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Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed Be

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Speaker 2: Now this is going to be a good hour, as

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Speaker 2: it was last time he was on the show. Mark

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Speaker 2: Vitti is a world renowned animal behaviorist, dog trainer, and

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Speaker 2: educator who has been working with animals for over forty years.

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Speaker 2: He's a trained animal psychologist and created the Dogs In

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Speaker 2: online training program. He's about to launch Cats In and

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Speaker 2: joins us once again on the program. Mark, very good

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Speaker 2: afternoon to you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Matt and Tyler, how are you very good?

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Speaker 2: How's the Cats In coming along? I know that that's

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Speaker 2: been a work in progress for some time.

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Speaker 4: Just finished it up last week. Hands in all done,

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Speaker 4: very happy. That's in the Gentle Cat Teachers. You had

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Speaker 4: a raisor cat that doesn't happen, So.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 5: Okay, And when when's that out? If Tyler didn't say,

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Speaker 5: did you say Noptember? September?

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Speaker 3: September is the date apparently, so stopping looking.

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Speaker 5: Forward to that else, stocking stuff for that one.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely fantastic, right, Mark. So, as we mentioned numerous times,

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Speaker 2: it was you were so popular last time that we

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Speaker 2: had to extend it out a bit. And already the

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Speaker 2: phone lines have lit up in the texts have come in,

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Speaker 2: so we'll get into it straight away. If that's okay with.

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Speaker 3: You, excellent, It's all good. I'll do it.

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Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 2: to call.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, have you got a problem with your dog or

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Speaker 5: cat or whatever pet and its behavior?

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Speaker 6: Give us a ring.

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Speaker 5: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, Alan, welcome the show.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, Mark, Hey, we've got an answer. She's about

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Speaker 7: five at the moment. She's five. She just won't stop

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Speaker 7: running away. Like We literally have to lock every window,

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Speaker 7: every door if we go out, and if we don't,

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Speaker 7: she will find a way out. She squeezed through a window.

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Speaker 7: That's you know how. It's got the latchures on so

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Speaker 7: you can't push it out too far. She squeezed through that.

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Speaker 7: If we leave her out backyard, she will dig her

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Speaker 7: way out. We run her daily. We take her on

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Speaker 7: sniff walk to try and stimulate her. She's my wife

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Speaker 7: is working from home, so she's got company there. My

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Speaker 7: wife goes out, she will try and get out. We

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Speaker 7: just don't blem and know what to do, and we

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Speaker 7: we live in an area in South auklandre there's a

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Speaker 7: lot of straight dogs around, but we see them walking

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Speaker 7: around and they end up going home usually, but our

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Speaker 7: dog will go and not come back at all.

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Speaker 4: So I does she suffer separation distress? Does she get

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Speaker 4: anxious and whine and howl and get distressed when when

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Speaker 3: Is that the problem?

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Speaker 7: Not at all? Not at all, And she doesn't know

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Speaker 7: it from home either, So we and when we got

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Speaker 7: her as a pub she was what fourteen weeks, so

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Speaker 7: I mean not too young.

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Speaker 4: No, no, it's nice, nice to get them in eight weeks.

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Speaker 4: But that's all right. So I mean there's no trouble

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Speaker 4: obviously very attached. But yeah, I mean, basically, it'll come

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Speaker 4: down to environmental management with a situation. If it's not

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Speaker 4: separation distress, which is the common cause of that, you know,

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Speaker 4: when they try and escape when you head out, then

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Speaker 4: it's environmental management. And the good thing about environmental management

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Speaker 4: you can normally set it up so it's safe. But

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Speaker 4: you're right, if she's literally squeezing through and breaking through things,

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Speaker 4: it does make it difficult. There are things called a

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Speaker 4: sonic boundary, which can teach them to stay within a boundary.

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Speaker 4: And so that's kind of a tool that you can

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Speaker 4: those situations, and that might be where you need to

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Speaker 4: go to keep her in and it certainly it works,

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Speaker 4: but it's he's got to decide whether that's the way

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Speaker 4: you want to go. It's called a sonic boundary, and

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Speaker 4: there's a number of different companies that make them.

