Speaker 1: Live from the ex Board Beargarden Studios. You're listening to
Speaker 1: the b YC where we all be reflecting on the
Speaker 1: black Cats first Test performance against Sri Lanka. To be fair,
Speaker 1: it was a pretty solid performance given the location, past history,
Speaker 1: and the fact that it was the first real run
Speaker 1: of the season. There were always some key moments when
Speaker 1: New Zealand had the opportunity to dictate terms, but ultimately
Speaker 1: batting last and Sri Lankan conditions is always a challenge.
Speaker 1: There are, however, some questions that need to be asked,
Speaker 1: particularly with Conway's continued struggles and the awkward conundrum of
Speaker 1: the skipper and whether the team would be better served
Speaker 1: with a straight swap of Henry for Salvey. Let's dive
Speaker 1: in and fell as we were saying before the podcast started, Dylan,
Speaker 1: a pretty solid effort overall is a generic kind of
Speaker 1: look at this Test match, and from a personal point
Speaker 1: of view, better than I was into dispating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought losing that Test to Afghanistan, not losing
Speaker 2: to Afghanistan, yes, but losing the entire test or weather,
Speaker 2: I thought that was really put the black Caps on
Speaker 2: the back foot. But they played pretty well. In fact,
Speaker 2: they dominated the first half, well, not dominated, they should
Speaker 2: have dominated the first half the Test bold very well
Speaker 2: to dismiss Sri Lanka for what was it three or
Speaker 2: five first innings had a real chance to post a
Speaker 2: big total. And we'll get to one of the reasons
Speaker 2: why they didn't. Yes, they didn't. Oh we will press
Speaker 2: home that advantage. But yeah, a reasonably solid performance. Disappointing
Speaker 2: fourth innings chase, but perhaps predictable in those conditions. But yeah,
Speaker 2: bloody good Test match and a great time. So yeah,
Speaker 2: how good lie on the couch dinner.
Speaker 1: I tell you what, Yes, well, I tell you what.
Speaker 1: For me, I'm doing a radio show at that time,
Speaker 1: but I've got it on in the background there. You know,
Speaker 1: we had some pretty appalling shows during that period, as
Speaker 1: my colleagues accuse me of not paying attention to the
Speaker 1: show while the cricket was on. Just to start off,
Speaker 1: pull Ford, your thoughts pretty solid from you.
Speaker 3: As well, Yeah, yeah, look I agree, and I think yeah,
Speaker 3: at the end of the game, it was like, oh bugger,
Speaker 3: you know, played pretty well, felt like a game that
Speaker 3: maybe got away and you know, not a bad effort.
Speaker 3: After one hundred and ninety days away from the game.
Speaker 3: And Sri Lanka a decent side. You know, they didn't
Speaker 3: do any grass transplants, they didn't use any four fans
Speaker 3: and four plugs to keep the ground in decent condition.
Speaker 3: And I was, I really, I know we talked about
Speaker 3: it last week, but I was surprised when we hit
Speaker 3: the rest day on Saturday night and I said it
Speaker 3: into just before the Blederslow, and of course it wasn't on,
Speaker 3: and switched over to CNN and watched them live Shrilankan
Speaker 3: election in the lead up to the Blislow, which was interesting.
Speaker 3: Congratulations to Hareni Amasaria for winning the SriLankan Prime Minister.
Speaker 1: Funnily enough, Paul I did the same thing actually on Saturday.
Speaker 1: But there you go. David writes, hello all, I'll try
Speaker 1: to keep this brief, as I know you don't want
Speaker 1: need war and peace level emails. Following the black Caps
Speaker 1: recent test last I wanted to say how impressed I
Speaker 1: was that the black Caps took the game as deep
Speaker 1: as they did and didn't just roll over. Sri Lanka
Speaker 1: were excellent at times against a frankly complacent and hubristic
Speaker 1: England in their recent test series. Joe Root comparing the
Speaker 1: England team to coldplay while not really acknowledging the talent
Speaker 1: Sri Lanka possesses, oh dear, coupled with the washout and
Speaker 1: therefore a severe lack of appropriate match practice, New Zealand
Speaker 1: were one good innings in support of ratching away from
Speaker 1: snatching victory and gall Yes, there are issues at the
Speaker 1: top of the order and a lack of bowling depth.
Speaker 1: This makes our performance even better in my book, and
Speaker 1: while the challenges will increase, I remember some of our
Speaker 1: failures and the fourth innings in particular only too well,
Speaker 1: which leads me to enjoy us actually being competitive on
Speaker 1: the subcontinent. I might change my view during the Test
Speaker 1: series against India, however, keep up the great work, Dave.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair play to them. I think we did take
Speaker 2: the game to them. I thought our batting plans were
Speaker 2: very positive and unexpected. You could argue maybe a couple
Speaker 2: of them took them too far, but I like the
Speaker 2: fact that they were reversing against the big turning ball
Speaker 2: and using conventional sweep as well, because that's obviously the
Speaker 2: easiest way to get out and smother spin. But yeah,
Speaker 2: just I mean they were very good and yet didn't
Speaker 2: win and lost, So that's I guess concerning and a
Speaker 2: lot of respects too.
Speaker 3: The other thing to bear in mind, and I just
Speaker 3: had a quick look Sri Lanka at home and Test
Speaker 3: cricket are actually quite shit. You know. They've only beaten
Speaker 3: in the last few years. And I didn't go sort
Speaker 3: of empirical on this, but the last few years they've
Speaker 3: beate in Afghanistan, Ireland, in Bengal, Dish, they've lost to Pakistan, Australia,
Speaker 3: England twice, US and India. So it's hard to know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I thought Ika an interesting team. I've obviously
Speaker 3: got some good players, but I feel like they are
Speaker 3: there for the taking and we just didn't quite get
Speaker 3: around to it.
Speaker 1: Good one, Paul, thanks for raining on our parade.
Speaker 3: Mate.
Speaker 1: We were just saying what a solid performance it was,
Speaker 1: and then you go and bring that sort of shit.
Speaker 3: Out with some few facts.
Speaker 1: But interestingly enough, first and foremost, let's acknowledge it a
Speaker 1: significant moment. We lost the toss, the significant and tri
Speaker 1: luncan conditions. Let's be honest. I was really surprised because
Speaker 1: we just discussed it in the last podcast. Will O'Rourke
Speaker 1: over Henry. We were all convinced it was going to
Speaker 1: be Henry and my, oh my, uh, that young feller
Speaker 1: Dylan continues to impress.
