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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spence to find the real story,

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Speaker 1: or HiT's Ryan Bridge on hither du for see Ellen

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Speaker 2: It is four oh seven Coming up on the show,

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Speaker 2: Tembi Powell on Ukraine? Do they actually want peace if

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Speaker 2: it means giving up a fifth of their country? The

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Speaker 2: economist who reckons we shouldn't, Yes, shouldn't cut the OCEA.

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Speaker 2: This week the latest on this eighteen year old overstay

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Speaker 2: hoping not to be given the boot after five point thirty.

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Speaker 2: Trishuson and Josie Bugani on The Huddle and Freightway's Boss

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Speaker 2: Here after six thirty p sevening Ryan Bridge, Good afternoon, everybody.

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Speaker 2: I've been away for a few days and I really

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Speaker 2: have missed chatting to you. And when I say that,

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Speaker 2: what I actually mean is I've missed arguing with you,

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Speaker 2: which I enjoy doing. I love doing it. Unfortunately, the

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Speaker 2: past few days were spent with my family, which meant

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Speaker 2: I argued with them about politics and all sorts of things,

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Speaker 2: which annoyed them no end as you can imagine. So

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Speaker 2: what I've done is made a list of things that

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Speaker 2: we need to discuss this afternoon, all right. Number one,

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Speaker 2: those political polls kiwis are not saying that they would

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Speaker 2: vote for the lefties. Luckson's not at risk of being

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Speaker 2: turfed out. We're simply sick of feeling poor and we're

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Speaker 2: sending a bat signal. Sort it out, Luxon. And if

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Speaker 2: the forecast ring true, which is a big if given

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Speaker 2: recent experience, we should be in for brighter days come

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Speaker 2: quarter three, quarter four this year and into next year,

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Speaker 2: which is why Luxon should be preparing to call an

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Speaker 2: early election next year. Stay with me, Stay with me

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Speaker 2: once things are looking up, grab the momentum, tell the

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Speaker 2: public you need their backing to cement the progress, and

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Speaker 2: bam second term, maybe even without the need for a

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Speaker 2: three way deal, which is really obviously weighing him down.

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Speaker 2: Number two, Brian Tummocky is a giant tit. You can't

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Speaker 2: tell your buddies to go storm a council building and

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Speaker 2: then congratulate them when the videos shows scrapping and punching.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't seem particularly christian, Brian, does it? I also

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Speaker 2: wonder and have you just looking at him? Does he

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Speaker 2: get his eyebrows professionally done? And if he does, is

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Speaker 2: that not a bit queer? Brian? Number three, and this

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Speaker 2: need to paint all of the crossings and rainbow colors? Personally?

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Speaker 2: It does not make me feel safer or more included

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Speaker 2: in the world. If anything, the whole situation has probably

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Speaker 2: antagonized the extreme end of the other side, making everyone

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Speaker 2: a little less safe on the streets. Can we all

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Speaker 2: just chill out a little bit? Please? And thank you?

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Speaker 2: Number four good news for super Rugby. Change is made,

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Speaker 2: the vibe is good, the game is quicker, people seem

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Speaker 2: enthused by the play. At the weekend, quick and speedy

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Speaker 2: wins the race. And finally number five, Everyone must go

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Speaker 2: is not a tourism campaign slogan. It is a barking

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Speaker 2: order and people don't like those, even the odds who

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Speaker 2: are a bit more bossy and bulshy than us. Where

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Speaker 2: the bloody how are you? A charming question from a

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Speaker 2: bikini clad check on the beach. Quite nice, fijimi, great

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Speaker 2: play on words, sounds rather relaxing luxen telling you that

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Speaker 2: everyone must go not so enticing, not so relaxing. Room

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Speaker 2: for improvement. I'd say two out of ten. Cryan Bridge

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Speaker 2: after four News talk se b. Trump's advisors are on

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Speaker 2: negotiations with Russia to end the war in Ukraine. But

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Speaker 2: Ukraine itself is being left out. European leaders are mythed

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Speaker 2: no invite for them either. They're having a crisis summit

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Speaker 3: I doubt that they will get to a deal without

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Speaker 3: I mean normally, when I was involved in a negotiatingtion

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Speaker 2: America is supplying a huge amount of money and weapons,

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Speaker 2: You've dealt with obviously, you've said you've dealt with the

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Speaker 2: have walked them back plenty of times. If it works,

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Speaker 3: Negotiating from a position and strength is important one to

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Speaker 3: get a deal, but two to keep a deal. To

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Speaker 3: And that's what's being talked about not just between the

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Speaker 2: At the moment the White House is saying nothing. America

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Speaker 3: Now Trump has said that we won't be sort of

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Speaker 2: Fascinating stuff. Jeffrey, thank you very much for your input.

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Price, former Special Council for International Affairs in the

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Speaker 2: US Department of Defense. He's been there at the table

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Speaker 2: Winston Peters has just put out a press release. He's

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Speaker 2: Piners with US sports talk hosts. Lots to discuss Jason,

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Speaker 2: good afternoon, Good afternoon. Right, So the rugby at the

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Speaker 2: weekend seems to have got everyone quite fizzed up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so. You know, it's a good formula,

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Speaker 5: isn't it. The start of the season. Lots of tries,

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Speaker 5: know that we want a competitive competition. We can't just

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Speaker 2: Have we had any numbers on how much play there

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Speaker 5: Yeah, olock, I haven't seen any empirical data, but look again, anecdotally,

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Speaker 5: there were fewer stoppages over the weekend. Right, it was

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Speaker 5: it's a really promising start. The officials played their part,

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Speaker 5: You know, you run until you can't run anymore, they'll

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Speaker 5: wanted for a better, better opening weekend of Super Rugby

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Speaker 5: this year.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not even a few streakers for good measure.

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Speaker 5: Indeed, I don't know whether that's a line or a spreadsheet,

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Speaker 2: There certainly were some spreadsheet spread photos at the end

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Speaker 2: of it. Hey Auckland to see. So they are now

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Speaker 2: five points clear of the pack in the A League.

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Speaker 5: They could win the whole thing. I was driving in

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Speaker 5: you won't be. I look back to last season, similar

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Speaker 5: it will go very very deep in their first season.

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Speaker 5: Massive game coming up on Saturday, Ryan with the third

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Speaker 2: He'd be four Powell on the situation in Ukraine. He

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Speaker 2: Pretty five away from five year own News Talk ZIBB

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Speaker 2: It is happening this week. This is what we hope,

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Speaker 1: The world wires on news talks'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: Mixed messages from US diplomats about whether European countries will

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Speaker 6: Can you assure this audience that Ukrainians will be at

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Speaker 2: Here you got Michael Rubio, who's on his way to

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Speaker 9: We have a common strategy, and we can't always share

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Speaker 2: Finally, this afternoon, some shortlifters and Michigan and the United

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 2: Olli Peterson's with US six PR Perth Live presents a

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Speaker 2: Olli Good Afternoon, Good afternoon, Ryan. So Peter doesn't says

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Speaker 10: Well, they haven't quite made up their minds yet. Of

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Speaker 11: It's almost as much.

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Speaker 10: As people's insurance premiums are going up, and we get

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Speaker 10: get fifty percent savings. Explain it to us like if

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Speaker 10: there are more natural disasters. We understand the reinsurance of

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Speaker 10: Oh, they are going as hard as they can because

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Speaker 10: out like Sam Ray, I want to cut. My community

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Speaker 10: thanks and praise. As the Assistant Immigration Minister, Matt this

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Speaker 11: It's not our job.

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Speaker 10: They're independent of us, and they just ignored his advice.

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Speaker 2: Credit for it. Absolutely. Hey, record number of people traveling

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Speaker 11: Announced more direct services to the United States.

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Speaker 10: I think there's three flights a week these days on

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Speaker 10: Delta Airways between Melbourne and the US, so they're obviously

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Speaker 10: very happy to see three the three million mark past

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Speaker 10: in January, and well maybe I'll add to the well

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Speaker 10: you say one point four million Australians came to New

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Speaker 10: Zealand last year.

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Speaker 11: I might add to that tally sooner other than later

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Speaker 11: on and head your wife.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting. So is that three million for the year

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Speaker 2: to January going to Melbourne?

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Speaker 11: It is?

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Speaker 10: Was the place it with more than three million passengers

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Speaker 10: welcome through airport terminals in January?

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Speaker 2: In January, justice in January. Yes, goodness, may well we

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Speaker 2: have people, isn't it. Well, well, this certainly is when

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Speaker 2: you consider we have three point three million for the

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Speaker 2: entire year to December here in New Zealand. Thank you

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Speaker 2: very much, OLLI great to have you on as always.

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Speaker 2: Oli Peterson six PR Perth Live presenter with us from Australia,

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Speaker 2: just gone eighteen minutes away from five. I'll give you

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Speaker 2: those numbers on migration. In fact, I can give them

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Speaker 2: to you right now. Let's get this over with because

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Speaker 2: it's not great, okay. Twenty twenty four we had a

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Speaker 2: net gain of twenty seven thousand in New Zealand. Twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three one hundred and twenty eight thousand. So we're

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Speaker 2: way down mainly due to few of foreigners coming here.

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Speaker 2: And it sounds bad. Well, I guess it depends on

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Speaker 2: which way you look at it. It could be bad

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Speaker 2: or it could be good, whether you want foreigners coming

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Speaker 2: here and using the roads, in the hospitals, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: But it's actually only a touch below the long term

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Speaker 2: average pre COVID that twenty seven thousand net gain. The

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Speaker 2: net loss of kiwis though forty seven thousand. That's the

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Speaker 2: biggest number in any year on record. Twenty twenty three

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Speaker 2: it was forty three thousand. Fifty six percent of them

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Speaker 2: went to Australia. Forty percent of them were eighteen to

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Speaker 2: thirty years old. In other words, they are young and

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Speaker 2: they are going to Australia. The prediction from Westpac going

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Speaker 2: forward this is for twenty twenty five will have a

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Speaker 2: net inflow of fifteen thousand, remember ours to last year

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Speaker 2: twenty seven, and then in twenty twenty six we'll have

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Speaker 2: an ed and flow of thirty thousand. It is seventeen

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Speaker 2: away from five Barries Soper. Next with politics.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics credit check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 2: Certainty fourteen away from five News Talks, they'd be Barry Soaper,

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Speaker 2: senior political correspondent, with us. Hey, Barry, good afternoon, right,

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Speaker 2: good to see you, lux and giving us an insight

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Speaker 2: into what could happen with the public services post a couple.

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Speaker 12: Of interesting things. It was a bit of a rats

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Speaker 12: and nice press conference today. They started off with this

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Speaker 12: great glowing tourism initiative that they're doing. I mean, they

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Speaker 12: did it yesterday basically, but they're building on it again.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was a bit eleven million dollars on

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Speaker 2: a new car park. I thought, we're cutting its straws

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Speaker 2: for a postcare, aren't we?

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Speaker 12: Yes, exactly, That's what I thought. But it was interesting

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Speaker 12: some of the things that came up. I think you'll

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Speaker 12: see in the not too distant future it will be

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Speaker 12: the biggest fundamental change in the public service and how

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Speaker 12: chief executives are appointed now. Chris Luson hasn't ruled out

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Speaker 12: and you'll hear them cabinet having to say over who

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Speaker 12: gets the top jobs.

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Speaker 13: Ever, Listen, with respect to the public service, what we

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Speaker 13: expect is efficiency, delivery, a fixation and a focus. As

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Speaker 13: you heard in due to Collins remarks, to the public sector.

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Speaker 13: CEO is about thinking about the news on public as

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Speaker 13: customers and how they are best served. I want to

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Speaker 13: be able to identify the next brand of two hundred

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Speaker 13: and fifty really smart, emerging young leaders that we already

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Speaker 13: have in our public service and make sure that we're

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Speaker 13: developing them in the right way. We be a good

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Speaker 13: starting point. Those are the sorts of things that I'm

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Speaker 13: in conversation with the new Public Service Commissioner about soon.

