WEBVTT - "The Recap - Black Caps Vs Sri Lanka Test 1" 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:08.160 Live from the ex Board Beargarden Studios. You're listening to 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:10.960 the b YC where we all be reflecting on the 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:14.640 black Cats first Test performance against Sri Lanka. To be fair, 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:18.919 it was a pretty solid performance given the location, past history, 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:20.840 and the fact that it was the first real run 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:24.439 of the season. There were always some key moments when 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:28.440 New Zealand had the opportunity to dictate terms, but ultimately 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:31.960 batting last and Sri Lankan conditions is always a challenge. 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:35.280 There are, however, some questions that need to be asked, 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:40.080 particularly with Conway's continued struggles and the awkward conundrum of 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:43.040 the skipper and whether the team would be better served 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:46.800 with a straight swap of Henry for Salvey. Let's dive 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.960 in and fell as we were saying before the podcast started, Dylan, 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.920 a pretty solid effort overall is a generic kind of 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:57.840 look at this Test match, and from a personal point 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:00.520 of view, better than I was into dispating. 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:05.960 Yeah, I thought losing that Test to Afghanistan, not losing 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.840 to Afghanistan, yes, but losing the entire test or weather, 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:11.760 I thought that was really put the black Caps on 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:14.320 the back foot. But they played pretty well. In fact, 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:18.040 they dominated the first half, well, not dominated, they should 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.800 have dominated the first half the Test bold very well 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:23.800 to dismiss Sri Lanka for what was it three or 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:27.280 five first innings had a real chance to post a 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:29.720 big total. And we'll get to one of the reasons 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:33.840 why they didn't. Yes, they didn't. Oh we will press 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:38.119 home that advantage. But yeah, a reasonably solid performance. Disappointing 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:43.880 fourth innings chase, but perhaps predictable in those conditions. But yeah, 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:46.600 bloody good Test match and a great time. So yeah, 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:49.080 how good lie on the couch dinner. 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:52.040 I tell you what, Yes, well, I tell you what. 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:55.280 For me, I'm doing a radio show at that time, 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.480 but I've got it on in the background there. You know, 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.320 we had some pretty appalling shows during that period, as 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:05.120 my colleagues accuse me of not paying attention to the 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:08.000 show while the cricket was on. Just to start off, 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:12.359 pull Ford, your thoughts pretty solid from you. 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:16.360 As well, Yeah, yeah, look I agree, and I think yeah, 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:18.920 at the end of the game, it was like, oh bugger, 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:21.200 you know, played pretty well, felt like a game that 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:25.280 maybe got away and you know, not a bad effort. 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.320 After one hundred and ninety days away from the game. 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.520 And Sri Lanka a decent side. You know, they didn't 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.519 do any grass transplants, they didn't use any four fans 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:35.680 and four plugs to keep the ground in decent condition. 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.760 And I was, I really, I know we talked about 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:41.480 it last week, but I was surprised when we hit 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:43.800 the rest day on Saturday night and I said it 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.520 into just before the Blederslow, and of course it wasn't on, 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:51.639 and switched over to CNN and watched them live Shrilankan 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:54.600 election in the lead up to the Blislow, which was interesting. 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:59.959 Congratulations to Hareni Amasaria for winning the SriLankan Prime Minister. 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:03.160 Funnily enough, Paul I did the same thing actually on Saturday. 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:07.600 But there you go. David writes, hello all, I'll try 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.200 to keep this brief, as I know you don't want 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.720 need war and peace level emails. Following the black Caps 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.040 recent test last I wanted to say how impressed I 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.119 was that the black Caps took the game as deep 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.519 as they did and didn't just roll over. Sri Lanka 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:25.840 were excellent at times against a frankly complacent and hubristic 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:29.680 England in their recent test series. Joe Root comparing the 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:33.639 England team to coldplay while not really acknowledging the talent 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:37.320 Sri Lanka possesses, oh dear, coupled with the washout and 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:41.040 therefore a severe lack of appropriate match practice, New Zealand 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:43.920 were one good innings in support of ratching away from 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:47.640 snatching victory and gall Yes, there are issues at the 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:49.880 top of the order and a lack of bowling depth. 