1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:12,693 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talks Be follow 2 00:00:12,773 --> 00:00:16,173 Speaker 1: this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:16,613 --> 00:00:19,172 Speaker 2: The crematorium that has been proposed for the middle of 4 00:00:19,413 --> 00:00:22,453 Speaker 2: Havelock North village, there is a group that is rather 5 00:00:22,573 --> 00:00:26,093 Speaker 2: upset about this crematorium. So there's a funeral parlor there 6 00:00:26,173 --> 00:00:29,453 Speaker 2: as it stands, they want to create a crematorium and 7 00:00:29,533 --> 00:00:34,253 Speaker 2: it has gone through a non unnotified a process. So 8 00:00:34,333 --> 00:00:37,053 Speaker 2: the group spokesperson will have a chat to Andrew is 9 00:00:37,173 --> 00:00:39,573 Speaker 2: on the line, Andrew, I take it we're speaking to 10 00:00:39,653 --> 00:00:40,492 Speaker 2: Andrew Fulford. 11 00:00:40,573 --> 00:00:41,972 Speaker 3: Is that right? Yeah, that's right. 12 00:00:42,092 --> 00:00:44,293 Speaker 2: Hi, good to chat with you. So you're the spokesperson 13 00:00:44,333 --> 00:00:47,732 Speaker 2: for this group who is objecting to this crematorium. 14 00:00:49,253 --> 00:00:51,533 Speaker 3: Yeah, correct, one of the spokespersons. 15 00:00:50,933 --> 00:00:55,173 Speaker 4: Didn't I And on what grounds are you objecting to it? 16 00:00:55,213 --> 00:00:56,133 Speaker 4: What's your problem with it? 17 00:00:57,973 --> 00:01:02,373 Speaker 3: Shooting an utterly location and a little bit of the 18 00:01:02,413 --> 00:01:04,773 Speaker 3: process that the council went through, a lack of process 19 00:01:04,813 --> 00:01:08,013 Speaker 3: that the council went through in terms of grinding the consents. 20 00:01:08,813 --> 00:01:10,613 Speaker 3: So I don't know if you guys are familiar with 21 00:01:10,693 --> 00:01:12,973 Speaker 3: have Lock North, but it's not a large place, but 22 00:01:13,053 --> 00:01:16,893 Speaker 3: it's fairly intense in terms of its development, a lot 23 00:01:16,932 --> 00:01:23,093 Speaker 3: of cafes, lot of restaurants, eateries, child kicker centers. It's 24 00:01:23,973 --> 00:01:28,573 Speaker 3: and it's also got quite a special character. It's been 25 00:01:28,613 --> 00:01:31,572 Speaker 3: a village for quite some time, or have that village 26 00:01:31,652 --> 00:01:36,012 Speaker 3: fueled to it and quite intimate and not spread over 27 00:01:36,053 --> 00:01:39,413 Speaker 3: a large area. And the issue here is the crematorium 28 00:01:39,453 --> 00:01:44,372 Speaker 3: is effectively going in the middle of this particular town. 29 00:01:45,853 --> 00:01:48,893 Speaker 4: So you think it's an eyesore? Is that the problem? 30 00:01:49,853 --> 00:01:51,973 Speaker 3: Well, it's a feedex really it's not. Yeah, I mean, 31 00:01:52,013 --> 00:01:54,133 Speaker 3: the funeral home has been there for quite some time, 32 00:01:54,253 --> 00:01:56,693 Speaker 3: but you know it's a step up to be starting 33 00:01:56,733 --> 00:02:00,053 Speaker 3: to discharge the sect to be human remains into the 34 00:02:00,093 --> 00:02:03,373 Speaker 3: local atmosphere. And there's within one hundred and fifty meter 35 00:02:03,453 --> 00:02:08,893 Speaker 3: circle of this particular facility there's thirteen food outlets and too. 36 00:02:09,173 --> 00:02:12,133 Speaker 4: So what actually what actually comes out the chimney of 37 00:02:12,173 --> 00:02:14,493 Speaker 4: a crematorium? 