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Speaker 12: I reckon there's going to be a fundamental change. It's

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Speaker 12: been done on Australia. John Howard did it a number

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Speaker 12: of years ago.

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Speaker 2: Training camps, well, boot caps training camps, I mean, yeah.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, but no. Interestingly, if you look at the Police Commissioner,

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Speaker 12: for examples, the recommendation of who gets the job as

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Speaker 12: the Police Minister and it goes to the Prime Minister

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Speaker 12: and then the appointments made and then it goes to

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Speaker 12: the Governor General. But in other areas and other departmental areas,

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Speaker 12: they're not appointed in that way. The Public Service Commissioner

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Speaker 12: appoints the top bureaucrats, and I think it's good if

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Speaker 12: we look at focus the public service a bit more

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Speaker 12: on what we expect out of them and making them

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Speaker 12: a bit more well, not reliable, accountable, that's the word

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Speaker 12: I was talking for, but more accountable I think would

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Speaker 12: be a good way.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you wouldn't get much protest.

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Speaker 12: I don't think you would either.

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Speaker 2: And Destiny Church did he have anything to say about that?

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Speaker 12: Well he did, interestingly Destiny Church. Of course it's going

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Speaker 12: to tax free status because it's a charity. So old

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Speaker 12: Brian Tummocky was out there over the weekend the Gay Pride.

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Speaker 12: I just think it's disgrace. I mean, if the gay

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Speaker 12: people are presenting any problems to them, you'd say, you know,

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Speaker 12: they've got nothing to bitch about. But nevertheless they seem

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Speaker 12: to be able to do it, and the tax free

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Speaker 12: status could be looked at as a result of their

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Speaker 12: performance at the gay Pride parade over the weekend.

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Speaker 13: Here's lux And again I thought the Destiny Church protest

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Speaker 13: has crossed the line. That's not the care we weigh.

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Speaker 13: When you're intimidating public officials and public facilities, that's not

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Speaker 13: the way that we expect things to be in this country.

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Speaker 13: We expect people to have free speech, we expect them

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Speaker 13: to protest peacefully, but also respectfully and we certainly value

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Speaker 13: the diversity that exists here in New Zealand. I know

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Speaker 13: some of those matters are before the police and they're

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Speaker 13: looking into some of that, but on leave that for them.

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Speaker 13: We've said that we would look out and due course

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Speaker 13: around the register and charities and their charitable status and

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Speaker 13: therefore the attacks treatment as a consequence and will form

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Speaker 13: part of that brought a piece of work.

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Speaker 2: I'm pleased he said that at the end, because I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't want them to go in and take away the

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Speaker 2: charitable status on the basis of the protest. No, No,

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Speaker 2: you'd want it to be done as part of that

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Speaker 2: wider review that they're doing. We've got to do, you've

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Speaker 2: got otherwise. I mean you can imagine the pushback.

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Speaker 12: Oh yes, you get a lot.

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Speaker 2: Seymour simply says it was an overlap, not an overstep.

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Speaker 12: It's an open season. Is that I'm David Seymour at

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Speaker 12: the moment. It was last September that he said that

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Speaker 12: these teacher only days are a bit of a rat

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Speaker 12: they're taking them off. I don't think they are. I mean,

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Speaker 12: if you've got the point that Erica Stanford made was

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Speaker 12: that if you've got a new curriculum. You've got to

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Speaker 12: allow the teachers a few teacher only days. Seymour would

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Speaker 12: argue that, look, if the kids are looking at teachers

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Speaker 12: having days off, then you know and sorry, shutting down

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Speaker 12: the school and not allowed, not allowed to come to school.

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Speaker 12: It doesn't do much for attendance. But look it's only

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Speaker 12: three or four times a year. But it was an overlap.

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Speaker 12: He said it as Associate Minister. In September last year,

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Speaker 12: Erica Stanford said that he was overstepping the mark. There's

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Speaker 12: a bit of bitching going on between obviously ACT and

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Speaker 12: the National Party. The interesting to see when it comes

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Speaker 12: May and there's an elevation.

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Speaker 2: Well exactly see. I was talking to a friend at

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Speaker 2: the gym this morning about exactly this. I think he's

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Speaker 2: getting it all out of his system now so that

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Speaker 2: he can calm the farm when he steps into that

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Speaker 2: prestigious role of Deputy Prime Minister.

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Speaker 12: It's also part of their brand, isn't it branding. I mean,

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Speaker 12: you know they've got to look as stand alone from

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Speaker 12: the National Party and that's what they.

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Speaker 2: Do course and for lux and it's like whack a

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Speaker 2: mole if he sorts Seymour out up will Rise Winston

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Speaker 2: for eighteen months to go into an election campaign and

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Speaker 2: unshackled by the Deputy Prime I.

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Speaker 12: Think was quite wise to take the second.

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Speaker 2: Trunch, genius, no brilliant. Hey, why isn't Brook van Valden

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Speaker 2: meeting with the CTU. I thought this was a bad

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Speaker 2: call from her.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, me too, I think. Look, she's the Minister responsible

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Speaker 12: the CTU. They represent three hundred and sixty thousand people

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Speaker 12: in this country. And I remember the day that the

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Speaker 12: CTU would always be in the Minister's office. I remember

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Speaker 12: going back to old Jim Knox spitting in microphones after

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Speaker 12: an all night meeting. I remember once having to have

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Speaker 12: a toothpick to pick out the breakfast that he had

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Speaker 12: just had out.

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Speaker 2: Of my microphone.

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Speaker 14: They went on all night.

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Speaker 12: These things, and now, of course I don't. I think

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Speaker 12: maybe because the unions obviously don't have as much power

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Speaker 12: these days as they used to have. But that's not

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Speaker 12: to say that the minister who's enacting some significant changes

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Speaker 12: that do affect workers, the workers representatives should be able

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Speaker 12: to talk to her. She said one meeting with them.

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Speaker 12: Since she's been the Minister responsible.

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Speaker 2: It's funny you talk about that. There was a Wellington

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Speaker 2: mayor who were used to joke that you'd had you'd

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Speaker 2: have to take a rain jacket to go on into

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Speaker 2: because she would she would spit everywhere. I do distinctly remember.

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Speaker 12: The picking, getting my toothpick back in the office and

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Speaker 12: taking Jim's breakfast out.

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Speaker 2: On the microphone. God bless his soul, Very safe senior

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Speaker 2: for little correspondent here on News Talks, there'd be seven

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Speaker 2: away from five. Lots more to come, including after five.

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Speaker 2: We're going to chat more about the ocr cut that

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Speaker 2: is coming well that many expect will come this week,

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Speaker 2: and we're also going to talk to ten By Powell

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Speaker 2: on Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Putting the time question to the newspeakers the mic Hosking breakfast.

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Speaker 7: Education Minister Erica Stamford has said David Seymour somewhat overstepped

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Speaker 7: the mark in his role as associated with his crackdown

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Speaker 7: on teacher only days. The Associate Education Minister is David Seymour,

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Speaker 7: who was with us. She did say you overstepped the mark,

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Speaker 7: did you.

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Speaker 4: I'm not quite sure i'd put it that way.

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Speaker 15: Basically, there's a set of rules that she's in charge

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Speaker 15: of and that's all I've ever said. I said that

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Speaker 15: Erica Stanford is the one who's the seas in charge

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Speaker 15: of when schools can close. That was in my press release,

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Speaker 15: which was actually part of attendance.

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Speaker 4: I also just make the point that in that interview, not.

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Speaker 15: To blame everything on media, but to the interviewer misrepresented

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Speaker 15: what I'd said, and I think that is at the

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Speaker 15: core of the issue here.

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Speaker 7: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 7: the Rain Driver of the last Newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Four to five on Newstalk zeb Ryan. Teacher contracts have

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Speaker 2: been up to ten days to do professional development and

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Speaker 2: training a teacher only days. No school ever uses them

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Speaker 2: during the school holidays, which is where they should be done.

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Speaker 2: I tend to agree with that. I've got a friend

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Speaker 2: who's a teacher, and she said that the teacher only

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Speaker 2: day consists of them coming in. Someone will do a

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Speaker 2: performance on the guitar, they'll have a wire to, they'll

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Speaker 2: have a song, there'll be some morning tea, and then

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Speaker 2: everyone basically goes to their office, you know, which means

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Speaker 2: home for the rest of the day. I'm sure it's

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Speaker 2: not like that everywhere, and I'm sure that I'll be upsetting.

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Speaker 2: A few people saying that, but you can't tell me.

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Speaker 2: They're busy every second of every teacher only day. A

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Speaker 2: lot of people asking about Barry's injury. He's had a

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Speaker 2: slight injury, and I felt he did tell me fill

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Speaker 2: me in during the break. But I think we'll wait

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Speaker 2: till we get him back on tomorrow and we'll let

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Speaker 2: you know what's happened. Just to hint, something to do

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Speaker 2: with his finger. That's tomorrow ten be Powell is.

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Speaker 16: Next the World.

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Speaker 1: Questions, answers, facts analysis, The drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture. Brian Bridge on Heather Duplessy Allen Drive

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Speaker 1: with One New Zealand let's get connected news talks there'd be.

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Speaker 2: It is five oh seven, good evening, great to have

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Speaker 2: your company. Ukraine has been left out of peace talks

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Speaker 2: over the state and the fate of its own country.

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Speaker 2: The US and Russia are flying to Saudi Arabia to

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Speaker 2: nut out a deal. I spoke to Jeffrey Price a

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Speaker 2: short time ago. He used to be negotiated with the

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Speaker 2: Secretary of Defense in the US. He has been at

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Speaker 2: the table with the Russians before, and he says there

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Speaker 2: is no deal to be done. Without Zelensky at the

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Speaker 2: table at some point.

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Speaker 3: The Ukrainians and the Russians are very far apart right now.

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Speaker 3: So it seems to me that unless we get more

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Speaker 3: pressure on Russia, it's going to be hard to get

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Speaker 3: to something which is acceptable to all sides.

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Speaker 2: Timb Powell is the chairman of Key We Care. That's

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Speaker 2: a charity that delivers aid and helps people evacuate from

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Speaker 2: Ukraine's with me this evening, High temb, Good afternoon, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon no deal without Ukraine?

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Speaker 17: Say so, Well, it's a staric example of geopolitical injustice.

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Speaker 2: I guess it hasn't happened yet. We could see some

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Speaker 2: involvement from Ukraine.

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Speaker 17: Well, one would hope. So, one would hope the Saudis

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Speaker 17: who are hosting this meeting would have the presence of

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Speaker 17: mind to invite Snensky get some stage. But I think

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Speaker 17: it's important to understand that, you know, this war hasn't

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Speaker 17: just happened since February twenty twenty two. It's been going

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Speaker 17: on since February twenty twenty four. And it's important to

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Speaker 17: remember that while Russia's illegal, full scale war did start

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Speaker 17: in twenty twenty two, when Russia annexed Crimea and supported

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Speaker 17: separatist movements under operations in nest Ukraine. Since then, the

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Speaker 17: international community's response has been inconsistent and woefully inadequate, and

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Speaker 17: one would hope that now, at last, there's going to

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Speaker 17: be a change to that, which seems to be the

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Speaker 17: case with Keir Starmer and the French President leading the

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Speaker 17: charge to get European leaders together at last.

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Speaker 2: Do they have enough troops though? That's the question, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, without an ATO, without the US, are they

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Speaker 2: beefy enough on their own?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: They are.

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Speaker 17: Look, Ukraine has proved to the world that they can

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Speaker 17: win this war, and they did that in the winter

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Speaker 17: of twenty twenty two. In the spring of twenty three,

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Speaker 17: the counter offense of that Ukraine mounted and really did

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Speaker 17: push Russia right back with a momentum that the likes

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Speaker 17: of which we've never seen before. Was lightning and extraordinary.

