1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Sat B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:15,173 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 3 00:00:15,333 --> 00:00:21,093 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. 4 00:00:21,293 --> 00:00:25,613 Speaker 2: Take it on at It's here, it is out, the 5 00:00:25,693 --> 00:00:32,653 Speaker 2: Test is over, the smoke was a beauty, It is out. 6 00:00:32,213 --> 00:00:32,893 Speaker 3: And here you goes. 7 00:00:33,013 --> 00:00:35,613 Speaker 4: This delivery has in the usage the Gold. 8 00:00:37,693 --> 00:00:41,093 Speaker 1: On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody, 9 00:00:41,413 --> 00:00:45,293 Speaker 1: powered by News Talks head B at iHeart Radio. 10 00:00:48,293 --> 00:00:51,213 Speaker 4: Hello, We're back on the front foot and the review 11 00:00:51,333 --> 00:00:54,973 Speaker 4: of the World Test Championship Final. It delivers a surprise 12 00:00:55,093 --> 00:00:59,773 Speaker 4: winner or was it staged at Lord's? Apparently a sellout 13 00:01:00,213 --> 00:01:02,373 Speaker 4: allow on the opening of two days. It's seen therever 14 00:01:02,493 --> 00:01:06,653 Speaker 4: plenty of spare seats. Was a Test quality cricket fourteen 15 00:01:06,653 --> 00:01:10,813 Speaker 4: wickets on day one on day two? Was it the 16 00:01:10,853 --> 00:01:14,333 Speaker 4: pitch or was it technique? It was it top class 17 00:01:14,373 --> 00:01:18,293 Speaker 4: following from both sides? Had the gloss gone from the 18 00:01:18,333 --> 00:01:22,213 Speaker 4: Ossie top automatic? Another cricket. We've got a New Zealand 19 00:01:22,333 --> 00:01:27,133 Speaker 4: a women's team heading for England for developmental experience. Good 20 00:01:27,133 --> 00:01:31,293 Speaker 4: stuff and remember this takes a peek back fifty years 21 00:01:31,853 --> 00:01:34,373 Speaker 4: for a unique New Zealand performance. 22 00:01:35,453 --> 00:01:37,573 Speaker 3: Bear with me on the front foot. 23 00:01:37,853 --> 00:01:38,693 Speaker 4: Here he goes. 24 00:01:40,013 --> 00:01:40,653 Speaker 3: The bouncer. 25 00:01:41,533 --> 00:01:45,853 Speaker 4: Despite what the ICC cheerleaders previously known as Test Crickets 26 00:01:45,893 --> 00:01:48,693 Speaker 4: would tell you, it wasn't the brilliant finale for the 27 00:01:48,733 --> 00:01:52,573 Speaker 4: World Test Championship, the pinnacle game. That's my view anyway. 28 00:01:52,893 --> 00:01:55,253 Speaker 4: Even after the coin toss, which was made to look 29 00:01:55,373 --> 00:01:59,013 Speaker 4: like the climax scene from Ben Hur, it took to 30 00:01:59,093 --> 00:02:02,013 Speaker 4: the third day to see any batting of quality. We 31 00:02:02,013 --> 00:02:05,093 Speaker 4: should have seen better from the two Test teams. One 32 00:02:05,173 --> 00:02:08,253 Speaker 4: of them hadn't played for five months, the other four 33 00:02:09,173 --> 00:02:12,333 Speaker 4: little build up. Oh boy, Sorry Jeremy Kaney is with us. 34 00:02:12,333 --> 00:02:15,093 Speaker 4: Sorry Jerry, but that's my view of the game show piece. 35 00:02:15,413 --> 00:02:17,973 Speaker 4: Am I right or wrong? You can hit my bouncer 36 00:02:17,973 --> 00:02:18,693 Speaker 4: for six. 37 00:02:19,973 --> 00:02:24,533 Speaker 5: Hello Wads from England. The weather is actually nice and 38 00:02:24,573 --> 00:02:28,053 Speaker 5: fine at the moment. I've come from from London up 39 00:02:28,093 --> 00:02:31,213 Speaker 5: to by train up to a place called Ketthering which 40 00:02:31,293 --> 00:02:34,373 Speaker 5: is on the on in the eastern side of England, 41 00:02:34,613 --> 00:02:38,253 Speaker 5: and with a mate and so that's that's where I 42 00:02:38,293 --> 00:02:42,493 Speaker 5: am at this morning speaking to you. It is morning here. 43 00:02:43,733 --> 00:02:49,253 Speaker 5: That's an interesting idea you got, Wads. I thought the 44 00:02:49,253 --> 00:02:51,813 Speaker 5: game itself and you talk about the conditions. 45 00:02:53,213 --> 00:02:54,893 Speaker 3: It's kind of like two tests. 46 00:02:56,093 --> 00:03:00,493 Speaker 5: The first test being the first two days, and the 47 00:03:00,533 --> 00:03:03,933 Speaker 5: second test being so the last day and a third. 48 00:03:06,373 --> 00:03:09,453 Speaker 5: Certainly you you have been, as I have to Lords 49 00:03:09,613 --> 00:03:12,653 Speaker 5: a few times now. It's quite an intimate ground and 50 00:03:12,693 --> 00:03:16,893 Speaker 5: the sense that you can kind of see people and 51 00:03:16,973 --> 00:03:19,333 Speaker 5: if you if you're sort of sort of friend coming 52 00:03:19,373 --> 00:03:21,973 Speaker 5: down from the other end, you can sort of wave 53 00:03:22,053 --> 00:03:24,933 Speaker 5: out to him because you can actually see them. And 54 00:03:25,013 --> 00:03:31,133 Speaker 5: it is quite close the whole ground. And that's that's 55 00:03:31,173 --> 00:03:33,493 Speaker 5: how it feels, you know, that hum they talk about 56 00:03:34,053 --> 00:03:37,413 Speaker 5: at Lord's Watch. You don't get that at many other grounds. 57 00:03:38,493 --> 00:03:43,293 Speaker 5: And close can also be used as a description. 58 00:03:43,493 --> 00:03:44,173 Speaker 3: I think of. 59 00:03:45,733 --> 00:03:49,213 Speaker 5: The weather and you get here, I think in England 60 00:03:49,253 --> 00:03:53,453 Speaker 5: that time between sort of spring and then going into 61 00:03:53,533 --> 00:03:58,293 Speaker 5: high summer, and you get quite a closed and enclosed, 62 00:03:58,493 --> 00:04:03,653 Speaker 5: close ground as well. And look, I just thought the 63 00:04:03,653 --> 00:04:10,733 Speaker 5: first two days, the ball itself, as you know a 64 00:04:10,813 --> 00:04:14,373 Speaker 5: new duke, does move around a little bit more susceptible, 65 00:04:14,413 --> 00:04:18,253 Speaker 5: as every cricket ball is to barometric pressure. In other words, 66 00:04:18,293 --> 00:04:20,373 Speaker 5: there's more pressure on one side of the ball and 67 00:04:20,453 --> 00:04:24,493 Speaker 5: the other the ball starts to swing. And I just 68 00:04:24,653 --> 00:04:27,773 Speaker 5: felt that all you know, you're right about the number 69 00:04:27,773 --> 00:04:28,213 Speaker 5: of people. 70 00:04:28,293 --> 00:04:29,373 Speaker 3: I'll give you a Teck there. 71 00:04:29,493 --> 00:04:32,173 Speaker 5: I think the first couple of days it wasn't quite 72 00:04:32,213 --> 00:04:36,213 Speaker 5: the numbers that they were talking about, But it's hard 73 00:04:36,253 --> 00:04:41,213 Speaker 5: to overstate just how important the overhead conditions are at 74 00:04:41,293 --> 00:04:45,853 Speaker 5: Lords in the first couple of days, low cloud preventing 75 00:04:46,533 --> 00:04:48,933 Speaker 5: any moisture coming out of the ground, and they do 76 00:04:49,053 --> 00:04:51,253 Speaker 5: water those grounds, you know, they make them look very 77 00:04:51,333 --> 00:04:53,653 Speaker 5: nice on the telly and all that stuff. They like 78 00:04:53,693 --> 00:04:57,853 Speaker 5: to see nice green grass, mowan in different ways and patterns, 79 00:04:58,613 --> 00:05:01,253 Speaker 5: and so the moisture comes up out of the ground 80 00:05:01,253 --> 00:05:03,333 Speaker 5: and if there's nowhere for it to go because there's 81 00:05:03,413 --> 00:05:08,293 Speaker 5: low clouds and everything, and there was and so therefore 82 00:05:08,493 --> 00:05:09,773 Speaker 5: was a good toss to win. 83 00:05:10,333 --> 00:05:13,333 Speaker 3: It certainly does nip about. There's no doubt about that. 84 00:05:13,773 --> 00:05:18,133 Speaker 5: And I do feel that both sides had a very 85 00:05:18,253 --> 00:05:21,653 Speaker 5: much a reshaped top order, didn't they. 86 00:05:21,973 --> 00:05:25,173 Speaker 3: And Australia they had Kwaja, but. 87 00:05:25,213 --> 00:05:28,533 Speaker 5: He he who was really originally a middle order player, 88 00:05:28,853 --> 00:05:32,693 Speaker 5: and they tried to outlast the movement I think Australia 89 00:05:33,493 --> 00:05:35,413 Speaker 5: and so Kowaja was gone. 90 00:05:35,733 --> 00:05:37,933 Speaker 3: They had a new opener in Lava Shane. 91 00:05:37,933 --> 00:05:41,693 Speaker 5: They moved out that that movement of constance away from 92 00:05:41,733 --> 00:05:45,533 Speaker 5: opening was meant two different changes didn't it. 93 00:05:45,533 --> 00:05:47,413 Speaker 3: It meant Labashane going up. 94 00:05:47,533 --> 00:05:50,253 Speaker 5: He'd never opened before in a Test match, and it 95 00:05:50,333 --> 00:05:53,573 Speaker 5: meant bringing in cam Green who'd come from a second 96 00:05:53,653 --> 00:05:57,933 Speaker 5: division you know, play over in England and was put 97 00:05:58,013 --> 00:06:00,773 Speaker 5: up at number three where had never batted much before either. 