they said they were sitting and

1024
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 3: having dinner with their husband when people started messaging them saying, oh,

1025
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: why have you broken up? And they turned to the

1026
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 3: husband and they're like, what have you been saying now

1027
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 3: because in their opinion, he just goes around saying things,

1028
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 3: doesn't he just ncea next.

1029
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: Hard questions, strong opinion ever duper see allan drive with

1030
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: one New Zealand let's get connected and news talk as

1031
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: it'd be.

1032
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: Yet another gent Taylor has posted a huge profit its

1033
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 3: Meridian energy up four times what it was, more than

1034
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 3: four times what it was last year. We'll have a

1035
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 3: chat to the CEO, Neil Barklay after six about that.

1036
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 3: The huddle standing by hither. My issue with the Independent

1037
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 3: Infrastructure Commission is that politics and ideology will just enter

1038
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 3: through those who are hired. We only have to look

1039
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 3: at the other commissions, like the Human Rights Commission and

1040
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 3: even the Reserve Bank. You know what, Jonathan, that's actually

1041
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 3: a really good point. Thank you for making it. We

1042
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 3: will talk to the huddle about it very shortly. Right now,

1043
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 3: it's twenty four away from six. Now it looks like

1044
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 3: there is reasonable trouble with NCEEA. This is the first

1045
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 3: year that students must pass the corequisites of reading writing

1046
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 3: in maths in order to get the NCEEA qualification, but

1047
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 3: as many as fifty four percent have already failed the

1048
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 3: Maths exam as more than thirty thousand kids. Kate Gainsford

1049
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 3: is the Secondary Principal's Council Chair and the principal at

1050
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 3: Altier College High Kate.

1051
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 19: Hello, how are you this afternoon?

1052
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 3: Very well? Thank you mate. Now, Kate, this is not

1053
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 3: a trial. If these kids fail, can they actually get nceea?

1054
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,959
Speaker 19: That they can because there are repeated opportunities to gain

1055
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 19: the literacy and numerous the standards both by the online

1056
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 19: through the online external and in twenty four and twenty

1057
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Speaker 19: five the extra standards that are made available from an

1058
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 19: approved list from NZQA in the ministry.

1059
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 20: So it's not yet.

1060
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 19: So there are other opportunities.

1061
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 3: So are you saying basically they have to either sit

1062
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 3: the exam again or they have to do something else

1063
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 3: to make this up in order to get these credits

1064
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 3: that they have failed.

1065
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 19: Well, the idea was behind it that there would be

1066
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 19: multiple opportunities for someone to gain these corequids, so that

1067
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 19: it's not just a one shot and then you have

1068
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 19: to repeat the year kind of experience. So originally my

1069
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 19: understanding is the idea was that students could sitch that

1070
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 19: external when they were ready. But m zka's provision of

1071
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 19: materials doesn't really suit that they haven't got multiple kinds

1072
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 19: of assessments ready to have multiple goals at it except

1073
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 19: for the two shots during the year. So yes, there

1074
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 19: are opportunities to reach it. It's not the same exam.

1075
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 19: They have to rebuild the exam so that it's not

1076
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 19: a repeat, you know, experience of the same questions.

1077
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 3: But I mean, I mean this is these are staggering numbers.

1078
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 3: What is going on here, Kate that these kids and

1079
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 3: so many of them are not learning the things they're

1080
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 3: expected to have learned and know well.

1081
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 19: I think there's a couple of things. One is that

1082
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 19: there's a gap in the policy lag and the practice

1083
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 19: lag between setting a standard that just being put into

1084
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Speaker 19: operation through these online exams, and the clear knowledgement that

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Speaker 19: the government has wanted to put in a lot of

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Speaker 19: professional learning well ahead of time, starting at year zero

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Speaker 19: around literacy and numeracy that they're starting with now. But

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Speaker 19: what we've got is young people in our schools now

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Speaker 19: who haven't had that. So there's secondary schools are in

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Speaker 19: the really difficult position of trying to catch up students

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Speaker 19: to meet the standard when they haven't had the provision

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Speaker 19: of all of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't end your position, but how

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Speaker 3: bad literatally failed these kids that they don't know this stuff?

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Speaker 19: Well, I am a determined optimist in this space, and

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Speaker 19: that I think schools are bending over backwards to really

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Speaker 19: make up the ground in secondary schools and the multiple

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00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 19: opportunities have to be part of that. But I do

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Speaker 19: think there's another kind of issue attached to this. We

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Speaker 19: have to be really clear when it comes to the

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Speaker 19: mechanics of the actual assessments that when we are assessing numeracy,

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Speaker 19: if a student is managing to get all of the

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Speaker 19: calculations right are either numbers, which to me is what

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00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 19: numeracy is, then there shouldn't be any room for someone

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00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,959
Speaker 19: to not get that numeracy standard if they just haven't

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Speaker 19: been able to put into words i e. Literacy, English

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00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 19: fluency the explanation for their working. I think we've got

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00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 19: to look at that because at the moment, there is

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00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 19: a possible anomaly that we could see where a year

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Speaker 19: thirteen or student doing level three could possibly gain Level

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00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 19: three NCI statistics and fail a level one numeracy standard.

1112
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Speaker 19: Now that's just silly. So we've got some more work

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00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 19: to do. I think with NZQA about understanding the tool

1114
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Speaker 19: that is being used. It's not necessarily at the moment

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Speaker 19: doing the job that we intended it to do, which

1116
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 19: is to really make an a sienson.

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Speaker 3: And that's fair enough. I take that. I mean, you

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00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 3: might be good at maths, but you may be really

1119
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 3: bad at writing that sentence out in English. But how

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Speaker 3: much of this can we split it out and say

1121
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Speaker 3: this proportion of it is the way that we're asking

1122
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 3: them to do the exam, and this proportion of it

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Speaker 3: is that they don't know what they need to know.

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Speaker 3: Do we know?

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Speaker 19: No, we don't, No, we don't. And that's part of

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Speaker 19: the problem is that and this needs to be you know,

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00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 19: a lot of work still needs to be done with

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Speaker 19: NZQA around making sure that the tool actually can separate

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Speaker 19: those two problems out and eliminate the one about numeracy

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Speaker 19: versus literacy so that we know what we're dealing with.

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Speaker 19: Because you can see in the steps that the number

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Speaker 19: four people gaining the numeracy is significantly lower than the literacy. Well,

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Speaker 19: if that's because you're assessing literacy and numeracy, then you've

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Speaker 19: kind of missing the mark of it in the use

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Speaker 19: of the assessment tool. So you're blurring what this information

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Speaker 19: can tell you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Kate, listen, thank you for talking us so I

1138
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Speaker 3: really appreciate it. Kate Gains for Secondary Principles Council Chair,

1139
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Speaker 3: also Altier College Principle.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's international realty unparalleled reach

1141
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Speaker 1: and results suddles me.

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Speaker 3: This evening is Bridget Morton and Rob Campbell. Hellore you too, Bridget.

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Speaker 3: Are you worried about these kids? I'm worried about these kids.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, absolutely, particularly I think you look at the school year.

1145
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 20: We're in August almost September. We know that for some

1146
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Speaker 20: kids have only had another couple of months until they

1147
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Speaker 20: hit that summer break. We need to keep them in

1148
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Speaker 20: the school system long enough to make sure that they

1149
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Speaker 20: do get those qualifications. So we haven't got a way

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Speaker 20: of reassessing them and making sure they bring up to

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Speaker 20: that standard. Now I'm really worried that they'll be lost

1152
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Speaker 20: and without those qualifications forever.

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Speaker 3: Yes, same and Rob what I'm worried about almost as well.

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Speaker 3: Less so. But it also worries me that educator's response

1155
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Speaker 3: to this is get rid of the exams because it's

1156
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Speaker 3: not working. When it seems to me that's not what

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Speaker 3: you do. You have to teach the kids better.

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, you do have to teach the kids better.

