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Speaker 1: Nineteen away from Sexville.

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Speaker 2: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global

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Speaker 2: leader in luxury real estate.

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Speaker 1: On the Huddle of Us this evening, we have Bridget

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Speaker 1: Morton who is a lawyer with Frank's Ogilvy, and Allie

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Speaker 1: Jones with Red pr Hallo you too, Allay, all right,

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Speaker 1: what do you reckon, Bridget? How do we take the

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Speaker 1: tone down so people don't feel like they have to

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Speaker 1: use the violence?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I think it's that polarization and that echo chamber that

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Speaker 3: was just being discussed has led it to people believing

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Speaker 3: or accepting that violence is a tool that's within the

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Speaker 3: toolbox because they're not getting i think, so many balanced

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Speaker 3: views anymore. And you can just see that play out.

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Speaker 3: I think the parliamentary protests were an absolute example of that.

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Speaker 3: In the beginning, you had a very peaceful, well organized protest,

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Speaker 3: a lot of people there for the right intentions, but

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Speaker 3: what you ended up was that core, that sort of

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Speaker 3: self reflecting echo chamber of core people who believe the

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Speaker 3: only way out of that protest or the ones to

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Speaker 3: show that they're frustration was violence. And I think that

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Speaker 3: this poll is reflective of that kind of you people

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Speaker 3: that don't believe they're being heard, that have been fed

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Speaker 3: into matan to tell them they're not being heard seeing

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Speaker 3: that violence is you on the option?

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Gali?

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Speaker 4: Look, I agree with Catherine everything that she said, but

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Speaker 4: I think the thing that I agreed with most strongly

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Speaker 4: was her comment around you know, the statistics and the

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Speaker 4: skewing here. I mean, you know, when Jordan and I

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Speaker 4: are on we bang heads a bit, and I feel

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Speaker 4: the same about this this survey. I mean, their website

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Speaker 4: says a quarter of the party Mary and one in

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Speaker 4: five ACT voters say violence may be needed to fix

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Speaker 4: New Zealand. And that's just absolute nonsense. I mean, you've

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Speaker 4: heard the saying lies, damned lives and statistics, and that's

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Speaker 4: what I think this is in that question about violence

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Speaker 4: and whether we may need to resort to violence to

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Speaker 4: yet New Zealand back on track. If you look at

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Speaker 4: the results of this thousand people survey, eighty percent disagreed

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Speaker 4: and six percent were unsure. So I think we have

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Speaker 4: to keep it in context. We've seen violence before the

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Speaker 4: Springbot to the Queen Street Rights. We've always seen it.

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Speaker 4: But I think that this if you want to talk

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Speaker 4: about dog whistle politics. This is how to create a

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Speaker 4: story out of nothing at all, in my opinion, so

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Speaker 4: I think that's nonsense.

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Speaker 1: So do you think, okay, are you arguing Ali that

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Speaker 1: fourteen percent? You can? It would be historically consistent. Not

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Speaker 1: a big deal, it.

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Speaker 4: Would be historically consistent.

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Speaker 1: What, sorry, are you arguing that fourteen percent of people

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Speaker 1: saying yep, violence is okay? To get the country back

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Speaker 1: on track would be pretty much the historical norm.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know what it is. But then even

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Speaker 4: in the question itself, Heather, what does getting the country

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Speaker 4: back on track mean? It might mean something to one

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Speaker 4: person and something to someone else. I just think when

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Speaker 4: you look at eighty percent disagreed with that, that's the

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Speaker 4: story here. And I think this has been created to

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Speaker 4: get that to party MARII and five act voters stat

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Speaker 4: out of that, that's just creating a news story.

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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty find your

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Speaker 2: one of a kind.

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Speaker 1: By the way, if if you want to know how

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Speaker 1: it's going with the judges and the rule that caps

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Speaker 1: their ability to sentence to give the sentencing discounts not good,

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Speaker 1: I've got something to tell you about that before six.

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Speaker 1: So stand by, it's thirteen away from sex and we're

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Speaker 1: back with the huddle. Bridget Morton and Allie Jones. Now, Bridget,

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Speaker 1: I have been given given that the release of the hostages,

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Speaker 1: it should be a momentous day of celebration. I'm actually

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Speaker 1: quite surprised to how muted it is, are.

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Speaker 3: You I'm not surprised. I think the silence, particularly from

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Speaker 3: the Greens up un to this point, probably indicates that

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Speaker 3: for them it was about the fight more than it's

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Speaker 3: been about the outcome and the fact that they haven't

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Speaker 3: been able to I think celebrate the fact that there

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Speaker 3: is you know, peace at the moment, and that there

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Speaker 3: is for you know, people on both sides a lot

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Speaker 3: more stupidly going forward than what they've had for the

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Speaker 3: last two years. I think reflects quite badly on them.