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Speaker 17: And then, of course Mike Johnson was appointed a speaker

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Speaker 17: in the US Senate and the rest is history. He

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Speaker 17: stopped the flow of both aid money and weapons systems

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Speaker 17: to Ukraine, and that philibusting has got us into the

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Speaker 17: position we are today. And I say that because the

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Speaker 17: fortifications that Russia have mounted and developed on that eastern

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Speaker 17: Ukraine border. Are just phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: You have very close links with everyone and with people

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Speaker 2: in Ukraine, obviously through your charity, but also a whole

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Speaker 2: range of networks. If you say, too Ukrainian soldiers give

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Speaker 2: up a fifth of your territory and stop fighting, will that?

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Speaker 17: Well? Look, since we've been there since pretty much May

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Speaker 17: twenty twenty two, so three months after the war started thereabouts,

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Speaker 17: and I've made it my business as far east as

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Speaker 17: we've gone in Russia inside the pardon forties live in

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Speaker 17: Ukraine to ask those that live there whether they consider

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Speaker 17: themselves Russian or Ukrainian. And to a person they have

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Speaker 17: said we are or I am Ukrainian. And we've been

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Speaker 17: to a place called a chancek Ryn, which is now

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Speaker 17: fallen sadly, it was only about one where we were

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Speaker 17: about one kilometer from the Russian border. And even though

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Speaker 17: they all speak Russian, and you know, the vast majority

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Speaker 17: do speak Russian in those eastern parts of Ukraine, they

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Speaker 17: still consider themselves very much to be Ukrainian.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for your time, Timby, and you're input

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Speaker 2: TMB power. Key we care, that's key. We eight and

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Speaker 2: refugee evacuation just gone eleven minutes after five newstalksad b

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Speaker 2: rayam Bridge. Most economists expecting the official cash right to

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Speaker 2: be cut this week fifty basis points to three point

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Speaker 2: seventy five percent. Inflation currently running at two point two percent,

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Speaker 2: so inside the range. Interestingly, though not crucially, food price

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Speaker 2: inflation is actually on the rise again. Economics professor Robert

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Speaker 2: McCulloch is with me, Robert, good evening.

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Speaker 18: Good evening.

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Speaker 2: There's two questions, Will they cut? And then should they cut?

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Speaker 2: Will they cut?

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Speaker 18: Probably? That's what most of the big bank monopoly economists

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Speaker 18: are saying. And Liam Dan at the Herald said they're

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Speaker 18: going to cut, so they you know, that's what they're

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Speaker 18: all saying.

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Speaker 2: Well, if Lillam says it, it's true.

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Speaker 18: If Liam says it must be true. The Herald phys

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Speaker 18: it's true.

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Speaker 2: It has to be true. Exactly, we love lamb. Should

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Speaker 2: they cut?

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Speaker 19: No?

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Speaker 18: I think they probably shouldn't cut. No. Why Well, Nicola

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Speaker 18: Willis changed the Reserve Bank Act the Finance Minister when

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Speaker 18: she came to power, and the sole mandate of the

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Speaker 18: Reserve Bank by law is price stability and that's to

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Speaker 18: find as getting inflation in that one to three percent bracket,

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Speaker 18: and like you said in your introduction, whereas that now

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Speaker 18: it's exactly at the midpoint, it's two percent. Well, it's

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Speaker 18: quite hard to argue with the one line argument. We're

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Speaker 18: exactly at the midpoint, inflation is there, and yet the

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Speaker 18: bank and the big bank economists are all baying for

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Speaker 18: even more cuts. So one has to ask why.

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Speaker 2: Well, they're also I suppose, got an eye on the

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Speaker 2: wider economy and the fact that we're up Shite Creek

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Speaker 2: without a paddle.

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Speaker 18: I think that's the ants the exactly they're panicking and

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Speaker 18: they think the economy is in a terrible state, is it. Well,

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Speaker 18: you asked me the question should they cut? And by law,

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Speaker 18: the Reserve Bank Act, which was passed by the incoming Coalition,

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Speaker 18: says you should only consider the rate of inflation when

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Speaker 18: you make these decisions. That's the law of the country. Now,

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Speaker 18: before it said you could consider the state of the economy,

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Speaker 18: it said maximum sustainable employment as well as price stability.

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Speaker 18: So by law they're only meant to look at inflation.

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Speaker 18: But I think you're exactly right. What are they doing.

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Speaker 18: They're not looking at the inflation rate. It's exactly two percent,

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Speaker 18: but they're panicking about the state of the economy. That's

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Speaker 18: the truth. I think that's what is actually going on.

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Speaker 2: Robert, thank you. Robert McCulloch, who's an economics professor with

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Speaker 2: US A contrary, Well, I suppose it's not so much

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Speaker 2: of a contrarian view. He's just saying, yes, he thinks

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Speaker 2: they will cut, like everybody else is saying. But technically,

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Speaker 2: by the letter of the law, they really shouldn't, though

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Speaker 2: we all want them to, don't we. The dual mandate

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Speaker 2: thing obviously didn't work. But they're still reading between the lines,

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Speaker 2: aren't they. And they know that they'll be hated if

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Speaker 2: they don't. Just gone fourteen minutes after five year OWD

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Speaker 2: news talks, they'll be coming up next to you. How

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Speaker 2: do you like to order when you go to a restaurant?

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Speaker 2: And I'll also tell you about Kars starmer And has

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Speaker 2: planned for troops on the ground in Ukraine. If your

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Speaker 2: business has multiple branches throughout the country, you want to

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Speaker 2: make sure that your signage is the same high standard

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Speaker 2: for every one of your stores inside and out, not

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Speaker 2: a different shade of orange or green, or with the

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Speaker 2: logo you were using ten years ago. You won't have

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Speaker 2: that problem with Speedy Signs. They've been around for twenty

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Speaker 2: five years. They've got close to thirty locations throughout New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: So let's say you've got stores from Fungaday through to Invercargol.

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Speaker 2: One point of contact at Speedy Signs will project manage

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Speaker 2: all your signage from design right through to installation, maintaining

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Speaker 2: your brand integrity and ensuring customers it gets to the

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Speaker 2: right place, and that is, of course, to your place.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to talk to ten different sign companies

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Speaker 2: in ten different towns, and your business or store will

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Speaker 2: be easy to recognize no matter where it's seeing. Plus,

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Speaker 2: Speedy Scigence is site safe accredited to help you meet

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Speaker 2: Ry Encriage QR code ordering at restaurants do you love

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Speaker 2: it or do you hate it? Over the past few years,

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Speaker 2: instead of waiting to be served, you can scan a

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Speaker 2: QR code to read the menu and then order your

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Speaker 2: food and pay through an app. But it turns out

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Speaker 2: most of US aren't actually fans of this idea. A

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Speaker 2: survey by the Restaurant Association found that only eighteen percent

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Speaker 2: of diners like QR code menus, and only twenty four

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Speaker 2: percent are keen on ordering through an app. Mike Eagan

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Speaker 2: is president of the Restaurant Association. He's with us to

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Speaker 2: night at eighteen after five, Good evening, Mike, Good eating.

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Speaker 2: So we don't like it, how many do we know?

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Speaker 2: How many businesses actually do it?

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Speaker 20: Not too many at this stage. It's it's sort of

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Speaker 20: pretty new, I guess, and places are finding the way

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Speaker 20: way around, whether it's the bill and end all or

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Speaker 20: whether they have that plus you know, analogue menus like

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Speaker 20: the good old days.

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Speaker 2: Do we know why people don't like it? Is it

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Speaker 2: because they prefer more personal service? Or is it because

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Speaker 2: the system actually doesn't work?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 20: I actually think it's it's just it's just not that great.

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Speaker 20: I mean, if you're going there with a partner or something,

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Speaker 20: and you're both looking at a menu and you're pointing

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Speaker 20: to things and go.

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Speaker 11: Hey, how about we share this this show over here?

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Speaker 20: Instead there's two of you on your screens trying to

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Speaker 20: scroll up and down navigating a menu. You actually don't

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Speaker 20: get a really good sort of feel for the offer

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Speaker 20: of the place, and you might miss some things on

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Speaker 20: the menu that might have made your made your evening

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Speaker 20: or lunch even better, you know, but you missed it

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Speaker 20: because you scroll too fast. And we're all sick of scrolling.

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Speaker 3: Oun't we you?

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Speaker 2: I suppose we are one thing. And I'm know this

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Speaker 2: from when I was a head major d A COB

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Speaker 2: and CO.

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Speaker 20: I hate I was at COB and Co alumni as well.

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Speaker 2: Hate. I hate to brag like that on I hate

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Speaker 2: to rag like that on air. But one of the

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Speaker 2: things that you're supposed to do as a waiter is

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Speaker 2: make sure that the orders get to the kitchen in

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Speaker 2: a staggered fashion so that they're not overwhelmed and they're right.

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Speaker 2: Whereas if you come, if everyone's ordering off an app

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Speaker 2: and everyone's you know, comes in at seven pm in

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Speaker 2: order at the same time, the kitchen slammed. So is

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Speaker 2: that is that an issue?

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Speaker 21: Yeah?

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Speaker 20: That that's a really good point because that that can

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Speaker 20: happen because all the opposite. I had where a bar

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Speaker 20: head a QR code and it was really quiet, and

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Speaker 20: we ordered and after thirty minutes we went up and

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Speaker 20: they said Oh, it was quite We forgot to look

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Speaker 20: at the computer screen, so they actually forgot our order,

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Speaker 20: so you get the opposite sort of things can happen.

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Speaker 20: But yeah, that's a really good point because you know,

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Speaker 20: when you're trying to run a restaurant and you're trying

871
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Speaker 20: to not slam the kitchen, and you can slow tables down,

872
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Speaker 20: you can offer them another drink so that the kitchen's

873
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Speaker 20: not getting hat with you know, sixty orders all at once.

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Speaker 20: But yeah, could that probably wouldn't happen, and that they

875
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Speaker 20: might explode.

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Speaker 2: Mike, thank you for that. Mike Egan, Restaurant Association president

877
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Speaker 2: with US just study out that they're sorry, survey out

878
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Speaker 2: that they've done saying basically only eighteen percent of diners

879
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Speaker 2: actually like the QR code menus. I'd love to hear

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Speaker 2: what you think. Nine two ninety two is the number

881
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Speaker 2: to text. So look, here's one already. QR code menus

882
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: are trash. It's quite an aggressive view for just a

883
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Speaker 2: you know, a mena. You don't have to use them,

884
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Speaker 2: do you. Anyway, they're trash, according to Barry twenty one

885
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Speaker 2: after five now on News Talk ZB when we come back,

886
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I think about the state of play.

887
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Speaker 2: We've had company reports out today, half your reports out today.

888
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Speaker 2: We've had stats in ZI data on migrants. We've had

889
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Speaker 2: stats in ZED data on tourism. So what does it

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Speaker 2: all add up to. That's next.

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Speaker 1: Informed inside into today's issues. It's Ryan Bridge on hither

892
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Speaker 1: duperic Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

893
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 2: News talk said see five three. There's a lot to

894
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 2: feel gloomy about today. I have tried, I have looked

895
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: far and wide, but the fact is the news is bad.

896
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: Tourism numbers out, yes they are up, but they are

897
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: still not back to pre COVID. Why not migrants confirmation

898
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: today We lost a net forty seven thousand kiwis last year,

899
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Speaker 2: mostly younger, mostly to Australia. That is an at capacity

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Speaker 2: Eden Park. It is first half company reporting season so far,

901
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: so obleak contact profit down. Freightways was actually up, but

902
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: the commentary was bad. CEO says the country's economy is depressed. Frankly,

903
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: so am I. What's more, he says, they're looking to

904
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Speaker 2: expand not here but in Australia because yep, if you

905
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Speaker 2: didn't guess by the Eden Park sized exodus of economic

906
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Speaker 2: refugees leaving our shores. They are performing better across the ditch.