Speaker 2: I like the cut of his jeb Yeah, terriffic five
Speaker 2: point fifty five in the first egg with pace really
Speaker 2: really late induck in that first spell in particular, and
Speaker 2: kind of showed up the skipper's limitations at the other
Speaker 2: end as well, who was bowling a more gentle kind
Speaker 2: of outswing. But yeah, I mean, well, o' rock, he's
Speaker 2: got a big future ahead of him if he can
Speaker 2: say fit.
Speaker 1: You know, there were echoes for me, Paul and watching
Speaker 1: Willow Rourke and I don't know if you agree with
Speaker 1: us of Jamison and what I mean by that. He's
Speaker 1: a big, tall, burly guy. He tends to bowl back
Speaker 1: of a length, gets the batsman playing on the back
Speaker 1: foot a lot, and then he's able to chuck in
Speaker 1: that full bunger and that's a really effective method.
Speaker 3: Look, yeah, I think it's a really it's a really
Speaker 3: fair comparison. Definitely gets the batsmen hopping around. You can
Speaker 3: tell that they're trying to protect their fingers on the
Speaker 3: bat handle. All those sorts of things. They're really not
Speaker 3: enjoying quite a slippery bouncer that more often than not
Speaker 3: was pretty well directed. So yeah, absolutely, I mean, I
Speaker 3: you know, you talk about injury with will o'rourkean none
Speaker 3: other than Sir Richard Headley this week also said keep it,
Speaker 3: keep your hands off them. From a T twenty and
Speaker 3: IPL perspective, I just obviously I agree, but it just
Speaker 3: doesn't feel realistic that this kid is not going to
Speaker 3: get some pretty decent offers over the next few years. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just that just the reality of the
Speaker 3: way cricket works, right, you know, there's not enough Test
Speaker 3: cricket for a guy that come to just play test
Speaker 3: cricket for New Zealand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the other factor. It's a conundrum. And Sri
Speaker 1: Lanka capitulating in the lower order. In fact, that was
Speaker 1: a theme throughout the Test match, actually that all the
Speaker 1: lower orders just added no value whatsoever. And then New
Speaker 1: Zealand comes into bat. Let's let's focus on that. They
Speaker 1: would have been relatively happy to have restricted Sri Lanka
Speaker 1: to that score, Dylan, or do you think it was
Speaker 1: a few more than they would have liked?
Speaker 2: I thought with the damage will ow' rourke did, it
Speaker 2: was a few more than they would have liked. You
Speaker 2: would have expected our spinners to really capitalize on that
Speaker 2: early work of O'Rourke. And I thought that the spinners
Speaker 2: took a wee while to acclimate. Is that a work? Yes,
Speaker 2: it is acclimate to conditions. In a way. It's similar
Speaker 2: to batters, right, you grow up playing on wickets like
Speaker 2: the Bay over the basin Hagley. You get used to
Speaker 2: playing a certain way. We shouldn't expect spinners just to
Speaker 2: be able to go over and bowl on turning pictures
Speaker 2: and be immediately brilliant just because they turn. You have
Speaker 2: to bowld different trajectories, different speeds. And I thought that
Speaker 2: first trelancabatty innings, I thought they were quite poor for
Speaker 2: too long at doing that, and once Ahs got used
Speaker 2: to it, he was obviously highly effective. So I did
Speaker 2: think they got a little too many runs actually, And
Speaker 2: as for those tails folding in every innings, I don't
Speaker 2: think we can appreciate just how difficult it is to
Speaker 2: play on raging turners if you do not have a
Speaker 2: rock solid technique.
Speaker 1: Sure. I would suggest though that in that first couple
Speaker 1: of days it wasn't a raging turner got it got
Speaker 1: as as you would expect in Sri Lankan conditions later on,
Speaker 1: and that's why I think the toss was really significant
Speaker 1: and I think it's understandable too, just as you've stated
Speaker 1: that our spinners took a while to kind of find
Speaker 1: the arrange. So we get them out, we bat, we
Speaker 1: get ourselves. Well let's start with Conway. You know, he's
Speaker 1: obviously had a big break. There were some people beating
Speaker 1: the drums and going what's happened? What's happened to? Conway
Speaker 1: didn't really answer his critics pulled forward in this Test match.
Speaker 3: Well, no twenty one runs, was it? I think?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Just looking the seventeen and four twenty one off sixty
Speaker 3: six balls, Yeah, look he looks atsy. I think Dylan
Speaker 3: talked about in the bounce and being closed off and
Speaker 3: not seeing the straight balls till very late. Yeah. Look,
Speaker 3: he looks really troubled at the moment, doesn't he. It's
Speaker 3: sad to watch. Actually, it looks really painful. And when
Speaker 3: you look at his career betting record in Test cricket,
Speaker 3: obviously starts with a absolute monstrous skytower at one end,
Speaker 3: but it's turned into a bit of a slum village
Speaker 3: over recent testings for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. And there's one thing that it was
Speaker 1: prevalent in his game, I thought, right from the very beginning,
Speaker 1: which is his propensity to get his bad away from
Speaker 1: his pad. He used to get a lot of inside
Speaker 1: edges onto his pad, onto the stumps. That was his
Speaker 1: dismissal and the second innings from recollection. But we'll touch
Speaker 1: on that a little bit further down. But New Zealand
Speaker 1: pull Dylan got themselves into a strong position where we
Speaker 1: were potentially going to post a big lead on them,
Speaker 1: and I remember talking in the studio and going, here
Speaker 1: we go, Fellows, this is the key to it, and
Speaker 1: then an absolute bloody disaster, a brain explosion. The runout
Speaker 1: of Mitchell to me was another who was you know?
Speaker 1: Was he on fifty odd by that point fifty seven? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and looking solid, And I thought, yeah, here we go
Speaker 1: if we can get one hundred, one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: lead here, which is probably overplaying it, but we're in
Speaker 1: the box seat.
