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Speaker 2: I said, Burd, it's cold out there, a suddenly front

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Speaker 2: welcome to news Talks. He'd be yes, snow on the

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Speaker 2: I bring you all the updates from the various weather authorities.

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Speaker 2: Let you know what's happening in your neck of the woods.

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Speaker 2: We've got a big show this morning now before ten o'clock.

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Speaker 2: If you're anything like me, you absolutely love a chocolate biscuit.

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Speaker 2: But the problem with chocolate biscuits is that if you

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Speaker 2: bake chocolate biscuits, you eat fifteen chocolate biscuits. Okay, so

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Speaker 2: we're going to give you this magic recipe BEF fourteen

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Speaker 2: o'clock for delicious chocolate biscuits that have a secret ingredient

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Speaker 2: the secret ingredient means that actually you're going to be

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Speaker 2: satiated after just one or two. So how can you

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Speaker 2: have a delicious biscuit that gets you satiated that quickly?

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Speaker 2: I will reveal all and our feature INTERVW after ten.

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Speaker 2: Ah cannot wait for this friend of the show. Nadia

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Speaker 2: Limb is going to be back with us right after

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Speaker 2: the ten o'clock news, so we'll catch up with her

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Speaker 2: right now, though it's eight minutes past nine.

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Speaker 3: Jack Team, who could.

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Speaker 2: Possibly, in their wildest dreams ever have imagined it? Who

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Speaker 2: could possibly have foreseen that the world's wealthiest man in

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Speaker 2: the world's most powerful politician might blow up their bromance

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Speaker 2: in the most spectacular fashion, Elon and Don feuding. No, No,

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Speaker 2: say it ain't so. The curious thing is the pair

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Speaker 2: of them, Donald Trump and Elon Musk do actually have

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Speaker 2: a few qualities in common. Hypocrisy for starters. I mean,

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Speaker 2: think about it. Having pledged many dozens of times to

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Speaker 2: pay down his country's debt, Donald Trump is pushing forward

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Speaker 2: legislation that will actually grow the debt by an estimated

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Speaker 2: four trillion New Zealand dollars. Four trillion dollars. That sounds

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Speaker 2: made up. Just think about it for a moment, right,

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Speaker 2: So if a billion is one thousand millions and a

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Speaker 2: trillion is one thousand billions, that's four thousand, thousand million dollars.

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Speaker 2: And then, having pledged to cut waste from the same

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Speaker 2: government's spending, Elon Musk of course, heroically cut support for

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Speaker 2: HIV positive mothers in the developing world, while simultaneously making

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Speaker 2: billions of dollars in subsidies and contracts that, what do

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Speaker 2: you know, benefit his own companies. Another common quality between

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Speaker 2: the two of them well, the speed of which they

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Speaker 2: both go nuclear. I mean, in the space of a

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Speaker 2: few hours, we've had Donald Trump threatening to cut SpaceX funding,

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Speaker 2: We've had Elon Musk threatening to decommission the rocket used

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Speaker 2: accusation about the Epstein files made without any evidence, which,

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Speaker 2: nonetheless I thought the White House was notably less than

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Speaker 2: emphatic in denying. In my view, Elon Musk has been

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Speaker 2: headed for a big fall for a long long time.

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Speaker 2: I think his behavior's erratic, whether it's the Nazi salutes

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Speaker 2: think says an awful lot of awful about his character.

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Speaker 2: And while sure, at his best he has achieved some

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Speaker 2: extraordinary things. I, for one, used to be a big fan.

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Speaker 2: You only need to log into x to see that

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Speaker 2: one of the most productive human beings in the history

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Speaker 2: on social media. Unlike Donald Trump, Elon Musk isn't charismatic,

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Speaker 2: He isn't funny. The more people see of him, the

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Speaker 2: despite his threats to start a third political party and

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Speaker 2: he doesn't have anything like the pulling power or the

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Speaker 2: In April, Elon Musk poured almost fifty million New Zealand

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Speaker 2: his candidate lost. If anything, Elon Musk's money and his

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Speaker 2: this feud is headed. Maybe they will cool off and

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Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned, there will only be one winner,

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Speaker 3: Team ninety two.

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Speaker 2: Ninety two is the text number if you want to

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Speaker 2: flick aus message this morning. I don't forget the standard

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Speaker 2: me as well. Jacket Newstalks he'd b dot co dot NZ.

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Speaker 2: Big win for the Crusaders last night, pretty strong performance

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Speaker 2: against the Reds. If anything, I think the score probably

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Speaker 2: flattered the Reds. But will count down to the Chiefs

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Speaker 2: Blues when our Sporto joins us very shortly. Kevin milnser

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Speaker 2: next twelve minutes past nine. It's Saturday morning. I'm Jack Tame.

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Speaker 2: This is news Talk ZEDB.

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Speaker 3: No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

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Speaker 1: Saturday mornings with Jack, Tay and bepwart on code on

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Speaker 2: Mb ah and flick me a note to say, Jack,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the asylum to unquestionably unhinged individuals squabbling in

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Speaker 2: a megla mamiac sandbox, Peter says, Jack, enjoyed your opening

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Speaker 2: comments this morning. I'm with you, don't like either Trump

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Speaker 2: or Elon Musk, but if it's a contest between the

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Speaker 2: two of them, I cannot see Elon Musk coming out

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Speaker 2: on top. And how about this, Ben is waking up

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Speaker 2: on Lake Techapore this morning. There for the weekend, Jack.

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Speaker 2: It's minus three where snowed in. It's cold, but it's great,

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Speaker 2: absolutely loving the snow. Thanks Ben, send us a photo.

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Speaker 2: By all means, I'm deeply envious. I mean, if you're

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Speaker 2: in that part of the world, that's where you want

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Speaker 2: to be snowed in. Don't you think someone like Lake

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Speaker 2: Techapaul somewhere as beautiful as Lake Techable ninety two ninety two.

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Speaker 2: If you want to send us a text mess you

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Speaker 2: can email me as well. Of course, Kevin Melne is

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Speaker 4: Killed Kevin Morning Jack, who is that brilliant listener? Who

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Speaker 4: sends him that first the first comment about the about much.

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Speaker 4: Can I hear that again?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome to the asylum as Ann and his two

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Speaker 2: unquestionably unhinged individuals squabbling in a megalo maniac sandbox. There

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Speaker 4: She ought to be she ought to be doing my job. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's wonderful, wonderfully colorful writing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this isn't it. That is very very good. Thank you, Anne.

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Speaker 2: I've got plenty more of those messages too, so I'll

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Speaker 2: get to those in a couple of minutes, Kevin. A

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Speaker 2: milestone from mister and missus Meln this week, or should

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Speaker 2: we say a Milne stone.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Linda and I had an important milnstone during the week. Yes.

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Speaker 4: On Wednesday, it was fifty years since our first date.

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Speaker 4: It was very much on our minds during the day,

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Speaker 4: but we didn't celebrate much. I posted a photo office

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Speaker 4: dined out. Unlike birthdays, anniversaries are tricky things that it's

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Speaker 4: still three years till our fifty years golden wedding anniversary,

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Speaker 4: and that's when most couples make a fuss. But I

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Speaker 4: think more about our first date than I do about

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Speaker 4: our wedding day. It was so much at stake. Our

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Speaker 4: wedding day was enjoyable, but a process to be gone through.

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Speaker 4: When the priest said to Linda, do you take this man, etc. Etc.

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Speaker 4: I knew she'd say yes. But our first date was

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Speaker 4: just friends after all. Most first dates don't lead to

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Speaker 4: fifty years since our first date is a more significant

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Speaker 4: sure we'd have got married. If we hadn't, Linda, who's

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Speaker 4: There's a third option, what young people now call I

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Speaker 4: think making it formal. The day you announce on social

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Speaker 4: media that you're now a couple. Apparently it's a bigger

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Speaker 4: couples celebrate fifty years later. So you're going to have

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Speaker 4: golden wedding day. The hope, of course, is just that

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Speaker 4: you'll last fifty years together. Ah, what event you'd like

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Speaker 2: Jack, Well, it's even more complicated for me, shockingly, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: But first of all, congratulations, But that is such an achievement.

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Speaker 2: That is like a really amazing achievement, and you should

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Speaker 2: there aren't many couples who go fifty years in this

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Speaker 4: I think that is it called something like making it formal.

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Speaker 2: It's called I called a hard launch, a hard launch.

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Speaker 2: So that's so yeah. I mean I feel like you've

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Speaker 2: course this isn't something I'd ever be interested in. But

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Speaker 2: so it's like, so, I so even even celebrating our

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Speaker 2: That's how I tell myself, because we got married at

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Speaker 2: we sort of have multiple anniversaries. And then of course

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Speaker 4: To be perfectly, you're left to select one of the two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly, So it's.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is a bit fifty years. It's just great.

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Speaker 4: It's what your hope, what your dream will happen, you know,

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Speaker 4: and you know it might not and and so yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well it's always a punch because you're a sector effectively

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Speaker 2: selecting someone that you hope you will grow with, don't you.

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Speaker 2: Because the person you are today is inevitably in some

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Speaker 2: way is going to be different to the person you

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Speaker 2: were fifty years ago. But you sort of hope that

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Speaker 2: you're underlying values and your underlying persona or character is

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Speaker 2: in that time. Yes, yeah, exactly, it's really lovely Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations and please pass on our congrats to your better

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Speaker 1: It's Saturday morning with Jack team on News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Jack, I managed to fit my first date, engagement

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Speaker 2: We're taking our sister to a netball games this morning.

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Speaker 5: Got v kelder Jack. You'll be pleased to know I

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Speaker 5: I'm sure they thought about that, and I'm sure they

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Speaker 4: Much, but they'll leave the play.

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Speaker 5: By my calculations, the Blues or the Canes or the Brumbies.

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Speaker 5: But all eyes will be of course on Hamilton tonight

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Speaker 6: Should be a good game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it should be a great game repeatd last year's

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Speaker 5: I think they've clearly done it because they thought if

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. Fifteen Mowana PACIFICA players released from the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a lot of players to let go. Reading

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Speaker 5: but I'm sure other teams have been circling around him

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Speaker 5: Players to let go, but it will free up salary

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did you know anything about Rob Walter, the new

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Speaker 4: So I think it's a good choice.

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Speaker 5: I think a guy who's obviously had extensive coaching, He's

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Speaker 4: Well, and there's a lot of Black Caps was born

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Speaker 2: You were going to say it, not me?

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Speaker 5: Say to him yesterday with tongue feeling cheek, did he

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Speaker 5: know of any young South Africans wanting to come and

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: But no, I just think he'll I think he'll Garry

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Speaker 2: And it's a sort of funny time for cricket a

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the biggest issue is going to be keeping

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Speaker 2: Before we let you go. Warrior Sharks tonight Sydney.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but game.

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Speaker 5: I think the Warriors have now won three away games

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Speaker 5: Challenged tonight in Cronulla at the Sharks without much Bunny

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Speaker 7: Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Cameras flipped me a note to say Jack, I live

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Speaker 8: Like your days, your ain't exploding like five would scarce.

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Speaker 2: Don't you win the body?

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Speaker 3: I can do this all.

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Speaker 2: going to come out in September. So I'm sure we're

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Speaker 2: going to be hearing our whole lot more about that.

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Speaker 2: Getting text from all around the country this morning. Turns

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Speaker 2: out it's not very warm anywhere. Marses and Hawk's Bay

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Speaker 2: and says Jack, You're not gonna believe it's just started

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Speaker 2: sleeting here and I'm working in this. Good luck, mars

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Speaker 2: keep warm cold as and wanaka perfect for snowmaking.

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Speaker 4: Today.

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Speaker 2: Good to hear right now is twenty four to ten

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Speaker 2: on News Talks. He'd be Francesca Rudkin is our film reviewer,

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Speaker 2: and she's here with this week's pick Scout of Francisca.

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Speaker 9: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's start off where the movie is showing in

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Speaker 2: cinemas at the moment. From the world of John Wick.

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Speaker 2: This is Ballerina.

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Speaker 10: In Slavic mythology, the kima is a spirit that exists

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Speaker 10: in the shadows. To those with darkness in their hearts.

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Speaker 10: She can be vengeful. To the inner sector, she can

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Speaker 10: be a protector. He's up to you the juice.

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Speaker 2: Dun Dun, dun tell us about Bellerina.

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Speaker 9: Okay, so the.

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Speaker 11: Full title of this film is from the world of

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Speaker 11: John Wick Bellerina. You should give you a little a

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Speaker 11: bit of an idea about what you're in for here.

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Speaker 11: So this is the fifth installment of the John Wick franchise.

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Speaker 11: It is a spin off that sits sits between the

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Speaker 11: events of john Wick Chapter three and chapter four.

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Speaker 9: Doesn't matter.

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Speaker 11: You don't really need to know that. If you're really

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Speaker 11: into John Wick, you'll you'll love seeing sort of reoccurring

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Speaker 11: characters and all that kind of thing. But if you're not,

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Speaker 11: if you're not huguely familiar with all the films, it

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Speaker 11: does not matter. The original John Wick film was released

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Speaker 11: in twenty fourteen. It was made on about a thirty

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Speaker 11: million dollar budget. Of course, starre Encounter reeves no one

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Speaker 11: kind of thought it was going to be hugely successful.

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Speaker 11: These films are no one for being ultra violent and

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Speaker 11: very entertaining along with it, but became a bit of

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Speaker 11: a cult classic and next thing, you know, they're making

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Speaker 11: films on a hundred million dollar budget and this is

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Speaker 11: now everyone is a little bit surprised. It's turned into

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Speaker 11: a billion dollar box off this franchise. So this is

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Speaker 11: very much more of the same. But there's two things

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Speaker 11: that make this film work.

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Speaker 9: The first thing is.

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Speaker 11: They've kind of given up pretending that these films are

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Speaker 11: anything more than just a gun fight from the beginning

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Speaker 11: to the end. You know, they've been there have been

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Speaker 11: films where they've tried to kind of do world building

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Speaker 11: and create kind of you know, some intriguan No, we

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Speaker 11: go to this film purely for entertainment. It is like

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Speaker 11: a first person shoot a video game. I suppose on

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Speaker 11: the big screen that's what it's about.

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Speaker 9: And in this one they go, that's what we're about.

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Speaker 11: Let's just get on with it, and my goodness, they

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Speaker 11: this is not the most relaxing film I've seeing.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 11: The second thing that they've got that they did right

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Speaker 11: was they got Amada Amas to start as our lead

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Speaker 11: assassin Eve and she is just fantastic in this revenge plot.

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Speaker 9: So she's a ballerina.

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Speaker 11: She trained with the assassin tribe the Ruskioma, run by

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Speaker 11: Angelica Houston, and she was. She's a young assassin who's

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Speaker 11: sort of been allowed out to get.

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Speaker 9: On with her work.

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Speaker 11: She comes across the tribe of assassins who killed her

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Speaker 11: father when she was a child, and she decides to

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Speaker 11: go off on her own on this very ultra violent

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Speaker 11: sort of vengeance sort of mission. Really simple plot, really

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Speaker 11: simple idea, we've seen it all before, but she is

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Speaker 11: just she's something else. When she's training, she's told, you

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Speaker 11: need to fight like a girl, because yeah, you're going

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Speaker 11: to come acros people who are stronger than you, so

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Speaker 11: you can.

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Speaker 12: Have to do whatever it takes.

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Speaker 9: I'll tell you what, this woman does not fight like

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Speaker 9: a girl. She doesn't fight like a man.

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Speaker 13: She just fights like the best fight of.

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Speaker 9: Your going to come across.

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Speaker 11: Like what she can do yet with a gun, a knife,

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Speaker 11: with your hand combat is hugely impressive. What she can

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Speaker 11: do with ice skates is terrifying.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and also flame throwers.

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Speaker 9: I mean there is not there is not an instrument.

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Speaker 13: She cannot reeld with great power.

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Speaker 4: It was full on.

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Speaker 9: So as they said, this is not relaxing.

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Speaker 11: But if this if you love the John Work films

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Speaker 11: and you want ridiculous.

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Speaker 13: Action from beginning to eat.

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Speaker 9: You're going to get into this.

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Speaker 11: You just buy into it and you go along for

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Speaker 11: the ride that never lives up and Ciano Reads makes

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Speaker 11: a little appearance as well.

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Speaker 2: All good. Okay, see, I can tell now why they've

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Speaker 2: made the made the title from the world of John

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Speaker 2: Wick Ballerina as opposed to just ballerina. If they called

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Speaker 2: it Ballerina. And then there's a film like this, there

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Speaker 2: might be a few people.

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Speaker 14: A bit of a rough.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, okay. Now screening as part of the French

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Speaker 2: Film Festival is a black comedy called How to Make

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Speaker 2: a Killing. So tell us about how to make a killing?

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Speaker 14: Okay.

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Speaker 11: So my theme today with both these films is that

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Speaker 11: they involve criminal gangs, but they deal with them in

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Speaker 11: very different kinds of way.

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Speaker 9: Way.

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Speaker 11: So the French Film Festival is traveling the country. It

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Speaker 11: goes everywhere. It's fantastic. It's on till the end of June.

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Speaker 11: And I really love law Calamack. She's an actress who

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Speaker 11: was an antoinette in The Seven, which is a film

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Speaker 11: I just loved, and she is back in this black

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Speaker 11: crime comedy.

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Speaker 9: And she starts along.

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Speaker 11: She's part of a lovely couple. They're just very ordinary

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Speaker 11: rural people in a mountain sort of area in France.

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Speaker 11: They they grow pine trees and a pretty simple life. Anyway,

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Speaker 11: her husband, Michelle, he swerves one day to avoid a

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Speaker 11: bear on the road. They don't often get bears where

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Speaker 11: they are, and then he sort of accidentally hits another

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Speaker 11: car and there's some consequences from that where.

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Speaker 9: A couple die.

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Speaker 11: And he's a very sort of calm, relaxed, understated gentleman,

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Speaker 11: so he kind of looks at what's happened and he

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Speaker 11: goes home and he tells his wife and his son,

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Speaker 11: his young son, I killed a couple today. And so

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Speaker 11: she's a big reader of crime books and so she's like, Okay,

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Speaker 11: we've got to sort this out. We've got to remove

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Speaker 11: you from the picture. And she comes up with this

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Speaker 11: idea that if they get rid of the bodies, if

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Speaker 11: there's no bodies and there's no crime, and they'll be

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Speaker 11: off there. So if they go back to this car,

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Speaker 11: try and tidy out this mess, and all they do

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Speaker 11: is just create another big mess, but they also find

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Speaker 11: a bag of money, and off we go on this

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Speaker 11: kind of crazy adventure in this small town where you

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Speaker 11: can kind of see people's logic. But what happens is

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Speaker 11: they just create this really nutty scenario. And I love

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Speaker 11: the fact because it's just everybody. It's just ordinary, everyday

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Speaker 11: people did worth situation they're not used to. We've got

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Speaker 11: we've got drug dealers, we've got you know, drug mules,

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Speaker 11: we've got gang members, and.

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Speaker 9: Then we've just got this lovely police force.

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Speaker 15: And I did.

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Speaker 9: I really enjoyed the police force. Who they're not.

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Speaker 11: They're smart people. They don't live in this world, right,

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Speaker 11: The safe they don't. No one can remember what the

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Speaker 11: code is for the safe. The cell doesn't lock because

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Speaker 11: the lock broke and they never used need to use it.

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Speaker 11: So that doesn't look like it's just it's just gorgeous.

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Speaker 11: So it's just this kind of, you know, this high

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Speaker 11: brow kind of gang thing that sort of takes place

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Speaker 11: in this very low.

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Speaker 13: Key, little rural fringe town.

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Speaker 11: Quite delightful, loved it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that sounds like a lot of fun. That's

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Speaker 2: how to make a killing. At screening as part of

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Speaker 2: the French Film Festival and hey, I see that the

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Speaker 2: Oscar winning film. I think I want an Oscar an

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Speaker 2: aura is now on me on.

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Speaker 11: A yes, So look, if you missed it when it

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Speaker 11: was out at the movies at Christmas time, and you

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Speaker 11: have me on it as free to get into it

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Speaker 11: and enjoy.

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Speaker 2: I think we're going to do this every week. Well,

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Speaker 2: every week there's something good. Any of that time there's

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Speaker 2: been a really good little you know, like an Oscar

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Speaker 2: Winner film that's really taken your attention, that you've fancied

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Speaker 2: and it's heading the streaming services for the first time.

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Speaker 2: Then we can let everyone know in case they've missed

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Speaker 2: it in cinemas, yep, exactly.

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Speaker 9: So you know when it's available on a streaming service

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Speaker 9: for free.

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Speaker 11: I'm going to let you know when the films that

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Speaker 11: you should have seen this here that you've missed are available.

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Speaker 3: Love it.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks Ray Sesca, have a great weekend and we

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Speaker 2: will see you again very soon. So franch Exis Film

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Speaker 2: Picks this weekend from the world of John Wick Ballerina.

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Speaker 2: That's the one that's showing in cinemas at the moment,

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Speaker 2: the hyper violent one, the one at the French Film

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Speaker 2: Festival is how to Make a Killing. After ten o'clock

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Speaker 2: this morning, if you're just feeling like a weekend veging

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Speaker 2: out on the couch, there's this new Robin Malcolm show

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Speaker 2: that has just hit Netflix. It's actually Australian drama, but

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Speaker 2: we're going to tell you about that. And as well

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Speaker 2: after ten o'clock this morning. Right now, though it is quarter.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Milne and his wife Linda are celebrating the fiftieth

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Speaker 2: Their fiftieth wedding anniversary, but it's got us thinking about

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Speaker 2: which anniversaries you do and don't celebrate. How about this, Jack,

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Speaker 2: good morning. I'm not a Star Wars fan, despite being

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Speaker 2: a guy in my early forties. However, the smartest thing

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Speaker 2: May the fourth be with you. Absolutely no excuse to

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Speaker 3: Day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, true that it's a good one, isn't it. My

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Speaker 2: parents got married on New Year's Day, which is a controversial,

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Speaker 2: a very controversial call, because I don't know if you've

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Speaker 2: ever heard, but it turns out that quite a few

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Speaker 2: people party hard on New Year's Eve. It meant that

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Speaker 2: some of the wedding day photos were just my may

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Speaker 2: or may might or might not have been a few

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Speaker 2: we need not throw stones. Twelve minutes to ten on

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Speaker 2: News Talks, eDV Nicki Wicks our cook is here with

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Speaker 16: How do people pick the wearing David your pearans?

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Speaker 2: Well, I actually I've mislead people. So yeah, so they

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Speaker 2: and so he and so he and my dad I think,

650
00:32:23,093 --> 00:32:26,533
Speaker 2: flipped a coin to see, no, something ridiculous like this,

651
00:32:26,813 --> 00:32:28,453
Speaker 2: to see who would get married on what day? And

652
00:32:28,533 --> 00:32:30,933
Speaker 2: so the friend got married won the coin toss, and

653
00:32:31,013 --> 00:32:33,573
Speaker 2: so got married on the thirty first, and my parents

654
00:32:33,733 --> 00:32:35,813
Speaker 2: lost the coin toss. I got married the next day

655
00:32:35,853 --> 00:32:39,653
Speaker 2: on the first. It's like, guys, put two days in between, like,

656
00:32:40,053 --> 00:32:40,813
Speaker 2: am I the only one?

657
00:32:41,533 --> 00:32:44,013
Speaker 16: Not only that, as you say, there are other parties

658
00:32:44,093 --> 00:32:47,173
Speaker 16: going on at that time of the year. Everyone needs

659
00:32:47,173 --> 00:32:50,093
Speaker 16: a bit of a pick for your years. Got married

660
00:32:50,093 --> 00:32:54,453
Speaker 16: in the middle of winds great idea, yea, the sensible.

661
00:32:54,813 --> 00:32:59,133
Speaker 2: Anyway, it is anyway, So I think what next week

662
00:32:59,413 --> 00:33:03,053
Speaker 2: is Celiac week, right, and so we want to talk

663
00:33:03,053 --> 00:33:04,893
Speaker 2: about gluten free baking this morning. But I think we

664
00:33:04,973 --> 00:33:07,813
Speaker 2: want to be really clear for anyone who hears gluten

665
00:33:07,853 --> 00:33:12,853
Speaker 2: friend goes er. Gluten free food can and often is delicious,

666
00:33:12,933 --> 00:33:16,293
Speaker 2: even if you're not gluten free totally totally.

667
00:33:16,373 --> 00:33:20,053
Speaker 16: It's got a really bad rap because the early sort

668
00:33:20,093 --> 00:33:22,533
Speaker 16: of inventions I suppose of gluten free baking.

669
00:33:22,333 --> 00:33:24,053
Speaker 11: For example, were like cardboard.