907
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Speaker 2: In other words, there is no shortage of bad news

908
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 2: out there if you look for it. But what I

909
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Speaker 2: can report to you, dear listener, is a mood shift

910
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Speaker 2: taking place in this country. And I'm not talking about

911
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: on the news and the media from the talking heads.

912
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: I'm talking about it down at the bar, chatting to

913
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Speaker 2: your mates. Supermarket checkout style mood shift. People are talking

914
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: about this country differently, differently than the way that they

915
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 2: were last year. Not everyone, but enough to notice a difference.

916
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Speaker 2: You can only be depressed about the state of something

917
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 2: bad for so long before it becomes very unhealthy, and

918
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Speaker 2: I think we have reached that point. People are talking

919
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: about opportunities. How to make this country a better place

920
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: to live in, How can we make more money, How

921
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: can we build better and bigger companies, How can we

922
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: encourage more enterprise? What can we do to keep our

923
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Speaker 2: kids in New Zealand rather than wanting to bugger off overseas.

924
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Speaker 2: We have turned this place around before we can do

925
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Speaker 2: it again. And I reckon despite all of the doom

926
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Speaker 2: and the gloom that you will see in the news,

927
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Speaker 2: this evening. We are on the road to doing just that.

928
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Speaker 2: Bryan Bridge, twenty six minutes after five Man. The QR

929
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Speaker 2: code thing in restaurants has really got people going. Ryan.

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Speaker 2: I was at a restaurant recently overheard the waiter telling

931
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Speaker 2: a patron that she was happy for him to order

932
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Speaker 2: using the app, but to please not pay on the app,

933
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Speaker 2: as the owner gets the tip and not the weights staff,

934
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Speaker 2: which I thought was a fair point. That is interesting.

935
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Speaker 2: I didn't know that that was done. This is another

936
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Speaker 2: Can I just say, actually, on the issue of tips,

937
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: having to stand there in front of your server, in

938
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Speaker 2: front of the waiter and say yes or no to

939
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Speaker 2: a tip and then to the percentage that you want

940
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Speaker 2: is not a key we thing. We shouldn't be forcing

941
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Speaker 2: people into that. You feel trapped, you feel like you're

942
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 2: in a moral cogma. It's an awful feeling. Stop it, please, Ryan.

943
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Speaker 2: Apps are fine for delivery or takeaway, but we eat.

944
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 2: When we eat in a restaurant, we will do it

945
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Speaker 2: for the personal experience. You can't ask what's good, ask

946
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: for some variation or daily specials. That is true, Vicky says,

947
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Speaker 2: run I just hate QBA ordering, so I don't do it.

948
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Speaker 2: Good for you, Vicky. That young man who's been deported

949
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Speaker 2: delayed but still apparently going ahead at some point until

950
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Speaker 2: the minister intervens. We're going to talk to his lawyer

951
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Speaker 2: after this.

952
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Speaker 14: Still breakingsson.

953
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Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

954
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 1: drive home, it's Ryan Bridge on hither duper s Allen

955
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Speaker 1: Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talk said.

956
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Speaker 2: Be in a PEC good evening. It is twenty five

957
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Speaker 2: minutes away from six. Trishuson and Joseph Bcganni standing by

958
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Speaker 2: for the huddle in just a few moments. Keir Starmer

959
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Speaker 2: is he's written an op ed for this is over

960
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: in the UK for the Daily Telegraph saying I am

961
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Speaker 2: ready and willing to send UK troops over to Ukraine

962
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Speaker 2: and to defend the boards basically do like a Korea

963
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Speaker 2: style DMZ, splitting Ukraine and Russia. So he's written this

964
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: op ed. He said he's willing and ready and able

965
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Speaker 2: and etc. But is he actually able? So he's got

966
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Speaker 2: the former head of the UK military coming out and

967
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Speaker 2: saying we cannot do that. At minimum, we would need

968
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Speaker 2: forty thousand troops to go into the pile of one

969
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand troops that Europe and the UK will have

970
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Speaker 2: to come up with. You know, you look at say

971
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Speaker 2: ten thousand troops will be their contribution, but then you've

972
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Speaker 2: got six month rotations. He says, you'd end up needing

973
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Speaker 2: about thirty forty thousand troops. He says, we just don't

974
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Speaker 2: have that number in the UK to do it. And

975
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Speaker 2: you've got Trump saying no NATO forces, no U US

976
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Speaker 2: troops involved, maybe some USA cover, but that's so how

977
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Speaker 2: do you make this add up? That's a good question

978
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Speaker 2: one I'm sure they'll be looking at at this conference

979
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Speaker 2: in France, which is taking place overnight tonight our time,

980
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 2: twenty four minutes away from six now Rich The deportation

981
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Speaker 2: of a New Zealand born teenager has been put on

982
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Speaker 2: hold and the Associate Immigration Minister now has to decide

983
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Speaker 2: whether he's allowed to stay for good. Eighteen year old

984
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Speaker 2: Damon Kumar was classed as an overstayer the moment he

985
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Speaker 2: was born because his mother was an overstayer. He was

986
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Speaker 2: set to be deported this week, but he's made a

987
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Speaker 2: last ditch appeal to the government through the media. Damon's lawyer,

988
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Speaker 2: Alista mcclemont joins me Alistair. Good evening.

989
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:39,919
Speaker 22: Yeah, Hi Ryan, nice to be here.

990
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: Why has this process taken eighteen years?

991
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Speaker 22: It's a really good question. I mean, there are a

992
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Speaker 22: large number of long term overstayers in this country, and

993
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 22: basically the longer the authorities don't do anything about it,

994
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Speaker 22: the easier it is for these people just to sort

995
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 22: of vanish in the system. And what this current situation

996
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 22: illustrates is the danger of when those long terms and

997
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 22: motas days have children, and those children get to this

998
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 22: sort of age, it becomes really really complicated because of

999
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Speaker 22: the humanitarian needs for those childs.

1000
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Speaker 2: Is are the parents still facing deportation or just yes?

1001
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 22: Right, so that parents and Darman and not the older

1002
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 22: sister because the older sister was born as a citizen

1003
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 22: before the law change.

1004
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: Yes, and that was in.

1005
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 22: Two thousand and six, with a law change regarding what

1006
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 22: they call birthright citizenship, which is a hot topic in

1007
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Speaker 22: the United States right now.

1008
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: This is a very sad situation for Damon. Do you

1009
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 2: accept that this is not his fault, but also not

1010
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: the government's fault, his parents' fault.

1011
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 18: Yeah, that's exactly right.

1012
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 22: I mean, adults have responsibilities and obligations, and you know,

1013
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 22: they need to face up to those But day Man,

1014
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 22: you know what obligations did he have as a newborn baby,

1015
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 22: as an overstar and he didn't even know anything about

1016
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 22: his immigration status until he became a teenager when he

1017
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 22: started to sort of put pieces together. So yeah, absolutely

1018
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 22: else have obligations to you bide the law just like

1019
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 22: everybody else.

1020
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 2: If so compassionately, you're saying, if we send them to

1021
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: back to his parents' home country, he doesn't speak the language,

1022
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: he doesn't know much about it, he's never lived there.

1023
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: But if his parents are also deported at the same time,

1024
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Speaker 2: then would they not go as a family unit?

1025
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 22: You know, one of the reasons that the parents came

1026
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 22: here and went underground is because they come from what

1027
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 22: they call those untouchable caste in India. You know, that

1028
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 22: three thousand year old system where whatever cast you're born into,

1029
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 22: you know, your you know, discriminated against your rescue life.

1030
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 22: That's one of the reasons that they came to New

1031
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 22: Zealand to protect you know, their future and you know,

1032
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 22: future children from that sort of discrimination. So they're going

1033
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 22: to go back and face that same sort of discrimination

1034
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 22: and those same challenges. Something that Darman Krumaha knows absolutely

1035
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Speaker 22: nothing about because he's been luckily raised in New Zealand

1036
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 22: where we don't have such a horrible discriminatory system.

1037
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Speaker 2: Alista, thank you, Eliston clim On, Damon Kumar's lawyer. It

1038
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Speaker 2: has just gone twenty one hour away from six.

1039
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1040
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Speaker 2: Shuson from Sherton, Willis pr and Josi Bigani's CEO of

1042
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Speaker 2: Child Fund with me this evening, Good evening, Hello, good

1043
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Speaker 2: to see you. Now. Do you think Josie will start

1044
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: with you? Do you think he should stay or do

1045
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 2: you think you should go? I mean, it's obviously not

1046
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 2: his fault, but it is the pearance.

1047
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 23: He's born here, and until two thousand and six we

1048
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 23: had an automatic citizenship. If you were born here, you're

1049
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 23: a baby. You've got no decision making whatsoever. Most countries

1050
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Speaker 23: have that as your last the lawyer just said. In

1051
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 23: the US it's a big issue birthright citizenship. Most countries

1052
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 23: have birthright citizenship. We changed it. I can't even remember

1053
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 23: why we changed it. Ryan, I mean, it makes sense

1054
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Speaker 23: if the kid's born here, they're in New Zealander, and

1055
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Speaker 23: it's not like we have a massive problem like other

1056
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Speaker 23: countries of Florus borders where people can just walk across

1057
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Speaker 23: the border and hide in a hedge. The last person

1058
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Speaker 23: who arrived here illegally on a boat was Captain Cook.

1059
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 23: You know, if you can cross the Tasman Ocean, good

1060
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 23: luck to you. We want you to obviously an entrepreneur,

1061
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Speaker 23: we keep them.

1062
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but if we keep the rules tight, Trish, then

1063
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Speaker 2: we do discourage that type of thing from happening. I mean,

1064
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 2: you had examples of Chinese women going to La going

1065
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,959
Speaker 2: to all over the States really to have their baby there,

1066
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 2: you know, on a tourist visa, basically have their baby

1067
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Speaker 2: there to drop it there so that they can then

1068
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Speaker 2: have birthrights for the child.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: This is one of the big topics around the US

1071
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Speaker 6: is birth tourism, because that's one of the things that

1072
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Speaker 6: was identified. Funnily enough, a woman would go, she was

1073
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Speaker 6: close to giving birth, she would book into a resort

1074
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Speaker 6: and give birth there. This is a very tricky situation

1075
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Speaker 6: because no matter what happens here, it is this family

1076
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Speaker 6: will split up, so at a minimum that the parents

1077
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Speaker 6: will be sent back. It may be the parents and

1078
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Speaker 6: the son, and then the daughter is left here on

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Speaker 6: their own. I think this is probably a very stark

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Speaker 6: reminder to people who are overstaying here that if you

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Speaker 6: have a child, you know that child is not going

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Speaker 6: to be automatically a New Zealand citizen. And I thought

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Speaker 6: the lawyers reminded to people to get this stuff sorted

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Speaker 6: out is a good one, even if it's going to

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Speaker 6: be difficult. Otherwise you will end up with families in

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Speaker 6: these in these kinds of situations. And as I understand it,

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Speaker 6: at least one of the parents they have been an

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Speaker 6: overstayer for some twenty four years, and it is a

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Speaker 6: reminder that these problems they don't go away. And unfortunately

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Speaker 6: for this eighteen year old, you know he is the

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Speaker 6: one who's going to face the difficult situation. But then

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Speaker 6: you know, part of the immigration rules because we have

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Speaker 6: to have we have to have rules.

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Speaker 2: You have and you do have to have rules.

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Speaker 11: You do have to have rules.

