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Speaker 1: the b YC where we all be reflecting on the

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Speaker 1: black Cats first Test performance against Sri Lanka. To be fair,

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Speaker 1: it was a pretty solid performance given the location, past history,

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Speaker 1: and the fact that it was the first real run

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Speaker 1: of the season. There were always some key moments when

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Speaker 1: New Zealand had the opportunity to dictate terms, but ultimately

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Speaker 1: batting last and Sri Lankan conditions is always a challenge.

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Speaker 1: There are, however, some questions that need to be asked,

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Speaker 1: particularly with Conway's continued struggles and the awkward conundrum of

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Speaker 1: the skipper and whether the team would be better served

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Speaker 1: with a straight swap of Henry for Salvey. Let's dive

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Speaker 1: in and fell as we were saying before the podcast started, Dylan,

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Speaker 1: a pretty solid effort overall is a generic kind of

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Speaker 1: look at this Test match, and from a personal point

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Speaker 1: of view, better than I was into dispating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought losing that Test to Afghanistan, not losing

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Speaker 2: to Afghanistan, yes, but losing the entire test or weather,

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Speaker 2: I thought that was really put the black Caps on

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Speaker 2: the back foot. But they played pretty well. In fact,

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Speaker 2: they dominated the first half, well, not dominated, they should

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Speaker 2: have dominated the first half the Test bold very well

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Speaker 2: to dismiss Sri Lanka for what was it three or

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Speaker 2: five first innings had a real chance to post a

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Speaker 2: big total. And we'll get to one of the reasons

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Speaker 2: why they didn't. Yes, they didn't. Oh we will press

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Speaker 2: home that advantage. But yeah, a reasonably solid performance. Disappointing

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Speaker 2: bloody good Test match and a great time. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: how good lie on the couch dinner.

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Speaker 1: I tell you what, Yes, well, I tell you what.

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Speaker 1: For me, I'm doing a radio show at that time,

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Speaker 1: but I've got it on in the background there. You know,

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Speaker 1: we had some pretty appalling shows during that period, as

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Speaker 1: my colleagues accuse me of not paying attention to the

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Speaker 1: show while the cricket was on. Just to start off,

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Speaker 1: pull Ford, your thoughts pretty solid from you.

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Speaker 3: As well, Yeah, yeah, look I agree, and I think yeah,

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Speaker 3: at the end of the game, it was like, oh bugger,

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Speaker 3: you know, played pretty well, felt like a game that

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Speaker 3: maybe got away and you know, not a bad effort.

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Speaker 3: After one hundred and ninety days away from the game.

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Speaker 3: And Sri Lanka a decent side. You know, they didn't

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Speaker 3: do any grass transplants, they didn't use any four fans

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Speaker 3: And I was, I really, I know we talked about

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Speaker 3: the rest day on Saturday night and I said it

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Speaker 3: and switched over to CNN and watched them live Shrilankan

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Speaker 3: election in the lead up to the Blislow, which was interesting.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations to Hareni Amasaria for winning the SriLankan Prime Minister.

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Speaker 1: Funnily enough, Paul I did the same thing actually on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: But there you go. David writes, hello all, I'll try

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Speaker 1: to keep this brief, as I know you don't want

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Speaker 1: need war and peace level emails. Following the black Caps

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Speaker 1: was that the black Caps took the game as deep

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Speaker 1: were excellent at times against a frankly complacent and hubristic

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Speaker 1: England team to coldplay while not really acknowledging the talent

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Speaker 1: Sri Lanka possesses, oh dear, coupled with the washout and

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Speaker 1: therefore a severe lack of appropriate match practice, New Zealand

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Speaker 1: were one good innings in support of ratching away from

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Speaker 1: This makes our performance even better in my book, and

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Speaker 1: while the challenges will increase, I remember some of our

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Speaker 1: which leads me to enjoy us actually being competitive on

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Speaker 1: the subcontinent. I might change my view during the Test

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Speaker 1: series against India, however, keep up the great work, Dave.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair play to them. I think we did take

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Speaker 3: The other thing to bear in mind, and I just

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Speaker 3: I mean, I thought Ika an interesting team. I've obviously

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Speaker 1: Good one, Paul, thanks for raining on our parade.

