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Speaker 1: Now Trump's campaign of blowing the drug boats out of

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Speaker 1: the water has come a little closer to home. This time,

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Speaker 1: the military has killed two people in a drone strike

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Speaker 1: in the eastern Pacific Ocean, striking a speedboat that was

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Speaker 1: carrying drugs along a well known trafficking route. Al Gillespie

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Speaker 1: is a Whyecuttle University law professor and with us now, hey,

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Speaker 1: el hey, Heather, how do you feel about this now?

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Speaker 2: A little bit uneasy? I think mister Trump's right to

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Speaker 2: be concerned about the way that the drugs are changing

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Speaker 2: and causing a lot of problems in America, but the

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Speaker 2: process he's doing it is wrong. Everyone has a right

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Speaker 2: to a fair trial and they shouldn't just be executed

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Speaker 2: on assumption that they are a drug trafficker.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that what he's doing is necessarily going

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Speaker 1: to work? Because I imagine it'll be enough to dissuade

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Speaker 1: the big dogs from getting on the boats themselves, but

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Speaker 1: they may just force lower level ranking people on.

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Speaker 2: I think it will be a complete failure. I think,

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Speaker 2: like the war on drugs is over one hundred years

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Speaker 2: old now, and we've got more supply demand and drug

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Speaker 2: deaths than ever before. I mean, we have to think

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Speaker 2: about different it's just trying to go hard on them

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Speaker 2: hasn't actually dented the supply or the demand. And I

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Speaker 2: think you're completely correct. Those who supply the drugs will

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Speaker 2: just change their route to come into the country.

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Speaker 1: How accurate do you think they are when they are

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Speaker 1: identifying whether it's just an average person on a speedboat

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Speaker 1: or a drug trafficker.

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Speaker 2: My guess is that they would be fairly accurate. But

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Speaker 2: that's not the point. Because even if you're in a

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Speaker 2: domestic country and some countries do, we have the death

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Speaker 2: penalty for trafficking drugs, you still have to give them

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Speaker 2: a trial. You still have to apprehend them and see

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Speaker 2: if they are the right person, and that the guilt

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Speaker 2: is that the penalty is proportionate to the guilt. You're

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Speaker 2: getting none of that here. You take them on their

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Speaker 2: word that they're drug traffickers, and you're thinking, therefore that

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Speaker 2: that penalty is appropriate, and that's just wrong.

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Speaker 1: What do you think would happen if they struck a

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Speaker 1: boat of completely innocent people belonging to another state that

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Speaker 1: cares about it civilians like data, Let's say Australia or

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Speaker 1: New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: There would be uproar. I mean, you only have to

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Speaker 2: consider if this that was being done by China or

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Speaker 2: by Russia, how other countries would respond the situation. And

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Speaker 2: then if you take one step further back and look

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Speaker 2: in the Philippines, they're former president as currently before the

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Speaker 2: International Criminal Court for Crimes against Humanity for the way

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Speaker 2: that he did extra judicial killings against his own people

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Speaker 2: related to the drug war. And so at the moment

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Speaker 2: we see it and we think, well, it's kind of entertaining,

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Speaker 2: but underneath it there's some very serious principles we need

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Speaker 2: to think about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good to talk to you. Thank you, mate,

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Speaker 1: Al Gillespie, Wycuttle University law professor. For more from Heather

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