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Speaker 3: Well, a very good morning, and welcome along to the
Speaker 3: Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with Pete wolf Camp. That's me,
Speaker 3: the Resident Builder, and well, to be blunt, we're here
Speaker 3: to talk about your place. So if there's a squeaky door,
Speaker 3: which there is at my place, there's a crack in
Speaker 3: the window sill, which there is at my place, whether
Speaker 3: there's maybe some spouting that I need to address, all
Speaker 3: of these things. If it's happening at my place, chances
Speaker 3: are it's happening at your place as well. And we
Speaker 3: can talk about it, but more importantly, perhaps I can
Speaker 3: give you a bit of guidance as to how to
Speaker 3: tackle the project, the scope of the project, or maybe
Speaker 3: even what happens if you don't do the project. So
Speaker 3: the lines are open. The number to call is oh,
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. You can text as well,
Speaker 3: so you're off the blocks very quickly. Text coming in
Speaker 3: before the show starts, which is awesome. Nine to two
Speaker 3: nine two is the text number, and if you'd like
Speaker 3: to email me, it's Pete at newstalksb dot co dot
Speaker 3: m Z. So we're fast approaching crikey at the end
Speaker 3: of November already December, lou Well. Next Sunday will be
Speaker 3: the first of December. Already, Christmas is not that far away,
Speaker 3: and typically you know, in terms of what we do
Speaker 3: around the house, we're starting to either think about trying
Speaker 3: to get some jobs done before Christmas, so that classic
Speaker 3: Christmas rush. If you talk to trades people, they pack
Speaker 3: up on this at different times in the year. You know,
Speaker 3: if things are good, if things are buoyant, let's say,
Speaker 3: people tradinges will often talk about the Christmas rush starting
Speaker 3: and sort of September October. If it's not so buoyant,
Speaker 3: then maybe the Christmas rush in November. And if it's
Speaker 3: really grim out there, well the Christmas rush just doesn't
Speaker 3: come at all, and there's not that pressure to get
Speaker 3: things done. But if you've got a project that you'd
Speaker 3: like to get sorted out prior to Christmas, might be
Speaker 3: some tidying up of a deck or adding a deck,
Speaker 3: might be a couple of projects inside the house, whatever
Speaker 3: it is that's going on at your place. From a
Speaker 3: building construction legislative point of view, we can talk all
Speaker 3: things building and construction. Just briefly. I had the privilege
Speaker 3: actually of an m seeing in a dinner last night.
Speaker 3: The dinner was to celebrate forty years of clear Water Construction,
Speaker 3: reasonably large firm in the Auckland area. They're active and
Speaker 3: actually they're active around the country as well, and so
Speaker 3: you know, forty years of any business in New Zealand
Speaker 3: is worth celebrating. Forty years in the construction sect sets
Speaker 3: them aside from a number of companies that come and go.
Speaker 3: So it was a tremendous quite sincerely trimming this honor
Speaker 3: on my part to be invited to MC and to
Speaker 3: be part of the festivities and part of the celebration,
Speaker 3: and it was a tremendous night. So I really appreciated
Speaker 3: that it did go on a little bit longer. As
Speaker 3: an MC, I wasn't particularly good at keeping things on time,
Speaker 3: which is not that great from my point of view.
Speaker 3: But there was a lot to talk about, and there
Speaker 3: was a lot of people that wanted to catch up,
Speaker 3: and in this instance being able to invite back the
Speaker 3: very first apprentice of clear Water Construction from forty years
Speaker 3: ago and some of the first employees and people have
Speaker 3: been with the firm for thirty years. That says a
Speaker 3: lot about the company as well. So it was a
Speaker 3: great night out. It just mean I got a home
Speaker 3: a little bit later, and after a reasonably busy day.
Speaker 3: I sound a little bit tired today. There's a reason
Speaker 3: for that. Not to worry. I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 3: I do every Sunday to share some insights, to share
Speaker 3: some of my passion basically for building and construction. So
Speaker 3: we'll talk all things building in construction. We are out
Speaker 3: of here a little bit early this morning, as it
Speaker 3: was last week before the All Blacks played France. Today
Speaker 3: the All Blacks take on Italy and that match will
Speaker 3: kick off just after nine o'clock, so we will hand
Speaker 3: over to our commentary team for live coverage of that
Speaker 3: match from around eight forty five this morning, which means
Speaker 3: we will bring Rid in a little bit earlier. We
Speaker 3: don't have any guests or interviews lined up for today,
Speaker 3: so it's basically your chance to have stretch our legs
Speaker 3: and have a decent conversation about anything that might be
Speaker 3: a focus for you. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
Speaker 3: the number to call. Looking forward to your calls, your
Speaker 3: conversations here at Newstalk stb let me. I'll tell you
Speaker 3: what Sue. I'll come to your text in a moment.
Speaker 3: But let's get funny. This was something we would talking
Speaker 3: about yesterday, you know. I mean, you go to a
Speaker 3: building company's fortieth anniversary and typically you end up talking
Speaker 3: about building and this issue came up yesterday as well. John,
Speaker 3: A very good morning to you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, good morning, Peter, John.
Speaker 6: John.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The problem is a calling on behalf of my.
Speaker 8: Kid's sister, who's had an art studio built thirty squares meters.
Speaker 8: There was some bad weather during construction, I believe, and
Speaker 8: mold has now appeared along the frame work on the inside.
Speaker 8: It was just retracting a little bit.
Speaker 9: It was shut up for two weeks for some reason,
Speaker 9: and that came back and there are these mold streaks
Speaker 9: down where the framing is against the ply fly lining.
Speaker 9: They've now ripped the line out, taken the bats out.
Speaker 9: Her concern is that she gets rid of it and
Speaker 9: it doesn't grow again.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Now, can I ask a sort of tangential
Speaker 3: question to this that I'm a bit curious about. So
Speaker 3: if it's you, we're very specific about calling it a
Speaker 3: studio and thirty square meter, So can I presume it
Speaker 3: was a building perhaps that was built without necessarily requiring
Speaker 3: a building consent?
Speaker 5: Correct?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 3: Bubbling away behind the scenes of these sorts of conversations
Speaker 3: are a lot of conversations and discussions about what's going
Speaker 3: to happen when we remove the requirement for a building
Speaker 3: consent from you know, a larger number of buildings, and
Speaker 3: how do we ensure quality?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 3: So I suspect in this instance, and I don't want
Speaker 3: to be disparaging perhaps if the people that did the building,
Speaker 3: but you know, if you don't have the checks and
Speaker 3: balances for from by having a building consent and having inspections.
Speaker 3: How do you then all of the responsibility for quality
Speaker 3: control falls on the builder. Now, most builders will still
Speaker 3: be you know, professional and diligent and build the building
Speaker 3: in accordance with the building Code and with the Building
Speaker 3: Act and so on. I just wonder whether in this
Speaker 3: instance here, you know, for example, once they actually once
Speaker 3: they removed the lining, on the inside there was insulation
Speaker 3: and on the outside of the timber framing there was
Speaker 3: a vapor barrier, a wrap, a building rap, and before
Speaker 3: you got to the cladding. So it's not like the
Speaker 3: cladding was direct fixed with no building paper. Okay, so
Speaker 3: this building paper.
Speaker 5: There, building paper and outside clearing of ply yep, then
Speaker 5: bats and then an inside.
Speaker 9: Layer of ply.
Speaker 3: Yeah okay, So look, the chances are it'll be a
Speaker 3: combination of things. One is, you know, potentially during the
Speaker 3: construction the framing got wet, which is not uncommon. So again,
Speaker 3: one of the things that happens before we have a
Speaker 3: pre lining or a pre lining inspection includes testing the
Speaker 3: moisture content of the timber framing. Now, a piece of
Speaker 3: timber that sat outside in a packet then gets cut
Speaker 3: into studs and knogs nailed together, closed in for a
Speaker 3: brief period of time and will have a certain amount
Speaker 3: of moisture. So in order to get a pre line
Speaker 3: inspection done, you need to have that moisture content down
Speaker 3: to at least below twenty percent, ideally about eighteen percent,
Speaker 3: and you test that and if you don't achieve that,
Speaker 3: then you fail your pre line inspection. You can't line.
Speaker 3: Now if there's no inspector and the contractor might not
Speaker 3: have their own moisture, they'll frame it up, they'll throw
Speaker 3: some insulation into there, and then they will line it
Speaker 3: and potentially that plywood, if they haven't stored that or
Speaker 3: sourced that correctly, that might also have absorbed some moisture.
Speaker 3: So if the building is already saturated, then yes, and
Speaker 3: then it gets closed up for a period of time
Speaker 3: so there's an adequate ventilation, you will get mold growth.
Speaker 3: And I wonder whether that's the case. So in terms
Speaker 3: of solving the problem, what I would suggest is, now
Speaker 3: if all of the lining has been removed, and that
Speaker 3: seems like a real shame, doesn't it. I mean, you've
Speaker 3: you know, plywood's expensive, and then you've you've put it
Speaker 3: on and then you've ripped it off just because you
Speaker 3: couldn't be patient around getting the frame out of right, Well,
Speaker 3: it wasn't ripped off, Okay, so its screw fixed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we'll go back on again. So it's not
Speaker 5: sitting in the building at the moment sort of drying out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, the best thing to do would be to get
Speaker 3: your hands on a moisture meter right now. The ones
Speaker 3: that the council inspectors use cost about twelve to fifteen
Speaker 3: hundred bucks and they're carefully calibrated. Maybe I shouldn't say this,
Speaker 3: but I bought one on trade b for twenty dollars
Speaker 3: and when I've tagged along behind the building inspectors, my
Speaker 3: readings have been within one percentage point of theirs. Right,
Speaker 3: So if they're getting a twenty three percent reading and
Speaker 3: I use my twenty dollars trade me special, I might
Speaker 3: get almost the same results. So ideally you would say
Speaker 3: to the contractor, I want to install a dehumidifier. I
Speaker 3: want to dry out the fabric.
Speaker 10: Of the.
Speaker 3: Timber, and then let's do the lining only when it
Speaker 3: reaches at a very minimum twenty degrees. The insulation is
Speaker 3: that does it feel saturated?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: I don't think so. Okare in mind, this is heresaying
Speaker 5: on my path.
Speaker 3: Yeah sure, Okay, Well, let's assume that the insulation has
Speaker 3: been able to dry out and feels dry and is dry,
Speaker 3: so that could be reinstalled. The plywood could be put
Speaker 3: back on. I would test the ply as well. Again,
Speaker 3: if the plywood is saturated, then yeah, that's not going
Speaker 3: to be any good. And then going forward, there's an
Speaker 3: issue for something like a studio, how do you build
Speaker 3: it in such a way that you can maintain some
Speaker 3: ventilation in it even if it's got sort of intermittent occupancy.
