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Speaker 4: Hello, We're back on the front foot and the review
Speaker 4: of the World Test Championship Final. It delivers a surprise
Speaker 4: winner or was it staged at Lord's? Apparently a sellout
Speaker 4: allow on the opening of two days. It's seen therever
Speaker 4: plenty of spare seats. Was a Test quality cricket fourteen
Speaker 4: wickets on day one on day two? Was it the
Speaker 4: pitch or was it technique? It was it top class
Speaker 4: following from both sides? Had the gloss gone from the
Speaker 4: Ossie top automatic? Another cricket. We've got a New Zealand
Speaker 4: a women's team heading for England for developmental experience. Good
Speaker 4: stuff and remember this takes a peek back fifty years
Speaker 4: for a unique New Zealand performance.
Speaker 3: Bear with me on the front foot.
Speaker 4: Here he goes.
Speaker 3: The bouncer.
Speaker 4: Despite what the ICC cheerleaders previously known as Test Crickets
Speaker 4: would tell you, it wasn't the brilliant finale for the
Speaker 4: World Test Championship, the pinnacle game. That's my view anyway.
Speaker 4: Even after the coin toss, which was made to look
Speaker 4: like the climax scene from Ben Hur, it took to
Speaker 4: the third day to see any batting of quality. We
Speaker 4: should have seen better from the two Test teams. One
Speaker 4: of them hadn't played for five months, the other four
Speaker 4: little build up. Oh boy, Sorry Jeremy Kaney is with us.
Speaker 4: Sorry Jerry, but that's my view of the game show piece.
Speaker 4: Am I right or wrong? You can hit my bouncer
Speaker 4: for six.
Speaker 5: Hello Wads from England. The weather is actually nice and
Speaker 5: fine at the moment. I've come from from London up
Speaker 5: to by train up to a place called Ketthering which
Speaker 5: is on the on in the eastern side of England,
Speaker 5: and with a mate and so that's that's where I
Speaker 5: am at this morning speaking to you. It is morning here.
Speaker 5: That's an interesting idea you got, Wads. I thought the
Speaker 5: game itself and you talk about the conditions.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like two tests.
Speaker 5: The first test being the first two days, and the
Speaker 5: second test being so the last day and a third.
Speaker 5: Certainly you you have been, as I have to Lords
Speaker 5: a few times now. It's quite an intimate ground and
Speaker 5: the sense that you can kind of see people and
Speaker 5: if you if you're sort of sort of friend coming
Speaker 5: down from the other end, you can sort of wave
Speaker 5: out to him because you can actually see them. And
Speaker 5: it is quite close the whole ground. And that's that's
Speaker 5: how it feels, you know, that hum they talk about
Speaker 5: at Lord's Watch. You don't get that at many other grounds.
Speaker 5: And close can also be used as a description.
Speaker 3: I think of.
Speaker 5: The weather and you get here, I think in England
Speaker 5: that time between sort of spring and then going into
Speaker 5: high summer, and you get quite a closed and enclosed,
Speaker 5: close ground as well. And look, I just thought the
Speaker 5: first two days, the ball itself, as you know a
Speaker 5: new duke, does move around a little bit more susceptible,
Speaker 5: as every cricket ball is to barometric pressure. In other words,
Speaker 5: there's more pressure on one side of the ball and
Speaker 5: the other the ball starts to swing. And I just
Speaker 5: felt that all you know, you're right about the number
Speaker 5: of people.
Speaker 3: I'll give you a Teck there.
Speaker 5: I think the first couple of days it wasn't quite
Speaker 5: the numbers that they were talking about, But it's hard
Speaker 5: to overstate just how important the overhead conditions are at
Speaker 5: Lords in the first couple of days, low cloud preventing
Speaker 5: any moisture coming out of the ground, and they do
Speaker 5: water those grounds, you know, they make them look very
Speaker 5: nice on the telly and all that stuff. They like
Speaker 5: to see nice green grass, mowan in different ways and patterns,
Speaker 5: and so the moisture comes up out of the ground
Speaker 5: and if there's nowhere for it to go because there's
Speaker 5: low clouds and everything, and there was and so therefore
Speaker 5: was a good toss to win.
Speaker 3: It certainly does nip about. There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 5: And I do feel that both sides had a very
Speaker 5: much a reshaped top order, didn't they.
Speaker 3: And Australia they had Kwaja, but.
Speaker 5: He he who was really originally a middle order player,
Speaker 5: and they tried to outlast the movement I think Australia
Speaker 5: and so Kowaja was gone.
Speaker 3: They had a new opener in Lava Shane.
Speaker 5: They moved out that that movement of constance away from
Speaker 5: opening was meant two different changes didn't it.
Speaker 3: It meant Labashane going up.
Speaker 5: He'd never opened before in a Test match, and it
Speaker 5: meant bringing in cam Green who'd come from a second
Speaker 5: division you know, play over in England and was put
Speaker 5: up at number three where had never batted much before either.
Speaker 5: And so it wasn't until you got down to Steve
Speaker 5: Smith and also then to Head that you had two
Speaker 5: people in their usual positions. And I felt, I felt Rabada,
Speaker 5: I don't know what you think. I think he's quite
Speaker 5: a good bowler. Actually, I mean he's aker. Yeah, he's
Speaker 5: like a lies not the place of Malcolm Marshall, but
Speaker 5: he's kind of like that, but he seems that a
Speaker 5: bit more.