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Speaker 3: So have a go at that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, chance that I appreciate that. We'll give there

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Speaker 7: to go. So you reckon. There's nothing mentally or anything

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Speaker 3: She's not suffering separation distress.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she's just an escape artist. I mean she's obviously

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Speaker 3: So sonic boundary might be the story for you.

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Speaker 2: All the best. Thanks very much for giving us a

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Speaker 2: buzz and having a chet to mark. So just on

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Speaker 2: those sonic boundaries, how does that work? I take it

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Speaker 2: it's the collar based system and they get away vibration

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Speaker 3: Is that helps? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it gives you learn.

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Speaker 4: They learn by setting up a boundary and as they approach,

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Speaker 4: the boundary gives a warning tone about a met her

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Speaker 4: hear that. And then you can set the boundary up

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Speaker 6: Yeah, great, I've got I've got a question for you

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Speaker 6: jumping there. We've got four lines. But I'm going to

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Speaker 5: The advantage I have and controlling the mic. When my

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Speaker 6: How much anguish does he.

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Speaker 5: Go through in the time that we're away? Is it

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Speaker 5: Is it the whole time he's feeling that that way

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Speaker 5: he's looking at you when you leave, or or does

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, there's there's two aspects that I mean, basically,

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Speaker 4: dogs do we now know, feel emotions just like we do,

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Speaker 4: of course dogs are highly social and get highly attached

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Speaker 3: The more over.

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Speaker 4: Attached the dog gets, the more it's prone to separation

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Speaker 4: Then you know that they're suffering real anxiety in those situations.

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Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what, there's.

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Speaker 4: One really cool tool that helps both you and the

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Speaker 4: called a pet Cube, and there's fur Cam. There's a

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Speaker 6: What's that what's that product called. What's it called?

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Speaker 3: It's called pet cube? Is one of them? Ce pet cube?

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Speaker 6: I might check that out.

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Speaker 5: My son had this horrific idea that he that he

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Speaker 5: we're going to the beach without it, because he doesn't

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Speaker 5: the things we do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, but you'll be surprised. He doesn't know where

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Speaker 2: Then he knows smart creatures. We're joined by Mark Vidia,

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Speaker 2: world renowned and animal behaviorists, taking your calls and questions

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Speaker 2: on our one hundred and eighty ten eighty Catherine, how

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Speaker 5: I'm good?

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Speaker 8: Thank you?

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Speaker 1: How are you good?

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Speaker 2: Mark is standing by you.

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Speaker 3: Go for it than so.

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Speaker 8: Much shy Mark.

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Speaker 7: Hey, We've got a gorgeous.

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Speaker 8: Hue rescue puppy. He's about four and a half months

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Speaker 8: and it's like Hunt left him for a year and

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Speaker 8: But I've literally been gone for thirty seconds. Is there

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Speaker 8: anything I can do to help.

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Speaker 3: Him with their Yeah, definitely, definitely. So you heard me.

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Speaker 4: Might have hit me just on the previous calls that

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Speaker 4: and it's very natural for dogs, and particularly so with

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Speaker 4: bit of you know, extra attachment happens when the dogs

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Speaker 4: had a tough start. That's not unusual. Now by what

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Speaker 8: We've had him for seven weeks.

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Speaker 4: Now, yeah, okay, yeah, so he was Yeah, so it's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so look slightly late, you know, because the formative

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Speaker 4: that's good. But separation distress is an over attachment issue.

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Speaker 4: And you can always jump on that. I've got a

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Speaker 4: Yeh could could make a difference because the estern hormone

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Speaker 4: you know, that obviously peaks when they're going through stress.

442
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Speaker 4: When they go through heat, is also increases aggressiveness often

443
00:21:04,133 --> 00:21:07,773
Speaker 4: so often, and that's the the contributing factors, only one

444
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Speaker 4: of them. So de sexing her should you know, decrease

445
00:21:12,053 --> 00:21:16,213
Speaker 4: that that behavior that influence, so that that's one benefit.

