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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf

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Speaker 1: Camp from US talks at B. Whether you're painting the ceiling,

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Speaker 1: fixing the fence, or wondering how to fix that hole

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Speaker 1: The Resident Builder on US talks at B.

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Speaker 2: A house sizzle even when it's dark, even when the

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Speaker 3: When a dog is.

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Speaker 4: Too old to barn, And when you're sitting at the

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Speaker 2: Sissor home, even when we are benn even when you're

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Speaker 4: Even when there's ghost even when you go around from

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Speaker 4: the ones you love your most.

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Speaker 2: Scream does broken paints a peel in front of locals,

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Speaker 4: House, even when wilban, even when you're alone.

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Speaker 2: Well, very good morning and welcome along to the Resident

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Speaker 2: Builder on Sunday. You're with me pet off Camp, the

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Speaker 2: Resident Builder, and this is your opportunity to talk about

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Speaker 2: all things building and construction, whether it's the inevitable maintenance,

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Speaker 2: that continual care and upkeep that we need to do

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Speaker 2: on our houses to keep them. And I was going

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Speaker 2: to say peak condition to be fair, even just to

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Speaker 2: keep them in reasonable condition takes a fair amount of work.

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Speaker 2: So if you've got a task that you are thinking

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Speaker 2: it's the classic I've started something and I didn't think

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Speaker 2: sure that I really knew where I thought I needed

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Speaker 2: to be and how I was going to get there.

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Speaker 2: But now I've got I don't know, a hole in

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Speaker 2: the wall or a bit of something missing, or I've

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Speaker 2: started something and I can't figure it out. Well, give

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Speaker 2: me a call. We'll work through it together. Oh, eight

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Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. You

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Speaker 2: can text, of course, which is nine two nine two

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Speaker 2: is ZEDBZB from your mobile phone. And if you'd like

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Speaker 2: to email me, as Mike just did this morning, you're

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Speaker 2: more than welcome to do exactly that. It is Pete

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Speaker 2: at newstalksb dot co dot nz. So trust you've had

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Speaker 2: a good week. We're into the jim. As we exchange pleasantries,

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Speaker 2: let's say, for thirty seconds or so while swapping over

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Speaker 2: week is daylight saving, which suddenly gets us into that

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Speaker 2: space where we're going, Oh, maybe I can do a

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Speaker 2: little bit of work in the evenings, maybe when I

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Speaker 2: bit more time. Things are certainly warming up, the blossoms

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Speaker 2: are out, and we'll be talking to Rid all about

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Speaker 2: things in the garden from eight thirty this morning. But

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Speaker 2: it does just the beginning of that sense of right

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Speaker 2: outdoor season is with us again soon. So eight hundred

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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. If you've got a project that's underway,

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Speaker 2: or a task that you would like to do, or

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Speaker 2: some options there in terms of discussing all things building

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Speaker 2: and construction. Just looking back through my notes last week

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Speaker 2: on the program, of course we had Chris Penk the

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Speaker 2: Minister was very generous with his time. He said to

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Speaker 2: and I saw that later on the day. It's a

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Speaker 2: Nelson home show yesterday. Neck Smith, former member of Parliament

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Speaker 2: It's quite nice when you go to a home show

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Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We're talking all things

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Speaker 2: very good morning to you, Kate.

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Speaker 5: Pete Kay, I'm well thanks. Can you hear me?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I can absolutely How can help.

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Speaker 5: Completion of a seventy three square meter that has Jim

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Speaker 5: Brown's bay on piles. It's just past final I'm about

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Speaker 5: to submit for CCC today. So I was told it

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Speaker 5: would be smart to put some steel walls goldilocks type

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Speaker 5: What's your opinion of that to stop rats going in?

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Speaker 6: Oh, I haven't heard anything.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, they don't have any rats yet.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, I'm not sure that I don't think that I've

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Speaker 2: Certainly councils. So you've had your final inspection? Yes, excellent, okay,

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Speaker 2: I mean as part of that, like, all penetrations in

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Speaker 2: go through the flooring, then you would expect either a

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Speaker 2: round it to seal that both in terms of stopping

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Speaker 2: guess in areas where that hasn't been done, or if

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Speaker 2: potentially you could use some I mean over time, the

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Speaker 2: steel will will rust. That would be my yeah, because

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Speaker 2: I mean you can get those stainless steel sort of

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Speaker 5: Of yeah, stainless steel scouring path.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would work.

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Speaker 2: To be fair, I've never heard of it before, never

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Speaker 2: thought of doing it myself, but I can't see how

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Speaker 5: Maybe maybe it's more popular in older properties because my

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Speaker 5: was going to do it as well, and you know,

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Speaker 5: Maybe he did, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's pretty typical practice now, so, I mean

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Speaker 2: at all. So you want to prevent that text just

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Speaker 2: came through. Actually, yes, we had a rat get through

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Speaker 2: a pipe hole of around two centimeters, so only a

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Speaker 2: is good. It also helps in terms of air tightness,

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Speaker 2: and I know that that might not make a significant

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Speaker 2: difference in the overall performance of the building, but stopping

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Speaker 2: all of those gaps and cracks that allow air to

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Speaker 2: a good thing. So if you can seal it, it's

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Speaker 2: a great idea someone else has used, like expanding foam.

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Speaker 2: You've got to be a little bit careful with that

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Speaker 2: that you're not putting too much in or you certainly

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Speaker 2: can't do that around electrical cables without protecting the cable.

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Speaker 2: But in your case, yeah, it's a good idea. Or

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Speaker 2: you could use some expanding foam, or you could use

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Speaker 2: a decent bead of silicon, anything like that. But sealing

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Speaker 5: Okay, So that actually brings me to my next question.

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Speaker 5: Is I've got the insulation which has been which met

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Speaker 5: the code, and is I think ten sendimeters away from

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Speaker 5: the pipes. But I'm finding little bits of insulation on

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Speaker 5: quite easily, right, But would birds be getting under there

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Speaker 5: or is it just drifting off? And should I put

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Speaker 5: some fiber cement board or some thick policy or something

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Speaker 5: staples to the joist to stop that just sort of

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Speaker 5: blowing in the wind because there's quite a bit of

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Speaker 5: draft that goes under there.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes there is quite a lot of draft underneath there.

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Speaker 2: It can be so and look, there's actually an upside

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Speaker 2: to that. So in terms of ventilation and subfloor spaces,

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Speaker 2: lots of our subfloor spaces are so enclosed that there's

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Speaker 2: actually very little airflow, which means that they don't ventilate

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Speaker 2: particularly well obviously, which means they also don't dry out.

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Speaker 2: So there is an upside to that. But if the

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Speaker 2: air is moving around it's such a rate underneath the

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Speaker 2: house that it's causing the insulation to move, then yes,

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Speaker 2: you'd want to do something about that. The other thing

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Speaker 2: needs to be still. So if your underfloor insulation has

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Speaker 2: got lots of wind passing through it and around it,

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Speaker 2: it will actually be theoretically less effective than if it

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Speaker 2: was in a still space. When you say bits of

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Speaker 2: insulation sort of dropping down, you're seeing them. Is you

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Speaker 2: don't think that's just sort of left over from the

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Speaker 2: installation itself, or do you think that there would be something,

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Speaker 2: you know, some activity, something is degrading, or something is

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Speaker 2: pulling at it.

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Speaker 5: I think it was installed in November. Well, then they

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Speaker 5: put a little bit more into meat the inspection needs,

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Speaker 5: so it might be a little bit some just leftover. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: but I'm just worried that it is exposed and we

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Speaker 5: could birds get in there.

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Speaker 2: Which is green stuff. Yeah, okay, well that won't degrade,

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Speaker 2: which is great. So it's not like the material itself

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Speaker 2: is degrading. Whether there was some loose pieces that have

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Speaker 2: sort of blown out subsequently, that's possible because the green

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Speaker 2: stuff is quite firm for the underfloor. Is it like

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Speaker 2: a roll and that it's staple to the joists on

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Speaker 2: either side?

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Speaker 5: It's white, it's not it's cold. Green stuff cocoon underfloor,

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Speaker 5: but it's white or just tale cocoon.

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Speaker 2: Under floor and slaves by green stuff. Okay, oh brilliant, yep,

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Speaker 2: I know it.

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Speaker 7: I mean.

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Speaker 2: I have seen instances where what people do is they

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Speaker 2: they'll actually put like a not a vapor barrier. Because

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Speaker 2: have you done a vapor barrier on the ground as well?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 5: No, because it's just it's just so open. Should I.

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Speaker 2: There are advantages to it. I mean, the fact that

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Speaker 2: you've got lots of airflow possibly mistigates some of those advantages.

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Speaker 2: But generally it's recommended, and interestingly enough, of course it

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Speaker 2: is required if for a rental property, so in an

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Speaker 2: accessible subfloor space, you must have a vapor barrier. If

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Speaker 2: it's going to qualify for healthy homes, it's.

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Speaker 5: On a sub floor, it's on a flood chain. Rather

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Speaker 5: so if it should rain flood floods from my little creek,

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Speaker 5: I've been told by the council leave it open. So

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Speaker 5: I'm just going to plant some star jazzing around it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, this is fantastic. So apparently the steel wall thing,

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Speaker 2: underneath the house and you're just trying to get the

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Speaker 2: job done. That moment's in attention can be fatal in

432
00:25:46,535 --> 00:25:48,975
Speaker 2: this instance. So the warning is real. Oh eight hundred

433
00:25:49,055 --> 00:25:51,615
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is that number to call. We'll talk

434
00:25:51,695 --> 00:25:53,735
Speaker 2: to Simon after the break, will be with you in

435
00:25:53,935 --> 00:25:54,735
Speaker 2: just a moment.

436
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Speaker 1: Helping you get those DIY projects done right. The resident

437
00:25:58,935 --> 00:26:02,575
Speaker 1: builder with Peter Wolfcat call oh eight hundred eighty youth

438
00:26:02,615 --> 00:26:03,175
Speaker 1: talk ZDB.

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Speaker 2: It's this thing about Helen's question around you know eve's

440
00:26:07,375 --> 00:26:09,975
Speaker 2: and you know, are they a good thing on a house?

441
00:26:12,175 --> 00:26:15,295
Speaker 2: And it's not a I can't bring myself to say

442
00:26:15,495 --> 00:26:19,535
Speaker 2: it's a really simple yes no, But certainly there are

443
00:26:19,655 --> 00:26:22,935
Speaker 2: massive advantages I think of having them. And in terms

444
00:26:22,975 --> 00:26:26,975
Speaker 2: of so much discussion over last summer around shading and

445
00:26:27,055 --> 00:26:30,855
Speaker 2: so on, that houses are overheating in some cases because

446
00:26:30,895 --> 00:26:34,975
Speaker 2: we're not thinking about their orientation, the amount of windows

447
00:26:35,055 --> 00:26:39,695
Speaker 2: perhaps facing to the north northwest and the potential for overheating,

448
00:26:39,735 --> 00:26:43,815
Speaker 2: and again, you know, eves can be part of that.

449
00:26:43,895 --> 00:26:46,095
Speaker 2: Certainly shading as part of design is going to be

450
00:26:46,175 --> 00:26:48,415
Speaker 2: really really important. Had some of those conversations at the

451
00:26:48,455 --> 00:26:51,215
Speaker 2: Home show yesterday as well, which was awesome. Oh eight

452
00:26:51,335 --> 00:26:54,335
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty is Oh, I've got it. Sorry,

453
00:26:54,415 --> 00:26:58,895
Speaker 2: just hang on a second, signmon. I'm going to come

454
00:26:58,895 --> 00:27:01,055
Speaker 2: back to this text in a minute, but it's grabbed

455
00:27:01,095 --> 00:27:03,655
Speaker 2: my attention. Hey, Pete, We're wanting to build a single

456
00:27:03,695 --> 00:27:06,535
Speaker 2: level pavilion style house with a flat profile roof. Given

457
00:27:06,575 --> 00:27:08,775
Speaker 2: the new installation roof A rufer has said that this

458
00:27:08,935 --> 00:27:11,615
Speaker 2: is far more complicated now. Is there a system for

459
00:27:11,655 --> 00:27:17,775
Speaker 2: recommended solution or roof planning that works best? That's great.

460
00:27:17,815 --> 00:27:19,055
Speaker 2: I'm going to come back to that in the moment.

461
00:27:19,055 --> 00:27:20,295
Speaker 2: But simon, good morning to you.

462
00:27:20,295 --> 00:27:21,855
Speaker 9: Sir, Good morning Peter.

463
00:27:21,895 --> 00:27:23,335
Speaker 2: How are you not bad in yourself?

464
00:27:24,135 --> 00:27:24,335
Speaker 10: Yeah?

465
00:27:24,335 --> 00:27:26,135
Speaker 9: Good things. This might be a little bit off topic,

466
00:27:26,175 --> 00:27:28,615
Speaker 9: but my son is in the market for a new

467
00:27:28,655 --> 00:27:31,615
Speaker 9: house yep, or a house, and we went to open

468
00:27:31,655 --> 00:27:34,935
Speaker 9: home just last weekend and the oven had a guess

469
00:27:34,975 --> 00:27:38,575
Speaker 9: hob and the supply to the guess hob was by

470
00:27:38,655 --> 00:27:40,935
Speaker 9: way of a ten kg bottle in a cupboard right

471
00:27:40,975 --> 00:27:43,495
Speaker 9: next to the oven. Is that is that standard? Is

472
00:27:43,535 --> 00:27:46,175
Speaker 9: that does that comply? It looked like it was plumbed

473
00:27:46,215 --> 00:27:52,375
Speaker 9: in probably copper piet But my I see I see

474
00:27:52,415 --> 00:27:54,495
Speaker 9: two big guests. I was on the outside of a house.

475
00:27:55,415 --> 00:28:03,335
Speaker 2: That's right. So my understanding is that they should be external. Yeah,

476
00:28:03,615 --> 00:28:07,055
Speaker 2: And and certainly I've I've worked on houses twenty odd

477
00:28:07,135 --> 00:28:11,375
Speaker 2: years ago where that was not uncommon, you know, where

478
00:28:11,415 --> 00:28:14,655
Speaker 2: someone really wanted gas hobs but wasn't connected to mainz

479
00:28:14,735 --> 00:28:17,695
Speaker 2: and didn't need gas for anything more than just cooking, right,

480
00:28:18,535 --> 00:28:21,575
Speaker 2: And so a ten kg bottle is fine for that.

481
00:28:23,255 --> 00:28:27,695
Speaker 2: Undoubtedly I'll get a text from a gas fitter shortly

482
00:28:27,815 --> 00:28:30,895
Speaker 2: telling me whether or not that's true. But my understanding

483
00:28:30,975 --> 00:28:33,415
Speaker 2: is that it should now be external.

484
00:28:34,895 --> 00:28:35,295
Speaker 11: Okay.