Speaker 3: He's at you all the time.
Speaker 5: And his five wickets in that innings in the first
Speaker 5: innings certainly sorted Australia out. C Smith about it quite well,
Speaker 5: didn't you think wads in those conditions?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and you would expect it from a man
Speaker 4: who hadn't played a lot of cricket. We were led
Speaker 4: to believe that. The point that I want to make
Speaker 4: and is both the sides were underprepared. They hadn't played
Speaker 4: any proper cricket. Now we understand the first day of
Speaker 4: a Test match, the ball is going to nip about
Speaker 4: and it's kind to swing. But on television I didn't
Speaker 4: sense that it was untoward. There were so many players
Speaker 4: beaten between bat and pad. I mean there was lbw's
Speaker 4: and the stumps were hit where to my mind, you've
Speaker 4: got to adjust your technique, don't you for first day
Speaker 4: because you know it's gonna you know it's gonna have
Speaker 4: a little bit of bounce, you know it's likely to swing.
Speaker 4: That to me is part of a Test cricket. Yet
Speaker 4: both sides looked below par with the bat.
Speaker 3: No, I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 5: I've just got to say, I'm afraid it's now a
Speaker 5: function of how we have moved away from openers, you know,
Speaker 5: a specialist position. We don't have those or many of
Speaker 5: them nowadays. What they are are middle order dashes, and
Speaker 5: we've created them into openers like Ben Duckett for example,
Speaker 5: or Crawley, both middle order players. You don't get those
Speaker 5: nuggety openers any longer. Who will you set out their
Speaker 5: stall and not get beaten on the inside edge, but
Speaker 5: in a bat in the pad, So you you know,
Speaker 5: the Langers, the Bruce Edgars, those kinds of players, you
Speaker 5: know Boone who came up as well and became an
Speaker 5: opener and then a number three as well. So they
Speaker 5: do not exist around in our test cricket. I don't
Speaker 5: think any longer. And I don't know how you feel
Speaker 5: a bit like that. It's like pole of bears wads.
Speaker 5: It's the habitat, you know, and they're being killed off
Speaker 5: just the same as the template nowadays is an opener
Speaker 5: who dashes and scrashes his way to a quick thirty
Speaker 5: off the first six or seven overs. That's how we've
Speaker 5: got openers now, and they are loose and in those
Speaker 5: conditions you get found out.
Speaker 4: And they're being picked for that. That's fair enough, that's
Speaker 4: what the selectors want. But you get back to the scenario.
Speaker 4: Oh that's how I play, so you know, I'll always
Speaker 4: be on a hiding to nothing at times. Every now
Speaker 4: and again it'll come off. But it's not, to my
Speaker 4: mind the sort of thing that you expect quality Test cricket.
Speaker 4: If you've played and they pay good money to get
Speaker 4: into the ground there at lords, don't they Oh yes,
Speaker 4: don't believe. I mean you you were in the middle
Speaker 4: of it, so you saw better than night and I'm
Speaker 4: watching from television. I just thought both sides were let
Speaker 4: down by poor batting against very good bowling. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's as good a bowling as there's going to be
Speaker 4: in any game, isn't the Aussie attack and also the
Speaker 4: South African attack. But to me, the first two game
Speaker 4: days twenty eight wickets banged Test match over.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then we got the second Test, which is
Speaker 5: on the same one.
Speaker 3: If you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: As soon as those as soon as those low clouds
Speaker 5: dissipated and in came the sun. Man did that pitch
Speaker 5: just sort of it suddenly it looks straw colored and
Speaker 5: well on that third days, you know, four wichs only,
Speaker 5: that's right, and four wickets only fell. One was the
Speaker 5: number ten, one was a number eleven, for heaven say,
Speaker 5: and then and then of course two wickets to the
Speaker 5: new ball, you know, Rickleton, and then we Unmolder again,
Speaker 5: someone who's reshaping his position at number three. So there
Speaker 5: were lots of changes between these sides that they're not
Speaker 5: They weren't quite at their best. I agree with you
Speaker 5: about a warm up game. The Aussies don't agree with that.
Speaker 5: I brought that up in commentary and said don't you
Speaker 5: think these these two teams might have done a little
Speaker 5: bit better if they'd had a match before this? And
Speaker 5: the assie turned to me and said, no, we don't
Speaker 5: believe in that we practiced much better than playing in
Speaker 5: the game.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't believe that myself.
Speaker 5: I didn't answer, but my silence was supposed to project
Speaker 5: that I thought South Africa. Certainly they did have a
Speaker 5: bit of a match, I think, but yes, I agree
Speaker 5: with you. And the pitch itself didn't look you know,
Speaker 5: virulent green. They've got a new grounds there was. They
Speaker 5: don't have Mick Hunt any longer. He's an Irish feller
Speaker 5: and he what's his name, Carl McDermott is his name.
Speaker 5: And I'll tell you something else was you might know.
Speaker 5: There's a New Zealand girl who was also on that
Speaker 5: meg lay.
Speaker 3: She's from christ Church.
Speaker 5: She was an arable farmer doing pea harvests and things
Speaker 5: like that in christ Church and she decided that okay,
Speaker 5: I'm going to go to England and try and work.
