1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,413 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast 2 00:00:10,613 --> 00:00:13,453 Speaker 1: from News Talks, that'd be time to getch up with that. 3 00:00:13,493 --> 00:00:19,333 Speaker 2: Sustainability commentator Kate Hall aka Ethically Kate Guilder. Well, Christmas 4 00:00:19,413 --> 00:00:21,733 Speaker 2: is upon us once again, and one thing that I 5 00:00:21,773 --> 00:00:25,173 Speaker 2: know you and I are absolutely aligned on is that 6 00:00:25,213 --> 00:00:27,453 Speaker 2: one of the great mistakes in life is that people 7 00:00:27,533 --> 00:00:29,853 Speaker 2: end up spending way too much money on gifts that 8 00:00:29,893 --> 00:00:33,253 Speaker 2: no one actually wants. It's just one of those ridiculous things. 9 00:00:33,453 --> 00:00:36,533 Speaker 2: And I am just so with you and that we 10 00:00:36,573 --> 00:00:41,013 Speaker 2: should be giving thoughtful gifts, but maybe giving experiences rather 11 00:00:41,093 --> 00:00:43,013 Speaker 2: than stuff that cost the world. And if you are 12 00:00:43,093 --> 00:00:45,293 Speaker 2: going to give a gift, you really don't want to 13 00:00:45,293 --> 00:00:46,973 Speaker 2: be spending the world, but you want to be thinking 14 00:00:47,053 --> 00:00:48,013 Speaker 2: quite carefully about it. 15 00:00:48,773 --> 00:00:53,093 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think Christmas can be a really stressful time 16 00:00:53,173 --> 00:00:57,053 Speaker 3: for people because it's a financial burden, and you know, 17 00:00:57,133 --> 00:01:00,013 Speaker 3: there's all this responsibility about the right gifts, and then 18 00:01:00,053 --> 00:01:04,613 Speaker 3: the gifts ultimately end up not being used. Yeah, And 19 00:01:04,893 --> 00:01:06,533 Speaker 3: so we can use it as a really great time 20 00:01:06,573 --> 00:01:09,893 Speaker 3: to actually get creatives and yeah, to give back and 21 00:01:09,973 --> 00:01:12,213 Speaker 3: show our friends and family that we love them in 22 00:01:12,253 --> 00:01:14,693 Speaker 3: ways that actually don't cost the earth and don't cost 23 00:01:15,733 --> 00:01:16,973 Speaker 3: you know, so much for our wallets. 24 00:01:17,213 --> 00:01:19,853 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Now I don't know how what shou break 25 00:01:19,853 --> 00:01:21,853 Speaker 2: this down, but let's start off by just thinking about 26 00:01:21,933 --> 00:01:26,293 Speaker 2: some alternatives to like material gifts, and then we can 27 00:01:26,333 --> 00:01:28,133 Speaker 2: talk about the material gift side of things if you 28 00:01:28,173 --> 00:01:29,653 Speaker 2: want to go down that path, because you've got a 29 00:01:29,653 --> 00:01:33,173 Speaker 2: great blog with suggestions there. But if you don't want 30 00:01:33,213 --> 00:01:36,413 Speaker 2: to end up spending hundreds of dollars on something or 31 00:01:36,613 --> 00:01:39,053 Speaker 2: on you know, on an item as such, what are 32 00:01:39,093 --> 00:01:40,173 Speaker 2: some alternatives to that. 33 00:01:41,013 --> 00:01:43,693 Speaker 3: So we've got a classic kind of gift out to 34 00:01:43,813 --> 00:01:48,573 Speaker 3: things like a massage or an experience, you know, bungee jumping. 35 00:01:48,653 --> 00:01:50,853 Speaker 3: That's not my cup of tea, but you know, doing 36 00:01:50,893 --> 00:01:53,533 Speaker 3: something outdoors, really thinking about the person and what they'd 37 00:01:53,573 --> 00:01:55,933 Speaker 3: like to do, and I can guarantee you know they're 38 00:01:55,973 --> 00:02:00,333 Speaker 3: going to remember that experience more than you know, just 39 00:02:00,413 --> 00:02:04,333 Speaker 3: the random knick knack you've picked up last minute from 40 00:02:04,333 --> 00:02:07,893 Speaker 3: them all. So thinking about the experiences and yeah, what 41 00:02:08,053 --> 00:02:12,853 Speaker 3: actually people like to do? Also thinking about how can 42 00:02:12,893 --> 00:02:15,693 Speaker 3: I how can I give back this Christmas? So like 43 00:02:15,773 --> 00:02:19,413 Speaker 3: one year with my Fino, we didn't go physical gifts. 