98 00:06:01,533 --> 00:06:03,973 Speaker 5: And so it wasn't until you got down to Steve 99 00:06:04,053 --> 00:06:07,933 Speaker 5: Smith and also then to Head that you had two 100 00:06:07,973 --> 00:06:14,173 Speaker 5: people in their usual positions. And I felt, I felt Rabada, 101 00:06:14,893 --> 00:06:16,693 Speaker 5: I don't know what you think. I think he's quite 102 00:06:16,733 --> 00:06:20,333 Speaker 5: a good bowler. Actually, I mean he's aker. Yeah, he's 103 00:06:20,493 --> 00:06:25,573 Speaker 5: like a lies not the place of Malcolm Marshall, but 104 00:06:25,733 --> 00:06:28,213 Speaker 5: he's kind of like that, but he seems that a 105 00:06:28,253 --> 00:06:28,653 Speaker 5: bit more. 106 00:06:28,693 --> 00:06:30,013 Speaker 3: He's at you all the time. 107 00:06:30,613 --> 00:06:33,133 Speaker 5: And his five wickets in that innings in the first 108 00:06:33,213 --> 00:06:37,893 Speaker 5: innings certainly sorted Australia out. C Smith about it quite well, 109 00:06:38,133 --> 00:06:40,413 Speaker 5: didn't you think wads in those conditions? 110 00:06:40,893 --> 00:06:43,253 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and you would expect it from a man 111 00:06:43,293 --> 00:06:45,813 Speaker 4: who hadn't played a lot of cricket. We were led 112 00:06:45,853 --> 00:06:48,813 Speaker 4: to believe that. The point that I want to make 113 00:06:49,093 --> 00:06:52,453 Speaker 4: and is both the sides were underprepared. They hadn't played 114 00:06:52,853 --> 00:06:56,893 Speaker 4: any proper cricket. Now we understand the first day of 115 00:06:56,893 --> 00:06:58,613 Speaker 4: a Test match, the ball is going to nip about 116 00:06:58,813 --> 00:07:02,493 Speaker 4: and it's kind to swing. But on television I didn't 117 00:07:02,733 --> 00:07:06,453 Speaker 4: sense that it was untoward. There were so many players 118 00:07:06,493 --> 00:07:09,973 Speaker 4: beaten between bat and pad. I mean there was lbw's 119 00:07:10,253 --> 00:07:14,773 Speaker 4: and the stumps were hit where to my mind, you've 120 00:07:14,773 --> 00:07:17,293 Speaker 4: got to adjust your technique, don't you for first day 121 00:07:17,333 --> 00:07:19,893 Speaker 4: because you know it's gonna you know it's gonna have 122 00:07:19,933 --> 00:07:22,493 Speaker 4: a little bit of bounce, you know it's likely to swing. 123 00:07:23,573 --> 00:07:25,973 Speaker 4: That to me is part of a Test cricket. Yet 124 00:07:26,013 --> 00:07:29,093 Speaker 4: both sides looked below par with the bat. 125 00:07:29,533 --> 00:07:31,413 Speaker 3: No, I don't disagree with that. 126 00:07:32,333 --> 00:07:35,493 Speaker 5: I've just got to say, I'm afraid it's now a 127 00:07:35,573 --> 00:07:40,413 Speaker 5: function of how we have moved away from openers, you know, 128 00:07:40,693 --> 00:07:45,533 Speaker 5: a specialist position. We don't have those or many of 129 00:07:45,573 --> 00:07:49,813 Speaker 5: them nowadays. What they are are middle order dashes, and 130 00:07:49,853 --> 00:07:53,893 Speaker 5: we've created them into openers like Ben Duckett for example, 131 00:07:54,333 --> 00:07:59,133 Speaker 5: or Crawley, both middle order players. You don't get those 132 00:07:59,773 --> 00:08:04,933 Speaker 5: nuggety openers any longer. Who will you set out their 133 00:08:05,053 --> 00:08:08,213 Speaker 5: stall and not get beaten on the inside edge, but 134 00:08:08,453 --> 00:08:10,693 Speaker 5: in a bat in the pad, So you you know, 135 00:08:10,773 --> 00:08:15,333 Speaker 5: the Langers, the Bruce Edgars, those kinds of players, you 136 00:08:15,413 --> 00:08:18,373 Speaker 5: know Boone who came up as well and became an 137 00:08:18,373 --> 00:08:22,333 Speaker 5: opener and then a number three as well. So they 138 00:08:22,373 --> 00:08:26,053 Speaker 5: do not exist around in our test cricket. I don't 139 00:08:26,093 --> 00:08:29,293 Speaker 5: think any longer. And I don't know how you feel 140 00:08:29,333 --> 00:08:31,413 Speaker 5: a bit like that. It's like pole of bears wads. 141 00:08:31,813 --> 00:08:35,053 Speaker 5: It's the habitat, you know, and they're being killed off 142 00:08:35,573 --> 00:08:39,693 Speaker 5: just the same as the template nowadays is an opener 143 00:08:39,893 --> 00:08:44,333 Speaker 5: who dashes and scrashes his way to a quick thirty 144 00:08:44,333 --> 00:08:47,173 Speaker 5: off the first six or seven overs. That's how we've 145 00:08:47,213 --> 00:08:50,453 Speaker 5: got openers now, and they are loose and in those 146 00:08:50,533 --> 00:08:52,853 Speaker 5: conditions you get found out. 147 00:08:53,173 --> 00:08:55,453 Speaker 4: And they're being picked for that. That's fair enough, that's 148 00:08:55,453 --> 00:08:58,253 Speaker 4: what the selectors want. But you get back to the scenario. 149 00:08:58,413 --> 00:09:01,173 Speaker 4: Oh that's how I play, so you know, I'll always 150 00:09:01,893 --> 00:09:04,013 Speaker 4: be on a hiding to nothing at times. Every now 151 00:09:04,053 --> 00:09:06,533 Speaker 4: and again it'll come off. But it's not, to my 152 00:09:06,733 --> 00:09:11,573 Speaker 4: mind the sort of thing that you expect quality Test cricket. 153 00:09:11,573 --> 00:09:13,413 Speaker 4: If you've played and they pay good money to get 154 00:09:13,413 --> 00:09:15,933 Speaker 4: into the ground there at lords, don't they Oh yes, 155 00:09:16,293 --> 00:09:18,133 Speaker 4: don't believe. I mean you you were in the middle 156 00:09:18,173 --> 00:09:20,933 Speaker 4: of it, so you saw better than night and I'm 157 00:09:21,173 --> 00:09:26,013 Speaker 4: watching from television. I just thought both sides were let 158 00:09:26,053 --> 00:09:29,533 Speaker 4: down by poor batting against very good bowling. I mean, 159 00:09:29,893 --> 00:09:32,213 Speaker 4: that's as good a bowling as there's going to be 160 00:09:32,253 --> 00:09:34,853 Speaker 4: in any game, isn't the Aussie attack and also the 161 00:09:34,893 --> 00:09:37,773 Speaker 4: South African attack. But to me, the first two game 162 00:09:38,053 --> 00:09:41,013 Speaker 4: days twenty eight wickets banged Test match over. 163 00:09:41,853 --> 00:09:44,533 Speaker 5: Yeah, and then we got the second Test, which is 164 00:09:44,573 --> 00:09:45,653 Speaker 5: on the same one. 165 00:09:45,453 --> 00:09:46,173 Speaker 3: If you know what I mean. 166 00:09:46,213 --> 00:09:48,693 Speaker 5: As soon as those as soon as those low clouds 167 00:09:49,533 --> 00:09:54,573 Speaker 5: dissipated and in came the sun. Man did that pitch 168 00:09:54,733 --> 00:09:58,253 Speaker 5: just sort of it suddenly it looks straw colored and 169 00:09:59,053 --> 00:10:01,773 Speaker 5: well on that third days, you know, four wichs only, 170 00:10:02,893 --> 00:10:05,813 Speaker 5: that's right, and four wickets only fell. One was the 171 00:10:05,893 --> 00:10:08,613 Speaker 5: number ten, one was a number eleven, for heaven say, 172 00:10:08,933 --> 00:10:12,093 Speaker 5: and then and then of course two wickets to the 173 00:10:12,573 --> 00:10:18,093 Speaker 5: new ball, you know, Rickleton, and then we Unmolder again, 174 00:10:18,493 --> 00:10:22,493 Speaker 5: someone who's reshaping his position at number three. So there 175 00:10:22,493 --> 00:10:26,293 Speaker 5: were lots of changes between these sides that they're not 176 00:10:26,893 --> 00:10:29,133 Speaker 5: They weren't quite at their best. I agree with you 177 00:10:29,173 --> 00:10:31,853 Speaker 5: about a warm up game. The Aussies don't agree with that. 178 00:10:32,413 --> 00:10:35,733 Speaker 5: I brought that up in commentary and said don't you 179 00:10:35,773 --> 00:10:38,413 Speaker 5: think these these two teams might have done a little 180 00:10:38,413 --> 00:10:43,333 Speaker 5: bit better if they'd had a match before this? And 181 00:10:43,373 --> 00:10:45,413 Speaker 5: the assie turned to me and said, no, we don't 182 00:10:45,413 --> 00:10:47,733 Speaker 5: believe in that we practiced much better than playing in 183 00:10:47,773 --> 00:10:48,173 Speaker 5: the game. 184 00:10:48,693 --> 00:10:50,053 Speaker 3: Well, I don't believe that myself. 185 00:10:50,093 --> 00:10:54,333 Speaker 5: I didn't answer, but my silence was supposed to project 186 00:10:54,333 --> 00:10:57,413 Speaker 5: that I thought South Africa. Certainly they did have a 187 00:10:57,413 --> 00:11:00,173 Speaker 5: bit of a match, I think, but yes, I agree 188 00:11:00,173 --> 00:11:03,853 Speaker 5: with you. And the pitch itself didn't look you know, 189 00:11:04,333 --> 00:11:09,013 Speaker 5: virulent green. They've got a new grounds there was. They 190 00:11:09,013 --> 00:11:12,493 Speaker 5: don't have Mick Hunt any longer. He's an Irish feller 191 00:11:12,613 --> 00:11:18,853 Speaker 5: and he what's his name, Carl McDermott is his name. 192 00:11:19,053 --> 00:11:21,533 Speaker 5: And I'll tell you something else was you might know. 193 00:11:22,053 --> 00:11:25,453 Speaker 5: There's a New Zealand girl who was also on that 194 00:11:25,653 --> 00:11:26,213 Speaker 5: meg lay. 195 00:11:26,653 --> 00:11:27,893 Speaker 3: She's from christ Church. 