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Speaker 7: And it's terrible for the youngsters who are affected by

1160
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Speaker 7: this because they've got COVID as well as changing educational

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00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 7: standards and methods, so it's very very difficult for them

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Speaker 7: and for their fun. But I don't think we need

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Speaker 7: to do away with exams completely. But it is a

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Speaker 7: failure of this particular method of conducting education and exams,

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Speaker 7: isn't it. And we're making kids where there are consequences

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Speaker 7: of the failure. That's what concerns me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with that. Okay, Bridget How does

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Speaker 3: this business with Darlinge Tana play out?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, metally, I think that's the problem. And there's a

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Speaker 20: really big chance that, you know, regardless of whether or

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Speaker 20: not she succeeds tomorrow in the interim injunction, whether or

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Speaker 20: not there is a vote on Saturday, that it will

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Speaker 20: take a long time until the Greens are racally able

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Speaker 20: to in vote the walker jumping legislation. This is not

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Speaker 20: a problem that's going to go well away fast for

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Speaker 20: the Greens. He's going to be hanging around, I think

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Speaker 20: for at least another six months on best case of.

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Speaker 3: Are why do you say six months?

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Speaker 20: So basically regarding to the convocations, but essentially tomorrow's just

1180
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Speaker 20: you know, an interim hearing just to sort of stop

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Speaker 20: you the vote going hit on Saturday. There's still a

1182
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Speaker 20: lot of questions, which I assume is probably quite a

1183
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Speaker 20: lot to do with what this case is about, about

1184
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Speaker 20: whether or not she's actually distorting for bortanality of parliament.

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Speaker 20: At the moment, he's not doing so because he every

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Speaker 20: time she's cast a vote it's been the same as

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Speaker 20: what the Greens have done. He's done that either personally

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Speaker 20: or through to Partimori and so she actually hasn't done

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Speaker 20: that to date. Therefore she can kind of keep up

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Speaker 20: not you know, doing that. There's a real possibility that

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Speaker 20: she will not be able to or the Greens work

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Speaker 20: be able to demonstrate to the Speaker that he has

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Speaker 20: actually distorted parliament for porsonality is actual.

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Speaker 7: Roll through. I know people are who are not Greens

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00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 7: are taking a great kind of delight in all this,

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Speaker 7: but for example, that that is not true. She has

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Speaker 7: on occasion not cast a vote. Sorry, they have on

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Speaker 7: occasion not cast to vote. They have on occasion cast

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Speaker 7: a vote through to party MARII on one occasion at

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Speaker 7: least they have cast a vote through the Act Party.

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Speaker 7: Now that is hardly upholding the principles for which the

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Speaker 7: Green Party stood.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Is the vote being cast rob in line with what

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Speaker 3: the Greens are voting or is it contrary to what

1206
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Speaker 3: the Greens are saying?

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Speaker 7: I don't even know that to be honest. Yeah, the

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Speaker 7: way to ensure that is to ensure that the Green

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Speaker 7: Party could cast their own votes, isn't it said?

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Speaker 20: It's not a test in the legislation. And so that's

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Speaker 20: the question. These issues that Green could go process yea,

1212
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Speaker 20: and what.

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Speaker 7: The legal situation is will be decided by this process,

1214
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Speaker 7: I guess, and it may take some time. Budgets right

1215
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Speaker 7: about that. In the meantime, all the Green Party can

1216
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Speaker 7: do is act according to their rules and according to

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Speaker 7: their values. So, you know, it's all very irksome for

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Speaker 7: the Greens, and it's all very sort of fun for

1219
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 7: people observing them, but the real issues still go on

1220
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Speaker 7: to some extent. It's a sideshow. It's a sideshow the

1221
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Speaker 7: Creams can't avoid. But it is a sideshow and it

1222
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 7: just shows that under the current system. You can be

1223
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Speaker 7: a pest if you want to.

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Speaker 3: Well said, We'll take a break, come back shortly caught

1225
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Speaker 3: to to.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty exceptional marketing

1227
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Speaker 1: for every property.

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Speaker 3: Heather Darlene is like ray Gun, I just can't look away.

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Speaker 3: I think we all feel much the same as twelve

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Speaker 3: away from Sex and you back of the Hudle, Rob Campbell,

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Speaker 3: Bridget Morton, Rob on this infrastructure agency that's just been announced.

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Speaker 3: Am I right in thinking you are not quite into

1233
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Speaker 3: depoliticizing infrastructure as an idea?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 7: I mean it's sort of a nice thing to have that,

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00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,479
Speaker 7: it's a pipe dream, and it's probably a nest pipe

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Speaker 7: at that. In this situation, most of the most of

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Speaker 7: the big issues that people are talking about depoliticizing, like infrastructure,

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00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 7: like healthlike energy, are amongst the most political issues we have.

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Speaker 7: Where are things going to be built, what sort of

1241
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 7: things are going to be built, who will benefit from them,

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00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 7: who will contribute to them? Those are the most intensely

1243
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Speaker 7: political decisions you can have, And this idea that you

1244
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 7: can somehow just to distract them and have everyone happily

1245
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 7: go off into the future it's just a pipe dream.

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00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, but would you agree with that.

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Speaker 20: I do think there is a little bit of optimism

1248
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Speaker 20: needed for this process. I think the floor I see

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Speaker 20: is I don't see how this thirty year plan is

1250
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 20: necessarily commit connected to the funding for it. And we

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Speaker 20: saw an example coming out of the last government of

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Speaker 20: what happened the schools. As the Ministry Education had committed

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Speaker 20: to a whole lot of rebuilds and new schools. New

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01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 20: government came in, re looked at whether or not they

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Speaker 20: could actually afford them within the influence that they had available,

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Speaker 20: and it was put on hold something like one hundred projects.

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Speaker 20: I don't see necessarily how this process fits or fixes

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01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 20: that budgets element, because ultimately that's up to the government's

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Speaker 20: of data determines.

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Speaker 3: Is it not possible, Rob, because I agree with you

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01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 3: that it's really hard to get people to agree on

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Speaker 3: these things given that they are so that, I mean,

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01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 3: people feel very strongly about them. But what if you

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Speaker 3: had a group of experts like the Infrastructure Agency who say,

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Speaker 3: these are the things that we agree are important for

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Speaker 3: the country. You can pick from this list anything from

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Speaker 3: this list.

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Speaker 7: What if you had a group of experts like the

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01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 7: Climate Change Commission and they told you what you should do?

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Speaker 7: Would everyone go along with that? There's not much evidence

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Speaker 7: of that at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hither is well because basically, are you arguing this.

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Speaker 7: Some people experts impossible?

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Speaker 3: Impossible to de politicize the experts?

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Speaker 7: Well it is, Yeah, we all know that. So these

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01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 7: people that are talking about it, I don't know. You know,

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Speaker 7: they think they can get away at a moment in

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01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 7: history with imposing a particular view and getting other people

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Speaker 7: to sign up to it and get committed to it.

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Speaker 7: You know that's not going to happen. I can tell you.

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Speaker 7: For example, there's been this sort of consensus between the

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Speaker 7: legacy political parties for a while about death and thirty

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01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 7: percent of GDP. They keep moving around what it's thirty

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Speaker 7: percent of and quite how you calculate it, But there's

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Speaker 7: been that consensus. I'll guarantee that doesn't last anything like

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Speaker 7: thirty years. It'll be gone in the next few years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you might be well be right now,

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Speaker 3: bridget do you think that in New Zealand will start

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01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 3: flying on time if they are forced to report their

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Speaker 3: timeliness every single month?

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Speaker 1: I mean, one of the.

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Speaker 20: Biggest issues we've got is we don't have a lot

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Speaker 20: of choices consumers about which, you know, flights we take

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Speaker 20: or which airlines we take. I mean, hopefully it does

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Speaker 20: a little bit of embarrassing them so that they're more aware,

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Speaker 20: but I think for the most part they're going to

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Speaker 20: have to change some big internal mechanics to actually say

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Speaker 20: whether or not we're going to run on time. And

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Speaker 20: does that mean five minutes late or does it mean

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Speaker 20: two hours late?

