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Speaker 1: Afternoon. Now, one of the questions now that the abuse

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Speaker 1: and care reporters out is will the perpetrators in that

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Speaker 1: in that report be held to account. The three thousand

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Speaker 1: page report released yesterday detailed countless allegations of, among other things, abuse, neglect,

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Speaker 1: and sex trafficking that was carried out against people, young people, kids,

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Speaker 1: in state and religious care. Now, Jim Goodwin is an

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Speaker 1: abuse survivor who was on the Royal Commissioned Survivor Advisory Group,

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Speaker 1: and he's with me. Now, Hey, Jim, Hi, Heather, do

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Speaker 1: you want the police to investigate and charge alleged perpetrators?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Are they still alive?

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Speaker 2: Are some of them? Are? Some of them? Are?

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Speaker 1: What proportion do you reckon are?

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Speaker 2: Oh, Heather, I would have no idea.

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Speaker 1: Are we talking a majority? Maybe half or just a handful?

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Speaker 2: I have no idea. Nineteen fifty to nineteen ninety nine. Obviously.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is here the abuse has continued since

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine. It's still going on, so those ones

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Speaker 2: are mostly be still.

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Speaker 1: Why haven't Why haven't these people been chased by the

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Speaker 1: cops yet?

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Speaker 2: Lots of reasons. In the early days the cops went

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Speaker 2: resourced to do it. They didn't know how to interview

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Speaker 2: people for sexual offending. They didn't know how to interview survivors,

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Speaker 2: so much better at it now. Survivors didn't come forward

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Speaker 2: a whole lot of reasons.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And this is one of the things that we've

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Speaker 1: heard is that even if given the opportunity, a lot

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Speaker 1: of survivors wouldn't talk to police because they don't trust police.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that they would? Did you think that's

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Speaker 1: an ongoing problem?

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Speaker 2: It is an ongoing problem. It's getting better. The police

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Speaker 2: are doing a much better job now than they were

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Speaker 2: even five years ago. But you know, a lot of

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Speaker 2: survivors don't trust authority at all.

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Speaker 1: Would you talk to police about your abuse?

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Speaker 2: I did? I already have what happened. So they interviewed

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Speaker 2: alleged perpetrators and decided not to proceed because they felt

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Speaker 2: that the perpetrators would invoke I think it's a section

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Speaker 2: in the Crimes Act saying it was too long since a.

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Speaker 1: Statute of limitations, Like how do you feel about that?

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Speaker 2: Are okay? I mean, we gave the perpetrators a pretty

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Speaker 2: good rattle up. You know, they were interviewed by detectives

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Speaker 2: and they layered up pretty quickly. So, yeah, they know

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Speaker 2: who they are and they know what they did.

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Speaker 1: Jim, on the subject of redress, which is obviously going

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Speaker 1: to happen, the government's made that pretty clear. Do you

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Speaker 1: think that. Do you think that survivors should have money

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Speaker 1: given to them directly as compost?

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Speaker 2: Yes, how much it depends on the nature of the offense.

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Speaker 1: Would you think in some cases, I mean, Sony Cooper

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Speaker 1: was talking to us the lawyer yesterday about potentially up

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Speaker 1: to hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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Speaker 2: Would that be absolutely absolutely for some people.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Jim, thank you very much. I really appreciate you

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Speaker 1: talking about it. Mate. That's Jim Goodwin, who is abuse survivor.

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