670
00:33:24,173 --> 00:33:26,013
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can attest to that they really were.

671
00:33:26,093 --> 00:33:29,493
Speaker 2: But anything with almond meal, we've had this con you've

672
00:33:29,813 --> 00:33:31,853
Speaker 2: almond meal and something, my godness.

673
00:33:32,173 --> 00:33:35,253
Speaker 16: So much fat in that arm and it's just beautiful

674
00:33:35,253 --> 00:33:38,213
Speaker 16: and it's healthy fats as well. So I agree, and

675
00:33:38,773 --> 00:33:41,413
Speaker 16: I do think that this sort of this this week,

676
00:33:41,573 --> 00:33:46,373
Speaker 16: this upcoming week, I really wanted to, I suppose, reassure

677
00:33:46,453 --> 00:33:49,173
Speaker 16: people that it's not just a thing that people dream up.

678
00:33:49,293 --> 00:33:53,133
Speaker 16: It's an absolute condition. It's not an allergy or intolerance.

679
00:33:53,173 --> 00:33:56,533
Speaker 16: It's actually an autoimmune disease. And so if you are

680
00:33:56,573 --> 00:34:00,253
Speaker 16: predisposed and you have celiac disease, it means your body,

681
00:34:00,373 --> 00:34:04,613
Speaker 16: your lovely six point seven meter long and small intestine

682
00:34:04,693 --> 00:34:08,173
Speaker 16: that does all the work about taking in all nutrients

683
00:34:08,253 --> 00:34:11,933
Speaker 16: for what goes into it, cannot and will not process

684
00:34:12,053 --> 00:34:15,533
Speaker 16: those nutrients if you've got gluten in there. So it's

685
00:34:15,813 --> 00:34:18,493
Speaker 16: a real problem for people. There are also an allergies

686
00:34:18,573 --> 00:34:21,333
Speaker 16: or intolerances where people feel a bit yuck, get a

687
00:34:21,373 --> 00:34:24,973
Speaker 16: bit inflamed, feel a bit bloated, irritable, bow all that

688
00:34:25,093 --> 00:34:27,213
Speaker 16: sort of thing, and that deserves to be kind of

689
00:34:27,253 --> 00:34:30,053
Speaker 16: acknowledged as well. It's funny, isn't it, Jack, These kind

690
00:34:30,133 --> 00:34:34,453
Speaker 16: of uzine issues quite often, you know, just produce an

691
00:34:34,493 --> 00:34:39,693
Speaker 16: eye roll in people. Also because gluten intolerant people celiacs

692
00:34:40,093 --> 00:34:43,053
Speaker 16: need to be much more careful. But gluten intolerant people

693
00:34:43,533 --> 00:34:46,173
Speaker 16: like me. Sometimes I'll eat breads, so people go, oh, look,

694
00:34:46,213 --> 00:34:46,933
Speaker 16: she's eating bread.

695
00:34:47,333 --> 00:34:47,533
Speaker 3: Yeah.

696
00:34:47,573 --> 00:34:49,613
Speaker 16: What I say to people is, you know, if you're

697
00:34:49,653 --> 00:34:52,853
Speaker 16: someone who gets a hangover, sometimes you still get drunk,

698
00:34:52,973 --> 00:34:56,053
Speaker 16: don't you, But then you you just suffer the consequences

699
00:34:56,093 --> 00:34:59,253
Speaker 16: because you wanted that, So it's a little bit the same. So, yeah,

700
00:34:59,613 --> 00:35:02,293
Speaker 16: it's a thing, and it's really worth having a few

701
00:35:02,413 --> 00:35:04,813
Speaker 16: fantastic little recipes up your.

702
00:35:04,733 --> 00:35:07,053
Speaker 2: Sleeves and you have one for us small that is

703
00:35:07,453 --> 00:35:10,613
Speaker 2: not only delicious, but the good thing about this is like,

704
00:35:11,173 --> 00:35:12,933
Speaker 2: this is a this is a chocolate biscuit that is

705
00:35:13,013 --> 00:35:15,053
Speaker 2: really going to kind of satiate you. Right, So you're

706
00:35:15,053 --> 00:35:19,213
Speaker 2: not going to eat fifty well no in one city.

707
00:35:19,493 --> 00:35:21,013
Speaker 2: Yeah no, you're not going to eat fifty.

708
00:35:21,053 --> 00:35:22,733
Speaker 16: You're not going to eat eight like I did with

709
00:35:22,813 --> 00:35:25,653
Speaker 16: the beautiful gluten free gingernuts that I got sent by.

710
00:35:25,613 --> 00:35:27,493
Speaker 2: Cea Egg for the Sea.

711
00:35:28,173 --> 00:35:30,853
Speaker 16: I had six and then I had another two. I

712
00:35:30,973 --> 00:35:31,733
Speaker 16: may have had more.

713
00:35:32,613 --> 00:35:34,053
Speaker 2: Judge me, Yeah, I know.

714
00:35:34,333 --> 00:35:34,853
Speaker 9: These ones.

715
00:35:34,933 --> 00:35:36,373
Speaker 16: I could not do that. These ones have got a

716
00:35:36,413 --> 00:35:39,253
Speaker 16: cup of peanut butter in them. And so for those

717
00:35:39,293 --> 00:35:41,213
Speaker 16: of you who have you know, been tempted to switch

718
00:35:41,293 --> 00:35:43,333
Speaker 16: off because it was gluten free, and now you go,

719
00:35:43,573 --> 00:35:46,613
Speaker 16: oh hope, peanut butter and baking. I don't love it either,

720
00:35:46,693 --> 00:35:49,373
Speaker 16: but these are the bomb, I'm telling you. So here

721
00:35:49,373 --> 00:35:52,533
Speaker 16: you go, oven on one eighty degrees line, a baking

722
00:35:52,613 --> 00:35:55,173
Speaker 16: tray with some baking paper, and all you do is

723
00:35:55,213 --> 00:35:57,493
Speaker 16: in an electric bet or a food process that you

724
00:35:57,813 --> 00:36:00,413
Speaker 16: take about three quarters of a cup of sugar, and

725
00:36:00,493 --> 00:36:02,693
Speaker 16: I like the larger granulationship and not.

726
00:36:02,733 --> 00:36:04,533
Speaker 9: Past sugar yet regular sugar.

727
00:36:04,893 --> 00:36:07,533
Speaker 16: Three quarters of a cup. Extend it to a cup

728
00:36:07,573 --> 00:36:10,013
Speaker 16: if you really love very very sweet things. One cup

729
00:36:10,013 --> 00:36:13,813
Speaker 16: of peanut butter, one cup of peanut butter, pat full

730
00:36:13,853 --> 00:36:17,173
Speaker 16: of protein, one large egg, and you want to just

731
00:36:17,293 --> 00:36:19,333
Speaker 16: mix all of that until it's kind of a nice

732
00:36:20,573 --> 00:36:22,973
Speaker 16: paste if you like. And then throw in your chopped chocolate,

733
00:36:23,413 --> 00:36:26,293
Speaker 16: and you can use a teaspoon or two of vanilla

734
00:36:26,373 --> 00:36:27,293
Speaker 16: extract if you like.

735
00:36:27,413 --> 00:36:28,573
Speaker 12: You could leave that out as well.

736
00:36:29,333 --> 00:36:32,013
Speaker 16: It's quite a clumpy dough jack. It's sort of like, oh,

737
00:36:32,133 --> 00:36:34,333
Speaker 16: this is all a bit weird, because I like to

738
00:36:34,413 --> 00:36:37,733
Speaker 16: keep that dark chocolate really nice and big. Roll them

739
00:36:37,773 --> 00:36:41,853
Speaker 16: into balls and it'll make about twelve that's Roll it

740
00:36:41,893 --> 00:36:44,373
Speaker 16: in balls and then flatten about the size of a

741
00:36:44,413 --> 00:36:46,613
Speaker 16: walnut or a golf ball. Flatten them with you with

742
00:36:46,693 --> 00:36:49,293
Speaker 16: the palm of your hand, and then into the oven

743
00:36:49,333 --> 00:36:52,053
Speaker 16: they go fourteen to sixteen minutes. I actually take them

744
00:36:52,053 --> 00:36:54,333
Speaker 16: out at eight minutes and I flatten them again because

745
00:36:54,373 --> 00:36:56,933
Speaker 16: I like a cookie that's quite flat. I don't like

746
00:36:56,973 --> 00:36:59,813
Speaker 16: a puffed up cookie, call them on a rack, eat

747
00:36:59,893 --> 00:37:03,333
Speaker 16: them and they are delicious. And I just recommend sometimes

748
00:37:03,373 --> 00:37:06,053
Speaker 16: that when you're doing gluten free cooking that you don't

749
00:37:06,133 --> 00:37:07,213
Speaker 16: tell people there gluten free.

750
00:37:07,413 --> 00:37:11,133
Speaker 2: Yes with that, yes, very very wise. Okay, all right, hey,

751
00:37:11,413 --> 00:37:13,213
Speaker 2: thank you so much. We'll make sure that recipe is

752
00:37:13,253 --> 00:37:15,253
Speaker 2: on the news talks he'd be website and Nikki actually

753
00:37:15,293 --> 00:37:19,013
Speaker 2: has two more delicious gluten free recipes and this weekend's

754
00:37:19,093 --> 00:37:20,533
Speaker 2: edition of Canvas.

755
00:37:21,093 --> 00:37:23,573
Speaker 1: Giving you the inside scoop on All you Need to

756
00:37:23,693 --> 00:37:26,773
Speaker 1: Know Saturday Mornings with Jack dam and VPWRE dot co

757
00:37:26,933 --> 00:37:30,613
Speaker 1: dot nzet for high quality Supplements News talks'd be Well.

758
00:37:30,653 --> 00:37:32,773
Speaker 2: My parents were married on Christmas Day? How about that?

759
00:37:32,853 --> 00:37:35,253
Speaker 2: Here you go, Jack. My parents were married on Boxing

760
00:37:35,373 --> 00:37:39,053
Speaker 2: Day in the Milton Presbyterian Church nineteen forty nine. I

761
00:37:39,133 --> 00:37:41,093
Speaker 2: was born eleven months later on the first of November.

762
00:37:41,573 --> 00:37:43,373
Speaker 2: Thank you, Kevin ninety two ninety two. If you want

763
00:37:43,373 --> 00:37:45,213
Speaker 2: to send us a text message this morning, you can

764
00:37:45,293 --> 00:37:48,053
Speaker 2: email me as well, of course, after ten o'clock this morning.

765
00:37:48,133 --> 00:37:51,373
Speaker 2: This new research out of Oxford University has some really

766
00:37:51,533 --> 00:37:55,053
Speaker 2: interesting insights on the pitfalls of vaping.

767
00:37:55,453 --> 00:37:55,613
Speaker 3: Now.

768
00:37:56,053 --> 00:37:59,693
Speaker 2: The research suggests that vaping is definitely a better alternative

769
00:38:00,053 --> 00:38:03,373
Speaker 2: to smoking, but that the danger of vaping is that

770
00:38:03,693 --> 00:38:05,933
Speaker 2: because it's kind of been cool and been taken up

771
00:38:05,933 --> 00:38:08,093
Speaker 2: by a lot of young people, lots of people are

772
00:38:08,173 --> 00:38:12,213
Speaker 2: vaping who otherwise would not have been smoking anyway. They've

773
00:38:12,253 --> 00:38:15,453
Speaker 2: done a whole weep of research into things like COPD

774
00:38:15,693 --> 00:38:18,973
Speaker 2: and other negative health effects. So I'm going to tell

775
00:38:18,973 --> 00:38:21,293
Speaker 2: you a bit more about that research after ten o'clock

776
00:38:21,493 --> 00:38:24,773
Speaker 2: this morning, as well as that Apple is preparing for

777
00:38:24,933 --> 00:38:28,533
Speaker 2: its developer conference that's the start of next week, and

778
00:38:29,493 --> 00:38:31,173
Speaker 2: the word on the grapevine is there are going to

779
00:38:31,173 --> 00:38:33,373
Speaker 2: be a whole lot of changes coming to the likes

780
00:38:33,573 --> 00:38:37,453
Speaker 2: of your iPhones operating software, if you use an iPad

781
00:38:37,893 --> 00:38:39,533
Speaker 2: or a MacBook, things are going to be changing on

782
00:38:39,573 --> 00:38:40,813
Speaker 2: that as well. So we're going to catch up with

783
00:38:40,853 --> 00:38:42,893
Speaker 2: our text, but he's going to explain exactly what's going

784
00:38:42,973 --> 00:38:45,213
Speaker 2: to be changing and if it's going to make life easier,

785
00:38:45,573 --> 00:38:47,653
Speaker 2: as well as that. Of course, our feature interview right

786
00:38:47,733 --> 00:38:49,933
Speaker 2: after the ten o'clock news. Cannot wait for this. It

787
00:38:50,053 --> 00:38:54,573
Speaker 2: is ten years since Nadia Limb first published Easy Weeknight Meals.

788
00:38:55,173 --> 00:38:58,533
Speaker 2: Nadia Limb maybe the busiest woman in the world, is

789
00:38:58,613 --> 00:39:00,533
Speaker 2: going to be with us right after the ten o'clock news.

790
00:39:00,573 --> 00:39:02,693
Speaker 2: It's almost ten, news is next. I've Jack tave, It's

791
00:39:02,693 --> 00:39:04,653
Speaker 2: Saturday Morning, and this is Newstalk.

792
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Speaker 4: Zed V.

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Speaker 1: A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with

794
00:39:09,653 --> 00:39:12,733
Speaker 1: Jack Day and vpure dot co dot insid for high

795
00:39:12,853 --> 00:39:14,493
Speaker 1: Quality Supplements news Talks.

796
00:39:38,133 --> 00:39:41,613
Speaker 2: Nadia Liimb is a chef with her fingers and basically

797
00:39:41,813 --> 00:39:44,693
Speaker 2: every pie. She's a master chef, New Zealand champion, a

798
00:39:44,773 --> 00:39:50,293
Speaker 2: cookbook author, a TV personality, an entrepreneur, and an inspiration

799
00:39:50,573 --> 00:39:52,413
Speaker 2: to many of us in the kitchen and in the

800
00:39:52,533 --> 00:39:56,213
Speaker 2: garden for that matter. Her recipes and her passion shape

801
00:39:56,253 --> 00:39:58,093
Speaker 2: the way that many of us approach food, and to

802
00:39:58,173 --> 00:40:00,413
Speaker 2: mark the tenth anniversary of a cookbook that got so

803
00:40:00,653 --> 00:40:03,813
Speaker 2: many of us excited to cook simple, healthy, delicious meals

804
00:40:03,813 --> 00:40:07,493
Speaker 2: at home, Easy Weeknight Meals has been re released in

805
00:40:07,573 --> 00:40:10,613
Speaker 2: a very special edition, Nadia Limb as well us this

806
00:40:10,693 --> 00:40:12,053
Speaker 2: morning Calder, good morning.

807
00:40:11,933 --> 00:40:13,813
Speaker 9: Sure, Hey Jack, it's good to talk to you. I

808
00:40:13,853 --> 00:40:14,933
Speaker 9: feel like it's been a while.

809
00:40:15,133 --> 00:40:17,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been a wee while. Good to have a

810
00:40:17,573 --> 00:40:20,493
Speaker 2: friend of the show back on the show. So yeah,

811
00:40:20,533 --> 00:40:22,813
Speaker 2: we we appreciate you giving us your time, especially given

812
00:40:22,853 --> 00:40:25,733
Speaker 2: you are basically just the world's most ridiculously busy person.

813
00:40:27,213 --> 00:40:27,973
Speaker 9: Speak for yourself.

814
00:40:30,013 --> 00:40:33,373
Speaker 2: Hey, So I can imagine that when the publisher comes

815
00:40:33,413 --> 00:40:37,573
Speaker 2: to you and says it's the tenth anniversary of Easy

816
00:40:37,613 --> 00:40:40,733
Speaker 2: week in Weeknight Meals that you kind of have two responses. Like,

817
00:40:40,853 --> 00:40:42,813
Speaker 2: part of you is like, oh, this would be a

818
00:40:42,813 --> 00:40:45,533
Speaker 2: really good opportunity to share some other recipes if we

819
00:40:45,693 --> 00:40:47,893
Speaker 2: if we do a bit of a tenth anniversary special edition.

820
00:40:48,373 --> 00:40:50,493
Speaker 2: But the other side of you is like, ten years,

821
00:40:50,573 --> 00:40:53,413
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what so how do you how do

822
00:40:53,453 --> 00:40:55,493
Speaker 2: you how do you reconcile those feelings?

823
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Speaker 14: Yeah?

824
00:40:56,933 --> 00:40:59,533
Speaker 13: Ten ten years goes faster. I feel like the older

825
00:40:59,893 --> 00:41:03,373
Speaker 13: you get, the faster time goes. I'm sure you know

826
00:41:03,453 --> 00:41:04,213
Speaker 13: lots of people.

827
00:41:05,133 --> 00:41:06,933
Speaker 9: Feel that way. My mum always used to say it,

828
00:41:06,973 --> 00:41:08,173
Speaker 9: and it's absolutely true.

829
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Speaker 13: I mean, I'm forty this year, and I started this

830
00:41:10,773 --> 00:41:13,493
Speaker 13: journey out when I was like twenty five, and gosh,

831
00:41:13,533 --> 00:41:16,213
Speaker 13: the time's just flown by. But it's often when like

832
00:41:16,573 --> 00:41:19,373
Speaker 13: I've always I've never been a great person at kind

833
00:41:19,413 --> 00:41:22,533
Speaker 13: of looking back in the past, but when anniversaries like

834
00:41:22,613 --> 00:41:24,853
Speaker 13: this come around, it's a good time to kind of

835
00:41:25,053 --> 00:41:27,533
Speaker 13: look back and stop pause and reflect and go, wow,

836
00:41:28,173 --> 00:41:31,973
Speaker 13: just think back to ten years ago and what things

837
00:41:32,013 --> 00:41:33,973
Speaker 13: were like back then, and what I was doing back then,

838
00:41:34,013 --> 00:41:35,733
Speaker 13: and what I was feeling back then, and what the

839
00:41:35,813 --> 00:41:38,973
Speaker 13: business was like back then, and you know, fast forward

840
00:41:39,013 --> 00:41:40,693
Speaker 13: to now, and it's it's a really good time to

841
00:41:40,973 --> 00:41:44,693
Speaker 13: reflect and I think about I remember creating this book

842
00:41:44,733 --> 00:41:47,773
Speaker 13: Easy Weeknight Meals, ten years ago, and I was brand

843
00:41:47,893 --> 00:41:50,213
Speaker 13: new into the into the industry. You know, it was

844
00:41:50,613 --> 00:41:53,493
Speaker 13: such a big deal to be creating a cookbook and

845
00:41:54,333 --> 00:41:56,253
Speaker 13: doing all the food starting for it and creating all

846
00:41:56,293 --> 00:41:59,133
Speaker 13: the recipes and writing them and editing them and all

847
00:41:59,173 --> 00:41:59,293
Speaker 13: of that.

848
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Speaker 9: And now I've had, you know, over ten years experience

849
00:42:01,893 --> 00:42:03,293
Speaker 9: of doing it, and it's just like I can do it,

850
00:42:03,453 --> 00:42:04,933
Speaker 9: you know, easy peasy.

851
00:42:04,733 --> 00:42:07,173
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well yeah easy. I mean

852
00:42:07,213 --> 00:42:09,133
Speaker 2: I'm easy peasy for you, not for the rest of

853
00:42:09,213 --> 00:42:13,293
Speaker 2: us maybe. But is it like when you think back

854
00:42:13,333 --> 00:42:16,093
Speaker 2: over that time, correct me if I'm wrong. You you

855
00:42:16,213 --> 00:42:18,613
Speaker 2: weren't living down south by that stage, jay, No.

856
00:42:18,813 --> 00:42:21,093
Speaker 11: No, We've only been down south for six years, yes,

857
00:42:22,053 --> 00:42:24,013
Speaker 11: at Auckland. And it was when so my food bag

858
00:42:24,133 --> 00:42:27,973
Speaker 11: is almost thirteen years old, or it's twelve years old.

859
00:42:28,653 --> 00:42:31,133
Speaker 11: So back then you know, the business was very very new.

860
00:42:31,853 --> 00:42:33,613
Speaker 11: It was only a couple of years old, and it

861
00:42:33,733 --> 00:42:35,093
Speaker 11: was in such a different place.

862
00:42:35,133 --> 00:42:37,933
Speaker 13: I mean back then we started off with just two

863
00:42:38,133 --> 00:42:41,053
Speaker 13: bags and you had if you ordered my food bag,

864
00:42:41,133 --> 00:42:43,733
Speaker 13: you had to get what I had said.

865
00:42:43,533 --> 00:42:45,133
Speaker 2: You were going to eat, yeah night.

866
00:42:45,693 --> 00:42:48,333
Speaker 9: And now, you know, fastward of just over ten years,

867
00:42:48,413 --> 00:42:49,453
Speaker 9: it is so different.

868
00:42:49,573 --> 00:42:53,493
Speaker 13: Now every week there's over thirty different recipes to choose from,

869
00:42:53,533 --> 00:42:56,173
Speaker 13: so people create their own bag now they can. And

870
00:42:56,293 --> 00:42:59,093
Speaker 13: now we have like vegan recipes and vegetarian recipes and

871
00:42:59,173 --> 00:43:02,173
Speaker 13: low card recipes and fresh start recipes and bargain box recipies.

872
00:43:02,453 --> 00:43:03,813
Speaker 9: Like, it's just so so different.

873
00:43:03,893 --> 00:43:05,973
Speaker 13: We've got the ready made meals and we've now got

874
00:43:06,013 --> 00:43:09,373
Speaker 13: a gift service called shop Like it's just a completely

875
00:43:09,413 --> 00:43:10,013
Speaker 13: different business.

876
00:43:10,053 --> 00:43:12,173
Speaker 2: It's massively expanded out. Well I'm not being paid to

877
00:43:12,213 --> 00:43:14,933
Speaker 2: say this, I swear, but we are my food bag

878
00:43:15,013 --> 00:43:18,733
Speaker 2: house and my wife and I always like have a

879
00:43:18,733 --> 00:43:20,613
Speaker 2: little competition to see who's going to be on the

880
00:43:20,693 --> 00:43:23,453
Speaker 2: app to choose the next week next week's meals. You know,

881
00:43:23,653 --> 00:43:27,453
Speaker 2: so yes, so absolutely love that. So if you go

882
00:43:27,573 --> 00:43:29,733
Speaker 2: back ten years, what did you want to try and

883
00:43:29,813 --> 00:43:31,373
Speaker 2: achieve with this book when it was first.

884
00:43:31,213 --> 00:43:34,853
Speaker 13: Published, well back then, it was just we just wanted

885
00:43:34,893 --> 00:43:38,493
Speaker 13: to put all of the top rated recipes into a collection,

886
00:43:39,333 --> 00:43:42,253
Speaker 13: and so that's simply how we did it. We so

887
00:43:42,533 --> 00:43:46,373
Speaker 13: from day one, we've always collected data and information from

888
00:43:46,413 --> 00:43:49,613
Speaker 13: our customers about which recipes they love the most. So

889
00:43:50,173 --> 00:43:52,253
Speaker 13: from day one, customers have always been able to rate

890
00:43:52,253 --> 00:43:55,173
Speaker 13: the recipes out of five and that data has come

891
00:43:55,253 --> 00:43:58,253
Speaker 13: in so handy because we know what people really want

892
00:43:58,613 --> 00:44:01,373
Speaker 13: and you know, there's it's it's it's kind of simple,

893
00:44:01,453 --> 00:44:03,813
Speaker 13: but it's also massively complicated at the same time, Like

894
00:44:03,893 --> 00:44:06,213
Speaker 13: if you could look into my food Bags data system,

895
00:44:06,453 --> 00:44:08,693
Speaker 13: it is a massive the amount of analysis we do.

896
00:44:08,813 --> 00:44:11,253
Speaker 13: There's like AI and everything involved in it now. But

897
00:44:11,333 --> 00:44:14,573
Speaker 13: there's all these continuums. There's all these like continuums where

898
00:44:14,773 --> 00:44:18,973
Speaker 13: things are rated on like on their taste and flavor

899
00:44:19,093 --> 00:44:23,693
Speaker 13: and the nutritional you know, their nutritional aspect, the convenience,

900
00:44:23,813 --> 00:44:26,533
Speaker 13: how fast they are, and the algorithms like put everything

901
00:44:26,613 --> 00:44:28,693
Speaker 13: together to come up with the perfect recipes.

902
00:44:29,093 --> 00:44:32,733
Speaker 9: It's it's it sounds simple, but it's kind of complicated.