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Speaker 3: What do you reckon?

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Speaker 7: What a lovely diversion. The issue is whether you should

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Speaker 7: be flying in terms of the climate crisis, not whether

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01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 7: that really is a problem. When was the last time

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Speaker 7: I flew a few weeks ago. I fly a lot

1306
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Speaker 7: less than I used to, and the reason for that

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Speaker 7: is I do, I do have a concern about the

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Speaker 7: kind of impact of flying. And that's really the issue

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Speaker 7: for airline travel in New Zealand is not whether you're

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Speaker 7: five minutes late or five minutes early for your cocktail party. Frankly,

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Speaker 7: it's just a diversion. I don't really care about the door.

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Speaker 3: Are you actually that guy who go Are you that

1313
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 3: guy when people bring something up you go out with

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Speaker 3: the climate? Are you that guy? A real party then

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Speaker 3: was that.

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Speaker 7: Guy under then? But for that might be the reason

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01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 7: why don't get invited to parties. But it doesn't dominate

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Speaker 7: my life as much as it probably should.

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Speaker 3: I think we should never.

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Speaker 7: People keep carrying on about trivia, about whether you can

1321
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 7: have two drinks or whether the plane's five minutes late

1322
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 7: or whatever it is these things that are going in

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Speaker 7: the news media at the moment. They really are not

1324
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Speaker 7: important dishes.

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Speaker 3: Bridget, please save me from Rob.

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Speaker 20: Look, I do agree with them and the part that

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01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 20: it's not really that big of issue, and it does

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01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 20: question lightly. I'm like, why is the government getting involved

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Speaker 20: in something?

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Speaker 3: Bridget does be serious? New Zealand is sometimes an hour

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01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 3: late and people miss their meetings. That's serious for a business.

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Speaker 3: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 20: Absolutely? And I mean I've been in that myself. I

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Speaker 20: mean I caught an ne New Generald flight yesterday and

1335
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 20: it was late, so run late to get to a function.

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Speaker 20: So I think absolutely there has that fact. But I

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01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 20: do agree. I have to say it's not from the

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Speaker 20: climate change front view, but I do agree with Rob

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01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 20: that some really big challenges and frankly, if I'm a

1340
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 20: bit late to a function, that is not the biggest

1341
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 20: problems going on.

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Speaker 3: I am tutting. I'm tutting at the pair of you

1343
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 3: right now because it has occurred to me that maybe

1344
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 3: I am more obsessed than anybody else. I really appreciate it, guys,

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01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 3: Thank you for coming on. Rob sought out your attitude

1346
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 3: for next time. Bridget Walton, Rob Gamble coming up seven

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Speaker 3: away from six on.

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Speaker 1: Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in your

1349
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: car on your drive home. Heather Dupleice allan drive with

1350
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: one New zealand one Giant Leap for Business News talk

1351
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 1: as there'd be Heather.

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Speaker 3: If Rob suggests we stop flying when we are at

1353
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Speaker 3: the ars end of the world, that I'm definitely leaving

1354
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 3: with my family overseas here. The Rob is a typical

1355
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 3: climate change campaign and now that he has spent his

1356
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 3: life flying around the world, he wants the rest of

1357
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 3: us all to consider the impact of flying on the

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Speaker 3: climate and just stay home. Such a hypocrite a.

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Speaker 8: He?

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Speaker 3: You know, he would really be a bummer at a

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01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 3: cocktail party, wouldn't he, Because you'd be like, oh jeez,

1362
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 3: I'm I had this awful experience today where you know,

1363
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 3: the car broke down, blah blah, blah blah, bah blah,

1364
01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 3: and then he'd be like, why are you driving the climate?

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01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 7: You know?

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Speaker 3: Or oh, I'm really dying for a steak. He'd be like,

1367
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 3: oh the climate, and you'd be like, oh, my house,

1368
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 3: I need to go home and put the heater on

1369
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 3: or I'm going to be cold to like, mah, the

1370
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 3: climate geez. Honestly, nothing like is the climate the new vegan?

1371
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 3: Because it's not fun, Like you need to really think

1372
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 3: that anyway. Johannas has text me, I know, for the

1373
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 3: second day in a row, Jihannas, I saw your text yesterday.

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01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 3: I did because of your name. It's unusual Heather update

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01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 3: on oysters just to demand like that I have got

1376
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 3: an update on the oysters for you. Actually, now I

1377
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 3: don't know for sure that this is my oyster, but

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01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 3: I think it might be a whole bunch of oysters

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Speaker 3: are being recalled because they may contain norovirus? Was it noroviruses?

1380
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 3: I can't even remember how to say this word anymore. Anyway, Now,

1381
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 3: if you didn't catch up on this, as telling you

1382
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 3: last week that a couple of my friends we went

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01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 3: out for dinner in Wellington, had some oysters and I

1384
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 3: didn't have any oysters, but the girls did, didn't they

1385
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 3: And they were raw and wow, like one of them

1386
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 3: has only just started eating yesterday, and the first thing

1387
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,919
Speaker 3: she ate was was me Donald's. Yeah. I also thought,

1388
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 3: very good choice. You haven't eaten anything for a week, really,

1389
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 3: apart from crackers. It's the first thing that you put

1390
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 3: in you is plastic meat well done anyway, whatever, you know,

1391
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 3: it's not the first stupid thing she's put in her mouth,

1392
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 3: is it? Because she put the oysters in, didn't she

1393
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 3: the other day? Anyway? So I don't know for sure

1394
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 3: that these are our oysters, but yesterday there was a

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01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 3: news alert that there are a bunch of oysters ten

1396
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Speaker 3: much to coup oysters being recalled because they may contain nourovirus.

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Speaker 3: I just want to say, don't know that it's connected,

1398
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 3: but my friend's gotnurovirus from oysters. So I'm just saying poo.

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Speaker 3: Tucky Bay Oyster Farm is currently closed as the New

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01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 3: Zealand Food Safety investigated this issue. Now anyway, don't know

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01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 3: that those are my oysters, but the timing is, come on,

1402
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 3: you know, like the timing is anyway. The lesson from

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01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 3: this is please because since Subsequently, we've heard from all

1404
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 3: these people who are like, yeah, I ate oyster the

1405
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 3: other day, got really really sick. Okay, call the authorities.

1406
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 3: You have to call the authorities because otherwise they don't

1407
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 3: know that there are things making people sick. And then

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01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 3: a ninety year old lady's going to eat it and

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01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 3: and you don't want that to happen. Okay, you're welcome.

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Speaker 21: Meridian Next, keeping track of where the money is flowing

1411
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 21: with the Business Hour with Header Duplicyl and my HR

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Speaker 21: on news talks at b.

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Speaker 12: Evening.

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Speaker 3: It turns out there is plenty of banks which are

1415
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 3: going on at the moment. Your Native Training is going

1416
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 3: to talk us through the shortly Milford Asset Management on

1417
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 3: what to expect from the Air New Zealand profit announcement tomorrow,

1418
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 3: and a transport transport expert out of Singapore on how

1419
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 3: we can be maybe a little bit more like Singapore

1420
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 3: when it comes to transport. Seven past six now, Meridian

1421
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 3: Energy has quadrupled its net profit to four hundred and

1422
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 3: twenty nine million dollars for the year. Earnings we're up

1423
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 3: sixteen percent. The company will pay a dividend of twenty

1424
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 3: one cents a share company is tempering expectations, though, saying

1425
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five financial year is looking far more challenging.

1426
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 3: Neil Barclay is Meridian's chief executive and with us, Hey, Neil, hi, yeah, good,

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Speaker 3: thank you. Ah. That's kind awkward, isn't it to be

1428
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 3: reporting a big profit increase like this when everybody's just

1429
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 3: hating on gen Taylor's.

