1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: Monday morning, the Prime Minister is in our studio, a 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: very good morning. The letter, the letter from Judith Collins, 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: I thought was a good letter, and I was just 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: saying before the news, I hope people get to see 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: it in the detail because a couple of things won. 6 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: The Palestine thing was a revelation to me. I mean, 7 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: I mean, can you explain it in any way, shape 8 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: or form why Union would have number one on the 9 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: list of Palestine? 10 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 2: No justification for it, really, and it just sort of 11 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 2: speaks to the members sort of not being represented by 12 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: their union very well. And I think if you're a 13 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: parent or a kid or a patient sort are seeing 14 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: what the action is, I think people understand it's politically motivated, 15 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: and we just want them to get around the negotiating table. 16 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: We had the Primary Principles Union come through and close 17 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: there dearly out on Friday, and you know, they got 18 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 2: in there quickly fast, They did a good deal. You 19 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: know they're going to get two point five percent immediately, 20 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: two point one in a year's time, four point seven 21 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: percent within a year really, So we just want them 22 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: to be constructive and get around the table. But I 23 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: think you know the other things, like you said they're going, 24 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: we actually have a bunch of teacher only days. We'd 25 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: just come back from school holidays, We've got Labor Day 26 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: on Monday, and there's a strike going on this week. 27 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 2: We've not unreasonably asked schools teachers to think about doing 28 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: teacher only days during school holidays and professional development during 29 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: school holidays so that we can get our kids taught 30 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: during the during term time. So yeah, look, I just think, 31 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: you know, there's a bunch of political motivations going on 32 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 2: and they just need to get back to the table. 33 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: That was the other revelation in the article for me, 34 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: in the letter for me, and they due to claims. 35 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: They rejected that. So your business of doing your teacher 36 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: ony days and holiday they rejected that. Do you have 37 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: no control over them? Are you not ultimately their employer? 38 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: No, because I think they're actually employed by well actually 39 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: in this case, the Public Service Commissioner is leading the 40 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: negotiation centrally. But you know, again, that's something that you 41 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: want to be discussing on those It's not just always 42 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: about the rate. It's also about terms and conditions about 43 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: how we can deliver services in an efficient, more efficient, 44 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: better way. So I just say I think that's unreasonable 45 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: request when when you sort of think about the twelve 46 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: weeks of school holidays that exist acro this country each year. No, 47 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: and I think when parents get mucked around and then 48 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 2: you've got public holidays on top, you know there's quite 49 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 2: a lot of you know, we just want to make 50 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 2: sure our kids can get back. They've missed a lot 51 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 2: of schooling. We're two weeks out from NCAA. Parents get 52 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: mucked around with their schedules, and I just think we're 53 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 2: just encouraging everyone to get back to the table Undergotiat we. 54 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: Talked to Swimming and Brown last week. He seemed to indicate, Oh, 55 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: I want to see how serious you are. Are you 56 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: looking at changing the law on compulsory arbitration? 57 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: Not currently, but ultimately, you know, you want people to 58 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 2: be protect their right to strike. But also you know, 59 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: if we've got life preserving challenges and a healthcare system, 60 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: that's something we'd have to consider as well. But for now, 61 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 2: our answers get back to the table. Yeah. 62 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: But this is where I get I have an element 63 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: of simpathy here because because of your fiscal constraints, what 64 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,839 Speaker 1: they're arguing over is one percent, two percent and they're 65 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: going well, inflation's two point seven, we're actually going backwards, 66 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: which is a mathematical fact. Would you pay them more 67 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: if you had the money, Yeah, we would if we 68 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: were a wealthier economy like we see in other countries. 69 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: Think about Ireland twice as wealthy per person as New 70 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: Zealand got twice as many teachers. They can pay their 71 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 1: pay their people more. But you know, the irony in here. 72 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: Is that it was labor that actually tripled the debt, 73 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: made us make nine billion dollars worth of interest payments. 74 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 2: And we've got to make the country wealthier. When we 75 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 2: make the wealth, when we make it wealthier, we can 76 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 2: afford better public. 77 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: So this is the problem. Every time I've had a 78 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 1: unionist on this program, I asked the inevitable question, which 79 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: is we have no money, we have less than no money. 