485
00:28:36,375 --> 00:28:41,095
Speaker 9: Yeah, So in terms of like house insurance, it could

486
00:28:41,095 --> 00:28:41,735
Speaker 9: be a bit tricky.

487
00:28:42,495 --> 00:28:45,575
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean it would be you'd have a

488
00:28:45,655 --> 00:28:47,615
Speaker 2: duty to declare it, right, if you had a question

489
00:28:47,735 --> 00:28:50,895
Speaker 2: mark about it, you'd have a duty to declare. And

490
00:28:50,975 --> 00:28:53,095
Speaker 2: then the insurer might look at it and go, yeah,

491
00:28:53,175 --> 00:28:55,535
Speaker 2: that's not up to current rigs. And then I guess

492
00:28:55,535 --> 00:28:57,935
Speaker 2: you've got to think. I mean, it's not a terribly

493
00:28:57,935 --> 00:29:02,175
Speaker 2: difficult thing to change around. And for example, I remember

494
00:29:02,415 --> 00:29:04,695
Speaker 2: texting a made of mine who's a very very experienced

495
00:29:04,735 --> 00:29:07,255
Speaker 2: gas fitter, and I was at a house with a

496
00:29:07,295 --> 00:29:09,535
Speaker 2: friends of ours and it was the same thing, except

497
00:29:09,615 --> 00:29:11,895
Speaker 2: in this instance it was a ten kg bottle and

498
00:29:11,975 --> 00:29:14,775
Speaker 2: it was outside, and I was thinking, you know, and

499
00:29:14,855 --> 00:29:17,535
Speaker 2: it was within a certain distance of an opening window,

500
00:29:17,775 --> 00:29:19,895
Speaker 2: and there is a minimum requirement there, so if it

501
00:29:19,975 --> 00:29:22,375
Speaker 2: is external, it's got to be a certain distance away.

502
00:29:22,415 --> 00:29:24,375
Speaker 2: I think it's like one point five meters away from

503
00:29:24,415 --> 00:29:28,575
Speaker 2: an opening window, and in this instance it complied with that.

504
00:29:29,135 --> 00:29:31,415
Speaker 2: But it didn't have a cover on it, and I

505
00:29:31,455 --> 00:29:33,535
Speaker 2: wondered whether it needed to cover, and apparently it doesn't

506
00:29:33,575 --> 00:29:38,935
Speaker 2: need to cover, but it did need to be outside. Yeah,

507
00:29:39,375 --> 00:29:42,015
Speaker 2: stay listening, is my advice. I'm sure I'll get a

508
00:29:42,015 --> 00:29:45,815
Speaker 2: text in a minute from from out the gas fitters

509
00:29:45,855 --> 00:29:47,615
Speaker 2: that listened to the show. They're out there.

510
00:29:47,775 --> 00:29:52,015
Speaker 9: It just looked like, yeah, it's near, it's pretty close

511
00:29:52,055 --> 00:29:54,215
Speaker 9: to the heat source. And if the bottles leaks in

512
00:29:54,255 --> 00:29:56,695
Speaker 9: the night and there's no.

513
00:29:56,735 --> 00:29:59,255
Speaker 2: Ventilation, right, so you know, if there is a leak,

514
00:29:59,455 --> 00:30:03,055
Speaker 2: then that gas is contained. And you know, let's again

515
00:30:03,175 --> 00:30:07,255
Speaker 2: let's not underestimate the potential here, because there was a

516
00:30:07,295 --> 00:30:11,295
Speaker 2: tragic incident again within the last five years, where in

517
00:30:11,415 --> 00:30:14,015
Speaker 2: a in a sort of like a little granny flat

518
00:30:14,015 --> 00:30:17,655
Speaker 2: at the back of a property, someone had done you know,

519
00:30:17,735 --> 00:30:20,295
Speaker 2: had a gas installation similar to that, so a five

520
00:30:20,695 --> 00:30:24,935
Speaker 2: ten kg bottle feeding the gas hob There had obviously

521
00:30:25,015 --> 00:30:27,415
Speaker 2: been a leak, and what happened is when they opened

522
00:30:27,455 --> 00:30:31,495
Speaker 2: the door and turned on the light switch, the tiny

523
00:30:31,575 --> 00:30:34,015
Speaker 2: spark that happens sometimes when you turn on a light

524
00:30:34,055 --> 00:30:36,775
Speaker 2: switch was enough to ignite the gas and the building

525
00:30:36,815 --> 00:30:40,935
Speaker 2: blew up. So, yeah, the risks are real.

526
00:30:41,935 --> 00:30:44,095
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, stay listening.

527
00:30:44,095 --> 00:30:45,415
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll get an answer shortly.

528
00:30:45,895 --> 00:30:46,655
Speaker 9: Oh that'll be great.

529
00:30:46,695 --> 00:30:50,215
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, here we go, it's already there. Gas bottles

530
00:30:50,295 --> 00:30:55,335
Speaker 2: must be external simple as that are nice to talk.

531
00:30:55,455 --> 00:30:57,895
Speaker 2: Take care, simon, thank you your news talks. He'd be.

532
00:30:57,895 --> 00:31:00,255
Speaker 2: If you've got a question, hopefully I'll have an answer

533
00:31:00,375 --> 00:31:06,295
Speaker 2: or in some cases, you know, I'm not a registered electrician,

534
00:31:06,415 --> 00:31:09,575
Speaker 2: I'm not a registered guess, but a fair amount of

535
00:31:09,615 --> 00:31:12,135
Speaker 2: drainlaining funnily enough, and I'll have a I know, I

536
00:31:12,175 --> 00:31:13,735
Speaker 2: won't even say that I'm going to have a crack

537
00:31:13,775 --> 00:31:16,975
Speaker 2: at plumbing because that's registered work as well. But look,

538
00:31:17,095 --> 00:31:19,135
Speaker 2: over the years, I've had the opportunity of working with

539
00:31:19,215 --> 00:31:24,055
Speaker 2: lots of super experience and professional trades people in those areas,

540
00:31:25,055 --> 00:31:28,815
Speaker 2: so understand a reasonable amount of the compliance in that space.

541
00:31:29,495 --> 00:31:32,615
Speaker 2: I do want to address this thing around the single

542
00:31:32,655 --> 00:31:36,535
Speaker 2: level pavilion style house with a flat profile roof, given

543
00:31:36,575 --> 00:31:39,215
Speaker 2: the new installation rules. A roofer has said that this

544
00:31:39,375 --> 00:31:43,975
Speaker 2: is far more complicated now. Is there a system for

545
00:31:44,455 --> 00:31:47,375
Speaker 2: or recommended solution or roof cladding that works best from

546
00:31:47,415 --> 00:31:51,895
Speaker 2: phil look on a number of levels. I find that

547
00:31:52,055 --> 00:31:56,895
Speaker 2: just a really fascinating question in the sense that obviously

548
00:31:56,935 --> 00:32:01,735
Speaker 2: the roofer is aware that the insulation requirements for roofs

549
00:32:02,055 --> 00:32:06,135
Speaker 2: has changed, and that we're moving from the schedule method

550
00:32:06,335 --> 00:32:10,895
Speaker 2: to a modeling and calculation method. And also with essentially

551
00:32:10,935 --> 00:32:13,415
Speaker 2: a pavilion roof, so you're talking about a skillion roof, right,

552
00:32:13,455 --> 00:32:15,975
Speaker 2: it's going to be a roof that's not a conventional

553
00:32:16,015 --> 00:32:19,055
Speaker 2: trust where typically if you look at most houses that

554
00:32:19,095 --> 00:32:22,215
Speaker 2: have a trust roof, we build all of that and

555
00:32:22,335 --> 00:32:26,215
Speaker 2: then we spread some insulation around on top of the

556
00:32:26,255 --> 00:32:28,895
Speaker 2: bottom cords of the trusses, and that's how we do

557
00:32:28,975 --> 00:32:32,055
Speaker 2: our insulation. So if you've got a roof where perhaps

558
00:32:32,095 --> 00:32:35,015
Speaker 2: you've got rafters only and you need to insulate in there,

559
00:32:35,455 --> 00:32:38,135
Speaker 2: then you've got some issues around ventilation, and you've got

560
00:32:38,135 --> 00:32:42,815
Speaker 2: some issues around interstitular moisture control. So what happens to

561
00:32:42,895 --> 00:32:46,735
Speaker 2: moisture that rises as it does hits the ceiling and

562
00:32:46,815 --> 00:32:50,735
Speaker 2: then wants to penetrate and stay around inside that insulation.

563
00:32:51,215 --> 00:32:54,135
Speaker 2: Good news is phil is there is lots of really

564
00:32:54,135 --> 00:32:57,855
Speaker 2: good guidance now on how to create those roofs and

565
00:32:57,975 --> 00:33:01,535
Speaker 2: make sure that they stay dry and healthy and that

566
00:33:01,575 --> 00:33:05,095
Speaker 2: there's some ventilation, and most of the solutions to it

567
00:33:05,135 --> 00:33:10,575
Speaker 2: are actually not that complicated. Again, i'd for clarity of thought,

568
00:33:10,695 --> 00:33:13,775
Speaker 2: I'd direct you to the brand's website. There's lots of

569
00:33:13,775 --> 00:33:16,935
Speaker 2: really good information on there. I built a little ten

570
00:33:16,975 --> 00:33:19,415
Speaker 2: square metal cabin a couple of years ago that had

571
00:33:19,495 --> 00:33:22,695
Speaker 2: a skillion roof, so a mono pitch roof, and I

572
00:33:22,775 --> 00:33:25,255
Speaker 2: did all of the work that I needed to do

573
00:33:25,375 --> 00:33:28,575
Speaker 2: to make sure that that roof space stayed dry and

574
00:33:28,775 --> 00:33:32,375
Speaker 2: well ventilated. And really it was just an addition of

575
00:33:32,375 --> 00:33:34,455
Speaker 2: a vapor barrier to the top of the joists and

576
00:33:34,495 --> 00:33:38,855
Speaker 2: the underside of the rafters and underside with lots of

577
00:33:38,895 --> 00:33:42,935
Speaker 2: insulation and then some allowance for ventilation underneath the roofing

578
00:33:42,975 --> 00:33:48,215
Speaker 2: iron as well. So there are simple, simple solutions for that,

579
00:33:48,495 --> 00:33:51,135
Speaker 2: but they do require some thoughts so great that the

580
00:33:51,455 --> 00:33:54,735
Speaker 2: roofer your rufer is saying we need to consider this well,

581
00:33:55,015 --> 00:33:58,335
Speaker 2: but don't be dissuaded from doing it, because there are

582
00:33:58,575 --> 00:34:03,495
Speaker 2: some really good, straightforward solutions to achieve it. Oh and again,

583
00:34:03,695 --> 00:34:07,055
Speaker 2: really good information on the brand's website. The pro Climber

584
00:34:07,135 --> 00:34:10,335
Speaker 2: website probably has some really good cross sections and details

585
00:34:10,335 --> 00:34:12,615
Speaker 2: that you can look at as well, So there's plenty

586
00:34:12,615 --> 00:34:14,895
Speaker 2: of information out there. Good luck with that one, and

587
00:34:14,935 --> 00:34:17,895
Speaker 2: don't let it dissuade you from doing that type of roof.

588
00:34:17,935 --> 00:34:20,695
Speaker 2: It sounds really cool. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty

589
00:34:24,615 --> 00:34:26,815
Speaker 2: gas heater bottles are not external, they sit at the

590
00:34:26,855 --> 00:34:32,775
Speaker 2: back of the heater. Yeah, but I don't like the

591
00:34:32,815 --> 00:34:35,855
Speaker 2: idea of having unfluid gas heaters inside a house either.

592
00:34:36,695 --> 00:34:40,775
Speaker 2: I think they're a poor idea. I'm genuinely surprised that

593
00:34:40,775 --> 00:34:44,335
Speaker 2: we still allow them, and certainly, if I'm doing sort

594
00:34:44,335 --> 00:34:46,935
Speaker 2: of a looking through a house for a friends beforehand,

595
00:34:46,975 --> 00:34:50,215
Speaker 2: if there's unfluid gas heaters, I strongly recommend that you

596
00:34:50,775 --> 00:34:57,135
Speaker 2: remove them, not because they're unsafe, but that you should

597
00:34:56,895 --> 00:35:01,815
Speaker 2: they The impact of running an unfluid gas heater on

598
00:35:01,855 --> 00:35:05,415
Speaker 2: a house is just tremendous amounts of moisture inside the house,

599
00:35:05,415 --> 00:35:08,975
Speaker 2: So not a good I eight the number to call Dave.

600
00:35:09,015 --> 00:35:13,015
Speaker 2: Good morning, sir, Good morning, Peter, Peter.

601
00:35:13,335 --> 00:35:16,255
Speaker 11: I had a an a part small apartment block with

602
00:35:16,615 --> 00:35:22,215
Speaker 11: four apartments built and three years ago and there's a

603
00:35:22,335 --> 00:35:27,855
Speaker 11: leak developed between two of the apartments. Basically, water was

604
00:35:27,895 --> 00:35:31,215
Speaker 11: pouring out of the light fitting s the whole plumber

605
00:35:30,695 --> 00:35:35,695
Speaker 11: the traced it to a leak from the apartment above

606
00:35:36,015 --> 00:35:40,695
Speaker 11: coming from the waist of the vanity, which was good

607
00:35:40,735 --> 00:35:44,095
Speaker 11: because we were able to stop it and not using it.

608
00:35:44,455 --> 00:35:48,775
Speaker 11: But unfortunately the plumber can't get access to the leak

609
00:35:48,855 --> 00:35:56,535
Speaker 11: because it's between the two floors. So I got hold

610
00:35:56,575 --> 00:35:58,215
Speaker 11: of the builder of well, I got hold of the

611
00:35:58,215 --> 00:36:02,375
Speaker 11: plumber initially that built, that did the plumbing and the property,

612
00:36:02,455 --> 00:36:04,775
Speaker 11: and he said, no, here was a twelve year warranty

613
00:36:04,855 --> 00:36:06,295
Speaker 11: on his work, twelve.

614
00:36:06,775 --> 00:36:10,095
Speaker 2: Month twelve month warranty on this work, and.

615
00:36:10,055 --> 00:36:11,735
Speaker 11: He wasn't going to have a bar of it because

616
00:36:11,775 --> 00:36:16,495
Speaker 11: he's basically saying that the whole floor in the bathroom

617
00:36:16,535 --> 00:36:20,055
Speaker 11: needs to be lifted. It's a tile floor with a

618
00:36:20,095 --> 00:36:23,815
Speaker 11: heating system, just to get at it. And I've got

619
00:36:23,895 --> 00:36:26,015
Speaker 11: hold of the builder, I said, what about under the

620
00:36:26,015 --> 00:36:28,895
Speaker 11: building ten year warrant? I'm just wondering where I would sit.