1430
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 15: Yeah, well, I think that things understand with our numbers, Well,

1431
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 15: we are a renewable energy generator, so our results swing

1432
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 15: around a lot with the weather. And the interesting thing

1433
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,759
Speaker 15: about the growth in this year's number, it's largely because

1434
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,679
Speaker 15: last year's number was very low at ninety five million,

1435
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 15: And actually f Y twenty four is pretty consistent with

1436
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 15: what FY twenty two, in FY twenty one, where so

1437
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 15: it was more we had a bit of a low

1438
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 15: number in twenty three than we had massed growth in

1439
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:37,559
Speaker 15: twenty four.

1440
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 3: So you're not making any more of us than than

1441
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 3: you normally. What are you saying?

1442
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 15: Well, no, not in that year, but certainly right now

1443
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 15: we are. Earnings are down quite a lot. We're investing

1444
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 15: a lot in catches and so forth to sort of

1445
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 15: ensure that we've got security of supply and I think

1446
01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 15: I'm going to talk to you about some of those

1447
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 15: last week. You know, the ends are still we're paying

1448
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 15: them to reduce demand. We're part of that meth and

1449
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 15: X arrangement. We were actually paying quite a lot of

1450
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 15: quite a high price for the gas that we're generating

1451
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:14,759
Speaker 15: from them at the moment, and so we're telling analysts

1452
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 15: and investors just to be a bit tempered with how

1453
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 15: it will turn out this year.

1454
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 3: Why do you think next year is looking so bad?

1455
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 3: What's the problem.

1456
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 15: It's just that there is not enough the lakes at

1457
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 15: a very low level, so we've had to back off hydrogeneration,

1458
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 15: and so we're by this is from a Meridian perspective,

1459
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 15: we're buying generation.

1460
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 8: From other sources.

1461
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.

1462
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 15: We're part of that meth and XX thing. We'lso paying

1463
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 15: to the ends us not to actually produce neil.

1464
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 3: Do you foresee that we're going to have a dry

1465
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 3: year next year? Again?

1466
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 15: No, No, the lakes not a problem. I can't guarantee

1467
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 15: that either. I can't pack the weather that far out.

1468
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 15: I can pick the weather about seven days out, and

1469
01:09:58,080 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 15: that's about as good.

1470
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 3: Will tell me this, because you guys obviously, do keep

1471
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 3: an eye on what's going on with the hydro dams.

1472
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 3: Do you feel completely comfortable about dipping in knowing that

1473
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 3: next year will be fine.

1474
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 15: We've got enough hedges, and hedges are designed to get

1475
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 15: a physical reaction, so that's either dropped demand or bring

1476
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 15: on other supply. We've got enough hedges in place right

1477
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 15: now to restore these lakes back to average if we

1478
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 15: get average inflows.

1479
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 3: Okay, so to hang out, yes, totally, but it does

1480
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 3: rely on us having average inflows.

1481
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 8: Right.

1482
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 3: So we are kind of at the mercy of the

1483
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 3: weather again, aren't we.

1484
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 15: We always have been. Yeah, that's the nature of our

1485
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 15: electricity system that hydro based. And we've got relatively small lakes,

1486
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 15: but you know, and we're working to try and get

1487
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 15: more capacity in those lakes. So that's that contingent storage Neil.

1488
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 3: One of the criticisms, one of the criticisms of the

1489
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 3: energy sector at the moment is that you guys aren't

1490
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 3: building enough generation. How much generation have you built in

1491
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 3: the last year.

1492
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,839
Speaker 15: Well, I'll tell you, I'll go back fifteen years because.

1493
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 3: I think that that last year doesn't look good.

1494
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 15: The last year looks good. We've we've just built a

1495
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 15: new wind farmans in Hawk's Bay, Horror Parky. We're in

1496
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 15: the middle of building a grid scale battery. We've invested

1497
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 15: a billion dollars in the last few years just Meridian.

1498
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 15: If you look across effective numbers a lot greater. But

1499
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 15: if if you look at the electricity sectory the last

1500
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 15: fifteen years, demand hasn't grown a bit. The system is

1501
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 15: exactly the same size as it was fifteen years ago.

1502
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 15: But in that time the sector across the board has

1503
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 15: invested ten billion dollars in new renewable energy and that's

1504
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 15: replaced aging coal and gas light plant. So we've been

1505
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 15: investing in a hall.

1506
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 8: Of aar rate.

1507
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 15: It's just an absolute myth that generators have not been

1508
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 15: investing in It's just wrong and it just keeps getting

1509
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:51,839
Speaker 15: put out there by cent parties.

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01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 3: It has generation not dropped off since the Labor Party

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Speaker 3: of twenty seventeen, the Labor Government of twenty seventeen putting

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Speaker 3: that one hundred percent renewable target in.

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Speaker 15: No what, no renewables kept being developed.

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Speaker 3: The problem plus sorry I should say plus also the

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Speaker 3: Onslow decision.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, the problem there was that not as much investment

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01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 15: went into gas as needed to and so that's that's

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01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 15: fundamentally the problem. I mean, we're always going to have

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01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 15: droughts and wet times and all of that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 15: It's just part of our system. We used to managing it.

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Speaker 15: What got what I think what caught us all that

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Speaker 15: this year was just the rate of decline and gas availability.

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Speaker 15: And so when you saw those high prices a few

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Speaker 15: weeks back, eight hundred bucks, that was because Faranaki, which

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01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 15: is a diesel based generator, was running that those high prices.

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Speaker 15: Since then, we've got method next to the table, we

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01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 15: got ends us off. Things are moderating back. They're still

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Speaker 15: they're still reasonably high, sort of circuit two or three

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Speaker 15: hundred dollars, but if we can continue to build back

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01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 15: these lakes, that will start to moderate as well.

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Speaker 3: Nearly you would all worried about what might happen to

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01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 3: your business based on what's going on in politics at

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01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 3: the moment, and they need to find somebody to scape go.

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Speaker 15: No, No, I think the system works well. I think

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01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 15: the politicians understand that. But obviously we've got a lot

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Speaker 15: of work to do to sort of resolve this gas issue.

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Speaker 15: And that's why we've been talking about the al and

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Speaker 15: g option. It may be an expensive option, but I

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01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 15: think it'll be a critical bit of infrastructure that will

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01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 15: provide a lot more resilience, not only to the electricity sector,

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01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 15: but all those gasues is out there who are currently

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01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 15: being mentioned as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, Neil, thank you very much. Best of luck

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01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 3: with everything. As Neil Barclay, Meridian's chief executive, Donald Trump

1545
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 3: has now reagreed to do the debate. I mean, I

1546
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 3: get used to this with Donald Trump, I suppose as

1547
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 3: this campaign wears on. But he two days ago he

1548
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 3: said because he'd agreed to do the debate with Karmla,

1549
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 3: or rather Karmla had agreed to do the debate with him, really,

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01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 3: And then two days ago he said he might skip

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01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,639
Speaker 3: the debate because they had disagreed about whether the mic

1552
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 3: should be muted or not. Now he has said no, no, no,

1553
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 3: he's in. He said on Truth Social I have reached

1554
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 3: an agreement with the Radical Left Democrats for a debate

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01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 3: with Comrade Karmela Harris. The debate is September tenth in Philadelphia,

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01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 3: and the agreement appears to be that the mics will

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01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 3: be muted, which I'm disappointed by because it takes some

1558
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 3: of the fun out of it, doesn't it. I mean,

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01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,520
Speaker 3: she's just not the fun. Last time was Biden basically

1560
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 3: getting all weird. But she's not going to do that,

1561
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,679
Speaker 3: So it's just going to be a boring old debate.

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Speaker 3: Fourteen pass six.

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Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather dupic

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01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to my HR, the

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01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 1: HR platform for SME on newstalksb.

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01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 3: Just reminder Milford aset management with us very shortly on

1567
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 3: what to expect from me in New Zealand tomorrow when

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01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 3: they report. Right now, it's seventeen past six. Now, if

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01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 3: you've been looking at switching banks, you are not alone.

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01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 3: In fact, the number of people with the mortgage who

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01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,759
Speaker 3: have been bank hopping is at a record rate. Gnative

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Speaker 3: Trainee as The Herald's Wellington Business editor. Hey, you know, hey,

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01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:56,719
Speaker 3: how many people are we talking about?