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Speaker 23: Ryan. I mean that no one is saying open borders,

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Speaker 23: but it seems to me the reason that most countries

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Speaker 23: have a birthright citizenship law is that you know if

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Speaker 23: you're if you're born here through no fault of your

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Speaker 23: own You've got no say of it whatsoever. You grow

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Speaker 23: up in New Zealander. You speak our lingo, you you

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Speaker 23: do the raised eyebrow, you know, cureda like everybody else.

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Speaker 23: You know, you you are culturally in every way you

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Speaker 23: are a New Zealander. And and to send this kid

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Speaker 23: back where he doesn't know the language, he doesn't know,

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Speaker 23: he doesn't have any connection to India whatsoever. That's why

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Speaker 23: you have a birthright citizenship. And there are other ways

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Speaker 23: of trying to stop the birthright, the birth tourism, as

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Speaker 23: you say, Trish, I mean maybe it's around the airlines.

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Speaker 23: You know, you can't travel when you're close to giving birth.

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Speaker 23: I mean, you know, we don't have a massive illegal

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Speaker 23: stayers problem like we do like they do in the

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Speaker 23: US and the UK and other places.

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Speaker 2: YEA interesting, No, mum's on planes, not with Big Belly. Hey,

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Speaker 2: Josie Beganni Trisharson on the panel. Coming up next, it's

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Speaker 2: Brian Well, we're not going to have Brian Tommocky on,

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Speaker 2: but we're going to talk about Brian Toummocky.

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Speaker 1: At the weekend the Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International

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Speaker 1: Realty Elevate the Marketing of your.

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Speaker 2: Home fourteen to six on News Talks A. B. Tris

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Speaker 2: Shurson Huson, Willis pr Josey B. Beganni, CEO of Child Fun,

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, guys to the huddle. What should we do? Well,

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Speaker 2: should anyone really do anything about Destiny Church other than

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Speaker 2: just say, well, you can't. You can't go around hitting

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Speaker 2: people when you can't go around, you know, pushing people

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Speaker 2: and shoving people. That's just stupid, trish.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I am loath to give them any airtime,

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Speaker 6: but what they did on the weekend, going to a

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Speaker 6: public library where kids are there with a drag queen,

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Speaker 6: I mean, how ridiculous. And it just shows how unmanly

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Speaker 6: these guys purporting to be men are that you'd go

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Speaker 6: and kick up a fuss there. I thought, maybe the

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Speaker 6: best way to deal with this, though, is in the

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Speaker 6: language that Bishop Tomacky might understand, which is the Bible,

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Speaker 6: which I'm not particularly familiar with, but I did remember

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Speaker 6: there are quite a good scripture, some scripture which might

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Speaker 6: be useful, which says do not judge, or you too

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Speaker 6: will be judged for in the same way you judge others,

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Speaker 6: you will be judged. And with the measure you use,

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Speaker 6: it will be measured to you.

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Speaker 23: Amen. Amen. Well, look, if they've committed a crime, if

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Speaker 23: they guilty of harassment, intimidation, they've trespassed, if they've incited violence,

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Speaker 23: throw the goddamn book at them. I mean, it is

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Speaker 23: despicable what they're doing. But if they've just sat there

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Speaker 23: legally and protested, no matter how objectionable and horrible it is,

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Speaker 23: you can't ban them doing that because then you've got

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Speaker 23: to ban the people who protest. Posey Parker or the Yeah.

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Speaker 23: If I take the people who glued themselves to Rhodes

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Speaker 23: is another example. They had committed ame and arrest them,

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Speaker 23: you know, get throw the law at them. But one

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Speaker 23: of the examples I heard, because it's you know, the

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Speaker 23: thing about free speech and free expression. The right to

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Speaker 23: protest is easy. To stand up for the rights of

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Speaker 23: people you agree with. It's bloody hard when it's despicable

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Speaker 23: and objectionable views like this, but you have to do

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Speaker 23: it to protect those protect all of us to protest.

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Speaker 23: The best example I've ever heard of was a Nazi

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Speaker 23: march in the US in Illinois in a town called Scopie.

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Speaker 23: Every year, a group of Nazis would march through the town.

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Speaker 23: So rather than ban it, a whole bunch of people

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Speaker 23: got together they turned it into a sponsored walk, so

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Speaker 23: they would raise money for every meter that the Nazis walked,

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Speaker 23: and they would use that money to fund anti hate

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Speaker 23: crime groups and you know, anti racism groups and community

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Speaker 23: groups and so on, and so it became this really

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Speaker 23: big thing. So they just turned it around and in

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Speaker 23: the end, you know, the Nazis just went, well, I'm

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Speaker 23: not going to do this anymore. It's not outraging anybody.

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Speaker 23: So there are other ways of doing it. And it

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Speaker 23: is horrible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that you said that, that, Josie, because

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Speaker 2: you know, if this happened four years five years ago,

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Speaker 2: you know that there would be calls for you know,

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Speaker 2: arrests just on the basis of the signs. Do you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean. I think we have slightly mature.

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Speaker 2: I think we have taken a step in the right

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Speaker 2: direction when it comes to freedom of speech and how

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Speaker 2: that should operate. I'm pleased.

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Speaker 23: And I'll say something one thing about that rhyme, which

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Speaker 23: I've realized. I used to think that freedom of speech,

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Speaker 23: you know, and it's become a right wing thing. Used

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Speaker 23: to be a left wing thing. You know, you look

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Speaker 23: back in the civil rights movement and everything. But the

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Speaker 23: thing that I've realized, it's not just about your right

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Speaker 23: to have an opinion because people say, but why should

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Speaker 23: they have this horrible opinion? It's actually what you do

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Speaker 23: when people disagree, so that you don't hit each other

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Speaker 23: or kill each other. It's what you do. It's the

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Speaker 23: alternative to violence. Actually is allowing these idiots to have

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Speaker 23: a say and objectionable.

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Speaker 2: And we should point out actually that it was the

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Speaker 2: idiots on the other side. Who you remember that the

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Speaker 2: old woman that got punched at the posy Parkerts on

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Speaker 2: all sides, Well, I mean I shouldn't.

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Speaker 6: Well, no, they're absolutely violent. And the biggest lesson here

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Speaker 6: is live and let live. I mean, if if these

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Speaker 6: got if Apostle Tarmachy whatever is calling him stuff now,

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Speaker 6: if this is his biggest worry in New Zealand that

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Speaker 6: other people might be gay, well you know he's he's

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Speaker 6: he's really lost the plot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, have you seen his eyebrows? Gayest thing

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Speaker 2: I've ever seen his eyebrows. They look professionally done, Josie,

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Speaker 2: And what's wrong with that? There's nothing wrong, I think

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Speaker 2: it's quite telling.

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Speaker 23: Judge not as true, said not he who judges judges

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Speaker 23: not quite right.

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Speaker 2: Hey, the QR codes, Trisha, do you use them when

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Speaker 2: you go into a restaurant to order a meal or

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Speaker 2: do you prefer to use your traditional weight stuff.

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Speaker 6: Well, when you go to somewhere and it's really busy,

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Speaker 6: I love a R code you get stuff underway. But

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Speaker 6: if you go to a really nice restaurant, one of

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Speaker 6: the things I absolutely love. Well, it's more my husband

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Speaker 6: who loves loves a yap to anyone who can talk

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Speaker 6: to but that that lovely interaction with a really great

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Speaker 6: waiter often that really makes the experience. You know, when

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Speaker 6: you say to them, what would you recommend on the menu?

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Speaker 6: What do you love? What wine would you pair with it?

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Speaker 16: Or whatever?

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Speaker 6: You're not going to get that from a QR.

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Speaker 19: Code, No you not, Josie, I totally agree.

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Speaker 23: The one thing I do like about the QR codes,

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Speaker 23: and this is going to make me sound like a

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Speaker 23: total Karen, is I really hate being interrupted by waiters.

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Speaker 23: You know, when you're just getting down, you're having an

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Speaker 23: argument with your husband, and they come over, they go,

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Speaker 23: is everything all right with your food? And if you

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Speaker 23: go away so QR codes give me the nice privacy

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Speaker 23: to have the argument that I want to have with

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Speaker 23: my husband. I've been saving up for a long time.

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Speaker 2: You'll get indigestion, Tricia said Jessie Piganny. Thanks guys, good

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Speaker 2: to have you on as a ways, enjoy my mondays

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Speaker 2: with you. Two nine away from six, Y're on News

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Speaker 2: Talks VB coming up. I'll tell you about contact Unergy's results,

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Speaker 2: freightways results and Predator Free twenty fifty dumbest idea we've

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Speaker 2: ever come up with. How realistic is it? And what

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Speaker 2: are they going to get? Where are they going to

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Speaker 2: get their money from? We'll talk about that too.

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Speaker 2: News TALKSB six away from six. So the Devaul companies,

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Speaker 2: you'll know them because they've been in the news since

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Speaker 2: last August when the Financial Markets Authority put an application

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Speaker 2: into place dozens of their entities into receivership. A source

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Speaker 2: has told the NBR that they have seen Kenyan Clark

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Speaker 2: being arrested by police outside of his Auckland home address

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Speaker 2: this afternoon. Kenyan Clark was the boss along with his wife.

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Speaker 2: A source who NBR has agreed not to name, said

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Speaker 2: they had seen Clark being arrested outside as Victoria have

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Speaker 2: address just before four pm. Pictures of Clark have appeared

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Speaker 2: being escorted by police in handcuffs on Reddit. Now. We

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Speaker 2: have asked police about this. They've told us they can't

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Speaker 2: confirm any arrests for privacy reasons. We have also approached

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Speaker 2: the Financial Markets Authority this evening to see if we

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Speaker 2: can get comments out of them on it. Interesting turn

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Speaker 2: of events to say the least, a lot of interest

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Speaker 2: in that devail story. They're the ones that fly around

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Speaker 2: on the private jet. You know, they had the marketing

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Speaker 2: campaign and they put themselves in the private jet and

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Speaker 2: put it on the website. It's those guys Freightways. So

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Speaker 2: they have put their half year you know, because everyone's

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Speaker 2: doing half year reports at the moment, so half first

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Speaker 2: half year report from Freightways. This is the logistics career

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Speaker 2: company now actually, given the environment, not too bad. Net

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Speaker 2: profit up nine and a half percent, despite what the

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Speaker 2: CEO says is a depressed economic environment. This is Mark

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Speaker 2: troph year. He says, we haven't seen any signs of

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Speaker 2: green shoots in terms of the economy improving. Our customers

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Speaker 2: are still are trading slightly lower than they were the

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Speaker 2: year before, which is slightly lower than the year before that.

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Speaker 2: So hopefully this is you know, the trough, the low point.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, they're actually looking this is some freightways

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Speaker 2: they're looking to Australia for expansion opportunities because obviously things

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Speaker 2: are a bit brighter over there. Anyway, we're going to

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Speaker 2: have him on the show after six point thirty this evening.

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Speaker 2: News Talk said.

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Speaker 24: Bed noise to sell an a god noise, not to celebrate,

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Speaker 24: just a.

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Speaker 2: Evening to seven half and six year on news talk

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Speaker 2: ZAB Shane Soley has the numbers from the day's action

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Speaker 2: on the stock market. For US. It's about quarter past

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Speaker 2: six this evening. We're going to talk to Mark trojev

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Speaker 2: Troe here rather he's the freightway's boss. The half year

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Speaker 2: result out and it's actually a good number, but the

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Speaker 2: commentary around it quite bad. Gavin Gray's in the UK

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Speaker 2: for US right now. Nikola Willis is the Finance Minister.

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Speaker 2: Good evening, Good evening, Ryan, Minister. I know that this

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Speaker 2: is not your particular purview the FMA, but have you

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Speaker 2: been told anything about an arrest in the devail case today?

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Speaker 11: No?

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Speaker 25: I have not been briefed on that, Ryan, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Are you aware of it?

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Speaker 15: No?

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Speaker 25: I'm not Okay.