621
00:36:30,735 --> 00:36:32,335
Speaker 2: I think, by the sound of it, and given the

622
00:36:32,455 --> 00:36:37,375
Speaker 2: complexity and given the potential dollars involved, I would think

623
00:36:37,455 --> 00:36:39,895
Speaker 2: you'd be straight off to your lawyer on Monday morning

624
00:36:40,935 --> 00:36:45,375
Speaker 2: to get you know, the actual proper information from a

625
00:36:45,415 --> 00:36:47,775
Speaker 2: legal point of view as to what you can enforce.

626
00:36:48,415 --> 00:36:51,335
Speaker 2: I can't imagine that the plumber's got that much ground

627
00:36:51,335 --> 00:36:53,935
Speaker 2: to stand on saying, hey, look, I only warranty my

628
00:36:53,975 --> 00:36:57,615
Speaker 2: work for twelve months. I mean, you know, pipework like that,

629
00:36:58,935 --> 00:37:01,575
Speaker 2: and in that situation where it's high risk, right because

630
00:37:01,575 --> 00:37:03,815
Speaker 2: the risk of failure is that it impacts on an

631
00:37:03,815 --> 00:37:08,055
Speaker 2: adjoining property. I would have thought that just saying, honor,

632
00:37:08,095 --> 00:37:10,375
Speaker 2: I only warranty my work for twelve months isn't going

633
00:37:10,415 --> 00:37:14,135
Speaker 2: to cut it, right. It's it's the sort of response

634
00:37:14,215 --> 00:37:16,255
Speaker 2: you give in the hope that nobody knows what you're

635
00:37:16,255 --> 00:37:19,415
Speaker 2: talk they're talking about and will accept that. So I

636
00:37:19,455 --> 00:37:20,975
Speaker 2: wouldn't accept it to be blunt.

637
00:37:22,135 --> 00:37:25,415
Speaker 11: And under the Building Act, the teen year Build New

638
00:37:25,455 --> 00:37:30,095
Speaker 11: Build of warranties that that which really covers structural that

639
00:37:30,095 --> 00:37:31,055
Speaker 11: that would have been covered.

640
00:37:31,935 --> 00:37:36,735
Speaker 2: And I would have thought so too, So I wouldn't

641
00:37:36,775 --> 00:37:39,375
Speaker 2: let that slide. I would be checking and I would

642
00:37:39,375 --> 00:37:42,215
Speaker 2: be going to my lawyer and I'd be getting because

643
00:37:42,255 --> 00:37:44,815
Speaker 2: obviously there's there's damage right as a result of this,

644
00:37:44,975 --> 00:37:49,695
Speaker 2: so the claim, you know, the claim is going to

645
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Speaker 2: be quite large, and I just from a practical point

646
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Speaker 2: of view, I'm actually wondering whether is your pathway to

647
00:37:56,415 --> 00:37:59,695
Speaker 2: fixing this going to be easier to go through the

648
00:37:59,775 --> 00:38:03,215
Speaker 2: property below, through the ceiling below, and.

649
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Speaker 11: Trying to do that. Unfortunately, the property was under management

650
00:38:08,255 --> 00:38:12,975
Speaker 11: and the manager called an other plumber yep, who called

651
00:38:13,015 --> 00:38:15,575
Speaker 11: him after ours. His call out Jadge was two hundred

652
00:38:15,615 --> 00:38:19,175
Speaker 11: and fifty dollars just a year. Yeah, you know, it

653
00:38:19,215 --> 00:38:22,255
Speaker 11: was terrible. He never found it, but he did locate

654
00:38:22,295 --> 00:38:24,135
Speaker 11: that it was between the walls and said no, he

655
00:38:24,655 --> 00:38:27,975
Speaker 11: couldn't get at it through the ceiling of the unit below.

656
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, And I mean this is it timber floor,

657
00:38:33,015 --> 00:38:38,695
Speaker 2: a concrete floor. Concrete concrete floor shivers. So even taking

658
00:38:38,775 --> 00:38:42,335
Speaker 2: up the tiles, you're not realistically you're not going to

659
00:38:42,335 --> 00:38:44,295
Speaker 2: be able to cut through a concrete floor of an

660
00:38:44,295 --> 00:38:46,895
Speaker 2: exist well unlikely that you could cut through the concrete

661
00:38:46,895 --> 00:38:49,135
Speaker 2: floor of an existing building to get to the plumbing,

662
00:38:50,735 --> 00:38:54,375
Speaker 2: because you're cutting through, you know, a critical element of

663
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Speaker 2: the building. Structure. So I think you are looking at

664
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Speaker 2: going in through the underside and look, you must know

665
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Speaker 2: that all of this is going to be in the

666
00:39:05,815 --> 00:39:11,215
Speaker 2: tens of thousands of dollars to repair. Yeah, yeah, I

667
00:39:11,255 --> 00:39:13,455
Speaker 2: think on the phone to your lawyer tomorrow is the

668
00:39:13,535 --> 00:39:17,895
Speaker 2: best bet. All right, not good news, but I hear

669
00:39:17,895 --> 00:39:22,415
Speaker 2: what you're saying, good luck, take care. By then, having

670
00:39:22,455 --> 00:39:26,135
Speaker 2: been involved in at least one four story multi level

671
00:39:26,255 --> 00:39:29,815
Speaker 2: dwelling where you've got living spaces above each other or

672
00:39:29,975 --> 00:39:32,975
Speaker 2: you know, independent units above each other, I mean that

673
00:39:33,055 --> 00:39:35,375
Speaker 2: that's what you live in fear of radio boo back

674
00:39:35,375 --> 00:39:39,455
Speaker 2: in the moment measure God was but maybe call feede

675
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Speaker 2: first video Wolvescap the resident builder. News Talk said, be

676
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Speaker 2: your news Talks said, be. Look some great stuff around

677
00:39:47,175 --> 00:39:51,415
Speaker 2: this the roof. Right, So on the skill and roof design,

678
00:39:52,415 --> 00:39:55,775
Speaker 2: I go for extra deep rafters, but also add cassellated

679
00:39:55,775 --> 00:39:58,255
Speaker 2: batons to the top of the rafters under the parlins

680
00:39:58,615 --> 00:40:01,535
Speaker 2: for extra depth and airflow. The main thing is maintaining

681
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Speaker 2: good gap between the insulation and the underside of the perlins.

682
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Speaker 2: Cheers from Steve. Absolutely right. There's there's like I would

683
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Speaker 2: do something similar or I did something similar when I

684
00:40:11,735 --> 00:40:15,695
Speaker 2: built this little cabin. So I had my essentially six

685
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Speaker 2: to two jframe rafters, so lvl rafters. I had an

686
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Speaker 2: intallow mento building membrane over the top, and then I

687
00:40:27,255 --> 00:40:31,335
Speaker 2: put battons that ran with my rafters. So packed my

688
00:40:31,455 --> 00:40:34,695
Speaker 2: pearlins up by twenty mil, which allowed for airflow right

689
00:40:34,775 --> 00:40:37,335
Speaker 2: unimpeded airflow from the bottom of the roof to the

690
00:40:37,335 --> 00:40:40,135
Speaker 2: top of the roof, and then Perlin's on. And then

691
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Speaker 2: you still need to protect the perlin from the underside

692
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Speaker 2: of the iron, so I just put DPC there and

693
00:40:46,375 --> 00:40:48,815
Speaker 2: then put my iron on. Typically you've got iron with

694
00:40:49,175 --> 00:40:51,895
Speaker 2: building or roofing underlay underneath it, but in this case

695
00:40:51,935 --> 00:40:54,575
Speaker 2: my roofing underlay was on top of the rafters, and

696
00:40:54,615 --> 00:40:57,135
Speaker 2: then on the underside of the rafters. I used another

697
00:40:57,215 --> 00:41:01,975
Speaker 2: proclimate Intallo wrap that provides some control about moisture. Then

698
00:41:01,975 --> 00:41:05,055
Speaker 2: I had my batons, then I had my ceiling. That's

699
00:41:05,775 --> 00:41:08,935
Speaker 2: basically the best way of doing it is in my opinion.

700
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Speaker 2: There are other ways of doing it, but that's not

701
00:41:10,535 --> 00:41:12,415
Speaker 2: a bad way as well. Lots of detail on the

702
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Speaker 2: brand's website, which is awesome.

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Speaker 1: We're back after the news viewing of the house extorting

704
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Speaker 1: the guard and asked Pete for a hand. The Resident

705
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Speaker 1: Builder with Peter Wolfcamp called eight news talks.

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00:41:23,895 --> 00:41:26,575
Speaker 2: That'd be your news talks'd be welcome back to the show.

707
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Speaker 2: My name's Pete wolf Camp, the Resident Builder, and this

708
00:41:29,215 --> 00:41:32,775
Speaker 2: is our show all about building, right about actually making stuff,

709
00:41:32,815 --> 00:41:36,695
Speaker 2: getting out there, doing something, getting it done. And already

710
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Speaker 2: on the program we're talking about actually something that I've learned.

711
00:41:41,815 --> 00:41:43,775
Speaker 2: And actually this is one of the great things about

712
00:41:43,775 --> 00:41:46,935
Speaker 2: the show as well. I get to learn stuff. I

713
00:41:47,015 --> 00:41:49,495
Speaker 2: get to to find out or go and research or

714
00:41:49,575 --> 00:41:54,415
Speaker 2: hear from you about new ways of undertaking tasks of

715
00:41:54,455 --> 00:41:59,215
Speaker 2: achieving the right outcome. So using stainless steel pot scourers

716
00:41:59,255 --> 00:42:03,255
Speaker 2: or scrubbing pads as a way of sort of reinforcing

717
00:42:03,335 --> 00:42:06,335
Speaker 2: or plugging gaps around penetration. So you know, if you

718
00:42:06,415 --> 00:42:09,495
Speaker 2: have done a renovation, you've added changed the kitchen, let's say,

719
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Speaker 2: and you put a new kitchen waste in. So you're

720
00:42:11,375 --> 00:42:13,895
Speaker 2: the pipe going down through the floor. What do you

721
00:42:13,935 --> 00:42:16,175
Speaker 2: do to seal around that? Well, typically today you get

722
00:42:16,175 --> 00:42:18,335
Speaker 2: those plastic flanges and you put that round and maybe

723
00:42:18,375 --> 00:42:20,015
Speaker 2: bet it down with a bit of silicon, which is

724
00:42:20,095 --> 00:42:23,455
Speaker 2: good practice, but in some cases where maybe that hasn't

725
00:42:23,455 --> 00:42:25,455
Speaker 2: been done, and you're crawling around underneath the house and

726
00:42:25,455 --> 00:42:27,415
Speaker 2: you see all these penetrations, you're thinking, what do I

727
00:42:27,455 --> 00:42:30,295
Speaker 2: do to stop mice from getting in around there? Well,

728
00:42:31,335 --> 00:42:35,655
Speaker 2: stainless steel scarring pads, so apparently the mice will eat

729
00:42:35,735 --> 00:42:38,935
Speaker 2: through foam, for example, They probably won't chew through silicon,

730
00:42:39,295 --> 00:42:41,175
Speaker 2: but if it's a big gap, it's an awful lot

731
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Speaker 2: of silicon that you might need to use in there.

732
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Speaker 2: So stainless steel scarring pads didn't know about it. Apparently

733
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Speaker 2: it's a thing, even including our correspondent from Alberta, Canada,

734
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Speaker 2: who sent me an email this morning as well. So

735
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Speaker 2: interestingly the show has some international reach, as many of

736
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Speaker 2: our news ZB shows do. The other discussion point has

737
00:43:03,735 --> 00:43:07,255
Speaker 2: been around skillion roofs and the correct of make up

738
00:43:07,295 --> 00:43:10,495
Speaker 2: for them, the correct way in which to build them.

739
00:43:10,935 --> 00:43:14,215
Speaker 2: If you're thinking about protecting the insulation and ensuring that

740
00:43:14,255 --> 00:43:19,375
Speaker 2: the insulation performs well and that moisture is controlled, airflowers control, etc.

741
00:43:19,695 --> 00:43:24,295
Speaker 2: Inside that space, it's not actually about well, it's partly

742
00:43:24,295 --> 00:43:28,095
Speaker 2: about how you build it, as in rafters, nogging, perlins, etc.

743
00:43:28,455 --> 00:43:31,695
Speaker 2: But it's also the composition of all of the elements

744
00:43:31,735 --> 00:43:35,855
Speaker 2: that go into making that a really good space. And

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Speaker 2: I mentioned a couple of times the brand's website, particularly

746
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Speaker 2: because it's independent and I've been down there. I know,

747
00:43:47,215 --> 00:43:48,775
Speaker 2: I've met with a couple of the people that work

748
00:43:48,855 --> 00:43:53,295
Speaker 2: down there phenomenally. I mean I went down to be

749
00:43:53,335 --> 00:43:56,615
Speaker 2: fair and had to walk around, and then anyone that

750
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Speaker 2: I met and that I wanted to ask a question

751
00:43:58,895 --> 00:44:01,855
Speaker 2: about any particular part of the building envelope or anything

752
00:44:01,895 --> 00:44:05,135
Speaker 2: related really to construction and building, chances are the person

753
00:44:05,215 --> 00:44:08,375
Speaker 2: you were talking to you had to pa, which was awesome.

754
00:44:09,455 --> 00:44:12,855
Speaker 2: So in terms of like looking for a build up

755
00:44:13,135 --> 00:44:16,575
Speaker 2: and detail around how you can create a skillion roof

756
00:44:17,055 --> 00:44:21,415
Speaker 2: in such a way that you're regulating moisture and airflow

757
00:44:21,535 --> 00:44:25,735
Speaker 2: and so on, lots of really good installation and information

758
00:44:25,855 --> 00:44:28,815
Speaker 2: rather on the brand's website, and I did a quick

759
00:44:28,855 --> 00:44:32,935
Speaker 2: Google search during the break and really good information. They're

760
00:44:33,815 --> 00:44:40,295
Speaker 2: really clear detailed cross sections as well, so you can

761
00:44:40,295 --> 00:44:43,575
Speaker 2: get an idea of how you can build these things well.

762
00:44:44,015 --> 00:44:46,375
Speaker 2: And that's the important thing. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty,

763
00:44:46,415 --> 00:44:48,575
Speaker 2: So we're talking about that. We talked about gas bottles

764
00:44:48,655 --> 00:44:53,535
Speaker 2: and heating and eves are good thing and it should

765
00:44:53,575 --> 00:44:56,415
Speaker 2: be a really simple question. But it's it is and

766
00:44:56,455 --> 00:45:01,255
Speaker 2: it isn't. At the same time, brands are on a

767
00:45:01,335 --> 00:45:05,175
Speaker 2: hiding to nothing a Paul, guys, So this text from Paul.