44 00:02:19,573 --> 00:02:24,693 Speaker 3: We gave money to certain charities, but keeping in mind 45 00:02:24,853 --> 00:02:27,373 Speaker 3: the person we were giving it too. So for example, 46 00:02:27,413 --> 00:02:31,093 Speaker 3: my brother is a great musician, and I gave I 47 00:02:31,133 --> 00:02:34,013 Speaker 3: think how budget it was about fifty dollars to a 48 00:02:34,173 --> 00:02:35,933 Speaker 3: music therapy organization. 49 00:02:36,173 --> 00:02:36,453 Speaker 1: Cool. 50 00:02:36,573 --> 00:02:39,213 Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, so it's not just you know, 51 00:02:39,373 --> 00:02:43,293 Speaker 3: kind of giving back kind of randomly to any old organization, 52 00:02:43,413 --> 00:02:46,853 Speaker 3: but it's there's that personalized element too. Yeah, so yeah, 53 00:02:46,893 --> 00:02:50,013 Speaker 3: you're giving back. Like he felt great, we all felt great, 54 00:02:50,013 --> 00:02:53,333 Speaker 3: and we sat around and exchanged those gifts and had 55 00:02:53,373 --> 00:02:56,053 Speaker 3: a really yeah cool kind of time just talking about 56 00:02:56,053 --> 00:02:59,173 Speaker 3: those different organizations as a family, and there was no 57 00:02:59,853 --> 00:03:04,293 Speaker 3: kind of need for wrapping paper bundles in the corner. 58 00:03:04,333 --> 00:03:09,373 Speaker 3: There's yeah, no rubbish enroll in that. So those experiences 59 00:03:09,533 --> 00:03:11,733 Speaker 3: and giving back, I think some. 60 00:03:11,653 --> 00:03:13,573 Speaker 2: Of the English at once, even speaking as a as 61 00:03:13,573 --> 00:03:16,373 Speaker 2: a gift receiver, I mean, I'm just I'm like the 62 00:03:16,413 --> 00:03:19,893 Speaker 2: world most difficult person to buy for. But that's the point, 63 00:03:20,133 --> 00:03:22,133 Speaker 2: I guess I don't I don't necessarily want to be 64 00:03:22,133 --> 00:03:24,573 Speaker 2: bought for in that In that in that honestly, having 65 00:03:24,613 --> 00:03:28,133 Speaker 2: an experience is as valuable to me as anything like 66 00:03:28,173 --> 00:03:30,933 Speaker 2: give me a memory. You know, that's that's the that's 67 00:03:30,973 --> 00:03:33,013 Speaker 2: the thing that you cherish and years. 68 00:03:32,853 --> 00:03:36,013 Speaker 3: To come exactly. And there's you know, like different love 69 00:03:36,093 --> 00:03:38,533 Speaker 3: languages we talk about, right, So physical gifts is just 70 00:03:38,613 --> 00:03:42,333 Speaker 3: one of them, you know, the experiences and spending time 71 00:03:42,373 --> 00:03:45,453 Speaker 3: as another. But one thing I also really like we 72 00:03:45,533 --> 00:03:48,253 Speaker 3: did once with my family is kind of acts of 73 00:03:48,333 --> 00:03:52,653 Speaker 3: service instead. So we like my sister were a little 74 00:03:52,693 --> 00:03:56,933 Speaker 3: voucher for setting up kind of a lovely romantic dinner 75 00:03:56,973 --> 00:03:59,453 Speaker 3: with me and my husband Tim, Tim and I gave 76 00:03:59,733 --> 00:04:01,933 Speaker 3: mom and dad a vouchers for two hours of cleaning 77 00:04:01,973 --> 00:04:05,013 Speaker 3: their house, you know, different things. That's like, actually, we're 78 00:04:05,013 --> 00:04:07,453 Speaker 3: going to be helpful and are going to do something 79 00:04:07,893 --> 00:04:10,493 Speaker 3: that doesn't you know, need to cost a lot. Yeah, 80 00:04:11,173 --> 00:04:14,493 Speaker 3: but it's also showing that actually, in the new year, 81 00:04:14,653 --> 00:04:17,453 Speaker 3: we want to spend time with you and you know, 82 00:04:17,573 --> 00:04:20,653 Speaker 3: like keep up the relationship. Kind of a nice thing 83 00:04:20,733 --> 00:04:23,533 Speaker 3: to also say, you know, because with an experience, you 84 00:04:23,613 --> 00:04:26,093 Speaker 3: can be involved in that experience with the person too, 85 00:04:26,533 --> 00:04:29,853 Speaker 3: So it's quite Yeah, it's a much more thoughtful gesture 86 00:04:29,893 --> 00:04:33,573 Speaker 3: than just a random T shirt You've to them all. 87 00:04:33,733 --> 00:04:36,493 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. Okay, that being said, sometimes you 88 00:04:36,533 --> 00:04:37,853 Speaker 2: do want to give a gift. Sometimes you want to 89 00:04:37,853 --> 00:04:41,413 Speaker 2: give a physical thing to someone and you have very 90 00:04:41,573 --> 00:04:44,533 Speaker 2: very carefully considered a whole range of different gifts, and 91 00:04:44,573 --> 00:04:45,973 Speaker 2: you put together a list. I think it's like one 92 