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Speaker 3: Mate.

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Speaker 1: We were just saying what a solid performance it was,

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Speaker 3: Out with some few facts.

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Speaker 1: But interestingly enough, first and foremost, let's acknowledge it a

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Speaker 1: significant moment. We lost the toss, the significant and tri

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Speaker 1: luncan conditions. Let's be honest. I was really surprised because

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Speaker 1: we just discussed it in the last podcast. Will O'Rourke

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Speaker 1: Dylan continues to impress.

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Speaker 2: I like the cut of his jeb Yeah, terriffic five

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Speaker 1: You know, there were echoes for me, Paul and watching

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Speaker 3: Look, yeah, I think it's a really it's a really

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the other factor. It's a conundrum. And Sri

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Speaker 1: Lanka capitulating in the lower order. In fact, that was

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Speaker 2: as for those tails folding in every innings, I don't

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Speaker 1: Sure. I would suggest though that in that first couple

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Speaker 3: Well, no twenty one runs, was it? I think?

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Speaker 2: Two critical turning points in this match, both batting two

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Speaker 2: Phillips unnecessarily takes a run. There probably was one there actually,

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Speaker 2: but it just wasn't. As I think I was mentioned

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Speaker 1: That's about Phillips.

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Speaker 2: Forty nine, not out to fifty two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, fair enough.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just I put with him at the moment

435
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Speaker 2: I put Blundle, and there is a Blundle twenty five

436
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Speaker 2: and thirty. That'd be my middlers, Paul, if you had

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Speaker 2: any variation on that, I agree with that, which leaves

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Speaker 2: us with three. And if you're not a middler and

439
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Speaker 2: you're not a winner, who.

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Speaker 1: We left with their Paul Ford.

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Speaker 3: I think it might be the captain. Yes, the best

442
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Speaker 3: golfer in the team. Correct, Yes, my my fetish player

443
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Speaker 3: of Danes got days gone by? Sad times for Devin Comway.

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Speaker 1: Hey, just on that, Paul. Do you want to read

445
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Speaker 1: the correspondence there from Matt regarding our skipper?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure I can. Hey, boys, glad you're back for

447
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Speaker 3: the upcoming season. Last two Tests have been within touching

448
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Speaker 3: distance for the black Caps. Is the continued selection of

449
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Speaker 3: Saudi a significant reason for the losses? In particular this

450
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Speaker 3: last one? Henry right now is a better option with

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Speaker 3: the ball and the bat. I'm sure he could have

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Speaker 3: made up sixty runs by batting with Phillips and Avenger

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Speaker 3: and knocking a couple of wickets a little earlier. Is

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Speaker 3: selection costing the side?

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Speaker 1: Oh that's a really good question. I mean, is what's

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Speaker 1: what's he bowling one twenty six one twenty seven k,

457
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Speaker 1: which is just in the slot for batsman.

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Speaker 2: I was talking actually gained a few k over in

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Speaker 2: England playing in the one hundred. That's what he'd been

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Speaker 2: working on, but it just didn't seem to manifest. But

461
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Speaker 2: you're talking about form versus record and Sowdi's record and

462
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Speaker 2: subcontinent's actually really good, like better than most international seamers

463
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Speaker 2: that go there. In fact, there's very few that to

464
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Speaker 2: pass him there. So I didn't mind him getting this

465
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Speaker 2: first Test. I really didn't. I think he deserved the selection.

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Speaker 2: He was skipper. They're clearly going to arrest him at

467
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Speaker 2: some points in this Asian swing. This one wouldn't have

468
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Speaker 2: been the one to do it. Did it hurt New Zealand?