903
00:44:32,813 --> 00:44:37,693
Speaker 2: But yeah, so you write the recipes now, well, so.

904
00:44:38,173 --> 00:44:40,933
Speaker 9: When we started again, this is just so crazy, how

905
00:44:41,173 --> 00:44:41,973
Speaker 9: fast time moves.

906
00:44:42,013 --> 00:44:43,733
Speaker 13: So when I first started out, you know, obviously it

907
00:44:43,773 --> 00:44:46,133
Speaker 13: started with me writing all of the recipes, and then

908
00:44:46,293 --> 00:44:49,773
Speaker 13: after about six months, I got an assistant who started

909
00:44:49,893 --> 00:44:51,853
Speaker 13: helping with writing and developing the recipes.

910
00:44:51,893 --> 00:44:54,653
Speaker 9: And then five years later there was probably about.

911
00:44:54,493 --> 00:44:58,213
Speaker 13: Twenty people in the development kitchen, and now we would

912
00:44:58,293 --> 00:45:00,293
Speaker 13: have I'm going to take a stab in the dark,

913
00:45:00,373 --> 00:45:03,413
Speaker 13: but this is a good educated guess, a good guestimation.

914
00:45:03,693 --> 00:45:08,253
Speaker 13: We've probably got about fifteen to twenty thousand recipes on our.

915
00:45:08,213 --> 00:45:10,733
Speaker 9: Database now, and they're all rated.

916
00:45:10,853 --> 00:45:13,733
Speaker 13: Like I was saying that, there's there's different scales for everything,

917
00:45:13,813 --> 00:45:18,253
Speaker 13: you know, convenience, how fast they taste, what ingredients they use,

918
00:45:18,373 --> 00:45:24,093
Speaker 13: their nutritional aspect, and so now the analysis can kind

919
00:45:24,133 --> 00:45:26,613
Speaker 13: of take an algorithm and put all those things together

920
00:45:26,773 --> 00:45:33,213
Speaker 13: and create recipes from those from that existing database. It's

921
00:45:33,293 --> 00:45:36,173
Speaker 13: like half human and half half algorithm.

922
00:45:36,413 --> 00:45:39,213
Speaker 2: Yeah that's pretty good. Yeah, Yeah, that's pretty cool.

923
00:45:39,893 --> 00:45:41,053
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, it's cool.

924
00:45:41,093 --> 00:45:43,653
Speaker 13: It's just kind of evolved to that now. But yeah,

925
00:45:43,653 --> 00:45:46,413
Speaker 13: it's quite a quite a like sophisticated system.

926
00:45:46,493 --> 00:45:49,413
Speaker 2: Now does it spit out a recipe that you're like, well,

927
00:45:49,453 --> 00:45:54,133
Speaker 2: hang on, like it's gone okay. People really love you know,

928
00:45:54,613 --> 00:45:57,893
Speaker 2: a tie green curry. But they also really love cheesy

929
00:45:58,013 --> 00:46:00,453
Speaker 2: beef sliders. And it's like, we've got your thie green

930
00:46:00,613 --> 00:46:04,093
Speaker 2: cheesy beef sliders, and you're thinking, I'm not percent sure

931
00:46:04,093 --> 00:46:04,933
Speaker 2: that there's going to land.

932
00:46:05,693 --> 00:46:08,853
Speaker 13: No, it's it's more like, so if people loved a

933
00:46:08,973 --> 00:46:12,213
Speaker 13: ti green curry, then you can you can go. Okay,

934
00:46:12,533 --> 00:46:13,453
Speaker 13: people loved.

935
00:46:13,533 --> 00:46:14,293
Speaker 9: The tigreen curry.

936
00:46:14,333 --> 00:46:16,453
Speaker 13: They love those flavors, but we want to use these

937
00:46:16,653 --> 00:46:20,133
Speaker 13: ingredients instead, Like we want to use carrots and tofu

938
00:46:20,213 --> 00:46:22,253
Speaker 13: and stuff instead, and we want to make it, you know,

939
00:46:22,453 --> 00:46:26,813
Speaker 13: fifteen fifteen minutes, and it needs to use a different protein.

940
00:46:28,693 --> 00:46:32,493
Speaker 9: Yeah, so there's still still a lot of humans involved.

941
00:46:32,533 --> 00:46:34,733
Speaker 13: Were still it's still all humans, you know, testing the

942
00:46:34,813 --> 00:46:38,533
Speaker 13: recipes and then taking the photographs and everything for it

943
00:46:38,613 --> 00:46:41,933
Speaker 13: and making sure that they work and fool proofing them.

944
00:46:42,093 --> 00:46:44,773
Speaker 2: So I would have just thought, like, if if the

945
00:46:44,933 --> 00:46:48,213
Speaker 2: algorithm was only considering my rankings, my concern would be

946
00:46:48,293 --> 00:46:51,253
Speaker 2: that all the five stars are for like the three

947
00:46:51,413 --> 00:46:53,933
Speaker 2: cheese knocki and stuff like that, you know, And so

948
00:46:54,093 --> 00:46:56,053
Speaker 2: like everycing when you when you're looking at the most

949
00:46:56,093 --> 00:46:59,493
Speaker 2: popular meals, it's just like, what is the most carbohydrates

950
00:46:59,733 --> 00:47:02,973
Speaker 2: for the highest number of cheeses. But obviously that's not

951
00:47:03,053 --> 00:47:03,413
Speaker 2: the case.

952
00:47:04,053 --> 00:47:05,013
Speaker 13: Have you been raising them?

953
00:47:05,053 --> 00:47:06,173
Speaker 9: You might be skewing the data.

954
00:47:06,733 --> 00:47:09,653
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, So tell us about this new edition

955
00:47:09,853 --> 00:47:11,493
Speaker 2: of the book, because you guys have gone with the

956
00:47:11,893 --> 00:47:13,853
Speaker 2: you took those popular recipes from the past, but you've

957
00:47:13,853 --> 00:47:14,933
Speaker 2: added in some new onestoe.

958
00:47:15,813 --> 00:47:18,693
Speaker 13: Yeah, so this it's ten years since this book, Easy

959
00:47:18,733 --> 00:47:22,253
Speaker 13: Week Night Meal was published. I believe since it was published,

960
00:47:22,253 --> 00:47:25,133
Speaker 13: it's been a using on bestseller since it's like that's

961
00:47:25,173 --> 00:47:29,373
Speaker 13: why it's still being published. And yeahs as the recipe,

962
00:47:29,493 --> 00:47:32,013
Speaker 13: as the title states, you know, it's just easy weeknight

963
00:47:32,093 --> 00:47:36,133
Speaker 13: meals and they're all full proof, incredibly delicious, easy to

964
00:47:36,213 --> 00:47:39,213
Speaker 13: put together recipes because of you know, all that data

965
00:47:39,293 --> 00:47:41,733
Speaker 13: that we've collected over the years. But this edition, to

966
00:47:41,853 --> 00:47:45,453
Speaker 13: celebrate the tenth edition, we've got sixteen extra bonus recipes

967
00:47:45,453 --> 00:47:48,093
Speaker 13: in it, and the whole book is divided into seasons

968
00:47:48,093 --> 00:47:49,853
Speaker 13: because that's you know, how.

969
00:47:49,773 --> 00:47:52,533
Speaker 9: We like to roll. We always use seasonal produce in

970
00:47:52,613 --> 00:47:56,213
Speaker 9: our recipes. Yeah, yeah, how has celebrated seasons.

971
00:47:56,333 --> 00:47:58,493
Speaker 2: How has been on the farm changed the way that

972
00:47:58,653 --> 00:48:03,213
Speaker 2: you think about seasons incredibly.

973
00:48:02,733 --> 00:48:05,933
Speaker 13: So it's like almost two extremes. So when we first

974
00:48:06,013 --> 00:48:06,773
Speaker 13: moved on to the farm.

975
00:48:06,853 --> 00:48:07,093
Speaker 17: I went.

976
00:48:07,573 --> 00:48:11,773
Speaker 9: I went crazy with trying to be self sufficient.

977
00:48:12,333 --> 00:48:15,453
Speaker 13: So I grew everything like I was like, I am

978
00:48:15,533 --> 00:48:19,133
Speaker 13: not eating it unless unless I've grown it, and so

979
00:48:19,613 --> 00:48:21,413
Speaker 13: and we had you know, of course we've got our

980
00:48:21,413 --> 00:48:23,293
Speaker 13: own meat, our own eggs, our own honey as well,

981
00:48:23,413 --> 00:48:27,573
Speaker 13: and our own fruit and vegetables. And I went quite extreme.

982
00:48:27,653 --> 00:48:30,693
Speaker 13: I really went one way to the point where the

983
00:48:30,773 --> 00:48:31,293
Speaker 13: poor kids.

984
00:48:31,373 --> 00:48:33,133
Speaker 9: I was like, Nap, it's pumpkin.

985
00:48:33,573 --> 00:48:36,973
Speaker 13: We're eating pumpkin for the next three months, nothing else.

986
00:48:38,653 --> 00:48:41,453
Speaker 13: But now I've kind of gone. Now I do. We

987
00:48:41,573 --> 00:48:44,653
Speaker 13: can't grow everything, and it is so much time. There's

988
00:48:45,093 --> 00:48:46,933
Speaker 13: quite a lot of time involved to be one hundred

989
00:48:46,933 --> 00:48:49,853
Speaker 13: percent self sufficient. So I will admit now I am

990
00:48:50,013 --> 00:48:52,293
Speaker 13: back to We get my food bag a couple of

991
00:48:52,373 --> 00:48:54,173
Speaker 13: times a week, so we get two to three meals

992
00:48:54,173 --> 00:48:56,933
Speaker 13: a week, and sometimes I do buy some of our

993
00:48:57,053 --> 00:48:59,733
Speaker 13: produce as well, but it's still a lot. But yeah,

994
00:49:00,173 --> 00:49:03,293
Speaker 13: it really makes you appreciate I find living down here.

995
00:49:04,373 --> 00:49:07,813
Speaker 13: It's very the seasons of very dramatic, Like the change

996
00:49:07,853 --> 00:49:11,253
Speaker 13: between each season is so dramatic, and it.

997
00:49:11,333 --> 00:49:12,293
Speaker 9: Is so on time.

998
00:49:12,373 --> 00:49:16,973
Speaker 13: It's crazy how on time, just like clockwork. Nature is

999
00:49:17,093 --> 00:49:19,773
Speaker 13: like within I would say there's a buffer of three

1000
00:49:19,853 --> 00:49:22,613
Speaker 13: days either side of the of when the season starts

1001
00:49:22,893 --> 00:49:25,893
Speaker 13: and it's just suddenly boom, like suddenly all the leaves

1002
00:49:25,893 --> 00:49:27,533
Speaker 13: are gone for the trees, and then we get a dumping,

1003
00:49:27,653 --> 00:49:31,773
Speaker 13: a snow dump. It's so so drastic, which is rich,

1004
00:49:31,893 --> 00:49:35,373
Speaker 13: is really really beautiful in it's in its own sense,

1005
00:49:35,493 --> 00:49:39,173
Speaker 13: but it really makes you appreciate, you know, the different

1006
00:49:39,293 --> 00:49:43,293
Speaker 13: produce when it comes around. Like, for example, we wouldn't

1007
00:49:43,333 --> 00:49:46,893
Speaker 13: eat you know, you get all this all these all

1008
00:49:46,933 --> 00:49:49,053
Speaker 13: this pitp fruit, Like we get so many apples at

1009
00:49:49,093 --> 00:49:51,933
Speaker 13: this kid of year, and it will last us because

1010
00:49:51,933 --> 00:49:54,733
Speaker 13: I keep them kind of in our our larder area

1011
00:49:54,773 --> 00:49:57,413
Speaker 13: in the cold storage area for you know, up to

1012
00:49:57,493 --> 00:49:59,453
Speaker 13: a couple of months, and then none of that and

1013
00:49:59,533 --> 00:50:02,613
Speaker 13: then and you go crazy with stewing everything and freezing

1014
00:50:02,693 --> 00:50:04,653
Speaker 13: it all and then you've got none of it for

1015
00:50:05,013 --> 00:50:08,013
Speaker 13: for ages. And yeah, so you eat a lot of

1016
00:50:08,133 --> 00:50:10,573
Speaker 13: one thing at the same time, but you really learned

1017
00:50:10,573 --> 00:50:12,173
Speaker 13: to appreciate it when it comes back around.

1018
00:50:12,413 --> 00:50:14,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, you've just been in Japan. I saw some

1019
00:50:14,853 --> 00:50:19,133
Speaker 2: photos on social media, but how was Tokyo really cool?

1020
00:50:19,253 --> 00:50:19,453
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1021
00:50:19,533 --> 00:50:22,493
Speaker 13: I did a quick kind of six day trip with

1022
00:50:22,693 --> 00:50:25,253
Speaker 13: my oldest son body who's nine years old. Now, I

1023
00:50:25,373 --> 00:50:28,253
Speaker 13: just thought, great age to travel, and it's so much

1024
00:50:28,293 --> 00:50:30,533
Speaker 13: easier just to travel with one kid rather than three.

1025
00:50:30,773 --> 00:50:34,253
Speaker 13: And yeah, so I just took him by myself, just

1026
00:50:34,333 --> 00:50:36,293
Speaker 13: the two of us, and it was a great mother

1027
00:50:36,453 --> 00:50:36,933
Speaker 13: son trip.

1028
00:50:37,053 --> 00:50:37,613
Speaker 9: Was so lovely.

1029
00:50:37,733 --> 00:50:41,133
Speaker 13: You know, at this age you really start seeing their

1030
00:50:41,613 --> 00:50:43,813
Speaker 13: personalities come out. And because he wasn't he didn't have

1031
00:50:43,893 --> 00:50:46,333
Speaker 13: his other brothers around, just spending that one on one

1032
00:50:46,413 --> 00:50:49,773
Speaker 13: time was real special. And yeah, we got out of

1033
00:50:49,813 --> 00:50:53,973
Speaker 13: the city a bit to some of the smaller suburbs,

1034
00:50:54,293 --> 00:50:57,373
Speaker 13: you know, not just like central Tokyo. The food was amazing,

1035
00:50:57,573 --> 00:50:59,373
Speaker 13: so good, it's hard to find a bad meal, Like

1036
00:50:59,453 --> 00:51:00,813
Speaker 13: we didn't have a bad We didn't have a single

1037
00:51:00,853 --> 00:51:01,253
Speaker 13: bad meal.

1038
00:51:01,293 --> 00:51:02,373
Speaker 9: All the food was so good.

1039
00:51:03,053 --> 00:51:05,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, how central was How central is food for you

1040
00:51:05,773 --> 00:51:06,333
Speaker 2: when you travel?

1041
00:51:07,413 --> 00:51:07,573
Speaker 4: Oh?

1042
00:51:07,853 --> 00:51:09,173
Speaker 9: Like everything.

1043
00:51:10,373 --> 00:51:13,533
Speaker 13: One thing obviously, And I always have this rule, like

1044
00:51:13,613 --> 00:51:16,573
Speaker 13: whenever I'm in a country, a different country, I will

1045
00:51:17,013 --> 00:51:21,013
Speaker 13: only eat their cuisine only. Like there is no way

1046
00:51:21,453 --> 00:51:24,493
Speaker 13: I would be eating pizza or pasta or anything like

1047
00:51:24,573 --> 00:51:28,333
Speaker 13: that in Japan, Like it is just Japanese food, strictly

1048
00:51:28,693 --> 00:51:33,013
Speaker 13: Japanese food only. And we tried like lots of different things,

1049
00:51:33,053 --> 00:51:34,973
Speaker 13: and I was so impressed. At nine years old, he's

1050
00:51:35,333 --> 00:51:37,853
Speaker 13: he was great. He was so keen to try so

1051
00:51:37,973 --> 00:51:40,693
Speaker 13: many different things, like we had our first night we had.

1052
00:51:41,093 --> 00:51:45,133
Speaker 13: I didn't realize, but I ordered shark cartilage in cemented

1053
00:51:45,213 --> 00:51:49,693
Speaker 13: plum sauce on the menu. It translated as plumb crystals,

1054
00:51:49,693 --> 00:51:51,773
Speaker 13: and I was like, oh, this sounds interesting and it

1055
00:51:51,853 --> 00:51:53,453
Speaker 13: was very crunchy, and I was like, what is that.

1056
00:51:54,013 --> 00:51:56,813
Speaker 13: They explained it to me in Japanese.

1057
00:51:56,373 --> 00:51:58,493
Speaker 9: And I translated it back. I was like, ah, this

1058
00:51:58,653 --> 00:51:59,653
Speaker 9: is shark cartilage.

1059
00:51:59,693 --> 00:52:02,533
Speaker 2: Okay, you get on the farm.

1060
00:52:03,493 --> 00:52:04,413
Speaker 13: Oh, definitely not.

1061
00:52:05,213 --> 00:52:08,973
Speaker 2: You know, lots lots of the person was the shark good.

1062
00:52:10,533 --> 00:52:13,933
Speaker 13: It's more of a textural thing, Like the flavor came

1063
00:52:14,013 --> 00:52:17,413
Speaker 13: from the fermented plum source, which I quite I quite enjoyed,

1064
00:52:18,573 --> 00:52:21,493
Speaker 13: but the shark cartilage is more just like a test.

1065
00:52:21,853 --> 00:52:24,093
Speaker 2: Just like a vehicle for the for the flavor, rather

1066
00:52:24,213 --> 00:52:26,533
Speaker 2: than the actual Yeah, you wouldn't have shark cartilage by

1067
00:52:26,573 --> 00:52:28,013
Speaker 2: itself necessarily.

1068
00:52:28,133 --> 00:52:29,733
Speaker 9: I don't think. So it doesn't have any flaps.

1069
00:52:29,813 --> 00:52:32,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, there's so good and good for

1070
00:52:32,093 --> 00:52:34,773
Speaker 2: you just kind of ordering random stuff off the menu

1071
00:52:34,853 --> 00:52:36,533
Speaker 2: as well, only you know, you gotta yeah.

1072
00:52:36,613 --> 00:52:36,813
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1073
00:52:36,973 --> 00:52:39,933
Speaker 2: Have you ever played the the Death Row Cuisine game?

1074
00:52:40,893 --> 00:52:44,253
Speaker 2: It's tell me how basically it's just if you could

1075
00:52:44,333 --> 00:52:47,013
Speaker 2: only eat one cuisine, so it's not one day, but

1076
00:52:47,133 --> 00:52:48,653
Speaker 2: one cuisine for the rest of your life.

1077
00:52:49,333 --> 00:52:53,013
Speaker 9: What would it be, Oh, it would be Japanese or Tie.

1078
00:52:53,173 --> 00:52:55,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, I reckon Japanese. Is such a good call, Okay, Yeah,

1079
00:52:55,933 --> 00:52:58,133
Speaker 2: I reckon Malaysians up there too, although maybe a bit

1080
00:52:58,253 --> 00:52:58,653
Speaker 2: rich better.

1081
00:52:59,533 --> 00:53:02,213
Speaker 13: Yeah, exactly. Love Malaysian food. I grew up in Malaysia

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Speaker 13: for seven years, so I love it, but couldn't eat

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00:53:04,733 --> 00:53:06,813
Speaker 13: it all the time because it is so it's fat,

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00:53:06,933 --> 00:53:10,093
Speaker 13: high salt, high sugar. Whereas Ties, probably if I had

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Speaker 13: to choose one thing for the rest of my life,

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Speaker 13: I'd probably go Tie because very very fresh, a lot

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Speaker 13: of fresh herbs, a lot of like citrus, zest and

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Speaker 13: that kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Then then you could throw the Vietnamese in there, and

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Speaker 2: then you've got got the little French, that little French

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00:53:22,533 --> 00:53:25,293
Speaker 2: influence as well. Now you know, I mean, there's no

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00:53:25,333 --> 00:53:27,093
Speaker 2: there's no right answer. This is the thing that's just

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Speaker 2: like what yeah, one, not a fusion of different Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you had a good trip and congratulations on

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Speaker 2: still having this book as a best seller and then

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Speaker 2: there's a remarkable achievement day.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, it's it's great.

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Speaker 13: I mean, it's just one of those things that it

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00:53:44,773 --> 00:53:47,653
Speaker 13: just ticks away because it stood the test of time

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00:53:47,733 --> 00:53:51,053
Speaker 13: simply because you know, these recipes work so well. They're

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00:53:51,133 --> 00:53:55,333
Speaker 13: just simple, they're healthy, and they're delicious, and that's that's

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Speaker 13: what people want, the Easy Weeknight Meals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tic tech. All right, Nadia, Well, will let you

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Speaker 2: get on with things. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 9: Great to talk again, Jack, Thank you so.

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Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, Nadia Limb. There, the tenth

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Speaker 2: and anivers thary edition of Easy Weeknight Meals is now

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Speaker 2: available in all Good bookstores. Right now is twenty one

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Speaker 2: minutes past ten, so before eleven o'clock on news Talk ZEDB,

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00:54:15,533 --> 00:54:17,373
Speaker 2: We've got some new vaping research for you out of

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00:54:17,453 --> 00:54:22,173
Speaker 2: Oxford University. Vaping is definitely better for you than smoking,

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Speaker 2: So if you're going to be regularly smoking or regularly vaping,

1113
00:54:24,413 --> 00:54:27,413
Speaker 2: apparently it's better to be regularly vaping. However, there are

1114
00:54:27,813 --> 00:54:31,373
Speaker 2: still all sorts of health implications that researchers are just

1115
00:54:31,613 --> 00:54:33,133
Speaker 2: starting to get to grips with. So I'm going to

1116
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Speaker 2: share those with you very shortly. Next up, though, if

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00:54:35,413 --> 00:54:37,573
Speaker 2: you're just looking for a nice, warm weekend on the

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00:54:37,653 --> 00:54:39,813
Speaker 2: couch given the weather, ever, we're I think it's probably

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Speaker 2: a very good call. We've got three shows to recommend

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Speaker 2: in our screen time segments Back in a minute.

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Speaker 1: Start your weekend off in style. Saturday Mornings with Jack

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00:54:50,013 --> 00:54:53,973
Speaker 1: Team and vpuit dot Code on inst for high quality supplements.

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Speaker 3: News Talks edb.

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Speaker 2: Twenty five past ten on news Talks AB, which means

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Speaker 2: it's screen time time. Tara awards here with her three

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Speaker 2: picks for watching or streaming stuff at home. Hey Tara,

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00:55:05,413 --> 00:55:08,693
Speaker 2: good morning. To begin with a show on Netflix starring

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Speaker 2: Robin Malcolm. Tell us about the survivors.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, if you see Robin Malcolm's name in a show,

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Speaker 18: you know it's going to be a great watch. And

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00:55:16,333 --> 00:55:19,133
Speaker 18: this new murder mystery definitely is. It's based on a

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Speaker 18: book by Jane Harper and it's set in Tasmania in

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00:55:22,333 --> 00:55:26,693
Speaker 18: a small beachside town called Evelyn Bay, where fifteen years earlier,

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Speaker 18: a huge storm killed three people. Robin Malcolm plays them.

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Speaker 18: Plays the mother of one of the boys who died,

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Speaker 18: and the drama begins when her other son returns home.

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Speaker 18: For a visit with his partner and their new baby.

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Speaker 18: A lot of locals still blame him for the deaths

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Speaker 18: during the storm, and there's a lot of bad feeling,

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Speaker 18: including from his own family. He meets a woman who's

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Speaker 18: come to town to investigate a disappearance that happened at

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Speaker 18: the same time as the storm, and then there's another murder,

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Speaker 18: and so all of this starts to dredge up a

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00:55:55,973 --> 00:55:58,453
Speaker 18: lot of grief and secrets and starts to tear the

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Speaker 18: community apart. And in a lot of ways, the survivors

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00:56:01,853 --> 00:56:04,293
Speaker 18: reminded me of the New Zealand series Friends Like Her

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00:56:04,493 --> 00:56:07,573
Speaker 18: in that it's set in the small community where everyone

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00:56:07,653 --> 00:56:11,093
Speaker 18: grew up together, everyone is connected. You've got this isolated,

1149
00:56:11,173 --> 00:56:14,253
Speaker 18: beautiful setting and there's lots of secrets under the surface,

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Speaker 18: and it's about grief and family and it's about the

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00:56:17,213 --> 00:56:20,493
Speaker 18: legacy of trauma on people. It is set up like

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00:56:20,533 --> 00:56:23,173
Speaker 18: a classic murder mystery, but there's a fantastic cast here

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00:56:23,253 --> 00:56:26,453
Speaker 18: who take it well above that. And Robin Malcolm plays

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00:56:26,493 --> 00:56:29,653
Speaker 18: this angry, grieving mother so beautifully. She steals every scene.