Speaker 3: Let's say so in some cases you might want to
Speaker 3: install a ventilation system, just a passive or a passive
Speaker 3: ventilation system, as in having cross ventilation windows on either
Speaker 3: side that you can leave partially open but still secure
Speaker 3: to allow airflow. Or you might have a small fan
Speaker 3: that just runs constantly to allow for airflow. They they
Speaker 3: pose a few challenges those sorts of buildings that have,
Speaker 3: like I say, intermittent occupancy. Right, but it'll ninety percent sure,
Speaker 3: it'll be excessive moisture in the framing and that's then
Speaker 3: saturated through the lining, and that's where your mold growth
Speaker 3: comes from.
Speaker 11: Right, So once it's dry and it all put back together.
Speaker 11: Is the mold's being cleaned off with whatever? Is that
Speaker 11: mold likely to grow again or is it the problem?
Speaker 3: It would be worth trying to deal to the spores
Speaker 3: of the mold which will be still in the fiber
Speaker 3: of the timber. So basically an ammonia type based mold
Speaker 3: killer you would go through, maybe let it dry out
Speaker 3: as much as you possibly can, treat all of the surfaces,
Speaker 3: just with a spray bottle or something like that, just
Speaker 3: to knock that back. I presume the timber is treated timber, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it's really hard to buy untreated framing timber
Speaker 3: these days. Is there any concern of any decay starting
Speaker 3: in the timbers? It's relatively new, isn't it.
Speaker 12: Okay, Yeah, yep, definitely.
Speaker 3: The main thing is to be absolutely confident that the
Speaker 3: moisture content is below twenty percent, ideally about eighteen percent,
Speaker 3: between seventeen and eighteen percent, and then go ahead and
Speaker 3: do the lining and the same for the plywood.
Speaker 6: Right, Okay, That to me seems.
Speaker 5: Ceremonia base.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just just a mold killer of some description. You
Speaker 3: could just buy exit mold or something like that and
Speaker 3: just spray that around the timber framing beforehand, and then
Speaker 3: let that dry out again and then go ahead and
Speaker 3: do the lining. But then long term, ideally, you know,
Speaker 3: for a building like that, you need to make provision
Speaker 3: for some sort of ventilation or some sort of heating
Speaker 3: that means that it doesn't cool down to a point
Speaker 3: where mold growth is encouraged. A small one that I
Speaker 3: built a couple of years ago, which I wanted to be,
Speaker 3: you know, to a certain standard, right, I ended up
Speaker 3: it actually had a concrete slab. I did under tile heating,
Speaker 3: and I've set that at a very very low temperature
Speaker 3: fifteen degrees for example, and the undertile heating will will
Speaker 3: come on and just raise keep the temperature inside the
Speaker 3: room at a point where it doesn't encourage mold growth,
Speaker 3: so it doesn't get too cold in there. And I've
Speaker 3: also got ventilation in that space. Okay, yeah, all right,
Speaker 3: all right, sorry to hear that. It's an interesting situation,
Speaker 3: and you know, just asn't aside the reason I was
Speaker 3: quite curious as to who built it and under what
Speaker 3: regulatory regime is. You know, there are lots of voices
Speaker 3: within the building sector saying, look, if we're going to
Speaker 3: put all of the responsibility essentially for quality control on
Speaker 3: contractors without having counsel, are we going to be confident
Speaker 3: as consumers that we will get the quality that we want?
Speaker 3: And I think unfortunately your sister's example is one where
Speaker 3: a contractor hasn't then taken the same level of care
Speaker 3: as they might do if they were getting a building inspection,
Speaker 3: and this is the result.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can see where you're coming from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, And I'm saying that as one that actually
Speaker 3: sees some benefit to removing some of the regulatory input
Speaker 3: into building what should And one of the words they
Speaker 3: use often is low risk. Right, So a building like
Speaker 3: that is relatively low risk, but the impact of it
Speaker 3: being moldy or damp is still fairly significant for whoever
Speaker 3: PI is that building?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 3: Definitely, is there actually low risk?
Speaker 6: Maybe?
Speaker 3: Not nice of you to call John Hope. That helps
Speaker 3: my pleasure. All the very best, Skapo. Then, ah, man,
Speaker 3: I've got one guy that I know listens to the
Speaker 3: show who will be ringing me on Monday to go.
Speaker 3: I told you so, I'll wait you call. It is
Speaker 3: six twenty four here at News Talk CP. We'll talk
Speaker 3: to Jason in a moment and we'll get to Sue's
Speaker 3: texts straight after the break as well. Radio. Let's take
Speaker 3: a quick look at this text from Sue morning, Pete.
Speaker 3: Appreciate that you've covered this, but please can you clarify
Speaker 3: for me? For a friend who has a normal timber
Speaker 3: fence between a neighbor and him, and then the neighbor
Speaker 3: has planted a tree fence or a hedge on his
Speaker 3: property around the entire property for privacy. Unfortunately, this has
Speaker 3: now grown to a height where my friend needs to
Speaker 3: have the light on in his kitchen and laundry and
Speaker 3: may now be forced into install a skylight. The neighbor
Speaker 3: did agree to trim, but did basically didn't trim it enough,
Speaker 3: said that it would ruin the esthetics to have just
Speaker 3: a few meters of tree fence cut back to a
Speaker 3: timber fence line. Have looked at the Fencing Act, can't
Speaker 3: find anything in it. What can a friend do? We
Speaker 3: had Ben Johnson, who's a lawyer, a property lawyer specializing
Speaker 3: this sort of thing on the program a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks ago. Actually it's my intention to get him back
Speaker 3: because he was very good and there's a lot more
Speaker 3: to cover. Where you should be looking is in terms
Speaker 3: of the Property Act, which sets out rights and responsibilities
Speaker 3: around tree heights and that sort of thing, and you
Speaker 3: can use the Property Act to enforce you know, if
Speaker 3: there was an agreement to say, yep, I'm going to plant,
Speaker 3: but I'm going to maintain it to such and such
Speaker 3: a height, then you can enforce that. But it does
Speaker 3: become a legal thing. So it's really about rights and
Speaker 3: responsibilities under the Property Act rather than the Fence Act,
Speaker 3: because ultimately it's not a fence. So that hopefully will
Speaker 3: give you some guidance. And like I say, I'll I'll
Speaker 3: reach out to Ben this week, so if he's got
Speaker 3: some time again before Christmas, we talked a lot about fencing.
Speaker 3: Maybe we've talked about about the Property Act sometime before Christmas.
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
Speaker 3: to call. Hello, Jason, how are you.
Speaker 4: I'm great?
Speaker 11: Good?
Speaker 4: Thanks? Yeah, longtime listener, first time caller. Sure, Yeah. What
Speaker 4: happened last week? As I had because our work night shift,
Speaker 4: I accidentally fell over in the shower and I've put
Speaker 4: my foot through I don't know what it is. It's
Speaker 4: in the in the shower. I've put my foot through
Speaker 4: the bottom of the structure.
Speaker 3: Inside the shower, outside the shower.
Speaker 4: Inside the shower, So it's what a proof the structure.
Speaker 4: I put my foot through the bottom of it. I've
Speaker 4: landed on my side. I'm fine now because there's the
Speaker 4: step up where you Yeah, there's a step, so I
Speaker 4: fall it on my side. But it's the hole in.
Speaker 13: The what do you call it?
Speaker 4: The shower? Waterproof? Can I fix it myself? I've all
Speaker 4: do you inform the landlord about this? And he was
Speaker 4: more worried about me. But there's that I can't. I
Speaker 4: can't have a shower because a little hole in the
Speaker 4: bottom of the shower.
Speaker 3: To be fair, I've I mean, I know sometimes shower
Speaker 3: bases can crack and and that sort of thing, but
Speaker 3: to actually put your foot through one is a little
Speaker 3: bit extraordinary. Saying that.
Speaker 4: What happened was, you know, because I work night shift,
Speaker 4: I decided, because I'm having a few drinks, I'm going
Speaker 4: to have a shower. I have a shower, and then bang.
Speaker 3: It happens. Right when when you let the landlord know again,
Speaker 3: I've done plenty of work looking after rental properties, right,
Speaker 3: and so I would have thought the landlord would take
Speaker 3: responsibility for the repair for two reasons. One, you know,
Speaker 3: it doesn't sound like it was malicious damage, so it
Speaker 3: wasn't intentional. And the other thing is that, in terms
Speaker 3: of ensuring that the work is done to a standard
Speaker 3: that the landlord would be happy with, it would be
Speaker 3: better if the landlord took responsibility for the repair. The
Speaker 3: other thing is, so is it like a PVC or
Speaker 3: a fiberglass lining, have a glass or okay, so you
Speaker 3: know to do the repair on that, essentially you're going
Speaker 3: to have to take the doors off, take the wall
Speaker 3: lining off, replace the tray, and then reinstall all of that.
Speaker 3: You know, there's there's quite a bit of work involved
Speaker 3: in repairing them, and you know, whether you've got the
Speaker 3: equipment or to be blunt, the knowledge to do it.
Speaker 3: I would have thought that it would be in the
Speaker 3: interests of the landlord to coordinate the repair. They might
Speaker 3: even be able to make an insurance claim on it,
Speaker 3: but then at least they are confident that the work
Speaker 3: could be done to a suitable standard and perhaps by
Speaker 3: a professional. So I would have thought the landlord would
Speaker 3: just go, look, really sorry to hear that. I'll send
Speaker 3: some people this week. What was the landlord's response.
Speaker 4: He was more concerned because I landed on my side
Speaker 4: on that lip. Yeah, to step into the shower, I
Speaker 4: landed on my side at the same time I put
Speaker 4: my foot through the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it still doesn't I mean, I get that,
Speaker 3: and I understand it's great that the landlord's concerned about
Speaker 3: your well being, as they should be. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, you've now got a non functioning shower and
Speaker 3: you've got to repair that. If it's not done properly,
Speaker 3: could potentially mean that the shower will leak and cause
Speaker 3: further damage long term. So look, I I it was
Speaker 3: if I was in your landlord situation, then I would
Speaker 3: be very very much thinking I'd rather send my own
Speaker 3: people in to repair it, because in the end, I'm
Speaker 3: responsible for it and it's my asset and I want
Speaker 3: to make sure that it's done well. So I would say,
Speaker 3: if you know now that you're over the shock of it,
Speaker 3: I'd be in touch with the landlord and go, okay,
Speaker 3: let's talk about when your tradespeople are coming to fix it.
Speaker 3: That's the approach that I would probably take. Jason. I
Speaker 3: hope that you're not too badly injured after that as well.
Speaker 3: All the best with that oh, eight hundred eighty ten
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. Maverick.
Speaker 14: Good morning to you, Good morning Pete very well.
Speaker 7: Oh it's good to hear.
Speaker 5: Well, it's a.
Speaker 7: Sunday and if we're not well.