Speaker 5: She loves grass and she got a job at Bristol
Speaker 5: and Gloucestershire under Seawan Williams and was there for a
Speaker 5: couple of years and then she went to Edgeburston and
Speaker 5: she was actually in charge of an all women's ground
Speaker 5: staff for the women's Ashes tests and the one that
Speaker 5: was there in Edgebison, so that was quite a nice
Speaker 5: touch all women playing in the Test match and in
Speaker 5: the Ashes and then in all women's ground staff there.
Speaker 5: And now she's come to Lord's Loves the job. She
Speaker 5: posts all the socials you know, and that's where you
Speaker 5: will have may have heard about her. But I just,
Speaker 5: I just I think it was great.
Speaker 4: That she was there.
Speaker 3: But I thought it was smart.
Speaker 4: Did you get a telephone number?
Speaker 3: Maybe I didn't. I'm sorry I didn't speak to her
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 4: We could have put her on the program or nice
Speaker 4: to have a child.
Speaker 5: Well, there's no reason why we couldn't. Couldn't do that,
Speaker 5: no reason at all. She actually goes to places like anfield,
Speaker 5: you know, where they play all the footy as well.
Speaker 5: So she's she's busy. She's a busy girl and she's
Speaker 5: doing very very well, very well.
Speaker 4: So that's great. We'll try and get hold.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, but just a quick thing on you know,
Speaker 5: I think it was smart of South Africa to have
Speaker 5: a crack first. It wasn't brave because the conditions were
Speaker 5: such as a bit murky and our best chance of
Speaker 5: winning the game is bowling first, and and it sort
Speaker 5: of suited it. But Middlesex also who play there, obviously
Speaker 5: at Lord, if you look at the way their county
Speaker 5: games have gone, if they've won the toss, they have
Speaker 5: batted second and fourth because they know that if they
Speaker 5: can last and get to a chase. In the last
Speaker 5: innings they were getting chases like three hundred and fifty
Speaker 5: and getting them, so they knew how the pitch was
Speaker 5: actually going. And obviously South Africa did as well. And
Speaker 5: that's what we saw happen. Man, we saw some interesting
Speaker 5: batting from South Africa. And that first innings, didn't we
Speaker 5: And that first first day twenty odd overs for forty
Speaker 5: runs or something. Man, I mean, I've never seen how
Speaker 5: labored they were. They simply couldn't score could they couldn't
Speaker 5: even get singles.
Speaker 4: They was extraordinary, much more aggressive line on the second morning,
Speaker 4: didn't they. It didn't die yet great degree, but they
Speaker 4: showed an intention that they wanted to score runs and
Speaker 4: compete rather than just occupy crease and make up the numbers.
Speaker 4: Having put the opposition and bowl them for just over
Speaker 4: two hundred. You know you're in you're in the box seat,
Speaker 4: aren't you.
Speaker 5: Well you are, you got to You've got a chance then,
Speaker 5: and they had. They had created that chance by bowling
Speaker 5: Osie out for just over two hundred and ten.
Speaker 3: But their scoring was imperceptible.
Speaker 4: It sort of is.
Speaker 5: They sort of treated their crease as a layer and
Speaker 5: they declined to come out of it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: They they yes, they needed to stay in. Every batsman
Speaker 5: needs to do that. But why why do you stay
Speaker 5: in so you can score runs? And they forgot about
Speaker 5: that part of the equation, it seemed to me. And
Speaker 5: you're right, Bavooma came out and batted with Beddingham and
Speaker 5: that first and news and at least they got to
Speaker 5: one hundred and thirty and are behind about by seventy
Speaker 5: odd runs. And then you know, and then in came
Speaker 5: Robarda again and instead of losing five wik it's quickly
Speaker 5: this time between Barda and and Geedee, who improved his performance.
Speaker 5: Suddenly they lost six wickets, didn't they And they were
Speaker 5: in trouble of not setting a total at all Australia
Speaker 5: until and if here's a posit for you, odds. If
Speaker 5: Australia on that third morning with a nice clear sky
Speaker 5: and the straw.
Speaker 3: Colored pitch, if instead.
Speaker 5: Of being eight down there only they are only five down,
Speaker 5: imagine what could have happened and changed in the game
Speaker 5: with the conditions changing, you know, they could have posted
Speaker 5: a hell of much a bigger total.
Speaker 4: Yeah, bearing in mind the batting of Stark, Yeah, you're
Speaker 4: probably right, but you look back at it and you've
Speaker 4: been around some of the Australians must or shouldn't they
Speaker 4: be worried about their batting lineup for the ashes coming
Speaker 4: up because it doesn't seem to me to have the
Speaker 4: fizz or sparkle that we expect. I know they'll be
Speaker 4: at home. Travis will be an important part, but what
Speaker 4: about Kowaja and they haven't you know, they may have constants,
Speaker 4: but he's got a bit of work to do to
Speaker 4: become an international opener, hasn't He is their top six vulnerable?
Speaker 5: Some of them are, and it tends to be at
Speaker 5: the top in my opinion. But there's lots of talk
Speaker 5: now wadds about that top order right now now, whether
Speaker 5: Green goes down and he starts to bowl, because I mean,
Speaker 5: at the moment that's why they had Bo Webster there
Speaker 5: because they needed another bowler to give the four a break,
Speaker 5: and Mitch marsh was the one who was there. Wasn't
Speaker 5: he against the India and he didn't bowl much because
Speaker 5: he got injured. So they're having to re kind of
Speaker 5: pick their side from the bowling point of view as well.