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Speaker 2: Inflation, we're obviously going to get a decision from the

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Speaker 2: Reserve Bank this week and I won't ask you to

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Speaker 2: comment on it because I know you can't. But Robert McCulloch,

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Speaker 2: who's the economist, he came on the show tonight and

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Speaker 2: he said, actually, they in terms of what they are

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Speaker 2: legally required to do the Reserve Bank, they have met

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Speaker 2: the standard. They have got inflation in the target range

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Speaker 2: and that's all they're required to do under the changes

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Speaker 2: that you made to their remit.

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Speaker 18: Haven't listen, sole Manain eight of the Reserve Bank by

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Speaker 18: law is price stability and that's to find as getting

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Speaker 18: inflation in that one to three percent bracket. And like

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Speaker 18: you said in your introduction, where is it now, it's

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Speaker 18: exactly at the midpoint, it's two percent.

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Speaker 2: So in terms of what their remit is, have they

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Speaker 2: achieved it?

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Speaker 25: Well? They are back on target, which is good news,

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Speaker 25: but there's also plenty of indicators suggesting there's a lot

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Speaker 25: of spare capacity in the economy. So the risk is

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Speaker 25: that if interest rates are kept restrictive, then actual inflation

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Speaker 25: goes below the target ban. So those are the factors

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Speaker 25: that the Reserve Bank has to weigh up when it's

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Speaker 25: making its decision on the future of the official cash rate.

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Speaker 2: Was taking out the requirement to look at the wider

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Speaker 2: economy and to look at an employment etc. A mistake?

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Speaker 2: I mean, they could potentially not move down this week

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Speaker 2: on Wednesday because you took that out of their remit.

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Speaker 25: Absolutely not, that's not the case. They still have to

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Speaker 25: have a view to the stability of the economy. That's

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Speaker 25: still part of the way in which they make their

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Speaker 25: considerations under that statute. And they do have to have

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Speaker 25: avert a view on where inflation is going. And as

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Speaker 25: I say, it's not okay if inflation gets below one percent,

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Speaker 25: and they'll have a mind to that.

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Speaker 2: Inflation is, as we're kind of been alluding to, the

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Speaker 2: beast is kind of being tamed, and growth in you

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Speaker 2: focus for you, do you have.

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Speaker 25: A target in terms of growth? No, I don't. I

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Speaker 25: do want to see that the forecast return to growth

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Speaker 25: this year occurs. That's what both the Reserve Band and

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Speaker 25: the Treasury are forecasting. My role is to influence the

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Speaker 25: conditions in which growth can occur. Ultimately, it will be

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Speaker 25: up to individual employers to harm or people, individual businesses

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Speaker 25: to decide to expand individual entrepreneurs to start a business.

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Speaker 25: What I need to do is set conditions in which

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Speaker 25: all those decisions are a little easier.

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Speaker 2: Is it not a bit odd that this is a

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Speaker 2: government so focused on targets and quarterly reports and numbers

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Speaker 2: and aspirations, and to not have a target on your

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Speaker 2: biggest aspiration.

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Speaker 25: Well, let's remember what this is all about, Ryan. Ultimately,

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Speaker 25: this is about New Zealanders who have gone through a

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Speaker 25: massive cost of living crisis. Is still finding it pretty

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Speaker 25: tough with the cost of living actually, And what we're

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Speaker 25: saying is we're going to deliver the things that will

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Speaker 25: make a difference to your cost of living. So that's

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Speaker 25: first stopping out of control inflation so prices aren't increasing

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Speaker 25: as quickly, too, creating conditions in which interest rates are

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Speaker 25: coming down so your mortgage isn't as expensive. And three,

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Speaker 25: setting the condition so the economy can grow so that

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Speaker 25: you actually have the opportunity for faster growing wages which

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Speaker 25: allow you to get on top of those costs. So

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Speaker 25: we're doing a broad range of things to support all

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Speaker 25: of that, from delivering infrastructure to bringing on competition in

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Speaker 25: the supermarket sector, to improving our education system. All of

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Speaker 25: those things support growth. Ultimately, as I say, it is

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Speaker 25: the decision of individual businesses and entrepreneurs and others whether

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Speaker 25: they invest in growth.

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Speaker 2: Business test reporting that you have come to an agreement

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Speaker 2: with New Zealand first on changes to the overseas investment.

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Speaker 2: This is about the foreign home buyers. True or false?

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Speaker 25: That is not something that has come to cabinet.

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Speaker 2: So you've been is it something you've discussed the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand first.

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Speaker 25: I haven't directly know PM. I can't speak for the PM.

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Speaker 2: Is National talking to New Zealand first about this? Is

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Speaker 2: it fair to say?

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Speaker 25: I think both Winston Peters and me and Erica Stanford

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Speaker 25: and others have been open about the fact that there

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Speaker 25: is discussion happening about what are the conditions in which

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Speaker 25: we might want to relax those rules. How would we

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Speaker 25: satisfy ourselves that that was in the interests of New

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Speaker 25: Zealanders in New Zealand. Obviously, National came into the coalition

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Speaker 25: with a strong view on that New Zealand First and

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Speaker 25: other view, and we've continued to discuss.

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Speaker 2: That any idea when it might go to cabinet nop.

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Speaker 2: You said during the election campaign you get seven hundred

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Speaker 2: and forty million a year from the two million plus?

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Speaker 2: Have you run the numbers on five million plus? What

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Speaker 2: you get?

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Speaker 16: No?

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Speaker 25: I haven't run those numbers. How come because I haven't

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Speaker 25: been asked to provide that support for a specific proposal

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Speaker 25: at the stage.

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Speaker 2: Right, I see mores more. Is it fair to say

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Speaker 2: it's more at a leader to leader stage at this

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Speaker 2: point you haven't been brought in to get the numbers

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Speaker 2: or the details over that.

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Speaker 25: I think that's a fair way to characterize it.

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Speaker 2: Fair enough. Hey, the prior event over the weekend, what

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Speaker 2: did you make of Destiny Church's protest? Well, well, actually no,

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Speaker 2: let's put the protest to one side, because that's quite

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Speaker 2: a separate thing. It was the pushing and the shoving

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Speaker 2: and all that stuff.

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Speaker 25: Well, here's what I thought. If the complaint of the

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Speaker 25: Destiny Church was that they were worried about children, getting scared.

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Speaker 25: Then Actually what they did was scary because what children

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Speaker 25: saw was violence and an appropriate behavior by adults. So

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Speaker 25: in an attempt to somehow protect the children, I think

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Speaker 25: they did the very opposite.

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Speaker 2: Good point supermarkets. Who is this potential third supermarket player?

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Speaker 2: Is it LD?

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Speaker 25: Look, as I said, I'm not going to reveal the

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Speaker 25: interest that has come to us because there's a very

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Speaker 25: commercially sensitive expressions of interest. I can say that subsequent

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Speaker 25: to my remarks last week, we have had another unsolicited

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Speaker 25: proposal come in, which is good to see because what

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Speaker 25: we're saying is, look, if there are barriers to you

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Speaker 25: wanting to come to New Zealand, we're prepared to look

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Speaker 25: at them. Whether that's the Resource Management Act, the Overseas

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Speaker 25: Investment Act, any of the regulatory issues which may have

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Speaker 25: prevented people in the past from making these investments, we're

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Speaker 25: prepared to tackle. And that's attractive. Now. I can't promise

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Speaker 25: that someone will want to put their capital on the line,

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Speaker 25: but what I can do is do everything possible to

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Speaker 25: get a competitor in because I want New Zealanders to

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Speaker 25: have more affordable groceries and I think the current model

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Speaker 25: is not serving us. Well, and I'm determined to fix it.

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Speaker 2: So you've had a second what you've called an unsolicited offer.

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Speaker 2: What exactly does that mean? Have they said we will

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Speaker 2: come to we want to come to New Zealand. Here's

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Speaker 2: a list of things you need to change before we do.

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Speaker 25: In this instance, it's someone who contacted my office directly saying, look,

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01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 25: we have a potential proposal to enter your market. Who

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Speaker 25: can we engage with about how the government could facilitate that.

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Speaker 25: I've referred them to the National Infrastructure Agency, who are

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Speaker 25: set up to take these kinds of proposals and to

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Speaker 25: evaluate them, and we will work through that.

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Speaker 2: And is this offshore I'm assuming.

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Speaker 25: Well, actually the nature of it could be a combination

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Speaker 25: of offshore and domestic.

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Speaker 2: Okay, a little copro. Thank you, minister. Great to have

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Speaker 2: to have you on Hey good day for A two.

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Speaker 2: Their share price was it almost twenty percent today?

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Speaker 12: Up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 21: It was a real ripper, and it's about it's been

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Speaker 21: a tough run for A two. They've obviously been battling

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Speaker 21: a really modest Chinese and their keyping is in for

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Speaker 21: formula being sold into China. The big expectations pretty handling

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Speaker 21: more than ten percent above expectations, really driven by better

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Speaker 21: revenue margin, and they're upgraded for next year as well,

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Speaker 21: and they've talked about a dividend, So you're really about

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Speaker 21: them doing their thing, picking up share in the Chinese

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Speaker 21: info formula market. Those Chinese birth rates still yet to

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Speaker 21: show a recovery, and they talked about being on track

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Speaker 21: to be making two billion dollars by twenty twenty six

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Speaker 21: with their new product launches and supply chain improvement. So yeah,

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Speaker 21: market got pretty excited about just under twenty percent.

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Speaker 2: Mixed results from the electricity general. Is this this the

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Speaker 2: the you know, the price fights and the wholesale rates,

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Speaker 2: the impact of dry weather.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, look, you've knowed it. Today was very much about

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Speaker 21: both Manowa and Contact Energy came out with some of the

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Speaker 21: little below expectations. Was about this dry weather an impact

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Speaker 21: on generation and so we have seen both companies come

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Speaker 21: out with yes guidance for contact that was saying financial

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Speaker 21: year twenty VERKA twenty six, we're going to be a

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Speaker 21: little bit sort of more cautious, so maybe a bit

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Speaker 21: of conservatism, but certainly that dry weather we've been seeing

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Speaker 21: coming back to buy.

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Speaker 2: Share prices for I mean, this is the problem, isn't

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Speaker 2: it if your company, if your business is exposed to

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Speaker 2: the New Zealand economy, you know you have been in

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Speaker 2: a bit of trouble.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, it has been tough, but we're actually seeing a

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Speaker 21: number of companies starting to talk about green shoots. We

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Speaker 21: saw this last week with Bulk and Steel, when today

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Speaker 21: we've had Freightways come out with a similar comment that

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Speaker 21: you know, while things have been tough, they're seeing things

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01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 21: at least up. We're seeing a bit of buying for

1505
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 21: companies that are exposed to New zeal economy, things like Spark,

1506
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 21: MW Zeum, the Telco, the Telecom New Zeon, Fletcher Building

1507
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 21: seeing a bit of a recovery. Some of it's about

1508
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 21: these better numbers coming from companies recently Freightways of Vulcan,

1509
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 21: but also anticipating the Reserve Bank statement this Wednesday where

1510
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 21: the market's expecting another rate cut. We've seen this before,

1511
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 21: Ryan back in twenty eight, twenty nineteen. Takes New zeal

1512
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 21: Mark a little bit of time to respond to rate cups.

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Speaker 25: You know.

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01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 21: First that we had to roll is this period of

1515
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 21: slow ekin on their activity before the lower rates kicking.

1516
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 21: And we're seeing that now, so we might be seeing

1517
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 21: the green shoots coming through. They still need to grow

1518
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 21: a bit to really support company returns, but we're seeing

1519
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 21: a lot more interests back in New zeal companies.

1520
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 3: They're still in the share market.

1521
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 2: The share price for several Aussie banks that are listed

1522
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 2: here on our stock exchange a week today. What's behind that?

1523
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 21: Yeah, look we saw Duell listed, am Z and Westpact.