Speaker 3: On Sunday, absolutely, how can I help.
Speaker 7: I've got a good mate. He's a pharmacist and he's
Speaker 7: poured his life savings into a basically a sixty foot
Speaker 7: phar is cement yacht, right, twenty two tons, and.
Speaker 4: It's in good neck.
Speaker 7: It leads a bit of towel see. But he got
Speaker 7: it for sixty grand. It was a real steal, you know.
Speaker 7: If you had to build it today would be a
Speaker 7: million dollars plus. It's built for cook straight conditions, so
Speaker 7: it's it's a heavy boat, twenty two tons. He hadn't
Speaker 7: washed months ago, and and behold most of the ny
Speaker 7: felly came off.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, Surprisingly he's got no money, you know, because
Speaker 3: he's spent it all on a sixty thousand dollars yacht.
Speaker 7: Yep, yeah yeah, And so he's borrowed a heap of money.
Speaker 7: He paying twenty two per blah blah blah. Oh yeah,
Speaker 7: I know, I know. Dream Yeah, and yourself employed he's
Speaker 7: a pharmacist selling mw zeualman made sunscreen. And of course
Speaker 7: no one's got any money to protect themselves anymore.
Speaker 13: So yeah, so he's.
Speaker 7: He's he's a pharmacist. He's got no practical experience. I've
Speaker 7: got a little bit, but not enough on a concrete hole.
Speaker 7: So what I was thinking, and this is what I
Speaker 7: wanted to bounce off you or in recent is ree
Speaker 7: coming in today?
Speaker 15: No?
Speaker 3: No, you mean now, Raisin, guys, Jay and Bryce, Yeah,
Speaker 3: no not today.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because of the game you go the all blacks.
Speaker 7: So what I was thinking, Pete was diluting the primer
Speaker 7: for the first coat and then putting a full primer
Speaker 7: on and sending it and then put two coats of
Speaker 7: any fell on top of that.
Speaker 3: I think your methodology is correct in the sense that
Speaker 3: you know, once you've cleaned it, you need to apply
Speaker 3: a primer which is going to be your key coat
Speaker 3: that's going to bond your surface coats to it. But look,
Speaker 3: I think you would be better served, given that this
Speaker 3: is actually really important for the performance of the boat
Speaker 3: and those sorts of things, is to go, you know,
Speaker 3: go along to maybe just get on the phone to Razine,
Speaker 3: for example, to their technical team. I'm thinking we did
Speaker 3: a little giveaway for Razine Construction a little while ago
Speaker 3: because Razine Paints themselves are involved in the coating systems
Speaker 3: for the America's cupboats. Right, so I would go off
Speaker 3: and get some expert advice for your mate from Razine.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: The hard thing is these paints and these systems are well,
Speaker 3: they're quite expensive, right, And if he was to go
Speaker 3: you know, oh, look, I'm just going to use some
Speaker 3: regular old primer and a bit of you know, paving
Speaker 3: paint or something like that, he's not going to get
Speaker 3: a great result. So it's it's going to be very
Speaker 3: specific paints applied in a very specific way in order
Speaker 3: to get you know, the performance out of the system
Speaker 3: that you need. So and I mean, look, I know
Speaker 3: it's got nothing to do with with me or or
Speaker 3: even with you. In a sense. It's his money and
Speaker 3: he can do with it what he wants. But borrowing
Speaker 3: money on a boat and then at incredibly high rates,
Speaker 3: and it's just got disaster and all over it. There
Speaker 3: was a guy around the corner had a boat sitting
Speaker 3: on his front lawn for about two years before you
Speaker 3: could see he just kind of gave up with it
Speaker 3: and shipped it off, you know, pardon the pun.
Speaker 4: I had.
Speaker 7: And it was on the rocks for six months, and
Speaker 7: then the council finally got adam patient with me because
Speaker 7: I had no money, I was sick ass and I'm
Speaker 7: the superent. So they chopped it up old hundred years old,
Speaker 7: carry right and dump all the wood.
Speaker 4: Dump it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it could have would have made beautiful recycled furniture.
Speaker 3: Plenty of recycled well, yeah, there's a reasonable amount of
Speaker 3: recycled would out there. Look, it's you know, I wish
Speaker 3: you make well and good on you for helping out.
Speaker 3: But I think I would I would go off and
Speaker 3: get very specific technical advice around the coating systems that
Speaker 3: you need to apply.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but no idea will to do that. But you're
Speaker 7: looking at two grand plus for it boat, just for
Speaker 7: paint little later.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, but that's the cost of buying a boat.
Speaker 3: That's why I have a boat.
Speaker 7: You got plenty.
Speaker 3: Suh been out for ages. Hey, good luck with it all, eh,
Speaker 3: all the best you take care other than are you
Speaker 3: and your stalk se bek that's a bit of a
Speaker 3: writer passage. And you buy something, Oh, look, I plenty
Speaker 3: had plenty of old motorbikes and all the rest of
Speaker 3: it over the year, so I can't judge, oh, eight
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty, but the cool text comes through,
Speaker 3: be cheaper to put the boat back on the market
Speaker 3: and take the hit. You're probably not wrong. A couple
Speaker 3: of questions about body corporates and one request here are
Speaker 3: you able to get a spray expert on to discuss
Speaker 3: different makes and applications. I presume you're talking about the
Speaker 3: discussion we had around you spraying to treat mold, for example.
Speaker 3: So that was our first caller talking about the studio
Speaker 3: which was brand new, recently built and then had mold
Speaker 3: appearing on the surface. I think it's to do with
Speaker 3: the timber framing being saturated because nobody checked the timber,
Speaker 3: the moisture contients of the timber. So once you've got
Speaker 3: it dry, can you treat some of that. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's lots of proprietary, you know, on the shelf products
Speaker 3: in terms of exit mold and a whole bunch of others.
Speaker 3: There's bleaches. There's actually sort of more eco friendly options
Speaker 3: in terms of vinegar and baking soda and those sorts
Speaker 3: of things that will also take care of mold. So
Speaker 3: find it the appropriate treatment, treat it, let it dry out.
Speaker 3: Carry on from there would be the answer. We'll come
Speaker 3: back and talk Body Corporate in a moment for this
Speaker 3: text message, but we have time for your calls right
Speaker 3: now as well. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
Speaker 3: number to call. I was just listening to the interview
Speaker 3: that Kerry did with Assistant Commissioner Paul Basham. And in
Speaker 3: a small, small world, I went to school with Paul.
Speaker 3: I can still remember actually chatting over the woodwork table
Speaker 3: form two woodwork.
Speaker 12: There you go.
Speaker 3: Back in the day. What was that nineteen seventy nine
Speaker 3: And as a kid, actually he knew what he knew
Speaker 3: absolutely what he wanted to do. He's a lovely guy.
Speaker 3: We caught up for a drink last year sometime. He
Speaker 3: happened to be in Auckland, so yeah, nice to hear
Speaker 3: his voice on the radio ridioh fourteen minutes fifteen Yeah,
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes away from seven O. Eight hundred eighty ten
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. I've got a very
Speaker 3: long and involved text about leaky buildings and neighboring property
Speaker 3: and so on. I'll try and get to that, but
Speaker 3: I think my short answer is going to be this
Speaker 3: is going to become a legal matter that you're going
Speaker 3: to have to deal with. But i'll come back to
Speaker 3: that in just a moment. Rose A very good morning
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 16: Oh yes, thank you for taking my call. I have
Speaker 16: purchased a batch by the sea, and a lot of
Speaker 16: the nails are coming through on not good renovations that
Speaker 16: have been done in the past, and they're coming through
Speaker 16: all rusty, and a few of them. I got a
Speaker 16: stainless steel brush and brushed the top of them and
Speaker 16: got the rust off. But it's coming through the paint,
Speaker 16: and I wondered if there's any easy way to fix it,
Speaker 16: or if they can be facts. There's quite a few
Speaker 16: around the outside of the building nails that have rusted.
Speaker 3: And you're saying that this is from a recent renovation.
Speaker 16: I don't know how recent. I have just purchased the property,
Speaker 16: but I think over time, haven't you stained the steel
Speaker 16: nails for their renovations.
Speaker 3: What's the type of cladding? Oh, I don't know what
Speaker 3: type with the boards or a version of weather.
Speaker 16: Boards, a version of where the boards and some words.
Speaker 5: Right, Okay, and then we're the boards.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the surface, the outside surface of the building
Speaker 3: is painted. It's all painted. It's not stained or anything
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 16: It's all painted. And the raft is coming through the
Speaker 16: paint and dribble them down.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, you know, one concern might be that
Speaker 3: they've used brads when they're fixing some of those weather
Speaker 3: boards on or some of that cladding. And if you
Speaker 3: just well even if you use galvanized brads that don't
Speaker 3: last particularly well in a in a sea environment with
Speaker 3: sea salt. To be fair, I've seen believe it or not,
Speaker 3: rusting out of stainless steel brads. I don't know how
Speaker 3: that happens, but I've seen it. I think what you've
Speaker 3: got to kind of do is go along punch, so
Speaker 3: I presume all of the nails were fastened and then
Speaker 3: punched and then filled and then painted over that stright, okay,
Speaker 3: coming through literally it's a really time consuming process where
Speaker 3: you go through, use a nail punch to drive the
Speaker 3: nail in a little bit further, then use a very
Speaker 3: small brush with some rust kill paint on it, so
Speaker 3: a specific rust kill paint, and then dab that or
Speaker 3: dab that into the aperture right into the where you've
Speaker 3: punched the nail. Essentially try and fill that almost with
Speaker 3: paint and then apply some filler, send that back and
Speaker 3: then repaint the exterior. And there's no guarantee that after
Speaker 3: a pair of of time it won't come back, because
Speaker 3: it most likely will. But that's the most basic treatment
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 16: Well, it hasn't happened to all of them, and some
Speaker 16: of some of the nails are not ones that I
Speaker 16: can punch in the big the big.
Speaker 3: Knobs on the end, okay, yep, yeah, And so with.
Speaker 16: Those I sanded. I did too, and I sanded all
Speaker 16: those right down and got it off. But that was very,
Speaker 16: very time consuming, and I can't push those in because
Speaker 16: I've got the big knobs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. So if it's a flat head or a
Speaker 3: rosehead nail, it's designed to sit proud on the surface, right,
Speaker 3: So in that instance there a wire brush is probably
Speaker 3: a bit easier to use than a bit of sandpaper
Speaker 3: wirebrush to expose the surface and remove as much rust
Speaker 3: as possible, apply some rust kill paint to the to
Speaker 3: the surface, and then paint over again. Might be with
Speaker 3: if you're talking with someone at the paint shop about
Speaker 3: applying a rust converter which will neutralize the rust, and
Speaker 3: then applying an anti corrosive primer or paint over the
Speaker 3: top of that, and then applying your top coat over that.