Speaker 2: Two critical turning points in this match, both batting two
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety one for five in the first innings
Speaker 2: and poised to put on a big lead. Yes, Glenn
Speaker 2: Phillips unnecessarily takes a run. There probably was one there actually,
Speaker 2: but it just wasn't. As I think I was mentioned
Speaker 2: to you before the podcast. At that point in time,
Speaker 2: it's Sri Lanka's job to unsettle the batters, yes, not
Speaker 2: New Zealand's job to unsettle the bowlers, because they'd kind
Speaker 2: of done that, and I just thought it was a
Speaker 2: bit wishful thinking. Having said that, Mitchell was very slow
Speaker 2: on the uptake and looked like he was sitting on
Speaker 2: his back and or it. But that runout was critical.
Speaker 2: Two hundred ninety one for five became three hundred and
Speaker 2: four for nine. Yes, that's how Then at the end
Speaker 2: that's as particularly disastrous it was for New Zealand. And yeah,
Speaker 2: the second second major turning point would have been blunder
Speaker 2: or reverse sweeping. Once Prova Jayasuria came over the wicket
Speaker 2: to him, he had sort of won the battle as
Speaker 2: well there and the second endings at one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty two for four things looking promising. I thought that
Speaker 2: was the other turning point, But I don't think you
Speaker 2: can look past the runout as probably the single moment
Speaker 2: and the test where a position of strength was thrown away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was particularly poor when you look at the
Speaker 1: final margin, you know what I mean, you go, oh, geez,
Speaker 1: just another one hundred runs more when we were in
Speaker 1: that position at five down and we just didn't nail it.
Speaker 3: Well, that's right, and even you know, I just psychologically
Speaker 3: a lead of one hundred, which obviously would have been enough.
Speaker 3: That's kind of ridiculous backwards engineering, but just a psychology
Speaker 3: that I think could have been extremely helpful. Yeah, as
Speaker 3: you say, twenty four runs behind that when that runout happened,
Speaker 3: jas Area I think was in his thirty sixth or
Speaker 3: thirty seventh over, So it doesn't look like he gets
Speaker 3: very tired, very easily, but certainly into the grind and
Speaker 3: just just a calamity. The first time Daryn Whtch's ever
Speaker 3: been run out in a Test match. Oh interestingly enough. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the other turning point that I thought you were going
Speaker 3: to cite Dylan but you didn't was also for me.
Speaker 3: Was also involved Glenn Phillips, and I feel like I
Speaker 3: feel like he was doing that thing in the field
Speaker 3: that you do when you in you're kind of oh know,
Speaker 3: when you're sort of hype your add and you're kind
Speaker 3: of like I'm going to preemptively sprint off in the
Speaker 3: direction that I think the ball's going to go, and
Speaker 3: then the ball goes exactly where you should be fielding.
Speaker 3: And it was a bit sort of show body. I felt, Oh,
Speaker 3: I feel sad saying that. But this was the drop
Speaker 3: catch off Sat and a commindu menace was twenty one
Speaker 3: not out that was punished with an extra ninety three runs. Yeah,
Speaker 3: a full teapot from Metchell Center. He was really pissed off.
Speaker 1: Just on that. Dylan and I were talking about Phillips
Speaker 1: before this podcast, Paul Forward and saying that he is
Speaker 1: a bit of a show pony and he's a little
Speaker 1: bit about himself when he's batting. There's just something about
Speaker 1: him that I've you know, I think he brings some
Speaker 1: real skills to the game, but there's also attributes that
Speaker 1: I feel less comfortable with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the expector which can actually go both ways. Yes,
Speaker 2: and at times I think when he's at the crease
Speaker 2: it's too much about him. An example I always cite,
Speaker 2: I think, is when Retch and Ravenel was hunting down
Speaker 2: a double ton last summer and Phillips came out to
Speaker 2: bat and almost immediately started hogging the strike, going through
Speaker 2: these quick singles with a guy that's better for hours
Speaker 2: and hours, and it just felt like he doesn't necessarily
Speaker 2: as an EQ. I don't know if he has a
Speaker 2: batting EQ, but he's but the positive is far away
Speaker 2: the negatives with Phillips. He's a spark plug. As we
Speaker 2: mentioned all the time, he's an X factor. He's becoming
Speaker 2: more than a useful part time off here. He probably
Speaker 2: turns it more than any other spinner we've got. But
Speaker 2: sometimes I just think he needs to slow down a
Speaker 2: little bit. Maybe that's the wrong advice to give someone like.
Speaker 1: That, take a deep breath, but just you take a deep.
Speaker 2: Breath and appreciate the situation you're in. I don't think
Speaker 2: he did that with the runout, even if you do
Speaker 2: want to blame Mitchell for being lazy between the wickets.
Speaker 1: Very similar for Sri Lanka and the second innings there
Speaker 1: pull forward a collapse of the lower order and they
Speaker 1: too were in a position where they could, you know,
Speaker 1: look like they were going to get quite a substantial lead.
Speaker 1: Really encouraging to see Patel, you know, come into form.
Speaker 1: What did he end up with six foot Yeah, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and good to see him getting a decent run, you know,
Speaker 1: because we had I think it was in the toad
Speaker 1: to England where we were like, you know, he got
Speaker 1: two or three overs and they see you off, you go,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And would you class him
Speaker 1: now as our number one?
Speaker 3: I mean I did and I definitely continue to do so, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: absolutely I do. And I yeah, I've been thinking this
Speaker 3: week and I know it probably more convenient, more obvious
Speaker 3: to do this after he took that phenomenal team wicket
Speaker 3: bag in India, But you know what would aj Sptateel
Speaker 3: have done for New Zealand if we played him in
Speaker 3: the same way as Australia have played Nathan Lyon. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just an interesting thing to think about. And every
Speaker 3: time I see him playing these Test matches and get
Speaker 3: all these wickets, I'm just thinking, shit, could he really?
Speaker 3: Could he really not have done this in New Zealand?
Speaker 3: Are we sure? And I just don't think. I'm just
Speaker 3: it just doesn't quite sort of add up for me.
Speaker 3: I had a really qulock and I know it's not
Speaker 3: quite apples with apples, but if we look at aj
Speaker 3: F Patel's Test cricket performances. Obviously they're all away from home.
Speaker 3: So he averages twenty eight point five strike rate of
Speaker 3: fifty five, and we look at Daniel Vittori's away bowling
Speaker 3: record bowling average of thirty two and a strike rate
Speaker 3: of seventy five.