Speaker 3: But Kwaja, yes, is a question, Laboshine.
Speaker 5: There are questions they're talking about Inglis coming in all
Speaker 5: sorts of things they're talking about. They're creating middle order
Speaker 5: players Brian, as I said before, and shoving them up
Speaker 5: to open and forgetting that it is.
Speaker 3: It is a specialist position.
Speaker 5: You watch the line of the ball and it means
Speaker 5: that you might miss out on a few drives because
Speaker 5: the ball's full and you let it go and it
Speaker 5: misses the stumps.
Speaker 3: You know, those those kinds of things.
Speaker 5: Because you're a line player, you watches as it's going
Speaker 5: to hit the stumps first, if it's outside you're right eye,
Speaker 5: you let her go and that's how you start to
Speaker 5: learn to play the game. But they've got middle order
Speaker 5: players who are dashers, and that's that's an issue that
Speaker 5: they are having to confront. Kawaja seems kind of stuck
Speaker 5: in the prease, doesn't he.
Speaker 3: He doesn't seem to want to play a shot well anyway,
Speaker 3: has he? Not a big mover? Not a big mover?
Speaker 5: And then Lavashane, I look, he's just quite an eccentric player,
Speaker 5: isn't he? And then Green pushing forward towards the line.
Speaker 5: That's a middle order approach when the ball's moving around.
Speaker 5: I thought Smith played a very good innings in the first.
Speaker 5: In the first got about sixty odd, didn't he? But
Speaker 5: he was organized. He was waiting for the short ball
Speaker 5: outside off and he had put it away behind point
Speaker 5: or knock it on the on side when they tried.
Speaker 3: To hit his pads.
Speaker 5: So look, I think Australia do have issues. To answer
Speaker 5: your question, it's number one, two, three, they've got a
Speaker 5: four and a five. They're going to keep going with
Speaker 5: Smith in head at number six. Whether that's cam Green
Speaker 5: or not, we'll wait and see in seven carry. So
Speaker 5: that part of the order I think is okay. I
Speaker 5: was pleased that's South Africa one. I don't mind bowlers
Speaker 5: being in charge either wise. To be really honest with you,
Speaker 5: I think the game is a better game when runs matter,
Speaker 5: When you get a forty or a fifty, it counts,
Speaker 5: and we just didn't kind of have enough players to
Speaker 5: do that.
Speaker 3: And the bowlers.
Speaker 5: Were in charge in the first two days. And it
Speaker 5: shows you how batting has changed. And that's a lot
Speaker 5: of T twenty cricket. It's a lot of dashing cricket.
Speaker 5: And that's the cost that it comes with if you
Speaker 5: don't have a defense.
Speaker 3: So I don't mind that. I think you've got to
Speaker 3: choose your sides for test cricket.
Speaker 5: It's a much more demanding game, isn't it. And you've
Speaker 5: found out.
Speaker 4: YEP and Australia are going to be tested again, of
Speaker 4: course because they're going to the Caribbean and the MASA
Speaker 4: is going to Johannesburg. But they're not going to planning
Speaker 4: test cricket.
Speaker 3: So well, I wonder, I wonder, what's do you think?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 5: They might they've got it. They might put pressure on
Speaker 5: the South African cricket board to say, look, why aren't
Speaker 5: we going to play Look, let's invite someone over to
Speaker 5: play some tests, so all our you know, people who
Speaker 5: are who w then there were a lot of South
Speaker 5: Africans there, man, Yeah, and they have a little drink
Speaker 5: drink after the game and they will tell you what
Speaker 5: they were. They were fathers and sons, they were grandfathers
Speaker 5: and sons. You know, it was a generational thing and
Speaker 5: some of those kids will remember that day and we
Speaker 5: don't know just how keen they'll be on cricket, but
Speaker 5: they may well become South African players themselves.
Speaker 3: Who knows. You know what a little memory does for
Speaker 3: a young lad.
Speaker 4: So the South African, the South African cricket board have
Speaker 4: got to contain a load of Indian white balls which
Speaker 4: they have to use up. And that's going to get
Speaker 4: anyway their test cricket.
Speaker 5: Well, I do hope that that changes. I hope that
Speaker 5: they are able to get at least one team and
Speaker 5: encourage them to get one team so everybody can watch
Speaker 5: their winning side.
Speaker 3: And I was pleased.
Speaker 5: Look at all the rubbish that were spoken beforehand about
Speaker 5: these guys shouldn't be here, but that wasn't their fault.
Speaker 5: We know that, we know the failings of the World Championship.
Speaker 5: You know, different number of games, different it's just impossible.
Speaker 5: They're all judged by a percentage figure, not just points,
Speaker 5: they're percentages and so look, I was really pleased that
Speaker 5: they were competitive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well we're going to be. We're going to be
Speaker 4: hearing from one of your old mates, John Parker's going
Speaker 4: to talk about a record fifty years ago, Oh Daddy's
Speaker 4: World Cup. Yeah, that's going to be with us. And
Speaker 4: what I want to keep an eye on too, is
Speaker 4: the New Zealand women's a squad. Eight or nine White
Speaker 4: Ferns are in it. They're being coached by Brendan Donkers
Speaker 4: and they've also got some powerful coaching Peter Boren and
Speaker 4: also Craig McMillan. So I applaud New Zealand Cricket for
Speaker 4: sending those young ladies over there in New Zealand side,
Speaker 4: not the frontline players, but some of us you've had
Speaker 4: White Fern experience. We'll get a time over there. I
Speaker 4: think they start playing this coming weekend, so we'll follow
Speaker 4: that with interest. Jerick.