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:53.120 This makes our performance even better in my book, and 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.280 while the challenges will increase, I remember some of our 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:59.520 failures and the fourth innings in particular only too well, 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:03.440 which leads me to enjoy us actually being competitive on 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:06.920 the subcontinent. I might change my view during the Test 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:10.400 series against India, however, keep up the great work, Dave. 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:14.240 Yeah, fair play to them. I think we did take 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:17.040 the game to them. I thought our batting plans were 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:22.480 very positive and unexpected. You could argue maybe a couple 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:24.560 of them took them too far, but I like the 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:26.760 fact that they were reversing against the big turning ball 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:30.839 and using conventional sweep as well, because that's obviously the 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:36.320 easiest way to get out and smother spin. But yeah, 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:40.359 just I mean they were very good and yet didn't 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:43.960 win and lost, So that's I guess concerning and a 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:44.800 lot of respects too. 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:47.359 The other thing to bear in mind, and I just 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.280 had a quick look Sri Lanka at home and Test 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:53.320 cricket are actually quite shit. You know. They've only beaten 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:55.120 in the last few years. And I didn't go sort 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.000 of empirical on this, but the last few years they've 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:03.360 beate in Afghanistan, Ireland, in Bengal, Dish, they've lost to Pakistan, Australia, 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:08.240 England twice, US and India. So it's hard to know. 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.320 I mean, I thought Ika an interesting team. I've obviously 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:14.720 got some good players, but I feel like they are 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.440 there for the taking and we just didn't quite get 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:17.960 around to it. 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:20.240 Good one, Paul, thanks for raining on our parade. 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:20.520 Mate. 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:22.479 We were just saying what a solid performance it was, 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.440 and then you go and bring that sort of shit. 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.080 Out with some few facts. 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:31.919 But interestingly enough, first and foremost, let's acknowledge it a 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:36.320 significant moment. We lost the toss, the significant and tri 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:39.840 luncan conditions. Let's be honest. I was really surprised because 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:43.279 we just discussed it in the last podcast. Will O'Rourke 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.000 over Henry. We were all convinced it was going to 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:51.200 be Henry and my, oh my, uh, that young feller 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:52.880 Dylan continues to impress. 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:57.320 I like the cut of his jeb Yeah, terriffic five 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:01.920 point fifty five in the first egg with pace really 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:05.200 really late induck in that first spell in particular, and 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:09.480 kind of showed up the skipper's limitations at the other 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.159 end as well, who was bowling a more gentle kind 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:17.800 of outswing. But yeah, I mean, well, o' rock, he's 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.920 got a big future ahead of him if he can 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:21.400 say fit. 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.520 You know, there were echoes for me, Paul and watching 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:27.359 Willow Rourke and I don't know if you agree with 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.000 us of Jamison and what I mean by that. He's 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:33.440 a big, tall, burly guy. He tends to bowl back 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:37.480 of a length, gets the batsman playing on the back 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.640 foot a lot, and then he's able to chuck in 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.760 that full bunger and that's a really effective method. 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:46.680 Look, yeah, I think it's a really it's a really 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.200 fair comparison. Definitely gets the batsmen hopping around. You can 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.400 tell that they're trying to protect their fingers on the 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:53.719 bat handle. All those sorts of things. They're really not 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:57.240 enjoying quite a slippery bouncer that more often than not 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:01.200 was pretty well directed. So yeah, absolutely, I mean, I 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:04.080 you know, you talk about injury with will o'rourkean none 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:07.440 other than Sir Richard Headley this week also said keep it, 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:09.240 keep your hands off them. From a T twenty and 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:13.520 IPL perspective, I just obviously I agree, but it just 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.240 doesn't feel realistic that this kid is not going to 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:21.480 get some pretty decent offers over the next few years. Yeah. 