Speaker 3: Whether or not the rust converter in conjunction with a
Speaker 3: primer makes any big difference in terms of how quickly
Speaker 3: the rust will come back, but I'd say just and
Speaker 3: be very generous when you're doing you know, knock the
Speaker 3: top back, get rid of the rust, and then apply
Speaker 3: lots of paint. The thicker the paint coating that you
Speaker 3: can put on there, the better it's going to be.
Speaker 3: And then obviously you've got to be a bit careful
Speaker 3: when you apply more paint over the top that when
Speaker 3: you're doing your sanding in between coats, you don't stand
Speaker 3: off what you've just applied. So look, it's a terribly
Speaker 3: labor intensive process. That's the reason we've got radios is
Speaker 3: that you know, while you're doing this work, you can
Speaker 3: be listening to the radio and distract yourself from the
Speaker 3: task ahead.
Speaker 16: Yes, I did too, and it did take a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Ok, that's pretty much the way to go. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, the other possibility maybe with some of those
Speaker 3: flathead or rose head nails. Is you might be able
Speaker 3: to get them out with the pliers and so on,
Speaker 3: get underneath the head and pull them out and replace them.
Speaker 3: But sometimes in those cases you end up damaging the boards,
Speaker 3: and then you've got an even bigger repair job. So
Speaker 3: I wonder whether just treating it and trying to stay on.
Speaker 14: Top of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good luck with that. Thank you very all right,
Speaker 3: you take care of all the very best to you.
Speaker 3: Bye by then, Hey Craig, good morning to you. Game
Speaker 3: bad thanks yourself.
Speaker 12: I could complain, but then you're told off the complaining.
Speaker 3: That's right, And what's the classic like no one I
Speaker 3: would complain, but no one listens. Yeah right, How can
Speaker 3: I help.
Speaker 12: You lose friends? I'll go to friend of mine who's
Speaker 12: in an apartment building four apartments in Hamilton. It's four, sorry,
Speaker 12: five double story apartments side by side and like a
Speaker 12: little complex with security gates and all that, and behind
Speaker 12: his number, he's around the middle. Behind him his unit,
Speaker 12: he's got like a little out, like a little closet
Speaker 12: on the outside of the building and it has all
Speaker 12: the alarms in that for the entire site, for all
Speaker 12: the other apartments in there, but the door's never locked
Speaker 12: and it hasn't been lyned. You gets a lot of
Speaker 12: conversation there, so he call doesn't have a look at
Speaker 12: that because they're problems with his alarm. I pointed out
Speaker 12: to him that you need to talk bad about But
Speaker 12: then that twur issues we had too, is where I
Speaker 12: turned the power of his breaker in the garage because
Speaker 12: he had a couple of mstis he kept flicking all
Speaker 12: the time, so I turned the power off and replaced
Speaker 12: them and found out that when we did that, it
Speaker 12: dropped the power to the main security game in the
Speaker 12: complex along with all the alarms, and I had to
Speaker 12: inform them that I'm sorry, but your apartments seems to
Speaker 12: be powering the security gate and ever runs alarms and
Speaker 12: all the other houses. Yeah, there's no board, a, no body,
Speaker 12: paris just all in one. But before we found the fuse,
Speaker 12: I mean found that out, I brought our company. Here's
Speaker 12: a ground ped entarning radar of little trolley things I
Speaker 12: brought into try and find where the duck we're out
Speaker 12: to the gator, so maybe try and narrow down from
Speaker 12: and try and make it a little bit easier for
Speaker 12: having to go back to the people you water from.
Speaker 12: And we found that from the foot path to about
Speaker 12: two meters and from the footpath in the driveway there's
Speaker 12: no reinforcing, right, Yeah, because I was I was following
Speaker 12: the pipe down the drive and you could see the
Speaker 12: reinforcing on the screen like water pipe all that and
Speaker 12: then like hang on with the reinforcing go. So I
Speaker 12: was wondering what has comeback for that is because I
Speaker 12: would have thought you would have had to have reinforce
Speaker 12: it bully to the end of the driveway, but it's
Speaker 12: like about two meters from the end, it's just nothing,
Speaker 12: all the pipes and everything. But yeah, it's like they
Speaker 12: put it in there and gone inspect and pulled it
Speaker 12: out again.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's like yeah they yeah, I look.
Speaker 3: That sort of thing happens. Or you know, if they
Speaker 3: doing a poor and the trucks drive down the driveway
Speaker 3: to pour from the furthest end, you know, sometimes you
Speaker 3: take the mesh out and maybe in that instance they
Speaker 3: didn't put it back in. Look, I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: trying to get some redress now would just be a
Speaker 3: torturous project. I'd put that in the too hard basket.
Speaker 3: The other thing, to be fair though, is in some
Speaker 3: instances it applies more to crossings, So council often don't
Speaker 3: want you to put mesh into a crossing when you
Speaker 3: pour in concrete there. They just want it to be
Speaker 3: thicker so that if they even need to cut it up,
Speaker 3: it's a lot easier to do if there's no mesh
Speaker 3: in it. So maybe there was a requirement not to
Speaker 3: have mesh there. I take it from the way that
Speaker 3: you're talking about your mate's place that you've got some
Speaker 3: electrical experience and are able to offer up an advice.
Speaker 12: Yeah. Yeah, that brings up to another whole thing. And
Speaker 12: you were talking about that granifrat before, and yeah, the
Speaker 12: studio and all that. We see that industry too, Like
Speaker 12: I'm electrically qualified, but I've also data caban and security. Yes,
Speaker 12: and we find all the time that we got all qualifications,
Speaker 12: but Sparky's can do data caban and security without any
Speaker 12: your real qualifications. And we get caught in quite a
Speaker 12: lot of times because Sparker do a whole on data
Speaker 12: caving for our building. We'll walk in there and go
Speaker 12: really and it's just been done poorly, not understanding, but
Speaker 12: unfortunately there's no comeback. So it's kind of like in
Speaker 12: some ways with LOSNS builders and people building these new grenefits.
Speaker 12: I suppose really you get all the people who are qualified,
Speaker 12: and then you get people that are already qualified doing
Speaker 12: and then it sort of starts giving everything that's a
Speaker 12: bad name, which is quite sadly, but yeah, it's happens
Speaker 12: here all the time.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to disagree with you on that, you know,
Speaker 3: and I think this tremendous opportunity. I was talking to
Speaker 3: young guys thinking about doing electrical apprenticeship and I said,
Speaker 3: you know, nowadays there is also it's much broader in
Speaker 3: the sense that you've got all this opportunity to do
Speaker 3: you know, data and security and those sorts of things.
Speaker 3: So if you continue to upskill, you know, this tremendous
Speaker 3: amount of work in that area going forward.
Speaker 12: So yeah, it's never a dull day. And then working
Speaker 12: side quite a lot of its raining. Plus I mean
Speaker 12: I started out electrical when into data security and then
Speaker 12: moved into process controlled and all automation on the factories,
Speaker 12: and that's that's fun. And you've got to sit down
Speaker 12: there and work out how to program of controls to
Speaker 12: do what you want to do. So it's yeah, a
Speaker 12: lot of hit scretches sometimes to you.
Speaker 3: But that's great.
Speaker 12: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Just in regards to the electrical you're earlier. We've only
Speaker 3: got a minute or so, but your earlier comment was
Speaker 3: that in that particular unit, all of the power, the
Speaker 3: costs for the power is shared. Is that correct.
Speaker 12: Well, we turned this break, sorry, I turned this break.
Speaker 12: We're off, and then the security gates stopped working. People
Speaker 12: got stuck outside, so we had to manually open the
Speaker 12: gate to get them. And then I was doing some
Speaker 12: tracing around and found that he's got a PowerPoint in
Speaker 12: the middle of his a lounge for the TV on
Speaker 12: one wall, and I pulled the PowerPoint off and there's
Speaker 12: but a two point five go straight through the wall.
Speaker 12: And the other side of the wall was that cupboard
Speaker 12: on the outside of the building and it's got another
Speaker 12: PowerPoint in there which everything runs off. And so there's
Speaker 12: some tracing around and found out that one of us,
Speaker 12: I think the fourth breaker on his board as she
Speaker 12: runs the box out the little like lean to out
Speaker 12: the side there.
Speaker 3: So he's and he pays his own power.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Yeah, So it's all because it's all depending the owned.
Speaker 12: They all own their apartment, so for everyone else's alarm,
Speaker 12: everyone else's routers, and everyone else ends the security.
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm going to have to run for the news,
Speaker 3: but the fascinating situation to be and we're back straight
Speaker 3: after New Sporting Weather, your news talks. He'd be welcome
Speaker 3: back to the show. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call if you've got a
Speaker 3: building question that could be sort of a practical question.
Speaker 3: I had to question myself yesterday when I suddenly discovered
Speaker 3: that I had managed to adhere to my face some
Speaker 3: gorilla grip adhesive. Now, I use gorilla grip adhesive because
Speaker 3: I know it sticks like the proverbial to a blanket,
Speaker 3: which is fine. When I was trying to glue bendy
Speaker 3: ply to a elliptical frame that I had constructed, and
Speaker 3: it worked incredibly well, the old gorilla grip. In that instance,
Speaker 3: I used the one hour cure one. I did one
Speaker 3: on Friday night, one half of this ellipse elliptical shape
Speaker 3: on Friday night. I did the other on Saturday. And
Speaker 3: then when I was delivering the mystery object, I'll tell
Speaker 3: you about that a little bit later on, I discovered
Speaker 3: I sort of touched on my face and thought, oh,
Speaker 3: I wonder what that is. It's like this reasonably solid
Speaker 3: old lump. Anyway, it was the gorilla grip that's quite
Speaker 3: hard to get off your skin. I have to say. Anyway,
Speaker 3: work to treat. So we can talk about building products,
Speaker 3: what sticks and what doesn't. Eight hundred and eighty ten
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. We can talk about
Speaker 3: a little bit about legislation. I'm really intrigued by our
Speaker 3: first call, if you missed it, just after six o'clock.