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Speaker 3: I would have liked to see, I think, much more

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Speaker 3: celebration in New Zealand and an acknowledgment of the impact

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Speaker 3: that it's been had. But unfortunately, I think that some

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Speaker 3: people have been blinded by Trump's involvement in this deal

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Speaker 3: and are concerned that if they express you know, delight

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Speaker 3: or with positivity around it, that they're somehow giving Trump

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Speaker 3: some credit that they don't want to give him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Ali, That's where I landed, I think. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think part of it is that people are, you know,

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Speaker 1: reluctant to celebrate a piece that could fall apart at

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Speaker 1: any minute. But also I think it is the Trump involvement.

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely, I totally agree with you. I think that

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Speaker 4: acknowledging or even praising Trump is going to be a

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Speaker 4: massive challenge for a lot of people. I was reading

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Speaker 4: online today that a lot of the Democrats in Washington

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Speaker 4: have been making statements and they've actually worked really hard

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Speaker 4: not to include Trump's name in any of the comments

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Speaker 4: that they've met. You know, I know that Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 4: and Broke Obama have come out and they have praised him,

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Speaker 4: and I think they've had to otherwise it would have

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Speaker 4: looked childish. But I think the other thing that makes

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Speaker 4: this difficult to celebrate really is the incredible destruction and

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Speaker 4: the death of children and women and pregnant women lose.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's been so revolting and horrible

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Speaker 4: for so long that yes, it's great to celebrate this,

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Speaker 4: but there's still that very very obvious and present specter

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Speaker 4: of what's been going on for the last two years,

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Speaker 4: and that I think is one of the reasons why

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Speaker 4: people are quite mutship with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, perhaps, so, Hey, what's going on with the Maori Party,

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Speaker 1: bridget what have you heard?

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Speaker 3: Well? I mean, obviously quite a lot of internal infractions.

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Speaker 3: I think their move last night to send an email

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Speaker 3: out their supporters making it clear exactly what the allegations

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Speaker 3: were against Carpu, Kenni and her son are very clear

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Speaker 3: pointed frustration that they have been under pressure for leadership

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Speaker 3: for the last week or so to be shown that

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Speaker 3: they're not dictators, and the other allegations made against them.

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Speaker 3: I think this shows, this public display shows that those

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Speaker 3: frustrations have boiled over and they they're not able to

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Speaker 3: deal with them internally anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, Alie I did not love the

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Speaker 1: fact that she was using taxpayer money to pay her son.

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Speaker 1: What about you?

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Speaker 4: I agree? And I heard the comments earlier about the

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Speaker 4: rules being a little blurred about what you should and

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Speaker 4: shouldn't do. I think anyone with half a brain could

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Speaker 4: could work out what you should and shouldn't do. And

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Speaker 4: we all know about perceived conflict and real conflict of

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Speaker 4: interest as well. But what's really interesting about what's happening

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Speaker 4: with the Malori party now is it just keeps guessing worse.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I do wonder whether there is this culture

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Speaker 4: of arrogance within the party. I mean we've seen it

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Speaker 4: with Tommaheavy last week, you know, being smart as he

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Speaker 4: was being asked questions about the dictatorship and the alleged

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Speaker 4: saw it when Mikey Sherman was asking questions, quite legitimate questions,

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Speaker 4: I mean, even though we're hearing that they are resetting

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Speaker 4: and that they aren't really like this, and now this

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Speaker 4: email has come out, we're not seeing anything that suggests

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Speaker 4: that they are, you know, any better than we're being told.

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Speaker 4: And we see they are now.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't look lash Ell. Are you worried about the

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Speaker 1: brain drain?

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Speaker 4: No, I'm not. I think this is really interesting from

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Speaker 4: a you know, the point that you raised about a

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Speaker 4: few years ago, we would have been quite worried about it.

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Speaker 4: I don't know whether it is a brain drain now

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Speaker 4: so much we had got a lot of brains in

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Speaker 4: New Zealand that actually can't get jobs too, you know,

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Speaker 4: our nurses, some of our midwives. So I don't think

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Speaker 4: it's a brain drain. And I also think we're so

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Speaker 4: distracted Heather was trying to manage our food buying and

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Speaker 4: people going to Australia is not as high on our

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Speaker 4: list of concerns is as maybe it was five ten

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Speaker 1: I totally agree with you, and I wonder bridget it actually,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're so concerned with our own bills that

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Speaker 1: it starts to look like a rational option to us.

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Speaker 1: Therefore we can hardly begrudge the other people doing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I mean I was someone that left the

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Speaker 3: country for Australia than two thousand and seven, and most importantly,

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Speaker 3: I came back. And I hope that I came back,

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Speaker 3: you know, with the masters and with eight years of experience,

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Speaker 3: that I bring back value to the country. And I

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Speaker 3: hope that that means that others who have gone out

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Speaker 3: out and experience the world and come back come back

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Speaker 3: with stuff that actually values the country and makes us

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Speaker 3: a better country. So I don't regard to you anyone

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Speaker 3: who's leaving. I mean, that would be completely hypocritical of

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Speaker 3: me to do so, yes, I.

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Speaker 1: Suppose so, guys listen, good to talk to you. Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much, Bridget Morton, who's the lawyers, Frank Ogilvy,

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Speaker 1: and Allie Jones from red PA.

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