00:04:46,013 --> 00:04:49,613 Speaker 2: hundred different products, right. But the thing that you've done 93 00:04:49,733 --> 00:04:51,613 Speaker 2: very really well is you've gone through some of those 94 00:04:51,613 --> 00:04:55,933 Speaker 2: classic gift categories. So you've got like really ethically sourced socks, 95 00:04:55,973 --> 00:04:59,533 Speaker 2: for example, chocolate, wine, all of that good stuff. So 96 00:04:59,573 --> 00:05:01,773 Speaker 2: why don't you just pick a couple of favorite items 97 00:05:01,813 --> 00:05:05,773 Speaker 2: on there and maybe give us the copepper behind your list. 98 00:05:06,493 --> 00:05:10,133 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I decided most years I kind of sometimes 99 00:05:10,133 --> 00:05:12,773 Speaker 3: feel like a bit of a Christmas Grinch because you know, 100 00:05:13,093 --> 00:05:15,933 Speaker 3: I do say, just give an experience, just do something different, 101 00:05:15,973 --> 00:05:20,173 Speaker 3: like I've explained, which is great, But I think every year, 102 00:05:20,333 --> 00:05:22,933 Speaker 3: even though I try to give those gifts as well, 103 00:05:23,133 --> 00:05:26,533 Speaker 3: I always have to buy something. You know, there's a 104 00:05:26,613 --> 00:05:29,533 Speaker 3: neighbor or an ant, or someone who you know you 105 00:05:29,613 --> 00:05:32,333 Speaker 3: may not know well enough to give a proper experience 106 00:05:32,693 --> 00:05:35,933 Speaker 3: bacher or something like that. So I chose all the 107 00:05:35,973 --> 00:05:39,373 Speaker 3: classic gif Christmas gifts for a reason. I actually asked 108 00:05:39,373 --> 00:05:42,693 Speaker 3: my community online, you know one of the most classic gifts, 109 00:05:42,733 --> 00:05:49,093 Speaker 3: so you know, soaps, and you're, like, I said, wine, chocolate, socks. 110 00:05:49,253 --> 00:05:51,973 Speaker 3: This is about twenty one categories on there and I 111 00:05:52,093 --> 00:05:56,013 Speaker 3: spent several months. I started this way back in July 112 00:05:56,173 --> 00:06:01,733 Speaker 3: August looking at brands who have different credentials like they're 113 00:06:01,733 --> 00:06:05,253 Speaker 3: made in New Zealand, or they're ethically made, they have 114 00:06:05,413 --> 00:06:10,253 Speaker 3: much better packaging, better more sustainable postage to you. A 115 00:06:11,133 --> 00:06:14,853 Speaker 3: lot of small businesses, so small kind of family run businesses, 116 00:06:14,893 --> 00:06:18,173 Speaker 3: which is you know, it's it's Christmas for them, for 117 00:06:18,253 --> 00:06:20,893 Speaker 3: us to be able to support them. And when you 118 00:06:20,933 --> 00:06:23,533 Speaker 3: bring something I find, you know, even if it is 119 00:06:23,573 --> 00:06:26,093 Speaker 3: a soap, which can be a really you know, low 120 00:06:26,893 --> 00:06:30,133 Speaker 3: cost point, if it's a soap that is made you 121 00:06:30,173 --> 00:06:34,493 Speaker 3: know by oh Goodness in Wellington, it comes with the 122 00:06:34,573 --> 00:06:37,573 Speaker 3: extra story. It is like this is made you know 123 00:06:37,893 --> 00:06:41,253 Speaker 3: by you know, one person who has a great little 124 00:06:41,253 --> 00:06:43,893 Speaker 3: workshop down there, and it's a small cost point, but 125 00:06:43,893 --> 00:06:46,173 Speaker 3: it comes with that story and it can actually feel like, 126 00:06:47,013 --> 00:06:50,333 Speaker 3: you know, you're not You're not just buying something small, 127 00:06:50,613 --> 00:06:54,013 Speaker 3: You're it's actually quite big impact. So yeah, there are 128 00:06:54,133 --> 00:06:57,253 Speaker 3: over one hundred different brands and options. Lots of discount 129 00:06:57,293 --> 00:07:00,333 Speaker 3: codes too, because again I think especially this Christmas, everyone's 130 00:07:00,373 --> 00:07:04,093 Speaker 3: really feeling it financially, so it needs to be sustainable 131 00:07:04,133 --> 00:07:08,373 Speaker 3: financially for you too. So I hope that list means that, Yeah, 132 00:07:08,373 --> 00:07:10,613 Speaker 3: people feel a little less overwhemed. 133 00:07:10,853 --> 00:07:13,533 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're will thank you. Kate. That is 134 00:07:13,613 --> 00:07:16,453 Speaker 2: Kate Hall. 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