38 00:02:14,733 --> 00:02:17,532 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's that's a good question. I mean, obviously 39 00:02:17,773 --> 00:02:23,853 Speaker 3: it is a combustion product from human bodies, and you know, 40 00:02:23,893 --> 00:02:26,573 Speaker 3: the technology these days of obviously it is better than 41 00:02:26,573 --> 00:02:29,653 Speaker 3: what has been in times past. But I used to 42 00:02:29,733 --> 00:02:33,853 Speaker 3: work beside a crematorium not that long ago, and some 43 00:02:33,893 --> 00:02:35,252 Speaker 3: of the things that you saw coming out of the 44 00:02:35,293 --> 00:02:37,173 Speaker 3: chimney that were just dreadful. 45 00:02:37,972 --> 00:02:40,413 Speaker 4: What did you see coming out of the chimney, Well. 46 00:02:40,293 --> 00:02:43,653 Speaker 3: Just copious quantities of black smoke. If it was it 47 00:02:43,693 --> 00:02:46,933 Speaker 3: was a nice still day, no ear movement, the smoke 48 00:02:46,972 --> 00:02:49,093 Speaker 3: would go up, you know, fifty meters or so, then 49 00:02:49,173 --> 00:02:51,692 Speaker 3: just slowly settled back down and see over all the 50 00:02:51,773 --> 00:02:55,533 Speaker 3: houses around the neighborhood. And the smell was at times 51 00:02:55,573 --> 00:02:58,813 Speaker 3: you could smell very easy. What was I mean there 52 00:02:58,853 --> 00:03:00,813 Speaker 3: was there were blue smells, and there were other smells 53 00:03:00,813 --> 00:03:03,133 Speaker 3: as well as obviously the coffins and things were burning. 54 00:03:03,293 --> 00:03:06,333 Speaker 4: Has this particular funeral home that's wanting to run the 55 00:03:06,333 --> 00:03:11,613 Speaker 4: crematorium given any feedback on what will be coming out 56 00:03:11,613 --> 00:03:14,453 Speaker 4: the chimney, how much black smoke, how much smell in 57 00:03:14,493 --> 00:03:16,213 Speaker 4: the area and such. 58 00:03:17,413 --> 00:03:19,733 Speaker 3: They have, I mean, part of their consent process was 59 00:03:19,813 --> 00:03:22,493 Speaker 3: that the regional Local Regional Council had to look at 60 00:03:22,493 --> 00:03:25,653 Speaker 3: the consent and in lots of work was done in 61 00:03:25,733 --> 00:03:29,733 Speaker 3: terms of presenting data that supported it it wouldn't be 62 00:03:29,773 --> 00:03:34,053 Speaker 3: a problem. And you know that may be the case 63 00:03:34,213 --> 00:03:38,013 Speaker 3: that the provisor is that apparently for the discharges to 64 00:03:38,053 --> 00:03:40,933 Speaker 3: be within consent limits, there have to be a degree 65 00:03:40,973 --> 00:03:45,173 Speaker 3: of maintenance done with filters, et cetera. You know, there 66 00:03:45,213 --> 00:03:46,933 Speaker 3: is a risk that that moments may not be done 67 00:03:46,933 --> 00:03:52,813 Speaker 3: as proper should be. You know that previous listener pointed 68 00:03:52,813 --> 00:03:54,773 Speaker 3: out there's variance that in terms of what actually is 69 00:03:54,773 --> 00:03:58,213 Speaker 3: happening in the crematorium itself of what comes out of 70 00:03:58,213 --> 00:03:58,693 Speaker 3: the chimney. 71 00:03:58,733 --> 00:04:01,612 Speaker 2: So are you worried about it being next to the supermarket? 72 00:04:01,653 --> 00:04:04,493 Speaker 2: That has been a point made in this particular article. 73 00:04:04,573 --> 00:04:06,413 Speaker 2: Is that true to you? Do you care that it's 74 00:04:06,773 --> 00:04:07,973 Speaker 2: opposite a supermarket? 