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Speaker 1: On the trade situation. The Prime Minister reckons it's unlikely

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Speaker 1: We're going to be able to change Donald Trump's mind

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Speaker 1: on the higher tariff that he slapped on New Zealand

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Speaker 1: came in at fifteen percent when Australia got slapped with

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Speaker 1: ten percent. Felicity Roxburgh is the director of the International

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Speaker 1: Business Forum and with us. Hey, Felicity, hi there. Do

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Speaker 1: you agree with the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 2: Well, we believe that it's worth. We welcome the decision

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Speaker 2: to go to Washington to press our case, to put

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Speaker 2: the word that we have a balanced trade profile with

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Speaker 2: the US and that we've sort of been hopefully inadvertently

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Speaker 2: caught up in the Trump tariff net.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that we'll be able to change Trump's mind.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be difficult. I think it's going to

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Speaker 2: be difficult.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, let's be honest about it, Felicity. So

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Speaker 1: we can stop getting our hopes up. Okay, So it's

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Speaker 1: unlikely to happen even if we did the things that

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Speaker 1: they would want, right, even if we removed all the

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Speaker 1: tariffs that we slap on. Their staff looked at the

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Speaker 1: biosecurity regime on us and Paul maybe bought some Boeings quicker,

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Speaker 1: so we could kind of you know, change the trade,

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Speaker 1: the balance of trade, even all of that stuff. They

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Speaker 1: still wouldn't budge.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's still we do believe it's still worth making

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Speaker 2: an attempt to go and talk to them. I mean

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Speaker 2: what the other thing to remember is that you know

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Speaker 2: that we have supported more or less the government's approach

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Speaker 2: up until now because it was a lot of downside

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Speaker 2: risk as well to negotiating. You know, it's very unpredictable

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Speaker 2: the situation, and if we'd gone there and made a

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Speaker 2: big noise, then we could have ended up in some

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Speaker 2: conversations that we didn't want to be in. And also,

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Speaker 2: you know ten percenters. There's very long queue of the

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Speaker 2: ten percent club, so we probably were at the end

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Speaker 2: of it. So, you know, the businesses aspect to they

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Speaker 2: understood and accepted the government's kind of head down years open.

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Speaker 1: The conversations that we might have ended up in that

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Speaker 1: we didn't want to end up in.

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Speaker 2: Are they China not necessarily? I mean, there's also the

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Speaker 2: pharmac piece that's been a difficulty for the government. The

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Speaker 2: US doesn't like our sort of single buyer model. We

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Speaker 2: do have defensive interests as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, for Liicity, it's wonderful to talk to you. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for your expertise. That's Felicity Rocksborough, director of the International

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