80 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: What where do you want that money to come from? 81 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 1: And their answer is consistent that is tax people more. 82 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll borrow more, tax more spamily. Right, That's that's 83 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: the thing, and that's what's caused the mess. That's what's 84 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: caused inflation and interest rates go through the roof and 85 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: cause suffering for regular working folk in New Zellen. 86 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: So this is this is the political slash philosophical debate 87 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: I guess we're having at the moment. These numbers in 88 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: this letter. Do you see them, whether it be primary 89 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: or secondary or indeed doctors or nurses, Are these wages 90 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: that are in this letter to your mind reasonable wages 91 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: forget you one or two percent? But does does sixty 92 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: six percent to primary teachers earning a six figure salary? 93 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: Does that strike you as a fair wage or not? 94 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, I mean we have to start from where 95 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: we start with current set of wages. We would love 96 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: to pay everyone more, but that for that to happen, 97 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: we've got to be a much wealthier economy. And what 98 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: you have to do is just make sure that people 99 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 2: are protected through the cost of living and through inflation. 100 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: And that's why a lot of our conversation and the 101 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 2: terms and that'll be between the employer and the unions 102 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: is around inflation adjusted sort of settlements. But you know, again, 103 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 2: we're not going to backdate payments. And that's as a result, 104 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: you know, I think members are going to be every 105 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: every week of a delay that's been going on is 106 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 2: actually not serving those members. 107 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: Well, No, wrigt In Peters and Fonterra. Is he on 108 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: a thing here is just going to turn into something 109 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: We're going to have to bang some heads. 110 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 2: Well, look, I think the last thing farmers want is 111 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 2: politicians selling them what to do, and he's doing it. Yeah, 112 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 2: he can do it. And I've got a different view 113 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: from him as to what I think is the right. 114 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: You know what what I think they could do? 115 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: Is he in a position to threaten regulation? 116 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: No, Look, the farmers, this is their business, this is 117 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: their livelihoods. It's their decision ultimately, and you know, and 118 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 2: I trust our farmers are to do what they want 119 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 2: to do. That's up to them. But you know, politicians 120 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 2: can have their reckons. When since his I've got mine, 121 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 2: I actually think you know, the consumer brands business is 122 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 2: not nearly as profitable as the as the food ingredients 123 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 2: food service and ingredients business. It's a higher margin business 124 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 2: what they're doing, and so it's a good thing to 125 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: sell it, honest. 126 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: Well, there's an Alliance vote today on the door meets thing. 127 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: Would you sell that as well? 128 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: Look, I mean the commercial decisions and you've got to 129 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: be able to access capital if you want to expand 130 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 2: or protect that business. They look like they're with a 131 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 2: really good partner. But again, why would government get in 132 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 2: the middle of all of that. That's up to individual 133 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: businesses to work out how they have capital and it's 134 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 2: up for those shareholders and owners to make those decisions. 135 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: I couldn't work out over the weekend it said that 136 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: there's a flood. There would not mine a flood of 137 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: visa applications from two hundred parents. Those are the parents 138 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: easer for people in the country and the changes you 139 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: make to the visa. So it is two hundred of flood, 140 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: I don't I don't think so. I mean that's I'm 141 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: just trying to work out whether it's a flood or 142 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: whether it's feels. 143 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: Like suddenly at the lower end of what our expectations 144 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: were and what we planned for. But again, what we're 145 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: designed there was to say, look, you know, if you 146 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 2: want you're a migrant to New Zealand or a New Zealander, 147 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: you don't have any family support, you want to be 148 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 2: able to access that you can. It comes at quite 149 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 2: a high cost because we need to make sure that 150 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: they pay for their own costs around healthcare and the 151 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: consumption of infrastructure. 152 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: What's inflation today and does it worry you. 153 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: Look, it'll be interesting. I mean it could bounce around. 154 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 2: I don't know the number. I haven't been told, but 155 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: it could be you know, as you've heard people say, 156 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: it could be bouncing in around three percent. What the 157 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: Reserve Bank of New Zealand looks at and what we 158 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: sort of look at is what's the medium term inflation. 159 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: It's supposed to be two percent next year, which what 160 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: gives them confidence to keep liring rates. I think there'll 161 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: be a better swings roundabouts. You know, you're seeing massive 162 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 2: growth and red meat prices around the world. You're seeing 163 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 2: you know, dairy On the other hand, you've got rents 164 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 2: the lowest it's been I think since twenty eleven at 165 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 2: the moment, and interest rates coming down. 166 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. But the problem is what you're worried about piccalcl rates. Yeah, exactly, 167 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: so good said exactly. So the council is the problem, 168 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: the power companies the problem, the insurance companies of the problem. 