Speaker 2: So you heard it here. First pulse ages is better
Speaker 2: than Daniel.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, well, you would call Dan dan Vittorian
Speaker 3: non parie.
Speaker 2: Is that the words that you use this week, and
Speaker 2: you cannot and you've just heard them.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I guess I'm kind of I'm
Speaker 3: not saying that. What I'm saying is that it's it's
Speaker 3: just interesting how players get put in these boxes and
Speaker 3: everyone's just decided, and I mean the selectors have just decided,
Speaker 3: oh nah, he can't play in those conditions. He can't
Speaker 3: do that, he can't do that. I'm just not so sure.
Speaker 3: I'm just not so sure as really the point.
Speaker 2: I'm making now, it's a very good point, and I
Speaker 2: think we've actually outthought ourselves on that too often. In
Speaker 2: the past couple of seasons. He would have been really
Speaker 2: handy on that Bay oval, the slow Bay oval, pick pitch,
Speaker 2: and also the basin Glen Phillips takes five wickets against
Speaker 2: Australia and it turned Nathan Lyon was the most dangerous
Speaker 2: bowler the season before Jack Leech got wickets, got a
Speaker 2: five for a think against New Zealand. But we are
Speaker 2: we're locked into this mod that Ages Betel is our
Speaker 2: Asia only bowler and that's all we're going to do
Speaker 2: with them. Silly silly business.
Speaker 1: So then we come in bed again. Let's look at
Speaker 1: the winners, middlers and losers. Middlers. Yeah yes, And Jack
Speaker 1: has some correspondence in regards to this, Dylan, Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean he Jack Shepard writes how good has ratch and been?
Speaker 2: And without getting ahead of ourselves, how good can he be?
Speaker 2: It feels like we're looking at a generational talent developing.
Speaker 2: I wish him a long and fruitful Test career. Rats
Speaker 2: seemed to be the only need to play one shot
Speaker 2: for half as runs, but perhaps that was a measure
Speaker 2: of how effective he was. Question to what extent was
Speaker 2: Ratchen manufacturing those half trackers from the spinners that allowed
Speaker 2: him to so if effortlessly back off and punch everything
Speaker 2: through the off side. I think Ratchen Revenger, thank you
Speaker 2: for that. Jack I think Ratchen Revenger definitely leads our
Speaker 2: list of winners with thirty nine and ninety two. And
Speaker 2: the shot he refers to is that back for punch
Speaker 2: through point and some of them weren't even all that short.
Speaker 2: What that was his method? He decided he wanted to
Speaker 2: go back, he wanted to play off the wick at
Speaker 2: and he's got such good eye, hand coordination and fast hands.
Speaker 2: He can do that, and he can make balls look
Speaker 2: short that aren't necessarily that short, whereas others have to
Speaker 2: Tom Latham has to sweep. He's not as confident of
Speaker 2: getting himself out of trouble rocking back as a left hander.
Speaker 2: Conway we probably didn't see long enough either, but Conway
Speaker 2: probably can't do it. Ratchen can do as well. So yeah,
Speaker 2: he'd be he'd be on tough with my list of winners,
Speaker 2: along with Ages Patel obviously he took eight for one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty in the match and turning a six
Speaker 2: for and Willow Rourke who also took an eight for
Speaker 2: one hundred and four and included a five for. So
Speaker 2: they had my three winners pull forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I can't argue with that. The thing about
Speaker 3: ratching as well, I do wonder, you know what's twenty
Speaker 3: three twenty four. Not many New Zealand cricketers would have
Speaker 3: played as much subcontinental cricket as ratchin Avendra. He's been
Speaker 3: playing in that neck of the woods for about a decade,
Speaker 3: given his father's connections and obsession and dedication to the game,
Speaker 3: and I reckon you can see that coming through. He
Speaker 3: just looks quite at home. He has a method and yeah,
Speaker 3: he just just you know, fantastic, busy footwork, sparkling, cover
Speaker 3: drives shit. He deserved the time. Felt sorry for him,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I agree on Dylan's Dylan's a handful of
Speaker 3: blocks that sit at the top of the pile, for sure.
Speaker 1: I have a slide issue with both of you about Rattion.
Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, I think he needs to
Speaker 1: be labeled as a winner in this Test match, but
Speaker 1: I actually have an issue with the way he plays
Speaker 1: the spinners and that second innings. The first twenty or
Speaker 1: thirty minutes, it seemed to me inevitable that he was
Speaker 1: going to get out. Inevitable. You'll recall that he played
Speaker 1: the same way against Australia when they were over here,
Speaker 1: and was relatively effective against the spinner in the first
Speaker 1: innings and then in the second innings the Australians went,
Speaker 1: we see what you're doing and shut it down. And
Speaker 1: I think he needs to expand his game a little
Speaker 1: more and not just rely on that shot shot behind
Speaker 1: point and through point because he's going to be found out.
Speaker 1: You need more avenues. But full credit to him, you know,
Speaker 1: he's he did well in this Test match, but I
Speaker 1: still think he needs to expand his game a little
Speaker 1: bit more because he was very fortunate to survive the
Speaker 1: first twenty five minutes of that second innings.
Speaker 2: Agree, disagree, partially agree. I think you've got to back
Speaker 2: your method, and he backed his method. I think most
Speaker 2: people apart from Kane Williamson struggled early on that wicket,
Speaker 2: and Kane just happens to be one of the greatest
Speaker 2: batters of the world's ever seen. Yes, so I didn't
Speaker 2: mind as long as he was showing a method, and
Speaker 2: I think he did. Oh and he was lucky, really,
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. And he was nearly out one
Speaker 2: of the more unlucky dismissals. Yes as well when he
Speaker 2: chopped onto the keeper's foot and it bounced just oh, yes,
Speaker 2: that would have been a hell of a way to
Speaker 2: go out, But no.
Speaker 3: I claimed as a claimed as a catch too.
Speaker 2: I know I thought he actually played Nathan Lion better
Speaker 2: than most of them. But I do recall the one
Speaker 2: dismissal that was pretty ugly, Yes, at Wellington.
Speaker 1: And he couldn't get it through in that second inning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he just kept on. It was like they
Speaker 2: set up the Great Wall of China and you keep
Speaker 2: on trying to knock it down and it was no good.