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Speaker 22: Well, we don't know the number of people, but we

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01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 22: know that in July the value of mortgages financed by

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01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:08,759
Speaker 22: a new bank climbed to one point seventy five billion dollars.

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01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 22: Now that is the highest amount that the most amount

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01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 22: of money since at least twenty seventeen, when the Reserve

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01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 22: bank started publishing this data. You know, if you slice

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01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 22: and dicee the numbers in another way, look at it

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01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 22: proportionately to the amount of mortgage lending done in July.

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01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 22: It was also at a record high since at least

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Speaker 22: twenty seventeen. So people are shopping around, right.

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Speaker 3: Are we talking about just the mortgages, or when they

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01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 3: switch and go to a different bank or a mortgage,

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01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 3: are they taking everything within the checking account, of the

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Speaker 3: savings account and everything.

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Speaker 10: Well, that's a.

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Speaker 22: Really good point, and the data that I've been looking

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01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:45,799
Speaker 22: at doesn't show that. It just looks at the mortgage lending.

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01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 22: So I mean, it's quite an interesting finding at the

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01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 22: moment because you know, there's been so much focus on

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01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 22: competition in the banking sector, with the Commics Commission coming

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01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 22: out saying there isn't enough competition. I think that what

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01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 22: the Commics Commissions saying is obviously still very valid. But

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01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 22: the thing is is that there are factors in the

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01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:07,600
Speaker 22: current market that are causing this level of switching. So

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01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 22: you know, it's probably fair to say there could still

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01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 22: be more competition, but currently there are a number of

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Speaker 22: things happening that are pushing people to bank cop like.

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Speaker 3: This does this kind of undermine the case for open banking.

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01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 22: Look, I don't think so. I think that all the

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01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 22: Communist Commission's recommendations should still be considered seriously. But I mean,

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01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 22: I'll just talk through some of the factors behind this

1605
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 22: bank copying. So obviously, at the moment, people simply don't

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01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 22: want to buy houses. Demand for mortgages is very low

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01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 22: because interest rates are high and people are worried about

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01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 22: losing their jobs and the recession and so on. So

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01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 22: banks have been offering quite attractive cash deals for people

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01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 22: who join the bank and take out a mortgage. That

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01:16:56,600 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 22: has been causing people to switch. The other thing is

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01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 22: that recently people have been fixing their mortgages at quite

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01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 22: short durations because they've been betting on interest rates falling soon.

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01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 22: So if you fix most of your mortgage at a

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01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 22: short duration and it comes up for renewal and your

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01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:15,839
Speaker 22: whole mortgage you know you need to refix.

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01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,640
Speaker 10: It's easier at that point to change bank.

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01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 22: Than if you fix some for six months and some

1619
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 22: for four years, you know, because you can't shift some

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01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 22: of your mortgage to a bank and keep some of

1621
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,640
Speaker 22: your mortgage at your old bank. So because of the

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01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 22: way people have been fixing at short durations, it's made

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01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 22: it easier for them to change. And you know, as

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01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 22: I said before, banks are competing because business is down.

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Speaker 3: It's good to talk to you man. Thank you so

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01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 3: much for running us through that. It's generative training. The

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01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 3: Herald's Wellington Business editor on the students here that my

1628
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 3: year thirteen came home yesterday said his kem teacher said

1629
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 3: they're not going to do one of the internals. They

1630
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 3: don't have time. This is worth four credits and he

1631
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 3: needs it if he wants to get into engineering at

1632
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 3: university next year. What the heck is happening? And how

1633
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 3: is that teacher not planned the year out properly? It's

1634
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 3: just nuts, just nuts, I have.

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01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 1: I know.

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01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 3: Look, I know there are a lot of educators out

1637
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 3: there who love the old NCEEA because it represents a

1638
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 3: grown up education system in New Zealand. But I really

1639
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:11,600
Speaker 3: do not love the NCAA. Seems to me like a

1640
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:16,719
Speaker 3: complete shambles just on reporting, because we're back full noise

1641
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 3: in reporting season. At the moment, it's quite fun, isn't it?

1642
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 3: Tough old year for Woolworth's here in New Zealand. They

1643
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 3: have just reported their lowest earnings before tax in a decade.

1644
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 3: It's down fifty seven percent on last year hit one

1645
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 3: hundred and eight million. Bit of a sign of what's

1646
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 3: going on in retail and the cost of the workforce.

1647
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 3: I suppose sales had increased by only one point three percent,

1648
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 3: but wages had gone up by nineteen percent over the

1649
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 3: last two years. And the wages are going to go

1650
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 3: up again by the looks of things, because Walworths is

1651
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 3: negotiating with the union right now about rising pay. They

1652
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 3: want to take them onto the living wage and that's

1653
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 3: going to go up and so on. Walworth has had

1654
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:51,639
Speaker 3: a tough time. I mean domestically, they've had a whole

1655
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:53,600
Speaker 3: bunch of mistakes that they've been making with Remember the

1656
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:55,600
Speaker 3: free points that they gave away and then they withdrew it,

1657
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 3: and they had a kafuffle with the union about getting

1658
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 3: people to dress up in Disney costumes and stuff. Then

1659
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 3: you had the CEO over in Australia just you know,

1660
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 3: completely exploding in public. So it's not a fun time

1661
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 3: to be Woolworth's. I would say six twenty one.

1662
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1663
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather duplicy Allen and my HR

1664
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME US talksb here.

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01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,600
Speaker 3: They don't forget the multimillion dollar rebranding from Countdown to Woolworth's.

1666
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 3: I know that's been a fail, isn't it, because we've

1667
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 3: just looked at it and gone. All of Countdown's problems

1668
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 3: are now with you on Wilworth's, plus also the problems

1669
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 3: you're making at the moment. I don't think that was

1670
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 3: money well spent anyway. Six twenty four Jeremyhuton Milford Asset

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01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 3: Managements with US. Now, Hey, Jeremy Evening, Heather So Precinct Properties,

1672
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 3: we had them reporting today. They've got some exciting building

1673
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 3: projects on the go, haven't they.

1674
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 23: Yeah, that's right. So Precinct is a large listed real

1675
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 23: estate company on the insed X and they've been very

1676
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 23: active in some high profile property developments over the past

1677
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 23: few years such as Commercial Bay and Number one Queen Street.

1678
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 23: And they do have another future pro on the books,

1679
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 23: and this is the downtown car park site in Auckland

1680
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 23: and it will be no exception to high profile as well.

1681
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 23: So Precinct relay that they'd had a development agreement sorted

1682
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:14,839
Speaker 23: today on that and then also had submitted a resource

1683
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 23: content too, So potentially another large prime office building and

1684
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:22,600
Speaker 23: another large tower block up in the Auckland skyline.

1685
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, cool stuff. Hey on that downtown car park site,

1686
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 3: have they already got a large tenant lined up?

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01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 18: Yeah?

1688
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,600
Speaker 23: They did mention that there are in exclusive negotiations for

1689
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 23: another major occupier for forty percent of the office space

1690
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:37,600
Speaker 23: in that building. And this is there even though it

1691
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 23: won't be finished until after twenty thirty, So highlights to

1692
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 23: me the continued demand for prime office space from tenants

1693
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 23: in Auckland. But the challenge for me from here will

1694
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 23: be the funding side of this build. Investor demands to

1695
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 23: fund office has been pretty weak globally, and this is

1696
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 23: due to some of the low office occupancy rates post COVID,

1697
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 23: but prime New Zealand office has actually performed pretty strongly.

1698
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 23: But the assessment remains a week for officer investors, so

1699
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 23: potentially they might not contribute to this one.

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01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 3: Jeremy, would it be fair to say the precinct has

1701
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 3: seeing better returns from the residential developments then from office.