Speaker 3: I saw that sidewad or the or the squad.
Speaker 5: I'm delighted that they are doing that and continuing what
Speaker 5: we have been seeing about the development of younger players,
Speaker 5: making them into better players.
Speaker 3: And to have that many a coaches.
Speaker 5: Brendan Donkers of course, Canterbury the bowling coach, and then
Speaker 5: McMillan the batting coach. Those are good appointments. I think experienced,
Speaker 5: experienced coaches assisting some of not just development players who
Speaker 5: they've highlighted to say oh you could be you could
Speaker 5: be something. But secondly some of them, as you say,
Speaker 5: Fern's player and developing and continuing that as well. I
Speaker 5: think it's a nice mix and so well done New Zealand.
Speaker 5: We often don't say well done to New Zealand, we
Speaker 5: tend to criticize them a little bit, but I think
Speaker 5: they're important. They are very important tours, these ones and
Speaker 5: we might get suddenly two or three players and that's fantastic.
Speaker 1: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 4: On the front foot with Jeremy Coney and Brian Roddell,
Speaker 4: thank you for joining us once again. Fifty years ago
Speaker 4: this week opening, Glenn Turner created a piece of cricket history.
Speaker 4: During the first ever World Cup. Turner scored the highest
Speaker 4: individual title in a One Day International, previously one hundred
Speaker 4: and sixteen by David Lloyd for England, Turner got one
Speaker 4: hundred and seventy one not out versus East Africa. It
Speaker 4: was a score that was to last eight years until
Speaker 4: June nineteen eighty three when cappal Dev did one hundred
Speaker 4: and seventy five against Zimbabwe. One man he must have
Speaker 4: had an important part in that and things was John Parker,
Speaker 4: who scored sixty six or sixty eight balls and a
Speaker 4: partnership of one hundred and forty nine with Turner after
Speaker 4: a labored beginning, a partnership that increased their tempo quite clearly,
Speaker 4: Parks joins us on the front foot once again. Nice
Speaker 4: to have you back with us, John. But the Turner
Speaker 4: runnings at Edgeburston it was a special innings as such,
Speaker 4: because in those days there was there was no sort
Speaker 4: of playbook for one day cricket as there seems to
Speaker 4: be today, wasn't it.
Speaker 6: Not at all?
Speaker 7: Yeah, Brian, thanks for having us. It's always good to
Speaker 7: join you and Jerry, at least in spirit.
Speaker 6: The Yeah, no, there was no there was no playbook.
Speaker 7: Because sixty over games they were then and East Africa
Speaker 7: were an unknown quantity.
Speaker 6: They were an interesting team, they were aged.
Speaker 7: They were experienced in whatever life brought to them, and
Speaker 7: the pitchers were just normal three day pitches that you
Speaker 7: happen to play sixty over games on.
Speaker 6: So yeah, it was a very different scene in those days.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it came at a time too when I
Speaker 4: suppose scoring centuries in one day as wasn't a common occurrence.
Speaker 4: I mean New Zealand had had two previously. I mean
Speaker 4: the records start back in nineteen seventy one. I think
Speaker 4: Ken Wadsworth got the first and Congo got the second.
Speaker 4: Glenn Turner's won seventy one was the third. So it
Speaker 4: wasn't common practice even around the world, was it.
Speaker 6: You've outlined there that lumitdovi. Cricket was quite young.
Speaker 7: It was at its at its initiations and turns. Of
Speaker 7: course we all know what turns developed into. Just did
Speaker 7: the master of these sorts of things, and once again
Speaker 7: he was the master of listening. So yeah, it was
Speaker 7: everything was new, it was everybody took it very seriously,
Speaker 7: but it wasn't. It didn't have the priority that it
Speaker 7: has now. Test cricket was number one, and first class
Speaker 7: cricket was a number two, and then all of a
Speaker 7: sudden there was this thing called limited overcricket.
Speaker 4: I suppose you were pioneers of the game in as
Speaker 4: much as no one was playing it, although you playing
Speaker 4: county cricket. I think at the time would have been
Speaker 4: playing Sunday League forty over games.
Speaker 6: Forty over games, limited run ups.
Speaker 7: We played Benson Hedges games which was fifty five overs,
Speaker 7: Angellette Cut which was sixty overs.
Speaker 6: So there was three competitions going.
Speaker 7: But that was at first class level and it was
Speaker 7: something different to be playing at an international level in
Speaker 7: different countries on different grounds because the demands were different.
Speaker 7: But the pitchers, as I say, I'm not sure the
Speaker 7: groundsman did anything different to preparing a three day wicket
Speaker 7: to preparing a sixty over wicket, So.
Speaker 4: You could have got a green seamer or a Bunsen burner.
Speaker 7: Oh, absolutely absolutely, And to be quite honest, it was
Speaker 7: quite interesting when that did happen because you had to
Speaker 7: apply different sets of skills and Glenn Turner again was
Speaker 7: the master at it. We all know that, but it
Speaker 7: was it was quite interesting as to how you went
Speaker 7: about it because this this I'm pretty sure that East
Speaker 7: Africa won the toss and didn't want the bat, so
Speaker 7: we betted and it did seem around a bit because man,
Speaker 7: we started off very carefully and then we had to
Speaker 7: get things going later on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the slow State you bettered at number four. I
Speaker 4: mean you varied your position a lot of time playing
Speaker 4: for New Zealand, you opened, you betted down the order.