446
00:21:16,413 --> 00:21:18,253
Speaker 4: The other thing I'd be doing is I'd be doing

447
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Speaker 4: some direct socialization work identify the ones she's having problems with,

448
00:21:24,453 --> 00:21:29,293
Speaker 4: and it's typically females versus females. Females fight females, Males

449
00:21:29,733 --> 00:21:34,813
Speaker 4: fight males in the dog worlders of generalization and male's

450
00:21:35,133 --> 00:21:40,853
Speaker 4: count out and females so like so that, but basically

451
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Speaker 4: you know that the females are going to fight if

452
00:21:44,413 --> 00:21:46,773
Speaker 4: they're going to fight. Now, what I'd normally work with

453
00:21:46,973 --> 00:21:49,973
Speaker 4: is teachers using a clicker training technique or a click

454
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Speaker 4: and reward them for contact immediately around each other. So

455
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Speaker 4: I really get them to like being around each other

456
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Speaker 4: by rewarding them for doing that, and so regularly.

457
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Speaker 7: Sorry, generally speaking, they are they're actually really good friends

458
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Speaker 7: and will curl up with each other.

459
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Speaker 3: Contact, Lucy, So, what context is the aggression of going in?

460
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Speaker 7: She over barks and over dominates the other girls in

461
00:22:19,093 --> 00:22:21,813
Speaker 7: the house as your cats and the dog, and she's

462
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Speaker 7: out in public, she's become a bit more aggressive towards

463
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Speaker 7: bigger dogs.

464
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So on the if you jump, if you want

465
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Speaker 4: to jump on the school and look at what it

466
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Speaker 4: called the meet and Greek technique, which is a training

467
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Speaker 4: technique particularly for meeting other dogs. But it applies to

468
00:22:39,053 --> 00:22:41,493
Speaker 4: your dogs as well, particularly when you come home all

469
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Speaker 4: those high arousal situations, which is probably when this is happening.

470
00:22:45,253 --> 00:22:47,693
Speaker 4: Doesn't sound like she's flying and then trying to attack them,

471
00:22:48,333 --> 00:22:51,213
Speaker 4: So that's good news. But really we wanted just to

472
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Speaker 4: curtail that behavior. As I said, the the sexing may help.

473
00:22:55,173 --> 00:22:58,053
Speaker 4: And secondly i'd be doing that meet and greet technique.

474
00:22:58,173 --> 00:23:00,493
Speaker 4: And if you jump online, have a look at that

475
00:23:00,773 --> 00:23:03,413
Speaker 4: shows you how to do that with her and other dogs,

476
00:23:03,453 --> 00:23:04,613
Speaker 4: and her and your dogs.

477
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Speaker 3: But that's the technique that'll change it. All the very

478
00:23:07,893 --> 00:23:08,292
Speaker 3: reck at that.

479
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all the very best there. And it sounds like

480
00:23:10,733 --> 00:23:13,133
Speaker 2: you've got quite the doctor. Do a little situation going on.

481
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Speaker 5: Eleven cat eleven, son ate, minipincer GC three, TOYKVITLE four

482
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Speaker 5: and now kitten you've got You've got a lot on there.

483
00:23:24,933 --> 00:23:26,893
Speaker 5: A bunch of texts coming through as well. His phone calls,

484
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Speaker 5: this is an interesting one for a little gross. How

485
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Speaker 5: do I stop my border collie eating his own leavings?

486
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Speaker 5: And is that bad for him?

487
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

488
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Speaker 4: So it's called coprophasia, and and it's a it's not

489
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Speaker 4: an uncommon baby, it's not a common baby. But of

490
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Speaker 4: course for dogs it's not as gross as it is

491
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Speaker 4: for humans. Dogs eat feces. In fact, they used to

492
00:23:52,373 --> 00:23:54,733
Speaker 4: eat our feces. That's how they co involved with us.