1702
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 23: Yeah, one could say that. I mean, precinct has got

1703
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 23: a very solid residential development strategy as well. They've been

1704
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:27,879
Speaker 23: targeting mid to high end departments and key locations like Parnell, Auckland,

1705
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 23: Domain and Dominion Roads, and they're also venturing into student

1706
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 23: accommodation in Central Auckland as well, and today they announced

1707
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 23: that they have found a capital partner to help with

1708
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 23: that project on Queen Street, so one could take that

1709
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:44,640
Speaker 23: as a strong endorsement for that strategy. And then just

1710
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:48,600
Speaker 23: the final point, the listed real estate companies are in

1711
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 23: an interesting space right now. They're it's traditionally one of

1712
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:55,679
Speaker 23: the most interest rate sensitive sectors out there and given

1713
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 23: the LBNZ it's fairly dubblished pivot recently, some of those

1714
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 23: head win from interest rates at their face over the

1715
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:04,759
Speaker 23: past few years could be turning around into a tailwind.

1716
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,879
Speaker 3: Now on anyw Zealand, what are you expecting for tomorrow?

1717
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 23: Yeah, it's fair to say in New Zeand will report

1718
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 23: a fairly challenging result tomorrow for its twenty twenty four

1719
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 23: financial year. And to be honest, they've been hit from

1720
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 23: all angles recently, the plane engine issues in particular impacting

1721
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 23: the number of planes that they can fly, so this

1722
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 23: has reduced volume, which is a key metric. And then

1723
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 23: there's also been an intense competition, particularly on the North

1724
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 23: American routes as well. And at the same time, as

1725
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 23: we know, flying or traveling is discretionary, and the consumer

1726
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 23: demand has fallen away post the post COVID travel booms.

1727
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 23: So the outlook twenty twenty five will be interesting. I

1728
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 23: suspect it'll be pretty downbeat still with only really the

1729
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 23: air what costs for jet fuel having moved in there

1730
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 23: in the airline's direction over the past few months.

1731
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 3: Tell you what Jeremy interesting times really your time? That's

1732
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 3: Jeremy Hutton of Milford Asset Management, Heather, how much did

1733
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 3: the woolworks rebrand cost? Four hundred million dollars? Probably, well,

1734
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 3: that's what they said it was going to be, so

1735
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 3: it's probably more than four hundred million dollars. That's a

1736
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,600
Speaker 3: huge amount of money here that my son isn't a

1737
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 3: top stream maths class in his year and he failed

1738
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 3: the numerously corequisite exam. He is getting excellent in all

1739
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 3: his other maths assessments. Okay, Mandy, what does that tell

1740
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 3: you about the math's assessments? What does that tell you?

1741
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 3: So this is the exam, this is what they've got

1742
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 3: to know. And meanwhile, he's getting excellent and everything else.

1743
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:35,839
Speaker 3: I just think that I think NCAA is an absolute

1744
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 3: bloody joke. Anyway, listen, we're going to talk to the

1745
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 3: some transport expert next stand.

1746
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 1: By crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather

1747
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 1: dupic Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to my HR,

1748
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME on news talks mb.

1749
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 3: Gvin Grays with us out of the UK in about

1750
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:07,719
Speaker 3: ten minutes. I don't pick Gavin as an Oasis man,

1751
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 3: but look, you know, you could be surprised, you know.

1752
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 3: I just feel like he might have come of age

1753
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 3: before Oasis, and I also feel like Oasis is bother

1754
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 3: boy tendencies would be beneath Gavin. He's a classy man,

1755
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? I'm not, but they're

1756
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 3: not beneath me at all, but him, I think so. Anyhow,

1757
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 3: we'll find out in about ten minutes time where he's

1758
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 3: got it, whether he's standing by to get his tickets. Heither.

1759
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 3: My son is year ten in b stream in hawk Space.

1760
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 3: So he's not the smartest at maths. It's just like okay,

1761
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,720
Speaker 3: at maths. He thought the exams were easy, and he

1762
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 3: passed the exams and he cannot understand how anyone can fail.

1763
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable the low results from New Zealand children. Thank you,

1764
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 3: Tina has, Tina has. Tina has actually addressed something that's

1765
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:50,799
Speaker 3: part of the problem with NCEEA, which is subjective, isn't it.

1766
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 3: So one assessor we'll have a different opinion versus another

1767
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 3: assessor of whether a child is actually achieving or not,

1768
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 3: whether they're marit Like, I just think the whole things

1769
01:24:57,479 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 3: are complete shambles and you just need you need to

1770
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 3: be you need to have an totally objective view of this.

1771
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 3: This is the question. The answer can only be correct

1772
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 3: in one way the end. No no facthing around going.

1773
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 3: I think they made a good effort, None of that stuff.

1774
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 3: It's yes or no, and then you get a mark

1775
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 3: twenty three away from seven. Now. The government's announced today

1776
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 3: an attempt to take the politics out of transport by

1777
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 3: setting up an agency that will plan ahead for the

1778
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:25,720
Speaker 3: next thirty years. Tony Canavan is ewi's global transport leader.

1779
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 3: He's visiting New Zealand from Singapore. Hey Tony, Hi have

1780
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 3: a so where in New Zealand are you right now?

1781
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 24: I'm sitting at the Building Nations conference in Auckland down

1782
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 24: by the water all right about eight hundred other people.

1783
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 3: Have you had a look at the infrastructure in Auckland.

1784
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,439
Speaker 24: I only just arrived yesterday, but i have been in

1785
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:47,719
Speaker 24: Auckland before, so I've got a broad familiarity with it.

1786
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 3: Rated out of ten for.

1787
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 24: Me, I think it's up there at seven eight. It's

1788
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 24: had some growing pains over the years.

1789
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 3: I don't mean tony. I don't mean like the awesomeness

1790
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:01,840
Speaker 3: of the city. I mean the the infrastructure. I'd give

1791
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 3: it a sort of like I'd be thinking if you're

1792
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 3: below five, you'd be about right. Like maybe i'd give

1793
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 3: you a five. If you're feeling generous, really stand by

1794
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 3: a seven.

1795
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:12,640
Speaker 24: Well, I wouldn't be a very good visitor if I

1796
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 24: came in and started giving rankings like that. But I

1797
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 24: do know that, like a lot of successful cities, it's

1798
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 24: had a lot of growth and it's not always easy

1799
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 24: to keep up with that growth.

1800
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:23,799
Speaker 8: And you do see a bit of that in Auckland.

1801
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 24: But there's also a lot of good things about it too,

1802
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 24: So I think I'll sell it with my current score.

1803
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 8: Thank you.

1804
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 3: Heab Okay, if you could do anything to Auckland to

1805
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 3: improve the infrastructure. What would you do.

1806
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 24: Well, As I said, I think, you know, keeping up

1807
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 24: with growth. Growth is a good thing, you know, it's

1808
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 24: a sign of success. But keeping up with growth is difficult,

1809
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 24: particularly when it comes to transport, and so having a

1810
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 24: comprehensive plan, you know, across all the modes of transport,

1811
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 24: so that people, the community, investors, leaders come and go

1812
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 24: and the next one comes along what the plan is

1813
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 24: so that the network can grow with the people. And

1814
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 24: I think that that's something that Auckland could benefit from.

1815
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 3: The Government has just announced today a twenty six million

1816
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:14,599
Speaker 3: dollar Infrastructure Agency that will work through a thirty year

1817
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 3: pipeline of infrastructure projects. Is it a smart idea to

1818
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 3: decide in twenty twenty four what we are going to

1819
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 3: be building in twenty fifty four.

1820
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 8: Yes, I think it is.

1821
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 24: It doesn't mean that you're going to absolutely stick to

1822
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 24: it religiously, but I think with infrastructure it has such

1823
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 24: a long life header now it takes a long time

1824
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 24: to build, then it will be around for thirty, forty, fifty,

1825
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 24: even one hundred years, that you do need to look

1826
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 24: a long way ahead. And yes, you make adjustments as

1827
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 24: you go along. So I think it's always a good

1828
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 24: idea to put a plan in place.

1829
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 8: And have that there.