196 00:11:28,333 --> 00:11:31,533 Speaker 5: She was an arable farmer doing pea harvests and things 197 00:11:31,573 --> 00:11:34,933 Speaker 5: like that in christ Church and she decided that okay, 198 00:11:34,973 --> 00:11:37,853 Speaker 5: I'm going to go to England and try and work. 199 00:11:38,533 --> 00:11:41,973 Speaker 5: She loves grass and she got a job at Bristol 200 00:11:42,013 --> 00:11:45,933 Speaker 5: and Gloucestershire under Seawan Williams and was there for a 201 00:11:45,973 --> 00:11:49,573 Speaker 5: couple of years and then she went to Edgeburston and 202 00:11:49,613 --> 00:11:52,613 Speaker 5: she was actually in charge of an all women's ground 203 00:11:52,653 --> 00:11:57,173 Speaker 5: staff for the women's Ashes tests and the one that 204 00:11:57,253 --> 00:11:59,293 Speaker 5: was there in Edgebison, so that was quite a nice 205 00:11:59,333 --> 00:12:02,733 Speaker 5: touch all women playing in the Test match and in 206 00:12:02,813 --> 00:12:05,653 Speaker 5: the Ashes and then in all women's ground staff there. 207 00:12:05,773 --> 00:12:10,133 Speaker 5: And now she's come to Lord's Loves the job. She 208 00:12:10,333 --> 00:12:12,373 Speaker 5: posts all the socials you know, and that's where you 209 00:12:12,413 --> 00:12:16,053 Speaker 5: will have may have heard about her. But I just, 210 00:12:16,213 --> 00:12:17,813 Speaker 5: I just I think it was great. 211 00:12:17,533 --> 00:12:18,253 Speaker 4: That she was there. 212 00:12:18,293 --> 00:12:20,093 Speaker 3: But I thought it was smart. 213 00:12:20,133 --> 00:12:21,413 Speaker 4: Did you get a telephone number? 214 00:12:22,173 --> 00:12:24,213 Speaker 3: Maybe I didn't. I'm sorry I didn't speak to her 215 00:12:24,293 --> 00:12:24,653 Speaker 3: at all. 216 00:12:25,133 --> 00:12:26,813 Speaker 4: We could have put her on the program or nice 217 00:12:26,853 --> 00:12:27,293 Speaker 4: to have a child. 218 00:12:27,413 --> 00:12:30,453 Speaker 5: Well, there's no reason why we couldn't. Couldn't do that, 219 00:12:30,853 --> 00:12:34,253 Speaker 5: no reason at all. She actually goes to places like anfield, 220 00:12:34,333 --> 00:12:36,773 Speaker 5: you know, where they play all the footy as well. 221 00:12:38,173 --> 00:12:41,013 Speaker 5: So she's she's busy. She's a busy girl and she's 222 00:12:41,053 --> 00:12:42,933 Speaker 5: doing very very well, very well. 223 00:12:43,013 --> 00:12:45,013 Speaker 4: So that's great. We'll try and get hold. 224 00:12:45,093 --> 00:12:49,293 Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, but just a quick thing on you know, 225 00:12:49,453 --> 00:12:51,653 Speaker 5: I think it was smart of South Africa to have 226 00:12:51,653 --> 00:12:55,093 Speaker 5: a crack first. It wasn't brave because the conditions were 227 00:12:55,093 --> 00:12:59,133 Speaker 5: such as a bit murky and our best chance of 228 00:12:59,213 --> 00:13:02,573 Speaker 5: winning the game is bowling first, and and it sort 229 00:13:02,573 --> 00:13:07,773 Speaker 5: of suited it. But Middlesex also who play there, obviously 230 00:13:07,813 --> 00:13:10,813 Speaker 5: at Lord, if you look at the way their county 231 00:13:10,893 --> 00:13:14,373 Speaker 5: games have gone, if they've won the toss, they have 232 00:13:14,493 --> 00:13:20,373 Speaker 5: batted second and fourth because they know that if they 233 00:13:20,413 --> 00:13:23,173 Speaker 5: can last and get to a chase. In the last 234 00:13:23,173 --> 00:13:26,493 Speaker 5: innings they were getting chases like three hundred and fifty 235 00:13:26,893 --> 00:13:31,013 Speaker 5: and getting them, so they knew how the pitch was 236 00:13:31,013 --> 00:13:34,333 Speaker 5: actually going. And obviously South Africa did as well. And 237 00:13:34,333 --> 00:13:38,573 Speaker 5: that's what we saw happen. Man, we saw some interesting 238 00:13:38,613 --> 00:13:41,293 Speaker 5: batting from South Africa. And that first innings, didn't we 239 00:13:41,733 --> 00:13:46,293 Speaker 5: And that first first day twenty odd overs for forty 240 00:13:46,373 --> 00:13:50,853 Speaker 5: runs or something. Man, I mean, I've never seen how 241 00:13:51,013 --> 00:13:54,293 Speaker 5: labored they were. They simply couldn't score could they couldn't 242 00:13:54,333 --> 00:13:55,493 Speaker 5: even get singles. 243 00:13:56,053 --> 00:14:00,253 Speaker 4: They was extraordinary, much more aggressive line on the second morning, 244 00:14:00,293 --> 00:14:03,333 Speaker 4: didn't they. It didn't die yet great degree, but they 245 00:14:03,413 --> 00:14:06,373 Speaker 4: showed an intention that they wanted to score runs and 246 00:14:06,493 --> 00:14:10,053 Speaker 4: compete rather than just occupy crease and make up the numbers. 247 00:14:10,053 --> 00:14:12,573 Speaker 4: Having put the opposition and bowl them for just over 248 00:14:12,613 --> 00:14:15,493 Speaker 4: two hundred. You know you're in you're in the box seat, 249 00:14:15,533 --> 00:14:15,853 Speaker 4: aren't you. 250 00:14:16,613 --> 00:14:19,853 Speaker 5: Well you are, you got to You've got a chance then, 251 00:14:20,093 --> 00:14:22,893 Speaker 5: and they had. They had created that chance by bowling 252 00:14:22,893 --> 00:14:24,853 Speaker 5: Osie out for just over two hundred and ten. 253 00:14:25,733 --> 00:14:27,533 Speaker 3: But their scoring was imperceptible. 254 00:14:27,573 --> 00:14:28,173 Speaker 4: It sort of is. 255 00:14:28,173 --> 00:14:31,013 Speaker 5: They sort of treated their crease as a layer and 256 00:14:31,453 --> 00:14:33,053 Speaker 5: they declined to come out of it. 257 00:14:33,533 --> 00:14:33,813 Speaker 3: You know. 258 00:14:34,333 --> 00:14:38,053 Speaker 5: They they yes, they needed to stay in. Every batsman 259 00:14:38,133 --> 00:14:41,453 Speaker 5: needs to do that. But why why do you stay 260 00:14:41,453 --> 00:14:45,213 Speaker 5: in so you can score runs? And they forgot about 261 00:14:45,253 --> 00:14:47,693 Speaker 5: that part of the equation, it seemed to me. And 262 00:14:47,733 --> 00:14:51,733 Speaker 5: you're right, Bavooma came out and batted with Beddingham and 263 00:14:51,773 --> 00:14:53,413 Speaker 5: that first and news and at least they got to 264 00:14:53,453 --> 00:14:57,413 Speaker 5: one hundred and thirty and are behind about by seventy 265 00:14:57,413 --> 00:15:01,533 Speaker 5: odd runs. And then you know, and then in came 266 00:15:01,613 --> 00:15:06,253 Speaker 5: Robarda again and instead of losing five wik it's quickly 267 00:15:06,293 --> 00:15:10,973 Speaker 5: this time between Barda and and Geedee, who improved his performance. 268 00:15:11,013 --> 00:15:13,613 Speaker 5: Suddenly they lost six wickets, didn't they And they were 269 00:15:13,613 --> 00:15:17,133 Speaker 5: in trouble of not setting a total at all Australia 270 00:15:17,613 --> 00:15:21,493 Speaker 5: until and if here's a posit for you, odds. If 271 00:15:21,693 --> 00:15:27,053 Speaker 5: Australia on that third morning with a nice clear sky 272 00:15:27,413 --> 00:15:28,533 Speaker 5: and the straw. 273 00:15:28,293 --> 00:15:30,213 Speaker 3: Colored pitch, if instead. 274 00:15:29,893 --> 00:15:33,733 Speaker 5: Of being eight down there only they are only five down, 275 00:15:34,933 --> 00:15:37,133 Speaker 5: imagine what could have happened and changed in the game 276 00:15:37,693 --> 00:15:42,413 Speaker 5: with the conditions changing, you know, they could have posted 277 00:15:42,413 --> 00:15:44,133 Speaker 5: a hell of much a bigger total. 278 00:15:46,293 --> 00:15:48,933 Speaker 4: Yeah, bearing in mind the batting of Stark, Yeah, you're 279 00:15:48,933 --> 00:15:51,133 Speaker 4: probably right, but you look back at it and you've 280 00:15:51,173 --> 00:15:55,213 Speaker 4: been around some of the Australians must or shouldn't they 281 00:15:55,253 --> 00:15:59,293 Speaker 4: be worried about their batting lineup for the ashes coming 282 00:15:59,373 --> 00:16:02,413 Speaker 4: up because it doesn't seem to me to have the 283 00:16:02,453 --> 00:16:06,973 Speaker 4: fizz or sparkle that we expect. I know they'll be 284 00:16:07,013 --> 00:16:11,133 Speaker 4: at home. Travis will be an important part, but what 285 00:16:11,253 --> 00:16:15,093 Speaker 4: about Kowaja and they haven't you know, they may have constants, 286 00:16:15,093 --> 00:16:17,093 Speaker 4: but he's got a bit of work to do to 287 00:16:17,093 --> 00:16:21,413 Speaker 4: become an international opener, hasn't He is their top six vulnerable? 288 00:16:22,573 --> 00:16:25,173 Speaker 5: Some of them are, and it tends to be at 289 00:16:25,213 --> 00:16:29,613 Speaker 5: the top in my opinion. But there's lots of talk 290 00:16:29,693 --> 00:16:33,733 Speaker 5: now wadds about that top order right now now, whether 291 00:16:33,853 --> 00:16:38,373 Speaker 5: Green goes down and he starts to bowl, because I mean, 292 00:16:38,453 --> 00:16:40,813 Speaker 5: at the moment that's why they had Bo Webster there 293 00:16:41,133 --> 00:16:44,693 Speaker 5: because they needed another bowler to give the four a break, 294 00:16:45,293 --> 00:16:47,613 Speaker 5: and Mitch marsh was the one who was there. Wasn't 295 00:16:47,613 --> 00:16:50,373 Speaker 5: he against the India and he didn't bowl much because 296 00:16:50,413 --> 00:16:54,493 Speaker 5: he got injured. So they're having to re kind of 297 00:16:54,893 --> 00:16:58,893 Speaker 5: pick their side from the bowling point of view as well. 298 00:16:59,653 --> 00:17:02,733 Speaker 3: But Kwaja, yes, is a question, Laboshine. 