493
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Speaker 4: And because you know, we leave a whole lot of

494
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Speaker 4: stuff and our digestives, you know, and our and our feces.

495
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Speaker 3: That's quite good to eat if you've got a fisher

496
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Speaker 3: like them.

497
00:24:05,213 --> 00:24:09,373
Speaker 4: But but anyway, the bottom line is it's not desirable behavior.

498
00:24:09,773 --> 00:24:14,653
Speaker 4: It can be induced by dietary deficiencies, but normally it's

499
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Speaker 4: something that develops when they're a pup and they're in

500
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Speaker 4: a feces strewn kind of environment and they learn to

501
00:24:20,973 --> 00:24:24,133
Speaker 4: eat the feces in that context. So normally what we

502
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Speaker 4: do is it might sound a bit, it gets a

503
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Speaker 4: placid gloves out. We bade up the feces with something

504
00:24:29,013 --> 00:24:33,773
Speaker 4: foul tasting but non toxic, and and we've start with

505
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Speaker 4: a taste of version.

506
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Speaker 5: Is there something fouler than dog feces out there?

507
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Speaker 3: There is the dogs?

508
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Speaker 4: So you know, caye ande peppers and you go through

509
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Speaker 4: you make sure you check that it's not a toxic substance.

510
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Speaker 4: Put it in a piece of meat, watch them spit

511
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Speaker 4: it out. If that works, then that's the one to

512
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Speaker 4: start with, and that's the first technique. We use as

513
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Speaker 4: other techniques, but that's that that's the common first one,

514
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Speaker 4: and we also look at balancing that dietary deficiencies that

515
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Speaker 4: could be part of the cause.

516
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Speaker 6: Very cool, thanks for sure.

517
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Speaker 5: It doesn't make for nice breath, does it when they

518
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Speaker 5: start doing that.

519
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Speaker 2: You don't want to be licked by a dog that

520
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Speaker 2: does that. Joined by Mark Vitti, a world renowned animal behaviorist.

521
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522
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Speaker 2: our eight hundred and eighty teen eighty. If you've got

523
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Speaker 2: a few issues with your pet, shall we say he

524
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Speaker 2: is the man that you should be chatting to.

525
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Speaker 5: He's also very popular by the amount of texts in

526
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Speaker 5: the avalanche of phone calls we're getting coming through non stop.

527
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Speaker 2: But if you can't get through, keep trying and if

528
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Speaker 2: you want to send a text question, you more than welcome.

529
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Speaker 2: Nine to nine to two, Pam. You've got a issue

530
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Speaker 2: with your golden retriever.

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Speaker 11: Yes, it's a family one, and he keeps taking different

532
00:25:42,333 --> 00:25:46,573
Speaker 11: items like tee taels, clothes, keys, footwear, hides them and

533
00:25:46,653 --> 00:25:49,213
Speaker 11: they haven't been able to find them. They've got a

534
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Speaker 11: really large section, but there's hunters and hunters, and we

535
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Speaker 11: don't know where he's burying them. He goes to doggy

536
00:25:57,653 --> 00:26:02,013
Speaker 11: day care once a week and other than that, he's

537
00:26:02,053 --> 00:26:05,373
Speaker 11: a great dog. But he's just he's just getting a pain,

538
00:26:06,573 --> 00:26:08,213
Speaker 11: just can't find these things.

539
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Speaker 4: Well, he's a Golden retriever. Of course, I've got one

540
00:26:12,253 --> 00:26:14,813
Speaker 4: of those, so I know what it's like. And he

541
00:26:14,893 --> 00:26:17,213
Speaker 4: loves to have something in his mouth, doesn't he. And

542
00:26:18,293 --> 00:26:21,933
Speaker 4: he's a typical golden retriever. And of course, and that

543
00:26:22,013 --> 00:26:24,973
Speaker 4: means they wander off with them and certainly they can

544
00:26:25,053 --> 00:26:26,093
Speaker 4: end up in the wrong place.

545
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Speaker 3: There's there's a.