768
00:45:05,295 --> 00:45:08,935
Speaker 2: Didn't brands approve the use of untreated timber and houses

769
00:45:08,975 --> 00:45:12,535
Speaker 2: prior to resulting in the leaky homes building crisis? No, Paul,

770
00:45:12,615 --> 00:45:18,535
Speaker 2: they did not. So simple answer, No they did not.

771
00:45:19,495 --> 00:45:21,735
Speaker 2: I think when you drill down into it, what you

772
00:45:21,815 --> 00:45:24,015
Speaker 2: might find is actually brands were a big part of

773
00:45:24,055 --> 00:45:26,575
Speaker 2: figuring out what went wrong and how we might fix it.

774
00:45:27,695 --> 00:45:32,015
Speaker 2: Certainly that was not their decision alone to approve the

775
00:45:32,135 --> 00:45:37,935
Speaker 2: use of untreated timber. Radio text as well, had a

776
00:45:37,975 --> 00:45:40,095
Speaker 2: new shed built? How much of the electrical can I do?

777
00:45:40,135 --> 00:45:43,255
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about running the cable? Is it okay? Can

778
00:45:43,295 --> 00:45:47,895
Speaker 2: I connect the plugs and lights? No? No, you can't,

779
00:45:48,215 --> 00:45:53,575
Speaker 2: as the simple answer, and to be fair, you'd have

780
00:45:53,655 --> 00:45:58,375
Speaker 2: to be pretty confident about what you want to do

781
00:45:58,415 --> 00:46:02,735
Speaker 2: in terms of running cables to ensure that you're doing

782
00:46:02,735 --> 00:46:04,535
Speaker 2: that bit of it right as well, and that the

783
00:46:04,615 --> 00:46:06,815
Speaker 2: right ones are going to the right places, you using

784
00:46:06,855 --> 00:46:09,095
Speaker 2: the right type of cable, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

785
00:46:09,935 --> 00:46:14,615
Speaker 2: So I think as a general thing. Leave the electrical

786
00:46:14,655 --> 00:46:20,255
Speaker 2: work to the registered electricians. My observations around the novel

787
00:46:20,335 --> 00:46:22,695
Speaker 2: use of the pot scours probably arose because most male

788
00:46:22,775 --> 00:46:25,015
Speaker 2: trades didn't know that they were actually meant for washing up.

789
00:46:26,295 --> 00:46:31,135
Speaker 2: It's brilliant. I'll read that again. That's fabulous. My observations

790
00:46:31,175 --> 00:46:34,655
Speaker 2: that the novel use of pot scours probably arose because

791
00:46:34,655 --> 00:46:37,535
Speaker 2: most male trades didn't know that they were actually meant

792
00:46:37,535 --> 00:46:41,935
Speaker 2: for washing up. Regards from Owen. Thank you. It's very

793
00:46:41,975 --> 00:46:45,615
Speaker 2: considered and very droll and very erudite. I appreciate that.

794
00:46:45,815 --> 00:46:48,055
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number

795
00:46:48,095 --> 00:46:51,615
Speaker 2: to call. We've also had that conversation just prior to

796
00:46:51,655 --> 00:46:55,135
Speaker 2: the news from Dave, who was involved in the construction

797
00:46:55,295 --> 00:46:57,415
Speaker 2: of I think it was a four story apartment block.

798
00:46:57,935 --> 00:47:02,335
Speaker 2: Now there is a leak coming from a wastewater fitting,

799
00:47:02,375 --> 00:47:05,095
Speaker 2: so wastewater pipe out of the vanity which has caused

800
00:47:05,095 --> 00:47:07,735
Speaker 2: water to drip out of the light of the apartment below.

801
00:47:08,735 --> 00:47:12,455
Speaker 2: The plumber is saying that, hey, look, not my problem.

802
00:47:12,535 --> 00:47:14,935
Speaker 2: My work's just warranted for twelve months. I'm not sure

803
00:47:15,015 --> 00:47:17,895
Speaker 2: that you get off that as easy as that. So

804
00:47:18,015 --> 00:47:20,935
Speaker 2: this text from Derek Hey Pete read the plumbing leak.

805
00:47:21,415 --> 00:47:25,775
Speaker 2: The Consumer Guarantees Act talks about fit for purpose. Also,

806
00:47:26,015 --> 00:47:30,455
Speaker 2: the body corp is responsible for repairs, not the individual owner.

807
00:47:31,295 --> 00:47:34,575
Speaker 2: Assuming that there is a body corp for this building,

808
00:47:37,055 --> 00:47:39,255
Speaker 2: you could tell the plumber that you'll complain to the

809
00:47:39,295 --> 00:47:42,855
Speaker 2: plumber and drain laz registration board or recover your costs

810
00:47:43,295 --> 00:47:46,375
Speaker 2: and of the repair through the dispute trope unal. That's

811
00:47:46,415 --> 00:47:48,815
Speaker 2: from Derek, very good point as well. Oh eight one

812
00:47:48,895 --> 00:47:55,575
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number zo, Sorry, that's

813
00:47:55,575 --> 00:47:57,775
Speaker 2: the text that I can't read out on here. M

814
00:48:00,975 --> 00:48:06,655
Speaker 2: ooh pete. There is a dispute as to the position

815
00:48:06,775 --> 00:48:11,095
Speaker 2: of a boundary between two closely positioned houses. Who can

816
00:48:11,135 --> 00:48:16,175
Speaker 2: give an uncontestable decision to resolve this a surveyor. It's

817
00:48:16,215 --> 00:48:19,135
Speaker 2: as simple as that. So you would get a surveyor

818
00:48:19,175 --> 00:48:23,455
Speaker 2: in to determine the boundary, which in most cases will

819
00:48:23,495 --> 00:48:27,695
Speaker 2: already it'll be information that's already held, unless it's a

820
00:48:27,735 --> 00:48:31,975
Speaker 2: particularly old section, which are often listed on the title

821
00:48:32,175 --> 00:48:37,495
Speaker 2: as subject to parcel. So title subject to parcel, which

822
00:48:37,535 --> 00:48:39,895
Speaker 2: is a way of saying we don't actually really know

823
00:48:39,935 --> 00:48:42,455
Speaker 2: where the boundaries are. So you're buying this bit of

824
00:48:42,535 --> 00:48:45,655
Speaker 2: land and we think it's about the size, but we

825
00:48:45,695 --> 00:48:48,815
Speaker 2: don't really know. But in most that's quite old. We're

826
00:48:48,815 --> 00:48:53,455
Speaker 2: talking about houses from the early nineteen hundreds roughly might

827
00:48:53,495 --> 00:48:58,535
Speaker 2: have that. Almost anything from there onwards will have a boundary.

828
00:48:58,535 --> 00:49:01,935
Speaker 2: That boundary information will be held at limbs, so the

829
00:49:02,015 --> 00:49:06,855
Speaker 2: land information New Zealand and most surveyors will all surveys

830
00:49:06,855 --> 00:49:09,175
Speaker 2: will have access to that. So if there's a dispute,

831
00:49:09,495 --> 00:49:13,575
Speaker 2: a surveyor land server will come determine where the boundary is.

832
00:49:13,775 --> 00:49:17,295
Speaker 2: And that's your answer, right, oh Ian, Good morning.

833
00:49:18,455 --> 00:49:23,615
Speaker 6: Good morning, Peter, very well. Good I'm renovating the house

834
00:49:23,655 --> 00:49:27,855
Speaker 6: that was built in the seventies real equated around two thousand,

835
00:49:28,535 --> 00:49:31,975
Speaker 6: and it's just a standard cigar level dwelling with a

836
00:49:32,055 --> 00:49:36,775
Speaker 6: carrogated iron reef underlay that they've put over the rafters

837
00:49:37,135 --> 00:49:42,095
Speaker 6: and and under the iron is foil backed in the

838
00:49:42,095 --> 00:49:44,175
Speaker 6: foil places into the ceiling space.

839
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Speaker 12: Yes, I wondered if it was compliant and whether it

840
00:49:51,375 --> 00:49:54,015
Speaker 12: was gonna if there's any moisture that it would actually

841
00:49:54,095 --> 00:49:58,575
Speaker 12: con't then spoil and then drop back into the into the.

842
00:49:58,615 --> 00:50:02,575
Speaker 6: Ceiling space, and whether while I'm doing the renovations, because

843
00:50:02,615 --> 00:50:06,695
Speaker 6: I've done some roofing changes, and I have replaced a

844
00:50:06,735 --> 00:50:13,855
Speaker 6: portion of it with the regular underlay, self supporting underlay

845
00:50:13,895 --> 00:50:18,095
Speaker 6: and nesting. Whether I should just, you know, pull all

846
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Speaker 6: the iron off and replace it entirely.

847
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Speaker 2: It's interesting that they've used so when you are inside

848
00:50:27,855 --> 00:50:30,655
Speaker 2: that roof space, inside the ceiling cavity, looking at the

849
00:50:30,775 --> 00:50:34,215
Speaker 2: underside of the roofing iron, it is like the silver,

850
00:50:34,415 --> 00:50:39,735
Speaker 2: shiny sort of pain. Yeah, I wonder what motivated them

851
00:50:39,815 --> 00:50:44,935
Speaker 2: to do that at the time. I mean, it probably

852
00:50:44,975 --> 00:50:47,015
Speaker 2: fits it. Around the same time, we're used to be

853
00:50:47,015 --> 00:50:50,695
Speaker 2: able to buy plasterboard that had foil adhered to the

854
00:50:50,735 --> 00:50:53,335
Speaker 2: back of it, and the theory being was that would

855
00:50:53,415 --> 00:50:56,775
Speaker 2: reflect the heat and help with insulation. You can't buy

856
00:50:56,815 --> 00:50:59,415
Speaker 2: that anymore. And I'm sure the theory was right, but

857
00:50:59,495 --> 00:51:02,815
Speaker 2: it never struck me as particularly effective, but it was

858
00:51:03,775 --> 00:51:07,295
Speaker 2: it was compliant at the time. And I wonder too,

859
00:51:07,335 --> 00:51:11,415
Speaker 2: with that roofing underlay that you're seeing, the theory is

860
00:51:11,455 --> 00:51:13,615
Speaker 2: that it will reflect some of the heat from the

861
00:51:13,655 --> 00:51:17,535
Speaker 2: ceiling down, so any any warmth that's in there gets

862
00:51:17,575 --> 00:51:20,655
Speaker 2: reflected down. And when you took the roofing iron off,

863
00:51:20,775 --> 00:51:23,535
Speaker 2: what's the appearance of the top side of that.

864
00:51:24,575 --> 00:51:26,295
Speaker 6: It's kind of bituminous.

865
00:51:26,655 --> 00:51:28,575
Speaker 2: Oh yes, it's the sort of black you know, the

866
00:51:28,615 --> 00:51:32,015
Speaker 2: good old fashioned roofing paper, roofing underlay that we've used

867
00:51:32,015 --> 00:51:34,335
Speaker 2: for Donkey's Ears, so that on the top had a

868
00:51:34,375 --> 00:51:37,055
Speaker 2: silver reflective foil on the underside.

869
00:51:37,855 --> 00:51:40,775
Speaker 6: It's not so much paper, it was more it had

870
00:51:40,895 --> 00:51:42,935
Speaker 6: sort of thread through it. It was almost like it was

871
00:51:42,975 --> 00:51:47,055
Speaker 6: a yeah, it's a it's a strange sort of substance.

872
00:51:47,135 --> 00:51:48,215
Speaker 6: It's not really paper.

873
00:51:49,655 --> 00:51:52,135
Speaker 2: I think it's it seems like one of those products

874
00:51:52,175 --> 00:51:55,695
Speaker 2: that you might often see, like in commercial roofing installation jobs,

875
00:51:56,015 --> 00:51:58,495
Speaker 2: where you might have a large warehouse, for example, that

876
00:51:58,615 --> 00:52:01,535
Speaker 2: has no insulation in the roof at all, so you've

877
00:52:01,535 --> 00:52:05,495
Speaker 2: got sort of you know, trusses or steel portals, pearlins

878
00:52:05,535 --> 00:52:08,255
Speaker 2: across it, and then often some netting because of the

879
00:52:08,255 --> 00:52:12,255
Speaker 2: span of the pearlins. And then they'll have that type

880
00:52:12,295 --> 00:52:16,575
Speaker 2: of roofing underlay there because basically they have no insulation, right,

881
00:52:16,615 --> 00:52:21,215
Speaker 2: so that the foil is doing a little bit towards

882
00:52:21,295 --> 00:52:22,695
Speaker 2: trying to keep the heat in the building.

883
00:52:25,775 --> 00:52:27,735
Speaker 6: I wonder if it was just that they had spare

884
00:52:29,895 --> 00:52:32,575
Speaker 6: a more underlay, flooring.

885
00:52:32,255 --> 00:52:37,215
Speaker 2: Underlay that doesn't have a bitumen side to it. That's

886
00:52:37,375 --> 00:52:39,855
Speaker 2: aluminium on both sides. So the aluminium foil that we

887
00:52:39,935 --> 00:52:43,975
Speaker 2: used to drape over the joysts as underfloor insulation was

888
00:52:44,655 --> 00:52:46,895
Speaker 2: basically aluminium face on both sides.

889
00:52:47,775 --> 00:52:49,015
Speaker 6: It could well be that.

890
00:52:49,255 --> 00:52:51,015
Speaker 2: I mean, when I saw two layers.

891
00:52:50,775 --> 00:52:56,255
Speaker 6: Of it, well, yeah, I'm not sure, because the the

892
00:52:56,255 --> 00:53:00,655
Speaker 6: sections that I did take out were reasonably deteriorated. You know,

893
00:53:00,655 --> 00:53:02,895
Speaker 6: it just sort of fell apart as much as anything.

894
00:53:06,575 --> 00:53:09,815
Speaker 6: It was done on the cheap. Yeah, I've found other

895
00:53:10,335 --> 00:53:13,735
Speaker 6: issues with right through them and all.

896
00:53:13,615 --> 00:53:19,375
Speaker 2: Sorts of Yeah, sure. I mean the other thing is

897
00:53:19,495 --> 00:53:21,495
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, like, how does it actually perform?

898
00:53:21,575 --> 00:53:23,655
Speaker 2: So if you were to go up there on a

899
00:53:23,695 --> 00:53:27,535
Speaker 2: particularly cold day when you're likely to see condensation, So

900
00:53:27,815 --> 00:53:31,455
Speaker 2: if you know, even not terribly cold in Auckland this morning,

901
00:53:31,495 --> 00:53:34,095
Speaker 2: but you know a little bit chilly, if you were

902
00:53:34,135 --> 00:53:36,055
Speaker 2: to go up into that roof space now through the

903
00:53:36,095 --> 00:53:41,215
Speaker 2: ceiling access, would you see condensation on the underside of

904
00:53:41,255 --> 00:53:42,015
Speaker 2: that material.