469
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Speaker 2: Well clearly? Did you know one for forty eight nor

470
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Speaker 2: for thirty nine in a match double of three and

471
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Speaker 2: two with the bat? It did hurt and there's no

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Speaker 2: two ways around it. But Willie pay we'll get onto that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I can, I just say Paul very quickly. Yeah. Look,

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Speaker 1: I think Saudi is a great cricketer and he's been

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Speaker 1: a great cricketer for us. But if I look at

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Speaker 1: it on just the most basic things, as mentioned in

477
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Speaker 1: this correspondence, you know, who do I think is more

478
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Speaker 1: threatening as a bowler at the moment? I go, Matt Henry?

479
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Speaker 1: Who do I think is more effective as a batsman

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Speaker 1: at the moment? Clearly Matt Henry, And just on that

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Speaker 1: basis alone, I go, you bring him in you give

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Speaker 1: Lathan the captain c and you bite the bullet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, look, I think that's right. You touched on

484
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Speaker 3: it just then as well. And the third aspect, is

485
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Speaker 3: he such a good captain that you can play him

486
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Speaker 3: regardless of form? And I think the answer is no,

487
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Speaker 3: Latham is on a par with him, so, you know,

488
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Speaker 3: and I think that yes, subcontinent record, amazing record for

489
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Speaker 3: New Zealand, all of that stuff, you know, average below thirty,

490
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Speaker 3: all of that great stuff. But the fact of the

491
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Speaker 3: matter is that in his last three series his bowling

492
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Speaker 3: average in the series is eighty seven, sixty one and

493
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Speaker 3: ninety one. Those are just the bare facts of the matter.

494
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Speaker 3: He just doesn't seem like he's got that ability and

495
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Speaker 3: you know, to not the top off teams in the

496
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Speaker 3: bowling and that's what we need.

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Speaker 1: And can I just make the very subtle point too

498
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Speaker 1: in terms of Henry, You know, he was on the

499
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Speaker 1: outer for so long and I think he's really coming

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Speaker 1: into himself and he's probably in his prime right now

501
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Speaker 1: in terms of his bowling, and I think that it

502
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Speaker 1: needs to be a factor as well, don't you agree.

503
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's a better bowler than Tim Sallia at

504
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Speaker 2: the moment, no question about it. I mean again, you

505
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Speaker 2: can look back at his record and say he's had

506
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Speaker 2: a few opportunities in Asia and hasn't covered himself in glory,

507
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Speaker 2: But then again, it took him a while to cover

508
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Speaker 2: himself in any sort of glory. He is a slow

509
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Speaker 2: burner when it came to Test cricket, and it does

510
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Speaker 2: seem strange and a very new Zealand thing to do.

511
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Speaker 2: Is the last Test series they played, he was the

512
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Speaker 2: pick of the bowlers right from the series, probably both teams.

513
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Speaker 2: He was the pick of the bowlers against one of

514
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Speaker 2: the greatest seam of takes of all time. And yet

515
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Speaker 2: he's missed. His name's missing next time around. And unless

516
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Speaker 2: there was another reason for that that we don't know,

517
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Speaker 2: like tight hammy or.

518
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Speaker 1: You don't think so, but I do.

519
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Speaker 2: Actually I do think Tim Saldy's a better captain.

520
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Speaker 1: So do I.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I said anti cantap thing I get, but I

522
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Speaker 2: always feel like can tabs as captains, they with a cantab,

523
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Speaker 2: they put God up there and then right at God's

524
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Speaker 2: right foot they have the headmaster, and I feel like

525
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Speaker 2: it's the same with the captains as well. They just so.

526
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Speaker 1: The struck down had to go to Wellington to to

527
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Speaker 1: Flower as a captain, didn't he look I like sealthy

528
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Speaker 1: as a captain, I really do. And but but I

529
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Speaker 1: think Latham's solid. I think he's solid. Let's take a break,

530
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Speaker 1: Fellers and when we come back, we'll have a preview

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Speaker 1: of the second Test match in the same location. Welcome

532
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Speaker 1: back to the b YC. So the second Test starts tomorrow,

533
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Speaker 1: Paul Ford and Dylan wants to know the reasoning behind

534
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Speaker 1: playing it at the same venue and thinks that you'll

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Speaker 1: have the answer to that.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea. I just it's really it's very strange,

537
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Speaker 3: isn't it. I wonder if it was tied up with

538
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Speaker 3: the fact that all of the players, so you know

539
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Speaker 3: how they had the rest day, all of the players,

540
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Speaker 3: all of the officials, all of the people in the crowd,

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Speaker 3: everyone associated with that Test match that voted. You can't vote.