1830
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,679
Speaker 24: It's sent a signal and it gives people an idea

1831
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 24: of the direction you're going. So generally speaking, I think

1832
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 24: I think it's the right thing to make sure you're

1833
01:27:55,479 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 24: doing planning properly, particularly where you're a city and country

1834
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:02,440
Speaker 24: is growing in the way that Auckland is.

1835
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 3: Is there a balance to be strong? I mean, at

1836
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 3: the moment we have a real political debate. People on

1837
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 3: the right and the scene to right really want to

1838
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 3: build roads and kind of get that get that freight

1839
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 3: going and get people moving in their cars. People on

1840
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 3: the left and the center left really want to build

1841
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 3: cycle ways. How do you kind of balance that out

1842
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 3: when I mean it's you know, I love a good

1843
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 3: cycle way, but it seems kind of silly to be

1844
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 3: building something that's only used by about ten people a day.

1845
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 24: Well, I don't think bicycle pars are silly, but I

1846
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 24: do think the overall competition, if you're like sometimes between

1847
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 24: road and public transport and bicycle pars, that can be

1848
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 24: a bit silly in my opinion, because each has a

1849
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 24: role to play, and when you look at the different

1850
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 24: modes of transport, they're good for different types of journeys,

1851
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 24: and the best networks around the world are truly multimodal

1852
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 24: and look for the best way to balance the investment

1853
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 24: across those things, not to try and put all the

1854
01:28:58,479 --> 01:28:59,559
Speaker 24: eggs into one basket.

1855
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,720
Speaker 3: This same game, isn't it. I mean, you've only got

1856
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 3: so much money.

1857
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 8: Sorry I missed that.

1858
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 3: It's a zero some game. You've only got so much money.

1859
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 3: So if you're taking money and you're pup popping it

1860
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 3: into an expensive cycle where you don't have.

1861
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 24: It for roads, yeah, well that's when the plan, that's

1862
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 24: the plan is is referred to, is so important because

1863
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 24: if you don't have the plan and you haven't thought

1864
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 24: about the priorities, and you've got limited funds, as you've said,

1865
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:25,759
Speaker 24: then you can make the wrong choice with those funds.

1866
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 24: In the end, the most important decision you can make

1867
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 24: is to do the right project.

1868
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 8: Now each has the role to play.

1869
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 24: And you know, doing that kind of planning enables you

1870
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 24: to find the right balance and get the people, get

1871
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:41,640
Speaker 24: people using the right the right infrastructure for the right

1872
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 24: types of journeys.

1873
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 3: So for us with a congestion charge, it feels very

1874
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:47,760
Speaker 3: much like it's time has come in the country, and

1875
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 3: I think across the political spectrum there is agreement that

1876
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 3: we need to do this. But the difficulty we've got

1877
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 3: is that if we're going to force people out of

1878
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 3: their cars at peak travel, we need to have alternatives,

1879
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 3: and they are not necessarily there. Can we actually go

1880
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:03,600
Speaker 3: ahead with it if people don't have an alternative public transport.

1881
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,599
Speaker 24: Well, I think they hit the nail on the head, Heather,

1882
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:10,640
Speaker 24: because there are strong arguments for a congesting charge. I

1883
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 24: mean there's been cities that have done it. You mentioned Singapore,

1884
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 24: you can look at London, Stockholm and they've had such success.

1885
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 24: But the things that those countries have had in place,

1886
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:24,720
Speaker 24: and you really need to make sure you have in

1887
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 24: place when you launch into this sort of reform is well,

1888
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 24: the first thing is the.

1889
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:31,719
Speaker 8: Alternatives that you just mentioned.

1890
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 24: I mean, when Singapore upgraded to their electronic road pricing system,

1891
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 24: which congested charging, they were building the metro system at

1892
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 24: the same time, so they were creating that alternative. You've

1893
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 24: also got to make sure you're not hurting low income

1894
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 24: groups because in New Zealand and in countries like Australia,

1895
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 24: people rely on their cars to get around, so you

1896
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 24: need to calibrate it carefully so that you're not hurting

1897
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:59,680
Speaker 24: the people you really don't want to hurt. And you've

1898
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 24: got to have things like city bypassing and stuff like that.

1899
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 24: So there's definitely an argument for it, but you have

1900
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:06,680
Speaker 24: to be very careful to make sure you've got the

1901
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:07,599
Speaker 24: other things in place.

1902
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 8: So I think you nail on the head.

1903
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 7: Tony.

1904
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for talking us, so I really

1905
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 3: appreciate your expertise. Tony Canevan, Global transport leader for the

1906
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 3: government sector. E y visiting New Zealand from Singapore. Here

1907
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 3: that our daughter went to a primary school in the

1908
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 3: remy where a meadowbank area des Alten. Her teacher said

1909
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 3: she was dumb and borderline special needs. It was unbelievable,

1910
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 3: so we sent her to Saint Cuthberts At twenty eight

1911
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 3: thousand dollars a year in the junior school. She's now

1912
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 3: in the top two percent of her age group in

1913
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 3: the country. So work that out. Who can explain that? Yeah,

1914
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:41,840
Speaker 3: just needed a bit of love and attention and a decent,

1915
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 3: decent school. I suppose Gavin Grays with us next. And

1916
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 3: whoa ho, ho have we got? Whoa have we got

1917
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 3: some breaking news from the one news team about somebody

1918
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 3: doing like a really surprisingly good story. Well stand by

1919
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 3: sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro or just playing economics, it's all on

1921
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 1: the Business Hour with Hither Duple c Ellen and my HR,

1922
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 1: the HR platform for seme us talk it be.

1923
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 3: Kevin Gray, are UK correspondent, is with us right now. Hello, Gevini,

1924
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:15,759
Speaker 3: you're standing by to buy your Oasis tickets.

1925
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 25: Ah No, I think there's going to be a heck

1926
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 25: of a rush on for those at the moment, and

1927
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 25: plenty of speculation as to why the brothers are getting

1928
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 25: back together. Incidentally, it's rumored it's for cash after a

1929
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 25: couple of or at least one quite expensive divorce. The brothers,

1930
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 25: incidentally in Oasis, are denying that's the reason behind this tour.

1931
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 3: I picked you as not an Oasis fan, Gevens, basically

1932
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 3: because I think you're too classy for their nonsense to

1933
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 3: be about run I do.

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Speaker 25: I do have an album of theirs, but yeah, I

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Speaker 25: look at I think they're okay, just not my particular

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Speaker 25: cup of tea.

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Speaker 3: I guess here enough. Hey, so Keir Starmer's trying to

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Speaker 3: turn a bit of a corner on bricks A. What's

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Speaker 3: he planning to.

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Speaker 25: Do well, yeah, it's it's got people slightly concerned. Those

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Speaker 25: that you know voted for Brexit, don't you know aware

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Speaker 25: of what comes with this Because with any negotiation you

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Speaker 25: might get something, but you're going to have to give

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Speaker 25: something as well, and that's what some are concerned about

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Speaker 25: here in the UK. But the Prime Minister is in

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Speaker 25: Berlin for talks with the German Chancellor O Schultz and

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Speaker 25: he said, yes, this is all part of a deal

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Speaker 25: to turn a corner on Brexit. We know they're going

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Speaker 25: to try and reach an agreement on things like energy, security,

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Speaker 25: technology and science. They're also going to be looking at

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Speaker 25: access to each other's markets and trade across the North Sea.

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Speaker 25: So all of that I suppose that's fine. And the

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Speaker 25: Labor leader says that he wants to reset relations with

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Speaker 25: Europe after of course, Low's after Boris Johnson. Not any

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Speaker 25: better under Liz trust and sort of slightly more amicable

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Speaker 25: under Rishi Sunak. But there's no doubt that Europe, I think,

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Speaker 25: hopes to change a political party here will mean that

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Speaker 25: things are a lot friendly, and there's nothing wrong at

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Speaker 25: all in that friendliness. The question is is here's some

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Speaker 25: willing to give in to certain things in order to

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Speaker 25: forge that closer relationship with the EU, and after he

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Speaker 25: is in Germany, will then traveled to France as well

1963
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Speaker 25: to meet President Emmanuel Macron and see the opening ceremony

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Speaker 25: for the Paralympics in Paris.