Speaker 3: John was talking about calling essentially on behalf of his
Speaker 3: consistent which is lovely going. Look a thirty square meter
Speaker 3: studio that's been recently conduct constructed and it has mold
Speaker 3: on the inside whires. It got mold, and so we
Speaker 3: went through the possible scenarios and some remediation. But it
Speaker 3: does raise that issue, and I'm increasingly conflicted about it
Speaker 3: in the sense that the very strong push from the
Speaker 3: government at the moment to go, let's, you know, make
Speaker 3: things easier to build. Let's remove regulation. And along with
Speaker 3: removing regulation, we end up removing the input, let's say,
Speaker 3: from council and from council inspectors, and we put the
Speaker 3: emphasis on the quality control onto the contractors doing the work,
Speaker 3: and you know, let's have a little bit of confidence
Speaker 3: and the ability of our licensed building practitioners in order
Speaker 3: to build to the building code and to appropriate standards
Speaker 3: without having someone looking over your shoulder. It's essentially what
Speaker 3: they're saying. And so that phone call to me is
Speaker 3: kind of that slight alarm bell that goes, yeah, but
Speaker 3: can we actually be really confident? And I'm almost reluctant
Speaker 3: to say it. Can we be confident in the quality
Speaker 3: control of contractors LBPS builders doing this work without necessarily
Speaker 3: having a building consent and without having a building inspector
Speaker 3: check their work to actually deliver quality buildings. Here's a
Speaker 3: classic example of no. And I kind of am despondent
Speaker 3: that this has become a topic. You know, ideally LBPS
Speaker 3: should be competent to undertake work like this that doesn't
Speaker 3: require a building consent but still deliver quality. But here's
Speaker 3: a classic example where that hasn't happened. You may here
Speaker 3: a comic, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number
Speaker 3: to call just very quickly this, you know, in all seriousness,
Speaker 3: it's a fairly extensive text and it's got a lot
Speaker 3: of issues in it around body corporates and adjoining properties
Speaker 3: and liability and so on. So five apartments cracking leaking. Look,
Speaker 3: ultimately this is going to be a legal issue. So
Speaker 3: the challenges to find a lawyer that has experienced in
Speaker 3: this area who can offer up some decent advice around
Speaker 3: leaking remediations, who might be liable and so on again.
Speaker 3: At the event that I was at last night, that
Speaker 3: was a subject of some considerable conversation as well around liability.
Speaker 3: And you know, I took to one gentleman who has
Speaker 3: brought into an apartment where he's looking just to get
Speaker 3: some money for it, and he's just going to ditch it.
Speaker 3: It's so poorly constructed, with so many problems that there
Speaker 3: seems to be no end in sight. He's in a
Speaker 3: position where he could walk away and not ruin him,
Speaker 3: to be blunt. But of course for other occupy to
Speaker 3: this apartment block, if they were to walk away, they
Speaker 3: would face financial ruin. And that's the end result of
Speaker 3: Paul building practice. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
Speaker 3: let's talk all things building and construction here at news
Speaker 3: took se b Just a reminder too, the all blacks
Speaker 3: are playing Italy, last match of the Northern Tour that
Speaker 3: starts just after nine o'clock. So we are going to
Speaker 3: hand over to our live commentary team at around eight
Speaker 3: forty five this morning. Redclimb Passed will join us a
Speaker 3: little bit earlier, so at around eight fifteen thereabouts we'll
Speaker 3: have Rudon. We'll talk all things gardening from eight to
Speaker 3: fifteen through to eight forty five, and then ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 3: the All Blacks will be live from Italy at around
Speaker 3: just after nine o'clock. Jeremy, A very good morning to you.
Speaker 12: Good morning, Peter, morning Jeremy.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I just got a question. So if the water
Speaker 13: leaks and then it casts the wood to rotten, and
Speaker 13: then if I managed to stop the leaking, whether rotten
Speaker 13: will still continue to rot?
Speaker 3: Oh, that is a good question. Yeah, there is a
Speaker 3: potential for once decay sets in and so on, it
Speaker 3: could remain active. So typically, you know, and I'm now
Speaker 3: going to what is common practice in terms of weather
Speaker 3: tightness remediation. Right, So, if you've had a leaky building
Speaker 3: where water has got into the timber framing, the typical
Speaker 3: remediation is to identify any timber that shows sign of
Speaker 3: decay and remove that timber completely. Then sometimes the remediation
Speaker 3: people will say, look, you need to take another meter
Speaker 3: of timber out. So let's say there's a bottom plate
Speaker 3: that's rotten in one corner, and there's a meter and
Speaker 3: a half that's rotten, but they want you to go
Speaker 3: two and a half meters from the point of rot
Speaker 3: to remove all of that. And then also we're talking
Speaker 3: about treating any other timber in the vicinity with a
Speaker 3: timber preservative to ensure that that any decay doesn't continue
Speaker 3: there as well. But cutting out the rot is really
Speaker 3: really important, and cutting it out well beyond that, you know,
Speaker 3: you go, oh, well it stops here, but you're always
Speaker 3: better off cutting a bit more out.
Speaker 13: Yeah, but the problem is the wood. I mean to
Speaker 13: cut out the wood because the wood is between the
Speaker 13: my unit and the unit below, and the neighbor is
Speaker 13: not not very cooperative to want to do anything about it.
Speaker 3: So the timber that you're talking about that is rotten
Speaker 3: is in fact the floor joist between the two units. Yeah, correct, yes, right,
Speaker 3: Is any of this been like, is the repair something
Speaker 3: that you're undertaking because you know that there's a problem.
Speaker 3: Is there any building consultant, building serve council involved in
Speaker 3: this because you know, repair to a mid floor, joist
Speaker 3: between inter tendency, because there'll be fire rating issues and
Speaker 3: all those sorts of things. Really that work should have
Speaker 3: a building consent and then there should be some supervision
Speaker 3: of the work, particularly around the fire rating.
Speaker 13: Fire reading.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, if you've got a unit below you, right and
Speaker 3: you're above, there should be fire rating between the two units,
Speaker 3: right to protect from the spread of fire. And what
Speaker 3: you don't want to do is do some work which
Speaker 3: then impacts on the fire rating of that which you
Speaker 3: know in terms of if there was a fire, it
Speaker 3: could cause fatal results. Right, So fire rating and fire
Speaker 3: protection passive fire protection is really really important. So I
Speaker 3: think that it's sounding like the scale and the scope
Speaker 3: of this job is one where I think you should
Speaker 3: have professional advice and and have a scope of works
Speaker 3: created by someone who's experienced in this area, and then
Speaker 3: ideally they would supervise this work as well. And in
Speaker 3: fact I suspect you'll need a building consent for it.
Speaker 13: Yeah. Yeah, I did have some building LBP to come
Speaker 13: and have a log and then come up with the
Speaker 13: train and mad it and mitigated. But yeah, yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 13: but it's it's like, of course we do not have
Speaker 13: the detailed design of the building. It's very old building,
Speaker 13: and and we do know how how far it would
Speaker 13: go and and what's what's involved.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and.
Speaker 3: You know, from a practical point of view, so you know,
Speaker 3: I can imagine if you lift the floor out and
Speaker 3: some of those floor joists are actually rotten. It's it's
Speaker 3: it's going to be very challenging, if not almost impossible
Speaker 3: to replace those correctly without impacting on the neighbor below you. So,
Speaker 3: and I can understand the frustration from the neighbor below.
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't cause the leak. It's not my leak.
Speaker 3: But suddenly you're saying to me that I've got to
Speaker 3: move out of the apartment while you pull the ceiling
Speaker 3: down for example, you know, And I guess it's it's
Speaker 3: when these problems emerge that you can understand why there
Speaker 3: are such strict controls around internal moisture, making sure that
Speaker 3: we get good waterproofing systems and potentially overflows to ensure
Speaker 3: that in these vertical buildings where you know, there are
Speaker 3: owners stacked on top of each other, that a leak
Speaker 3: from one property doesn't affect those properties below it.
Speaker 13: So actually batter cause of beause I didn't I didn't
Speaker 13: have I mean I didn't constantly when I buy the
Speaker 13: property is already like that, so I only discover it
Speaker 13: and then try to try to do something about it then.
Speaker 13: But but in terms of course, who should better?
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, oh sure, yeah, I guess. Can
Speaker 3: I ask, did you get a building inspection, a pre
Speaker 3: purchase inspection before you bought the apartment?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 12: I did.
Speaker 13: Yeah, so the inspector did mention that the the deck
Speaker 13: my because I'm on the upper level. Yeah, so the
Speaker 13: what what the waterproofing wasn't done?
Speaker 4: Probably right? So yeah.
Speaker 13: So so so I get there some building uh people
Speaker 13: to to give me a quote or how much to
Speaker 13: do to do the repair. So so after that, uh,
Speaker 13: I negotiate with the seller and then get a lower
Speaker 13: advice to buy the property.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 13: So once I own a property, I tried to get
Speaker 13: the builder too to try and remediate the thing. But
Speaker 13: the builder just keep on delaying until until almost about
Speaker 13: one year, and then I get another one to come
Speaker 13: and see, and then he made he and he opened
Speaker 13: up part of the the below, uh, the deck below
Speaker 13: the cabin mm hmmm, below the deck, and then he
Speaker 13: found that the wood was what was wrotter.
Speaker 4: And the joys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so after that, yeah, see if if if for example, well,
Speaker 3: I mean, if you didn't get a pre purchase inspection, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, you could say I didn't know about it
Speaker 3: to your insurer and and potentially ask your insurer to
Speaker 3: cover it. But in this instance, you did know that
Speaker 3: there was some defective or there was some leaking which
Speaker 3: was then causing decay, and then took a risk to go,
Speaker 3: I'm going to purchase the property because I've been able
Speaker 3: to discount the property in order to cover the cost
Speaker 3: of the expenses. But now the cost of the expenses
Speaker 3: is probably far greater than the discount that you got
Speaker 3: from it. So I don't know that you're going to
Speaker 3: be able to get any support from anyone outside because
Speaker 3: essentially you were reasonably well informed that there was going
Speaker 3: to be a problem. Now there is a problem, it's
Speaker 3: you're going to have to fix it. And I can't
Speaker 3: see that you could go to your insurer now and go, oh, look,
Speaker 3: can I make a claim for this. It's going to
Speaker 3: be My feeling is it's going to be your responsibility. Again,
Speaker 3: I hasten to add, you know, you should probably get
Speaker 3: some proper legal advice on this, but unfortunately I can't
Speaker 3: see this ending particularly well mm hmmm, yeah, unfortunately. I'd
Speaker 3: be intrigued to know where you end up with this, Jeremy.
Speaker 13: But you know, so it is in no case, what
Speaker 13: would you do? I mean, how you would you conceed?
Speaker 3: Is there a body corporate? No, nobody cop nobody corp right?
Speaker 3: I mean the I was going to say the hard thing,
Speaker 3: it's not the hard thing. That the only right thing
Speaker 3: to do is to have a professional, like a registered
Speaker 3: building surveyor or a building consultant, come, describe the scope
Speaker 3: of the problem, identify you know why there is a problem,
Speaker 3: provide you with a specification for the mediation of that,
Speaker 3: have a licensed building practitioner undertake the work, have that
Speaker 3: work supervised by a professional. I think it's probably going
Speaker 3: to require a building consent. The concern with that is
Speaker 3: that as soon as you go to counsel for a
Speaker 3: building consent, the job is going to get much bigger
Speaker 3: and much more expensive, and all of that is going
Speaker 3: to be your is going to be at your cost,
Speaker 3: is my feeling. So you know, it's got to be
Speaker 3: done right because it impacts on the lives of other people. Right,
Speaker 3: If you don't fix the leak and it impacts on
Speaker 3: your neighbor, that's not fair on your neighbor.