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Speaker 3: They don't do a special voting system in Shri Laka.

543
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Speaker 3: You have to go back to your village two hundred

544
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Speaker 3: kilometers three hundred kilometers one hundred and fifty kilometers return

545
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Speaker 3: trip on that day to come back to play the cricket.

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Speaker 3: So I do wonder whether they've said, right, we're going

547
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Speaker 3: to shorten the gap between the Test matches because of

548
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Speaker 3: that rest day, and therefore you know, we're going to

549
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Speaker 3: minimize the travel because we realize that everyone from Sri

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Speaker 3: Lanka has already been home and back during the middle

551
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Speaker 3: of the Test match. So that's my theory at least.

552
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Speaker 2: Or they looked at how stat and realized that New

553
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: Zealand were quite good in Colombo and lose every time

554
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Speaker 2: they're playing Gold. So there you go.

555
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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe in terms of the selection for the second Test.

556
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Speaker 1: I just want to read this actually from Who's It?

557
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Speaker 1: From the James James is It and Dylan's latest brilliant

558
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Speaker 1: bounce ride up on Conway's struggles. He mentions Phillips or

559
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Speaker 1: Blundell as potential options to move up the top. But

560
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Speaker 1: what about Ratchen, He says, opening is where he's played

561
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Speaker 1: the bulk, if not all, of his cricket for Wellington,

562
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Speaker 1: with Conway behind him at three or four. Rattionen's a

563
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Speaker 1: fourth choice spinner on the line up currently, so I

564
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Speaker 1: don't think his bowling load warrants him getting a longer rest.

565
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Speaker 1: Seems the most logical choice as no one would really

566
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Speaker 1: be radically out of position, and it is potentially where

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Speaker 1: ratchin is best long term, was also the top when

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Speaker 1: he dominated and the one days on the subcontinent last

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Speaker 1: yearedial in Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: I'd like Ratching to be our number four test better

571
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Speaker 2: for the next ten years.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I'm really happy with him there and test cricket. I

574
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Speaker 2: don't want him nicking out against the Red Bull with

575
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Speaker 2: the regularity that he would I suspect if he was captain.

576
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Speaker 2: But in terms of this, yeah, I think in terms

577
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Speaker 2: of this, sorry, I'm going to treat this test as

578
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Speaker 2: just a one off test that with no looking to

579
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Speaker 2: the future in India for the three tests coming up

580
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Speaker 2: next month. I just want to look at this test

581
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Speaker 2: in isolation and I'm going radical.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, I am.

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Speaker 2: I am going radical. I am picking Latham and Blundle

584
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Speaker 2: to open. It's one test. You got a one to

585
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Speaker 2: get back and I want a right handed pinch hitter

586
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Speaker 2: at the top to balance Latham. The only way I

587
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: think we can get to shul anchors at the top.

588
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: Our tail is not going to contribute, I don't think,

589
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Speaker 2: so we've got to do something a little bit different

590
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Speaker 2: at the top. Ben william the three Revenger it for Mitchell.

591
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Speaker 2: At five, I'm sticking Conway into six to split that

592
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Speaker 2: string of right handers that we've had. Phillips at seven,

593
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Speaker 2: I'm bringing Embracewell as your us spinning left handed kind

594
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Speaker 2: of pinch hitter. At eight, I just think Santona played

595
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Speaker 2: himself out of the team. Sorry Mitchell, but there's just

596
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Speaker 2: purely performance. I'm giving the captain's arm band to Bracewell.