Speaker 1: Should we move on to the middle meddlers? For me,
Speaker 1: I'll give you mine Latham.
Speaker 2: Yes, seventy and twenty eight, probably probably almost.
Speaker 1: Almost almost a winner, yeah, Williamson yep.
Speaker 2: Fifty five and thirty, Yeah, Mitchell fifty seven and not
Speaker 2: much Yeah.
Speaker 3: Probably.
Speaker 1: That's about Phillips.
Speaker 2: Forty nine, not out to fifty two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 2: And I'm just I put with him at the moment
Speaker 2: I put Blundle, and there is a Blundle twenty five
Speaker 2: and thirty. That'd be my middlers, Paul, if you had
Speaker 2: any variation on that, I agree with that, which leaves
Speaker 2: us with three. And if you're not a middler and
Speaker 2: you're not a winner, who.
Speaker 1: We left with their Paul Ford.
Speaker 3: I think it might be the captain. Yes, the best
Speaker 3: golfer in the team. Correct, Yes, my my fetish player
Speaker 3: of Danes got days gone by? Sad times for Devin Comway.
Speaker 1: Hey, just on that, Paul. Do you want to read
Speaker 1: the correspondence there from Matt regarding our skipper?
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure I can. Hey, boys, glad you're back for
Speaker 3: the upcoming season. Last two Tests have been within touching
Speaker 3: distance for the black Caps. Is the continued selection of
Speaker 3: Saudi a significant reason for the losses? In particular this
Speaker 3: last one? Henry right now is a better option with
Speaker 3: the ball and the bat. I'm sure he could have
Speaker 3: made up sixty runs by batting with Phillips and Avenger
Speaker 3: and knocking a couple of wickets a little earlier. Is
Speaker 3: selection costing the side?
Speaker 1: Oh that's a really good question. I mean, is what's
Speaker 1: what's he bowling one twenty six one twenty seven k,
Speaker 1: which is just in the slot for batsman.
Speaker 2: I was talking actually gained a few k over in
Speaker 2: England playing in the one hundred. That's what he'd been
Speaker 2: working on, but it just didn't seem to manifest. But
Speaker 2: you're talking about form versus record and Sowdi's record and
Speaker 2: subcontinent's actually really good, like better than most international seamers
Speaker 2: that go there. In fact, there's very few that to
Speaker 2: pass him there. So I didn't mind him getting this
Speaker 2: first Test. I really didn't. I think he deserved the selection.
Speaker 2: He was skipper. They're clearly going to arrest him at
Speaker 2: some points in this Asian swing. This one wouldn't have
Speaker 2: been the one to do it. Did it hurt New Zealand?
Speaker 2: Well clearly? Did you know one for forty eight nor
Speaker 2: for thirty nine in a match double of three and
Speaker 2: two with the bat? It did hurt and there's no
Speaker 2: two ways around it. But Willie pay we'll get onto that.
Speaker 1: Yeah I can, I just say Paul very quickly. Yeah. Look,
Speaker 1: I think Saudi is a great cricketer and he's been
Speaker 1: a great cricketer for us. But if I look at
Speaker 1: it on just the most basic things, as mentioned in
Speaker 1: this correspondence, you know, who do I think is more
Speaker 1: threatening as a bowler at the moment? I go, Matt Henry?
Speaker 1: Who do I think is more effective as a batsman
Speaker 1: at the moment? Clearly Matt Henry, And just on that
Speaker 1: basis alone, I go, you bring him in you give
Speaker 1: Lathan the captain c and you bite the bullet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, look, I think that's right. You touched on
Speaker 3: it just then as well. And the third aspect, is
Speaker 3: he such a good captain that you can play him
Speaker 3: regardless of form? And I think the answer is no,
Speaker 3: Latham is on a par with him, so, you know,
Speaker 3: and I think that yes, subcontinent record, amazing record for
Speaker 3: New Zealand, all of that stuff, you know, average below thirty,
Speaker 3: all of that great stuff. But the fact of the
Speaker 3: matter is that in his last three series his bowling
Speaker 3: average in the series is eighty seven, sixty one and
Speaker 3: ninety one. Those are just the bare facts of the matter.
Speaker 3: He just doesn't seem like he's got that ability and
Speaker 3: you know, to not the top off teams in the
Speaker 3: bowling and that's what we need.
Speaker 1: And can I just make the very subtle point too
Speaker 1: in terms of Henry, You know, he was on the
Speaker 1: outer for so long and I think he's really coming
Speaker 1: into himself and he's probably in his prime right now
Speaker 1: in terms of his bowling, and I think that it
Speaker 1: needs to be a factor as well, don't you agree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's a better bowler than Tim Sallia at
Speaker 2: the moment, no question about it. I mean again, you
Speaker 2: can look back at his record and say he's had
Speaker 2: a few opportunities in Asia and hasn't covered himself in glory,
Speaker 2: But then again, it took him a while to cover
Speaker 2: himself in any sort of glory. He is a slow
Speaker 2: burner when it came to Test cricket, and it does
Speaker 2: seem strange and a very new Zealand thing to do.
Speaker 2: Is the last Test series they played, he was the
Speaker 2: pick of the bowlers right from the series, probably both teams.
Speaker 2: He was the pick of the bowlers against one of
Speaker 2: the greatest seam of takes of all time. And yet
Speaker 2: he's missed. His name's missing next time around. And unless
Speaker 2: there was another reason for that that we don't know,
Speaker 2: like tight hammy or.
Speaker 1: You don't think so, but I do.
Speaker 2: Actually I do think Tim Saldy's a better captain.
Speaker 1: So do I.
Speaker 2: Maybe I said anti cantap thing I get, but I
Speaker 2: always feel like can tabs as captains, they with a cantab,
Speaker 2: they put God up there and then right at God's
Speaker 2: right foot they have the headmaster, and I feel like
Speaker 2: it's the same with the captains as well. They just so.
Speaker 1: The struck down had to go to Wellington to to
Speaker 1: Flower as a captain, didn't he look I like sealthy
Speaker 1: as a captain, I really do. And but but I
Speaker 1: think Latham's solid. I think he's solid. Let's take a break,
Speaker 1: Fellers and when we come back, we'll have a preview
Speaker 1: of the second Test match in the same location. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to the b YC. So the second Test starts tomorrow,
Speaker 1: Paul Ford and Dylan wants to know the reasoning behind
Speaker 1: playing it at the same venue and thinks that you'll
Speaker 1: have the answer to that.