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:23.160 I mean, it's just that just the reality of the 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.360 way cricket works, right, you know, there's not enough Test 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.480 cricket for a guy that come to just play test 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:28.360 cricket for New Zealand. 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:35.280 Yeah, that's the other factor. It's a conundrum. And Sri 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:38.080 Lanka capitulating in the lower order. In fact, that was 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:41.360 a theme throughout the Test match, actually that all the 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:46.960 lower orders just added no value whatsoever. And then New 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:50.440 Zealand comes into bat. Let's let's focus on that. They 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:55.120 would have been relatively happy to have restricted Sri Lanka 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.600 to that score, Dylan, or do you think it was 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:59.920 a few more than they would have liked? 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:02.560 I thought with the damage will ow' rourke did, it 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:04.080 was a few more than they would have liked. You 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.800 would have expected our spinners to really capitalize on that 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.160 early work of O'Rourke. And I thought that the spinners 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:13.080 took a wee while to acclimate. Is that a work? Yes, 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:16.920 it is acclimate to conditions. In a way. It's similar 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:20.240 to batters, right, you grow up playing on wickets like 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.680 the Bay over the basin Hagley. You get used to 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:26.600 playing a certain way. We shouldn't expect spinners just to 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.480 be able to go over and bowl on turning pictures 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.640 and be immediately brilliant just because they turn. You have 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:36.280 to bowld different trajectories, different speeds. And I thought that 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.640 first trelancabatty innings, I thought they were quite poor for 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:43.400 too long at doing that, and once Ahs got used 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:46.079 to it, he was obviously highly effective. So I did 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:49.040 think they got a little too many runs actually, And 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:52.720 as for those tails folding in every innings, I don't 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:56.080 think we can appreciate just how difficult it is to 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:59.480 play on raging turners if you do not have a 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:01.040 rock solid technique. 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:06.000 Sure. I would suggest though that in that first couple 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:10.920 of days it wasn't a raging turner got it got 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:14.559 as as you would expect in Sri Lankan conditions later on, 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.200 and that's why I think the toss was really significant 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:21.439 and I think it's understandable too, just as you've stated 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:23.760 that our spinners took a while to kind of find 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:28.120 the arrange. So we get them out, we bat, we 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:33.520 get ourselves. Well let's start with Conway. You know, he's 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:37.320 obviously had a big break. There were some people beating 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.160 the drums and going what's happened? What's happened to? Conway 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:45.520 didn't really answer his critics pulled forward in this Test match. 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:51.440 Well, no twenty one runs, was it? I think? 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:51.960 Yes? 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.440 Just looking the seventeen and four twenty one off sixty 0:09:55.520 --> 0:10:00.840 six balls, Yeah, look he looks atsy. I think Dylan 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.439 talked about in the bounce and being closed off and 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:07.360 not seeing the straight balls till very late. Yeah. Look, 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:11.480 he looks really troubled at the moment, doesn't he. It's 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.640 sad to watch. Actually, it looks really painful. And when 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:18.000 you look at his career betting record in Test cricket, 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:22.560 obviously starts with a absolute monstrous skytower at one end, 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:24.959 but it's turned into a bit of a slum village 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.000 over recent testings for sure. 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.480 Yeah, you know. And there's one thing that it was 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.120 prevalent in his game, I thought, right from the very beginning, 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:36.040 which is his propensity to get his bad away from 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:38.040 his pad. He used to get a lot of inside 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:40.680 edges onto his pad, onto the stumps. That was his 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:44.280 dismissal and the second innings from recollection. But we'll touch 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:47.600 on that a little bit further down. But New Zealand 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:54.000 pull Dylan got themselves into a strong position where we 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.679 were potentially going to post a big lead on them, 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:58.520 and I remember talking in the studio and going, here 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.120 we go, Fellows, this is the key to it, and 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:05.400 then an absolute bloody disaster, a brain explosion. The runout 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:08.240 of Mitchell to me was another who was you know? 