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Speaker 2: That's a joke.

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Speaker 1: Come on now, of course Nathan's.

599
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Speaker 2: Going to captain. Sorry can Tabs. I'm bringing Henry for

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Speaker 2: South Pattel and overall yep, pop.

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Speaker 3: Yep. I slightly different but same, lots of the same philosophy,

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Speaker 3: I guess.

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Speaker 2: So I should hasten to say they won't do that,

604
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Speaker 2: but that's just what I'm doing.

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Speaker 3: Well, and they won't do this, am I really? At

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Speaker 3: the top is Phillips. Phillips is going to open at

607
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Speaker 3: the top pincher David Warner style. Then Williamson Revenger. I'm

608
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Speaker 3: burying Colmay in the middle order Mitchellundle, I'm bringing Bracelyn

609
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Speaker 3: as well, Henry Ages and war at the end. So yeah, similar, similar,

610
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Speaker 3: but slightly different, just a different roles, I guess for

611
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Speaker 3: for for Phillips and Blundle. I just think blundle keeping

612
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Speaker 3: is a bloody difficult task to keep in. That was

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Speaker 3: my only Yeah, it's a fifty to fifty call for

614
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Speaker 3: me to look.

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Speaker 1: I hear what you fellas are saying. I'm giving Conway

616
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Speaker 1: another chance and you know, hopefully he's one good innings

617
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Speaker 1: away from just clicking again. But similar to both of you,

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Speaker 1: I was going to have brace Well as a straight

619
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Speaker 1: swap for Santna and Henry for Salvi and Latham to skipper.

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Speaker 1: All right, yeah, we happy with that great stuff. Well

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Speaker 1: that starts tomorrow, so looking forward to that. Let's go

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Speaker 1: to the white ferns, shall we. Yeah, we were saying

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Speaker 1: why we were saying in the last podcast has been

624
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Speaker 1: a dreadful run and that we feared that the Australians

625
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Speaker 1: were absolutely going to pump us. They didn't do that.

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Speaker 1: They beat us three zap and can I make the

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Speaker 1: point also, I think that's now ten t twenty losses

628
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Speaker 1: in a row for the woman. But we did run

629
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Speaker 1: them close. Yeah that wow. I mean they won in

630
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Speaker 1: the nineteenth over, didn't they not that close?

631
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Speaker 2: I mean the cases was the five ball margin. I

632
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Speaker 2: think in the first game was.

633
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Speaker 3: It last night with five nine ten balls?

634
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Speaker 2: So they were They lost all three. There was some

635
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Speaker 2: positive signs that Australian never got away on them. There

636
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: was never a game where I thought, O, this is

637
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Speaker 2: embarrassing and I'm afraid it's where the White fans have

638
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 2: got you. Now that that is a plus, the fact

639
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: that you were sitting there almost cringing. George Plumber got

640
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Speaker 2: runs at the top of the order. She had a

641
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Speaker 2: half century, probably didn't get them quick enough, but that's

642
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 2: still positive. She's young twenty. This has to be the

643
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Speaker 2: springboard for her now, after you know, a string of

644
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Speaker 2: failures that an all fenness probably should have seen her

645
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Speaker 2: out of the team. She has now proven she can

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Speaker 2: do it. She needs to do that regularly. Sophie Divine

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Speaker 2: didn't get a run. The big thing is still strike rates.

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Speaker 2: There's just too many of the areas of the ground

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Speaker 2: they had not accessing, so limited in their shot making.

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Speaker 2: You go through the top water Baits is striking at

651
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Speaker 2: one ten, Plumber at ninety seven, Kerr at one oh one,

652
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Speaker 2: Gays at one oh seven, Holiday seventy two, and Divine

653
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Speaker 2: didn't get enough to kind of be representative, but it

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Speaker 2: was only fifty two what she did get out of there.

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Speaker 2: The only one was Maddy Green at one two one

656
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Speaker 2: where you look at it and go, yeah, that's going

657
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Speaker 2: to post your competitive totals. So that's my summation.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I listened to those strike rates and I

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Speaker 1: think that's Chason Hoyt territory.