546
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Speaker 4: Technique that I that I teach in the school called

547
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Speaker 4: discrimination training. And if you jump on and have a

548
00:26:35,053 --> 00:26:37,813
Speaker 4: look at that video, that teaches you how to teach

549
00:26:37,853 --> 00:26:40,613
Speaker 4: him to discriminate about what he's allowed to take and

550
00:26:40,613 --> 00:26:41,773
Speaker 4: what he's not allowed to take.

551
00:26:42,213 --> 00:26:44,573
Speaker 3: And discrimination training is the technique.

552
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Speaker 4: It's a clicker training technique, and I use the long

553
00:26:46,853 --> 00:26:49,693
Speaker 4: line in the check lead, and so we're teaching him

554
00:26:50,053 --> 00:26:53,453
Speaker 4: how to discriminate and what to discriminate. So he has

555
00:26:53,493 --> 00:26:55,853
Speaker 4: all his things he's allowed and we make sure he's

556
00:26:55,893 --> 00:26:58,293
Speaker 4: got plenty of those and we teach him that he's

557
00:26:58,333 --> 00:27:00,493
Speaker 4: allowed those things, and then we teach him that he's

558
00:27:00,533 --> 00:27:02,613
Speaker 4: not allowed the other things. Jump on the video, have

559
00:27:02,653 --> 00:27:04,053
Speaker 4: a look and see how I do it, and teach

560
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Speaker 4: you how to do it. And as I said, the dogs,

561
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Speaker 4: how old is he now?

562
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Speaker 11: Or probably six? I would say.

563
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Speaker 4: Six, yeah, so yeah, I mean he's still middle aid,

564
00:27:14,293 --> 00:27:17,093
Speaker 4: so still able to learn. And you know, opten to

565
00:27:17,093 --> 00:27:19,293
Speaker 4: get a dog. By the time they are nine or ten,

566
00:27:19,373 --> 00:27:22,613
Speaker 4: it gets pretty hard work trying to get them to.

567
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Speaker 3: Rewire the behaviors.

568
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Speaker 4: But of course this is a natural behavior for a

569
00:27:26,613 --> 00:27:29,133
Speaker 4: golden retriever to retrieve and to take it around and

570
00:27:29,173 --> 00:27:31,453
Speaker 4: take it places. So the only way to teach him

571
00:27:31,453 --> 00:27:33,813
Speaker 4: to stop doing it is to teach him to discriminate

572
00:27:33,853 --> 00:27:36,093
Speaker 4: what he's allowed to touch and what he's not allowed.

573
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Speaker 3: So jump on it. Dogs in fifty.

574
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Speaker 4: If you put that and you're going to discount for

575
00:27:40,493 --> 00:27:42,533
Speaker 4: the first month, you'll only need it for a month

576
00:27:42,613 --> 00:27:45,893
Speaker 4: and then'll get the things sorted and you'll have a

577
00:27:45,933 --> 00:27:47,573
Speaker 4: dog that doesn't steal all your good stuff.

578
00:27:48,453 --> 00:27:48,853
Speaker 3: Good luck.

579
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Speaker 6: I hope that helps.

580
00:27:50,693 --> 00:27:53,453
Speaker 5: Pam Holly, you've got an anxious dog.

581
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Speaker 12: Lick yes, a high mass and child and thanks for

582
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Speaker 12: taking my call.

583
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Speaker 11: Mark.

584
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Speaker 12: We've got a fucky Chiwava bearded collige cross. We've got

585
00:28:04,733 --> 00:28:07,733
Speaker 12: eight weeks old, and she's been reflect really well, socialized,

586
00:28:07,733 --> 00:28:12,173
Speaker 12: score pick up coffee shops, whited ten dog packwalks. We've

587
00:28:12,173 --> 00:28:14,773
Speaker 12: conditioned her to be home a line for short periods

588
00:28:15,053 --> 00:28:17,893
Speaker 12: and hunts and hunt the tree and don't make a

589
00:28:17,933 --> 00:28:20,173
Speaker 12: fuss when we come home. She just we just blamed

590
00:28:20,213 --> 00:28:23,493
Speaker 12: on and she's been really good here. And it seems

591
00:28:23,533 --> 00:28:25,933
Speaker 12: to be an allergy song that she's got where she's

592
00:28:26,293 --> 00:28:30,493
Speaker 12: licks her front feet. We wondered if it was Takeorea,

593
00:28:30,773 --> 00:28:34,173
Speaker 12: whether it was a chicken based allergy.