75 00:04:09,133 --> 00:04:11,053 Speaker 3: Not just the supermarket? I mean, like I say, it's 76 00:04:11,093 --> 00:04:15,733 Speaker 3: the actual overall location in general, it's just it's just 77 00:04:15,933 --> 00:04:20,013 Speaker 3: something that that and it's quite a significant number of residents. 78 00:04:20,053 --> 00:04:22,693 Speaker 3: It's not just the group, but it's just something that 79 00:04:22,813 --> 00:04:25,813 Speaker 3: is seen as not necessary and have locked north. I mean, 80 00:04:25,853 --> 00:04:31,173 Speaker 3: there's much better locations for a facility like that. You know, 81 00:04:31,533 --> 00:04:34,293 Speaker 3: I actually haven't as yet come across anybody that thought 82 00:04:34,333 --> 00:04:36,133 Speaker 3: it was a good idea to have a prematorium there, 83 00:04:36,173 --> 00:04:39,573 Speaker 3: apart from one of your previous listeners. 84 00:04:40,293 --> 00:04:42,653 Speaker 4: So going back to the previous listener, so she said 85 00:04:42,693 --> 00:04:45,853 Speaker 4: that there's a McDonald's there, there's a coffee roasters, and 86 00:04:45,893 --> 00:04:49,293 Speaker 4: there's a service station. So there's already quite a lot 87 00:04:49,373 --> 00:04:52,933 Speaker 4: of you know, I guess commercial activity in that area, 88 00:04:53,213 --> 00:04:56,173 Speaker 4: and it's kind of a semi industrial zone. Is that correct? 89 00:04:57,973 --> 00:05:00,253 Speaker 3: Well, that's that's another little bone of contention because it 90 00:05:00,293 --> 00:05:02,333 Speaker 3: is us it is an industrial zone, but it's tiny. 91 00:05:02,413 --> 00:05:04,773 Speaker 3: I mean, there would there would be probably a couple 92 00:05:04,773 --> 00:05:09,733 Speaker 3: of hectores in total of industrial area inside a commercial area. 93 00:05:10,373 --> 00:05:12,173 Speaker 3: So the council saying, well, it's an industry are so 94 00:05:12,253 --> 00:05:14,333 Speaker 3: let's put it here. But really, you know, you've only 95 00:05:14,373 --> 00:05:16,373 Speaker 3: got to go twenty meters either way and you're outside 96 00:05:16,413 --> 00:05:20,253 Speaker 3: that industrial zone and you're into commercial properly in terms 97 00:05:20,293 --> 00:05:25,813 Speaker 3: of cafes, restaurants, each of his like say, childcare centers, etcetera. 98 00:05:26,173 --> 00:05:28,573 Speaker 4: We're talking to Andrew, who's one of the objectives to 99 00:05:28,653 --> 00:05:32,373 Speaker 4: this crematorium and have Lock North. Now, Andrew, what do 100 00:05:32,413 --> 00:05:34,173 Speaker 4: you say too? There's a bunch of texts coming through 101 00:05:34,213 --> 00:05:36,733 Speaker 4: and there's a bit of a reputation around Havelock North. 102 00:05:36,813 --> 00:05:39,293 Speaker 4: This is just an example, guys. The problem is with 103 00:05:39,373 --> 00:05:43,293 Speaker 4: people complaining they're just passing it up as disrespectful typical 104 00:05:43,293 --> 00:05:44,613 Speaker 4: of Havelock North. Precious. 105 00:05:45,413 --> 00:05:48,453 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's funny when you look at 106 00:05:48,853 --> 00:05:51,733 Speaker 3: the comments that I've seen on Facebook regarding this sort 107 00:05:51,733 --> 00:05:53,933 Speaker 3: of thing. And yeah, people laugh like they have a 108 00:05:53,973 --> 00:05:58,093 Speaker 3: laugh at have Lock North residence or have a lot 109 00:05:59,213 --> 00:06:02,813 Speaker 3: that they've got. It's a bit like some more pumpsib 110 00:06:02,973 --> 00:06:07,013 Speaker 3: I guess in terms of that sort of feeling up here. 111 00:06:07,293 --> 00:06:10,253 Speaker 3: So yeah, we get a bit of flat for that well. 112 00:06:10,533 --> 00:06:12,333 Speaker 4: As some of the flat Andrew like this team. I'm 113 00:06:12,333 --> 00:06:15,613 Speaker 4: from Hawk's Bay. I'm from Napier, twenty minutes from Havelock. 