299 00:17:02,813 --> 00:17:07,133 Speaker 5: There are questions they're talking about Inglis coming in all 300 00:17:07,373 --> 00:17:11,213 Speaker 5: sorts of things they're talking about. They're creating middle order 301 00:17:11,333 --> 00:17:14,533 Speaker 5: players Brian, as I said before, and shoving them up 302 00:17:14,533 --> 00:17:17,213 Speaker 5: to open and forgetting that it is. 303 00:17:17,813 --> 00:17:19,893 Speaker 3: It is a specialist position. 304 00:17:20,813 --> 00:17:23,293 Speaker 5: You watch the line of the ball and it means 305 00:17:23,293 --> 00:17:25,933 Speaker 5: that you might miss out on a few drives because 306 00:17:25,933 --> 00:17:28,173 Speaker 5: the ball's full and you let it go and it 307 00:17:28,253 --> 00:17:29,213 Speaker 5: misses the stumps. 308 00:17:30,093 --> 00:17:32,053 Speaker 3: You know, those those kinds of things. 309 00:17:32,133 --> 00:17:34,733 Speaker 5: Because you're a line player, you watches as it's going 310 00:17:34,733 --> 00:17:37,853 Speaker 5: to hit the stumps first, if it's outside you're right eye, 311 00:17:37,933 --> 00:17:41,613 Speaker 5: you let her go and that's how you start to 312 00:17:41,693 --> 00:17:43,893 Speaker 5: learn to play the game. But they've got middle order 313 00:17:43,933 --> 00:17:47,213 Speaker 5: players who are dashers, and that's that's an issue that 314 00:17:47,253 --> 00:17:51,133 Speaker 5: they are having to confront. Kawaja seems kind of stuck 315 00:17:51,173 --> 00:17:52,773 Speaker 5: in the prease, doesn't he. 316 00:17:52,773 --> 00:17:56,453 Speaker 3: He doesn't seem to want to play a shot well anyway, 317 00:17:56,493 --> 00:17:59,013 Speaker 3: has he? Not a big mover? Not a big mover? 318 00:17:59,893 --> 00:18:05,173 Speaker 5: And then Lavashane, I look, he's just quite an eccentric player, 319 00:18:05,213 --> 00:18:10,533 Speaker 5: isn't he? And then Green pushing forward towards the line. 320 00:18:10,773 --> 00:18:14,733 Speaker 5: That's a middle order approach when the ball's moving around. 321 00:18:15,053 --> 00:18:17,893 Speaker 5: I thought Smith played a very good innings in the first. 322 00:18:18,293 --> 00:18:20,573 Speaker 5: In the first got about sixty odd, didn't he? But 323 00:18:20,653 --> 00:18:24,213 Speaker 5: he was organized. He was waiting for the short ball 324 00:18:24,253 --> 00:18:26,453 Speaker 5: outside off and he had put it away behind point 325 00:18:26,813 --> 00:18:28,973 Speaker 5: or knock it on the on side when they tried. 326 00:18:28,733 --> 00:18:29,613 Speaker 3: To hit his pads. 327 00:18:31,333 --> 00:18:35,813 Speaker 5: So look, I think Australia do have issues. To answer 328 00:18:35,853 --> 00:18:39,893 Speaker 5: your question, it's number one, two, three, they've got a 329 00:18:39,933 --> 00:18:42,293 Speaker 5: four and a five. They're going to keep going with 330 00:18:42,653 --> 00:18:46,413 Speaker 5: Smith in head at number six. Whether that's cam Green 331 00:18:47,053 --> 00:18:50,453 Speaker 5: or not, we'll wait and see in seven carry. So 332 00:18:50,533 --> 00:18:53,573 Speaker 5: that part of the order I think is okay. I 333 00:18:53,733 --> 00:18:57,213 Speaker 5: was pleased that's South Africa one. I don't mind bowlers 334 00:18:57,213 --> 00:18:59,653 Speaker 5: being in charge either wise. To be really honest with you, 335 00:19:00,213 --> 00:19:02,733 Speaker 5: I think the game is a better game when runs matter, 336 00:19:03,253 --> 00:19:06,093 Speaker 5: When you get a forty or a fifty, it counts, 337 00:19:06,733 --> 00:19:10,213 Speaker 5: and we just didn't kind of have enough players to 338 00:19:10,333 --> 00:19:10,653 Speaker 5: do that. 339 00:19:12,493 --> 00:19:13,693 Speaker 3: And the bowlers. 340 00:19:13,293 --> 00:19:17,413 Speaker 5: Were in charge in the first two days. And it 341 00:19:17,493 --> 00:19:20,613 Speaker 5: shows you how batting has changed. And that's a lot 342 00:19:20,613 --> 00:19:23,613 Speaker 5: of T twenty cricket. It's a lot of dashing cricket. 343 00:19:24,853 --> 00:19:27,333 Speaker 5: And that's the cost that it comes with if you 344 00:19:27,413 --> 00:19:28,613 Speaker 5: don't have a defense. 345 00:19:29,333 --> 00:19:32,653 Speaker 3: So I don't mind that. I think you've got to 346 00:19:32,733 --> 00:19:34,733 Speaker 3: choose your sides for test cricket. 347 00:19:34,733 --> 00:19:37,853 Speaker 5: It's a much more demanding game, isn't it. And you've 348 00:19:37,853 --> 00:19:38,813 Speaker 5: found out. 349 00:19:39,133 --> 00:19:42,133 Speaker 4: YEP and Australia are going to be tested again, of 350 00:19:42,173 --> 00:19:45,413 Speaker 4: course because they're going to the Caribbean and the MASA 351 00:19:45,493 --> 00:19:47,973 Speaker 4: is going to Johannesburg. But they're not going to planning 352 00:19:48,013 --> 00:19:48,573 Speaker 4: test cricket. 353 00:19:48,613 --> 00:19:52,653 Speaker 3: So well, I wonder, I wonder, what's do you think? 354 00:19:52,693 --> 00:19:52,893 Speaker 4: Now? 355 00:19:52,893 --> 00:19:56,133 Speaker 5: They might they've got it. They might put pressure on 356 00:19:56,213 --> 00:20:00,293 Speaker 5: the South African cricket board to say, look, why aren't 357 00:20:00,293 --> 00:20:02,893 Speaker 5: we going to play Look, let's invite someone over to 358 00:20:02,973 --> 00:20:07,813 Speaker 5: play some tests, so all our you know, people who 359 00:20:07,813 --> 00:20:09,693 Speaker 5: are who w then there were a lot of South 360 00:20:09,733 --> 00:20:12,453 Speaker 5: Africans there, man, Yeah, and they have a little drink 361 00:20:12,973 --> 00:20:15,053 Speaker 5: drink after the game and they will tell you what 362 00:20:15,093 --> 00:20:19,213 Speaker 5: they were. They were fathers and sons, they were grandfathers 363 00:20:19,253 --> 00:20:22,773 Speaker 5: and sons. You know, it was a generational thing and 364 00:20:22,813 --> 00:20:25,533 Speaker 5: some of those kids will remember that day and we 365 00:20:25,613 --> 00:20:28,613 Speaker 5: don't know just how keen they'll be on cricket, but 366 00:20:28,653 --> 00:20:31,533 Speaker 5: they may well become South African players themselves. 367 00:20:31,573 --> 00:20:36,453 Speaker 3: Who knows. You know what a little memory does for 368 00:20:36,533 --> 00:20:37,293 Speaker 3: a young lad. 369 00:20:37,453 --> 00:20:40,493 Speaker 4: So the South African, the South African cricket board have 370 00:20:40,533 --> 00:20:43,253 Speaker 4: got to contain a load of Indian white balls which 371 00:20:43,293 --> 00:20:46,253 Speaker 4: they have to use up. And that's going to get 372 00:20:46,253 --> 00:20:47,533 Speaker 4: anyway their test cricket. 373 00:20:48,813 --> 00:20:52,373 Speaker 5: Well, I do hope that that changes. I hope that 374 00:20:52,453 --> 00:20:55,853 Speaker 5: they are able to get at least one team and 375 00:20:56,013 --> 00:20:58,253 Speaker 5: encourage them to get one team so everybody can watch 376 00:20:58,293 --> 00:20:59,373 Speaker 5: their winning side. 377 00:20:59,613 --> 00:21:00,533 Speaker 3: And I was pleased. 378 00:21:00,653 --> 00:21:04,293 Speaker 5: Look at all the rubbish that were spoken beforehand about 379 00:21:04,893 --> 00:21:08,933 Speaker 5: these guys shouldn't be here, but that wasn't their fault. 380 00:21:10,213 --> 00:21:14,093 Speaker 5: We know that, we know the failings of the World Championship. 381 00:21:14,973 --> 00:21:18,653 Speaker 5: You know, different number of games, different it's just impossible. 382 00:21:19,293 --> 00:21:23,253 Speaker 5: They're all judged by a percentage figure, not just points, 383 00:21:23,533 --> 00:21:30,613 Speaker 5: they're percentages and so look, I was really pleased that 384 00:21:30,813 --> 00:21:31,853 Speaker 5: they were competitive. 385 00:21:32,573 --> 00:21:34,133 Speaker 4: Yeah, well we're going to be. We're going to be 386 00:21:34,173 --> 00:21:37,213 Speaker 4: hearing from one of your old mates, John Parker's going 387 00:21:37,253 --> 00:21:41,453 Speaker 4: to talk about a record fifty years ago, Oh Daddy's 388 00:21:41,653 --> 00:21:44,573 Speaker 4: World Cup. Yeah, that's going to be with us. And 389 00:21:45,013 --> 00:21:46,653 Speaker 4: what I want to keep an eye on too, is 390 00:21:46,693 --> 00:21:50,973 Speaker 4: the New Zealand women's a squad. Eight or nine White 391 00:21:51,053 --> 00:21:53,973 Speaker 4: Ferns are in it. They're being coached by Brendan Donkers 392 00:21:54,533 --> 00:22:00,653 Speaker 4: and they've also got some powerful coaching Peter Boren and 393 00:22:01,053 --> 00:22:05,613 Speaker 4: also Craig McMillan. So I applaud New Zealand Cricket for 394 00:22:05,653 --> 00:22:08,813 Speaker 4: sending those young ladies over there in New Zealand side, 395 00:22:08,933 --> 00:22:11,733 Speaker 4: not the frontline players, but some of us you've had 396 00:22:11,733 --> 00:22:15,093 Speaker 4: White Fern experience. We'll get a time over there. I 397 00:22:15,133 --> 00:22:17,853 Speaker 4: think they start playing this coming weekend, so we'll follow 398 00:22:17,893 --> 00:22:19,973 Speaker 4: that with interest. Jerick. 