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Speaker 3: Yes, of course they're tepening tonight. Hey, I'm along with

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Speaker 3: shocks by how much your fish and ships has gone up?

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Speaker 25: By yeah, me too. So it is of course the

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Speaker 25: quintessential British takeaway dish, fish and chips. But according to

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Speaker 25: a survey, the average price has risen nearly fifty percent

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Speaker 25: in the last five years. Kebab's incidental you have gone

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Speaker 25: up forty five percent, pizza thirty percent, but fish and

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Speaker 25: ships has gone up, particularly because of what's been called

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Speaker 25: a perfect storm in the industry, that being poor potato

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Speaker 25: harvests for the last couple of years both here and

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Speaker 25: in Europe, and also as part of the sanctions on Russia,

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Speaker 25: imports on Ushian seafood have gone up thirty five percent

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Speaker 25: as part of a tariff in response to the invasion

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Speaker 25: of Ukraine. And so because the fish is more expensive

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Speaker 25: and the chips are more expensive, fish and chips have

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Speaker 25: gone up considerably. And added to all of that, of course,

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Speaker 25: energy bills and these fish and chip pryors on this

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Speaker 25: big scale over takeaway burn a lot of energy, so

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Speaker 25: I'm afraid it has become quite an expensive dish. The

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Speaker 25: average price of a takeaway fish and chips is now

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Speaker 25: twenty two New Zealand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: That's yeah, jeez, it's not cheap, Gevin, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Good luck with them paying for them. There's Devin gray

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Speaker 3: Are UK correspondent rd oh breaking news out of the

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Speaker 3: TVNZ in political gallery that may in fact impress you

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Speaker 3: ten to seven, whether.

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Speaker 1: It's macro, micro or just plain economics. It's all on

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Speaker 1: the Business Hour with Hither Duplicy Ellen and my HR,

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Speaker 1: the HR platform for sme us TALKXIP.

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Speaker 3: All right, it's seven away from seven and this is

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Speaker 3: the moment in which we may have some breaking news

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Speaker 3: to share with you. One News political reporter Benedict CONNADT

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Speaker 3: Collins may have had his first piece that's actually critical

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Speaker 3: of labor this evening. This is all about a story

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Speaker 3: that Ginny Anderson was spooking this morning.

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Speaker 26: Police numbers are down and also foot patrols across New

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Speaker 26: Zealand are down.

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Speaker 3: So what Ginny was doing was she got the number

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Speaker 3: of foot patrols in December and then she got the

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Speaker 3: number of foot patrols in June, and she compared them

2006
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Speaker 3: and she found that it was way higher in December

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Speaker 3: than it was in June. But Benedict was smelling a rat.

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Speaker 2: What happens every December?

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Speaker 26: What happens every December as we sometimes see.

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Speaker 2: A peak, actually is this graph shows we always see

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Speaker 2: a peak in foot patrols in December.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why would that be? Oh, because it's summer and

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Speaker 3: we have summer festivals and you've got to have foot

2014
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Speaker 3: patrols there. And we have a whole bunch of people

2015
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Speaker 3: cutting certain beaches like the Coramandel and the mount and

2016
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Speaker 3: beaches up north, and so you've got to have foot

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Speaker 3: patrols there. So every single December we've got a whole

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Speaker 3: lot more coppers out there. So Benedict wasn't happy with

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Speaker 3: Ginny's numbers. Dug up the real numbers.

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Speaker 11: But if we compare things, if we take a slightly

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Speaker 11: different period, If we compare June this year with June

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Speaker 11: last year.

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Speaker 2: There's a five percent increase.

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Speaker 5: If we compare May last year with May this year,

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Speaker 5: there's a twenty six percent increase in foot patrols in April.

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Speaker 2: It's a sixteen percent increase. I mean the number of

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Speaker 2: foot patrols is going up knocked down, isn't it?

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Speaker 3: Though? No, says Jinny.

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Speaker 2: It's clear that the number of foot patrols is going up.

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Speaker 26: I don't agree with your numbers.

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Speaker 2: Hey, how can you not agree with the numbers? This

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Speaker 2: is off the police data website. This is the numbers.

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Speaker 26: Just because we see a spike in crime is not

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Speaker 26: a sufficient reason to say that there should be fewer

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Speaker 26: foot patrols. We should all see more consistent foot patrolling

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Speaker 26: across the board.

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Speaker 2: But there's way more foot patrols.

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Speaker 3: I don't agree. The sky is not blue. The sky

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Speaker 3: is not blue. Okay, Jinny, Okay, you're living in Donald

2040
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Speaker 3: Trump's alternative facts world there, mate, How good was that?

2041
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Speaker 12: Though?

2042
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Speaker 3: Then a dick? It's for the interdex because you know

2043
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Speaker 3: what some what do they say in in in media

2044
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Speaker 3: surprise and delight? We were surprised and we were delighted. Ans.

2045
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Speaker 27: Oh, we always try and surprise and delight, and I'm

2046
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Speaker 27: sure they do over there as well. Here that some

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Speaker 27: might say by a oasis to play us out tonight. Yes,

2048
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Speaker 27: we're doing Oasis three nights in a row. Sorry, that's

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Speaker 27: what the music news is at the moment. Everyone everyone's

2050
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Speaker 27: into the Oas.

2051
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and how annoying are these? Listen if you're sending

2052
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Speaker 3: me the texts like please tell me how much I

2053
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 3: need to pay to not go to Oasis? Why you've

2054
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:28,439
Speaker 3: got why if you've got to be a negative naniney

2055
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 3: like that, what's your problem?

2056
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Speaker 27: Yeah, that's the thing that's happening on literally the other

2057
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Speaker 27: side of the world, so you really don't need to

2058
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Speaker 27: wait on it.

2059
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Speaker 3: Situation biggest music news this decade thus far.

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Speaker 27: I mean, the real question is if they take it

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Speaker 27: into more of a world tour, will this tour be

2062
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Speaker 27: bigger than the Tailor Swift Sarah's tour text nine two

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Speaker 27: nine two.

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Speaker 8: There you go.

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Speaker 3: You know that Darcy's going to now try and talk

2066
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Speaker 3: about something like I don't know sport and he's just

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Speaker 3: going to be He's.

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Speaker 27: Just don't actually don't actually text that. Maybe Marcus will

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Speaker 27: pick it up.

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Speaker 3: We'll see how about this? Okay, Apparently Oasis could make

2071
01:38:56,920 --> 01:38:59,960
Speaker 3: more in this tour than this is just the U

2072
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:02,920
Speaker 3: K tour than they made in the entire nineties. They

2073
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Speaker 3: reckon that they're going to make eight hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: million dollars New Zealand eight hundred and fifty million in sales.

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Speaker 3: They will each earn more than one hundred million dollars

2076
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Speaker 3: just from this. They don't know how much the tickets

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Speaker 3: are going to cost, but they'll probably be ten times

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Speaker 3: what they were back in nineteen ninety five, which is

2079
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Speaker 3: the last time, oh not the last time they to it,

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Speaker 3: but when they were their hype really touring, there was

2081
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:25,559
Speaker 3: about thirty bucks. Yet back then everybody is worried they're

2082
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Speaker 3: gonna have a fight. So apparently the contracts will be

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01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:31,479
Speaker 3: water tight so that they will have financial ruin if

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Speaker 3: they walk away from it. How good is that? That's

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Speaker 3: why people are nasty about Oas. It's just jealous of

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Speaker 3: all their money.

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Speaker 27: And I tell you what, if you managed to pay

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Speaker 27: like whatever, I'd love to see what the ticket costs

2089
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Speaker 27: the nose, if it was like fifty quid or something

2090
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Speaker 27: like that, you are never going to.

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Speaker 15: Pay that again.

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Speaker 3: Never never enjoy the rest of the song. And we're

2093
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Speaker 3: going to see you tomorrow. Newsfil as they beg

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