594
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Speaker 3: Right, she's not, she's not.

595
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Speaker 4: She's not suffering separation, distressed by the sounds. It sounds

596
00:28:41,373 --> 00:28:43,253
Speaker 4: like you're doing you've done a good job of that.

597
00:28:43,453 --> 00:28:46,253
Speaker 4: So she's not licking the top of the poor where

598
00:28:46,253 --> 00:28:48,653
Speaker 4: she's got a kind of a lesion on the top

599
00:28:48,693 --> 00:28:49,493
Speaker 4: of the floor paw.

600
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Speaker 3: She's licking between the toes.

601
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Speaker 12: It's well up up the back of the foot to

602
00:28:57,013 --> 00:29:00,173
Speaker 12: the little toe. We would call it got on a horse.

603
00:29:00,173 --> 00:29:01,493
Speaker 12: I don't know what you call it on a dog.

604
00:29:02,533 --> 00:29:06,293
Speaker 3: Yea, yeah, So she's so what what? What?

605
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Speaker 4: What's going on? There by the sounds of it. It

606
00:29:07,933 --> 00:29:11,093
Speaker 4: sounds like a contact alogy. The most common cause of

607
00:29:11,093 --> 00:29:14,013
Speaker 4: a contact alogy is wandering Jew, believe.

608
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Speaker 3: It or not.

609
00:29:14,453 --> 00:29:17,973
Speaker 4: And most people underneath their plants are wandering Jew of

610
00:29:18,053 --> 00:29:22,093
Speaker 4: some kind and that's really causes quite a bad inflammation

611
00:29:22,213 --> 00:29:27,613
Speaker 4: and that analogy. And so that's probably what it is.

612
00:29:27,653 --> 00:29:30,373
Speaker 4: But the best thing is is check it out with

613
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Speaker 4: the vet.

614
00:29:31,173 --> 00:29:33,573
Speaker 3: And there's verse tests they can do.

615
00:29:33,613 --> 00:29:36,893
Speaker 4: They determine whether it's a food allergy or contact alogy

616
00:29:37,453 --> 00:29:40,533
Speaker 4: or some other kind of cause. But it's really more

617
00:29:40,573 --> 00:29:43,133
Speaker 4: of a medical issue that one. But yeah, that's the

618
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Speaker 4: I would suggest it's probably wandering Jew or something like

619
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Speaker 4: that that's causing her a contact alogy under a feet.

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Speaker 6: I hope that works. Good luck, Gale.

621
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Speaker 5: You've got a dog that's not answering your calls.

622
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Speaker 13: No shot, take your space, can you hear me? Okay?

623
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Speaker 2: Yep, got a loud and clear you go for a Gale?

624
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Speaker 9: Hi Hi, Okay.

625
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Speaker 13: We've got to six a half year old, very small, adorable,

626
00:30:10,253 --> 00:30:13,613
Speaker 13: many Shnaus with her. We just love and she's she's

627
00:30:13,613 --> 00:30:16,973
Speaker 13: always been very stubborn. I think many Schnauss are incredibly stubborn.

628
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Speaker 13: And it's my way off the highway. So she's been

629
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Speaker 13: quite hard to turn off her dogs. In my life,

630
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Speaker 13: I've never known such a bad recall. She's fine with

631
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Speaker 13: my daughter, who's actually sort of broken horses and stuff.

632
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Speaker 13: So Lou's a very stern voice. She's a union now.