Speaker 3: I have no idea. I just it's really it's very strange,
Speaker 3: isn't it. I wonder if it was tied up with
Speaker 3: the fact that all of the players, so you know
Speaker 3: how they had the rest day, all of the players,
Speaker 3: all of the officials, all of the people in the crowd,
Speaker 3: everyone associated with that Test match that voted. You can't vote.
Speaker 3: They don't do a special voting system in Shri Laka.
Speaker 3: You have to go back to your village two hundred
Speaker 3: kilometers three hundred kilometers one hundred and fifty kilometers return
Speaker 3: trip on that day to come back to play the cricket.
Speaker 3: So I do wonder whether they've said, right, we're going
Speaker 3: to shorten the gap between the Test matches because of
Speaker 3: that rest day, and therefore you know, we're going to
Speaker 3: minimize the travel because we realize that everyone from Sri
Speaker 3: Lanka has already been home and back during the middle
Speaker 3: of the Test match. So that's my theory at least.
Speaker 2: Or they looked at how stat and realized that New
Speaker 2: Zealand were quite good in Colombo and lose every time
Speaker 2: they're playing Gold. So there you go.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe in terms of the selection for the second Test.
Speaker 1: I just want to read this actually from Who's It?
Speaker 1: From the James James is It and Dylan's latest brilliant
Speaker 1: bounce ride up on Conway's struggles. He mentions Phillips or
Speaker 1: Blundell as potential options to move up the top. But
Speaker 1: what about Ratchen, He says, opening is where he's played
Speaker 1: the bulk, if not all, of his cricket for Wellington,
Speaker 1: with Conway behind him at three or four. Rattionen's a
Speaker 1: fourth choice spinner on the line up currently, so I
Speaker 1: don't think his bowling load warrants him getting a longer rest.
Speaker 1: Seems the most logical choice as no one would really
Speaker 1: be radically out of position, and it is potentially where
Speaker 1: ratchin is best long term, was also the top when
Speaker 1: he dominated and the one days on the subcontinent last
Speaker 1: yearedial in Cleveland.
Speaker 2: I'd like Ratching to be our number four test better
Speaker 2: for the next ten years.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I'm really happy with him there and test cricket. I
Speaker 2: don't want him nicking out against the Red Bull with
Speaker 2: the regularity that he would I suspect if he was captain.
Speaker 2: But in terms of this, yeah, I think in terms
Speaker 2: of this, sorry, I'm going to treat this test as
Speaker 2: just a one off test that with no looking to
Speaker 2: the future in India for the three tests coming up
Speaker 2: next month. I just want to look at this test
Speaker 2: in isolation and I'm going radical.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, I am.
Speaker 2: I am going radical. I am picking Latham and Blundle
Speaker 2: to open. It's one test. You got a one to
Speaker 2: get back and I want a right handed pinch hitter
Speaker 2: at the top to balance Latham. The only way I
Speaker 2: think we can get to shul anchors at the top.
Speaker 2: Our tail is not going to contribute, I don't think,
Speaker 2: so we've got to do something a little bit different
Speaker 2: at the top. Ben william the three Revenger it for Mitchell.
Speaker 2: At five, I'm sticking Conway into six to split that
Speaker 2: string of right handers that we've had. Phillips at seven,
Speaker 2: I'm bringing Embracewell as your us spinning left handed kind
Speaker 2: of pinch hitter. At eight, I just think Santona played
Speaker 2: himself out of the team. Sorry Mitchell, but there's just
Speaker 2: purely performance. I'm giving the captain's arm band to Bracewell.
Speaker 2: That's a joke.
Speaker 1: Come on now, of course Nathan's.
Speaker 2: Going to captain. Sorry can Tabs. I'm bringing Henry for
Speaker 2: South Pattel and overall yep, pop.
Speaker 3: Yep. I slightly different but same, lots of the same philosophy,
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 2: So I should hasten to say they won't do that,
Speaker 2: but that's just what I'm doing.
Speaker 3: Well, and they won't do this, am I really? At
Speaker 3: the top is Phillips. Phillips is going to open at
Speaker 3: the top pincher David Warner style. Then Williamson Revenger. I'm
Speaker 3: burying Colmay in the middle order Mitchellundle, I'm bringing Bracelyn
Speaker 3: as well, Henry Ages and war at the end. So yeah, similar, similar,
Speaker 3: but slightly different, just a different roles, I guess for
Speaker 3: for for Phillips and Blundle. I just think blundle keeping
Speaker 3: is a bloody difficult task to keep in. That was
Speaker 3: my only Yeah, it's a fifty to fifty call for
Speaker 3: me to look.
Speaker 1: I hear what you fellas are saying. I'm giving Conway
Speaker 1: another chance and you know, hopefully he's one good innings
Speaker 1: away from just clicking again. But similar to both of you,
Speaker 1: I was going to have brace Well as a straight
Speaker 1: swap for Santna and Henry for Salvi and Latham to skipper.
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, we happy with that great stuff. Well
Speaker 1: that starts tomorrow, so looking forward to that. Let's go
Speaker 1: to the white ferns, shall we. Yeah, we were saying
Speaker 1: why we were saying in the last podcast has been
Speaker 1: a dreadful run and that we feared that the Australians
Speaker 1: were absolutely going to pump us. They didn't do that.
Speaker 1: They beat us three zap and can I make the
Speaker 1: point also, I think that's now ten t twenty losses
Speaker 1: in a row for the woman. But we did run
Speaker 1: them close. Yeah that wow. I mean they won in
Speaker 1: the nineteenth over, didn't they not that close?
Speaker 2: I mean the cases was the five ball margin. I
Speaker 2: think in the first game was.
Speaker 3: It last night with five nine ten balls?