905
00:53:43,535 --> 00:53:46,015
Speaker 6: I don't see much typically when I go up there,

906
00:53:46,055 --> 00:53:48,015
Speaker 6: and I'm not there reason to move frequently at the moment,

907
00:53:48,495 --> 00:53:52,175
Speaker 6: and it doesn't seem to be damp or or inn

908
00:53:52,295 --> 00:53:54,695
Speaker 6: drip spots or anything at all. But what does worry

909
00:53:54,775 --> 00:53:58,655
Speaker 6: me is that while I'm doing the insulation, sorry, while

910
00:53:58,695 --> 00:54:02,695
Speaker 6: I'm doing the renovation, I want to add extra insulation

911
00:54:02,815 --> 00:54:05,935
Speaker 6: into the ceiling space. Yes, I'm just worried that the

912
00:54:07,735 --> 00:54:13,975
Speaker 6: change in behavior. Yeah, sure, and moisture being created.

913
00:54:15,895 --> 00:54:18,535
Speaker 2: Adding another layer of insulation let's say over the top

914
00:54:18,575 --> 00:54:21,975
Speaker 2: of the ceiling below right, which is the typical pattern,

915
00:54:22,895 --> 00:54:25,295
Speaker 2: as long as you maintain an air gap, and that's

916
00:54:25,375 --> 00:54:29,055
Speaker 2: really important. Once you get down to the exterior bottom plate,

917
00:54:29,135 --> 00:54:32,375
Speaker 2: the top plate's rather right, so that space there is

918
00:54:32,615 --> 00:54:36,135
Speaker 2: tricky to insulate because the temptation is to put insulation

919
00:54:36,255 --> 00:54:39,335
Speaker 2: in there which touches the underside of the iron or

920
00:54:39,375 --> 00:54:41,855
Speaker 2: pushes the roofing underlay up to the underside of the

921
00:54:41,855 --> 00:54:46,695
Speaker 2: iron and prevents ventilation. And that's a genuine concern. So

922
00:54:47,135 --> 00:54:49,895
Speaker 2: what you tend to do is interesting. There's a couple

923
00:54:49,895 --> 00:54:52,615
Speaker 2: of products that have come out recently. Where as you're

924
00:54:52,855 --> 00:54:57,295
Speaker 2: constructing the roof, you'll lay like a it's a plastic

925
00:54:57,415 --> 00:55:02,535
Speaker 2: corrugated material over the top of the trusses before you

926
00:55:02,575 --> 00:55:05,335
Speaker 2: put the pearlins on. That will create an air gap.

927
00:55:05,455 --> 00:55:07,895
Speaker 2: So even if you do push your insulation in there,

928
00:55:08,335 --> 00:55:11,655
Speaker 2: it restrains the insulation and provides ventilation. Which is a

929
00:55:11,695 --> 00:55:17,735
Speaker 2: clever solution to that detail around the perimeter. So if

930
00:55:17,735 --> 00:55:20,975
Speaker 2: you bear that principle in mind and don't stuff too

931
00:55:21,055 --> 00:55:24,295
Speaker 2: much insulation in around the top plate, that will close

932
00:55:24,295 --> 00:55:30,375
Speaker 2: off that gap, that's your best solution. I mean, look,

933
00:55:30,935 --> 00:55:34,255
Speaker 2: it's what you're suggesting is to take the entire roof

934
00:55:34,255 --> 00:55:37,255
Speaker 2: off in order to change the roofing underlay. And obviously

935
00:55:37,295 --> 00:55:41,175
Speaker 2: that would be maybe your best scenario. But at the

936
00:55:41,215 --> 00:55:44,855
Speaker 2: same time, I also understand that's a considerable amount of

937
00:55:44,895 --> 00:55:49,095
Speaker 2: effort in order to solve something that might not actually

938
00:55:49,135 --> 00:55:51,495
Speaker 2: be a problem. So if the roofing underlay is in

939
00:55:51,535 --> 00:55:55,575
Speaker 2: poor condition, or if you're seeing condensation, or it's laid

940
00:55:55,615 --> 00:55:58,055
Speaker 2: in such a way that, in fact, any moisture, any

941
00:55:58,055 --> 00:56:01,255
Speaker 2: condensation on the underside of the iron is not directed

942
00:56:01,335 --> 00:56:03,575
Speaker 2: to the outside and into the spouting and it's dripping

943
00:56:03,655 --> 00:56:06,135
Speaker 2: down on your insulation that sort of thing, then I'd

944
00:56:06,295 --> 00:56:08,615
Speaker 2: I'd probably go it's a high priority to fix it.

945
00:56:09,055 --> 00:56:12,415
Speaker 2: But I you know, with all renovations, we've got what

946
00:56:12,455 --> 00:56:14,375
Speaker 2: we'd like to do and what we can afford to do,

947
00:56:14,855 --> 00:56:17,855
Speaker 2: and so you're looking to get the maximum benefit from

948
00:56:17,895 --> 00:56:23,015
Speaker 2: your budget. And unless there's a really straightforward, identifiable problem

949
00:56:23,055 --> 00:56:26,055
Speaker 2: with what's there at the moment, you probably spend your

950
00:56:26,055 --> 00:56:28,575
Speaker 2: money somewhere else, you know, like it wouldn't be top

951
00:56:28,615 --> 00:56:33,535
Speaker 2: of my priority list unless it was a genuine issue. Okay, Yes,

952
00:56:33,855 --> 00:56:35,895
Speaker 2: that's how I would That's how I would look at it,

953
00:56:35,935 --> 00:56:39,015
Speaker 2: because in the end, most of us are not unrestrained

954
00:56:39,055 --> 00:56:43,215
Speaker 2: by budget, right, and so you know, the exercise of

955
00:56:43,295 --> 00:56:47,255
Speaker 2: removing a roof and redoing that is probably going to

956
00:56:47,295 --> 00:56:49,855
Speaker 2: be well, what do you think it might be fifteen

957
00:56:49,935 --> 00:56:54,055
Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars exercise, you know, and that's that's money

958
00:56:54,055 --> 00:56:57,135
Speaker 2: that you can spend our screen. It's not a huge Okay.

959
00:56:56,895 --> 00:56:59,975
Speaker 6: It's probably the only sort of eighty square meters worth

960
00:56:59,975 --> 00:57:07,095
Speaker 6: of roofing because I've already had part of yeah sure,

961
00:57:08,095 --> 00:57:11,415
Speaker 6: the other part of the renovation, but I'd be able

962
00:57:11,415 --> 00:57:13,935
Speaker 6: to reuse the material, so it would be strictly labor

963
00:57:13,975 --> 00:57:14,735
Speaker 6: and underlay.

964
00:57:15,015 --> 00:57:15,215
Speaker 10: Yeah.

965
00:57:15,615 --> 00:57:19,175
Speaker 2: Yeah. So someone's texture and they described it as a

966
00:57:19,295 --> 00:57:22,975
Speaker 2: sizeolation roofing underlay. So the foil is adhered to a

967
00:57:23,015 --> 00:57:26,975
Speaker 2: reinforced bitumen, which sounds exactly like what you've got, so sizolation.

968
00:57:27,455 --> 00:57:30,055
Speaker 2: So it's like the sizeolation that we used to put

969
00:57:30,215 --> 00:57:33,935
Speaker 2: over the top of joists. In an underfloor situation, but

970
00:57:35,095 --> 00:57:39,215
Speaker 2: specifically modified. So again, you might find that it was

971
00:57:40,095 --> 00:57:43,095
Speaker 2: a product that actually complied with the code at the time.

972
00:57:43,215 --> 00:57:47,255
Speaker 2: So while it's unusual today, it might not mean that

973
00:57:47,295 --> 00:57:52,055
Speaker 2: it's actually causing a problem. So again i'd be cautious

974
00:57:52,055 --> 00:57:55,095
Speaker 2: around that. I mean, if you're interested in Again, I

975
00:57:55,135 --> 00:57:57,975
Speaker 2: found it fascinating when I was down that I actually

976
00:57:57,975 --> 00:58:01,895
Speaker 2: went to Brands earlier in the year and they've got

977
00:58:02,495 --> 00:58:07,335
Speaker 2: a very simple, typical New Zealand nineteen to seven three

978
00:58:07,375 --> 00:58:13,575
Speaker 2: bedroom house sitting in their yard which they're altering. They're

979
00:58:13,615 --> 00:58:16,095
Speaker 2: measuring and then they're altering it. And one of the

980
00:58:16,135 --> 00:58:20,335
Speaker 2: experiments that they've done was how can we increase the

981
00:58:20,455 --> 00:58:24,335
Speaker 2: insulation and the roof space and what's the most effective

982
00:58:25,695 --> 00:58:28,775
Speaker 2: pathway to getting much better insulation And what they ended

983
00:58:28,815 --> 00:58:31,375
Speaker 2: up doing. Now I'm just mentioning it because it sounds

984
00:58:31,415 --> 00:58:33,375
Speaker 2: like you're interested in this sort of space. But what

985
00:58:33,415 --> 00:58:37,135
Speaker 2: they did was they stripped the roofing iron off, took

986
00:58:37,135 --> 00:58:39,815
Speaker 2: off the pearlins, the building paper and so on, and

987
00:58:39,855 --> 00:58:43,815
Speaker 2: then they sheathed over the top of the trusses with plywood.

988
00:58:44,215 --> 00:58:47,695
Speaker 2: Then they fitted a rigid insulation like one hundred hundred

989
00:58:47,695 --> 00:58:51,935
Speaker 2: and fifty millimeters of pr then roofing paper over that

990
00:58:52,255 --> 00:58:56,855
Speaker 2: Perlin structurally fitted right through that insulation layer, and then

991
00:58:56,935 --> 00:58:59,575
Speaker 2: put the roofing on. So what you ended up with

992
00:58:59,775 --> 00:59:03,175
Speaker 2: is a completely conditioned roof space because you've got this

993
00:59:03,255 --> 00:59:06,775
Speaker 2: continuous layer of insulation that follows the shit of the

994
00:59:06,855 --> 00:59:09,895
Speaker 2: roof and then sealed all of around the edges and

995
00:59:09,935 --> 00:59:13,895
Speaker 2: so on, so there's no airflow. And what you end

996
00:59:13,975 --> 00:59:16,295
Speaker 2: up is this conditioned roof space as well, so we

997
00:59:16,495 --> 00:59:18,975
Speaker 2: your down lights are and your ventilation and all of

998
00:59:19,055 --> 00:59:22,175
Speaker 2: those sorts of things. You're not worried about those penetrations

999
00:59:22,295 --> 00:59:26,575
Speaker 2: through your insulation because your insulation is continuous and above that.

1000
00:59:27,135 --> 00:59:30,335
Speaker 2: And apparently the performance difference because they're measuring the building

1001
00:59:30,455 --> 00:59:33,175
Speaker 2: at a baseline level and then they're measuring it afterwards

1002
00:59:34,095 --> 00:59:38,455
Speaker 2: was phenomenal. So you know, that's that's again probably not

1003
00:59:38,535 --> 00:59:40,455
Speaker 2: a solution that you might want to adopt, given that

1004
00:59:40,495 --> 00:59:43,335
Speaker 2: you're already well down the path, but you know, it

1005
00:59:43,535 --> 00:59:45,815
Speaker 2: sort of excited me, and I'm thinking if I was

1006
00:59:45,975 --> 00:59:49,015
Speaker 2: part of a project in the future where someone wanted

1007
00:59:49,055 --> 00:59:53,055
Speaker 2: to get a much better performing house, that's what that's

1008
00:59:53,095 --> 00:59:55,095
Speaker 2: the type of solution that I would look at. I

1009
00:59:55,095 --> 00:59:57,815
Speaker 2: think it was really really insightful to look at that.

1010
00:59:58,375 --> 01:00:01,215
Speaker 6: So they just put large sort of they put the

1011
01:00:01,215 --> 01:00:03,335
Speaker 6: perlins over the top of the insulation.

1012
01:00:03,535 --> 01:00:07,575
Speaker 2: Yeah, right through, that's it. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it. So,

1013
01:00:07,815 --> 01:00:09,775
Speaker 2: you know, and sheath the over the top of the

1014
01:00:09,775 --> 01:00:11,935
Speaker 2: trust is. So there's there's a bit of money involved

1015
01:00:11,935 --> 01:00:14,415
Speaker 2: in plywood sheathing over the top of that, but then

1016
01:00:14,975 --> 01:00:19,375
Speaker 2: a rigid, continuous layer of insulation over the entire thing.

1017
01:00:19,455 --> 01:00:23,055
Speaker 2: So you've got this whole completely insulated roofs space. It

1018
01:00:23,135 --> 01:00:28,615
Speaker 2: was fascinating to watch, actually, yeah. Interesting yeah, yeah, and

1019
01:00:28,855 --> 01:00:30,695
Speaker 2: the details are on their website as well, so check

1020
01:00:30,735 --> 01:00:33,935
Speaker 2: it out. Hey, lovely talking with you all this take care.

1021
01:00:34,655 --> 01:00:38,135
Speaker 2: So that sizeolation, thanks for that text underlay. He's talking

1022
01:00:38,175 --> 01:00:44,535
Speaker 2: about sizelation. So it's a foil adhered to reinforced bitumen. Interesting,

1023
01:00:44,615 --> 01:00:47,135
Speaker 2: And this is the dilemma I think that we all face.

1024
01:00:47,375 --> 01:00:50,215
Speaker 2: You know, there's not that many people that I know

1025
01:00:50,295 --> 01:00:53,615
Speaker 2: who are unrestrained by budget in terms of you know,

1026
01:00:53,695 --> 01:00:57,255
Speaker 2: where if I've got a certain amount that I can

1027
01:00:57,295 --> 01:00:59,455
Speaker 2: spend on my house and I want to get some

1028
01:00:59,535 --> 01:01:02,695
Speaker 2: performance gains out of it, where do I spend that

1029
01:01:02,815 --> 01:01:05,455
Speaker 2: money to get the best performance gains, and we're talking

1030
01:01:05,495 --> 01:01:09,455
Speaker 2: about make it, you know, maybe more air tight, adding insulation,

1031
01:01:09,655 --> 01:01:13,775
Speaker 2: making it more energy efficient. How do you prioritize what

1032
01:01:13,855 --> 01:01:17,975
Speaker 2: you do? Basically it's bang for bucks is what we're

1033
01:01:17,975 --> 01:01:20,735
Speaker 2: talking about. Your thoughts, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty

1034
01:01:20,775 --> 01:01:22,255
Speaker 2: the lines of free if you'd like to talk with

1035
01:01:22,335 --> 01:01:24,135
Speaker 2: us in about an hour's time. Of course we're into

1036
01:01:24,135 --> 01:01:26,455
Speaker 2: the garden with a red climb past. So if you

1037
01:01:26,935 --> 01:01:29,735
Speaker 2: have any gardening or entomological questions, you can call rud

1038
01:01:29,855 --> 01:01:32,815
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1039
01:01:32,855 --> 01:01:36,215
Speaker 2: this Sunday morning, the last Sunday before daylight saving. Kind

1040
01:01:36,215 --> 01:01:39,975
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1041
01:01:40,095 --> 01:01:41,455
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1042
01:01:43,055 --> 01:01:45,975
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1043
01:01:46,015 --> 01:01:48,095
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1044
01:01:48,175 --> 01:01:52,255
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1045
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1046
01:01:53,935 --> 01:01:56,255
Speaker 2: Well, with the weather warming up and the season starting

1047
01:01:56,255 --> 01:01:58,615
Speaker 2: to change, it won't be long before you be getting

1048
01:01:58,615 --> 01:02:01,535
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1049
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1050
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1051
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1052
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1053
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1054
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1055
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1056
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1057
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1058
01:02:33,615 --> 01:02:36,335
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1059
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1060
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1061
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1062
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1063
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Speaker 2: dot NZ or see your nearest garden center. Z to

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Speaker 2: me I've noticed recently, and for people that live in

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Speaker 2: or manage an apartment block, you'll know this as well.