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Speaker 18: So a fantastic series and a great binge watch for

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Speaker 18: the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, that's The Survivors that's on Netflix. Also on Netflix,

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00:56:36,573 --> 00:56:37,493
Speaker 2: tell Us About Sarah.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, this is another murder mystery, but quite different in

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Speaker 18: tone and style. This is an Italian series Newton Netflix,

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00:56:45,613 --> 00:56:48,973
Speaker 18: and it's very gritty and dark and atmospheric kind of thriller.

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00:56:49,213 --> 00:56:52,573
Speaker 18: It's set in Naples and it's about a former secret

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00:56:52,653 --> 00:56:55,893
Speaker 18: service agent whose adult son is killed in the opening

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Speaker 18: moments of the show. They've been estranged for several years,

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00:56:58,973 --> 00:57:01,573
Speaker 18: so they didn't have a relationship. She doesn't know her son,

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00:57:02,253 --> 00:57:04,453
Speaker 18: but she's determined to find out why he died and

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00:57:04,573 --> 00:57:07,613
Speaker 18: proved that it wasn't an exident, and so she becomes

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00:57:07,653 --> 00:57:10,693
Speaker 18: a spy again to solve the mystery of his death,

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00:57:10,733 --> 00:57:13,613
Speaker 18: which means she has to confront all the ghosts from

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00:57:13,813 --> 00:57:16,813
Speaker 18: her own past about why she stopped working while also

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00:57:18,013 --> 00:57:21,093
Speaker 18: uncovering the truth about her son's life and discovering about

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Speaker 18: who he really was. And I think this is one

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Speaker 18: for fans of really moody murder mysteries. This is slow

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Speaker 18: paced and thoughtful. It's not your big, explosive kind of thriller.

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Speaker 18: But I think the grittiness of it and the Italian

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00:57:33,613 --> 00:57:37,813
Speaker 18: setting and this unconventional kind of hero who thankfully has

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Speaker 18: not lost her ability to read lips from a distance

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Speaker 18: and do all the cool spy things. I think all

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00:57:43,773 --> 00:57:45,093
Speaker 18: of that makes this worth checking out.

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Speaker 2: Nice. Okay, that's Sarah. That's on Netflix and on Apple TV.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about stick.

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00:57:50,453 --> 00:57:52,453
Speaker 18: This is a new sports comedy series. And if you

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00:57:52,493 --> 00:57:55,533
Speaker 18: are a golf fan, someone has finally made a TV

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00:57:55,613 --> 00:57:58,413
Speaker 18: show for you. This is pretty much ted Lasso for golf.

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00:57:58,973 --> 00:58:02,373
Speaker 18: It stars Owen Wilson. He plays a former golf champion

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00:58:02,453 --> 00:58:05,973
Speaker 18: called Price who is long past his prime. He's a

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00:58:05,973 --> 00:58:08,213
Speaker 18: bit whup, he's getting chucked out of his house. He's

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00:58:08,213 --> 00:58:11,733
Speaker 18: having a midlife crisis, and he meets this young prodigy

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00:58:11,973 --> 00:58:15,413
Speaker 18: at the golfing range who has amazing talent but just

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00:58:15,493 --> 00:58:17,933
Speaker 18: doesn't care about the sport. And so Price agrees to

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00:58:18,013 --> 00:58:21,533
Speaker 18: coach him and this becomes his shot at redemption. It's

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00:58:21,533 --> 00:58:24,613
Speaker 18: sorting his own life out and at gaining the respect

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00:58:24,653 --> 00:58:28,133
Speaker 18: of the golfing world again by helping this teenage player

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Speaker 18: qualify for the US Amateur Championships. And I think Apple

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Speaker 18: TV is trying to emulate that ted Lasso success here.

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Speaker 18: It's got that same kind of warm, gentle comedy, that

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00:58:37,773 --> 00:58:40,933
Speaker 18: same kind of charm. It's not particularly deep. You know,

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Speaker 18: it's a bit cliched, but you can kind of forgive that.

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Speaker 18: Very easy to watch one of those shows you can

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Speaker 18: chuck on on a Sunday afternoon and just relax into fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's Stick. That's on Apple TV. Sarah and The

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00:58:53,733 --> 00:58:56,413
Speaker 2: Survivors are both on Netflix, and all of those shows

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Speaker 2: will be at Newstalks headb dot co dot nz. Ray

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00:58:59,533 --> 00:59:01,293
Speaker 2: has just flipped me a night to say, Jack, that

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00:59:01,413 --> 00:59:04,133
Speaker 2: chocolate biscuit recipe you share before ten o'clock sounds amazing.

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Speaker 2: Where can I get it the same place? Ray, Go

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Speaker 2: to the News talks 'B website and you'll be able

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00:59:08,413 --> 00:59:09,933
Speaker 2: to find it there. But it's just coming up to

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Speaker 2: ten thirty.

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Speaker 1: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack team

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Speaker 1: on News talks 'B.

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Speaker 14: She said, I'm a lil come.

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Speaker 19: I want to.

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Speaker 20: Come people to want to sleep with common people, to

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00:59:32,333 --> 00:59:34,973
Speaker 20: sleep with common people like you.

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Speaker 14: What else could have I said?

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Speaker 3: Oh, let's see welcome.

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Speaker 2: That is, of course the voice of Javas Cocker common

1219
00:59:45,893 --> 00:59:48,013
Speaker 2: people from Pop. So if you're just catching up to Pop,

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00:59:48,013 --> 00:59:51,973
Speaker 2: I don't know where you've been, but don't worry Oh well,

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00:59:52,013 --> 00:59:53,493
Speaker 2: maybe you should worry. You've got a whole lot to

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00:59:53,533 --> 00:59:55,613
Speaker 2: catch up on. They've done seven full albums, at least

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00:59:55,653 --> 00:59:58,933
Speaker 2: four deluxe or remastered editions, a live album, War two,

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00:59:59,093 --> 01:00:02,533
Speaker 2: the three decades of britt pop history that you're going

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Speaker 2: to have to catch up on. But if you are

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Speaker 2: just catching up with pop now, it was a very

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01:00:07,053 --> 01:00:09,693
Speaker 2: good time to do so, because the Sheffield art rock

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Speaker 2: on Som is back with their first album since two

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Speaker 2: thousand and one, and it's like a genuine kind of

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Speaker 2: reunion album as well. So Poulp members from the band's

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Speaker 2: Imperial phase are back, Candid de Doyle, Nick Banks, Mark

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Speaker 2: Webber with Jarvis Cocker at the helm of course and

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Speaker 2: that voice so you just know it's Javis Cocker. Also

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Speaker 2: a name like Jarvis Cocker, You've got no option but

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Speaker 2: to be a rock star, don't you reckon?

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Speaker 20: Anyway.

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Speaker 2: The new album is called More and it's dedicated to

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Speaker 2: Bassis Steve Mackey, who played on every Polp record since

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven Freaks before he died in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: so twenty four years since their last album, thirty years

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Speaker 2: since they headlined Glastonbury at their Common People Peak do

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Speaker 2: Pulp still got it. Our music reviewer Stelle is going

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Speaker 2: to be with us before midday and she's going to

1244
01:01:03,613 --> 01:01:05,973
Speaker 2: give us her thoughts. Tell us if she reckons, it's

1245
01:01:06,053 --> 01:01:07,733
Speaker 2: up to the Mustard. Will make sure we save a

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01:01:07,773 --> 01:01:09,493
Speaker 2: bit of time so we can play yourself a pulps

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Speaker 2: new music as well. In a couple of minutes, our

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01:01:11,933 --> 01:01:15,053
Speaker 2: Textbert with what we can expect the big announcements to

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01:01:15,173 --> 01:01:18,653
Speaker 2: be next week's Apple's Developer Conference. Right now, it's twenty

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Speaker 2: six to eleven on Newstalks, EDB.

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01:01:23,093 --> 01:01:26,893
Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 21: Parliament endorse the Privileges Committee recommendation around the Maori Party

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Speaker 21: chair of the Privileges Committee due to the Coldon's back

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Speaker 21: with us.

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Speaker 12: Which is not about the harker. It's not about the interrupts,

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Speaker 12: the stringer pointing and chums. There's a gun movement at

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Speaker 12: three amps and none of the protocols we're respected in Parliament.

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Speaker 3: Whatever we do, we've.

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Speaker 12: Got to follow those protocols.

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Speaker 21: That's the arrogance of it, isn't it.

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Speaker 14: I don't I can't.

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Speaker 21: I can't work out whether they want to get it

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Speaker 21: or don't want to get it or do get it,

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Speaker 21: but just don't want to run it for onion. In

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Speaker 21: other words, I just don't take them seriously. I just

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Speaker 21: I'm so fed up and sick of the part.

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Speaker 3: Well I think they're not serious people.

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Speaker 12: No, no, well they're not serious people.

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Speaker 21: Back Monday from six am the Mic asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 21: the Defender, O Newstalk said B.

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Speaker 2: Twenty four to eleven on News Talks, he'd be Jack Morden.

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Speaker 2: I love hearing Nadia Limb on the radio. I've got

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Speaker 2: every one of her cookbooks, including Easy Weeknight Meals, which

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Speaker 2: I still use ten years on because those recipes are

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Speaker 2: winner with my three kids. Love Nadia's philosophy on food,

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Speaker 2: keep out in the amazing work. Yeah, that was a

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Speaker 2: wonderful interview. She's just such a joy, Nadia, So thank

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Speaker 2: you for that. Ninety two ninety two is the text

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Speaker 2: number if you want to send us a message this morning.

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Speaker 2: Apple has its big developer conference in a couple of

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Speaker 2: days time. Several big announcements are rumored to be on

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Speaker 2: the way, and our textbot, Paul Stenhouse, is all over

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Speaker 2: and of course, so Paul, what can we expect?

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Speaker 19: Yes, I think the big one Jack, is that everything's

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Speaker 19: going to look a bit different and for the first time,

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Speaker 19: probably the most unified kind of look across all of

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Speaker 19: the platforms, from your Mac to your iPhone, to your iPad,

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Speaker 19: to your watch and even Apple car plays.

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Speaker 3: Apparently it's all going.

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Speaker 19: To be getting the same sort of design scheme that

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01:03:03,813 --> 01:03:06,853
Speaker 19: Vision os has and you're going, what is you notice

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01:03:07,013 --> 01:03:09,613
Speaker 19: that's the thing the software that runs on the Vision Pro,

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01:03:10,413 --> 01:03:15,693
Speaker 19: which is the headset the next generation computer. Isn't it

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01:03:15,773 --> 01:03:17,413
Speaker 19: funny you just took the words out of my mouth

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01:03:17,413 --> 01:03:18,933
Speaker 19: They said, we're going to make everything look like the

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01:03:19,013 --> 01:03:22,173
Speaker 19: thing that no one uses. But it's all apparently going

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01:03:22,213 --> 01:03:26,613
Speaker 19: to be based around digital glass, So I'm expecting some blurs,

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01:03:26,813 --> 01:03:27,933
Speaker 19: some reflections.

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Speaker 2: So what is digital glass? What does that mean that?

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Speaker 19: I think it's gonna look like there'll be different panes

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01:03:36,133 --> 01:03:38,293
Speaker 19: of glass and all the aesthetic will be how you know,

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01:03:38,693 --> 01:03:42,133
Speaker 19: different pains overlap with each other. Is kind of what

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01:03:42,293 --> 01:03:46,253
Speaker 19: I'm expecting. But that's all hopefully announced Monday. But of

1304
01:03:46,293 --> 01:03:47,733
Speaker 19: course this is all to come right, This is all

1305
01:03:47,813 --> 01:03:50,613
Speaker 19: going to be announced and then we'll be rolled out

1306
01:03:50,693 --> 01:03:53,733
Speaker 19: in the next few months. But some app redesigns coming

1307
01:03:53,813 --> 01:03:57,653
Speaker 19: to your phone as well the actual phone app, because

1308
01:03:57,693 --> 01:04:00,053
Speaker 19: your iPhone is actually your phone. Remember the phone app,

1309
01:04:00,413 --> 01:04:02,733
Speaker 19: the messages app, and the camera app. Some of the

1310
01:04:02,853 --> 01:04:05,533
Speaker 19: core apps of your iPhone will get a new look.

1311
01:04:05,853 --> 01:04:07,733
Speaker 15: Is the room the phone will get.

1312
01:04:07,693 --> 01:04:10,253
Speaker 19: Sort of what sounds like a timeline type view with

1313
01:04:10,773 --> 01:04:14,013
Speaker 19: your favorite contacts, your recent calls, and your voicemails all

1314
01:04:14,053 --> 01:04:16,333
Speaker 19: in one kind of scrollable thing, so you don't have

1315
01:04:16,453 --> 01:04:20,893
Speaker 19: to run between those. A more simplified camera because there's

1316
01:04:20,893 --> 01:04:22,933
Speaker 19: so many things going on in the camera, yeah, so

1317
01:04:23,053 --> 01:04:24,773
Speaker 19: many features. It's got a bit cluttered, So I think

1318
01:04:24,773 --> 01:04:27,533
Speaker 19: they're going to kind of simplify and rework some of that.

1319
01:04:28,493 --> 01:04:31,693
Speaker 19: And Messages will get my message that is will get

1320
01:04:31,773 --> 01:04:34,893
Speaker 19: a customizable background, sort of like WhatsApp, the kind of

1321
01:04:35,133 --> 01:04:37,533
Speaker 19: going keep the hit now with WhatsApp. And you'll also

1322
01:04:37,533 --> 01:04:40,693
Speaker 19: apparently have the ability to create poles Safari. You'll get

1323
01:04:40,733 --> 01:04:45,253
Speaker 19: that new glassy look too. So lots of change coming

1324
01:04:45,373 --> 01:04:46,933
Speaker 19: in the next version we're expecting.

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01:04:47,053 --> 01:04:49,893
Speaker 2: I mean they presumably they test all of the stuff

1326
01:04:49,973 --> 01:04:52,133
Speaker 2: heaps before they roll it out, right, so there's nothing

1327
01:04:52,173 --> 01:04:54,013
Speaker 2: that is going to be too alarming or too confusing

1328
01:04:54,093 --> 01:04:56,933
Speaker 2: for people. I'm sure my mum will still have questions. Wow,

1329
01:04:59,973 --> 01:05:03,333
Speaker 2: your words not mine, Paul, your word's not mine. But yeah,

1330
01:05:03,373 --> 01:05:05,413
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, I mean some of those some of

1331
01:05:05,413 --> 01:05:06,813
Speaker 2: those things seem to kind of, you know, make a

1332
01:05:06,853 --> 01:05:08,373
Speaker 2: lot of scenes. It'll be interesting to see whether or

1333
01:05:08,413 --> 01:05:11,093
Speaker 2: not this is going to drive people towards that vision.

1334
01:05:11,373 --> 01:05:14,813
Speaker 2: Os like they're kind of pushing ahead with that product still, right.

1335
01:05:15,213 --> 01:05:15,853
Speaker 3: Oh yeah they are.

1336
01:05:16,213 --> 01:05:18,413
Speaker 19: Here's the bit that caught my eye though, Jack, is

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01:05:18,493 --> 01:05:20,173
Speaker 19: I actually think and you've talked about you and I've

1338
01:05:20,173 --> 01:05:23,173
Speaker 19: talked about this before, is you know, the one operating

1339
01:05:23,253 --> 01:05:26,453
Speaker 19: system to rule them all, you know, And I think

1340
01:05:26,533 --> 01:05:29,013
Speaker 19: that So one of the other rumors is that multitasking

1341
01:05:29,093 --> 01:05:31,893
Speaker 19: on the iPad is actually going to get reworked, and

1342
01:05:32,013 --> 01:05:34,093
Speaker 19: it sounds like it's going to become a lot more

1343
01:05:34,213 --> 01:05:37,733
Speaker 19: desktop like so and it may even only be unlocked

1344
01:05:37,733 --> 01:05:39,933
Speaker 19: when you actually attach a keyboard and a mouse or

1345
01:05:40,053 --> 01:05:41,893
Speaker 19: use your magic keyboard.

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01:05:41,493 --> 01:05:42,653
Speaker 2: That you can buy it from Apple.

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01:05:43,053 --> 01:05:45,533
Speaker 19: So I wonder if we're getting one step closer. I know,

1348
01:05:45,613 --> 01:05:48,653
Speaker 19: we're like inching inching, Yeah, you know, but it feels

1349
01:05:48,693 --> 01:05:51,533
Speaker 19: like you if you can go on your iPad and

1350
01:05:51,653 --> 01:05:53,173
Speaker 19: you can plug in your keyboard in your mouse or

1351
01:05:53,213 --> 01:05:56,293
Speaker 19: connect it with Bluetooth, and you can move a pointer

1352
01:05:56,573 --> 01:06:00,293
Speaker 19: and drag windows around it and it feels like a desktop. Yeah,

1353
01:06:00,453 --> 01:06:02,613
Speaker 19: it probably doesn't matter what's happening behind the scenes. I

1354
01:06:02,693 --> 01:06:05,613
Speaker 19: think that means that people may start using the iPad

1355
01:06:05,933 --> 01:06:07,453
Speaker 19: a little like a tskop.

1356
01:06:07,573 --> 01:06:09,453
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Okay, so I've just talked about the Vision

1357
01:06:09,493 --> 01:06:12,813
Speaker 2: Pro to see what it costs starts three and a

1358
01:06:12,853 --> 01:06:16,813
Speaker 2: half grand. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's not this isn't

1359
01:06:16,853 --> 01:06:18,973
Speaker 2: design it. This isn't named at me, is it. I mean, no,

1360
01:06:19,173 --> 01:06:19,453
Speaker 2: it's not.

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01:06:20,093 --> 01:06:22,533
Speaker 19: You know, I remember, you know Andy and Anderson on

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01:06:22,973 --> 01:06:26,053
Speaker 19: New Year's Yeah, yeah, yeah, Anderson Cooper made some really

1363
01:06:26,173 --> 01:06:28,413
Speaker 19: like flippant remark. He's say, yeah, I watched done too

1364
01:06:28,613 --> 01:06:31,613
Speaker 19: on my Apple Vision Pro, and Andy Cohen just looked

1365
01:06:31,613 --> 01:06:32,093
Speaker 19: at him.

1366
01:06:32,053 --> 01:06:36,173
Speaker 2: Like who are you and why yeah, which I think

1367
01:06:36,293 --> 01:06:37,293
Speaker 2: is my kind of take.

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01:06:37,413 --> 01:06:38,813
Speaker 15: I'm like, who's doing this?

1369
01:06:39,133 --> 01:06:39,333
Speaker 19: Yeah?

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01:06:39,493 --> 01:06:42,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think yeah, we're not the only one there, thanks, Paul.

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Speaker 2: Look forward to that so that, I think the big

1372
01:06:44,853 --> 01:06:47,053
Speaker 2: developers conferences in a couple of days time, all that

1373
01:06:47,173 --> 01:06:49,173
Speaker 2: detail is going to be confirmed. And I suppose we'll

1374
01:06:49,213 --> 01:06:51,413
Speaker 2: wait a few more days after that until those of

1375
01:06:51,493 --> 01:06:53,493
Speaker 2: us who use iPhones and Apple products will have to

1376
01:06:53,573 --> 01:06:56,693
Speaker 2: download new software and see how it all looks. Right now,

1377
01:06:56,773 --> 01:06:59,133
Speaker 2: it is nineteen minutes to eleven on News Talks here,

1378
01:06:59,173 --> 01:07:01,133
Speaker 2: but we're going to be in the garden before eleven o'clock.

1379
01:07:01,613 --> 01:07:04,573
Speaker 2: Rude time past Our man in the garden is chipping

1380
01:07:05,133 --> 01:07:07,093
Speaker 2: or chippering. He's he's got one of that. He's got

1381
01:07:07,133 --> 01:07:08,973
Speaker 2: like a wood chipper, right, so he's making his own

1382
01:07:09,013 --> 01:07:10,493
Speaker 2: maltch to put over the garden. He's got a few

1383
01:07:10,493 --> 01:07:11,573
Speaker 2: tips if you're doing the same thing.

1384
01:07:12,533 --> 01:07:15,173
Speaker 3: No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

1385
01:07:15,373 --> 01:07:18,413
Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jack, Tam and vpew it on code

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01:07:18,453 --> 01:07:21,453
Speaker 1: on enz for high Quality Supplements used talk ZMB.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's obviously when you think about it, really, one

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01:07:23,413 --> 01:07:25,573
Speaker 2: of the big problems with vaping is that we don't

1389
01:07:25,693 --> 01:07:29,653
Speaker 2: understand the long term effects because vaping is so new relatively.

1390
01:07:29,733 --> 01:07:31,893
Speaker 2: But there is some new research out of Oxford University

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01:07:32,013 --> 01:07:34,333
Speaker 2: that is shining a bit of light on the effects

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01:07:34,333 --> 01:07:36,213
Speaker 2: of vaping. Doctor Brian Betty is here to talk us

1393
01:07:36,213 --> 01:07:36,813
Speaker 2: through it this morning.

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01:07:36,893 --> 01:07:38,893
Speaker 3: Cal to Brian, Oh cure, Jack.

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01:07:39,013 --> 01:07:40,853
Speaker 2: Nice to be here, Yeah, nice to be chatting with you.

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Speaker 2: So what's the big problem with vaping?

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01:07:44,213 --> 01:07:46,893
Speaker 8: Look, yeah, so we need to talk about vaping again.

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01:07:46,973 --> 01:07:49,253
Speaker 8: I know we've talked about it before, but you know,

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01:07:49,373 --> 01:07:52,253
Speaker 8: we know that vaping was introduced as a quick quit

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01:07:52,573 --> 01:07:56,853
Speaker 8: smoking tool. Now it's accepted that it's less harmful than smoking,

1401
01:07:56,973 --> 01:07:59,773
Speaker 8: so we know that's the case, and it is very

1402
01:08:00,013 --> 01:08:02,853
Speaker 8: very useful as a quit smoking tool that is substituting

1403
01:08:02,893 --> 01:08:06,213
Speaker 8: for cigarettes when you want to give up. However, we've

1404
01:08:06,213 --> 01:08:09,333
Speaker 8: got this growing problem in New Zealand with young people

1405
01:08:09,453 --> 01:08:12,693
Speaker 8: type taking up vaping but otherwise not smoke and this

1406
01:08:12,853 --> 01:08:14,773
Speaker 8: is a critical issue, so they wouldn't be doing this,

1407
01:08:15,053 --> 01:08:16,933
Speaker 8: but they're now vaping. So look, if you look at

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01:08:16,933 --> 01:08:20,693
Speaker 8: the surveys, eighteen to twenty four year olds, about a

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01:08:20,853 --> 01:08:24,133
Speaker 8: quarter of them are vaping daily, and in fact, fourteen

1410
01:08:24,173 --> 01:08:27,813
Speaker 8: to eighteen year olds about ten percent of vaping daily. Now,

1411
01:08:27,933 --> 01:08:31,773
Speaker 8: the problem with this, up until this point, we don't

1412
01:08:31,893 --> 01:08:35,293
Speaker 8: know what the long term effects of vaping potentially are

1413
01:08:36,053 --> 01:08:37,693
Speaker 8: and that is a problem.

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01:08:37,933 --> 01:08:41,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it is obviously addictive, and I mean

1415
01:08:41,893 --> 01:08:43,813
Speaker 2: I think we probably all know people, but I mean

1416
01:08:43,933 --> 01:08:45,533
Speaker 2: I've got a lot of people my age, a lot

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01:08:45,573 --> 01:08:48,053
Speaker 2: of friends and stuff who've just started vaping a little

1418
01:08:48,093 --> 01:08:50,613
Speaker 2: bit and then have found themselves properly addicted.

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01:08:51,173 --> 01:08:54,133
Speaker 8: Oh look, look this has really emerged as an issue.

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Speaker 8: And look, most of the apes have nicoteen in them,

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01:08:58,053 --> 01:09:01,173
Speaker 8: and nicoteen is one of the most addictive substances we know.

1422
01:09:01,493 --> 01:09:04,693
Speaker 8: So yeah, we've got this problem where people are vaping

1423
01:09:04,693 --> 01:09:06,773
Speaker 8: and suddenly find they can't get off it. They want

1424
01:09:06,853 --> 01:09:09,573
Speaker 8: to stop it, but they can't. It's really really powerful,

1425
01:09:10,733 --> 01:09:13,733
Speaker 8: and this is this growing issue that we've got.

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01:09:14,133 --> 01:09:14,733
Speaker 3: Now we know that.