Speaker 4: Number four there, I mean number four these days is
Speaker 4: probably a significant position. Three and four because you're not
Speaker 4: really expected to bat much after that. Are the are
Speaker 4: the ones that are supposed to get all the runs?
Speaker 7: That's right, you know, because they know that the pictures
Speaker 7: are pretty flat. They know if the ball bounces there,
Speaker 7: to'll end up here. And they play with confidence. You know,
Speaker 7: some of the shots they played these days are absolutely amazing.
Speaker 7: You couldn't have played with any sort of confidence in
Speaker 7: those days. No helmets again, and so you wouldn't be
Speaker 7: sort of hooking at everything that's that's short, and you'd
Speaker 7: be letting them go and you'd be building innings, which
Speaker 7: we clearly did there and in turns the manager that
Speaker 7: orchestrated at all and it was a totally different sort
Speaker 7: of approach to it. And sixty overs is quite a lot,
Speaker 7: because in Test cricket these days they will they meant
Speaker 7: to bowl ninety overs, but it's only it's only half
Speaker 7: as much again as we played in the limited over game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're lucky to get more than sixty overs
Speaker 4: out of a Test match game these days anyway, your
Speaker 4: partnership with Glenn Turner one hundred and forty nine, you
Speaker 4: are on a ball or nearly sixty six off sixty eight,
Speaker 4: you obviously increased the tempo and that allowed Turns to
Speaker 4: do the same. I think I think he faced the
Speaker 4: two hundred deliveries for one hundred and seventy one. But
Speaker 4: you know at that stage you'd just been meandering along
Speaker 4: to some extent, hadn't you.
Speaker 7: Well, Again, in those days you built an innings. Well,
Speaker 7: these days they just thrashed themselves to death all through
Speaker 7: the innings and that wasn't the way it was. And
Speaker 7: the openers John Morrison and Glen Turner they went out
Speaker 7: and the ball was seeming around right, So we've got
Speaker 7: to make sure we're still batting at sixty overs. And
Speaker 7: there was a workman sort of an innings that had
Speaker 7: to be wasn't good for New Zealand cricket if we
Speaker 7: lost to East Africa. So we had to make sure
Speaker 7: that things went well and you kept wickets in hand
Speaker 7: and put the foot on the pedal at the end.
Speaker 7: But still with Len and I we batted an awful
Speaker 7: lot together in those days and It was fantastic batting
Speaker 7: with him, and there were no hicck ups that I
Speaker 7: can remember, and both of us just played cricket strokes
Speaker 7: and didn't revert to some of the shots they do
Speaker 7: these days, and it was great.
Speaker 6: It worked out well.
Speaker 4: I remember years ago having a discussion with you and
Speaker 4: others in the commentary box when we were working together
Speaker 4: about the variations that you can bring to this short
Speaker 4: form game. But Glenn Turner sort of developed a style too, didn't.
Speaker 4: I remember a game against England at the Bation Reserve
Speaker 4: you might not have played in eighty three where he
Speaker 4: scored sort of eighty and kept chipping the ball back
Speaker 4: over the bowler's head because it was a vacant part
Speaker 4: of the ground. But he had that ability to do that,
Speaker 4: and I think in that game, Lance Ken's batted at three.
Speaker 4: So they were starting to find ways of doing something
Speaker 4: a little bit differently, weren't they.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, And that's what happened. And I think also the science.
Speaker 7: I'm not a huge fan of science of any sort,
Speaker 7: but the science in preparing pictures has definitely improved, There's
Speaker 7: no doubt about that, and so they can predict a
Speaker 7: pitch how it's going to play and that is incredibly important.
Speaker 7: So therefore, you know, that's always understated and cricket how
Speaker 7: important the pitch is, and it just seems to get
Speaker 7: pushed aside. And therefore, if the pitch is that important,
Speaker 7: the toss is incredibly important and absolutely shapes shapes a
Speaker 7: whole game who wins the toss. So it was starting
Speaker 7: to evolve in things, and Glenn was a major player
Speaker 7: and how the One day game around the world, how
Speaker 7: it evolved. And he's scored an awful lot of first
Speaker 7: class runs in England when first class cricket was important.
Speaker 7: I don't think it has the same importance now at all.
Speaker 7: But he scored an awful lot of runs in first
Speaker 7: class cricket. But he also shaped the One day game.
Speaker 7: He had that shot that the flat batter outside the
Speaker 7: off stump that when he was in he was sure
Speaker 7: that what the pitcher was doing, anything outside the off
Speaker 7: stump got flat battered, and.
Speaker 6: It was an amazing stroke. You know, I never know why.
Speaker 7: They don't use it these days, because it's just absolutely
Speaker 7: made for the way they play these days.
Speaker 6: But nobody flat bats.