399 00:22:20,893 --> 00:22:24,053 Speaker 3: I saw that sidewad or the or the squad. 400 00:22:26,213 --> 00:22:30,773 Speaker 5: I'm delighted that they are doing that and continuing what 401 00:22:30,933 --> 00:22:34,293 Speaker 5: we have been seeing about the development of younger players, 402 00:22:35,693 --> 00:22:37,333 Speaker 5: making them into better players. 403 00:22:39,013 --> 00:22:43,013 Speaker 3: And to have that many a coaches. 404 00:22:43,093 --> 00:22:47,333 Speaker 5: Brendan Donkers of course, Canterbury the bowling coach, and then 405 00:22:47,493 --> 00:22:52,693 Speaker 5: McMillan the batting coach. Those are good appointments. I think experienced, 406 00:22:52,693 --> 00:22:58,093 Speaker 5: experienced coaches assisting some of not just development players who 407 00:22:58,093 --> 00:23:00,493 Speaker 5: they've highlighted to say oh you could be you could 408 00:23:00,493 --> 00:23:05,493 Speaker 5: be something. But secondly some of them, as you say, 409 00:23:07,573 --> 00:23:12,693 Speaker 5: Fern's player and developing and continuing that as well. I 410 00:23:12,733 --> 00:23:16,133 Speaker 5: think it's a nice mix and so well done New Zealand. 411 00:23:15,933 --> 00:23:18,253 Speaker 5: We often don't say well done to New Zealand, we 412 00:23:18,293 --> 00:23:21,213 Speaker 5: tend to criticize them a little bit, but I think 413 00:23:22,253 --> 00:23:26,493 Speaker 5: they're important. They are very important tours, these ones and 414 00:23:26,573 --> 00:23:30,533 Speaker 5: we might get suddenly two or three players and that's fantastic. 415 00:23:30,773 --> 00:23:34,493 Speaker 1: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot. 416 00:23:35,013 --> 00:23:37,573 Speaker 4: On the front foot with Jeremy Coney and Brian Roddell, 417 00:23:37,653 --> 00:23:41,933 Speaker 4: thank you for joining us once again. Fifty years ago 418 00:23:42,053 --> 00:23:45,533 Speaker 4: this week opening, Glenn Turner created a piece of cricket history. 419 00:23:45,813 --> 00:23:49,013 Speaker 4: During the first ever World Cup. Turner scored the highest 420 00:23:49,053 --> 00:23:52,293 Speaker 4: individual title in a One Day International, previously one hundred 421 00:23:52,293 --> 00:23:56,133 Speaker 4: and sixteen by David Lloyd for England, Turner got one 422 00:23:56,213 --> 00:23:59,373 Speaker 4: hundred and seventy one not out versus East Africa. It 423 00:23:59,453 --> 00:24:02,373 Speaker 4: was a score that was to last eight years until 424 00:24:02,413 --> 00:24:05,173 Speaker 4: June nineteen eighty three when cappal Dev did one hundred 425 00:24:05,173 --> 00:24:08,213 Speaker 4: and seventy five against Zimbabwe. One man he must have 426 00:24:08,413 --> 00:24:10,733 Speaker 4: had an important part in that and things was John Parker, 427 00:24:10,773 --> 00:24:13,573 Speaker 4: who scored sixty six or sixty eight balls and a 428 00:24:13,573 --> 00:24:16,813 Speaker 4: partnership of one hundred and forty nine with Turner after 429 00:24:16,853 --> 00:24:20,693 Speaker 4: a labored beginning, a partnership that increased their tempo quite clearly, 430 00:24:21,213 --> 00:24:23,173 Speaker 4: Parks joins us on the front foot once again. Nice 431 00:24:23,213 --> 00:24:26,813 Speaker 4: to have you back with us, John. But the Turner 432 00:24:26,853 --> 00:24:31,973 Speaker 4: runnings at Edgeburston it was a special innings as such, 433 00:24:32,013 --> 00:24:36,733 Speaker 4: because in those days there was there was no sort 434 00:24:36,773 --> 00:24:39,733 Speaker 4: of playbook for one day cricket as there seems to 435 00:24:39,773 --> 00:24:40,653 Speaker 4: be today, wasn't it. 436 00:24:41,253 --> 00:24:41,773 Speaker 6: Not at all? 437 00:24:41,853 --> 00:24:44,293 Speaker 7: Yeah, Brian, thanks for having us. It's always good to 438 00:24:44,413 --> 00:24:47,173 Speaker 7: join you and Jerry, at least in spirit. 439 00:24:47,613 --> 00:24:51,973 Speaker 6: The Yeah, no, there was no there was no playbook. 440 00:24:51,493 --> 00:24:56,253 Speaker 7: Because sixty over games they were then and East Africa 441 00:24:56,413 --> 00:24:57,973 Speaker 7: were an unknown quantity. 442 00:24:58,173 --> 00:25:02,613 Speaker 6: They were an interesting team, they were aged. 443 00:25:02,253 --> 00:25:06,973 Speaker 7: They were experienced in whatever life brought to them, and 444 00:25:07,133 --> 00:25:10,653 Speaker 7: the pitchers were just normal three day pitches that you 445 00:25:10,693 --> 00:25:12,413 Speaker 7: happen to play sixty over games on. 446 00:25:12,533 --> 00:25:15,973 Speaker 6: So yeah, it was a very different scene in those days. 447 00:25:16,453 --> 00:25:18,413 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it came at a time too when I 448 00:25:18,413 --> 00:25:23,253 Speaker 4: suppose scoring centuries in one day as wasn't a common occurrence. 449 00:25:23,293 --> 00:25:26,293 Speaker 4: I mean New Zealand had had two previously. I mean 450 00:25:26,413 --> 00:25:28,813 Speaker 4: the records start back in nineteen seventy one. I think 451 00:25:28,853 --> 00:25:31,653 Speaker 4: Ken Wadsworth got the first and Congo got the second. 452 00:25:32,013 --> 00:25:34,893 Speaker 4: Glenn Turner's won seventy one was the third. So it 453 00:25:34,973 --> 00:25:37,413 Speaker 4: wasn't common practice even around the world, was it. 454 00:25:38,413 --> 00:25:42,373 Speaker 6: You've outlined there that lumitdovi. Cricket was quite young. 455 00:25:42,533 --> 00:25:47,253 Speaker 7: It was at its at its initiations and turns. Of 456 00:25:47,293 --> 00:25:50,453 Speaker 7: course we all know what turns developed into. Just did 457 00:25:50,533 --> 00:25:52,893 Speaker 7: the master of these sorts of things, and once again 458 00:25:52,933 --> 00:25:55,853 Speaker 7: he was the master of listening. So yeah, it was 459 00:25:55,853 --> 00:25:59,453 Speaker 7: everything was new, it was everybody took it very seriously, 460 00:25:59,533 --> 00:26:02,653 Speaker 7: but it wasn't. It didn't have the priority that it 461 00:26:02,693 --> 00:26:05,693 Speaker 7: has now. Test cricket was number one, and first class 462 00:26:05,693 --> 00:26:08,973 Speaker 7: cricket was a number two, and then all of a 463 00:26:09,013 --> 00:26:11,373 Speaker 7: sudden there was this thing called limited overcricket. 464 00:26:12,213 --> 00:26:14,053 Speaker 4: I suppose you were pioneers of the game in as 465 00:26:14,133 --> 00:26:16,693 Speaker 4: much as no one was playing it, although you playing 466 00:26:16,773 --> 00:26:19,013 Speaker 4: county cricket. I think at the time would have been 467 00:26:19,053 --> 00:26:21,733 Speaker 4: playing Sunday League forty over games. 468 00:26:22,133 --> 00:26:23,893 Speaker 6: Forty over games, limited run ups. 469 00:26:23,933 --> 00:26:28,653 Speaker 7: We played Benson Hedges games which was fifty five overs, 470 00:26:28,693 --> 00:26:30,733 Speaker 7: Angellette Cut which was sixty overs. 471 00:26:30,733 --> 00:26:32,853 Speaker 6: So there was three competitions going. 472 00:26:32,933 --> 00:26:36,053 Speaker 7: But that was at first class level and it was 473 00:26:36,173 --> 00:26:39,773 Speaker 7: something different to be playing at an international level in 474 00:26:39,853 --> 00:26:43,853 Speaker 7: different countries on different grounds because the demands were different. 475 00:26:43,933 --> 00:26:45,973 Speaker 7: But the pitchers, as I say, I'm not sure the 476 00:26:46,013 --> 00:26:49,613 Speaker 7: groundsman did anything different to preparing a three day wicket 477 00:26:49,653 --> 00:26:53,093 Speaker 7: to preparing a sixty over wicket, So. 478 00:26:53,093 --> 00:26:55,653 Speaker 4: You could have got a green seamer or a Bunsen burner. 479 00:26:56,333 --> 00:26:59,733 Speaker 7: Oh, absolutely absolutely, And to be quite honest, it was 480 00:26:59,773 --> 00:27:03,253 Speaker 7: quite interesting when that did happen because you had to 481 00:27:03,293 --> 00:27:06,733 Speaker 7: apply different sets of skills and Glenn Turner again was 482 00:27:06,773 --> 00:27:09,973 Speaker 7: the master at it. We all know that, but it 483 00:27:10,053 --> 00:27:12,853 Speaker 7: was it was quite interesting as to how you went 484 00:27:12,893 --> 00:27:18,253 Speaker 7: about it because this this I'm pretty sure that East 485 00:27:18,293 --> 00:27:21,013 Speaker 7: Africa won the toss and didn't want the bat, so 486 00:27:21,173 --> 00:27:24,973 Speaker 7: we betted and it did seem around a bit because man, 487 00:27:25,013 --> 00:27:29,213 Speaker 7: we started off very carefully and then we had to 488 00:27:29,733 --> 00:27:31,493 Speaker 7: get things going later on. 489 00:27:32,013 --> 00:27:35,173 Speaker 4: Yeah, the slow State you bettered at number four. I 490 00:27:35,173 --> 00:27:38,893 Speaker 4: mean you varied your position a lot of time playing 491 00:27:38,933 --> 00:27:41,453 Speaker 4: for New Zealand, you opened, you betted down the order. 