633
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Speaker 13: But when I take her for a walk twice a day,

634
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Speaker 13: she's she's a let's a sniffer, sniff sniffer, And I

635
00:30:37,573 --> 00:30:40,653
Speaker 13: get that that's their social thing, but you just can't

636
00:30:40,693 --> 00:30:43,493
Speaker 13: walk with her because or off leash, because you'd be

637
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Speaker 13: two kays down the road and she's still sniffing somewhere else.

638
00:30:47,093 --> 00:30:50,893
Speaker 13: And it's just that's not fun so much now, you know,

639
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Speaker 13: Because then I'm wondering because when she was younger, she's

640
00:30:54,413 --> 00:30:56,093
Speaker 13: spent a lot of time on the farm, and that's

641
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Speaker 13: the fun. So she could run around heart bloods, you.

642
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Speaker 6: Know, with my jack rustle Whnie snows across. Very familiar

643
00:31:04,973 --> 00:31:05,173
Speaker 6: to me.

644
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's very much all those breeds, you know,

645
00:31:10,573 --> 00:31:13,013
Speaker 4: in any any breed that's got us and learns to

646
00:31:13,573 --> 00:31:16,053
Speaker 4: usually knows a lot. Of course, dog's got two million

647
00:31:16,133 --> 00:31:19,653
Speaker 4: times better smell than us, So it's not surprising that

648
00:31:19,693 --> 00:31:22,213
Speaker 4: they're reading the newspaper while they're on the walk and

649
00:31:22,973 --> 00:31:26,133
Speaker 4: that's exactly what they do do. So that really is

650
00:31:27,493 --> 00:31:30,253
Speaker 4: is normally I use clicker training for recall. It's the

651
00:31:30,333 --> 00:31:33,773
Speaker 4: most effective way and long line and there's actually a

652
00:31:34,853 --> 00:31:37,253
Speaker 4: want the video on recall on the school that you

653
00:31:37,333 --> 00:31:40,013
Speaker 4: can check out and just see how how I do it.

654
00:31:40,213 --> 00:31:43,093
Speaker 4: And it's and you want to be working on a

655
00:31:43,133 --> 00:31:45,853
Speaker 4: long line after a while. So she's dragging the long line.

656
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Speaker 4: And but you you need to have use contrast training,

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Speaker 4: to once you've trained it in an easy situation, then

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Speaker 4: you need to systematically work it out and the more

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Speaker 4: difficult situations where there's dogs and people and lots of

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Speaker 6: Luck with your sniffy miniche. Now the scales. It's my

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Speaker 6: life every morning.

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Speaker 2: Now, mar we've got about sixty seconds left, so hopefully

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Speaker 2: that's enough time. Quick text question, Guys, my six month

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Speaker 2: old labrador jumps all over me in the morning until

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Speaker 2: I feed him. It's chaos. Will he ever settle down?

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Speaker 2: Please help?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Clicker training is again the trick with labradors. If so

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Speaker 4: food oriented, get him on the clicker. Clicker means he

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Speaker 4: learns to exactly what you want him to do. And

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Speaker 4: the trick there is click and reward four feet on

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Speaker 4: the ground and he will earn that hours.

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Speaker 3: Brilliant.

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Speaker 4: It's easy to do really, particularly with the lab because

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Speaker 4: he's so food oriented.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Mark.

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Speaker 2: We've run out of time, but man, we could have

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Speaker 2: done this for four hours and we'll still have calls

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Speaker 2: to get to, so we'll catch you again at about

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Speaker 2: a month's time. If you want to check out Mark

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Speaker 2: dog Zen dot com. And as you've mentioned throughout the hour,

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Speaker 2: you've got a bit of a deal line at the moment, Mark.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and just jump on our Facebook age and meet

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Speaker 4: us there and you do blogs and talkbacks and Facebook

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Speaker 4: lives and all types of stuff, so you can communicate

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Speaker 4: with me there as well when you can't get me

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Speaker 4: on the great show.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant stuff. Thank you very much, Mark, we'll catch you

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Speaker 2: again very soon. That is Mark Vinnie world renowned Animal behaviors.

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