Speaker 13: Fix a leak easily, but the rottenwood is the thing
Speaker 13: that is difficult to fix.
Speaker 3: Well, that almost becomes a moral issue, then, doesn't it
Speaker 3: that you could ignore it? But that doesn't feel like
Speaker 3: that's the right thing to do, in which case you
Speaker 3: then have to repair that. But again it will need
Speaker 3: specific design. You know, I wouldn't consider it to be
Speaker 3: a like for like repair, for example. It's the way
Speaker 3: in which it's got to be fixed and remediated. And
Speaker 3: to ensure that it's up to the building code is
Speaker 3: really really important.
Speaker 13: Yeah, but we do not have the design of that.
Speaker 3: No, well, there will be even if you don't have it.
Speaker 3: If the building, how old is the building?
Speaker 13: Sixty nineteen sixties?
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, so there probably won't be plans, in
Speaker 3: which case you then have to go to a designer,
Speaker 3: and it'll probably be a combination of an architectural designer,
Speaker 3: an architect or an engineer working collaboratively to come up
Speaker 3: with a scope of works. Here's the design, this is
Speaker 3: what's going to work. This is the type of timber
Speaker 3: you need to use, this is the type of fixings,
Speaker 3: this is how we brace it, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3: And then again I think that because you're essentially repairing
Speaker 3: the structural fabric of the building, it's going to require
Speaker 3: a building consent. In my opinion, once you've got the
Speaker 3: building consent, you undertake the work as per the consent
Speaker 3: and have the work signed off. But again, all of
Speaker 3: that cost, I think is going to be yours unfortunately.
Speaker 13: I mean, the neighbor doesn't need to share the cost.
Speaker 3: It's not really their problem. And again, because if there's
Speaker 3: no body corporate, then you know, you own the building
Speaker 3: and your or you own your part of the building
Speaker 3: and you're responsible for it. I would have thought, you know,
Speaker 3: sometimes in these situations where we really hope that there's
Speaker 3: an easy way, or we really hope that there's not
Speaker 3: that much work involved, I think this is a classic
Speaker 3: case where it is a big problem and it's a
Speaker 3: big solution, and big solutions unfortunately end up being expensive ones.
Speaker 3: And I can't sugar coat that for you.
Speaker 13: How much would it I mean estimate costs for that.
Speaker 3: Without seeing it and without having a scope of works
Speaker 3: and so on, I'd be loath to. You know, look,
Speaker 3: if if you can't you know from what you're describing,
Speaker 3: if it's an issue, let's go with a balcony and
Speaker 3: a cantilever and those sorts of things. If you came
Speaker 3: to me and said I've spent you know, one hundred
Speaker 3: thousand dollars, I wouldn't be surprised. But again, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm picking a figure out of the year
Speaker 3: in some ways, So I think I think the response
Speaker 3: as the as the owner knowing that you bought the
Speaker 3: property knowing that there were some issues that you're going
Speaker 3: to have to fix. Now you're the owner, you're going
Speaker 3: to have to fix them.
Speaker 13: But even you both say, even if I got a
Speaker 13: consent to go ahead, but the neighbor doesn't want to
Speaker 13: do anything, what can I do?
Speaker 3: I think then you probably have to take some legal
Speaker 3: action to say, you know, in the end it is
Speaker 3: in your neighbour's interest to allow you to fix it. Right,
Speaker 3: So there might have to be a negotiation, There might
Speaker 3: have to be a settlement of some sort. There might
Speaker 3: even have to be legal action to force it, but
Speaker 3: ultimately they're going to have to accept some disruption while
Speaker 3: you repair it. And again that's part of the risk
Speaker 3: of buying into a building where there are multiple occupancies,
Speaker 3: right you know, So in that sense you'd hope that
Speaker 3: your neighbor would be reasonable. But again that's not to
Speaker 3: say that people aren't reasonable. Jeremy, I've got to move on.
Speaker 3: I'd be really interested to know where you land with this,
Speaker 3: so do feel free to call again. Certainly it'll be
Speaker 3: one of those things that I'll think about again in
Speaker 3: a couple of months time. I wish you all the
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Speaker 3: talking about adhesive given that I glued it to my
Speaker 3: face this week? What adhesive do you use to glue
Speaker 3: a brass wood screw into a door frame lock catch
Speaker 3: that keeps coming out due to the vibration of the
Speaker 3: door opening and closing. Thanks Michael, I'll tell you what
Speaker 3: I would just get a match stick, take the screw out,
Speaker 3: get a matchstick, jam that in there, tap it and
Speaker 3: cut the top of the match off and put the
Speaker 3: screw back in. Job done. Oh eight one hundred and
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. The number to call damon good morning,
Speaker 3: to you. Why is that not mate? My fingers have
Speaker 3: dried up. It didn't work. There we go, gotcha, Damon?
Speaker 3: How are you good?
Speaker 5: Thank you?
Speaker 4: How are you good?
Speaker 7: Thank you?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 14: I just I heard you talking about mold this morning,
Speaker 14: and I just bringing I me and my family just
Speaker 14: been through a mold issue over the last over winter
Speaker 14: and it was extremely peculiar and we we found mold
Speaker 14: and eventually found mold in our house, but it was
Speaker 14: not what we thought it would be. So I thought,
Speaker 14: I'm just going to share.
Speaker 12: That with you.
Speaker 3: But in terms of the like you you're obviously in
Speaker 3: the house over the winter, so it's not like it's
Speaker 3: been locked up and you've been away or something like that.
Speaker 14: No, it was really my wife complained about the smell
Speaker 14: in our bedroom and it was really odd the year
Speaker 14: before last. And I'm actually a builder and I've been
Speaker 14: in an industry for thirty four years, so I was like, yeah,
Speaker 14: but it was a really weird smell and we couldn't
Speaker 14: we couldn't actually track it down where it was coming from.
Speaker 14: In the end, I thought maybe the old jewanery was rotting,
Speaker 14: so I pulled the window out and replaced it with
Speaker 14: a were a double glaze one yep. And because the
Speaker 14: house was it was an older house, but I'd completely
Speaker 14: gutted it and renovated it, so it was all all
Speaker 14: new insulation, all new and everything on the inside and
Speaker 14: twenty and then so going through that, and then that went,
Speaker 14: and then this went to just being The smell came
Speaker 14: back really early and it was quite pungent. It was
Speaker 14: a very weird smell. We couldn't find anything, couldn't All
Speaker 14: the walls were dry. Moisture tested everything and got a
Speaker 14: moisture meat went through everything. Everything was dry, dry, dry.
Speaker 14: It was really odd. But in the end my brother said, look,
Speaker 14: maybe just get a proper test done. So I got
Speaker 14: some experts in and they did an ear filter test. Right,
Speaker 14: I was kind of not to say, poopooing it, but
Speaker 14: I just didn't think they would find anything because the
Speaker 14: house was dry on the inside. But lo and behold.
Speaker 14: He came back and says, mate, you want to get
Speaker 14: out of your bedroom. It's extremely high and mold spores
Speaker 14: in your bedroom. And I was like, gosh, how's that
Speaker 14: even possible? So I went home that night and I
Speaker 14: just sort of tore the bedroom apart a bit, and
Speaker 14: when I removed the beard away from the wall. This
Speaker 14: real strong smell of damp came imiating into the bedroom
Speaker 14: and it was very strong. It was even stinging my eyes.
Speaker 14: So three so we got out of there and removed
Speaker 14: ourselves from the room, and then found that the actual
Speaker 14: back of the beard is one hundred million inside where
Speaker 14: the mattress was the back of the bed, and the
Speaker 14: wall was spiking to about thirty on the moisturemeter, so
Speaker 14: it's pretty high. And so I tore the side of
Speaker 14: the house, thinking for a leak from the en suite,
Speaker 14: but nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing anywhere, And all it was
Speaker 14: was down to what we can We obviously threw out
Speaker 14: the mattress and everything, but what it seemed to go
Speaker 14: down to is that we had just bad habits with
Speaker 14: our on suite door open while howing yep, yeah, and
Speaker 14: then having a we we'd just had a baby boy
Speaker 14: and he was sharing our room for the first year
Speaker 14: and a half and there was three of us in
Speaker 14: there and obviously not getting enough ventilation, so things something
Speaker 14: just caught and we found it must have been living
Speaker 14: in our mattress, the mold, and it was causing us
Speaker 14: all sorts of problems.
Speaker 3: Ailments, and certainly I think one of the things we're
Speaker 3: starting to appreciate, you know, especially you know, old houses
Speaker 3: like the one that I'm in. You know, they're pretty drafty, right,
Speaker 3: and the drafts kind of mitigate the fact that as
Speaker 3: we get more and more air type, ventilation becomes more
Speaker 3: and more of an issue. So if you've done a
Speaker 3: really good job of sort of your retro fitting the
Speaker 3: house by adding better joinery, adding insulation, closing up all
Speaker 3: of those gaps and cracks that kind of give ventilation
Speaker 3: via infiltration, which is not a great form of ventilation
Speaker 3: but is ventilation in a sense, then yeah, you can
Speaker 3: you can end up with that. And then if you've
Speaker 3: got an on suite and you shower with the door open,
Speaker 3: three people in a room for a fairly long period
Speaker 3: of time, all of the sources of moisture would combine
Speaker 3: to create the environment. So it is one of the
Speaker 3: keys to it, you know, ventilation, like better ventilation out
Speaker 3: of the bathroom, maybe making sure you close the door
Speaker 3: when you're having a shower on the en suite, and
Speaker 3: being much more like what have you done to fix it?
Speaker 3: Are you much more active in terms of going, hey,
Speaker 3: look as soon as the temperature is right, I'm going
Speaker 3: to open the windows. I'm going to get some ventilation
Speaker 3: during the day, maybe adding some more extraction to the house.
Speaker 3: What have you done?
Speaker 14: So immediately we went and got a dejamidifire and we
Speaker 14: started running that in the evenings after it right yep
Speaker 14: in the bedroom. But yes, be more proactive about opening
Speaker 14: windows through the day and also like that, shut that
Speaker 14: door to the on swite when we showering. And we're
Speaker 14: also looking into so I went down the road looking
Speaker 14: into a HIV system for the house. And what I've
Speaker 14: found out through that process is that even the modern homes,
Speaker 14: in fact, more so the modern homes that are smaller
Speaker 14: having the bigger issues because there's less air in the
Speaker 14: house move around with our bigger volume houses with more space,
Speaker 14: they don't seem to create that issue so much. And
Speaker 14: having a system that can remove that dailer out and
Speaker 14: put fresh air in is because my brother's also a builder,
Speaker 14: and I've been talking to him at length and he
Speaker 14: believes that the those codes that shut and made everything
Speaker 14: air tight is actually causing us more issues and we
Speaker 14: should have really put our money and our time into
Speaker 14: putting some codes around a better ventilation for houses that
Speaker 14: are smaller or anyhow.