492 00:27:41,533 --> 00:27:45,773 Speaker 4: Number four there, I mean number four these days is 493 00:27:46,173 --> 00:27:49,733 Speaker 4: probably a significant position. Three and four because you're not 494 00:27:49,813 --> 00:27:52,613 Speaker 4: really expected to bat much after that. Are the are 495 00:27:52,613 --> 00:27:54,173 Speaker 4: the ones that are supposed to get all the runs? 496 00:27:55,013 --> 00:27:57,693 Speaker 7: That's right, you know, because they know that the pictures 497 00:27:57,733 --> 00:28:00,933 Speaker 7: are pretty flat. They know if the ball bounces there, 498 00:28:01,053 --> 00:28:04,213 Speaker 7: to'll end up here. And they play with confidence. You know, 499 00:28:04,253 --> 00:28:07,373 Speaker 7: some of the shots they played these days are absolutely amazing. 500 00:28:08,413 --> 00:28:10,933 Speaker 7: You couldn't have played with any sort of confidence in 501 00:28:10,973 --> 00:28:14,053 Speaker 7: those days. No helmets again, and so you wouldn't be 502 00:28:14,133 --> 00:28:17,973 Speaker 7: sort of hooking at everything that's that's short, and you'd 503 00:28:17,973 --> 00:28:20,373 Speaker 7: be letting them go and you'd be building innings, which 504 00:28:20,413 --> 00:28:24,093 Speaker 7: we clearly did there and in turns the manager that 505 00:28:24,253 --> 00:28:29,573 Speaker 7: orchestrated at all and it was a totally different sort 506 00:28:29,613 --> 00:28:32,093 Speaker 7: of approach to it. And sixty overs is quite a lot, 507 00:28:32,453 --> 00:28:35,373 Speaker 7: because in Test cricket these days they will they meant 508 00:28:35,373 --> 00:28:39,373 Speaker 7: to bowl ninety overs, but it's only it's only half 509 00:28:39,413 --> 00:28:44,133 Speaker 7: as much again as we played in the limited over game. 510 00:28:44,613 --> 00:28:46,573 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're lucky to get more than sixty overs 511 00:28:46,573 --> 00:28:48,893 Speaker 4: out of a Test match game these days anyway, your 512 00:28:48,933 --> 00:28:53,333 Speaker 4: partnership with Glenn Turner one hundred and forty nine, you 513 00:28:53,533 --> 00:28:57,253 Speaker 4: are on a ball or nearly sixty six off sixty eight, 514 00:28:57,613 --> 00:29:02,573 Speaker 4: you obviously increased the tempo and that allowed Turns to 515 00:29:03,013 --> 00:29:04,573 Speaker 4: do the same. I think I think he faced the 516 00:29:04,653 --> 00:29:07,333 Speaker 4: two hundred deliveries for one hundred and seventy one. But 517 00:29:07,853 --> 00:29:11,933 Speaker 4: you know at that stage you'd just been meandering along 518 00:29:11,933 --> 00:29:12,933 Speaker 4: to some extent, hadn't you. 519 00:29:13,853 --> 00:29:17,213 Speaker 7: Well, Again, in those days you built an innings. Well, 520 00:29:17,253 --> 00:29:20,813 Speaker 7: these days they just thrashed themselves to death all through 521 00:29:20,853 --> 00:29:25,093 Speaker 7: the innings and that wasn't the way it was. And 522 00:29:25,693 --> 00:29:30,253 Speaker 7: the openers John Morrison and Glen Turner they went out 523 00:29:30,293 --> 00:29:32,893 Speaker 7: and the ball was seeming around right, So we've got 524 00:29:32,893 --> 00:29:35,453 Speaker 7: to make sure we're still batting at sixty overs. And 525 00:29:36,653 --> 00:29:39,133 Speaker 7: there was a workman sort of an innings that had 526 00:29:39,173 --> 00:29:42,933 Speaker 7: to be wasn't good for New Zealand cricket if we 527 00:29:43,013 --> 00:29:44,933 Speaker 7: lost to East Africa. So we had to make sure 528 00:29:44,973 --> 00:29:48,493 Speaker 7: that things went well and you kept wickets in hand 529 00:29:48,653 --> 00:29:51,573 Speaker 7: and put the foot on the pedal at the end. 530 00:29:52,133 --> 00:29:55,053 Speaker 7: But still with Len and I we batted an awful 531 00:29:55,093 --> 00:29:58,253 Speaker 7: lot together in those days and It was fantastic batting 532 00:29:58,293 --> 00:30:01,053 Speaker 7: with him, and there were no hicck ups that I 533 00:30:01,093 --> 00:30:04,293 Speaker 7: can remember, and both of us just played cricket strokes 534 00:30:04,613 --> 00:30:07,653 Speaker 7: and didn't revert to some of the shots they do 535 00:30:07,773 --> 00:30:10,773 Speaker 7: these days, and it was great. 536 00:30:11,053 --> 00:30:12,093 Speaker 6: It worked out well. 537 00:30:12,533 --> 00:30:15,293 Speaker 4: I remember years ago having a discussion with you and 538 00:30:15,653 --> 00:30:17,693 Speaker 4: others in the commentary box when we were working together 539 00:30:17,773 --> 00:30:22,133 Speaker 4: about the variations that you can bring to this short 540 00:30:22,213 --> 00:30:28,093 Speaker 4: form game. But Glenn Turner sort of developed a style too, didn't. 541 00:30:28,133 --> 00:30:30,493 Speaker 4: I remember a game against England at the Bation Reserve 542 00:30:30,733 --> 00:30:35,893 Speaker 4: you might not have played in eighty three where he 543 00:30:36,053 --> 00:30:38,973 Speaker 4: scored sort of eighty and kept chipping the ball back 544 00:30:39,013 --> 00:30:41,653 Speaker 4: over the bowler's head because it was a vacant part 545 00:30:41,653 --> 00:30:43,653 Speaker 4: of the ground. But he had that ability to do that, 546 00:30:44,173 --> 00:30:47,293 Speaker 4: and I think in that game, Lance Ken's batted at three. 547 00:30:47,453 --> 00:30:50,413 Speaker 4: So they were starting to find ways of doing something 548 00:30:50,413 --> 00:30:51,693 Speaker 4: a little bit differently, weren't they. 549 00:30:52,173 --> 00:30:57,533 Speaker 7: Absolutely, And that's what happened. And I think also the science. 550 00:30:57,773 --> 00:31:00,013 Speaker 7: I'm not a huge fan of science of any sort, 551 00:31:00,413 --> 00:31:05,013 Speaker 7: but the science in preparing pictures has definitely improved, There's 552 00:31:05,053 --> 00:31:08,893 Speaker 7: no doubt about that, and so they can predict a 553 00:31:08,933 --> 00:31:12,533 Speaker 7: pitch how it's going to play and that is incredibly important. 554 00:31:12,573 --> 00:31:16,573 Speaker 7: So therefore, you know, that's always understated and cricket how 555 00:31:16,613 --> 00:31:20,653 Speaker 7: important the pitch is, and it just seems to get 556 00:31:20,653 --> 00:31:23,853 Speaker 7: pushed aside. And therefore, if the pitch is that important, 557 00:31:23,893 --> 00:31:28,613 Speaker 7: the toss is incredibly important and absolutely shapes shapes a 558 00:31:28,653 --> 00:31:33,213 Speaker 7: whole game who wins the toss. So it was starting 559 00:31:33,253 --> 00:31:37,973 Speaker 7: to evolve in things, and Glenn was a major player 560 00:31:37,973 --> 00:31:40,333 Speaker 7: and how the One day game around the world, how 561 00:31:40,413 --> 00:31:44,293 Speaker 7: it evolved. And he's scored an awful lot of first 562 00:31:44,333 --> 00:31:47,573 Speaker 7: class runs in England when first class cricket was important. 563 00:31:47,573 --> 00:31:50,133 Speaker 7: I don't think it has the same importance now at all. 564 00:31:50,613 --> 00:31:52,493 Speaker 7: But he scored an awful lot of runs in first 565 00:31:52,493 --> 00:31:54,813 Speaker 7: class cricket. But he also shaped the One day game. 566 00:31:54,813 --> 00:31:58,253 Speaker 7: He had that shot that the flat batter outside the 567 00:31:58,253 --> 00:32:00,133 Speaker 7: off stump that when he was in he was sure 568 00:32:00,213 --> 00:32:02,493 Speaker 7: that what the pitcher was doing, anything outside the off 569 00:32:02,493 --> 00:32:04,893 Speaker 7: stump got flat battered, and. 570 00:32:05,133 --> 00:32:11,213 Speaker 6: It was an amazing stroke. You know, I never know why. 571 00:32:11,013 --> 00:32:14,053 Speaker 7: They don't use it these days, because it's just absolutely 572 00:32:14,093 --> 00:32:15,893 Speaker 7: made for the way they play these days. 573 00:32:16,173 --> 00:32:18,173 Speaker 6: But nobody flat bats. 574 00:32:18,253 --> 00:32:21,053 Speaker 7: But you know, certainly anything the way then turned it, 575 00:32:21,333 --> 00:32:24,893 Speaker 7: and of course playing with him, I sort of imitated 576 00:32:24,933 --> 00:32:30,053 Speaker 7: the shots of his that I thought were effective, and 577 00:32:30,133 --> 00:32:33,173 Speaker 7: I sort of used to chip over the top as well, 578 00:32:33,333 --> 00:32:35,653 Speaker 7: and flat bat as well. But of course because I 579 00:32:35,773 --> 00:32:40,253 Speaker 7: wasn't anywhere near as good and never it. History misses 580 00:32:40,253 --> 00:32:43,573 Speaker 7: that part out the other parts for me. The other 581 