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Speaker 2: How quickly aluminium jewinery can fade, can get chalky, can

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Speaker 2: start to corrode away. So I've got Jacob here from

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Speaker 2: Nano Clear to let us know how that can be fixed.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, How are you, Jacob?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good morning?

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Speaker 8: Better, thank thanks for having me mate.

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Speaker 2: Now, am I right in understanding that you can bring

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Speaker 2: back that original color of faded aluminium jewnery so it

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Speaker 2: looks like new?

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Speaker 12: Yes?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, Ken. So our process rejuvenates old and tired elementum

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01:03:36,775 --> 01:03:39,935
Speaker 8: jewelery and it instantly restores the original color and gloss,

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Speaker 8: So then it not only looks brand new, but it's

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Speaker 8: actually protected for longer than even brand new jewnery.

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Speaker 2: Right, So for body corporates who are managing perhaps dozens

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Speaker 2: of units, this isn't just a cosmetic issue. This is

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Speaker 2: actually long term protection and cost savings.

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Speaker 8: Yes, that's right. So replacing jewnery on an entire apartment

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Speaker 8: block cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. But well, Nanoclear,

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Speaker 8: we can recolor to something different or restore what was

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Speaker 8: originally there in a fraction of the cost and have

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Speaker 8: it lasted even longer.

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Speaker 2: So will it actually protect from and how long does

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Speaker 2: that last?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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01:04:10,815 --> 01:04:13,295
Speaker 8: Nanoclare is sun UV and sea salt resistance, and we

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Speaker 8: live on an island surrounded by sea salt, and then

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Speaker 8: the highest UV saturation in the world. So nanoclare is

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Speaker 8: actually the perfect remedy for our climate. It's also chemical

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Speaker 8: and soolent resistant and a lot harder than normal paint,

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Speaker 8: making it super hard to damage. And how long does

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Speaker 8: it last. Well, we guarantee it'll last for a decade,

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Speaker 8: but we always expect it to last a lot longer

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Speaker 8: than that.

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Speaker 2: So if you're involved with the body corporate, your work

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Speaker 2: is perfect because it not only makes the building look

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Speaker 2: really sharp, but it's also protecting the investment and it

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Speaker 2: may not require as much maintenance in the future.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly better. So body corporates tell us all the

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Speaker 8: time that they love the immediate list that it gets

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Speaker 8: for the appearance and the resale value in tenet satisfaction,

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Speaker 8: and then the peace of mind knowing that it will

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Speaker 8: stay protected for so far into the future.

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Speaker 2: So do you guys just work with body corporates?

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Speaker 8: Oh, necessarily work with homeowners and business owners and property

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01:05:00,895 --> 01:05:03,775
Speaker 8: managers and anyone that has aluminimal color still already that

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01:05:03,815 --> 01:05:05,535
Speaker 8: they want to protect from corrosion.

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Speaker 11: In the future.

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Speaker 2: So it sounds like if you're in a body corporate

1117
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Speaker 2: or you're on the committee and you're managing the department block.

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Speaker 2: It's worth a conversation with the team at nano Clear.

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Speaker 2: You'll find them at Nanoclear dot co dot NZ.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's Nonoclear dot co and Zed and you can

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Speaker 8: see everything we do in our hundreds of five star

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Speaker 8: reviews from normal everyday people.

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Speaker 2: Great talking with you, Jacob, Thank you, Thanks Beer, know

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Speaker 2: your work, your news talk ze b if you actually

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Speaker 2: on that. If you want to know more, just check

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Speaker 2: out Nanoclear dot co dot n Z. Actually bumped into them,

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Speaker 2: had to chat with them down at the home show

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Speaker 2: yesterday on the stand. I was in Nelson yesterday, actually

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Speaker 2: lovely flight down, early morning departure out of Auckland on

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Speaker 2: little ATRS turboprops. Behind me two very excited Canadian backpackers

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Speaker 2: I think who were heading off to do the Abel

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Speaker 2: Tasman Walk, so hence the flight down to Nelson, and

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Speaker 2: they were I was trying to figure out what they

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Speaker 2: were watching on their phones as they embarked, but of

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Speaker 2: course it was the Black Ferns v. Canada match, and

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Speaker 2: then they were very excited when we finally landed and

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01:06:15,375 --> 01:06:17,895
Speaker 2: they could see the results as well. Out of that game,

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Speaker 2: but kind of delightful too, sitting there. We were down

1139
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Speaker 2: the back on the left hand side of the plane

1140
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Speaker 2: and the pilot took us literally over the top of Taranaki.

1141
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Speaker 2: So the exclamations and the oh wow, isn't that amazing?

1142
01:06:31,855 --> 01:06:34,295
Speaker 2: Isn't it such a beautiful country from the two young

1143
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Speaker 2: Canadians sitting behind me was quite quite delightful actually, and

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Speaker 2: just we probably would have been I don't know. It

1145
01:06:41,855 --> 01:06:43,735
Speaker 2: seemed like we were right over the top of Taranaki,

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01:06:44,455 --> 01:06:47,255
Speaker 2: bit a snow on it. It was absolutely stunning and

1147
01:06:47,295 --> 01:06:49,535
Speaker 2: a little bit windy now to christ Church last night,

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Speaker 2: so it's going to be a tough day I think

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Speaker 2: in that part of the world. Certainly warnings from the

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Speaker 2: met Service around extreme winds and the fire Service as well.

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Speaker 2: It was interesting in our earlier bulletin. So you've got

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01:07:01,255 --> 01:07:03,055
Speaker 2: to make sure you go out and check that. Oh,

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01:07:03,055 --> 01:07:05,215
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

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Speaker 2: call if you've got a quick of a building nature

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Speaker 2: you can call us on eight hundred and eighty eighty

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01:07:11,095 --> 01:07:17,255
Speaker 2: e Good morning to you, Hello, Eve. Hello, You might

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Speaker 2: want to turn your radio off because this is going

1158
01:07:19,975 --> 01:07:23,255
Speaker 2: to get really confusing really quickly. Right, Yeah, let's go

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Speaker 2: for it.

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Speaker 5: Okay, go.

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Speaker 2: Hello, yes, go for it. Leaf. What's your question?

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Speaker 7: Oh oh yes, thank you for accept my call. Okay,

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Speaker 7: just if I just briefly saying my story is I

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Speaker 7: get three? Okay, somebody come to quote me. I have

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Speaker 7: lemonaked thrawing to lay lemonon floring, and then the guy

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Speaker 7: can have a look, use fit the measurement, give me

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Speaker 7: a give me the price on a verbally mentioned for him.

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Speaker 7: Did you I was advised that this floor is not

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Speaker 7: even because it's the old house, uh flat down. Do

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Speaker 7: you want to have a look and you know to see?

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Speaker 7: And he said, yeah, I have looked at and just

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Speaker 7: a few more bags. That's all come pound backs and

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Speaker 7: the bags what maximum six hundred dollars one back is

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Speaker 7: eighty and so but maybely just two to two hundred

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Speaker 7: or three hundred backs, but more worn more than six

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Speaker 7: hundred dollars back. He gave me a fee all the face,

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Speaker 7: so I write it down and warrant here. I asked

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Speaker 7: how long the warranty? He said two years and okay,

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Speaker 7: and he said when he can come to do the job.

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Speaker 7: He changed the date a little, but that's okay. After

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Speaker 7: he started the preparation of flooring the first day and

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Speaker 7: before I leave because I don't live there any house,

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01:09:02,975 --> 01:09:06,695
Speaker 7: and he told me, oh, I needed you need to

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Speaker 7: pay me the preparation free. I said, yeah, this is

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Speaker 7: already in the quote. You'll quote me. And he said, oh,

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01:09:14,575 --> 01:09:19,015
Speaker 7: you need to pay me so on yourself and you

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Speaker 7: can pay me half or fifty percent or what and

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Speaker 7: whatever you want me to sign. I was signing, and

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Speaker 7: I was thinking, is that in the quote? Because we agree?

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Speaker 7: He asked me before he started the job. On the

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Speaker 7: same day he quoted me, he said, how do you pay?

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Speaker 7: I said, I pay you when you complete the job.

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Speaker 7: And because I don't know much about this work, I

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01:09:40,935 --> 01:09:44,175
Speaker 7: will get to somebody now my family or other people

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Speaker 7: to trick a work. So good, I pay you in

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Speaker 7: full and he said, okay, but this is all in verbal.

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Speaker 7: Then after I think I better. I don't have any

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Speaker 7: hims reaching downside a message to him or call himself.

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Speaker 7: I want you to send me an email about your quote.

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Speaker 7: He said, yes, he will do, and then he did that.

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Speaker 7: So every think it's similar to what he said. The

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01:10:08,815 --> 01:10:12,855
Speaker 7: only difference is that he write the compound back the

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Speaker 7: ninety dollars and I don't fussy about it, but I

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01:10:16,055 --> 01:10:18,935
Speaker 7: did mention to him, and then when he died the

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01:10:18,975 --> 01:10:22,015
Speaker 7: first time, the first day he told me. And in

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Speaker 7: the middle of that, when I'm leaving, so he said, oh,

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Speaker 7: I need to charge you the the preparationion free. I

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01:10:30,495 --> 01:10:33,575
Speaker 7: thought what he meant was, I wasn't not too sure

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01:10:33,615 --> 01:10:36,535
Speaker 7: because he said very brutally he said, and I thought

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01:10:36,575 --> 01:10:39,655
Speaker 7: that there was in the quote, So I said, I

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Speaker 7: better go home to check and then and.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I just jump in quickly if so. I think

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Speaker 2: what's going to be really important for this is is

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01:10:50,095 --> 01:10:52,375
Speaker 2: it a quote or is it an estimate? And it

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01:10:52,495 --> 01:10:56,095
Speaker 2: sounds to me like it's an estimate because what he's

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01:10:56,135 --> 01:10:58,855
Speaker 2: saying is it's not this amount of money to do

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01:10:58,895 --> 01:11:02,295
Speaker 2: the preparation. He's saying that if I use two bags

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Speaker 2: at eighty or ninety dollars a bag, that's what I expect.

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01:11:05,895 --> 01:11:08,735
Speaker 2: But if he happens to need to use four bags,

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Speaker 2: or five bags or teen bags, then he'll It sounds

1221
01:11:12,935 --> 01:11:15,895
Speaker 2: like he's kind of got permission from you to do

1222
01:11:16,095 --> 01:11:18,215
Speaker 2: exactly that, to do whatever he needs to do to

1223
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Speaker 2: do the preparation.

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Speaker 7: Yes, yes, he did a quote to the maximum six

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Speaker 7: hundred dollars okay. The thing that the I'm not happy,

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Speaker 7: it's not because the bags. I don't mind if he

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Speaker 7: needs it used more because when he started the job,

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01:11:33,535 --> 01:11:37,095
Speaker 7: he said, oh, I need more bags, and I said, yeah,

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Speaker 7: you do whatever you need to do, make the floor

1230
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Speaker 7: look nice, even something like that. And so he said, okay,

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01:11:43,295 --> 01:11:46,175
Speaker 7: I can use more bags, said yes, yes, you know.

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Speaker 7: And then he didn't mention about any other fee okay,

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01:11:51,095 --> 01:11:54,455
Speaker 7: because when he quoted me, I asked, I did ask him,

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01:11:54,735 --> 01:11:57,375
Speaker 7: do you have charge extra our labor? He said no,

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01:11:57,575 --> 01:12:00,615
Speaker 7: that's it okay. Then I see it okay, and so

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Speaker 7: no any other fee. I wrote it on my.

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Speaker 3: Fee.

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Speaker 2: So what's what's the issue in terms of what he's changed?

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Speaker 8: He did?

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01:12:11,055 --> 01:12:14,575
Speaker 7: He did send me email, and on the emails it.

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01:12:14,615 --> 01:12:16,495
Speaker 3: Says quote okay.

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01:12:16,575 --> 01:12:21,215
Speaker 7: That is the quote is printed words quote okay.

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01:12:21,375 --> 01:12:24,495
Speaker 2: And then does he does he also say terms of payment?

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01:12:26,175 --> 01:12:30,335
Speaker 2: No okay. So if if you were to pay him

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01:12:30,375 --> 01:12:34,175
Speaker 2: for the work that he's already done, would that work?

1246
01:12:36,215 --> 01:12:38,375
Speaker 2: Is that more than what the original quote was?

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01:12:39,335 --> 01:12:44,495
Speaker 7: Yeah? Because he said here the first day in the lunchtime,

1248
01:12:44,895 --> 01:12:47,055
Speaker 7: because I don't leave there, I need to go oh

1249
01:12:47,095 --> 01:12:50,775
Speaker 7: and he said, ah, I need you need to pay

1250
01:12:50,775 --> 01:12:54,975
Speaker 7: me if you pay cash or something fifty percent or

1251
01:12:55,015 --> 01:12:57,735
Speaker 7: whatever of you know, I was signing anything you want

1252
01:12:57,775 --> 01:13:00,655
Speaker 7: me to sign, but I was thinking, I was think

1253
01:13:00,695 --> 01:13:03,135
Speaker 7: about it. I need to check the quote he gave me.

1254
01:13:03,215 --> 01:13:05,935
Speaker 7: I thought, I thought that what he means was in

1255
01:13:05,975 --> 01:13:06,295
Speaker 7: the quot.

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01:13:06,335 --> 01:13:06,495
Speaker 10: Oh.

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01:13:07,015 --> 01:13:10,535
Speaker 7: So but then next time or he messaged me or

1258
01:13:11,295 --> 01:13:15,015
Speaker 7: something like if you don't pay me, I won't, I

1259
01:13:15,055 --> 01:13:20,895
Speaker 7: won't h he and I want to do the layer.