1524
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 21: This share prices is a bit weaker today. So they're

1525
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 21: listed in the New Zealand market and in Australian market.

1526
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 21: And what we saw was WISPAC released a quarterly update.

1527
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 21: There was weaked and expected when it comes back to

1528
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 21: the profit guidance for this first quarter is not enough

1529
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 21: to meet expectations. A couple of things behind that hard

1530
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 21: to believe for some, but their net interest margins were

1531
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 21: lower than expected, so they're not making as much on

1532
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 21: their lending as they previously died and their revenue run

1533
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,719
Speaker 21: rate so the rate of new mortgages and so forth

1534
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 21: of writing not quite hitting expectations. There any good news

1535
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 21: really was cost coming in a bit lolo. So yep,

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01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 21: that dragged the banks down and dragged down aims and

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01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 21: respect they are listed on in is our market.

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01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 2: Shane, thank you so much for that. Great to have

1539
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 2: you on as always. That is Shane solely Harbor Asset

1540
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:41,679
Speaker 2: Management with your market update for the sending twenty two

1541
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 2: minutes after six. Coming up after six thirty, we're going

1542
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 2: to talk to the freightways boss Mark Trow here about

1543
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 2: their result. I mean you heard Shane mention it there,

1544
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 2: but they quite a pleasing one, you would have to say,

1545
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 2: give them the circumstances. They are up nine and a

1546
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 2: half per cent net profit despite the fact that Mark

1547
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 2: says they are in a depressed economic environment and they're

1548
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 2: looking overseas to Australia to expand. He's on the show

1549
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 2: to staff for six thirty now twenty three after six

1550
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 2: news talks.

1551
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 1: Heb croaching the numbers and getting the results. It's Ryan

1552
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: Bridge with the business hour and mass insurance and investments.

1553
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 1: Crue your wealth and protect your future.

1554
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:22,719
Speaker 2: The News talks edb six twenty six. News Talks heb

1555
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 2: Predator Free twenty fifty. Remember John Key announced this back

1556
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, and it was I always thought of

1557
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:31,799
Speaker 2: it as an aim shoot, high shoot for the stars

1558
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 2: kind of thing. It'll never actually happen because think about it.

1559
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 2: Will we ever get rid of every single rat in

1560
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 2: Stoat and Mouse and New Zealand? No, that is ridiculous,

1561
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 2: particularly not if they take away our recite our rubbish bins.

1562
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 2: You know they want to move that to fortnightly. Then

1563
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 2: it's never going to happen. Anyway. They need money, so

1564
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 2: Predative Free twenty fifty. It's actually a company, a Crown

1565
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 2: owned limited liability company that they set up to eradicate

1566
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:00,599
Speaker 2: all the possums and the pest and everything. They need money,

1567
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 2: so they were creaming it for years with government off

1568
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 2: the taxpayer teat over the labor years. You know, they

1569
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 2: had Provincial Growth Fund money, all sorts of stuff. Anyway,

1570
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 2: they need two dollars for every one Crown dollar invested,

1571
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 2: so coming up obviously National is tightening the belt. They

1572
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 2: now need to find a whole bunch more manufact They

1573
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 2: need to find more money over the next two decades

1574
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 2: than any organization in New Zealand has ever achieved. So

1575
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 2: it's the tool order, right, and the question is will

1576
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 2: they actually achieve the goal? I don't know, but I

1577
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 2: have an idea. Okay, here's my idea. You know how

1578
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 2: the government sells the rights to certain things, or licenses

1579
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 2: to things like radio frequencies. For example, they have an

1580
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 2: auction and you can bid on a radio frequency. I

1581
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 2: think you should be able to bid at an auction

1582
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 2: on the exclusive global rights to use New Zealand birds

1583
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 2: and your advertising. So you might be able to pay

1584
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:00,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, ten million dollars to be able to

1585
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 2: to use the Wecker for example, exclusively use the wicker

1586
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 2: in your advertising. If your company is a bit cheeky,

1587
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 2: maybe a startup you could use the kere. You know,

1588
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 2: would somebody pay one hundred million dollars for the keywi

1589
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 2: the big Dog? Anyway, that's my idea. Hope it works,

1590
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 2: Hope you like it. Nine two nine two is the

1591
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:22,640
Speaker 2: number to text if you have which I'm sure you

1592
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 2: will have feedback on it. That is my proposal. I

1593
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 2: look forward to hearing from you freightways after the news, whether.

1594
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 1: It's macro microbe or just playing economics. It's all on

1595
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:37,440
Speaker 1: the business hours with Ryan Bridge and theirs. Insurance and investments,

1596
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, protect your future, Use talks, Beta.

1597
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 14: Money's good evening.

1598
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 2: Twenty five minutes away from seven, you're on news talks.

1599
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 2: He'd be I've had this great idea, which you know

1600
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 2: people are just raving about. This idea. Predator Free twenty

1601
01:22:57,920 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 2: twenty five needs a lot of money, a lot of

1602
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 2: prime money that they're trying to raise. Capital that they're

1603
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 2: trying to raise. They need two private dollars for every

1604
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 2: one crown dollar to keep themselves going. And over the

1605
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:08,680
Speaker 2: next couple of decades they're going to need to hell

1606
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:10,799
Speaker 2: of a lot of money to make this a reality.

1607
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:14,600
Speaker 2: So I have this idea that you would sell the

1608
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:19,639
Speaker 2: right to advertise using the likeness of a Kiwi bird.

1609
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:21,719
Speaker 2: You would you would auction it off to the highest

1610
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 2: bidd You'd have your Keywi, you'd have your care, you'd

1611
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,560
Speaker 2: have your cockpile all in there, and any all of

1612
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 2: that money that's raised from doing so from this auction

1613
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 2: would go towards and you know, companies from all over

1614
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 2: the world, cobit on this that money would go towards

1615
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 2: the conservation of these birds. Somebody says, Ryan, a great idea,

1616
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 2: but what would you do with the greenies because you're

1617
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 2: commercializing nature And that's that's.

1618
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 21: What I love.

1619
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:46,680
Speaker 26: Well, just on that front, right, I mean, so that

1620
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 26: means that aukand zoo is part of their conservation. If

1621
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:50,680
Speaker 26: it's going, okay, we'll have like a come and you know,

1622
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 26: pat the Kiwi event. They then can't put the kiwi

1623
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 26: on any of the posters advertising that event, can they,

1624
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 26: because they've lost the You've got you know, Unilever owns

1625
01:23:58,600 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 26: the rights.

1626
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 2: But we don't have pat the KeyWe events. Remember there

1627
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 2: was a zoo that tried that terrible idea. Okay, so

1628
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 2: a problem solved. But no, seriously, someone says, you will

1629
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 2: upset the green That's what I love about this idea

1630
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 2: because it forces you into a moral conundrum. You have

1631
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 2: to sell nature to save nature. That's the beauty of

1632
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 2: the deal. Twenty three away from seven Bridge, career analygistics

1633
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:30,799
Speaker 2: company Freightways has reported an increase in revenue and profit

1634
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 2: despite the tough economic environment that they're operating in at

1635
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:35,679
Speaker 2: the moment. The business has posted a halfir net profit

1636
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,600
Speaker 2: forty four point seven million. That's up eleven and a

1637
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 2: half percent. Unfortunately for US, most of that growth has

1638
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 2: come from freightways operations in Australia. Mark trow here is

1639
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 2: the chief executive, is with me tonight home Mark.

1640
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 18: Good day, Ryan.

1641
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 2: How are you really good? You must be pretty happy

1642
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 2: with that given the environment you're in.

1643
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, I think a team's done a really good job.

1644
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 4: It's look, it's tough out there. I think I've been

1645
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 4: true three recessions in this business over the years. Yeah,

1646
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 4: team has done a great job to win a bit

1647
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 4: of market share and help produce that result for us.

1648
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:12,600
Speaker 2: What are you saying on the ground here versus Australia.

1649
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:16,959
Speaker 4: Look, it's definitely a bit more buoyant over there, there's

1650
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 4: no question about that. So customers over here for us

1651
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:23,680
Speaker 4: are still trading at lower levels. We're not hearing a

1652
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 4: whole lot of customers talking about a short, quick turnaround

1653
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 4: anytime soon. That's why we've said we think it'll be

1654
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 4: a bit of a grind. Reality is an Aussie it's

1655
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 4: just a little bit more buoyant customers over there, Probably

1656
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 4: half of them are growing. Half of them are steady

1657
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 4: rather than gone backwards, and just whenever you're over there,

1658
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 4: when you're out and about, you know, there are people

1659
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 4: out spending in the restaurants and the shops and the

1660
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 4: restaurants are busy. So yeah, it's kind of night and day.

1661
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 4: I think as we see it.

1662
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 2: For how long do you envisit? You know, based on

1663
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 2: the conversations you having with your customers and obviously that

1664
01:25:57,080 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 2: is a pretty good indication because you're delivering presumably this

1665
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 2: up that they're selling, right, So how long is this

1666
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 2: sluggish behavior going to continue?

1667
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 15: To know?

1668
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 4: Look, I think each recession we've come out with over

1669
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 4: the year, come out of over the years, has been

1670
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 4: slightly different. This one here has just been a longer

1671
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 4: grind into it, and I suspect a longer grind out

1672
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 4: It'll be as probably those mortgage rates come down, there's

1673
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 4: a bit of that interest money back in people's pockets

1674
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 4: and they start to spend it. I think that'll just

1675
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 4: happen steadily and gradually. We're hoping second half of the

1676
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 4: year for us, maybe around May June we start to

1677
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 4: get a little bit of signs of life, but it'll

1678
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 4: just be slow. I don't think it'll happen dramatically.

1679
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 2: In the meantime, do you try and go after more

1680
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 2: business in Australia? Do you try and expand there more?

1681
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 4: Well, if we try and expand everywhere, So everywhere we

1682
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 4: are we try and grow. We have plans for our

1683
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 4: teams to grow in every business we're in, so they

1684
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 4: won't change regardless of the country, but certainly Australia there's

1685
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 4: a there's a lot of opportunity to acquire businesses as well.

1686
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 4: Still a pretty fragmented market, a lot of operators in

1687
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 4: that express transport market in Australia, and the market is

1688
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 4: realistically eight to nine times bigger than ours here in

1689
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 4: New Zealand because of higher pricing, greater distances. So yeah,

1690
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 4: there's there's a heap of opportunities over there, more than

1691
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:17,799
Speaker 4: there are in New Zealand.

1692
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 2: To be fair, government here mark very open, at least

1693
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 2: they tell us they're very open to ideas for growth

1694
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 2: changes that could be made, to legislation, to operating environment,

1695
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 2: anything on your wish list.

1696
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 4: Well, look, I think some of the stuff they've announced

1697
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 4: about infrastructure getting going on, that's that's really important stuff.

1698
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 4: Getting performance out of the government's balance sheet is really important.

1699
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 4: They own a bunch of companies state owned enterprises, some

1700
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,599
Speaker 4: of which compete with us. Get some performance out of them,

1701
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:49,799
Speaker 4: I reckon that would help.

1702
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 12: You.

1703
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 4: If I contrast with Australia, I think they have a

1704
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 4: pretty good habit of spending the way out of recessions.

1705
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 4: And let's say so, they generate a lot of wealth

1706
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 4: out of mining, so they splash the money around a bit,

1707
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 4: and they do spend their way out to some extent.

1708
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 4: But I think our government, you know, are probably doing

1709
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 4: the right things. It's just how can we do it

1710
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 4: a bit harder, bit faster.

1711
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 2: What do you think they should do with NZ Post.

1712
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 4: Well, I think they should for a sad demand performance

1713
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 4: equivalent of their nearest competitor, which is US, which is

1714
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 4: what they're obliged to do under the State Owned Enterprises Act.

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Speaker 2: But they're not.