114 00:06:15,933 --> 00:06:17,773 Speaker 4: I can assure you have lock people have far too 115 00:06:17,853 --> 00:06:21,133 Speaker 4: much spare time and focus on complaining instead of smiling 116 00:06:21,173 --> 00:06:23,533 Speaker 4: for what they have. And the most expensive area of 117 00:06:23,653 --> 00:06:25,813 Speaker 4: Hawk's Bay hashtag snobs. 118 00:06:27,413 --> 00:06:28,693 Speaker 3: I can't argue without it all. 119 00:06:30,933 --> 00:06:34,333 Speaker 4: Very diplomatic and what are your next steps Andrew and 120 00:06:34,413 --> 00:06:37,133 Speaker 4: opposing this crematorium. 121 00:06:37,253 --> 00:06:41,813 Speaker 3: Well, we've The unfortunate thing is that once the consent 122 00:06:41,853 --> 00:06:44,173 Speaker 3: has been granted, it is very very difficult to change it. 123 00:06:44,173 --> 00:06:45,853 Speaker 3: In fact, the only way to change it, the conceit 124 00:06:45,933 --> 00:06:47,853 Speaker 3: we'll get it revoked is to go through a judicial 125 00:06:47,893 --> 00:06:52,853 Speaker 3: review in the High Court, and of course that takes 126 00:06:52,893 --> 00:06:56,653 Speaker 3: copies quantities of money. We've got some financial resources and 127 00:06:57,093 --> 00:07:02,613 Speaker 3: we've been offered some financial resources from vested interests with 128 00:07:02,733 --> 00:07:04,453 Speaker 3: properties near the place, and just going back to your 129 00:07:04,453 --> 00:07:08,493 Speaker 3: previous listen, I mean I've spoken to two developers who 130 00:07:08,493 --> 00:07:11,093 Speaker 3: have property interests in this area and they're quite concerned. 131 00:07:11,093 --> 00:07:13,093 Speaker 3: So they see it as a negative, quite a strong 132 00:07:13,133 --> 00:07:15,813 Speaker 3: negative in terms of what they're trying to do with 133 00:07:15,933 --> 00:07:18,933 Speaker 3: property in Havelock North and adjacent to these particular this 134 00:07:19,013 --> 00:07:21,693 Speaker 3: particular issue. So you know, it's not seen by them 135 00:07:21,733 --> 00:07:25,373 Speaker 3: as a positive thing. Yeah, and you know we will 136 00:07:25,733 --> 00:07:27,853 Speaker 3: We'll just see how it goes. If we can manage 137 00:07:27,893 --> 00:07:29,933 Speaker 3: to put the money together the years, we would possibly 138 00:07:29,933 --> 00:07:32,173 Speaker 3: go down that route of a judicial review. 139 00:07:32,453 --> 00:07:34,013 Speaker 4: Okay, well, they thank you so much for you call 140 00:07:34,053 --> 00:07:38,173 Speaker 4: Andrew and putting forward your case. We appreciate it, all right, 141 00:07:38,253 --> 00:07:39,653 Speaker 4: thank you, have a great afternoon. 142 00:07:39,733 --> 00:07:42,653 Speaker 2: That is Andrew Fulford. He is one of the spokespeople 143 00:07:42,653 --> 00:07:46,373 Speaker 2: of this Havelock North group who is objecting the crematorium 144 00:07:46,693 --> 00:07:48,813 Speaker 2: being developed in the middle of Havelock North. 145 00:07:49,453 --> 00:07:52,133 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks, there'd be listen live on 146 00:07:52,213 --> 00:07:55,173 Speaker 1: air or online and keep our shows with you wherever 147 00:07:55,213 --> 00:07:57,733 Speaker 1: you go with our podcast on iHeartRadio.