Speaker 2: So they were They lost all three. There was some
Speaker 2: positive signs that Australian never got away on them. There
Speaker 2: was never a game where I thought, O, this is
Speaker 2: embarrassing and I'm afraid it's where the White fans have
Speaker 2: got you. Now that that is a plus, the fact
Speaker 2: that you were sitting there almost cringing. George Plumber got
Speaker 2: runs at the top of the order. She had a
Speaker 2: half century, probably didn't get them quick enough, but that's
Speaker 2: still positive. She's young twenty. This has to be the
Speaker 2: springboard for her now, after you know, a string of
Speaker 2: failures that an all fenness probably should have seen her
Speaker 2: out of the team. She has now proven she can
Speaker 2: do it. She needs to do that regularly. Sophie Divine
Speaker 2: didn't get a run. The big thing is still strike rates.
Speaker 2: There's just too many of the areas of the ground
Speaker 2: they had not accessing, so limited in their shot making.
Speaker 2: You go through the top water Baits is striking at
Speaker 2: one ten, Plumber at ninety seven, Kerr at one oh one,
Speaker 2: Gays at one oh seven, Holiday seventy two, and Divine
Speaker 2: didn't get enough to kind of be representative, but it
Speaker 2: was only fifty two what she did get out of there.
Speaker 2: The only one was Maddy Green at one two one
Speaker 2: where you look at it and go, yeah, that's going
Speaker 2: to post your competitive totals. So that's my summation.
Speaker 1: I mean, I listened to those strike rates and I
Speaker 1: think that's Chason Hoyt territory.
Speaker 3: Paul Ford, Yeah, he'd be proud of that. But yes,
Speaker 3: I think that's right. But yeah, pretty make it, certainly
Speaker 3: making it makes it really difficult to get one hundred
Speaker 3: and sixty striking at those sorts of numbers. And you know,
Speaker 3: when you look at what some of those Aussies are
Speaker 3: up to, you know, we're one hundred and sixty two
Speaker 3: herely one hundred and fifty Litchfield one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 3: You know, like that's a that's a step change that's
Speaker 3: required and that strike greaate easier said than done, though, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sophie Divine that's her swan song. Should it also
Speaker 1: be the swan song for the coach Ben Lawton?
Speaker 2: Ah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean but I mean, if you don't
Speaker 1: have the resources, you don't have the resources, you know.
Speaker 2: I know we talked about this but last week, but
Speaker 2: I'd say, Ben Lawton, you cell of it?
Speaker 1: Ben Lawyer. Yeah, I knew it was Lawyer because from
Speaker 1: last week's debacle, but I just wanted to amuse you.
Speaker 2: Did you know how put the Ben and big bold
Speaker 2: letters so you wouldn't make the same mistake. Look, if
Speaker 2: they have a rich at wilty Twitter, I think they'll
Speaker 2: be questions asked. But using a cricket aren't really in
Speaker 2: the business of shunting people on and paying them off.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's not great, Paul, it's not great.
Speaker 3: No, it's gad. I think there were some some more
Speaker 3: positive signs, you know, so they were great blood rations
Speaker 3: or capitulations and yeah, look but you're right to go
Speaker 3: well at the World Cup. They're going to need a
Speaker 3: couple of miracles, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Hey, we've got the Woman's Cricket World Cup theme song.
Speaker 1: Should we have a listen to that? You're gonna love
Speaker 1: it whatever it takes. Now, Yeah, this is stakes. Now,
Speaker 1: gonna aim for the stack, keep.
Speaker 2: You on the priside from a safe So we'll do
Speaker 2: it an now the same gonna gonna win.
Speaker 3: No one not given in, gonna show you how hollow hollow.
Speaker 3: So that's what. That's whatever it takes by Wish and
Speaker 3: can I just tell you what it is? It is
Speaker 3: a song that includes the video includes iconic moments from
Speaker 3: previous Women's Tea twenty World Cups with choreography by Wish,
Speaker 3: and it emphasizes the thrill and lively spirit of the tournament.
Speaker 2: I didn't mind it.
Speaker 1: I don't mind it either actually, and some of the
Speaker 1: shockers that we've had over the years. That was actually okay.
Speaker 2: It's a bit later on in the song where there's
Speaker 2: kind of this refrain that goes, do it, do it,
Speaker 2: which I'm a little bit uncomfortable with. But although the
Speaker 2: song was all right, all.
Speaker 1: Right, right now it's time for Paul Ford's news or ruse.
Speaker 3: Yeah it is.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 3: Last week the Oie Trophy was dubiously pilfered by Dylan
Speaker 3: Kleaver on a technicality to do with bat sizes. It's
Speaker 3: a cool anyway. Three bits of news. One of them
Speaker 3: contains a blatant live which one is it? England Woman's
Speaker 3: Captain hither Night has apologized after being reprimanded and given
Speaker 3: a suspended one thousand, one thousand pound fine for attending
Speaker 3: a fancy dress party in blackface in twoenty twelve. Pictures
Speaker 3: of Knight at the party and end of season event
Speaker 3: at a Kent cricket club with a sports Stars theme
Speaker 3: event emerged recently on Facebook. She was charged last month
Speaker 3: by the Cricket Regulator for bringing the game into Distribute
Speaker 3: night now thirty three but twenty one at the time
Speaker 3: the photographs were taken admitt of the charge, but was
Speaker 3: able to demonstrate that, in the words of the Interim
Speaker 3: Director of the Cricket Regulator, Dave Lewis, there was no
Speaker 3: racist intent in her conduct. Number two under Captain Harry
Speaker 3: brook in his first game in charge, England has slumped
Speaker 3: from a commanding two hundred and thirteen for two to
Speaker 3: three hundred and fifteen all out as they gave Australia's
Speaker 3: boundary riders catching practice. But more interestingly was what Brooks
Speaker 3: said after the match. He said, We're out there to
Speaker 3: score runs. If you get gought somewhere on the boundary
Speaker 3: or in the field, who cares. On another day it
Speaker 3: could go for six, so I'm not too fussed about it.
Speaker 3: Obviously it was grabbing in the pitch, but another day
Speaker 3: we hit them for six. Predictably, former players and Australians
Speaker 3: leapt on his comments, and Nathan Lyon is in Australia
Speaker 3: preparing for the upcoming Test series against Sri Lanka and
Speaker 3: was asked about Brooks comments on Saturday Night. Of course,
Speaker 3: magnificent from him. That's England at the moment, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Lyon said, it's hard to feath them. I know if
Speaker 3: I had his skill level with the bat, I'd be
Speaker 3: pretty disappointed. But then again, I'm Australian. Brutal from Nathan
Speaker 3: Lyon and number three. Afghanistan's cricketers have sailed a historic
Speaker 3: One Day International series win against South Africa with one
Speaker 3: hundred and seventeen run victory in the second match at Sharja.