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Speaker 8: Nicotine does cause addiction, but nicteen has some harms, so

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01:09:19,013 --> 01:09:23,053
Speaker 8: in particular there's concerns over brain development and adolescents it

1429
01:09:23,133 --> 01:09:27,453
Speaker 8: can affect that maybe increased anxiety, raised blood pressure, and

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01:09:27,813 --> 01:09:31,373
Speaker 8: increases the heart rate. Now the vapes themselves, if you

1431
01:09:31,493 --> 01:09:33,693
Speaker 8: think about it, if you're on a daily basis putting

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01:09:33,733 --> 01:09:39,053
Speaker 8: moist air with chemicals into your lungs, that intuitively has

1433
01:09:39,093 --> 01:09:41,493
Speaker 8: an effect. So we do know it can cause cough

1434
01:09:41,653 --> 01:09:45,133
Speaker 8: and there actually have been some concerns over increased collapsed

1435
01:09:45,213 --> 01:09:48,253
Speaker 8: lungs from vaping, so that young adolescents said that their

1436
01:09:48,333 --> 01:09:50,413
Speaker 8: lungs can collapse. So there has been some stuff around

1437
01:09:50,453 --> 01:09:53,293
Speaker 8: about this, but no long term evidence is to the

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01:09:53,373 --> 01:09:54,613
Speaker 8: harm it up until this point.

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01:09:54,773 --> 01:09:56,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so we've got this new study from Oxford

1440
01:09:56,973 --> 01:09:58,813
Speaker 2: University shedding a bit more light on vaping.

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01:09:59,453 --> 01:10:01,413
Speaker 8: Yeah, so look, this is the first one and this

1442
01:10:01,573 --> 01:10:04,053
Speaker 8: is really really important, and it's out of Oxford, so

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01:10:04,493 --> 01:10:08,773
Speaker 8: it's very reputable, and it's first time that's identified long

1444
01:10:08,933 --> 01:10:12,373
Speaker 8: term harm from vaping alone. So look at followed up

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01:10:12,413 --> 01:10:15,413
Speaker 8: two hundred and fifty thousand patients who've eated or people

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01:10:15,453 --> 01:10:18,773
Speaker 8: who've eated, and it followed them up over four years

1447
01:10:18,773 --> 01:10:20,533
Speaker 8: and said, well what happens if you vape over that

1448
01:10:20,653 --> 01:10:23,613
Speaker 8: period of time. And look, the major finding was this

1449
01:10:23,813 --> 01:10:27,573
Speaker 8: that you were two point twenty nine times more likely

1450
01:10:28,213 --> 01:10:31,453
Speaker 8: to start to develop chronic obstructive airways disease. Now, this

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01:10:31,653 --> 01:10:36,893
Speaker 8: is what we call enfrasema, colloquially called enhasema. So this

1452
01:10:37,053 --> 01:10:39,453
Speaker 8: is really really serious. So this is where the lungs

1453
01:10:39,493 --> 01:10:42,293
Speaker 8: start to what we call fibros, They start to stiffen.

1454
01:10:42,853 --> 01:10:45,853
Speaker 8: There's lots of mucus produced to get recurrent infections and

1455
01:10:46,533 --> 01:10:49,653
Speaker 8: over time reduced ability to get oxygen into the bloodstream

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01:10:50,253 --> 01:10:52,893
Speaker 8: and it causes permanent damage to the lungs. So two

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01:10:52,973 --> 01:10:56,493
Speaker 8: point twenty nine times more likely to develop that. Now,

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01:10:56,533 --> 01:10:58,413
Speaker 8: the other thing, in thirty to seventy year olds, you

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01:10:58,453 --> 01:11:01,333
Speaker 8: were one point thirty nine times more likely to develop

1460
01:11:01,413 --> 01:11:04,453
Speaker 8: high blood pressure. So again this is a critical issue

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01:11:05,013 --> 01:11:08,573
Speaker 8: and it was the first time that long term harm

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01:11:09,693 --> 01:11:12,853
Speaker 8: outside of the short term effects had really been identified.

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01:11:12,893 --> 01:11:15,093
Speaker 8: So this is very very significant.

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01:11:15,293 --> 01:11:16,693
Speaker 2: So what are the implications.

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01:11:17,813 --> 01:11:20,333
Speaker 8: Well, look, I think the main thing here is it's

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01:11:20,813 --> 01:11:25,213
Speaker 8: really really an issue for the younger cohort of people

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01:11:25,613 --> 01:11:29,653
Speaker 8: or patients who are taking up vaping, especially in that

1468
01:11:29,773 --> 01:11:32,173
Speaker 8: that adolescent age group, and are getting addicted to it

1469
01:11:32,213 --> 01:11:34,933
Speaker 8: and can't get off it because this emerging issue is

1470
01:11:34,933 --> 01:11:38,853
Speaker 8: saying well, look there's potentially long term harm here. It's

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01:11:39,173 --> 01:11:43,373
Speaker 8: not a benign thing. So absolutely for smoking cessation, no

1472
01:11:43,453 --> 01:11:46,333
Speaker 8: problem with that, but you know the fact that you

1473
01:11:46,373 --> 01:11:49,853
Speaker 8: wouldn't have otherwise smoked that there's an emerging issue. So

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01:11:50,053 --> 01:11:52,373
Speaker 8: I think we still need to think very hard about

1475
01:11:52,493 --> 01:11:54,733
Speaker 8: vaping and the access to vaping. We know it's been

1476
01:11:55,053 --> 01:11:58,493
Speaker 8: you know, shops can't sell it under eighteen's but there's

1477
01:11:58,493 --> 01:12:01,373
Speaker 8: now thousands of apes shops around New Zealand and it's

1478
01:12:01,413 --> 01:12:04,453
Speaker 8: really interesting. I mean Australia have made vaping just recently

1479
01:12:04,533 --> 01:12:07,933
Speaker 8: or last year, they've made it script only. You have

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01:12:08,013 --> 01:12:09,853
Speaker 8: to get a script off your doctor to get a vape.

1481
01:12:10,453 --> 01:12:13,653
Speaker 8: I personally think we should be moving into a space

1482
01:12:13,813 --> 01:12:16,693
Speaker 8: where vaping is available in pharmacies only, so you can

1483
01:12:16,733 --> 01:12:18,813
Speaker 8: buy it across the counter and pharmacy and you can

1484
01:12:18,813 --> 01:12:21,493
Speaker 8: get some education about vapes at that point and take

1485
01:12:21,573 --> 01:12:24,693
Speaker 8: that middle sort of approach. I do seriously think we

1486
01:12:24,773 --> 01:12:27,253
Speaker 8: need to do something or think harder about the whole

1487
01:12:27,333 --> 01:12:28,133
Speaker 8: vaping situation.

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01:12:28,653 --> 01:12:31,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a tricky one, isn't it, Because in

1489
01:12:31,493 --> 01:12:34,093
Speaker 2: a way, the horse has kind of bolted, and that

1490
01:12:34,173 --> 01:12:36,573
Speaker 2: you have all of these people who are now addicted

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01:12:36,613 --> 01:12:39,213
Speaker 2: to vaping who might not otherwise have been smoking or

1492
01:12:39,333 --> 01:12:42,533
Speaker 2: vaping at all, you know, and then you know, if

1493
01:12:42,573 --> 01:12:46,173
Speaker 2: you're making life more difficult for them to get vapes,

1494
01:12:46,293 --> 01:12:48,133
Speaker 2: then that could have its own issues.

1495
01:12:48,173 --> 01:12:51,213
Speaker 3: But I mean, it's it's a complete two end sword.

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Speaker 8: And look, I agree with your comment. I think in

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01:12:53,253 --> 01:12:55,693
Speaker 8: many ways a horse has bolted bolted in New Zealand

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01:12:55,733 --> 01:13:00,093
Speaker 8: and it's under unintended consequence of something that was thought

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01:13:00,133 --> 01:13:01,333
Speaker 8: to be positive at the start.

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01:13:01,533 --> 01:13:04,213
Speaker 2: So I mean, is it is definitely better than smoking?

1501
01:13:04,333 --> 01:13:08,573
Speaker 8: Right? No, no, no doubt about one. And there's a

1502
01:13:08,653 --> 01:13:11,813
Speaker 8: quick smoking tool, which is what it was was promoted for.

1503
01:13:12,733 --> 01:13:14,573
Speaker 8: I don't have any problems with that, and I recommend

1504
01:13:14,653 --> 01:13:17,253
Speaker 8: my patient switched to vaping, you know, the drop of

1505
01:13:17,293 --> 01:13:21,133
Speaker 8: the hat. But it's not harmless, it's not benign, and

1506
01:13:21,253 --> 01:13:24,773
Speaker 8: that's the critical thing. And the fact these younger kids

1507
01:13:24,813 --> 01:13:28,333
Speaker 8: are taking it, taking it up is the issue because

1508
01:13:28,333 --> 01:13:29,573
Speaker 8: they otherwise wouldn't have smoked.

1509
01:13:29,853 --> 01:13:31,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, thanks so much, Brian, I appreciate it.

1510
01:13:32,213 --> 01:13:32,693
Speaker 8: Good as god.

1511
01:13:33,013 --> 01:13:34,493
Speaker 2: Ten to eleven, No news talks. He'd be.

1512
01:13:35,973 --> 01:13:39,653
Speaker 1: Gardening with steel shaft free Autumn upgrades on Still's best sellers.

1513
01:13:40,133 --> 01:13:42,293
Speaker 2: Rude time past is our man in the garden?

1514
01:13:42,373 --> 01:13:46,173
Speaker 15: Hey, rude, Hello Jack, I'm not in the garden, no,

1515
01:13:46,293 --> 01:13:47,853
Speaker 15: because it's too frigg and cold.

1516
01:13:48,093 --> 01:13:50,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is your place, totally, Like is it frozen? Oither?

1517
01:13:50,973 --> 01:13:51,653
Speaker 2: How things looking?

1518
01:13:52,013 --> 01:13:53,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, no it's not.

1519
01:13:53,373 --> 01:13:56,013
Speaker 15: Actually we're on the board in it. Honestly, we rarely

1520
01:13:56,133 --> 01:13:56,693
Speaker 15: get frost.

1521
01:13:56,773 --> 01:14:01,853
Speaker 3: But you're not quite loving No, well not quite, that's right.

1522
01:14:01,893 --> 01:14:03,853
Speaker 15: But all the gold air have got to go down

1523
01:14:04,093 --> 01:14:06,733
Speaker 15: the hill and we ended up we end up with

1524
01:14:06,853 --> 01:14:09,253
Speaker 15: something like zero degrees or maybe one degree. It's okay,

1525
01:14:10,413 --> 01:14:14,173
Speaker 15: it's yeah, dropical all right. Oh my gosh, hey have

1526
01:14:14,293 --> 01:14:17,893
Speaker 15: you do you have to ever make pathways in your garden?

1527
01:14:18,253 --> 01:14:21,853
Speaker 15: Pathway between the vegetables. Yeah, in the between the vegetables.

1528
01:14:21,973 --> 01:14:24,693
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know that I do. I mean,

1529
01:14:24,733 --> 01:14:26,933
Speaker 2: I sort of had my planter boxes, so I keep

1530
01:14:26,973 --> 01:14:29,533
Speaker 2: most of my planting the things to eat in the air,

1531
01:14:29,573 --> 01:14:30,973
Speaker 2: and then I have a bit of grass for playing

1532
01:14:30,973 --> 01:14:32,533
Speaker 2: football on, and then I have the sort of trees

1533
01:14:32,533 --> 01:14:33,333
Speaker 2: around the outside, you know.

1534
01:14:35,533 --> 01:14:38,973
Speaker 15: So yeah, exactly, though that sounds like it. No, what

1535
01:14:39,133 --> 01:14:41,653
Speaker 15: I mean is that quite often in my vegetable garden,

1536
01:14:41,773 --> 01:14:44,733
Speaker 15: I have, you know, literally little pathways so I can

1537
01:14:44,773 --> 01:14:47,773
Speaker 15: get into my vegetable garden. And I make those quite

1538
01:14:47,853 --> 01:14:53,133
Speaker 15: often from chippert wood. Yes, yeah, and that's it's something

1539
01:14:53,213 --> 01:14:56,493
Speaker 15: that I thoroughly enjoy that to turn that thing on,

1540
01:14:56,613 --> 01:15:00,533
Speaker 15: you know, it goes on petrol. And then you can

1541
01:15:00,653 --> 01:15:05,293
Speaker 15: you can take if you're like, bits of tree drunks

1542
01:15:05,413 --> 01:15:08,013
Speaker 15: or no, not trunks, but but branches up to about

1543
01:15:08,093 --> 01:15:11,493
Speaker 15: two inches in diameter easier, and you put you make

1544
01:15:11,573 --> 01:15:17,373
Speaker 15: them into into chipped wood basically, and that you can

1545
01:15:17,573 --> 01:15:20,813
Speaker 15: use to make pathways. And the cool thing with that is,

1546
01:15:20,853 --> 01:15:24,413
Speaker 15: of course it also stops weeds coming up, which is

1547
01:15:24,573 --> 01:15:27,573
Speaker 15: very important, so your germination is not happening.

1548
01:15:27,653 --> 01:15:28,413
Speaker 3: But they're great.

1549
01:15:28,493 --> 01:15:30,413
Speaker 15: So I've got a little hands or quite a big

1550
01:15:30,493 --> 01:15:33,013
Speaker 15: answer stepper, which I've got some steel shop a long

1551
01:15:33,093 --> 01:15:33,413
Speaker 15: time though.

1552
01:15:33,453 --> 01:15:33,933
Speaker 4: I love it.

1553
01:15:34,653 --> 01:15:38,653
Speaker 15: But I just realized you can't just use these chips

1554
01:15:38,733 --> 01:15:38,973
Speaker 15: on the.

1555
01:15:39,173 --> 01:15:44,173
Speaker 7: On the floor of your of your garden, because if

1556
01:15:44,253 --> 01:15:48,453
Speaker 7: you have things that you grow there, you'll find that

1557
01:15:49,133 --> 01:15:53,133
Speaker 7: the chips themselves need quite a lot of stuff like

1558
01:15:53,333 --> 01:15:57,293
Speaker 7: nitrogen to actually make it decay properly.

1559
01:15:57,653 --> 01:16:00,613
Speaker 15: Right And if you yeah, and this is very important.

1560
01:16:00,653 --> 01:16:01,733
Speaker 7: So if you've got a layer of.

1561
01:16:01,813 --> 01:16:04,893
Speaker 15: Chips in your garden, if you like as a mulch,

1562
01:16:05,653 --> 01:16:09,973
Speaker 15: always put some of the nitrogen. Do you reform if

1563
01:16:10,013 --> 01:16:13,253
Speaker 15: you like in it? Because if you don't, those chips

1564
01:16:13,373 --> 01:16:16,573
Speaker 15: ex you will literally take the nitrogen out of the

1565
01:16:16,733 --> 01:16:19,173
Speaker 15: soil to make it decay itself.

1566
01:16:19,413 --> 01:16:21,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that goes at the cost.

1567
01:16:21,293 --> 01:16:21,973
Speaker 15: Of your plants.

1568
01:16:22,493 --> 01:16:25,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right, Okay, it's.

1569
01:16:25,333 --> 01:16:28,173
Speaker 15: A bit that's just a bit of chemistry science, I suppose.

1570
01:16:29,653 --> 01:16:31,853
Speaker 15: So if you if you get those chips and they

1571
01:16:31,933 --> 01:16:35,453
Speaker 15: are absolutely wonderful for covering stuff, always chuck some a

1572
01:16:35,533 --> 01:16:38,173
Speaker 15: little bit of urea. You don't have to be scientific

1573
01:16:38,213 --> 01:16:41,333
Speaker 15: about it. Handful to the square square media, I love that.

1574
01:16:41,773 --> 01:16:43,053
Speaker 15: Handful to the square media.

1575
01:16:43,093 --> 01:16:45,093
Speaker 3: Who cares. But you'll find that you will.

1576
01:16:45,173 --> 01:16:47,813
Speaker 15: Actually, yeah, you get a lot better system that way.

1577
01:16:48,173 --> 01:16:49,573
Speaker 3: Fantastic, It's really important.

1578
01:16:49,653 --> 01:16:52,813
Speaker 2: So I don't know if I've told you I've got

1579
01:16:53,493 --> 01:16:57,253
Speaker 2: I've got my backyard. I we don't have a fence

1580
01:16:57,373 --> 01:16:58,933
Speaker 2: with the Nixte neighbor, so it's kind of like how

1581
01:16:58,933 --> 01:17:00,453
Speaker 2: life used to be. We've got kind of got trees

1582
01:17:00,493 --> 01:17:03,093
Speaker 2: down the kind of boundary. But our neighbors are wonderful

1583
01:17:03,133 --> 01:17:06,293
Speaker 2: and it's very relaxed and so and so. Anyway, Lloyd

1584
01:17:06,533 --> 01:17:09,973
Speaker 2: next door has a chipper, and so I have in

1585
01:17:10,053 --> 01:17:11,693
Speaker 2: the past been known to pop over and help them

1586
01:17:11,733 --> 01:17:13,893
Speaker 2: with a little bit of autumnal chipping so that he

1587
01:17:13,933 --> 01:17:16,533
Speaker 2: could spread the mulch around his place and around the

1588
01:17:17,333 --> 01:17:19,853
Speaker 2: communal lemon trees and fijio trees and plumb trees and

1589
01:17:19,893 --> 01:17:20,813
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. So there you go.

1590
01:17:22,053 --> 01:17:24,133
Speaker 15: I totally agree with you, because these things are not

1591
01:17:24,333 --> 01:17:26,413
Speaker 15: terribly cheap, but if you do it together as a

1592
01:17:26,493 --> 01:17:30,813
Speaker 15: team of neighbors, you are much better off. And and

1593
01:17:30,933 --> 01:17:32,933
Speaker 15: the other thing you can do with the chips is actually,

1594
01:17:32,973 --> 01:17:35,293
Speaker 15: if you've got a compost, being the famous compost, big

1595
01:17:35,333 --> 01:17:37,333
Speaker 15: with a lot of fruit and stuff like that that

1596
01:17:37,933 --> 01:17:40,933
Speaker 15: needs carbon, that's where the chipper comes in to put

1597
01:17:41,013 --> 01:17:44,213
Speaker 15: the chips into the compost bin for the same balance.

1598
01:17:44,373 --> 01:17:47,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially if it's all like grass cuppings or similar.

1599
01:17:48,973 --> 01:17:49,173
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1600
01:17:49,293 --> 01:17:53,453
Speaker 2: Nice, I've got I hope things aren't. Yeah, I hope

1601
01:17:53,453 --> 01:17:55,413
Speaker 2: things warm up a little bit at some point. I

1602
01:17:55,453 --> 01:17:58,453
Speaker 2: don't know. It's nice to experience seasons, doesn't it. Don't

1603
01:17:58,453 --> 01:17:59,093
Speaker 2: you think it's just.

1604
01:17:59,173 --> 01:18:01,693
Speaker 14: Nice, very.

1605
01:18:03,253 --> 01:18:05,173
Speaker 15: And just buying up the board hills.

1606
01:18:06,733 --> 01:18:09,173
Speaker 2: Road climb. Maass not in the garden for us this morning,

1607
01:18:09,493 --> 01:18:11,973
Speaker 2: or in the garden in spirit for us this morning.

1608
01:18:12,733 --> 01:18:16,133
Speaker 2: After eleven o'clock on Newstalks 'db our travel correspondent is

1609
01:18:16,213 --> 01:18:18,813
Speaker 2: taking us to an amazing part of the world, Ecuador,

1610
01:18:19,373 --> 01:18:22,373
Speaker 2: and he's going to take us through Ecuador's cloud forest.

1611
01:18:22,413 --> 01:18:24,133
Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to that. News is next though

1612
01:18:24,213 --> 01:18:26,773
Speaker 2: it's almost eleven o'clock. I'm Jack Tame. It's Saturday morning

1613
01:18:26,853 --> 01:18:28,613
Speaker 2: and this is Newstalks.

1614
01:18:28,173 --> 01:18:33,773
Speaker 1: dB Saturday Mornings with Jack Day keeping the conversation going

1615
01:18:33,893 --> 01:18:36,853
Speaker 1: through the weekend with bpure dot cot on ins here

1616
01:18:36,973 --> 01:18:39,493
Speaker 1: for high quality supplements Newstalks EDB.

1617
01:19:02,173 --> 01:19:04,773
Speaker 2: Mord In A good morning. If you're just sitting us

1618
01:19:04,813 --> 01:19:06,813
Speaker 2: on this morning, it is so good to you weather

1619
01:19:06,893 --> 01:19:10,933
Speaker 2: us on this very very cold day, Jack tayming with

1620
01:19:10,973 --> 01:19:12,813
Speaker 2: you through the mid day today. So I have read

1621
01:19:12,893 --> 01:19:14,973
Speaker 2: most of it The Cinder A Durn Book. Most of

1622
01:19:15,053 --> 01:19:17,933
Speaker 2: it I only got a day or two before it

1623
01:19:18,093 --> 01:19:21,893
Speaker 2: was published around the world, and I got plenty of

1624
01:19:21,973 --> 01:19:24,173
Speaker 2: thoughts on it. I mean, my number one kind of

1625
01:19:24,253 --> 01:19:27,173
Speaker 2: takeaway is that the book is not for us. It's

1626
01:19:27,253 --> 01:19:30,293
Speaker 2: not for it's not for New Zealand. It's for the world, right,

1627
01:19:30,413 --> 01:19:34,093
Speaker 2: It's it's for Desindra A. Durn's fans and people who

1628
01:19:34,093 --> 01:19:38,613
Speaker 2: are interested in her leadership outside of New Zealand. And look,

1629
01:19:38,813 --> 01:19:41,093
Speaker 2: you know, I found a few things relatively interesting in

1630
01:19:41,173 --> 01:19:44,373
Speaker 2: the book. I actually found. I thought the stuff about

1631
01:19:44,373 --> 01:19:47,053
Speaker 2: her early life was really interesting. I didn't know a

1632
01:19:47,053 --> 01:19:49,253
Speaker 2: lot of the details, especially the kind of conversations around

1633
01:19:49,293 --> 01:19:52,613
Speaker 2: her religion or you know, her experience growing up as

1634
01:19:52,653 --> 01:19:55,053
Speaker 2: a Mormon. I thought that was quite interesting and not

1635
01:19:55,213 --> 01:19:58,373
Speaker 2: something that would necessarily talked a lot about, or she'd

1636
01:19:58,373 --> 01:20:00,573
Speaker 2: talked a lot about during her political career. So I

1637
01:20:00,613 --> 01:20:06,533
Speaker 2: thought that was interesting. Honestly, Like from my perspective, and

1638
01:20:06,653 --> 01:20:08,973
Speaker 2: maybe this is kind of a reflection of my of

1639
01:20:09,093 --> 01:20:12,693
Speaker 2: my of my job, I just am a bit kind

1640
01:20:12,733 --> 01:20:15,173
Speaker 2: of frustrated at the lack of introspection. I would just

1641
01:20:15,253 --> 01:20:19,133
Speaker 2: I would love to hear, you know, just Sindo Dun's

1642
01:20:19,693 --> 01:20:21,893
Speaker 2: kind of thoughts, you know, reliving some of those big

1643
01:20:21,973 --> 01:20:26,333
Speaker 2: COVID decisions and if there are things you would do differently. Yeah,

1644
01:20:26,333 --> 01:20:27,973
Speaker 2: I would love to hear some of that stuff, you know,

1645
01:20:28,253 --> 01:20:30,933
Speaker 2: even even the kind of processes by which decisions are

1646
01:20:30,973 --> 01:20:34,133
Speaker 2: made when you're in a leadership position like that through

1647
01:20:34,293 --> 01:20:36,893
Speaker 2: such a crazy period. I would love to hear more

1648
01:20:36,933 --> 01:20:39,213
Speaker 2: about that kind of thing. And and for me, I

1649
01:20:39,253 --> 01:20:41,213
Speaker 2: think that's what's what's lacking in the book. But like

1650
01:20:41,293 --> 01:20:44,653
Speaker 2: I say, I realized that I'm probably not the target audience.

1651
01:20:44,733 --> 01:20:47,373
Speaker 2: It's people who are watching OPRAH who are the target audience.