00:32:43,613 --> 00:32:46,613 Speaker 7: part for me that was a lot of fun and 582 00:32:46,693 --> 00:32:48,493 Speaker 7: we had to do it was the boundaries are so 583 00:32:48,613 --> 00:32:51,773 Speaker 7: much bigger in those days, so there was space behind, 584 00:32:52,133 --> 00:32:55,613 Speaker 7: you know, one saving fielders. They had to save the ones, 585 00:32:55,653 --> 00:32:58,933 Speaker 7: otherwise you'd score off every ball. And so an easy 586 00:32:58,973 --> 00:33:01,093 Speaker 7: way of scoring runs was to chip it over the 587 00:33:01,093 --> 00:33:03,973 Speaker 7: top of uxuy, aim for the fielder and hit a 588 00:33:04,013 --> 00:33:06,013 Speaker 7: great big circle, a great big hula hoop. 589 00:33:06,213 --> 00:33:07,933 Speaker 6: Who the world's biggest hula. 590 00:33:07,653 --> 00:33:10,253 Speaker 7: Hoop was above the fielder's head, and you tried to 591 00:33:10,333 --> 00:33:13,213 Speaker 7: hit the ball through that hoop. That was the aim, 592 00:33:13,413 --> 00:33:17,453 Speaker 7: and and you could do that to any fielder in 593 00:33:17,533 --> 00:33:19,893 Speaker 7: the up saving the one. So in the bowler was 594 00:33:19,933 --> 00:33:21,813 Speaker 7: a he had a hula hoop above his head. He 595 00:33:21,893 --> 00:33:22,453 Speaker 7: never knew it. 596 00:33:22,853 --> 00:33:25,413 Speaker 6: And if it was up and straight but not quite 597 00:33:25,493 --> 00:33:26,973 Speaker 6: up far enough, you just knocked it. 598 00:33:27,173 --> 00:33:29,813 Speaker 7: H threw the ball, kept the face of that open 599 00:33:30,413 --> 00:33:32,533 Speaker 7: and knocked it over their head for two. So there 600 00:33:32,533 --> 00:33:35,613 Speaker 7: was an awful lot of space behind one savers because 601 00:33:35,653 --> 00:33:38,693 Speaker 7: the boundaries were so big, you congest those boundaries and 602 00:33:38,733 --> 00:33:41,453 Speaker 7: of course that space isn't there, and you risk if 603 00:33:41,493 --> 00:33:43,013 Speaker 7: you hit it, well, you risk getting caught. 604 00:33:43,733 --> 00:33:45,693 Speaker 6: But at Melbourne and well every ground. 605 00:33:45,453 --> 00:33:49,013 Speaker 7: The Oval, all of those grounds never had ropes and 606 00:33:49,373 --> 00:33:51,693 Speaker 7: it was you know, it was different and strategies were 607 00:33:51,693 --> 00:33:53,173 Speaker 7: different and it was fantastic. 608 00:33:54,013 --> 00:33:56,653 Speaker 4: And players are starting to develop that sort of technique 609 00:33:56,653 --> 00:33:58,813 Speaker 4: at the moment. Update our field is back, take the 610 00:33:58,893 --> 00:34:01,653 Speaker 4: pace off the ball and go for two. You know, 611 00:34:01,693 --> 00:34:04,453 Speaker 4: you see that plan quite often and many of the 612 00:34:04,493 --> 00:34:08,773 Speaker 4: games for these players. In terms of Glenn Turner's game, 613 00:34:09,053 --> 00:34:13,613 Speaker 4: particularly in the one day competition like this, was he 614 00:34:15,173 --> 00:34:18,333 Speaker 4: an analyst as such, and he spent a lot of 615 00:34:18,373 --> 00:34:22,013 Speaker 4: time thinking about the kind of shots that he could 616 00:34:22,053 --> 00:34:25,093 Speaker 4: play and develop. I don't imagine he was the kind 617 00:34:25,133 --> 00:34:26,493 Speaker 4: of player who would just go out and say I'm 618 00:34:26,533 --> 00:34:28,853 Speaker 4: going to play that. He probably would have practiced it 619 00:34:29,053 --> 00:34:29,493 Speaker 4: would he. 620 00:34:29,933 --> 00:34:31,493 Speaker 6: Oh, absolutely absolutely. 621 00:34:31,573 --> 00:34:37,093 Speaker 7: He knew his game incredibly well, he knew what games 622 00:34:37,493 --> 00:34:40,893 Speaker 7: he played, that he could practice something, but he was 623 00:34:41,333 --> 00:34:45,293 Speaker 7: he kept the game incredibly simple, and that his stance 624 00:34:45,773 --> 00:34:49,133 Speaker 7: was was set, and he changed it a little bit 625 00:34:49,253 --> 00:34:50,493 Speaker 7: once he went on. 626 00:34:50,893 --> 00:34:51,813 Speaker 6: You know, once he got. 627 00:34:51,693 --> 00:34:55,693 Speaker 7: In, he changed it slightly is as angle of his 628 00:34:55,773 --> 00:34:58,333 Speaker 7: wrist at the back. He cocked his wrist a little 629 00:34:58,333 --> 00:35:00,533 Speaker 7: bit more at the back once he got in, and 630 00:35:00,573 --> 00:35:01,853 Speaker 7: he opened the face of the. 631 00:35:01,813 --> 00:35:05,053 Speaker 6: Bat out and his stance a little bit once he 632 00:35:05,093 --> 00:35:07,453 Speaker 6: got in. It was very square earlier on. 633 00:35:07,573 --> 00:35:11,653 Speaker 7: So he always was into the bat square to the ball. 634 00:35:11,613 --> 00:35:12,773 Speaker 6: Early on in his in it. 635 00:35:13,853 --> 00:35:16,733 Speaker 7: And he just knew that by keeping his head still 636 00:35:17,493 --> 00:35:21,293 Speaker 7: and not planting wherever the ball was, that's where he 637 00:35:21,373 --> 00:35:23,693 Speaker 7: hit it. So if the ball was out to be 638 00:35:23,773 --> 00:35:26,413 Speaker 7: hit through the covers, if it was up fair enough, 639 00:35:26,453 --> 00:35:27,973 Speaker 7: he hit it on the ground. If it wasn't quite 640 00:35:28,053 --> 00:35:30,933 Speaker 7: up fair enough, he chipped it over the dup. So 641 00:35:31,013 --> 00:35:33,893 Speaker 7: it was an incredibly simple game. And he was just 642 00:35:33,973 --> 00:35:37,893 Speaker 7: the master at not making technical mistakes. 643 00:35:37,893 --> 00:35:39,613 Speaker 6: So that his shoulder. 644 00:35:39,653 --> 00:35:41,653 Speaker 7: We believe that you move your shoulder to the ball, 645 00:35:41,733 --> 00:35:44,253 Speaker 7: not your foot, because if you move your shoulder, your 646 00:35:44,253 --> 00:35:46,293 Speaker 7: head goes with it, and then your foot has to 647 00:35:46,333 --> 00:35:49,493 Speaker 7: go with it otherwise you fall over. And not many 648 00:35:49,533 --> 00:35:53,333 Speaker 7: people do that, and they and so he just hit it. 649 00:35:53,373 --> 00:35:55,333 Speaker 6: So if the ball was there to be hit through 650 00:35:55,653 --> 00:35:56,853 Speaker 6: mid on. That's what he did. 651 00:35:56,933 --> 00:35:59,133 Speaker 7: He just moved his shoulder to it, hit it along 652 00:35:59,173 --> 00:36:00,893 Speaker 7: the ground, or he hit it in the air. And 653 00:36:01,533 --> 00:36:04,493 Speaker 7: he was the master at not moving around in the 654 00:36:04,573 --> 00:36:09,253 Speaker 7: stance and therefore by standing absolutely still until he knew 655 00:36:09,253 --> 00:36:15,413 Speaker 7: where the ball was going, that he made very few mistakes. 656 00:36:15,613 --> 00:36:19,373 Speaker 7: These days, they plant because for some reason they think 657 00:36:19,413 --> 00:36:22,333 Speaker 7: people are bowling so fast that they can't move to 658 00:36:22,373 --> 00:36:26,013 Speaker 7: the ball wherever it dictates you should move. They for 659 00:36:26,053 --> 00:36:29,613 Speaker 7: some reason believe that you can't do that anymore, which 660 00:36:29,733 --> 00:36:31,853 Speaker 7: I don't believe that to be true at all. And 661 00:36:32,013 --> 00:36:36,533 Speaker 7: Turns was the absolute master at standing still and playing 662 00:36:36,533 --> 00:36:39,173 Speaker 7: the ball on its marriage wherever it went. But he 663 00:36:39,213 --> 00:36:41,813 Speaker 7: always had two options along the ground or in the air. 664 00:36:42,453 --> 00:36:45,133 Speaker 4: Yeah. The other the thing is that the game has 665 00:36:45,293 --> 00:36:48,773 Speaker 4: changed so much now that players don't stand still or 666 00:36:48,853 --> 00:36:52,653 Speaker 4: keep their heads still. They're across the crease looking for opportunities. 667 00:36:52,653 --> 00:36:54,093 Speaker 4: They can see that. You can see them batting at 668 00:36:54,133 --> 00:36:56,173 Speaker 4: the return increase on the off side or outside of 669 00:36:56,173 --> 00:36:58,253 Speaker 4: the eg stump, trying to predict what the ball is 670 00:36:58,293 --> 00:37:01,093 Speaker 4: going to do. And that's been one of the massive changes. 671 00:37:02,013 --> 00:37:05,173 Speaker 4: And I suppose it's been brought about by the number 672 00:37:05,173 --> 00:37:07,253 Speaker 4: of competitions that are being played in the design to 673 00:37:07,333 --> 00:37:08,533 Speaker 4: win and the money that goes it. 674 00:37:09,453 --> 00:37:13,253 Speaker 7: And Glinton also moved around a crease later on in 675 00:37:13,253 --> 00:37:16,573 Speaker 7: his career, more than at the start. But again he 676 00:37:16,613 --> 00:37:19,933 Speaker 7: moved around and was set in a different position and 677 00:37:20,013 --> 00:37:22,933 Speaker 7: everything was still when the ball was delivered. So he 678 00:37:23,693 --> 00:37:27,333 Speaker 7: was the master of the the coverage of the lofted 679 00:37:27,373 --> 00:37:29,693 Speaker 7: cover drive when the ball pitched on mid off and 680 00:37:29,733 --> 00:37:32,613 Speaker 7: he was also very good on the drop kick over 681 00:37:32,693 --> 00:37:35,573 Speaker 7: midwicket when the ball was pitched on off stump. So 682 00:37:35,693 --> 00:37:38,213 Speaker 7: he moved around too, but the basics of what he 683 00:37:39,933 --> 00:37:43,413 Speaker 7: how he executed a stroke was still the same, and 684 00:37:43,933 --> 00:37:46,813 Speaker 7: it was you know, it was fantastic batting with him, 685 00:37:46,933 --> 00:37:50,373 Speaker 7: and he inspired everybody that that batted with him. And 686 00:37:50,733 --> 00:37:55,933 Speaker 7: I was lucky enough to be a broken mirror image 687 00:37:55,973 --> 00:37:56,653 Speaker 7: at the other end. 688 00:37:56,733 --> 00:37:58,613 Speaker 6: Probably over one hundred times there. 