Speaker 3: And look, I wouldn't discrew you on that. What I
Speaker 3: hope doesn't happen though, And I've started to see this
Speaker 3: in sort of the public discourse as people going, oh, look,
Speaker 3: the problem with our houses is that they're too well insulated,
Speaker 3: and that's you know, just wrong. Yeah, it is rubbish, right,
Speaker 3: but it's a very popular idea at the moment that
Speaker 3: you know, houses are overheating and so on because we've
Speaker 3: gone too far with the insulation. We need to wind
Speaker 3: that back. We don't. Our insulation standards are not still
Speaker 3: not particularly high. But what we do need to do
Speaker 3: is take a holistic approach in terms of understanding building
Speaker 3: science and understanding how buildings perform and going Okay, what's
Speaker 3: really important then is that we do actually need to ventilate,
Speaker 3: and we need to actively ventilate properties if we're not
Speaker 3: getting this sort of accidental ventilation via infiltration right drafty houses,
Speaker 3: so if we can control it, we need to be
Speaker 3: much more active in that. And like you, I've you know,
Speaker 3: mold is a persistent issue. I'm dealing with it in
Speaker 3: another property and one of the things I've done is
Speaker 3: I'm swapping out the extractor fan that's there for an
Speaker 3: updated one that has a humidity sensor included in the fan.
Speaker 14: Right.
Speaker 3: So Cynics have just introduced these to the market. I'm
Speaker 3: going to swap out the old extractor put this one in.
Speaker 3: And what that will do is it will measure the
Speaker 3: humidity in the room and boost the performance of the
Speaker 3: fan depending on what's actually happening in the room. And
Speaker 3: when even when there's no activity, let's say in the room,
Speaker 3: it will still continue to run just to allow for
Speaker 3: that constant exchange of air, right, and then have essentially
Speaker 3: a boost on it. So you know, maybe something like
Speaker 3: that is something that you could look at for your
Speaker 3: place as well. I've got to move on, but I
Speaker 3: really appreciate the insight and so on, and particularly for
Speaker 3: someone who's gone through it. And you know, the remarkable
Speaker 3: thing is that even like good houses can still get mold.
Speaker 3: That's that's what the message is there. Really appreciate damon,
Speaker 3: and good on you, and thanks for calling. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty the number
Speaker 3: to call. Take short break back in a moment you
Speaker 3: and new Stalks. It'd been at seven forty three and minshew,
Speaker 3: good morning to you.
Speaker 15: Good morning Peter, how are you very well? Enjoy your show?
Speaker 12: Thank you.
Speaker 15: Hey, I've got a tricky question for you.
Speaker 5: I like relation.
Speaker 15: Yeah, underfloor insulation. Yes, now we have we have a
Speaker 15: few different material type such as whorl, polyst glass, woll
Speaker 15: in part it thin, something like the export stuff. So
Speaker 15: my question is which type of material as more resistant
Speaker 15: to borrow attack.
Speaker 3: I would imagine none of those products are particularly tractive
Speaker 3: to bora.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean if it's a glassful one, if it's a
Speaker 3: pure wool, if it's one hundred percent pure polyester, if
Speaker 3: it's polystyrene, I can't see bora being attracted to any
Speaker 3: of that because there's actually no organic material.
Speaker 15: They're all equal.
Speaker 3: Yes, I specifically in terms of bora. I can't see
Speaker 3: any anything that's attractive in any of those products for bora.
Speaker 15: Okay, Well, the reason I markets is my border brought
Speaker 15: an old house one hundred years old in the central
Speaker 15: Auckland area. Yes, and well it's due to inspection indicated
Speaker 15: there's some borer attack, so she got the insect control
Speaker 15: guiding and but they requires the rip of the existing insulation,
Speaker 15: which is the expo type of stuff, you know, they
Speaker 15: they put it then, so we asked, We asked the guy,
Speaker 15: as you say, well this this material more attractive to
Speaker 15: to bora or or you know, any other types that
Speaker 15: they're not one hundred percent sure, but they said, well,
Speaker 15: these these exposed stuff the easier for the bora to
Speaker 15: penetrate through. So for their recommendation is for us to
Speaker 15: replace them with a different material. So that's why I'm asking.
Speaker 3: Okay, look, the good news is that in about half
Speaker 3: an hour Rudklin Passed, who is far more qualified than
Speaker 3: I am to talk about bora, is going to be
Speaker 3: on the show. So why don't I put that question
Speaker 3: to Rud and we'll get his opinion given that he's
Speaker 3: an entomologist.
Speaker 15: Excellent, Yeah, I thought, Is he still going to be
Speaker 15: on quarter past the rugby game?
Speaker 3: I know, but we're going to start early because I
Speaker 3: know you don't want to miss out on time with Rud,
Speaker 3: So that will be my first question. Stay listening, excellent,
Speaker 3: No trouble, Take care. Then eight hundred eighty ten eighty
Speaker 3: is the number to call back after the break. And
Speaker 3: just to reminder, Ridd will be joining us a little
Speaker 3: bit earlier. In the next hour of the program, we're
Speaker 3: going to hand over to the commentary team for the
Speaker 3: last match of the All Blacks Northern Tour, so All
Speaker 3: Blacks v Italy. That'll kick off just after nine o'clock
Speaker 3: at about eight forty five. We'll hand over to the
Speaker 3: commentary team ahead of that live coverage of the match.
Speaker 3: So Ridd'll be joining us about quarter past eight this morning,
Speaker 3: which means not a lot of time for you to
Speaker 3: get your building questions. And eight hundred and eighty ten
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 8: Hello Faye, Hello Pete.
Speaker 3: How are you very well? Thank you?
Speaker 10: I'm just ringing. My son wants to convert the garage
Speaker 10: into a full speed Yes, the house is twenty years old.
Speaker 14: Yep.
Speaker 10: I just said it'd probably be cheaper to do one
Speaker 10: out the back.
Speaker 16: It's got a fair.
Speaker 10: Bitter end, right because you had to have a permit
Speaker 10: and can you do that convert the garage you can, but.
Speaker 3: It is it's a change of use, right, So garages
Speaker 3: are designed to be garages, not to be bedrooms, and
Speaker 3: in terms of compliance, you need to ensure that it's
Speaker 3: a safe habitable space, right. So one of the things
Speaker 3: council will look at is ventilation, They'll look at insulation,
Speaker 3: They'll potentially look at is there a vapor barrier underneath
Speaker 3: the concrete slab if it's concrete slab, And then obviously
Speaker 3: you'll want to take the garage door out and replace
Speaker 3: it with joinery. So there might be issues around insulation,
Speaker 3: double glazing, those sorts of things. But it most definitely
Speaker 3: requires a building consent. But it sounds like you already
Speaker 3: know that.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 10: Yes, So I've double grazes a home anys before, before
Speaker 10: the double grazing wasmentatory. So yes, yeah, so I said
Speaker 10: it would probably be better to build a sleep out,
Speaker 10: a big one as high as you can go without
Speaker 10: the purpents net. But once just put the toilet share
Speaker 10: in this and you've got to have a permit.
Speaker 3: You need a consent for that as well. Now that
Speaker 3: potentially is up for some discussion at the moment. Certainly
Speaker 3: the you know, it's it's not law now, but it
Speaker 3: is something that this current government is looking at. Is that,
Speaker 3: you know, can we build well as much as sixty
Speaker 3: square meters in some cases without necessarily requiring a consent.
Speaker 3: But right now, yes, doing any plumbing you can build
Speaker 3: up to thirty up to thirty square meters within certain guidelines.
Speaker 3: But as soon as you put in any sanitary fitting,
Speaker 3: so as soon as you add shower and toilet and
Speaker 3: those sorts of things, it requires triggers the requirement for
Speaker 3: building consent.
Speaker 10: Yeah, rather it be done properly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Yes, too. Properly is really important.
Speaker 10: That would be, you know, doing the garage, and you've
Speaker 10: got to build another garage of.
Speaker 14: Which to go the other way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you might be right good on you. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: and you have a great day to take care. Then,
Speaker 3: all the very best to you. We've got time for
Speaker 3: your calls. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the
Speaker 3: number to call. Good morning, says the Texter. I'd appreciate
Speaker 3: your thoughts on next steps. For some friends of mine
Speaker 3: who are in the nineteen seventies Lockwood in one of
Speaker 3: the bedrooms. Above the window, there are gaps that are
Speaker 3: appearing between the wall and the roof that you can
Speaker 3: see light through. It only seems to be in one room.
Speaker 3: Given that Lockwood's still around in business and probably will
Speaker 3: be for many many years to come, I would be
Speaker 3: inclined to get in touch with them. And just get
Speaker 3: one of their experts maybe to come out and have
Speaker 3: a look at it, not necessarily holding them responsible for
Speaker 3: it if it's a nineteen seventies bill, but they might
Speaker 3: be able to offer up some opinion. It might be
Speaker 3: that there's some subsidence and the wall is dropping and
Speaker 3: the roof is staying in the same place. It might
Speaker 3: be that there's some uplift for some reason that's occurred.
Speaker 3: There might just be shrinkage. So my suggestion would be
Speaker 3: that you actually go and get in touch with Lockwood
Speaker 3: in the first instance, and invite them to come out
Speaker 3: and have a we look a couple of things. One
Speaker 3: of the things that I've has occupied I do know
Speaker 3: last day and a half of my life has been
Speaker 3: making I don't even know how I get into these
Speaker 3: sorts of things. But our son is involved with the
Speaker 3: National Youth Theater who are putting on a performance starting
Speaker 3: on Thursday at the Arta Center in Auckland of Alice
Speaker 3: Wonderland Journey. So it's kind of a reimagining of the
Speaker 3: classic Alice in Wonderland story with all of the same characters,
Speaker 3: and there is that scene. I don't know the story
Speaker 3: particularly well. I think I'll get to know it a
Speaker 3: little bit more over the next week as I go
Speaker 3: and see the show a couple of times where Alice
Speaker 3: obviously goes into Wonderland and everything is large, and so
Speaker 3: the Mad Hatter, the character there, has a large top
Speaker 3: hat that then has to be large enough from which
Speaker 3: a rabbit needs to appear. And so that job ended
Speaker 3: up on my desk or in my workshop, to be fair,
Speaker 3: and I spent a happy couple of day in a
Speaker 3: bit making a large elliptical top hat with brim on
Speaker 3: casters that can be wheeled out onto the stage as
Speaker 3: part of that. I have to say I've been to
Speaker 3: any number of the National Youth Theaters shows over the years.