Speaker 7: But you know, certainly anything the way then turned it,
Speaker 7: and of course playing with him, I sort of imitated
Speaker 7: the shots of his that I thought were effective, and
Speaker 7: I sort of used to chip over the top as well,
Speaker 7: and flat bat as well. But of course because I
Speaker 7: wasn't anywhere near as good and never it. History misses
Speaker 7: that part out the other parts for me. The other
Speaker 7: part for me that was a lot of fun and
Speaker 7: we had to do it was the boundaries are so
Speaker 7: much bigger in those days, so there was space behind,
Speaker 7: you know, one saving fielders. They had to save the ones,
Speaker 7: otherwise you'd score off every ball. And so an easy
Speaker 7: way of scoring runs was to chip it over the
Speaker 7: top of uxuy, aim for the fielder and hit a
Speaker 7: great big circle, a great big hula hoop.
Speaker 6: Who the world's biggest hula.
Speaker 7: Hoop was above the fielder's head, and you tried to
Speaker 7: hit the ball through that hoop. That was the aim,
Speaker 7: and and you could do that to any fielder in
Speaker 7: the up saving the one. So in the bowler was
Speaker 7: a he had a hula hoop above his head. He
Speaker 7: never knew it.
Speaker 6: And if it was up and straight but not quite
Speaker 6: up far enough, you just knocked it.
Speaker 7: H threw the ball, kept the face of that open
Speaker 7: and knocked it over their head for two. So there
Speaker 7: was an awful lot of space behind one savers because
Speaker 7: the boundaries were so big, you congest those boundaries and
Speaker 7: of course that space isn't there, and you risk if
Speaker 7: you hit it, well, you risk getting caught.
Speaker 6: But at Melbourne and well every ground.
Speaker 7: The Oval, all of those grounds never had ropes and
Speaker 7: it was you know, it was different and strategies were
Speaker 7: different and it was fantastic.
Speaker 4: And players are starting to develop that sort of technique
Speaker 4: at the moment. Update our field is back, take the
Speaker 4: pace off the ball and go for two. You know,
Speaker 4: you see that plan quite often and many of the
Speaker 4: games for these players. In terms of Glenn Turner's game,
Speaker 4: particularly in the one day competition like this, was he
Speaker 4: an analyst as such, and he spent a lot of
Speaker 4: time thinking about the kind of shots that he could
Speaker 4: play and develop. I don't imagine he was the kind
Speaker 4: of player who would just go out and say I'm
Speaker 4: going to play that. He probably would have practiced it
Speaker 4: would he.
Speaker 6: Oh, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 7: He knew his game incredibly well, he knew what games
Speaker 7: he played, that he could practice something, but he was
Speaker 7: he kept the game incredibly simple, and that his stance
Speaker 7: was was set, and he changed it a little bit
Speaker 7: once he went on.
Speaker 6: You know, once he got.
Speaker 7: In, he changed it slightly is as angle of his
Speaker 7: wrist at the back. He cocked his wrist a little
Speaker 7: bit more at the back once he got in, and
Speaker 7: he opened the face of the.
Speaker 6: Bat out and his stance a little bit once he
Speaker 6: got in. It was very square earlier on.
Speaker 7: So he always was into the bat square to the ball.
Speaker 6: Early on in his in it.
Speaker 7: And he just knew that by keeping his head still
Speaker 7: and not planting wherever the ball was, that's where he
Speaker 7: hit it. So if the ball was out to be
Speaker 7: hit through the covers, if it was up fair enough,
Speaker 7: he hit it on the ground. If it wasn't quite
Speaker 7: up fair enough, he chipped it over the dup. So
Speaker 7: it was an incredibly simple game. And he was just
Speaker 7: the master at not making technical mistakes.
Speaker 6: So that his shoulder.
Speaker 7: We believe that you move your shoulder to the ball,
Speaker 7: not your foot, because if you move your shoulder, your
Speaker 7: head goes with it, and then your foot has to
Speaker 7: go with it otherwise you fall over. And not many
Speaker 7: people do that, and they and so he just hit it.
Speaker 6: So if the ball was there to be hit through
Speaker 6: mid on. That's what he did.
Speaker 7: He just moved his shoulder to it, hit it along
Speaker 7: the ground, or he hit it in the air. And
Speaker 7: he was the master at not moving around in the
Speaker 7: stance and therefore by standing absolutely still until he knew
Speaker 7: where the ball was going, that he made very few mistakes.
Speaker 7: These days, they plant because for some reason they think
Speaker 7: people are bowling so fast that they can't move to
Speaker 7: the ball wherever it dictates you should move. They for
Speaker 7: some reason believe that you can't do that anymore, which
Speaker 7: I don't believe that to be true at all. And
Speaker 7: Turns was the absolute master at standing still and playing
Speaker 7: the ball on its marriage wherever it went. But he
Speaker 7: always had two options along the ground or in the air.
Speaker 4: Yeah. The other the thing is that the game has
Speaker 4: changed so much now that players don't stand still or
Speaker 4: keep their heads still. They're across the crease looking for opportunities.
Speaker 4: They can see that. You can see them batting at
Speaker 4: the return increase on the off side or outside of
Speaker 4: the eg stump, trying to predict what the ball is
Speaker 4: going to do. And that's been one of the massive changes.
Speaker 4: And I suppose it's been brought about by the number
Speaker 4: of competitions that are being played in the design to
Speaker 4: win and the money that goes it.