689 00:37:58,653 --> 00:38:03,573 Speaker 4: Was yeah, did you play much at Worcester with him? 690 00:38:03,573 --> 00:38:06,693 Speaker 4: Because I mean in those days there were certain rules there, 691 00:38:06,773 --> 00:38:08,213 Speaker 4: but you were both at w Wasster. 692 00:38:09,533 --> 00:38:11,973 Speaker 7: We were I was the luckiest person ever to play 693 00:38:12,013 --> 00:38:16,893 Speaker 7: county cricket because everybody else had to be an international 694 00:38:16,973 --> 00:38:20,693 Speaker 7: superstar to go and play, or at least an international 695 00:38:20,733 --> 00:38:24,573 Speaker 7: player I wasn't and hadn't even played first card cricket. 696 00:38:24,573 --> 00:38:27,453 Speaker 7: I played in the same club as Martin Horton in 697 00:38:27,573 --> 00:38:31,173 Speaker 7: Auckland and haughty wonderful fellow did so much for New 698 00:38:31,213 --> 00:38:34,733 Speaker 7: Zealand cricket, just amazing. It's forgotten what he did for 699 00:38:34,773 --> 00:38:38,053 Speaker 7: New Zealand cricket. But he suggested I go to Worcester 700 00:38:38,493 --> 00:38:41,413 Speaker 7: and have a month's trial. So I went over and 701 00:38:41,453 --> 00:38:44,693 Speaker 7: the month turned into a season, and then the last 702 00:38:44,733 --> 00:38:47,813 Speaker 7: game of the season was against India who had just 703 00:38:47,893 --> 00:38:50,533 Speaker 7: beaten England for the first time, and the selector came 704 00:38:50,613 --> 00:38:52,173 Speaker 7: up to me and said, if you make runs today 705 00:38:52,213 --> 00:38:54,813 Speaker 7: we'll think about keeping you and if you don't, misending 706 00:38:54,853 --> 00:38:58,613 Speaker 7: your home. So I think wouldn't Commander Shakespeare very much 707 00:38:58,693 --> 00:39:03,613 Speaker 7: for his communication, and luckily was the last out for 708 00:39:03,733 --> 00:39:07,893 Speaker 7: ninety one, so we were established. Got in there and 709 00:39:07,933 --> 00:39:12,013 Speaker 7: then the next game was against Bob Massey is Australian team, 710 00:39:12,413 --> 00:39:16,493 Speaker 7: first game next year, and Johnny Gleason the mystery spinner, 711 00:39:17,813 --> 00:39:19,853 Speaker 7: the second major mystery. 712 00:39:19,533 --> 00:39:21,813 Speaker 6: Spinner, and did alright. 713 00:39:22,053 --> 00:39:26,173 Speaker 7: It rained, of course, but it all worked out pretty 714 00:39:26,173 --> 00:39:34,013 Speaker 7: well and was signed on as a overseas player when 715 00:39:34,053 --> 00:39:37,693 Speaker 7: a gap appeared, because you could serve a time in 716 00:39:37,733 --> 00:39:40,533 Speaker 7: those days, and then you came off the overseas list. 717 00:39:40,613 --> 00:39:41,813 Speaker 6: We had Van burn Hold of. 718 00:39:41,813 --> 00:39:46,853 Speaker 7: The very capable Westerndies opening bowler, and Glen Turner was 719 00:39:46,853 --> 00:39:50,213 Speaker 7: the other one, so we also had him round Kahn. 720 00:39:50,253 --> 00:39:55,853 Speaker 7: He was my flatmate, and he and I changed his 721 00:39:55,853 --> 00:39:59,453 Speaker 7: bowling action for him, which most people don't think is true, 722 00:39:59,453 --> 00:40:02,053 Speaker 7: but if you could contact them now, which I'm sure 723 00:40:02,093 --> 00:40:06,093 Speaker 7: you can't, he would say it. It was mentioned in one 724 00:40:06,093 --> 00:40:08,293 Speaker 7: of his books that we used to in the winter 725 00:40:08,413 --> 00:40:09,653 Speaker 7: that I had to stay there. We used to get 726 00:40:09,653 --> 00:40:12,653 Speaker 7: out unto the King's School gym and play with a 727 00:40:12,733 --> 00:40:16,133 Speaker 7: tennis ball and we changed his action and he was 728 00:40:16,173 --> 00:40:19,133 Speaker 7: eternally grateful. But he was there and he could come 729 00:40:19,173 --> 00:40:21,493 Speaker 7: and play for us because he went to Oxford University, 730 00:40:22,333 --> 00:40:25,893 Speaker 7: and there were different rules for Oxford University students, so 731 00:40:26,053 --> 00:40:29,893 Speaker 7: you could go after the university season finished, you could 732 00:40:29,933 --> 00:40:32,853 Speaker 7: go and play for whatever county you wanted. So he 733 00:40:32,933 --> 00:40:36,293 Speaker 7: came and played for Worcester and we flattered together next 734 00:40:36,293 --> 00:40:40,653 Speaker 7: to Glenn Turnert and his soon to be wife, and 735 00:40:40,933 --> 00:40:42,293 Speaker 7: we had an awful lot of fun. 736 00:40:43,773 --> 00:40:45,853 Speaker 4: We had a lot of fun. I'm sure Parks enjoyed 737 00:40:46,453 --> 00:40:49,373 Speaker 4: flatting in Worcestershire in those days. But I'm not sure 738 00:40:49,373 --> 00:40:52,813 Speaker 4: that he'd want to be a roommate with around Carn now, Jerry. 739 00:40:54,613 --> 00:41:00,693 Speaker 5: Yeah, I know Sell five three four because Parks doesn't 740 00:41:00,733 --> 00:41:03,613 Speaker 5: eat much. If you remember, he wouldn't like the gruel 741 00:41:03,813 --> 00:41:06,373 Speaker 5: they handed in the mornings. I don't think he'd lose 742 00:41:06,413 --> 00:41:11,093 Speaker 5: a bit of weight old Parks there, and I don't 743 00:41:11,093 --> 00:41:13,413 Speaker 5: think he'll be talking to him run about his bowling 744 00:41:13,453 --> 00:41:15,653 Speaker 5: action any longer. He used to talk about his bowling 745 00:41:15,693 --> 00:41:18,893 Speaker 5: action to help help him run Carn with that. 746 00:41:19,413 --> 00:41:24,653 Speaker 4: He said he sorted it out for him while he 747 00:41:24,733 --> 00:41:29,093 Speaker 4: still said it, And he said they weren't the tidiest 748 00:41:29,093 --> 00:41:32,653 Speaker 4: of flatmates either, So I guess they've got something very 749 00:41:32,733 --> 00:41:36,133 Speaker 4: much in common. But lovely to hear from Parks talking about, 750 00:41:36,493 --> 00:41:39,853 Speaker 4: in fact, the Glen Turner headings of a one hundred 751 00:41:39,893 --> 00:41:42,613 Speaker 4: and seventy one as you've just heard. All right, Well 752 00:41:43,013 --> 00:41:46,653 Speaker 4: take it carefully, getting up to heading then heading league, Jerry. 753 00:41:47,773 --> 00:41:51,493 Speaker 4: The country box there is in somebody's office in the university, 754 00:41:51,533 --> 00:41:51,853 Speaker 4: isn't it. 755 00:41:51,893 --> 00:41:52,973 Speaker 3: So that's it. 756 00:41:53,013 --> 00:41:53,773 Speaker 4: Make sure that's it. 757 00:41:54,413 --> 00:41:58,133 Speaker 5: You've got physics, physics, little things on white boards behind 758 00:41:58,173 --> 00:41:59,773 Speaker 5: you and things like that, and you try and work 759 00:41:59,813 --> 00:42:02,293 Speaker 5: that out and try and say to yourself, how does 760 00:42:02,333 --> 00:42:02,733 Speaker 5: that mean? 761 00:42:02,933 --> 00:42:04,133 Speaker 3: What does that mean for the game? 762 00:42:06,253 --> 00:42:09,573 Speaker 4: And that was as difficult as algebra was for me, 763 00:42:09,773 --> 00:42:12,413 Speaker 4: or calculus and all that sort of stuff. So I 764 00:42:12,493 --> 00:42:14,453 Speaker 4: just used to cover them all up and concentrate on 765 00:42:14,493 --> 00:42:14,933 Speaker 4: the cricket. 766 00:42:15,613 --> 00:42:18,813 Speaker 5: We'll see your we might see your mate, you know, 767 00:42:18,973 --> 00:42:20,373 Speaker 5: Jeffrey Boycott once. 768 00:42:20,493 --> 00:42:21,893 Speaker 3: He'll be up there. So I would have. 769 00:42:21,853 --> 00:42:24,493 Speaker 4: Thought, yeah, oh, well give him my regards. 770 00:42:24,853 --> 00:42:27,973 Speaker 5: I will, I will, and I'll try and get a 771 00:42:28,013 --> 00:42:29,013 Speaker 5: picture of his reaction. 772 00:42:31,373 --> 00:42:34,373 Speaker 4: Okay, and PEPs, you might be able to record it 773 00:42:34,413 --> 00:42:35,173 Speaker 4: and send it back here. 774 00:42:35,253 --> 00:42:41,853 Speaker 3: It makes for good radio. Take it easing, all right, Love, 775 00:42:42,093 --> 00:42:44,493 Speaker 3: love you to talk, See you later. 776 00:42:55,493 --> 00:42:58,133 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks d B, listen live on 777 00:42:58,213 --> 00:43:01,173 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 778 00:43:01,213 --> 00:43:03,813 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.