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Speaker 3: Paul Ford, Yeah, he'd be proud of that. But yes,

661
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Speaker 3: I think that's right. But yeah, pretty make it, certainly

662
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Speaker 3: making it makes it really difficult to get one hundred

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Speaker 3: and sixty striking at those sorts of numbers. And you know,

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Speaker 3: when you look at what some of those Aussies are

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Speaker 3: up to, you know, we're one hundred and sixty two

666
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Speaker 3: herely one hundred and fifty Litchfield one hundred and fifty.

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Speaker 3: You know, like that's a that's a step change that's

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Speaker 3: required and that strike greaate easier said than done, though, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Sophie Divine that's her swan song. Should it also

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Speaker 1: be the swan song for the coach Ben Lawton?

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Speaker 2: Ah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean but I mean, if you don't

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Speaker 1: have the resources, you don't have the resources, you know.

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Speaker 2: I know we talked about this but last week, but

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Speaker 2: I'd say, Ben Lawton, you cell of it?

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Speaker 1: Ben Lawyer. Yeah, I knew it was Lawyer because from

677
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Speaker 1: last week's debacle, but I just wanted to amuse you.

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Speaker 2: Did you know how put the Ben and big bold

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Speaker 2: letters so you wouldn't make the same mistake. Look, if

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Speaker 2: they have a rich at wilty Twitter, I think they'll

681
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Speaker 2: be questions asked. But using a cricket aren't really in

682
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Speaker 2: the business of shunting people on and paying them off.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's not great, Paul, it's not great.

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Speaker 3: No, it's gad. I think there were some some more

685
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Speaker 3: positive signs, you know, so they were great blood rations

686
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Speaker 3: or capitulations and yeah, look but you're right to go

687
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 3: well at the World Cup. They're going to need a

688
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Speaker 3: couple of miracles, that's for sure.

689
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Speaker 1: Hey, we've got the Woman's Cricket World Cup theme song.

690
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Speaker 1: Should we have a listen to that? You're gonna love

691
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Speaker 1: it whatever it takes. Now, Yeah, this is stakes. Now,

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Speaker 1: gonna aim for the stack, keep.

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Speaker 2: You on the priside from a safe So we'll do

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Speaker 2: it an now the same gonna gonna win.

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Speaker 3: No one not given in, gonna show you how hollow hollow.

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Speaker 3: So that's what. That's whatever it takes by Wish and

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Speaker 3: can I just tell you what it is? It is

698
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Speaker 3: a song that includes the video includes iconic moments from

699
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Speaker 3: previous Women's Tea twenty World Cups with choreography by Wish,

700
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Speaker 3: and it emphasizes the thrill and lively spirit of the tournament.

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Speaker 2: I didn't mind it.

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Speaker 1: I don't mind it either actually, and some of the

703
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Speaker 1: shockers that we've had over the years. That was actually okay.

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Speaker 2: It's a bit later on in the song where there's

705
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Speaker 2: kind of this refrain that goes, do it, do it,

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Speaker 2: which I'm a little bit uncomfortable with. But although the

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00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 2: song was all right, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, right now it's time for Paul Ford's news or ruse.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it is.

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00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: Of course.

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00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: Last week the Oie Trophy was dubiously pilfered by Dylan

712
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 3: Kleaver on a technicality to do with bat sizes. It's

713
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: a cool anyway. Three bits of news. One of them

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Speaker 3: contains a blatant live which one is it? England Woman's

715
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 3: Captain hither Night has apologized after being reprimanded and given

716
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Speaker 3: a suspended one thousand, one thousand pound fine for attending

717
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 3: a fancy dress party in blackface in twoenty twelve. Pictures

718
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 3: of Knight at the party and end of season event

719
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Speaker 3: at a Kent cricket club with a sports Stars theme

720
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Speaker 3: event emerged recently on Facebook. She was charged last month

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Speaker 3: by the Cricket Regulator for bringing the game into Distribute