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:12.360 Was he on fifty odd by that point fifty seven? Yeah, 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.199 and looking solid, And I thought, yeah, here we go 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:17.400 if we can get one hundred, one hundred and fifty 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:21.320 lead here, which is probably overplaying it, but we're in 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:21.960 the box seat. 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:25.439 Two critical turning points in this match, both batting two 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:27.640 hundred and ninety one for five in the first innings 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:33.400 and poised to put on a big lead. Yes, Glenn 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:37.760 Phillips unnecessarily takes a run. There probably was one there actually, 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:41.360 but it just wasn't. As I think I was mentioned 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.120 to you before the podcast. At that point in time, 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.600 it's Sri Lanka's job to unsettle the batters, yes, not 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.120 New Zealand's job to unsettle the bowlers, because they'd kind 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:52.840 of done that, and I just thought it was a 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.880 bit wishful thinking. Having said that, Mitchell was very slow 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.600 on the uptake and looked like he was sitting on 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.000 his back and or it. But that runout was critical. 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:04.839 Two hundred ninety one for five became three hundred and 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:08.080 four for nine. Yes, that's how Then at the end 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:13.280 that's as particularly disastrous it was for New Zealand. And yeah, 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:17.760 the second second major turning point would have been blunder 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:22.200 or reverse sweeping. Once Prova Jayasuria came over the wicket 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:24.360 to him, he had sort of won the battle as 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.480 well there and the second endings at one hundred and 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:30.400 fifty two for four things looking promising. I thought that 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:32.079 was the other turning point, But I don't think you 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:35.400 can look past the runout as probably the single moment 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:40.000 and the test where a position of strength was thrown away. 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.120 Yeah, what was particularly poor when you look at the 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:46.800 final margin, you know what I mean, you go, oh, geez, 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.080 just another one hundred runs more when we were in 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.240 that position at five down and we just didn't nail it. 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:57.599 Well, that's right, and even you know, I just psychologically 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.360 a lead of one hundred, which obviously would have been enough. 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.120 That's kind of ridiculous backwards engineering, but just a psychology 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:06.840 that I think could have been extremely helpful. Yeah, as 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.160 you say, twenty four runs behind that when that runout happened, 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.160 jas Area I think was in his thirty sixth or 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:16.000 thirty seventh over, So it doesn't look like he gets 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.839 very tired, very easily, but certainly into the grind and 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.720 just just a calamity. The first time Daryn Whtch's ever 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:25.400 been run out in a Test match. Oh interestingly enough. Yeah, 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:27.520 the other turning point that I thought you were going 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:31.240 to cite Dylan but you didn't was also for me. 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:35.559 Was also involved Glenn Phillips, and I feel like I 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:37.400 feel like he was doing that thing in the field 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:40.400 that you do when you in you're kind of oh know, 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:42.920 when you're sort of hype your add and you're kind 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.840 of like I'm going to preemptively sprint off in the 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:47.400 direction that I think the ball's going to go, and 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:49.800 then the ball goes exactly where you should be fielding. 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.679 And it was a bit sort of show body. I felt, Oh, 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.440 I feel sad saying that. But this was the drop 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:57.839 catch off Sat and a commindu menace was twenty one 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:02.920 not out that was punished with an extra ninety three runs. Yeah, 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:07.120 a full teapot from Metchell Center. He was really pissed off. 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.720 Just on that. Dylan and I were talking about Phillips 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:16.080 before this podcast, Paul Forward and saying that he is 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.320 a bit of a show pony and he's a little 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:24.680 bit about himself when he's batting. There's just something about 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:27.640 him that I've you know, I think he brings some 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.560 real skills to the game, but there's also attributes that 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:32.840 I feel less comfortable with. 