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Speaker 4: No, Well, I think that's where i'd start.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Mark, great to have you on the show.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations on what is it? You know, a pretty reasonable

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Speaker 2: result given the environment that you're in. Nice to have

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Speaker 2: you on the show. That's Mark trow here. He's the

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Speaker 2: Fight Freightway's chief executive talking there about well, his result,

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Speaker 2: but also about New Zealand post, which is interesting, wasn't

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Speaker 2: it nine? The number to text? Nineteen minutes away from seven.

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Speaker 2: We're going to Gavin Gray out of the UK before

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Speaker 2: the top of the hour, and I'm just loving your

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Speaker 2: messages on this key. We Native New Zealand bird, the

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Speaker 2: predator free New Zealand things, some of them are very funny.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to those two.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with Ryan Bridge, and there's insurance and investments. Grew your wealth,

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Speaker 1: protect your future, the news talks'd be.

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Speaker 2: It is sixteen minutes away from seven. Year on News Talks,

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Speaker 2: said b Ryan, why would you pay one hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars for a bird that only comes out at night,

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Speaker 2: lays one egg and is not even pretty? Ie the

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Speaker 2: keiw This is one of our listeners, Think Predator Free

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Speaker 2: twenty fifty. Gavin Gray is our UK correspondent. He's with

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Speaker 2: us now, Hi, Gevin, Hi, there are the uk PM.

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Speaker 2: This is Sara. He said. He is ready and willing

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Speaker 2: to put UK troops on the ground. He's written an

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Speaker 2: up head in the papers over there in Ukraine to

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Speaker 2: help guarantee its security as part of a peace deal.

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Speaker 2: But you know, can you do that?

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Speaker 18: Are you?

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Speaker 2: Are you actually able to.

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Speaker 12: Ah?

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Speaker 19: Very good question. At the weekend, Lord Dannat he's the

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Speaker 19: former head of the Army, have given an interview saying

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Speaker 19: the UK military is so run down it couldn't lead

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Speaker 19: any future peacekeeping mission in Ukraine. But that doesn't prevent,

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Speaker 19: of course, some involvement in a peacekeeping mission in Ukraine,

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Speaker 19: which I think is what is going to be pushed

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Speaker 19: now at this meeting. As European leaders gather in Paris

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Speaker 19: for today's meeting, they have seen America contact Russia directly

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Speaker 19: to negotiate or try to negotiate some form of a

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Speaker 19: peace deal for the war in Ukraine, but they haven't

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Speaker 19: involved Ukraine itself, and European leaders are annoyed that, being

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Speaker 19: right on their border, they aren't involved in it either,

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Speaker 19: which is why they're having this meeting later today and

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Speaker 19: Kirstarmer is meeting there. He's basically going to suggest that

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Speaker 19: this peacekeeping force is put in place, he said, putting

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Speaker 19: our ground on the troops if necessary, because when peace

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Speaker 19: comes it cannot merely be a temporary pause before putin attacks.

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 19: That's the very real fear having taken Crimea already that

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Speaker 19: Vladimir Putin will accept more Land in a peace deal

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Speaker 19: and then perhaps, well, nothing really happened. I'll try and

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Speaker 19: ma luck again. That's the fear of European leaders, that's

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Speaker 19: the fear of the Ukrainians, of course. And it comes

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Speaker 19: as the US Secretary of State Marco Rubio plans to

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Speaker 19: meet Russian officials in Saudi Arabia in the coming days.

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Speaker 19: And nobody knows what president and President Trump is willing

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Speaker 19: to give away of Ukraine that isn't his to give away,

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Speaker 19: So huge concern here in Europe.

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Speaker 2: What more do we know about the Stebbing attack in

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Speaker 2: Austria Given.

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Speaker 19: Well over the weekend, I'm afraid there was this horrid

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Speaker 19: attack in which a fourteen year old boy was killed

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Speaker 19: and five people wounded. It was a knife attack. A

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Speaker 19: twenty three year old Syrian asylum seeker is the main suspect.

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Speaker 19: He's been detained. It happened in the south of Austria,

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Speaker 19: near the border with Italy and Slovenia. Police initially said

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Speaker 19: they'd yet to establish a motive, and that is kind

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Speaker 19: of they're still they go to answer, but they say

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Speaker 19: they now do believe it could involve extremism specialists in

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Speaker 19: the investigation, and that is because plenty of people in

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Speaker 19: Austria are now reporting this is being linked to Islamic State.

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Speaker 19: There are some really awful pictures of a man sat

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Speaker 19: down having conducted the attack. It's alleged smiling at the

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Speaker 19: police officers waiting to arrest him, holding a knife. It's reported,

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Speaker 19: but I'm afraid, of course, this comes after the attack

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Speaker 19: in Munich in Germany in which a car was driven

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Speaker 19: into a crowd of people. A couple of people over

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Speaker 19: the weekend who are injured have since died. And again

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Speaker 19: that was an Afghan man trying to seek some asylum.

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Speaker 19: So I'm afraid plenty for Europe to digest this morning,

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Speaker 19: and particularly as both countries in political turmoil. Germany goes

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Speaker 19: to the polls at the weekend with a strong showing

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Speaker 19: in opinion polls now for far right and right wing parties,

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Speaker 19: and Austria unable to form a government trying to avoid

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Speaker 19: involving the Free Freedom Party, the far right party there

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Speaker 19: which did so well in their recent elections.

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Speaker 2: Is it just me or does it seem like the

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Speaker 2: authorities there are much quicker now to admit or concede.

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Speaker 2: I suppose that the accused of these, you know, in

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Speaker 2: these attacks are asylum seekers. I suppose in contrast to

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Speaker 2: what was happening over in your country. It seems like

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Speaker 2: they're quite quick to say, yes, we're confirming this was

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Speaker 2: an asylum seeker. We believe what was behind this, and

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Speaker 2: this was the potential motive.

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Speaker 19: That's a very interesting line run. Yeah, there was so

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Speaker 19: much criticism that the attacks in south Port, Northwest London

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Speaker 19: by a single man who went in and started to

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Speaker 19: attack people at a playgroup, and the police was so

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Speaker 19: slow to come forward with any information, and of course

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Speaker 19: it led to those riots when social media rumors took over. Yeah,

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Speaker 19: I think you might be right there. I think the

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Speaker 19: UK used to be quite quick in revealing what they

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01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:59,840
Speaker 19: knew the authorities, but it would seem not anymore. And

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Speaker 19: then the big accusation, of course from America and others

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Speaker 19: is anyone that speaks out in a right wing voice

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Speaker 19: is immediately labeled far right and occasionally imprison or at

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Speaker 19: court for things they've said on social media.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting. Hey for inch Customs, I love this story.

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Speaker 2: If customs officers have found nine dinosaur teeth during a

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Speaker 2: routine check at the Italian border.

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Speaker 19: It's an extraordinary fine, isn't it. And it is a

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Speaker 19: road that is regularly checked. The road the A eight motorway,

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Speaker 19: and they inspected a Spanish lorry and immediately apparently spotted

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Speaker 19: the fossils in two parcels. They then sent them off

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Speaker 19: to be examined in the nearby city of Menton, and

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Speaker 19: then an expert said, yeah, these are dinosaur teeth. They

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Speaker 19: are between seventy two and sixty six million years old,

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Speaker 19: and they believe to have come from Morocco. Now that's

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Speaker 19: quite interesting because that would suggest maybe this is a

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Speaker 19: lorry on board a ferry going from North Africa to

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Speaker 19: southern Europe. And one of the teeth is identified to

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Speaker 19: belong to a marine reptile measuring about three meters in length,

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Speaker 19: and three belong to another one called the most asaurus

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Speaker 19: and aquatic creature that measured up to twelve meters. Suffice

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Speaker 19: to say, investigations are continuing and questioning continues to.

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Speaker 2: What a fine for a routine chick Evan, thank you

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Speaker 2: for that. Kevin Gray, UK correspondent with US just gone

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Speaker 2: nine minutes away from seven. You're on news Talk. Zib

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Speaker 2: I mentioned that's seventy two million year old croc potentially

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Speaker 2: crocodile teeth. You're on news talksib.

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Speaker 1: It's the hitherto per Se Alan Drive Full show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk zibby News.

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Speaker 2: Talk Zibig gone seven away from seven. Lots of feedback

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Speaker 2: on what we do with the future of conservation and

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01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 2: how you fund conservation in New Zealand. Hi, Ryan, we

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01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 2: need to just charge people more at the borders for

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01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 2: the use of our national parks and infrastructure. We need

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01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:09,720
Speaker 2: to make New Zealand greater again, says Hamish Ryan. You're

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01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 2: so right with vermin control. It needs to be privatized

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01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 2: so there is actually some accountability as the moment that

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Speaker 2: the funding at the moment, rather the funding is from

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Speaker 2: the government and the rate payers. It's just another burden

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Speaker 2: of the employees with no justification or no productivity, no KPIs,

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Speaker 2: says Dave David. It's a good point. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: know there are a lot of volunteers in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: who do a lot of amazing work and a lot

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Speaker 2: of hard work and long hours to try and trap

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Speaker 2: and chase down and kill all of the predators that

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Speaker 2: we need to in New Zealand. But is how well

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Speaker 2: is the stuff be measured, how well is the funding

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Speaker 2: being assessed against those KPIs etc. Questions. I don't have

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Speaker 2: an answer to it at the moment. Thank you very

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Speaker 2: much for all of your messages on that. They've been

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Speaker 2: very entertaining. Some of them I can't read because they're

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01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 2: just far too and to our national birds and we

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Speaker 2: can't have that predator free twenty fifty. Here is a

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Speaker 2: just a thought for you. We will never make it.

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Speaker 2: We will never be predator free in New Zealand ever.

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Speaker 2: I mean you can have areas. I mean, look at

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Speaker 2: Russell in Northland. They've managed to do basically well almost

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01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:25,320
Speaker 2: of Peninsula. They've done fantastic work trapping there, but you

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01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:27,760
Speaker 2: still get the odd one. You know, you will never

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Speaker 2: be completely predative free in New Zealand. I hate to

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Speaker 2: say it, but it's just the truth. I suppose it's

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Speaker 2: good to have an ambitious goal, isn't it? And I

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01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:37,840
Speaker 2: think that was John Key's ambition. Right. What have we got?

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Speaker 26: What are we going out to tonight? An's greedy by

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Speaker 26: take McCray to play us out tonight. She's got an

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Speaker 26: album coming out all on the twenty first, so only

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Speaker 26: a few days away actually at the end of the week.

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Speaker 26: So she's naturally been doing the interview circuit just so

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Speaker 26: that she can get the bublicity up and stuff, and

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Speaker 26: said that she never searches herself on the internet. Says basically,

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Speaker 26: it's just too much of a risk that she'll end

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Speaker 26: up looking up all the things that people are being

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Speaker 26: meanout her, and then she's worried it'll affect her creativity.

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Speaker 26: If she's, like, you know, reading all the criticism and stuff,

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Speaker 26: it will start affecting what she's actually doing in terms

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01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:10,280
Speaker 26: of song singing and songwriting and all that sort of thing. So,

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Speaker 26: I mean, it's an interesting approach. So basically, I think

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01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 26: you need to stop looking at the text machine right,

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01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:16,040
Speaker 26: stop looking at all the criticism. Apparently it's going to

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Speaker 26: fect your creative process.

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Speaker 2: I quite enjoy it. Nextly, hey, quick update from police.

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Speaker 2: They responded to our request about the Devau group and

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01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 2: about Kenyan Clark. They say police responded to a disorder

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Speaker 2: incident this afternoon involving two parties on Victoria Avan remu Era.

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Speaker 2: There were no injuries. One person was taken into custody.

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Speaker 2: At the time However, they have been released without charge

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Speaker 2: so that you go more on that insid here dot co,

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