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Speaker 3: night now thirty three but twenty one at the time

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Speaker 3: the photographs were taken admitt of the charge, but was

724
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Speaker 3: able to demonstrate that, in the words of the Interim

725
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Speaker 3: Director of the Cricket Regulator, Dave Lewis, there was no

726
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Speaker 3: racist intent in her conduct. Number two under Captain Harry

727
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Speaker 3: brook in his first game in charge, England has slumped

728
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Speaker 3: from a commanding two hundred and thirteen for two to

729
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Speaker 3: three hundred and fifteen all out as they gave Australia's

730
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Speaker 3: boundary riders catching practice. But more interestingly was what Brooks

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Speaker 3: said after the match. He said, We're out there to

732
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Speaker 3: score runs. If you get gought somewhere on the boundary

733
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Speaker 3: or in the field, who cares. On another day it

734
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Speaker 3: could go for six, so I'm not too fussed about it.

735
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Speaker 3: Obviously it was grabbing in the pitch, but another day

736
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Speaker 3: we hit them for six. Predictably, former players and Australians

737
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 3: leapt on his comments, and Nathan Lyon is in Australia

738
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Speaker 3: preparing for the upcoming Test series against Sri Lanka and

739
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Speaker 3: was asked about Brooks comments on Saturday Night. Of course,

740
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Speaker 3: magnificent from him. That's England at the moment, isn't it.

741
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Speaker 3: Lyon said, it's hard to feath them. I know if

742
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Speaker 3: I had his skill level with the bat, I'd be

743
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 3: pretty disappointed. But then again, I'm Australian. Brutal from Nathan

744
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Speaker 3: Lyon and number three. Afghanistan's cricketers have sailed a historic

745
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Speaker 3: One Day International series win against South Africa with one

746
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Speaker 3: hundred and seventeen run victory in the second match at Sharja.

747
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Speaker 3: Playing in their first ever bilateral ODII series against South Africa,

748
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Speaker 3: Afghanistan took an unassailable two nil lead in the second

749
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Speaker 3: match and made history by claiming their first ever series

750
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Speaker 3: win against a top five ranked ODI team, dominating South

751
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Speaker 3: Africa by one hundred and seven seven runs. And of course,

752
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Speaker 3: our favorite cricketer Severicon captain was timber Bavooma who top

753
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 3: scored with eighty eight but oversaw a collapse of seven

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Speaker 3: for thirty one.

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Speaker 1: There we go okay me. First is it, I'll go three?

756
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Speaker 1: Was in Afghanistan's first ever bilateral competition.

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Speaker 2: M okay, I won't go three, then I will go

758
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Speaker 2: for Heather Night. I'll say it was ten thousand, not

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Speaker 2: one thousand. Fine, but that was ridiculous. I did read

760
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Speaker 2: that story. She went as a sports hero. She wasn't

761
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Speaker 2: going as a black and white minstrel show. I mean

762
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Speaker 2: it was. You can be awfully delicate about these things.

763
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Speaker 3: Yes, awfully awfully delicate. Yes, that is correct. And I

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Speaker 3: guess the good news on this one, Jason, is that

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Speaker 3: you've taken on the bacon.

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Speaker 1: Thanks mate.

767
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Speaker 2: What was the reason? Did you get the reason right?

768
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Speaker 3: First ever bilateral ODII series against South Africa? Yeah?

769
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Speaker 2: Boy, I don't believe that.

770
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Speaker 1: Just hand it over Dylan. Come on, buddy, take it.

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00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: I say, Dylan, I so confident. I didn't even bring

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Speaker 2: the trophy in.

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Speaker 1: He's not even looking at me at the moment. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Sweet Hey. Speaking of Dylan, let's get into who am I?

775
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: It's Dylan Cleavers.

776
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: Who am I?

777
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: Yes, the long awaited return of who am I? Very

778
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: simple rules. You've got to guess who I am? Right

779
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: into pull forward with your answer. The only clo I'm

780
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 2: going to give you is that I have played at

781
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: least one test for New Zealand. That is the only prerequisite.