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.320 Yeah, there's the expector which can actually go both ways. Yes, 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:38.680 and at times I think when he's at the crease 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:43.040 it's too much about him. An example I always cite, 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.040 I think, is when Retch and Ravenel was hunting down 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:49.960 a double ton last summer and Phillips came out to 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:54.760 bat and almost immediately started hogging the strike, going through 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.360 these quick singles with a guy that's better for hours 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:02.920 and hours, and it just felt like he doesn't necessarily 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.240 as an EQ. I don't know if he has a 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:10.160 batting EQ, but he's but the positive is far away 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.360 the negatives with Phillips. He's a spark plug. As we 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:15.119 mentioned all the time, he's an X factor. He's becoming 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.480 more than a useful part time off here. He probably 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:21.880 turns it more than any other spinner we've got. But 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.640 sometimes I just think he needs to slow down a 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.560 little bit. Maybe that's the wrong advice to give someone like. 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:30.960 That, take a deep breath, but just you take a deep. 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:34.000 Breath and appreciate the situation you're in. I don't think 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:35.880 he did that with the runout, even if you do 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.400 want to blame Mitchell for being lazy between the wickets. 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.240 Very similar for Sri Lanka and the second innings there 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:48.600 pull forward a collapse of the lower order and they 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:50.640 too were in a position where they could, you know, 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.360 look like they were going to get quite a substantial lead. 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.240 Really encouraging to see Patel, you know, come into form. 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:02.760 What did he end up with six foot Yeah, yes, yeah, 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.080 and good to see him getting a decent run, you know, 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:07.640 because we had I think it was in the toad 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:09.800 to England where we were like, you know, he got 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.080 two or three overs and they see you off, you go, 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:17.240 you know what I mean? And would you class him 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:18.360 now as our number one? 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:24.840 I mean I did and I definitely continue to do so, Yes, yeah, 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:29.160 absolutely I do. And I yeah, I've been thinking this 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:32.120 week and I know it probably more convenient, more obvious 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.640 to do this after he took that phenomenal team wicket 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.920 bag in India, But you know what would aj Sptateel 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:39.760 have done for New Zealand if we played him in 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:43.480 the same way as Australia have played Nathan Lyon. Yeah, 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.120 it's just an interesting thing to think about. And every 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:48.320 time I see him playing these Test matches and get 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.320 all these wickets, I'm just thinking, shit, could he really? 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:54.600 Could he really not have done this in New Zealand? 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:56.920 Are we sure? And I just don't think. I'm just 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:58.960 it just doesn't quite sort of add up for me. 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.080 I had a really qulock and I know it's not 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:04.320 quite apples with apples, but if we look at aj 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:08.200 F Patel's Test cricket performances. Obviously they're all away from home. 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:12.760 So he averages twenty eight point five strike rate of 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:17.280 fifty five, and we look at Daniel Vittori's away bowling 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:20.560 record bowling average of thirty two and a strike rate 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:21.840 of seventy five. 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.680 So you heard it here. First pulse ages is better 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:26.200 than Daniel. 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.640 I'm just saying, well, you would call Dan dan Vittorian 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:30.320 non parie. 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:31.760 Is that the words that you use this week, and 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:35.320 you cannot and you've just heard them. 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.639 I know, I know, I guess I'm kind of I'm 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:43.120 not saying that. What I'm saying is that it's it's 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:46.600 just interesting how players get put in these boxes and 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.399 everyone's just decided, and I mean the selectors have just decided, 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.359 oh nah, he can't play in those conditions. He can't 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:54.359 do that, he can't do that. I'm just not so sure. 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.359 I'm just not so sure as really the point. 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:57.639 I'm making now, it's a very good point, and I 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.679 think we've actually outthought ourselves on that too often. In 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:03.040 the past couple of seasons. He would have been really 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:07.160 handy on that Bay oval, the slow Bay oval, pick pitch, 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:11.679 and also the basin Glen Phillips takes five wickets against 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.520 Australia and it turned Nathan Lyon was the most dangerous 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:18.720 bowler the season before Jack Leech got wickets, got a 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:21.040 five for a think against New Zealand. But we are 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.400 we're locked into this mod that Ages Betel is our 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:26.800 Asia only bowler and that's all we're going to do 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:28.800 with them. Silly silly business. 