Speaker 7: And Glinton also moved around a crease later on in
Speaker 7: his career, more than at the start. But again he
Speaker 7: moved around and was set in a different position and
Speaker 7: everything was still when the ball was delivered. So he
Speaker 7: was the master of the the coverage of the lofted
Speaker 7: cover drive when the ball pitched on mid off and
Speaker 7: he was also very good on the drop kick over
Speaker 7: midwicket when the ball was pitched on off stump. So
Speaker 7: he moved around too, but the basics of what he
Speaker 7: how he executed a stroke was still the same, and
Speaker 7: it was you know, it was fantastic batting with him,
Speaker 7: and he inspired everybody that that batted with him. And
Speaker 7: I was lucky enough to be a broken mirror image
Speaker 7: at the other end.
Speaker 6: Probably over one hundred times there.
Speaker 4: Was yeah, did you play much at Worcester with him?
Speaker 4: Because I mean in those days there were certain rules there,
Speaker 4: but you were both at w Wasster.
Speaker 7: We were I was the luckiest person ever to play
Speaker 7: county cricket because everybody else had to be an international
Speaker 7: superstar to go and play, or at least an international
Speaker 7: player I wasn't and hadn't even played first card cricket.
Speaker 7: I played in the same club as Martin Horton in
Speaker 7: Auckland and haughty wonderful fellow did so much for New
Speaker 7: Zealand cricket, just amazing. It's forgotten what he did for
Speaker 7: New Zealand cricket. But he suggested I go to Worcester
Speaker 7: and have a month's trial. So I went over and
Speaker 7: the month turned into a season, and then the last
Speaker 7: game of the season was against India who had just
Speaker 7: beaten England for the first time, and the selector came
Speaker 7: up to me and said, if you make runs today
Speaker 7: we'll think about keeping you and if you don't, misending
Speaker 7: your home. So I think wouldn't Commander Shakespeare very much
Speaker 7: for his communication, and luckily was the last out for
Speaker 7: ninety one, so we were established. Got in there and
Speaker 7: then the next game was against Bob Massey is Australian team,
Speaker 7: first game next year, and Johnny Gleason the mystery spinner,
Speaker 7: the second major mystery.
Speaker 6: Spinner, and did alright.
Speaker 7: It rained, of course, but it all worked out pretty
Speaker 7: well and was signed on as a overseas player when
Speaker 7: a gap appeared, because you could serve a time in
Speaker 7: those days, and then you came off the overseas list.
Speaker 6: We had Van burn Hold of.
Speaker 7: The very capable Westerndies opening bowler, and Glen Turner was
Speaker 7: the other one, so we also had him round Kahn.
Speaker 7: He was my flatmate, and he and I changed his
Speaker 7: bowling action for him, which most people don't think is true,
Speaker 7: but if you could contact them now, which I'm sure
Speaker 7: you can't, he would say it. It was mentioned in one
Speaker 7: of his books that we used to in the winter
Speaker 7: that I had to stay there. We used to get
Speaker 7: out unto the King's School gym and play with a
Speaker 7: tennis ball and we changed his action and he was
Speaker 7: eternally grateful. But he was there and he could come
Speaker 7: and play for us because he went to Oxford University,
Speaker 7: and there were different rules for Oxford University students, so
Speaker 7: you could go after the university season finished, you could
Speaker 7: go and play for whatever county you wanted. So he
Speaker 7: came and played for Worcester and we flattered together next
Speaker 7: to Glenn Turnert and his soon to be wife, and
Speaker 7: we had an awful lot of fun.
Speaker 4: We had a lot of fun. I'm sure Parks enjoyed
Speaker 4: flatting in Worcestershire in those days. But I'm not sure
Speaker 4: that he'd want to be a roommate with around Carn now, Jerry.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know Sell five three four because Parks doesn't
Speaker 5: eat much. If you remember, he wouldn't like the gruel
Speaker 5: they handed in the mornings. I don't think he'd lose
Speaker 5: a bit of weight old Parks there, and I don't
Speaker 5: think he'll be talking to him run about his bowling
Speaker 5: action any longer. He used to talk about his bowling
Speaker 5: action to help help him run Carn with that.
Speaker 4: He said he sorted it out for him while he
Speaker 4: still said it, And he said they weren't the tidiest
Speaker 4: of flatmates either, So I guess they've got something very
Speaker 4: much in common. But lovely to hear from Parks talking about,
Speaker 4: in fact, the Glen Turner headings of a one hundred
Speaker 4: and seventy one as you've just heard. All right, Well
Speaker 4: take it carefully, getting up to heading then heading league, Jerry.
Speaker 4: The country box there is in somebody's office in the university,
Speaker 4: isn't it.
Speaker 3: So that's it.
Speaker 4: Make sure that's it.
Speaker 5: You've got physics, physics, little things on white boards behind
Speaker 5: you and things like that, and you try and work
Speaker 5: that out and try and say to yourself, how does
Speaker 5: that mean?
Speaker 3: What does that mean for the game?
Speaker 4: And that was as difficult as algebra was for me,
Speaker 4: or calculus and all that sort of stuff. So I
Speaker 4: just used to cover them all up and concentrate on
Speaker 4: the cricket.
Speaker 5: We'll see your we might see your mate, you know,
Speaker 5: Jeffrey Boycott once.
Speaker 3: He'll be up there. So I would have.
Speaker 4: Thought, yeah, oh, well give him my regards.
Speaker 5: I will, I will, and I'll try and get a
Speaker 5: picture of his reaction.
Speaker 4: Okay, and PEPs, you might be able to record it
Speaker 4: and send it back here.
Speaker 3: It makes for good radio. Take it easing, all right, Love,
Speaker 3: love you to talk, See you later.
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