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Speaker 1: Eleven past five.

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Speaker 2: Together Duper clan.

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Speaker 1: Alkamer Wayne Brown's come up with an alternative plan for

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Speaker 1: a second harbor crossing for the city. He reckons it

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Speaker 1: should go from Point chev directly across to the north shore,

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Speaker 1: which is Cody Point. The beauty of his plan is

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Speaker 1: that eighty percent of this bridge would be built on

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Speaker 1: an existing reef. Now Bill mackay is a senior lecturer

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Speaker 1: of Architecture and Planning at the University of Auckland with

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Speaker 1: us now hi Billa Heather is building on the reef

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Speaker 1: a smart idea.

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Speaker 2: Wayne Brown's an engineer and this is a real engineer's

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Speaker 2: approach to things, looking for the shortest point and the

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Speaker 2: cheapest structure rather than like the environmental impact and also tomulate,

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Speaker 2: where's it really fitther into the needs for a sued

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Speaker 2: harber crossing.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, so so cost wise and simplicity He wins

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Speaker 1: on that one. What's the problem?

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Speaker 2: No, because can I cost wise? He's saying like a

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Speaker 2: bridge rather than the tunnel. But he's not taking into

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Speaker 2: account I don't think the approaches to it.

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Speaker 1: You need feeder roads into point Cheven.

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Speaker 2: Out the outside, building a motorway right up the middle

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Speaker 2: of Puince Scheverley Road, acquiring properties, that kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: John Tammerherry at the mayor election election or two ago,

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Speaker 2: he was talking about the double decker bridge. Looks good

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Speaker 2: in the diagram, but when you think about the approaches,

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Speaker 2: how do we get the cars there? Detracts all of

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Speaker 2: that kind of thing. It becomes much much for me.

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Speaker 1: Give it a score out of ten for me?

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Speaker 2: Bill four? Why so long? Because he's not also taking

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Speaker 2: into account the environmental impact.

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Speaker 1: Oh, never mind that. Take that out, Bill, assume I

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Speaker 1: don't care, because I don't If you take the environment out,

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Speaker 1: what score are you giving it? Now?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, have a look at all the Aukland motorways

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Speaker 2: and there is one thing that determines the path of

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Speaker 2: the motorway and Auckland the least, the path of least

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Speaker 2: political resistance. Yeah, so can I motorways go through mangroves,

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Speaker 2: they go through cemeteries, they go through places where poor

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Speaker 2: people live. They do not go through middle class or can.

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Speaker 1: I you know the middle class suburbs like pointshap Or

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Speaker 1: where the greenees are going to get where?

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Speaker 2: And time is also money, so can I? You know?

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Speaker 2: The pushback from the locals and all of that kind

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Speaker 2: of thing means, you know, it's a hiding to nothing.

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Speaker 1: It's good to talk to you mate, Thank you really appreciable. MacKaye,

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