Speaker 3: They're a hell of a lot of fun. It's just
Speaker 3: so fantastic to see all of these young kids, and
Speaker 3: we're talking you know, five, six, seven up to about
Speaker 3: age twenty twenty one involved in these enormous productions, incredibly professional.
Speaker 3: It's on at the the Artas Center from I think
Speaker 3: the first public show is public shows are Saturday and Sunday.
Speaker 3: They do a whole lot of shows for schools. They
Speaker 3: invite schools to come along, which is fabulous as well.
Speaker 3: But the public shows are on Saturday and Sunday. I'll
Speaker 3: be going along Saturday night, so if you see me there,
Speaker 3: say hello. And it's a great show. So allis on
Speaker 3: at the Altair Center from Saturday and Sunday. Tickets on
Speaker 3: ticket Master, all that sort of thing. And somewhere in
Speaker 3: there you might even get to see the hat that
Speaker 3: I made. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
Speaker 3: the number to call. I think we'll leave John too
Speaker 3: after the break because we're right on top of news time.
Speaker 3: Lots of texts coming in around, you know, the mold issues.
Speaker 3: I guess it's been fascinating. Pete loved the show, really
Speaker 3: interested to hear about the bedroom mold. I wonder about
Speaker 3: like high padded headboards that are attached to the wall,
Speaker 3: no gap between the mattress the headboard, no airflow. Just
Speaker 3: a thought. Are you're absolutely right, Judy, ventilation in all spaces.
Speaker 3: You know, we've got use to this idea that we
Speaker 3: need extraction and wet areas, bathrooms, laundries, kitchens, et cetera.
Speaker 3: But really we need ventilation right through the house, and
Speaker 3: it needs to be active and it needs to be controllable.
Speaker 3: I might talk a little bit more about that in
Speaker 3: the next hour. Remember rid Cline passed from eight fifteen
Speaker 3: this morning. Rhot's going to join us shortly because we've
Speaker 3: got the All Blacks the last match of the Northern
Speaker 3: Tour live commentary here at news Talks. He'd be from
Speaker 3: around well build up at around quarter to nine the match.
Speaker 3: Just after nine o'clock. A couple of texts coming in
Speaker 3: about bronze beetles, so that's a heads up for it.
Speaker 3: We need to talk about that, and we need to
Speaker 3: answer the question posed by a caller earlier on around
Speaker 3: underfloor insulation and is a particular type of underfloor insulation
Speaker 3: a more inviting habitat for borer than other types of insulation.
Speaker 3: So we'll cover that off through it as well. But
Speaker 3: right now, John, are very good morning to you. How
Speaker 3: are you doing? For some reason, it's not working. This
Speaker 3: is working, John, Greetings, John number one, apologies.
Speaker 4: Good morning, Pete. I love your work, Thank you.
Speaker 17: Bet Yeah. Hey, I've got a glimping tent that we've
Speaker 17: put up. It's been up for about three years now
Speaker 17: and it's done really well. But the canvas are starting
Speaker 17: to show some mold and I've tried a couple of
Speaker 17: things I've tried vinegar, which, as you can imagine, is
Speaker 17: probably pretty less effective being a check solution, and then
Speaker 17: I tried wit and forget, which is way more expensive.
Speaker 17: It seemed to have some effect, and maybe I need
Speaker 17: to have another go at it. But I wondered if
Speaker 17: you had some suggestions around.
Speaker 3: How to Oh, would you just try something like exit mold.
Speaker 4: Well, apparently some of those other products like.
Speaker 3: That can be a bit corrosively sort of thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and rot the canvas. I'm obviously worry about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you want to agree with you put it on.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, I understand what you're saying you need.
Speaker 3: There's a certain amount of caution, isn't there around some
Speaker 3: of these more aggressive chemicals, let's say.
Speaker 17: But maybe I could like put some bleached chemical on
Speaker 17: and the water blasted off. I don't know whether that
Speaker 17: would effectively get out.
Speaker 3: I mean, is it also one of those things where
Speaker 3: these things have a lifespan? You know what I mean?
Speaker 17: And absolutely absolutely, but I'm expecting ten years. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 17: and I want it to look good for as long
Speaker 17: as possible.
Speaker 3: Do you also redo the waterproofing on the canvas over time?
Speaker 17: I've heard something about that but I'm not really an expert.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, John, I think for something like that, you know,
Speaker 3: you're better off talking to some old fashioned campers who
Speaker 3: have used canvas for a long time. I mean, I
Speaker 3: can't imagine this. Too many canvas tents out there now,
Speaker 3: with all of the flash, hairy sort of stuff that's
Speaker 3: that's available now, blow up tents and all the rest
Speaker 3: of it. But even someone like Canvas City, if they're
Speaker 3: still in business, would probably be able to offer up
Speaker 3: some decent advice there. Okay, I'd have a crack at
Speaker 3: all the verys to you and John number two. I'm
Speaker 3: sure you've got a bit of surname than John number two,
Speaker 3: But here John number two showers goody John.
Speaker 4: Good noise.
Speaker 13: Peter.
Speaker 6: Now, we've got a problem with a juttering cold water
Speaker 6: tap in our bathroom. We've had it since we built
Speaker 6: the batch about six years ago. It doesn't happen all
Speaker 6: the time, it just occasional, but when it happens, it
Speaker 6: makes one hell of a noise and the water tends
Speaker 6: to spurt out in intermittently. Right, we're on rain water,
Speaker 6: so obviously the water is getting to the tap via
Speaker 6: from a pump, and it is the furthest tap we've
Speaker 6: got in the house, if that's any help.
Speaker 3: Have you heard of a thing called water hammer?
Speaker 6: Water hammer?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I I think look in the end, it'll
Speaker 3: probably require a fix from a plumber. So I would
Speaker 3: suggest if you chat with a local plumber and describe
Speaker 3: that to them. It seems to have something to do
Speaker 3: with air getting into the line, right, and so what
Speaker 3: you get is a bit of water and then a
Speaker 3: bit of air, and that vibration between those two elements
Speaker 3: is what causes some water hammer, and that's what you
Speaker 3: might find is happening. So and then I suppose it's
Speaker 3: slightly more complicated given that you've then got a water pump.
Speaker 3: So obviously there are times when there is pressure in
Speaker 3: the line, then there's not pressure in the line, you know,
Speaker 3: as opposed to being connected to the mains pressure, where
Speaker 3: as long as the valve is open, you've got pressure
Speaker 3: in your system all of the time. So I think
Speaker 3: it's water hammer and you'll need a plumber to fix it.
Speaker 6: Do you think it could be related to the fact
Speaker 6: that the toilets in the same bathroom when flushed, there
Speaker 6: is a loud noise from the roof Somewhere in the
Speaker 6: roof of the house. Further back between the toilets and
Speaker 6: the water.
Speaker 3: Tank might be a loose pipe. Okay, So you know,
Speaker 3: if you look at how plumbers if they're drilling down
Speaker 3: through the nogs and so on these days and then
Speaker 3: putting their pipework in, they'll often seal or they should
Speaker 3: seal around the gap between the edge of the pipe
Speaker 3: and the and the hole that they've drilled through the timber,
Speaker 3: my precious, precious timber that they like drilling through, and
Speaker 3: so typically you do a bead of sealing around there. Now,
Speaker 3: if you leave that out and there's movement in the pipe,
Speaker 3: then the pipe bangs against the timber, so that that
Speaker 3: can happen as well. But that's if that's in the wall,
Speaker 3: that's a slightly more difficult problem to fix. If it's
Speaker 3: in the ceiling and there's not there's insufficient pipe clips
Speaker 3: and it's a pipe that's loose and banging, then that's
Speaker 3: a relatively straightforward fix.
Speaker 6: Well, that sounds very possible.
Speaker 3: All the very best to you. I hope it works
Speaker 3: out well. Take care, John, take care. Oh here we
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Speaker 3: Right, Oh, Rud climb Pass is going to join us
Speaker 3: in just a moment, So if you've got your gardening questions,
Speaker 3: you'll have to get in ahead of me. But I'm
Speaker 3: going to jump the queue to be fair and jump
Speaker 3: in with the first question at RUT. Are you with us? No,
Speaker 3: not yet, Okay, We're going to come back in just
Speaker 3: a moment if you've got questions for Rudd. Eight hundred
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. A
Speaker 3: couple of last Yeah, people have just on the canvas.
Speaker 3: People have actually suggested that the wit and forget might
Speaker 3: work as well. There's a product this is again for
Speaker 3: the canvas. Tenth. There's a product benzo zyclamine chloride active
Speaker 3: ingredient avoid the likes of exit mold, which I have
Speaker 3: used in the bathroom because it's got sodium hyperchloride which
Speaker 3: will rot the canvas. So there are weed oh, there
Speaker 3: are mold sprays that will work with the canvas as
Speaker 3: opposed to others that are more designed perhaps for hard surfaces.
Speaker 3: And we may mention two of nails rusting a little
Speaker 3: bit earlier on in the program, and I commented on
Speaker 3: the fact that in some cases some stainless steel brads
Speaker 3: that I'd been using had also seem to rust, and
Speaker 3: someone did point out, you know, there is a difference
Speaker 3: between marine grade stainless steel and regular They talked about
Speaker 3: their dads building boats and using marine grade three one
Speaker 3: six stainless. Certainly something to be aware of, and I'm
Speaker 3: very conscious of the fact that the brads, I mean,
Speaker 3: stainless brad should last a little bit longer than that,
Speaker 3: but it's not common, but it did happen in a
Speaker 3: few areas. And then we've had a lot of discussion
Speaker 3: around actually a lot of talk about bathrooms, talk about bathrooms.
Speaker 3: I noticed the other day I was cruising home, and
Speaker 3: obviously some neighbors are doing some renovations. There was a
Speaker 3: Chester's Bathroom store truck that had arrived to drop off
Speaker 3: some stuff, and it got me thinking that, I know,
Speaker 3: typically Chesters sort of have a sense that it's very
Speaker 3: much a trade focused store, but they are open for
Speaker 3: retail as well. Last night I went along and celebrated
Speaker 3: with the team from clear Water Construction forty years in business,
Speaker 3: and actually I was there after having been part of
Speaker 3: their celebrations for DNH Steel fifty years. Interestingly, and Old
Speaker 3: Chester's fifty years in business as well, So that's Chess's
Speaker 3: plumbing fifty years. That says something about the quality of
Speaker 3: the company if they've been around that long. So good
Speaker 3: on you, Chestice. Right, you're with news Talks, he'd be,
Speaker 3: we're going to get rud lined up. I think yes
Speaker 3: we can do that. Let's let's get Rid on the line.
Speaker 3: We'll talk all things gardening, but I'm going to jump
Speaker 3: in with the first question about underfloor insulation and whether
Speaker 3: or not borer finds it attractive to live there. So
Speaker 3: we're back in just a moment with Red Climb Past for.
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