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01:13:22,575 --> 01:13:26,535
Speaker 7: And when I was thinking, then I asked a children,

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01:13:27,735 --> 01:13:31,055
Speaker 7: do you mean this is extra? He said, well, hm,

1262
01:13:32,495 --> 01:13:35,015
Speaker 7: that's for fear. You should pay me, though, I said,

1263
01:13:35,215 --> 01:13:38,655
Speaker 7: but you have caught me as the labels reading cooling,

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01:13:38,735 --> 01:13:42,695
Speaker 7: no extra, he said. He didn't answer me that, No,

1265
01:13:42,975 --> 01:13:44,735
Speaker 7: he just said, oh, that's where you're saying.

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01:13:46,055 --> 01:13:49,015
Speaker 2: So at this stage he's can I just ask a question.

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01:13:49,095 --> 01:13:51,655
Speaker 2: Has he done the preparation but has not laid the

1268
01:13:51,695 --> 01:13:58,455
Speaker 2: new lemon Ae flooring, or has he finished the job? Okay, look,

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01:13:58,215 --> 01:14:03,495
Speaker 2: my my suggestion is that I I mean, look, if

1270
01:14:03,535 --> 01:14:07,295
Speaker 2: it's taken more materials to finish the job, then it's

1271
01:14:07,335 --> 01:14:11,015
Speaker 2: taken more materials, right, So what I would suggest is

1272
01:14:11,175 --> 01:14:14,655
Speaker 2: pay him fifty percent of the deposit that he's requested

1273
01:14:14,895 --> 01:14:18,175
Speaker 2: or the progress payment and then pay the balance when

1274
01:14:18,215 --> 01:14:20,775
Speaker 2: the job's done. And if he doesn't want to accept that,

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01:14:21,295 --> 01:14:26,695
Speaker 2: then you might have some more negotiations. But I think look,

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01:14:26,775 --> 01:14:29,815
Speaker 2: times are tough right and there's a lot of tradees

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01:14:29,855 --> 01:14:34,135
Speaker 2: that are really struggling for cash flow. So you know,

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01:14:34,175 --> 01:14:37,215
Speaker 2: it might be genuine. He's bought the materials. Perhaps he

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01:14:37,335 --> 01:14:39,335
Speaker 2: may not have a trade account, in which case he's

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01:14:39,375 --> 01:14:41,815
Speaker 2: paid for those materials and probably wants to get his

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01:14:41,855 --> 01:14:45,615
Speaker 2: money back. If that's the case, then you know, I'm

1282
01:14:45,655 --> 01:14:47,375
Speaker 2: going back on my word. But you could you could

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01:14:47,415 --> 01:14:49,615
Speaker 2: pay him for the materials but not for the labor,

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01:14:50,455 --> 01:14:52,615
Speaker 2: and that you will pay him for all of his

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01:14:52,735 --> 01:14:55,975
Speaker 2: labor once he's finished the job. That's how I would

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01:14:55,975 --> 01:14:58,775
Speaker 2: do it. But I think thanks very much for your call. Eve.

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01:14:59,135 --> 01:15:01,215
Speaker 2: I think the other thing is it really speaks to

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01:15:01,775 --> 01:15:04,815
Speaker 2: being really clear about the nature of the contract that

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01:15:04,855 --> 01:15:07,695
Speaker 2: you have with the contractors before you start. And also

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01:15:08,175 --> 01:15:11,415
Speaker 2: there is a difference between an estimate and a quote,

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01:15:12,255 --> 01:15:16,295
Speaker 2: and a quote that has a variable like that to me,

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01:15:16,415 --> 01:15:19,375
Speaker 2: feels more like an estimate not actually a genuine quote.

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01:15:19,855 --> 01:15:21,775
Speaker 2: Good luck with that. We'll take a short break. We'll

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01:15:21,775 --> 01:15:23,095
Speaker 2: talk to Sues after the break.

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01:15:23,895 --> 01:15:27,495
Speaker 1: Squeaky door or squeaky floor, give the right advice From

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01:15:27,575 --> 01:15:30,815
Speaker 1: Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder on News Talks.

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01:15:30,735 --> 01:15:34,175
Speaker 2: B You and new Talks, he'd be seven forty six

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01:15:34,415 --> 01:15:36,295
Speaker 2: and Sues.

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01:15:37,095 --> 01:15:40,335
Speaker 3: Morning, pea morning, just morning. I thought i'd just tell

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01:15:40,375 --> 01:15:43,815
Speaker 3: you quickly. I'm sitting up the top of Picton and

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01:15:43,855 --> 01:15:47,855
Speaker 3: I'm looking out over it and the winds starting to

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01:15:47,855 --> 01:15:51,415
Speaker 3: build up. But the fairies in in the loading, so.

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01:15:51,975 --> 01:15:53,135
Speaker 5: She does too bad.

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01:15:53,215 --> 01:15:56,655
Speaker 2: Actually, and I was in Nelson. I flew into Nelson

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01:15:56,735 --> 01:15:59,935
Speaker 2: yesterday morning at about eight o'clock and actually it was

1306
01:15:59,975 --> 01:16:02,775
Speaker 2: a pretty smooth landing and it was a glorious day

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01:16:02,895 --> 01:16:06,175
Speaker 2: in Nelson yesterday. I have to say, yeah, I know

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01:16:06,415 --> 01:16:09,775
Speaker 2: you'd say that, wouldn't it. But and then to get

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01:16:09,815 --> 01:16:12,215
Speaker 2: home I had to find Nelson christ Church. It was

1310
01:16:12,335 --> 01:16:15,615
Speaker 2: pretty windy and christ Church at around five o'clock yesterday

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01:16:15,615 --> 01:16:19,615
Speaker 2: and we took off. So tough old day down there today.

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01:16:20,455 --> 01:16:25,175
Speaker 3: Yeah, the wind. I'm feeling sorry for those Canadian was backpackage.

1313
01:16:26,655 --> 01:16:28,895
Speaker 2: They're okay, they'll be fine, I'm sure.

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01:16:29,415 --> 01:16:33,255
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I had some friends that have built a

1315
01:16:33,295 --> 01:16:38,255
Speaker 3: new house in Nelson in the main suburban area, and

1316
01:16:38,295 --> 01:16:42,215
Speaker 3: they were required by councils put two very large water

1317
01:16:42,295 --> 01:16:47,055
Speaker 3: tanks for the runoff for their roof, yes, and piped

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01:16:47,095 --> 01:16:50,455
Speaker 3: into the storm water. But they are not allowed to

1319
01:16:50,495 --> 01:16:53,615
Speaker 3: put a tap on them so they can water their cabins.

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01:16:53,655 --> 01:16:56,295
Speaker 3: And I just thought I was sensed by this, and

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01:16:56,375 --> 01:17:00,375
Speaker 3: I thought this is ridiculous council stuff. But I thought

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01:17:00,415 --> 01:17:04,095
Speaker 3: you might have logic for me, yes, because I can't think.

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01:17:03,895 --> 01:17:08,775
Speaker 2: Of any Okay, this is where I change gear, and

1324
01:17:08,775 --> 01:17:12,335
Speaker 2: I think like a bureaucrat, right, And when I put

1325
01:17:12,335 --> 01:17:15,655
Speaker 2: my I'm thinking like a bureaucrat hat on, which hurts,

1326
01:17:15,655 --> 01:17:19,695
Speaker 2: but I can do it. Is there are basically two

1327
01:17:19,695 --> 01:17:25,135
Speaker 2: different ways or using we're talking rainwater harvesting and stormwater control, right.

1328
01:17:25,655 --> 01:17:31,015
Speaker 2: So typically councils, when they're concerned about managing storm water

1329
01:17:31,575 --> 01:17:36,895
Speaker 2: are asking homeowners to help them manage the amount of

1330
01:17:36,935 --> 01:17:40,815
Speaker 2: stormwater that hits the public line by in some cases

1331
01:17:40,895 --> 01:17:45,375
Speaker 2: putting in detention tanks, right. And a detention tank is

1332
01:17:45,655 --> 01:17:49,695
Speaker 2: there for the purpose of collecting water during a downpour

1333
01:17:50,055 --> 01:17:53,495
Speaker 2: and releasing it into the public line at a slow

1334
01:17:53,575 --> 01:17:56,015
Speaker 2: rate that helps manage the amount of water that's in

1335
01:17:56,055 --> 01:17:59,135
Speaker 2: the public system, right. Or So, typically what you do

1336
01:17:59,255 --> 01:18:00,935
Speaker 2: is you have a large tank or in this case,

1337
01:18:00,975 --> 01:18:07,015
Speaker 2: two large tanks they empty out, which is the there

1338
01:18:07,055 --> 01:18:09,815
Speaker 2: might be like a seventeen mil orifice at the bottom,

1339
01:18:10,255 --> 01:18:12,495
Speaker 2: so that the tank fills up and it drains out

1340
01:18:12,535 --> 01:18:14,375
Speaker 2: over a period of time, might take a day and

1341
01:18:14,415 --> 01:18:16,495
Speaker 2: a half or so. But what that does is that

1342
01:18:16,615 --> 01:18:20,975
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five thousand, whatever thousand liters of water that's

1343
01:18:20,975 --> 01:18:24,495
Speaker 2: collected from the roof doesn't immediately go into the public

1344
01:18:24,535 --> 01:18:29,455
Speaker 2: stormwater system and contribute to overwhelming that. So that's detention tanks, right,

1345
01:18:30,335 --> 01:18:34,775
Speaker 2: good idea, very sensible in terms of managing stormwater. The

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01:18:34,815 --> 01:18:39,615
Speaker 2: other what we're more used to is effectively retention tanks, right,

1347
01:18:39,655 --> 01:18:43,375
Speaker 2: which is where we're retaining the water for use, And

1348
01:18:43,415 --> 01:18:45,975
Speaker 2: that makes a lot of sense as well, but it

1349
01:18:46,055 --> 01:18:48,735
Speaker 2: is slightly tricky to get a water tank to do

1350
01:18:48,855 --> 01:18:53,175
Speaker 2: both things. You can do where your requirement, let's say,

1351
01:18:53,295 --> 01:18:58,375
Speaker 2: for detention is less than the size of the tank.

1352
01:18:59,575 --> 01:19:03,215
Speaker 2: So for example, some made of mine has just built

1353
01:19:03,855 --> 01:19:06,015
Speaker 2: like a large workshop on the back of the property

1354
01:19:06,735 --> 01:19:10,375
Speaker 2: let's say seventy square meters, right, and so his requirement

1355
01:19:10,775 --> 01:19:18,095
Speaker 2: is he needed two thousand liters of stormwater detention, but

1356
01:19:18,255 --> 01:19:23,335
Speaker 2: he's put in a three thousand liter tank which allows

1357
01:19:23,415 --> 01:19:29,295
Speaker 2: him one thousand liters for rainwater harvesting. Now again you know,

1358
01:19:29,375 --> 01:19:31,655
Speaker 2: because in the event that he uses all of that

1359
01:19:31,735 --> 01:19:38,215
Speaker 2: water in the tank, then his stormwater detention capacity is

1360
01:19:38,335 --> 01:19:43,095
Speaker 2: at detention not detention is now three thousand liters, which

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01:19:43,135 --> 01:19:46,775
Speaker 2: is an advantage. So as long as he doesn't allow

1362
01:19:46,855 --> 01:19:50,655
Speaker 2: the tank to fill up and want to use all

1363
01:19:50,695 --> 01:19:53,135
Speaker 2: of that because if he's not using it for watering

1364
01:19:53,135 --> 01:19:56,295
Speaker 2: the garden or washing the car and it rains, then

1365
01:19:56,415 --> 01:20:01,295
Speaker 2: it will all go to overflow. Yes, now that works

1366
01:20:01,295 --> 01:20:03,735
Speaker 2: on a relatively small scale. So what he's done is

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01:20:04,135 --> 01:20:06,175
Speaker 2: I hooked him up with Bailey. We got a really

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01:20:06,335 --> 01:20:09,175
Speaker 2: my slim line tank three thousand liters that's going to

1369
01:20:09,255 --> 01:20:11,095
Speaker 2: get hooked up and he's going to be able to

1370
01:20:11,175 --> 01:20:13,735
Speaker 2: use one thousand liters all of the time and always

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01:20:13,815 --> 01:20:19,895
Speaker 2: keep two thousand liter capacity for his stormwater requirements. So

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01:20:19,935 --> 01:20:21,535
Speaker 2: that's okay, kind of where it's at.

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01:20:22,495 --> 01:20:27,775
Speaker 13: Yes, I get it, Yes, yes, No, it's great and

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01:20:27,975 --> 01:20:33,375
Speaker 13: extra money though to set that retention tank up I'm

1375
01:20:33,375 --> 01:20:35,175
Speaker 13: looking at I understand now.

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01:20:35,375 --> 01:20:37,495
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. I'm looking at a project at the moment,

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01:20:37,535 --> 01:20:40,695
Speaker 2: and this apparently in the Tasman regions it's not uncommon

1378
01:20:40,695 --> 01:20:45,015
Speaker 2: as well. Requirement to have if you're not near reticulated water,

1379
01:20:45,575 --> 01:20:48,775
Speaker 2: so there's no fire hydrant. For example, council are wanting

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01:20:48,815 --> 01:20:52,975
Speaker 2: you to install water tanks for fire fighting. That's a

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01:20:52,975 --> 01:20:57,495
Speaker 2: whole new thing that's coming as well, So that's going

1382
01:20:57,535 --> 01:20:59,295
Speaker 2: to be part of that. And in some cases, so

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01:20:59,695 --> 01:21:02,375
Speaker 2: what you need is like sufficient water for your drinking

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01:21:02,415 --> 01:21:05,655
Speaker 2: water and then sufficient water for fire fighting, but you

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01:21:05,695 --> 01:21:08,655
Speaker 2: can't use that water for drinking water because you don't

1386
01:21:08,655 --> 01:21:09,935
Speaker 2: want to have a fire on the day that you've

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01:21:09,935 --> 01:21:13,615
Speaker 2: emptied the tanks out. That's interesting. There's a look, there's

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01:21:13,615 --> 01:21:16,575
Speaker 2: a lot of discussion around the use of water tanks

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01:21:16,615 --> 01:21:19,575
Speaker 2: and look, they're great, right And what was really interesting

1390
01:21:19,615 --> 01:21:21,935
Speaker 2: at the home show last week is lots of people

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01:21:22,175 --> 01:21:25,295
Speaker 2: chatting with me about you know, suburban settings for like

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01:21:25,375 --> 01:21:29,695
Speaker 2: more compact water tanks, which is great, so super super useful.

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01:21:29,735 --> 01:21:31,655
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Su It's lovely to talk with.