169 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: And so what do you do about that, because that's 170 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: the political part of the equation, isn't it the biggest 171 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: part of it. 172 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: As council rates it's about twelve twelve point five percent, 173 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: and you think about inflation running at two point seven today, 174 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: so it's a big contributor to you know, it's about 175 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: I think thirty five bases points of that as actual 176 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 2: council rates. That's why we want to explore council caps 177 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 2: rate caps because actually to make sure counsels are using 178 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: their balance sheets appropriate. 179 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: When you say explore, when are you actually doing something about. 180 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: It this quarter before Christmas? We'll have more talk about it, will. 181 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: Well you talk about you'll talk about it this quarter, 182 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: will you? 183 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 2: No? No, no, we're working up the policy design work 184 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: right now. That's what Simon Watts has been working on 185 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: as Local Government Minister, and then he'll bring that to 186 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: Cabinet and we'll talk about it. 187 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: From random stuff that you may or may not know about. 188 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: Are you aware of the home baking home cake baking 189 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: review that your government has launched last week? You're not? 190 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: Clearly? Oh, that's on the part of Seymour's hospitality. 191 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: Well it appears not. It appears there's a hospitality review, 192 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: So I get the hospitality review. But he was also 193 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: there with Andrew Hogad last week cutting a cake and 194 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: he's going to loosen up the rules around home cake baking. 195 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, there's some pretty big issues that I think 196 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 2: we want to get to, which I get this country 197 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: get rid of red tape and green tape. That's probably 198 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: not the red tape that I was imagining with. 199 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: No, apparently there's a review underway. Now that's great, here's 200 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: the here's the next thing. Do you know what tar aerospaces? Yeah? 201 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: Down down in christ Et. 202 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: Okay? Good? 203 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? 204 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: Did you realize that they've moved away from rocket launchers? 205 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: This is the government funded aerospace unit. Right, yeah, you've 206 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: you've moved away from rocket launches into what. 207 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 2: Well, we've still got it there for like people like 208 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: dorn Aerospace that have got you know, spacecraft and also 209 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: satellite propulsion systems. That's where they're based. 210 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: You're into flying cars. Apparently fantastic. 211 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: Isn't that great? 212 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: I don't know that that's fantastic. What's the government? 213 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 2: But you don't get flying exton martians? 214 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: No? Well you might one day, but but at what 215 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: point is the government involvement in this that. 216 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 2: We're very it sunds like it is it sounds cool? 217 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, but cool. I'm just worried about the economy. I'm 218 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: just and if we can produce a flying car fans. 219 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: Can I just tell you what's going on there? That 220 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: You've got a great city and christ Church, it's got 221 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 2: brand new infrastructure in it. You've got an awesome university 222 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: with a great engineering school. You've had fantastic startups come 223 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: out the back of it. I think Dawn Aerospace, Kea Aerospace, 224 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 2: a bunch of them that are really doing advanced aviation 225 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 2: in space, and like yells mere, there you've got that 226 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: launch pad, which is actually a huge opportunity for us. 227 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: So the question is what more can we be doing it? 228 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: If they pivoted to flying cars, you'd go for enough advanced. 229 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: Aviation space, all that stuff we're all in on because actually, 230 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 2: do you know we're the third biggest launcher of rockets 231 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 2: in the world. 232 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: I didn't. 233 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: Actually we overtook Russia last year, so we go US, China, 234 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 2: New Zealand and then Russia. 235 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: So why have you held that to the end of 236 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: the interview? I mean, that was your fun fact for 237 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: the morning. 238 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: If we didn't ask about the flying cars, and if 239 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 2: you've come out of the box asking about flying cars up, I. 240 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: Would personally i'd front load the fun facts if I 241 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: if I was the prime front loader the fun facts 242 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: at the start. 243 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 2: Anyway, that requires an interview to ask you the fun 244 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: fake questions up. 245 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: That's true. Actually we should have a separate section. Anyway, 246 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: We've had enough. Any more fun fakes? You got anything 247 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: else thy? 248 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: Any more reflection you want to give me for the week? 249 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: None? WHATSK. For more from the mic Asking Breakfast, listen 250 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: live to News Talks it B from six am weekdays, 251 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.