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.479 So then we come in bed again. Let's look at 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:41.320 the winners, middlers and losers. Middlers. Yeah yes, And Jack 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:46.960 has some correspondence in regards to this, Dylan, Yeah, yeah, I. 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:50.120 Mean he Jack Shepard writes how good has ratch and been? 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.119 And without getting ahead of ourselves, how good can he be? 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.240 It feels like we're looking at a generational talent developing. 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:59.400 I wish him a long and fruitful Test career. Rats 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.480 seemed to be the only need to play one shot 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:04.520 for half as runs, but perhaps that was a measure 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:08.280 of how effective he was. Question to what extent was 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:11.560 Ratchen manufacturing those half trackers from the spinners that allowed 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:15.359 him to so if effortlessly back off and punch everything 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:18.199 through the off side. I think Ratchen Revenger, thank you 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:20.840 for that. Jack I think Ratchen Revenger definitely leads our 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.960 list of winners with thirty nine and ninety two. And 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:26.120 the shot he refers to is that back for punch 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:28.919 through point and some of them weren't even all that short. 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:32.639 What that was his method? He decided he wanted to 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:34.120 go back, he wanted to play off the wick at 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:38.880 and he's got such good eye, hand coordination and fast hands. 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:41.480 He can do that, and he can make balls look 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:46.200 short that aren't necessarily that short, whereas others have to 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:49.639 Tom Latham has to sweep. He's not as confident of 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:52.840 getting himself out of trouble rocking back as a left hander. 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:57.480 Conway we probably didn't see long enough either, but Conway 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:01.200 probably can't do it. Ratchen can do as well. So yeah, 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.600 he'd be he'd be on tough with my list of winners, 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.800 along with Ages Patel obviously he took eight for one 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:08.640 hundred and fifty in the match and turning a six 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:11.240 for and Willow Rourke who also took an eight for 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:14.040 one hundred and four and included a five for. So 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:16.280 they had my three winners pull forward. 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:19.720 Yeah, look, I can't argue with that. The thing about 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:23.919 ratching as well, I do wonder, you know what's twenty 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:28.359 three twenty four. Not many New Zealand cricketers would have 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:32.320 played as much subcontinental cricket as ratchin Avendra. He's been 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:35.880 playing in that neck of the woods for about a decade, 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:40.200 given his father's connections and obsession and dedication to the game, 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:43.080 and I reckon you can see that coming through. He 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:46.880 just looks quite at home. He has a method and yeah, 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:51.400 he just just you know, fantastic, busy footwork, sparkling, cover 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:54.320 drives shit. He deserved the time. Felt sorry for him, 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:58.840 but yeah, I agree on Dylan's Dylan's a handful of 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:01.320 blocks that sit at the top of the pile, for sure. 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:06.480 I have a slide issue with both of you about Rattion. 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:09.320 And don't get me wrong, I think he needs to 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:12.520 be labeled as a winner in this Test match, but 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:15.320 I actually have an issue with the way he plays 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:20.879 the spinners and that second innings. The first twenty or 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:25.159 thirty minutes, it seemed to me inevitable that he was 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:30.320 going to get out. Inevitable. You'll recall that he played 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:33.800 the same way against Australia when they were over here, 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:37.080 and was relatively effective against the spinner in the first 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:40.040 innings and then in the second innings the Australians went, 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:43.960 we see what you're doing and shut it down. And 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.480 I think he needs to expand his game a little 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:50.560 more and not just rely on that shot shot behind 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:54.160 point and through point because he's going to be found out. 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:58.760 You need more avenues. But full credit to him, you know, 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:01.720 he's he did well in this Test match, but I 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:04.119