1652
01:20:47,453 --> 01:20:50,053
Speaker 2: So fair play in that respect. Right now, it's Linemen,

1653
01:20:50,093 --> 01:20:53,533
Speaker 2: it's past eleven, so before a day on news talks,

1654
01:20:53,573 --> 01:20:57,453
Speaker 2: he'd be our travel Cosspondent is taking us to Ecuador's

1655
01:20:57,853 --> 01:21:00,453
Speaker 2: cloud forests, which just sounds amazing. He's been on this

1656
01:21:00,573 --> 01:21:04,533
Speaker 2: incredible South American adventure, so he's starting things off and

1657
01:21:04,573 --> 01:21:06,093
Speaker 2: equid all for us. This morning's going to tell us

1658
01:21:06,093 --> 01:21:08,093
Speaker 2: a little about that, and I'm going to make sure

1659
01:21:08,093 --> 01:21:09,933
Speaker 2: that I saved some time before midday for us to

1660
01:21:09,973 --> 01:21:12,533
Speaker 2: have a little bit of a listen to Pulp's new album,

1661
01:21:12,653 --> 01:21:15,493
Speaker 2: the first album that Jarvis Cocker and Pulp have released

1662
01:21:16,133 --> 01:21:18,573
Speaker 2: in twenty four years. The last one was in two

1663
01:21:18,613 --> 01:21:21,493
Speaker 2: thousand and one. So we'll make sure we play you

1664
01:21:21,533 --> 01:21:23,173
Speaker 2: a couple of songs from that and get our music

1665
01:21:23,213 --> 01:21:25,773
Speaker 2: reviewers thoughts on it as well. Right now, though, it

1666
01:21:25,893 --> 01:21:28,373
Speaker 2: is time to catch up with Google. Sutherland from Umbrella

1667
01:21:28,453 --> 01:21:29,613
Speaker 2: Well Being called Google.

1668
01:21:30,933 --> 01:21:33,253
Speaker 12: Sure to Jack from a very chilly.

1669
01:21:34,733 --> 01:21:37,173
Speaker 2: Ah, Yes, I think it's very chilly alter at all

1670
01:21:37,293 --> 01:21:39,933
Speaker 2: this morning, very chilly everywhere you know you have? You

1671
01:21:40,053 --> 01:21:42,173
Speaker 2: dared to look at the thermometer at your place? How's that?

1672
01:21:42,453 --> 01:21:44,013
Speaker 17: Oh? I had to pat the dog to the vet

1673
01:21:44,213 --> 01:21:46,213
Speaker 17: about an hour ago and the calf a momenta said

1674
01:21:46,253 --> 01:21:47,613
Speaker 17: it was six degrees outside.

1675
01:21:48,253 --> 01:21:52,053
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's positively tropical compared to some parts of

1676
01:21:52,093 --> 01:21:56,253
Speaker 2: the South Island. So we can't do too much money. True, true, Hey, anyway,

1677
01:21:56,293 --> 01:21:58,733
Speaker 2: you and I are this morning as two men tackling

1678
01:21:58,853 --> 01:22:02,333
Speaker 2: a subject that is getting a little more attention these days. Finally,

1679
01:22:03,373 --> 01:22:05,213
Speaker 2: but you and I are two men talking menopause.

1680
01:22:06,493 --> 01:22:09,893
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's and look, I have a note here in

1681
01:22:10,013 --> 01:22:14,013
Speaker 17: front of me from my lovely wife is don't man

1682
01:22:14,053 --> 01:22:17,973
Speaker 17: explain this, okay, And so I'm under strict instructions not

1683
01:22:18,253 --> 01:22:20,773
Speaker 17: to try and explain menopause.

1684
01:22:20,893 --> 01:22:22,693
Speaker 2: Is that a reason to carry around with you all

1685
01:22:22,693 --> 01:22:24,613
Speaker 2: the time or is that just a note today subject?

1686
01:22:26,173 --> 01:22:28,133
Speaker 17: It's tattooed on the inside of my brain.

1687
01:22:28,293 --> 01:22:29,573
Speaker 11: I will not forget it.

1688
01:22:31,333 --> 01:22:33,333
Speaker 17: I warn you as well, because she will hunt you

1689
01:22:33,413 --> 01:22:35,613
Speaker 17: down and find you if you try to manage.

1690
01:22:35,613 --> 01:22:37,773
Speaker 2: That's warning, perfectly accepted.

1691
01:22:38,893 --> 01:22:41,853
Speaker 17: But look, I wanted to raise it from a workplace

1692
01:22:41,973 --> 01:22:46,253
Speaker 17: perspective because you know, I think there's a lot it's

1693
01:22:46,333 --> 01:22:48,493
Speaker 17: been a big issue and my sort of travels around

1694
01:22:48,533 --> 01:22:51,733
Speaker 17: different workplaces around New Zealand over the last twelve months

1695
01:22:51,853 --> 01:22:55,293
Speaker 17: or so and is coming up increasingly and rightly, so

1696
01:22:55,973 --> 01:22:58,293
Speaker 17: that this is an issue, that this is a health

1697
01:22:58,333 --> 01:23:01,773
Speaker 17: issue that affects a good proportion of our workforce, and

1698
01:23:01,933 --> 01:23:05,973
Speaker 17: actually we need as a society to be better at

1699
01:23:06,053 --> 01:23:10,053
Speaker 17: under standing this significant health issue that affects a lot

1700
01:23:10,133 --> 01:23:13,933
Speaker 17: of people, because it as quite debilitating. I was read

1701
01:23:14,133 --> 01:23:17,533
Speaker 17: if you take away the take away the word menopause

1702
01:23:17,573 --> 01:23:21,333
Speaker 17: and just focused on the symptoms anxiety, low mood, depression,

1703
01:23:21,493 --> 01:23:25,693
Speaker 17: hot flushes, brain fog, nausea, fatigue. Those are pretty severe

1704
01:23:25,893 --> 01:23:28,133
Speaker 17: kind of symptoms. They reminded me actually a bit of

1705
01:23:28,213 --> 01:23:30,253
Speaker 17: COVID symptoms. You know that a lot of those of

1706
01:23:30,333 --> 01:23:33,973
Speaker 17: what covid and we know how debilitating that was. And

1707
01:23:34,093 --> 01:23:35,853
Speaker 17: so I think if you just think about it from

1708
01:23:35,893 --> 01:23:39,853
Speaker 17: that pure health perspective of, hey, a significant proportion of

1709
01:23:39,933 --> 01:23:43,973
Speaker 17: your workforce may be experiencing these these symptoms, then this

1710
01:23:44,213 --> 01:23:46,693
Speaker 17: is something that workplaces should, I think, should really be

1711
01:23:46,813 --> 01:23:49,293
Speaker 17: thinking about how they address these and how they can

1712
01:23:49,413 --> 01:23:53,813
Speaker 17: make some accommodations for people who experienced those symptoms in

1713
01:23:53,853 --> 01:23:54,253
Speaker 17: their work.

1714
01:23:54,453 --> 01:23:57,293
Speaker 2: And there was a report by the New Zealand Institute

1715
01:23:57,373 --> 01:24:00,373
Speaker 2: of Economic Research inded IA a couple of years ago

1716
01:24:00,453 --> 01:24:04,253
Speaker 2: which showed actually, not not only do many women kind

1717
01:24:04,253 --> 01:24:07,813
Speaker 2: of never discuss menopause or pyramidipor was in the workplace,

1718
01:24:08,213 --> 01:24:11,973
Speaker 2: but actually like only one in three managers kind of

1719
01:24:11,973 --> 01:24:14,173
Speaker 2: felt knowledgeable to be able to support people.

1720
01:24:15,293 --> 01:24:17,613
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, one and three, and that reduced to one

1721
01:24:17,693 --> 01:24:19,933
Speaker 17: in five when it was male managers.

1722
01:24:21,333 --> 01:24:24,773
Speaker 12: And look, it's not you know, I'm not in.

1723
01:24:24,853 --> 01:24:27,533
Speaker 17: Any way trying to make a defense for this. It's

1724
01:24:27,573 --> 01:24:29,893
Speaker 17: not surprising though, given that we're how we haven't talked

1725
01:24:29,893 --> 01:24:32,573
Speaker 17: about it, that people don't feel that confident. Yeah, and

1726
01:24:32,693 --> 01:24:35,213
Speaker 17: I know that, you know, in my role is in

1727
01:24:35,413 --> 01:24:38,413
Speaker 17: past of managing people, I would definitely have been managing

1728
01:24:38,493 --> 01:24:43,133
Speaker 17: people who have been experiencing menopause. And that we also

1729
01:24:43,293 --> 01:24:45,773
Speaker 17: know that that same.

1730
01:24:45,013 --> 01:24:49,213
Speaker 22: Report showed that women, some women were cutting back their

1731
01:24:49,253 --> 01:24:52,093
Speaker 22: work hours or even quitting their work simply because they

1732
01:24:52,173 --> 01:24:55,893
Speaker 22: couldn't get those health needs met in their workplace.

1733
01:24:55,973 --> 01:24:58,093
Speaker 17: And that's that's a pretty for me. That was a

1734
01:24:58,173 --> 01:25:01,293
Speaker 17: kind of a really sobering kind of statistic around actually

1735
01:25:01,773 --> 01:25:04,293
Speaker 17: that that shouldn't be happening. We should be recognizing this

1736
01:25:04,453 --> 01:25:07,973
Speaker 17: health issue in our work places and doing what we

1737
01:25:08,093 --> 01:25:10,453
Speaker 17: can to support people who are experiencing them.

1738
01:25:10,573 --> 01:25:13,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if it were anything else that we would, right,

1739
01:25:13,933 --> 01:25:18,373
Speaker 2: like if it were COVID for example, obviously obviously you would.

1740
01:25:19,133 --> 01:25:19,293
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1741
01:25:19,333 --> 01:25:21,133
Speaker 2: So it's kind of curious that because you know, I suppose,

1742
01:25:21,173 --> 01:25:24,133
Speaker 2: because there hasn't maybe been the awareness that there should

1743
01:25:24,173 --> 01:25:27,453
Speaker 2: be around menopause, we haven't necessarily kind of you know,

1744
01:25:28,093 --> 01:25:31,413
Speaker 2: altered our workplaces and work cultures to allow for them.

1745
01:25:31,533 --> 01:25:31,693
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1746
01:25:32,933 --> 01:25:35,573
Speaker 17: Yeah, I look, I'm sure we could have a long

1747
01:25:35,733 --> 01:25:39,133
Speaker 17: discussion around the sort of gender bias and workplaces and

1748
01:25:39,253 --> 01:25:40,293
Speaker 17: if it's happened to men.

1749
01:25:41,213 --> 01:25:42,653
Speaker 14: But you know, I think it also.

1750
01:25:43,053 --> 01:25:45,693
Speaker 17: Maybe part of it too is that because it's considered

1751
01:25:46,053 --> 01:25:50,973
Speaker 17: a normal natural part of development of human development and

1752
01:25:51,053 --> 01:25:53,533
Speaker 17: getting older, maybe we just don't kind of consider it.

1753
01:25:53,693 --> 01:25:56,133
Speaker 17: But you know, I know that I've got my employer

1754
01:25:56,213 --> 01:26:00,453
Speaker 17: supports me to get a vaccine for the flu every year,

1755
01:26:00,533 --> 01:26:02,573
Speaker 17: you know, go and get a free vaccine. And because

1756
01:26:02,613 --> 01:26:04,693
Speaker 17: we want to make sure that you don't suffer from

1757
01:26:04,733 --> 01:26:07,973
Speaker 17: these because we know that people get the flu which

1758
01:26:08,013 --> 01:26:10,333
Speaker 17: are very similar symptoms to what I just describe earlier,

1759
01:26:10,573 --> 01:26:12,133
Speaker 17: then that can put you off work for a week

1760
01:26:12,253 --> 01:26:13,413
Speaker 17: or two, and we don't want you to be off

1761
01:26:13,453 --> 01:26:15,653
Speaker 17: work for a week or two. But we need to

1762
01:26:15,693 --> 01:26:20,413
Speaker 17: take that same approach I think to discussing menopause it too, Yeah,

1763
01:26:20,653 --> 01:26:22,693
Speaker 17: just making it, just making it okay to.

1764
01:26:22,733 --> 01:26:23,213
Speaker 2: Talk about it.

1765
01:26:23,213 --> 01:26:25,333
Speaker 17: And I think there's a real big piece for leaders,

1766
01:26:25,493 --> 01:26:30,533
Speaker 17: managers and organizations in general to be openly discussing this

1767
01:26:31,093 --> 01:26:34,573
Speaker 17: issue more and upskilling leaders so that they'd at least

1768
01:26:34,653 --> 01:26:36,813
Speaker 17: know what the heck they're talking about, and to have

1769
01:26:36,933 --> 01:26:39,853
Speaker 17: some good policies in place so that so that people

1770
01:26:39,893 --> 01:26:44,413
Speaker 17: who are experiencing menopause don't have to come and go, oh, geez, sorry,

1771
01:26:44,453 --> 01:26:47,053
Speaker 17: I've got this thing going on, it's all a bit uncomfortable.

1772
01:26:47,333 --> 01:26:49,693
Speaker 17: There should just be the ability to talk freely about it,

1773
01:26:49,773 --> 01:26:51,573
Speaker 17: so that women can just come and say, hey, look,

1774
01:26:51,773 --> 01:26:54,333
Speaker 17: I need to you know, if I can move desks

1775
01:26:54,413 --> 01:26:58,413
Speaker 17: maybe or just make some allowances or just so that

1776
01:26:58,533 --> 01:27:00,853
Speaker 17: you know that sometimes I might be a bit brain

1777
01:27:00,973 --> 01:27:03,293
Speaker 17: foggy and that that's okay, but can you.

1778
01:27:03,333 --> 01:27:04,693
Speaker 2: Cut me some slack on those days?

1779
01:27:04,853 --> 01:27:05,053
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1780
01:27:05,213 --> 01:27:07,693
Speaker 2: Right, Extually, just having some thoughtful policies around that I

1781
01:27:07,813 --> 01:27:14,253
Speaker 2: can imagine would really help with retention and attracting good staff, right.

1782
01:27:14,933 --> 01:27:17,853
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you think about that, you know,

1783
01:27:18,213 --> 01:27:21,213
Speaker 17: the age of menopause, you know, late thirties perhaps through

1784
01:27:21,293 --> 01:27:24,893
Speaker 17: to late forties, early fifties, that's those are women who

1785
01:27:24,933 --> 01:27:26,573
Speaker 17: are in the kind of coming to the peak of

1786
01:27:26,613 --> 01:27:27,133
Speaker 17: their career.

1787
01:27:27,213 --> 01:27:28,773
Speaker 2: In many ways, these are people that.

1788
01:27:28,893 --> 01:27:33,333
Speaker 17: You want to retain and attract. And you know the

1789
01:27:33,453 --> 01:27:36,813
Speaker 17: statistic before from the twenty twenty three research, people were

1790
01:27:36,853 --> 01:27:39,533
Speaker 17: leaving their jobs because it wasn't recognized in the world.

1791
01:27:39,613 --> 01:27:41,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, this is a.

1792
01:27:41,373 --> 01:27:43,373
Speaker 17: Great way to keep hold of people, to keep hold

1793
01:27:43,413 --> 01:27:46,333
Speaker 17: of great talent and to it, I think, to attract

1794
01:27:46,413 --> 01:27:51,573
Speaker 17: talent too. If your workplaces seen as you know, aware

1795
01:27:51,733 --> 01:27:55,613
Speaker 17: of and in quotes friendly towards menophorse, then you're possibly

1796
01:27:55,733 --> 01:27:59,813
Speaker 17: likely to actually become a favored employer and get that

1797
01:27:59,973 --> 01:28:02,533
Speaker 17: really good talent rather than letting it go to waste.

1798
01:28:02,733 --> 01:28:05,613
Speaker 2: Lovey workdogle as always. Thank you so much, Google Sutherland

1799
01:28:05,653 --> 01:28:08,053
Speaker 2: from Umbrella Well Being with us this morning at sixteen

1800
01:28:08,133 --> 01:28:11,293
Speaker 2: past eleven on Newstalks EDB travel.

1801
01:28:11,013 --> 01:28:14,373
Speaker 3: With Wendy WU Tours Where the world is yours for now.

1802
01:28:15,093 --> 01:28:18,613
Speaker 2: Mike Godley is our travel correspondent on Saturday mornings, the

1803
01:28:18,653 --> 01:28:20,973
Speaker 2: man with the toughest job in the world, and he

1804
01:28:21,173 --> 01:28:24,653
Speaker 2: has been to an extraordinary destination for us this week.

1805
01:28:24,693 --> 01:28:28,333
Speaker 6: Hey Mike, good morning Jake. Yes, I've got a crush

1806
01:28:28,373 --> 01:28:31,413
Speaker 6: on Ecuador, so I'm going to bore you endlessly about

1807
01:28:31,453 --> 01:28:32,813
Speaker 6: Ecuador over the next few weeks.

1808
01:28:32,933 --> 01:28:34,493
Speaker 2: You are not going to be boring me, do you know.

1809
01:28:34,613 --> 01:28:37,293
Speaker 2: I've never been to Ecuador. It is like right there

1810
01:28:37,373 --> 01:28:39,453
Speaker 2: at the top of the list. So I've been to Columbia,

1811
01:28:39,613 --> 01:28:42,453
Speaker 2: I've been to Peru, I've been to Bolivia, I've been

1812
01:28:42,493 --> 01:28:45,133
Speaker 2: to Brazil, but no, I haven't yet been to Ecuador.

1813
01:28:46,053 --> 01:28:48,093
Speaker 2: So I have very much been looking forward to you

1814
01:28:48,213 --> 01:28:50,653
Speaker 2: guiding us through some of the gems in that extraordinary

1815
01:28:50,693 --> 01:28:52,013
Speaker 2: part of the world. So this week we're going to

1816
01:28:52,053 --> 01:28:56,933
Speaker 2: focus on Ecuador's cloud forest, the Marshpee Reserve. So whereabouts

1817
01:28:57,133 --> 01:28:58,893
Speaker 2: is the marsh Pea Reserve located.

1818
01:29:00,213 --> 01:29:02,893
Speaker 6: It's about a three hour drive northwest of Kito on

1819
01:29:02,973 --> 01:29:05,653
Speaker 6: the western slopes of the Andes, so it forms part

1820
01:29:05,733 --> 01:29:09,053
Speaker 6: of what they call the chocol region. So these are

1821
01:29:09,093 --> 01:29:14,413
Speaker 6: the western forests of the Andes, quite different obviously to

1822
01:29:14,453 --> 01:29:18,333
Speaker 6: the Amazon rainforest on the eastern side. And Marshbee Reserve

1823
01:29:18,773 --> 01:29:22,333
Speaker 6: is ranked by the WWF as one of the world's

1824
01:29:22,533 --> 01:29:28,173
Speaker 6: top ten biode diversity hotspots because it just has so

1825
01:29:28,453 --> 01:29:32,013
Speaker 6: many endemic species. The interesting thing is jack that prior

1826
01:29:32,093 --> 01:29:35,173
Speaker 6: to all of the seismic uplifts of the Andes, both

1827
01:29:35,213 --> 01:29:38,533
Speaker 6: the western and the eastern forests were all just one big,

1828
01:29:38,653 --> 01:29:44,173
Speaker 6: sprawling forest. But what makes the reserve really distinctive at

1829
01:29:44,293 --> 01:29:48,173
Speaker 6: Marshpee is that you've got this huge change in altitude,

1830
01:29:48,213 --> 01:29:50,493
Speaker 6: so you can be walking on trails at five hundred

1831
01:29:50,533 --> 01:29:54,813
Speaker 6: meters above sea level, getting virtually a coastal breeze, and

1832
01:29:54,893 --> 01:29:57,573
Speaker 6: then you go up to fourteen hundred meters on trails.

1833
01:29:57,653 --> 01:30:02,453
Speaker 6: So that's why it is considered both rainforest and cloud forest.

1834
01:30:02,533 --> 01:30:05,213
Speaker 6: It's a bit like a tropical for Jordland. They measure

1835
01:30:05,253 --> 01:30:06,293
Speaker 6: the rainfall and meters.

1836
01:30:07,773 --> 01:30:11,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's lush to say the least. Yes, it's interesting

1837
01:30:11,173 --> 01:30:14,573
Speaker 2: because that that Chocol region has been heavily DeForest today.

1838
01:30:15,853 --> 01:30:21,213
Speaker 6: Shocking. Yeah, So it's an amazing sliver of forest that

1839
01:30:21,373 --> 01:30:25,133
Speaker 6: basically sweeps down from Panama, goes through Columbia and into

1840
01:30:25,213 --> 01:30:29,853
Speaker 6: western Ecuador. But in Ecuador more than ninety percent of

1841
01:30:29,973 --> 01:30:34,773
Speaker 6: the chocol has been deforested. So this became a rallying

1842
01:30:34,893 --> 01:30:39,053
Speaker 6: call for a former mayor of Quito to safeguard the ecosystem.

1843
01:30:39,093 --> 01:30:41,613
Speaker 6: So about twenty five years ago he bought what is

1844
01:30:41,733 --> 01:30:47,493
Speaker 6: now Mushpee Reserve from loggers, developed to this dreamy glasshouse

1845
01:30:47,613 --> 01:30:51,733
Speaker 6: style lodge nine hundred meters high in the cloud forest,

1846
01:30:52,333 --> 01:30:55,573
Speaker 6: and over time the reserve has just steadily grown with

1847
01:30:55,693 --> 01:30:59,813
Speaker 6: community buy in, so it now spans three thousand hectares,

1848
01:31:00,173 --> 01:31:02,893
Speaker 6: which I discovered this morning is the size of Timaru.

1849
01:31:03,253 --> 01:31:06,293
Speaker 2: Wow. Well that's fantastic. And how impressive is the bird life?

1850
01:31:07,733 --> 01:31:11,453
Speaker 6: Well, so many birds, so little time, Jack Taane. If

1851
01:31:11,533 --> 01:31:14,453
Speaker 6: you are not a Twitter on arrival at Mushpee, it's

1852
01:31:14,493 --> 01:31:17,013
Speaker 6: a sure bet you will leave as a hardcore addict

1853
01:31:17,093 --> 01:31:21,573
Speaker 6: there are just so many headline species, like those chocol tukens,

1854
01:31:21,973 --> 01:31:27,733
Speaker 6: those with those enormously cartoonish bulbous yellow beaks. There are woodpeckers,

1855
01:31:27,813 --> 01:31:31,053
Speaker 6: there are squirrel cuckoos. But best of all, I just

1856
01:31:31,133 --> 01:31:34,213
Speaker 6: fell in love with the hummingbirds because they've got thirty

1857
01:31:34,293 --> 01:31:39,373
Speaker 6: two species of hummingbirds at Mushbee with crazy names like

1858
01:31:39,573 --> 01:31:43,573
Speaker 6: purple coronet and the booted racket tail. And the thing

1859
01:31:43,653 --> 01:31:47,893
Speaker 6: about his tail, it actually resembles two squash rackets, which

1860
01:31:47,933 --> 01:31:52,813
Speaker 6: is just crazy. The thing about the hummingbirds, Jack, they

1861
01:31:52,853 --> 01:31:56,413
Speaker 6: are so unperturbed by your presence, so you know, they

1862
01:31:56,493 --> 01:31:58,973
Speaker 6: just couldn't kill less about you. You can get right

1863
01:31:59,093 --> 01:32:02,933
Speaker 6: up close. You can hear them hum as they levitate

1864
01:32:03,013 --> 01:32:06,053
Speaker 6: in the air as if they motorize, and they are

1865
01:32:06,133 --> 01:32:09,693
Speaker 6: the only birds in the world that can fly backwards,

1866
01:32:09,893 --> 01:32:12,853
Speaker 6: which is just wild to see up close.

1867
01:32:13,453 --> 01:32:16,893
Speaker 2: I did this something incredible about hummingbirds. So do have

1868
01:32:17,013 --> 01:32:20,453
Speaker 2: you seen the Harry Potter movies? Yes, so you know

1869
01:32:20,573 --> 01:32:23,733
Speaker 2: that the Snitch and Harry Potter when they're playing quidditch,

1870
01:32:24,053 --> 01:32:26,253
Speaker 2: don't you think that's based on a hummingbird the way

1871
01:32:26,293 --> 01:32:31,733
Speaker 2: it moves. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. I'm convinced it's based

1872
01:32:31,773 --> 01:32:34,773
Speaker 2: on hummingbirds because they said there's something about the way

1873
01:32:34,853 --> 01:32:36,533
Speaker 2: hummingbirds move and like you said, the way they can

1874
01:32:36,613 --> 01:32:39,453
Speaker 2: go backwards. It reminds me of that. So what about

1875
01:32:39,453 --> 01:32:40,053
Speaker 2: the butterflies.