782
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: So who am I? By virtue of alphabetic fortune? I

783
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: take up a special place in the annals of New

784
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 2: Zealand cricket history. I was, to it, a citizen of

785
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: the world, arriving in this place on this in the

786
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: same city from where Osama bin Laden was taken from it.

787
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: I was educated at Wellington College, but not the ron

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Speaker 2: Briley version in the nation's capital, but the one in

789
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Speaker 2: Royal Berksher, named after the Iron Duke himself, and which

790
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: will set you back a cool one hundred and eight

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars per year to send your child there. After

792
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: settling in New Zealand, I quickly established a reputation as

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00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: an all rounder. And though it pains me to this

794
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: day that my everlasting legacy will probably be a king peer,

795
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: I'm a big personality whose surname implies a rooster with

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00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: evil intentions. New Zealand ended up being too small for me,

797
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: so I went on to Sri Lanka, where I coached,

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00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: and then settled for good in Perth, which is where

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Speaker 2: I rest now. In eternity. Who am I any clues?

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00:43:53,840 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: Fellows, that's a great clue about the rooster. I think I've.

801
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Speaker 1: Okay, well we'll leave it to the listeners.

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00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 3: And I don't think it's feathered penis, but you know

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Speaker 3: it's not far off that perhaps.

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00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 1: All right, let's get into Paul Ford's cricket violence corner.

805
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: Paul Forward's cricket violence corner.

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Speaker 3: Leading cricket umpire Michael Goff has been banned from driving

807
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 3: and find more than four thousand pounds after refusing to

808
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 3: provide a breath sample to police. Officers attended his home

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00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 3: and heartily pull on August the first, after he returned

810
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 3: from a night out in Durham with his partner. He

811
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 3: claims he had a vodka after arriving back at the house,

812
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 3: but refused to provide a sample despite being asked several

813
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 3: times the te Side Magistrates Court Hurt. The forty four

814
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: year old, who played cricket for England under nineteens and

815
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Speaker 3: Durham before retiring to pursue an umpiring career, did not

816
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 3: believe he had to provide a specimen, but he did

817
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: plead guilty and was banned from driving. Prosecuting Olivia Randall

818
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 3: told the court Guff's Gof's partner told police they'd been

819
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,959
Speaker 3: drinking in the city. They returned separately. Just quite weird,

820
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Speaker 3: with Goth seen on CCTV driving his own car while

821
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Speaker 3: his partner caught a taxi. Goth, of tulip clothes in

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Speaker 3: the Bishop Covpert area, admitted failing to provide a specimen

823
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Speaker 3: for breath analysis, and the court heard he has a

824
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 3: previous excess alcohol conviction from two thousand and nine. He

825
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: was fined four thousand, one hundred and sixty six pounds.

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Speaker 2: There you go, naughty boy, There you go, an umpires,

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Speaker 2: A strange bunch.

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Speaker 1: Easy, young Hi, Well listen, we've got a little bit

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Speaker 1: more correspondence. But if people want to get into sending

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Speaker 1: us stuff, Paul, what do they do?

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Speaker 3: Flick It's an email to b YC at Base Brigade

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Speaker 3: dot code dot NZ, or slide them to the DMS

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Speaker 3: for the Alternative Commentary Collective or the Base Brigade on

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Speaker 3: Instagram or Facebook.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff, mate. We won't get into this particular one.

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Speaker 1: I don't think on this podcast, but day I think

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Speaker 1: we'll touch on it maybe in the next podcast. Foulers,

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00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: how do we feel about that.

839
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: It's very topical and it require some chat.

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00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 1: I think, yes, yes, how.

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Speaker 3: You might write a rap I might write some rap

842
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 3: lyrics to respond to it as well, which I might

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00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 3: try to do over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff, mate, now listen. Thanks for taking the time

845
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: to listen to the b y C Podcast, Tell all

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00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 1: your mates about it and until next week. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you later.