Speaker 3: Playing in their first ever bilateral ODII series against South Africa,
Speaker 3: Afghanistan took an unassailable two nil lead in the second
Speaker 3: match and made history by claiming their first ever series
Speaker 3: win against a top five ranked ODI team, dominating South
Speaker 3: Africa by one hundred and seven seven runs. And of course,
Speaker 3: our favorite cricketer Severicon captain was timber Bavooma who top
Speaker 3: scored with eighty eight but oversaw a collapse of seven
Speaker 3: for thirty one.
Speaker 1: There we go okay me. First is it, I'll go three?
Speaker 1: Was in Afghanistan's first ever bilateral competition.
Speaker 2: M okay, I won't go three, then I will go
Speaker 2: for Heather Night. I'll say it was ten thousand, not
Speaker 2: one thousand. Fine, but that was ridiculous. I did read
Speaker 2: that story. She went as a sports hero. She wasn't
Speaker 2: going as a black and white minstrel show. I mean
Speaker 2: it was. You can be awfully delicate about these things.
Speaker 3: Yes, awfully awfully delicate. Yes, that is correct. And I
Speaker 3: guess the good news on this one, Jason, is that
Speaker 3: you've taken on the bacon.
Speaker 1: Thanks mate.
Speaker 2: What was the reason? Did you get the reason right?
Speaker 3: First ever bilateral ODII series against South Africa? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Boy, I don't believe that.
Speaker 1: Just hand it over Dylan. Come on, buddy, take it.
Speaker 2: I say, Dylan, I so confident. I didn't even bring
Speaker 2: the trophy in.
Speaker 1: He's not even looking at me at the moment. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sweet Hey. Speaking of Dylan, let's get into who am I?
Speaker 3: It's Dylan Cleavers.
Speaker 1: Who am I?
Speaker 2: Yes, the long awaited return of who am I? Very
Speaker 2: simple rules. You've got to guess who I am? Right
Speaker 2: into pull forward with your answer. The only clo I'm
Speaker 2: going to give you is that I have played at
Speaker 2: least one test for New Zealand. That is the only prerequisite.
Speaker 2: So who am I? By virtue of alphabetic fortune? I
Speaker 2: take up a special place in the annals of New
Speaker 2: Zealand cricket history. I was, to it, a citizen of
Speaker 2: the world, arriving in this place on this in the
Speaker 2: same city from where Osama bin Laden was taken from it.
Speaker 2: I was educated at Wellington College, but not the ron
Speaker 2: Briley version in the nation's capital, but the one in
Speaker 2: Royal Berksher, named after the Iron Duke himself, and which
Speaker 2: will set you back a cool one hundred and eight
Speaker 2: thousand dollars per year to send your child there. After
Speaker 2: settling in New Zealand, I quickly established a reputation as
Speaker 2: an all rounder. And though it pains me to this
Speaker 2: day that my everlasting legacy will probably be a king peer,
Speaker 2: I'm a big personality whose surname implies a rooster with
Speaker 2: evil intentions. New Zealand ended up being too small for me,
Speaker 2: so I went on to Sri Lanka, where I coached,
Speaker 2: and then settled for good in Perth, which is where
Speaker 2: I rest now. In eternity. Who am I any clues?
Speaker 3: Fellows, that's a great clue about the rooster. I think I've.
Speaker 1: Okay, well we'll leave it to the listeners.
Speaker 3: And I don't think it's feathered penis, but you know
Speaker 3: it's not far off that perhaps.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get into Paul Ford's cricket violence corner.
Speaker 1: Paul Forward's cricket violence corner.
Speaker 3: Leading cricket umpire Michael Goff has been banned from driving
Speaker 3: and find more than four thousand pounds after refusing to
Speaker 3: provide a breath sample to police. Officers attended his home
Speaker 3: and heartily pull on August the first, after he returned
Speaker 3: from a night out in Durham with his partner. He
Speaker 3: claims he had a vodka after arriving back at the house,
Speaker 3: but refused to provide a sample despite being asked several
Speaker 3: times the te Side Magistrates Court Hurt. The forty four
Speaker 3: year old, who played cricket for England under nineteens and
Speaker 3: Durham before retiring to pursue an umpiring career, did not
Speaker 3: believe he had to provide a specimen, but he did
Speaker 3: plead guilty and was banned from driving. Prosecuting Olivia Randall
Speaker 3: told the court Guff's Gof's partner told police they'd been
Speaker 3: drinking in the city. They returned separately. Just quite weird,
Speaker 3: with Goth seen on CCTV driving his own car while
Speaker 3: his partner caught a taxi. Goth, of tulip clothes in
Speaker 3: the Bishop Covpert area, admitted failing to provide a specimen
Speaker 3: for breath analysis, and the court heard he has a
Speaker 3: previous excess alcohol conviction from two thousand and nine. He
Speaker 3: was fined four thousand, one hundred and sixty six pounds.
Speaker 2: There you go, naughty boy, There you go, an umpires,
Speaker 2: A strange bunch.
Speaker 1: Easy, young Hi, Well listen, we've got a little bit
Speaker 1: more correspondence. But if people want to get into sending
Speaker 1: us stuff, Paul, what do they do?
Speaker 3: Flick It's an email to b YC at Base Brigade
Speaker 3: dot code dot NZ, or slide them to the DMS
Speaker 3: for the Alternative Commentary Collective or the Base Brigade on
Speaker 3: Instagram or Facebook.
Speaker 1: Great stuff, mate. We won't get into this particular one.
Speaker 1: I don't think on this podcast, but day I think
Speaker 1: we'll touch on it maybe in the next podcast. Foulers,
Speaker 1: how do we feel about that.
Speaker 2: It's very topical and it require some chat.
Speaker 1: I think, yes, yes, how.
Speaker 3: You might write a rap I might write some rap
Speaker 3: lyrics to respond to it as well, which I might
Speaker 3: try to do over the weekend.
Speaker 1: Good stuff, mate, now listen. Thanks for taking the time
Speaker 1: to listen to the b y C Podcast, Tell all
Speaker 1: your mates about it and until next week. We'll see
Speaker 1: you later.