1876
01:32:41,333 --> 01:32:43,653
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I must have mentioned the butterflies, because must

1877
01:32:43,693 --> 01:32:46,053
Speaker 6: be is all a flutter with the full color spectrum

1878
01:32:46,173 --> 01:32:50,573
Speaker 6: of butterflies. They've got this crazy species called the giant

1879
01:32:50,773 --> 01:32:55,013
Speaker 6: owl eye butterfly. And these things are monsters and it's

1880
01:32:55,093 --> 01:32:58,173
Speaker 6: the name suggests they have an L eye marking on

1881
01:32:58,293 --> 01:33:00,933
Speaker 6: their wings. So when you've got two wings fully displayed,

1882
01:33:01,533 --> 01:33:04,733
Speaker 6: or two butterflies side by side, because they're very sociable,

1883
01:33:05,333 --> 01:33:10,453
Speaker 6: they actually the face of an L so it Julie

1884
01:33:10,533 --> 01:33:13,733
Speaker 6: scares of predators. It's kind of like nature's trusty version

1885
01:33:13,813 --> 01:33:16,853
Speaker 6: of the evil eye. I had to do like a

1886
01:33:16,893 --> 01:33:20,493
Speaker 6: double take when I saw all these giant hell butterflies

1887
01:33:20,573 --> 01:33:24,533
Speaker 6: because it does look like a bird just sitting in

1888
01:33:24,613 --> 01:33:26,653
Speaker 6: the tree. Absolutely insane.

1889
01:33:26,733 --> 01:33:28,893
Speaker 2: It's amazing And when you see the how nature has

1890
01:33:28,933 --> 01:33:32,613
Speaker 2: evolved to that, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's bean hones. So

1891
01:33:32,973 --> 01:33:34,213
Speaker 2: did you go into the forest at night?

1892
01:33:35,493 --> 01:33:38,893
Speaker 6: Yes, Well, obviously there are trails glorre to explore by day,

1893
01:33:38,933 --> 01:33:42,133
Speaker 6: but a guided night walk just reveals so much more magic.

1894
01:33:42,293 --> 01:33:45,333
Speaker 6: So there are a lot of vine snakes at marsh

1895
01:33:45,413 --> 01:33:50,813
Speaker 6: Fee and they are very active after dark. Thankfully, they

1896
01:33:50,853 --> 01:33:53,613
Speaker 6: are very considerate. They stick to the vines of the

1897
01:33:53,693 --> 01:33:57,533
Speaker 6: trees so they don't wander down to the trail. One

1898
01:33:57,613 --> 01:34:01,533
Speaker 6: of my nocturnal highlights Jack was gazing at what Ecuadorians

1899
01:34:01,613 --> 01:34:08,013
Speaker 6: call Firefox, and it's this avatar like funger with a

1900
01:34:08,573 --> 01:34:13,213
Speaker 6: very vivid, luminous glow. You would think some aleds had

1901
01:34:13,293 --> 01:34:16,733
Speaker 6: been wired into the fungus. James Cameron could not improve

1902
01:34:16,813 --> 01:34:19,573
Speaker 6: on it. But yeah, the naturalist guides who take you around,

1903
01:34:19,613 --> 01:34:22,533
Speaker 6: they're just so passionate about the reserve, sharing all the

1904
01:34:22,573 --> 01:34:28,413
Speaker 6: forest secrets with you. National Geographic go absolutely gaga about

1905
01:34:28,453 --> 01:34:28,933
Speaker 6: this place.

1906
01:34:29,333 --> 01:34:31,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm not surprised. So were there any sort

1907
01:34:31,573 --> 01:34:34,453
Speaker 2: of particular expedition highlights for you?

1908
01:34:35,773 --> 01:34:38,453
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I think you really want to commune with

1909
01:34:38,573 --> 01:34:41,213
Speaker 6: the cloud forest, and an intimate way to do it,

1910
01:34:41,373 --> 01:34:44,213
Speaker 6: as with the dragonfly open their gondola, so you're sort

1911
01:34:44,213 --> 01:34:46,973
Speaker 6: of like just a float in the forest. But even better,

1912
01:34:47,533 --> 01:34:50,373
Speaker 6: I went on a riveting ride on a skybike. I

1913
01:34:50,453 --> 01:34:54,213
Speaker 6: have never come across these things before, so it's kind

1914
01:34:54,253 --> 01:34:57,493
Speaker 6: of like a zip line strung above the canopy. But

1915
01:34:57,613 --> 01:35:01,653
Speaker 6: the novelty is it's attached to pedals in a seat,

1916
01:35:01,853 --> 01:35:05,333
Speaker 6: so you pedal your way across the skyline and you've

1917
01:35:05,373 --> 01:35:09,333
Speaker 6: got a galloping gorge two hundred feet below you and

1918
01:35:09,533 --> 01:35:12,813
Speaker 6: robed by the forest. And I think the full traverse

1919
01:35:12,973 --> 01:35:16,173
Speaker 6: was about two hundred meters on that high wire cable.

1920
01:35:16,213 --> 01:35:19,533
Speaker 6: So it's a pretty it's a pretty solid workout. But yeah,

1921
01:35:19,613 --> 01:35:23,733
Speaker 6: those views are just so celestial, and there were no

1922
01:35:23,973 --> 01:35:27,053
Speaker 6: close encounters with vine snakes, I'm very pleased to report.

1923
01:35:28,613 --> 01:35:30,773
Speaker 6: But it's just such a great perch on those sky

1924
01:35:30,933 --> 01:35:34,173
Speaker 6: bikes to just savor the sense of isolation and this

1925
01:35:34,813 --> 01:35:38,893
Speaker 6: really remarkable, intriguing pocket of the world. I definitely would

1926
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Speaker 6: thread Mushby Lodge into a trip you're doing to Ecuador.

1927
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Speaker 2: Oh, that sounds superb, so just to I'm just trying

1928
01:35:45,213 --> 01:35:48,053
Speaker 2: to imagine these bikes. So basically, it's like you don't

1929
01:35:48,133 --> 01:35:52,453
Speaker 2: zoom across like you do on a zip you go steadily,

1930
01:35:52,773 --> 01:35:54,853
Speaker 2: like you're slowly peddling a bike kind of thing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like they're in a very high

1932
01:35:58,413 --> 01:36:01,733
Speaker 6: gear like it does actually take a bit of it

1933
01:36:01,813 --> 01:36:03,533
Speaker 6: must just take quite a bit of exercise.

1934
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Speaker 2: Indeed, it just sounds so special, mic And what are

1935
01:36:07,853 --> 01:36:10,933
Speaker 2: times as well? I mean for those who follow their

1936
01:36:11,013 --> 01:36:13,453
Speaker 2: Latin American politics, you know that it's been a very

1937
01:36:13,493 --> 01:36:16,373
Speaker 2: interesting time with the Ecuadorian elections recently.

1938
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Speaker 6: So yeah, will hiper chat about Keto in a couple

1939
01:36:21,693 --> 01:36:24,013
Speaker 6: of weeks and yeah, I was just fascinating to see

1940
01:36:24,053 --> 01:36:26,813
Speaker 6: the whole security situation in Keto and a lot of

1941
01:36:26,853 --> 01:36:29,533
Speaker 6: pressure on this new leader. Yeah, so sort of sort

1942
01:36:29,573 --> 01:36:31,293
Speaker 6: out the country so good.

1943
01:36:31,493 --> 01:36:33,493
Speaker 2: You know, when I when I first moved to New York,

1944
01:36:33,693 --> 01:36:38,213
Speaker 2: I had this terrible, terrible sort of you know, cracked

1945
01:36:38,253 --> 01:36:40,533
Speaker 2: in of an apartment that was on top of a

1946
01:36:40,613 --> 01:36:43,893
Speaker 2: fruit and vegetable store that was run by an Ecuadorian family.

1947
01:36:44,493 --> 01:36:47,333
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I became really good friends with them

1948
01:36:47,373 --> 01:36:49,453
Speaker 2: over over you know, a couple of years, I suppose,

1949
01:36:50,413 --> 01:36:53,213
Speaker 2: and it has just like further wet my appetite for

1950
01:36:53,373 --> 01:36:56,373
Speaker 2: visiting that part of the world because you have such contrasts, say,

1951
01:36:56,653 --> 01:36:59,133
Speaker 2: in such a in such a relatively small area. You know,

1952
01:36:59,173 --> 01:37:01,733
Speaker 2: you've got the kind of andyes, and you've got the rainforest,

1953
01:37:01,813 --> 01:37:04,093
Speaker 2: you've got the cloud forest, but you've also got the coastline.

1954
01:37:04,133 --> 01:37:07,293
Speaker 2: It's just it's amazing now yeah, well so yeah week Variety.

1955
01:37:07,613 --> 01:37:10,613
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I'm really looking forward to hearing more about

1956
01:37:10,653 --> 01:37:12,453
Speaker 2: it over the coming weeks. Thank you so much, Mike.

1957
01:37:12,893 --> 01:37:16,053
Speaker 2: So we'll make sure that Mike's tips for savoring Ecuador's

1958
01:37:16,093 --> 01:37:18,813
Speaker 2: cloud forests and the Marshpee Reserve are up on the

1959
01:37:18,853 --> 01:37:20,893
Speaker 2: News Talks heb website. If you just need anything from

1960
01:37:20,893 --> 01:37:22,853
Speaker 2: our show, honestly, that is the easiest thing to do.

1961
01:37:23,333 --> 01:37:25,493
Speaker 2: Just go to news Talks. He'db dot co dot ed

1962
01:37:25,973 --> 01:37:29,333
Speaker 2: Ford slash Jack. That's our show page and they'll have

1963
01:37:29,493 --> 01:37:31,493
Speaker 2: everything from our show right up there, just as soon

1964
01:37:31,533 --> 01:37:32,493
Speaker 2: as it's been on the radio.

1965
01:37:37,053 --> 01:37:40,973
Speaker 1: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack team

1966
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Speaker 1: on News Talks EDB.

1967
01:37:43,333 --> 01:37:53,173
Speaker 14: Nas nast last flat.

1968
01:38:00,093 --> 01:38:02,653
Speaker 2: News Talks. He'd be just after eleven thirty on your

1969
01:38:02,733 --> 01:38:05,533
Speaker 2: cold Saturday Morning, Jack Tane. We do through the midday

1970
01:38:05,693 --> 01:38:08,693
Speaker 2: and then good news. You're going to be joined by

1971
01:38:08,773 --> 01:38:12,493
Speaker 2: the joint winner of the Best Sports Presenter or Commentator

1972
01:38:13,333 --> 01:38:16,413
Speaker 2: this year's New Zealand Radio Awards, mister Jason Pine is

1973
01:38:16,493 --> 01:38:19,413
Speaker 2: going to be here for weekends. Well, congratulations, sir, Thank

1974
01:38:19,453 --> 01:38:19,893
Speaker 2: you so much.

1975
01:38:19,973 --> 01:38:20,173
Speaker 9: Jack.

1976
01:38:20,173 --> 01:38:21,693
Speaker 23: I really appreciate it. Great to see the other night

1977
01:38:21,813 --> 01:38:24,533
Speaker 23: is a great night for the station. A station of

1978
01:38:24,613 --> 01:38:26,813
Speaker 23: the year wins. So now I always enjoy celebrating with

1979
01:38:26,853 --> 01:38:27,933
Speaker 23: everybody across the radio.

1980
01:38:27,933 --> 01:38:30,013
Speaker 2: And I mean, if if Mike Costume was here, what

1981
01:38:30,053 --> 01:38:31,573
Speaker 2: would he say, how many? How many years in a row?

1982
01:38:31,613 --> 01:38:32,973
Speaker 2: Is that station of the year initials?

1983
01:38:33,493 --> 01:38:33,693
Speaker 24: Yeah?

1984
01:38:33,893 --> 01:38:36,733
Speaker 2: And for himself as well. Yeah, I think it's credit

1985
01:38:37,093 --> 01:38:39,773
Speaker 2: for the station, probably even more for the husk So

1986
01:38:39,853 --> 01:38:43,213
Speaker 2: who knows. And nine in a row for Marcus Lush?

1987
01:38:43,413 --> 01:38:43,893
Speaker 3: Is that right?

1988
01:38:44,533 --> 01:38:45,173
Speaker 2: Nine in a row?

1989
01:38:45,853 --> 01:38:46,013
Speaker 19: There?

1990
01:38:46,053 --> 01:38:49,293
Speaker 2: So I was I was nominated in the category that

1991
01:38:49,613 --> 01:38:52,733
Speaker 2: Mark Slushes was was was an and people said, oh,

1992
01:38:52,813 --> 01:38:55,653
Speaker 2: you know, like, I see you nominated, And I say, look,

1993
01:38:55,813 --> 01:38:58,413
Speaker 2: I'm not just being modest here. I'm going to lose,

1994
01:38:58,533 --> 01:39:00,773
Speaker 2: and I have no problem, Like it's entirely it's an

1995
01:39:00,933 --> 01:39:05,013
Speaker 2: entirely just result if I you know, if any if

1996
01:39:05,053 --> 01:39:07,493
Speaker 2: it were anyone else, then maybe I'd have a different perspective.

1997
01:39:07,533 --> 01:39:09,213
Speaker 2: But no, it's it's got to be Marcus.

1998
01:39:09,853 --> 01:39:14,013
Speaker 23: But I honestly, I mean, yeah, we probably shouldn't talk.

1999
01:39:14,453 --> 01:39:16,053
Speaker 23: Let's talk off the esh. We talk about what's coming

2000
01:39:16,093 --> 01:39:16,373
Speaker 23: up on me.

2001
01:39:16,493 --> 01:39:18,013
Speaker 2: Let's talk about what's coming up. You've got the new

2002
01:39:18,093 --> 01:39:20,293
Speaker 2: black Caps coach and Was this a surprise at all

2003
01:39:20,333 --> 01:39:22,693
Speaker 2: for you? No, not really. I think it was either

2004
01:39:22,773 --> 01:39:23,693
Speaker 2: him or Shane Bond.

2005
01:39:23,973 --> 01:39:28,373
Speaker 23: And in Rob Walter's greater experience as a head coach,

2006
01:39:28,453 --> 01:39:32,093
Speaker 23: has domestic knowledge, The fact that he's he has coached internationally,

2007
01:39:32,133 --> 01:39:34,813
Speaker 23: even in whiteball stuff with South Africa, I think probably

2008
01:39:34,893 --> 01:39:38,413
Speaker 23: gave him the nods. Look, I've scanned around and it

2009
01:39:38,493 --> 01:39:41,213
Speaker 23: seems like a fairly popular appointment. It's not a rock

2010
01:39:41,253 --> 01:39:44,933
Speaker 23: star appointment. It's not Stephen Fleming or Brendan McCallum coaching

2011
01:39:44,973 --> 01:39:47,453
Speaker 23: the black Caps jack but it's an interesting time for

2012
01:39:47,693 --> 01:39:51,013
Speaker 23: any coach of a national side, with the you know,

2013
01:39:51,173 --> 01:39:54,773
Speaker 23: the the push and pull of these franchise leagues, not

2014
01:39:54,933 --> 01:39:57,333
Speaker 23: just the IPL and you know the other sort of

2015
01:39:57,413 --> 01:40:00,453
Speaker 23: high profile ones, but so many other leagues popping up

2016
01:40:00,453 --> 01:40:02,893
Speaker 23: around the world, turning the heads of our top cricketers,

2017
01:40:02,933 --> 01:40:04,893
Speaker 23: who more and more are now saying, you know what,

2018
01:40:05,613 --> 01:40:08,253
Speaker 23: I appreciate the offer of a central contract and I'm

2019
01:40:08,293 --> 01:40:09,053
Speaker 23: not going to take it up.

2020
01:40:09,133 --> 01:40:10,693
Speaker 2: So how does he deal with that? How does he

2021
01:40:10,893 --> 01:40:11,533
Speaker 2: how does he deal.

2022
01:40:11,413 --> 01:40:13,653
Speaker 23: With coming into an environment where so it's been pretty

2023
01:40:13,653 --> 01:40:16,493
Speaker 23: successful under Gary Stead, So what do you change? How

2024
01:40:16,573 --> 01:40:18,133
Speaker 23: do you stamp your own Mark or do you just

2025
01:40:18,213 --> 01:40:20,733
Speaker 23: sort of keep on with what's been working. So yeah,

2026
01:40:20,933 --> 01:40:23,093
Speaker 23: I'm looking forward to chatting to Rob Walter after mid day.

2027
01:40:23,093 --> 01:40:25,573
Speaker 2: They've got to like design an algorithm for this. It

2028
01:40:25,653 --> 01:40:28,693
Speaker 2: must be really difficult when you are trying to blood

2029
01:40:28,853 --> 01:40:33,133
Speaker 2: new players and you've got new talent coming through to

2030
01:40:33,333 --> 01:40:36,853
Speaker 2: then know that if they do too well, they're immediately

2031
01:40:36,933 --> 01:40:39,373
Speaker 2: going to have demand from all the international you know,

2032
01:40:39,493 --> 01:40:43,493
Speaker 2: from all all of the different franchise cricket you know, offerings,

2033
01:40:43,853 --> 01:40:46,013
Speaker 2: and then trying to keep them so they're playing enough

2034
01:40:46,093 --> 01:40:47,573
Speaker 2: cricket for New Zealand, but then they don't want to

2035
01:40:47,613 --> 01:40:49,413
Speaker 2: play white ball cricket for New Zealand. But then we've

2036
01:40:49,453 --> 01:40:51,253
Speaker 2: got barely any red bull cricket for News And that's,

2037
01:40:51,253 --> 01:40:53,613
Speaker 2: like I said, a really really tricky time to try

2038
01:40:53,653 --> 01:40:54,853
Speaker 2: and manage those different forces.

2039
01:40:54,893 --> 01:40:57,293
Speaker 23: Ah, if there is an algorithm, I'd love to see

2040
01:40:57,333 --> 01:41:00,173
Speaker 23: it because there are so many variables Jack, as you know,

2041
01:41:00,333 --> 01:41:03,093
Speaker 23: and you're right in most most players, in fact, almost

2042
01:41:03,213 --> 01:41:06,613
Speaker 23: all players who end up playing franchise cricket can the

2043
01:41:06,693 --> 01:41:09,493
Speaker 23: eye in the international game playing for their country, so

2044
01:41:09,933 --> 01:41:11,053
Speaker 23: you actually have to be in that.

2045
01:41:11,133 --> 01:41:13,053
Speaker 2: And then as you say, I got like ruch and Ravendra.

2046
01:41:13,253 --> 01:41:17,133
Speaker 23: Yeah, you know, perfectly, absolutely magnificent cricketer, would be able

2047
01:41:17,173 --> 01:41:19,413
Speaker 23: to if you wanted to to play franchise cricket all

2048
01:41:19,493 --> 01:41:23,133
Speaker 23: year round, but is so deeply invested in international cricket,

2049
01:41:23,493 --> 01:41:27,293
Speaker 23: loves Test matches, absolute cricket, nerd loves loves the red

2050
01:41:27,373 --> 01:41:30,933
Speaker 23: ball game. So he's he's probably a great guy to

2051
01:41:31,013 --> 01:41:32,813
Speaker 23: have for Rob Walter because he knows, you know what,

2052
01:41:32,973 --> 01:41:35,653
Speaker 23: he's going to play international cricket most of the time. Others,

2053
01:41:36,133 --> 01:41:38,013
Speaker 23: maybe the ones getting towards the back end of their

2054
01:41:38,093 --> 01:41:40,493
Speaker 23: career as well, are more likely to take the money.

2055
01:41:40,573 --> 01:41:43,413
Speaker 23: So it's a it's a really interesting little little layer

2056
01:41:43,493 --> 01:41:45,973
Speaker 23: of challenge for any cricket cut I.

2057
01:41:46,133 --> 01:41:47,693
Speaker 2: Wonder if we're going to get to the point where

2058
01:41:47,813 --> 01:41:51,013
Speaker 2: white ball cricket, where international white ball cricket is like

2059
01:41:51,253 --> 01:41:54,613
Speaker 2: really like secondary and then we just follow kind of

2060
01:41:54,653 --> 01:41:58,133
Speaker 2: franchise white ball cricket, you know, for a large part

2061
01:41:58,173 --> 01:42:00,133
Speaker 2: of the year, and then there's kind of windows where

2062
01:42:00,133 --> 01:42:02,573
Speaker 2: they play Test cricket, and Test cricket is you know,

2063
01:42:02,693 --> 01:42:05,013
Speaker 2: the kind of only international cricket that anyone really cares.

2064
01:42:05,053 --> 01:42:06,693
Speaker 2: But I no know, may I just feel like maybe

2065
01:42:06,733 --> 01:42:08,453
Speaker 2: that's where we're kind of headed over the next ten

2066
01:42:08,453 --> 01:42:11,373
Speaker 2: to fifteen years. But I guess we'll see Crusader's pretty

2067
01:42:11,733 --> 01:42:13,653
Speaker 2: strong last night. What are you picking for Chiefs Blues

2068
01:42:13,693 --> 01:42:15,333
Speaker 2: this evening? The Canes up as well, of.

2069
01:42:15,373 --> 01:42:17,653
Speaker 23: Course, Yeah, I think the Chiefs will win the game.

2070
01:42:17,773 --> 01:42:19,813
Speaker 23: But I think if you ask the Chiefs who that

2071
01:42:20,133 --> 01:42:22,653
Speaker 23: mean they finish top and therefore play the team that

2072
01:42:22,733 --> 01:42:25,213
Speaker 23: finished sixth. I don't think people thought the Blues would

2073
01:42:25,253 --> 01:42:27,293
Speaker 23: beat the team for these six because on their night,

2074
01:42:27,373 --> 01:42:29,493
Speaker 23: as we know, Jack, they can beat anybody. The Blues. Yeah,

2075
01:42:29,533 --> 01:42:31,293
Speaker 23: you look at last year. They were terrific last year.

2076
01:42:31,333 --> 01:42:34,373
Speaker 23: For the whole season, it's been a very, very stuttering

2077
01:42:34,493 --> 01:42:37,373
Speaker 23: title defense. But they are here on week one of

2078
01:42:37,413 --> 01:42:39,933
Speaker 23: the finals knowing that they really know now are in

2079
01:42:40,013 --> 01:42:43,013
Speaker 23: must win territory every time they play the Chiefs. You know,

2080
01:42:43,133 --> 01:42:45,973
Speaker 23: whether this plays into things at all or not, know

2081
01:42:46,173 --> 01:42:49,013
Speaker 23: that regardless of whether they win or lose tonight, they

2082
01:42:49,093 --> 01:42:51,973
Speaker 23: will still host a semi final next weekend. That's the

2083
01:42:52,093 --> 01:42:54,853
Speaker 23: vagary of this new final system. So can the Blues

2084
01:42:54,893 --> 01:42:55,453
Speaker 23: tap into that?

2085
01:42:55,773 --> 01:42:56,173
Speaker 2: Not sure?

2086
01:42:56,293 --> 01:42:58,053
Speaker 23: But I still think the Chiefs will win the game,

2087
01:42:58,173 --> 01:43:00,493
Speaker 23: and the Hurricanes fan and me can never bet against

2088
01:43:00,533 --> 01:43:05,933
Speaker 23: my boys, So yeah, I'm expecting a Chiefs hurricanes scenario tonight.

2089
01:43:05,933 --> 01:43:09,053
Speaker 2: What about you. Yeah, I think you're probably right, and

2090
01:43:09,133 --> 01:43:10,693
Speaker 2: I think it's a good thing. I'd like to see

2091
01:43:10,733 --> 01:43:14,653
Speaker 2: the Chiefs avenged last year's last year's. Finally, i'd like

2092
01:43:14,693 --> 01:43:16,013
Speaker 2: to see them get up. I think it'd be good.

2093
01:43:16,413 --> 01:43:18,333
Speaker 2: All right, So looking forward to this afternoon. Thank you.

2094
01:43:18,613 --> 01:43:21,013
Speaker 2: We will let you go and spit polish your award

2095
01:43:21,053 --> 01:43:23,253
Speaker 2: and make sure that it's nice and prominent this afternoon

2096
01:43:23,773 --> 01:43:25,533
Speaker 2: right here in the middle of the desk before Hosking

2097
01:43:25,573 --> 01:43:28,013
Speaker 2: reclaims the spot on Monday morning. Thank you very much.

2098
01:43:28,173 --> 01:43:31,373
Speaker 2: Jason Pine with us for a weekend sport before midday.

2099
01:43:31,413 --> 01:43:34,493
Speaker 2: We've got new music for you from Pulp, their first

2100
01:43:34,613 --> 01:43:37,853
Speaker 2: album in almost a quarter of a century. And next

2101
01:43:37,933 --> 01:43:39,493
Speaker 2: up your book picks for this weekend.

2102
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Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with Jack Tame Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

2103
01:43:44,853 --> 01:43:46,293
Speaker 1: powered by News Talks EDB.

2104
01:43:47,653 --> 01:43:50,413
Speaker 2: Tweeter twelve on News Talks heed Be. Katherine Rain's our

2105
01:43:50,413 --> 01:43:53,053
Speaker 2: book reviewer is here with her two great reads for

2106
01:43:53,093 --> 01:43:56,573
Speaker 2: the weekend. Hey Catherine, morning Jack. Okay, let's begin with

2107
01:43:56,653 --> 01:43:59,853
Speaker 2: a new book by Lucy Clark called The Surf House.

2108
01:44:00,933 --> 01:44:03,173
Speaker 25: So this joins a genre of books that I hadn't

2109
01:44:03,213 --> 01:44:05,933
Speaker 25: really heard of. Called Destination Thrillers, and it's filled with

2110
01:44:06,853 --> 01:44:10,373
Speaker 25: mystery and secrets and lots of blackmail. And it's set

2111
01:44:10,573 --> 01:44:14,053
Speaker 25: initially in Marrakesh in Morocco, and Bee's fed up with

2112
01:44:14,133 --> 01:44:16,373
Speaker 25: his modeling assignment that she's on. She's sick of being

2113
01:44:16,373 --> 01:44:18,213
Speaker 25: told how to stand, what to do, and so she

2114
01:44:18,333 --> 01:44:21,693
Speaker 25: decides to walk off the set, not really knowing where

2115
01:44:21,773 --> 01:44:25,213
Speaker 25: she's going, and ends up straying from the husslan bustle

2116
01:44:25,253 --> 01:44:27,933
Speaker 25: of the market and gets mugged in this alleyway and

2117
01:44:28,053 --> 01:44:31,173
Speaker 25: this woman Marnie, steps in and they managed to escape,

2118
01:44:31,533 --> 01:44:33,453
Speaker 25: and money offers her this place to stay while she

2119
01:44:33,573 --> 01:44:35,293
Speaker 25: kind of gets herself back on her feet, and it's

2120
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Speaker 25: called the Surf House, and she ends up kind of

2121
01:44:37,373 --> 01:44:40,093
Speaker 25: running the place to basically pay for her board. And

2122
01:44:40,173 --> 01:44:42,373
Speaker 25: then this new visitor arrives, a guy called Seth, and

2123
01:44:42,453 --> 01:44:45,093
Speaker 25: he's looking for his sister, Savannah, who's been missing for

2124
01:44:45,173 --> 01:44:48,053
Speaker 25: the last year, and the last, of course location that

2125
01:44:48,133 --> 01:44:50,133
Speaker 25: she was seen at was the Surf House, and so

2126
01:44:50,293 --> 01:44:52,973
Speaker 25: he asked Bee to help her find out what's going on.

2127
01:44:53,253 --> 01:44:56,333
Speaker 25: And the plot really centers around Savannah and this group

2128
01:44:56,413 --> 01:44:59,133
Speaker 25: of people dealing with some pretty big issues and this

2129
01:44:59,413 --> 01:45:01,773
Speaker 25: vand that drives off into the unknown and the surf

2130
01:45:01,813 --> 01:45:04,133
Speaker 25: house by the beach, and it adds kind of like

2131
01:45:04,253 --> 01:45:07,253
Speaker 25: this almost haunty, eerie fear link to the whole thing.

2132
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Speaker 25: And then you lay it in that atmospheric, breathtaking Moroccan

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Speaker 25: landscape and you get this intriguing characters and medicine plots

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Speaker 25: and ended up with a great thriller novel calls you

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Speaker 25: to turn the pages.

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Speaker 2: I was being a little bit chea, I thought when

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01:45:19,373 --> 01:45:23,413
Speaker 2: you said the model walks off off set in Marrakesh,

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01:45:23,533 --> 01:45:25,813
Speaker 2: it turns into a thriller, is like, okay, are but

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01:45:26,013 --> 01:45:28,573
Speaker 2: know that sounds good, sounds really enjoyable. Yeah, look it does.

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Speaker 25: I mean you with lots of these books, you do

2141
01:45:31,013 --> 01:45:34,093
Speaker 25: have to suspend a little bit of reality. Yes, you

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01:45:34,093 --> 01:45:35,133
Speaker 25: would need to do that with this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's the whole point. That's the entire

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01:45:37,493 --> 01:45:41,373
Speaker 2: points exactly. So that's the Serve House by Lucy Clark

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Speaker 2: Love It tell us about the Oligarch's Daughter by Joseph Finder.

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Speaker 25: So you probably also want to suspend a healthy dose

2147
01:45:47,373 --> 01:45:49,693
Speaker 25: of reality on this one and enter the world of

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01:45:49,933 --> 01:45:52,853
Speaker 25: a spy thrillers. And you meet this guy Paul Brightman,

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01:45:52,933 --> 01:45:55,133
Speaker 25: and he's a hedge fund manager on Wall Street and

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01:45:55,213 --> 01:45:58,293
Speaker 25: at a party he meets this woman, Tadiana, who's a

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01:45:58,373 --> 01:46:00,813
Speaker 25: pretty successful photographer, and he falls very hard for it,

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01:46:00,893 --> 01:46:03,373
Speaker 25: and soon they end up in a relationship together and

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01:46:03,453 --> 01:46:05,933
Speaker 25: it becomes time for him to meet her family. And

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01:46:06,413 --> 01:46:08,573
Speaker 25: Tadiana had always told Paul that her father was a

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01:46:08,693 --> 01:46:12,133
Speaker 25: very successful businessman, and he soon finds himself being offered

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01:46:12,133 --> 01:46:14,773
Speaker 25: a role in her father's business. He doesn't really want

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01:46:14,813 --> 01:46:16,893
Speaker 25: to take the job, but the offer is amazing, and

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01:46:16,973 --> 01:46:19,533
Speaker 25: then he makes the decision to go and work and

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01:46:19,653 --> 01:46:21,533
Speaker 25: move to the offices where her father works. And of

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01:46:21,613 --> 01:46:24,813
Speaker 25: course he obviously, as the title suggests, he turns out

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01:46:24,853 --> 01:46:28,893
Speaker 25: to be a Russian oligarch, and Paul finds himself escalated

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01:46:28,933 --> 01:46:32,093
Speaker 25: in this world of hidden agenda's surveillance, betrayal, and as

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01:46:32,133 --> 01:46:35,573
Speaker 25: he gets closer to her family, he unwittingly sort of

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01:46:35,613 --> 01:46:39,213
Speaker 25: steps into this game of financial power, market manipulation and

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Speaker 25: Russian intelligence. And then of course the American FBI and

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01:46:42,973 --> 01:46:45,813
Speaker 25: CIA get involved, and he's now really in over his

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01:46:45,893 --> 01:46:48,973
Speaker 25: head and finds himself on the run. And yeah, those

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Speaker 25: after him have some very sophisticated methods of tracking and

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01:46:52,773 --> 01:46:55,493
Speaker 25: it's an excellent sp thraugher. It reminded me really of

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Speaker 25: John McCarey, right, really well.

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Speaker 2: Told herb Yeah, okay, great, I love her. But Lacarro

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01:47:00,893 --> 01:47:03,133
Speaker 2: so that could be me. I reckon. That's The Oligarch's

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01:47:03,173 --> 01:47:06,573
Speaker 2: Daughter by Joseph Finder, Catherine's first book, The surf Us

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Speaker 2: by Lucy Clark. Make sure both of those are on

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Speaker 2: the news talks. He'd be website thanks.

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Speaker 1: Catherine, giving you the inside scoop on all you need

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Speaker 1: in US Saturday mornings with Jack Tame and bepure dot

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Speaker 1: co dotence it for high quality supplements used talks.

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Speaker 3: It'd be not the first.

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Speaker 20: We are golden tonight, like two little children under the covers,

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01:47:28,293 --> 01:47:31,613
Speaker 20: a drift in the night with the universe of us

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01:47:32,013 --> 01:47:36,333
Speaker 20: and Powertyda and you'll be the mother and we'll make out.

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01:47:36,613 --> 01:47:39,573
Speaker 3: We know what it is that lived one, but whatever

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01:47:39,733 --> 01:47:43,853
Speaker 3: it is, I know that is. Oh, just begiving.

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Speaker 14: Fellow you a test like.

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01:48:00,813 --> 01:48:05,253
Speaker 2: That is Grown Ups by Pulp. Their first album since

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Speaker 2: two thousand and one is called More and The Stelle Clifford,

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01:48:10,333 --> 01:48:11,533
Speaker 2: our music reviewer, has been listening.

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Speaker 24: She's with us this morning, hairstyle O more than and

2190
01:48:14,253 --> 01:48:18,493
Speaker 24: you're celebrating Pulp everyone of course recognizing common people, so

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01:48:18,613 --> 01:48:20,813
Speaker 24: that you played it earlier and then that song would

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01:48:20,853 --> 01:48:23,613
Speaker 24: just come out of called grown Ups, which I think

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01:48:23,853 --> 01:48:28,133
Speaker 24: is one of those things where the lead singer, Javis

2194
01:48:28,173 --> 01:48:29,933
Speaker 24: Cocker is like, I don't really want to be one.

2195
01:48:30,013 --> 01:48:31,773
Speaker 24: It's really hard to be one. Yeah, but here we

2196
01:48:31,853 --> 01:48:33,533
Speaker 24: are about wrinkles instead about me.

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01:48:33,773 --> 01:48:33,973
Speaker 13: Yeah.

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01:48:34,093 --> 01:48:36,653
Speaker 2: True. I think I've said this already this morning, you know,

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Speaker 2: Like I I, of course, when I think of pop,

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01:48:39,173 --> 01:48:40,973
Speaker 2: I immediately think of Javis Cocker. And when I think

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01:48:40,973 --> 01:48:42,973
Speaker 2: of Javis Cocker, I just think with a name like that,

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01:48:43,133 --> 01:48:44,613
Speaker 2: you had to be a British rock star.

2203
01:48:45,093 --> 01:48:46,253
Speaker 24: You couldn't be a quiet Dodo.

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01:48:46,693 --> 01:48:50,893
Speaker 2: Just Javis cock Just it's just perfect, you know, yeah, yeah.

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01:48:50,813 --> 01:48:53,253
Speaker 24: Yeah, absolutely, And that's the interesting thing, like he talks

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01:48:53,253 --> 01:48:54,973
Speaker 24: about that and the lyrics of these songs that he

2207
01:48:55,093 --> 01:48:56,613
Speaker 24: was born to be a front man. He was born

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01:48:56,653 --> 01:48:59,453
Speaker 24: to be up the front. Yeah, but also still doing

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01:48:59,493 --> 01:49:04,333
Speaker 24: that struggle of like what is fame, what is real? Yeah?

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01:49:04,373 --> 01:49:05,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

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01:49:05,933 --> 01:49:07,933
Speaker 24: Pulp Pulp have kind of like you know, they've been

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01:49:08,013 --> 01:49:11,893
Speaker 24: around since the eighties and sort of mixed vibes like

2213
01:49:11,973 --> 01:49:13,493
Speaker 24: some of their albums have really had. I think their

2214
01:49:13,613 --> 01:49:17,253
Speaker 24: nineties stuff is really where most people will remember Pulp,

2215
01:49:17,333 --> 01:49:19,173
Speaker 24: and a lot of those albums are three albums through

2216
01:49:19,173 --> 01:49:21,293
Speaker 24: the nineties did really really well for them, but there's

2217
01:49:21,293 --> 01:49:23,333
Speaker 24: been a lot of messy stuff and changes of band

2218
01:49:23,493 --> 01:49:25,253
Speaker 24: members and all sorts of things. But he was the

2219
01:49:25,293 --> 01:49:27,813
Speaker 24: guy that kept going. He has one of those voices too,

2220
01:49:27,893 --> 01:49:29,853
Speaker 24: like if you hear it, no matter who's playing with,

2221
01:49:29,893 --> 01:49:32,013
Speaker 24: it's going to be Pulp because that's the sound of it.

2222
01:49:32,213 --> 01:49:33,613
Speaker 24: Like you say, he's got the nave and he's also

2223
01:49:33,653 --> 01:49:36,293
Speaker 24: got the voice that takes you through. This is definitely

2224
01:49:36,453 --> 01:49:38,373
Speaker 24: a reunion album, like he's got a whole lot of

2225
01:49:38,413 --> 01:49:41,893
Speaker 24: past members who have come back. It is also dedicated

2226
01:49:42,013 --> 01:49:45,733
Speaker 24: to Steve MACKI No, he's been part of Pulp right

2227
01:49:45,973 --> 01:49:47,933
Speaker 24: through since the late eighties on every single album, but

2228
01:49:48,013 --> 01:49:50,173
Speaker 24: he passed away a couple of years ago, so I

2229
01:49:50,293 --> 01:49:52,733
Speaker 24: kind of like that there's a tribute to the past

2230
01:49:52,773 --> 01:49:56,533
Speaker 24: and then moving forward. There's plenty of what you'd expect.

2231
01:49:56,733 --> 01:50:00,013
Speaker 24: I loved this actually found on one of their videos

2232
01:50:00,053 --> 01:50:02,213
Speaker 24: that they've put out for Spike Island, which was the

2233
01:50:02,293 --> 01:50:04,653
Speaker 24: lead single off this album. He sounds very Bowie in it.

2234
01:50:04,733 --> 01:50:04,813
Speaker 5: Too.

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01:50:04,853 --> 01:50:08,533
Speaker 24: By the way, there were some fans. The fans have said,

2236
01:50:08,853 --> 01:50:12,173
Speaker 24: I've definitely transformed from a miserable old crop back to

2237
01:50:12,253 --> 01:50:14,253
Speaker 24: a carefree twenty year old again. I'm still loving this

2238
01:50:16,493 --> 01:50:17,893
Speaker 24: about the nineties kind of sound.

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01:50:17,973 --> 01:50:18,253
Speaker 2: Does that?

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Speaker 24: So that brit pop thing, like these guys I think

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01:50:23,053 --> 01:50:24,813
Speaker 24: are quite good at that. There's a little bit of

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01:50:25,373 --> 01:50:27,733
Speaker 24: sort of funk, some funky jams in there where they've

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01:50:27,733 --> 01:50:30,693
Speaker 24: got some funk guitar going on, So a little bit

2244
01:50:30,773 --> 01:50:35,133
Speaker 24: of maybe playing around with some other genre is sort

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01:50:35,133 --> 01:50:37,253
Speaker 24: of but not really like mostly sticking to what it

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01:50:37,373 --> 01:50:38,973
Speaker 24: is they know, and I think that's quite good. There's

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01:50:39,013 --> 01:50:43,093
Speaker 24: still this signature sort of scathing. Jarvis is quite good

2248
01:50:43,093 --> 01:50:46,613
Speaker 24: at writing where he's always sort of I mean, surely

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01:50:46,693 --> 01:50:48,613
Speaker 24: he is a rich dude, but he likes to look

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01:50:48,653 --> 01:50:50,813
Speaker 24: at life like, oh my gosh, you poor rich people.

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01:50:52,053 --> 01:50:55,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a lot of British pop and

2252
01:50:55,253 --> 01:50:57,133
Speaker 2: a British rock, right. There's always the kind of the

2253
01:50:57,413 --> 01:51:03,493
Speaker 2: the vein of classism kind of you know, kind of

2254
01:51:03,573 --> 01:51:05,373
Speaker 2: goes through everything you know and.

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01:51:05,413 --> 01:51:07,413
Speaker 24: As part of the just make up I suppose a

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01:51:07,453 --> 01:51:10,453
Speaker 24: little bit, isn't it. So Yeah, in glam rock New

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01:51:10,573 --> 01:51:13,653
Speaker 24: Waves there's like that sort of dark maybe the lyrics

2258
01:51:13,693 --> 01:51:15,413
Speaker 24: of the sort of the darkness or the voices, but

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01:51:15,613 --> 01:51:17,293
Speaker 24: there's sort of light. Like there's a lot of really

2260
01:51:17,413 --> 01:51:20,213
Speaker 24: forward movements in some fun kind of sound and some

2261
01:51:20,293 --> 01:51:22,373
Speaker 24: really catchy tunes that I think they've managed to capture

2262
01:51:22,453 --> 01:51:25,173
Speaker 24: in here. Actually going back to that grown up song,

2263
01:51:25,213 --> 01:51:27,293
Speaker 24: I think it's funny because it's like the adults version

2264
01:51:27,333 --> 01:51:30,853
Speaker 24: of Inside Out movies. You know, I don't know if

2265
01:51:30,853 --> 01:51:33,813
Speaker 24: you've seen those, but inside Out too. They keep on

2266
01:51:33,893 --> 01:51:35,773
Speaker 24: trying to make nostalgia not come through the door, but

2267
01:51:36,213 --> 01:51:42,093
Speaker 24: nostalgia is very heavy and that Spike island you're going

2268
01:51:42,133 --> 01:51:44,093
Speaker 24: to play out of here. Like I said, this sounds

2269
01:51:44,093 --> 01:51:47,413
Speaker 24: a bit Bowie and it mixed reviews, Like some people

2270
01:51:47,493 --> 01:51:49,533
Speaker 24: aren't digging it. They think it's just a bit too basic.

2271
01:51:50,693 --> 01:51:53,653
Speaker 24: But you know, the cassio keyboards is kind of also

2272
01:51:53,693 --> 01:51:57,613
Speaker 24: synonymous with pulp tunes, and I actually think it's really catchy.

2273
01:51:57,693 --> 01:51:59,493
Speaker 24: I think it's quite good. I think the music video

2274
01:51:59,533 --> 01:52:01,373
Speaker 24: that goes along with it is definitely worth the watch.

2275
01:52:01,413 --> 01:52:04,893
Speaker 24: They've done some really clever imagery in there and then

2276
01:52:04,933 --> 01:52:06,693
Speaker 24: sort of taken them mickey. They put some words that

2277
01:52:06,773 --> 01:52:08,893
Speaker 24: come up through the video and it's actually quite funny

2278
01:52:09,813 --> 01:52:12,373
Speaker 24: of themselves, which you can, can't you when you've been

2279
01:52:12,413 --> 01:52:13,373
Speaker 24: around since the lay Ladies.

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Speaker 2: I thanks, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh nice. I'm looking forward

2281
01:52:17,133 --> 01:52:18,333
Speaker 2: to having a bit more of a listening. So what

2282
01:52:18,493 --> 01:52:19,733
Speaker 2: did you give it? What did you give?

2283
01:52:19,773 --> 01:52:19,973
Speaker 15: More?

2284
01:52:20,053 --> 01:52:21,773
Speaker 2: By by Pop?

2285
01:52:22,253 --> 01:52:23,853
Speaker 24: If you're already one of their fans, you're going to

2286
01:52:23,933 --> 01:52:25,773
Speaker 24: really feel connected to this. It will take you back

2287
01:52:25,773 --> 01:52:27,333
Speaker 24: to a time and place. And if you're new to them,

2288
01:52:27,413 --> 01:52:29,253
Speaker 24: I think that new way brick Pop's thing. They do

2289
01:52:29,333 --> 01:52:31,453
Speaker 24: it really well, so that's a good one to get

2290
01:52:31,493 --> 01:52:32,973
Speaker 24: in on. I mean overy, I'm going to give it

2291
01:52:32,973 --> 01:52:33,733
Speaker 24: a seven out of ten.

2292
01:52:33,893 --> 01:52:35,613
Speaker 2: Okay, seven out of ten. We'll have a bit more

2293
01:52:35,613 --> 01:52:37,013
Speaker 2: of a listener in a couple of minutes. Thank you

2294
01:52:37,173 --> 01:52:40,293
Speaker 2: very much to Stelle. There it is Stale Clifford Our

2295
01:52:40,373 --> 01:52:43,293
Speaker 2: Music Ivie eject that song sounds like early David Bowie. Yes,

2296
01:52:43,453 --> 01:52:45,693
Speaker 2: I think this is very much by a design, so

2297
01:52:45,773 --> 01:52:48,653
Speaker 2: you're not the only one to notice that little connection.

2298
01:52:48,773 --> 01:52:50,213
Speaker 2: And if you like a bit of early Bowie, then

2299
01:52:50,213 --> 01:52:52,093
Speaker 2: you'll probably like a little bit of Pulp as well.

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01:52:52,173 --> 01:52:53,893
Speaker 2: So we'll pick out a good song to play in

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01:52:53,933 --> 01:52:56,693
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes. Right now, it is ten to twelve.

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01:52:56,973 --> 01:52:58,293
Speaker 2: You're with Jack Tame on New Stalks.

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01:52:58,333 --> 01:53:02,253
Speaker 1: He'd be a cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday

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01:53:02,293 --> 01:53:05,773
Speaker 1: mornings with Jack Day and vpwre dot Code. It's a

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01:53:05,853 --> 01:53:08,013
Speaker 1: high quality supplements news talks 'b.

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01:53:08,253 --> 01:53:10,133
Speaker 2: So I've done a quick scan of the country. The

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01:53:10,173 --> 01:53:11,853
Speaker 2: good news is that the weather is slightly warmer that

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01:53:11,933 --> 01:53:14,333
Speaker 2: it was earlier on today, which is no great surprise.

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01:53:14,413 --> 01:53:17,693
Speaker 2: But it looks like the peak low. We say that

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01:53:17,773 --> 01:53:22,613
Speaker 2: the lowest the peak low, the coldest temperature recorded overnight.

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01:53:22,653 --> 01:53:25,133
Speaker 2: We're at Duneedan Airport and Techaport, so they both got

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01:53:25,173 --> 01:53:26,853
Speaker 2: down to minus five. We had a couple of texts

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01:53:26,853 --> 01:53:29,653
Speaker 2: from Techaporn and Lake Techapore this morning people who are

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01:53:29,733 --> 01:53:33,173
Speaker 2: snowed in there. I think the three christ Church got

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01:53:33,253 --> 01:53:36,413
Speaker 2: down to minus one overnight, but obviously the cold weather

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01:53:36,573 --> 01:53:38,373
Speaker 2: is continuing. They've had a few people needed to be

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01:53:38,453 --> 01:53:41,413
Speaker 2: plucked out of their cars after being stranded in the snow.

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01:53:41,973 --> 01:53:45,213
Speaker 2: And of course those cook Straight sailings Fiery sailings have

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01:53:45,333 --> 01:53:48,813
Speaker 2: been canceled because of some big swells in cook Straight

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Speaker 2: as well. So anyway, the News Talk ZB newsroom team

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01:53:52,053 --> 01:53:53,373
Speaker 2: is going to make sure they keep you up to

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01:53:53,413 --> 01:53:56,573
Speaker 2: speed with the very latest with the wild weather around

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01:53:56,613 --> 01:53:58,653
Speaker 2: the country. This afternoon, Jason Pine is going to be

2324
01:53:58,693 --> 01:54:01,253
Speaker 2: in the hot seat the award winning broadcast to Jason

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01:54:01,293 --> 01:54:04,853
Speaker 2: Pine is here for weekend Sport this afternoon with the

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01:54:04,973 --> 01:54:08,853
Speaker 2: brand new coach of the Black Cabs. For us though,

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01:54:09,013 --> 01:54:11,413
Speaker 2: that is our time together this Saturday morning. Thank you

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01:54:11,493 --> 01:54:13,773
Speaker 2: so much for all of your texts and your emails

2329
01:54:14,053 --> 01:54:17,173
Speaker 2: to my wonderful producer Libby for doing all of the

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01:54:17,333 --> 01:54:21,493
Speaker 2: organizational and button pushing stuff. You can go to news SOKS, dB, dot,

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01:54:21,533 --> 01:54:23,613
Speaker 2: CODA and dead for everything from our show. I'm back

2332
01:54:23,693 --> 01:54:26,773
Speaker 2: next Saturday morning from nine until then, though, we are

2333
01:54:26,813 --> 01:54:30,093
Speaker 2: gonna leave you with Pulp. Their brand new album is

2334
01:54:30,213 --> 01:54:34,093
Speaker 2: called More and this song is called Spike Island. See

2335
01:54:34,133 --> 01:54:34,813
Speaker 2: you next week.

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01:54:59,653 --> 01:55:00,333
Speaker 14: As GM.

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01:55:02,213 --> 01:55:03,413
Speaker 15: Selling the rights.

2338
01:55:04,813 --> 01:55:05,973
Speaker 2: And try not to.

2339
01:55:06,573 --> 01:55:10,173
Speaker 3: In my life, I was conforming to a cosmic design.

2340
01:55:10,213 --> 01:55:13,253
Speaker 6: I was playing to time until I walked back.

2341
01:55:13,093 --> 01:55:16,173
Speaker 3: To the garden, all sleeping life I.

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01:55:16,373 --> 01:55:18,893
Speaker 2: Was to perform.

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Speaker 14: It's the course.

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Speaker 20: I existed, stleaders shouting and pour.

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Speaker 26: Into bad Way, badnywhere.

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Speaker 2: No one will ever understand it.

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Speaker 20: And no one will ever have the last word, because

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Speaker 20: it's not saying he would ever say.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 14: Swift I think know what did It's just.

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Speaker 2: That this could be.

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Speaker 14: And that where it's by going way, time getting home

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