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01:21:31,575 --> 01:21:35,575
Speaker 1: You helping you get those DIY projects done right. The

1395
01:21:35,735 --> 01:21:38,215
Speaker 1: resident fielder with Peter WOLFCAF.

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01:21:37,895 --> 01:21:42,295
Speaker 2: Call eight Youth Talks be There seems to be like

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01:21:42,375 --> 01:21:45,015
Speaker 2: quite a variation in terms of the rules and regulations

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01:21:45,055 --> 01:21:50,535
Speaker 2: regarding retention tanks, detention tanks and what amount you need

1399
01:21:50,575 --> 01:21:55,415
Speaker 2: to retain et cetera, et cetera. So Werner from Ashburton,

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01:21:55,455 --> 01:21:59,895
Speaker 2: I think check out the Ashburton Council. Our five k tanks,

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01:22:00,055 --> 01:22:02,975
Speaker 2: So five thousand tanks do drain and we've got a

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01:22:03,055 --> 01:22:06,575
Speaker 2: tap for waterank, so it's part of our consent. But

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01:22:06,655 --> 01:22:09,775
Speaker 2: then if they're draining, do you end up losing all

1404
01:22:09,815 --> 01:22:11,895
Speaker 2: of the volume or have you got what I think

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01:22:11,895 --> 01:22:13,775
Speaker 2: my mate's going to be able to set up, which

1406
01:22:13,895 --> 01:22:17,655
Speaker 2: is a certain capacity for reuse and a certain capacity

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01:22:17,815 --> 01:22:20,575
Speaker 2: that assists the storm water as well, and you can

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01:22:20,615 --> 01:22:22,335
Speaker 2: do the same. You can do that both in the

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01:22:22,375 --> 01:22:25,695
Speaker 2: one tank. So interesting stuff. Thank you very much. We

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01:22:25,815 --> 01:22:28,415
Speaker 2: will be back straight after news Sporting where the top

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01:22:28,455 --> 01:22:29,815
Speaker 2: of the at eight o'clock.

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01:22:31,295 --> 01:22:35,255
Speaker 1: Good measure twice God was but maybe called Pete first,

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01:22:35,375 --> 01:22:37,295
Speaker 1: vid your walcare the resident builder.

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01:22:37,455 --> 01:22:40,895
Speaker 2: News Talk said B. I turn the microphone on you

1415
01:22:40,935 --> 01:22:43,135
Speaker 2: with news Talk, said B. We are talking all things

1416
01:22:43,175 --> 01:22:45,855
Speaker 2: building and construction through to eight thirty. Then we're in

1417
01:22:45,935 --> 01:22:48,135
Speaker 2: the garden on the dot at eight thirty or through

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01:22:48,215 --> 01:22:51,775
Speaker 2: climb past Jane. Good morning, Good morning, Pete. How are

1419
01:22:51,815 --> 01:22:52,735
Speaker 2: you thinking very well?

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Speaker 14: I have some high density housing going up in the

1421
01:22:57,815 --> 01:23:03,455
Speaker 14: section next to mine. Before they started prepping the land.

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01:23:03,495 --> 01:23:05,895
Speaker 14: The developer approached me and said that he had got

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01:23:06,135 --> 01:23:09,775
Speaker 14: the areas of aid and my fence was encroaching on

1424
01:23:09,815 --> 01:23:14,135
Speaker 14: their section. He said that he would pull it down,

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01:23:14,215 --> 01:23:17,015
Speaker 14: put up a new fence, and take the amount of

1426
01:23:17,055 --> 01:23:19,495
Speaker 14: land that my fence was on, which I had no

1427
01:23:19,575 --> 01:23:23,615
Speaker 14: issue with. The issue I have now is that the

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01:23:23,695 --> 01:23:28,975
Speaker 14: fence went up quite a while ago, pretty quickly, and

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01:23:30,135 --> 01:23:35,175
Speaker 14: the gap between my section and the fence is probably

1430
01:23:35,815 --> 01:23:40,135
Speaker 14: about eighty centimeters.

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01:23:41,175 --> 01:23:43,975
Speaker 2: Eighty it's almost a point a to the meter.

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01:23:45,095 --> 01:23:48,935
Speaker 14: Yeah, I went out and did a measurement. They filled

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01:23:49,015 --> 01:23:54,655
Speaker 14: some of the gap with scoria, right, But since then

1434
01:23:55,095 --> 01:23:59,295
Speaker 14: the construction companies have changed and this next construction company

1435
01:23:59,295 --> 01:24:02,535
Speaker 14: has had to dig out some more clay. You know

1436
01:24:02,575 --> 01:24:06,935
Speaker 14: what nortal clay's like. And what has happen? And is

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01:24:06,935 --> 01:24:10,415
Speaker 14: that now in some parts of my fence, I have

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01:24:10,575 --> 01:24:16,215
Speaker 14: got that eighty centimeter gap and nothing between where they've

1439
01:24:16,255 --> 01:24:19,055
Speaker 14: cut out my land in the fence and there's about

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01:24:19,095 --> 01:24:23,535
Speaker 14: a four foot drop. Oh okay, I'm just wondering what

1441
01:24:23,575 --> 01:24:24,335
Speaker 14: my recourse is.

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01:24:24,575 --> 01:24:29,975
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go back a couple of steps. So is

1443
01:24:30,015 --> 01:24:35,375
Speaker 2: the fence now on the boundary.

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01:24:35,215 --> 01:24:40,255
Speaker 14: Allegedly, but it doesn't look like it because they didn't

1445
01:24:40,295 --> 01:24:43,895
Speaker 14: take down one of my fence posts which was meant

1446
01:24:43,895 --> 01:24:48,295
Speaker 14: to be on their boundary, and they haven't put the

1447
01:24:48,335 --> 01:24:49,775
Speaker 14: fence where that post was.

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01:24:51,455 --> 01:24:53,655
Speaker 2: I guess this is the beginning of the journey, which

1449
01:24:53,735 --> 01:24:59,815
Speaker 2: is to I would imagine that if they as part

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01:24:59,855 --> 01:25:02,375
Speaker 2: of the development and as part of their building consent,

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01:25:02,615 --> 01:25:05,855
Speaker 2: they will need to most likely provide a survey as

1452
01:25:05,895 --> 01:25:11,655
Speaker 2: setive a sighting certificate. Right, so in some cases, like

1453
01:25:11,695 --> 01:25:13,935
Speaker 2: when it's a bare bit of land, you'll get the

1454
01:25:13,975 --> 01:25:16,335
Speaker 2: surveyor to come out and put in some pegs to

1455
01:25:16,415 --> 01:25:20,015
Speaker 2: indicate where the building should be. Right. So that's independent

1456
01:25:20,895 --> 01:25:23,095
Speaker 2: as per the plan making sure the buildings where it

1457
01:25:23,095 --> 01:25:27,895
Speaker 2: should be. And then once they've done most of the building,

1458
01:25:28,135 --> 01:25:31,175
Speaker 2: they're up to roof stage, they need to provide a

1459
01:25:31,375 --> 01:25:35,295
Speaker 2: survey certificate to the Council inspector to say that the

1460
01:25:35,335 --> 01:25:37,895
Speaker 2: building is the size that it is on the plan

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01:25:38,415 --> 01:25:42,615
Speaker 2: and that any infringements or you know, issues around heightened

1462
01:25:42,615 --> 01:25:46,015
Speaker 2: relation to boundary, the building is the right size, right

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01:25:46,055 --> 01:25:48,655
Speaker 2: that they haven't suddenly it hasn't grown a little bit

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01:25:48,695 --> 01:25:51,215
Speaker 2: and all the rest of it. So what I'm saying,

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01:25:51,295 --> 01:25:53,495
Speaker 2: that's a long way of saying there should be a

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01:25:53,655 --> 01:25:57,335
Speaker 2: determination as to exactly where the boundary is, and ideally

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01:25:57,455 --> 01:25:59,935
Speaker 2: at the front and one end of the boundary. In

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01:25:59,935 --> 01:26:02,895
Speaker 2: the other end, there should be some survey marks which

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01:26:02,895 --> 01:26:07,615
Speaker 2: are evident, which will be a peg or a marker.

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01:26:08,615 --> 01:26:10,095
Speaker 14: Yeah, I've seen one of the markers.

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01:26:10,375 --> 01:26:10,575
Speaker 2: Yep.

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01:26:11,415 --> 01:26:15,575
Speaker 14: That's on the front end of the property.

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01:26:16,015 --> 01:26:18,175
Speaker 2: And should we run at the back as well.

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01:26:19,615 --> 01:26:23,575
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's a long Probably they're putting on seven terraced

1475
01:26:23,615 --> 01:26:27,415
Speaker 14: houses there. I haven't been to the back of the probably,

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01:26:27,415 --> 01:26:31,415
Speaker 14: but I really should don't have a nosey only they've

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01:26:31,495 --> 01:26:33,495
Speaker 14: just done the boxing and laid the concrete for the

1478
01:26:33,535 --> 01:26:35,975
Speaker 14: foundations at the moment.

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01:26:36,295 --> 01:26:41,455
Speaker 2: So that should still have been cited and determined by

1480
01:26:41,495 --> 01:26:45,295
Speaker 2: a surveyor so councils, you know, back in the day,

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01:26:45,735 --> 01:26:47,855
Speaker 2: council would turn up. You'd have a stringline on the

1482
01:26:47,895 --> 01:26:50,055
Speaker 2: boundary and you'd go, look, the plans show that the

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01:26:50,095 --> 01:26:52,295
Speaker 2: house is five meters from the boundary. They get their

1484
01:26:52,295 --> 01:26:54,495
Speaker 2: tape out. You'd have a stringline for the edge of

1485
01:26:54,495 --> 01:26:56,975
Speaker 2: you're boxing, and you'd go, see it's five meters from

1486
01:26:57,015 --> 01:27:00,335
Speaker 2: the boundary, and that accept that. I don't think that

1487
01:27:00,335 --> 01:27:03,455
Speaker 2: they've done that for a number of years, so prior

1488
01:27:03,495 --> 01:27:06,455
Speaker 2: to the slabs being poured, I would have expect that

1489
01:27:06,655 --> 01:27:10,655
Speaker 2: the Council inspector would ask for a sighting certificate, which

1490
01:27:10,695 --> 01:27:14,935
Speaker 2: should be provided and it comes from the surveyor, right,

1491
01:27:15,015 --> 01:27:18,455
Speaker 2: So I just wonder whether in your instance here, you know,

1492
01:27:19,695 --> 01:27:21,695
Speaker 2: I like to think well of other people, but it's

1493
01:27:21,775 --> 01:27:24,895
Speaker 2: quite possible that the developer has taken the opportunity of

1494
01:27:24,935 --> 01:27:27,375
Speaker 2: claiming a little bit of extra land and they've ended

1495
01:27:27,455 --> 01:27:30,775
Speaker 2: up building the new fence more onto your property than

1496
01:27:30,815 --> 01:27:33,615
Speaker 2: they should have. And you still own that space on

1497
01:27:33,655 --> 01:27:35,575
Speaker 2: the other side, but of course you can't get to

1498
01:27:35,615 --> 01:27:38,135
Speaker 2: it because the boundary fence has been put well into

1499
01:27:38,175 --> 01:27:41,095
Speaker 2: your property. If that's the case, would I would go

1500
01:27:41,895 --> 01:27:44,175
Speaker 2: back and you may have to involve lawyers for this

1501
01:27:44,335 --> 01:27:48,215
Speaker 2: and say I agreed to a replacement boundary fence, but

1502
01:27:48,335 --> 01:27:53,375
Speaker 2: it should be on the boundary. Yes, So that's where

1503
01:27:53,375 --> 01:27:55,535
Speaker 2: you need to That's where you need to start. Is

1504
01:27:55,575 --> 01:27:58,255
Speaker 2: the fence on the boundary. If it is on the boundary,

1505
01:27:58,375 --> 01:28:02,375
Speaker 2: and then there's issues with so when you say there's

1506
01:28:02,375 --> 01:28:06,175
Speaker 2: a drop, is that an area of your property that

1507
01:28:06,335 --> 01:28:07,135
Speaker 2: they've excavated.

1508
01:28:08,015 --> 01:28:11,775
Speaker 14: Yes, so they've taken some of my property away, They've excavated,

1509
01:28:11,775 --> 01:28:14,415
Speaker 14: so the fence isn't flush, the retaining wall isn't flush

1510
01:28:14,415 --> 01:28:18,855
Speaker 14: against my property, so I've got my section grass and whatever,

1511
01:28:18,935 --> 01:28:21,655
Speaker 14: and then it just falls. There's nothing there for eighty

1512
01:28:21,975 --> 01:28:26,775
Speaker 14: eighty centimeters to the fence. A small child could fall

1513
01:28:26,815 --> 01:28:27,575
Speaker 14: down there, right.

1514
01:28:27,935 --> 01:28:31,255
Speaker 2: And then they've obviously excavated their site, their side of

1515
01:28:31,295 --> 01:28:34,295
Speaker 2: the boundary down to the level that they need, and

1516
01:28:34,335 --> 01:28:36,935
Speaker 2: then they've put the fence there. And then is it

1517
01:28:37,015 --> 01:28:40,295
Speaker 2: sort of like battered on a slope up to your land.

1518
01:28:41,455 --> 01:28:45,255
Speaker 14: Yes, it's a very makeshift. It looks very makeshift. I've

1519
01:28:45,295 --> 01:28:50,055
Speaker 14: got they've put nails through the fence that hasn't attached

1520
01:28:50,055 --> 01:28:54,655
Speaker 14: to anything, so I've got exposed nails on my side.

1521
01:28:55,735 --> 01:28:56,495
Speaker 5: It's ye.

1522
01:28:57,135 --> 01:29:00,855
Speaker 2: No, Unfortunately, I'm getting a picture which I've seen before,

1523
01:29:00,855 --> 01:29:05,215
Speaker 2: which isn't pretty right, and it looks, you know, we

1524
01:29:05,255 --> 01:29:08,135
Speaker 2: could describe it as slightly cheeky that in the event.

1525
01:29:08,215 --> 01:29:10,815
Speaker 2: So what they've done is they've excavated down for their

1526
01:29:10,855 --> 01:29:13,815
Speaker 2: benefit and then they've put a boundary fence in and

1527
01:29:13,895 --> 01:29:17,215
Speaker 2: rather than doing a retaining wall, because they've done the excavation, right,

1528
01:29:17,255 --> 01:29:21,095
Speaker 2: it's their responsibility to retain the boundary. They haven't retained

1529
01:29:21,095 --> 01:29:24,055
Speaker 2: the boundary. They've just sliced a bit of your land off,

1530
01:29:24,295 --> 01:29:26,335
Speaker 2: created a bit of a batter or a slope which

1531
01:29:26,375 --> 01:29:30,575
Speaker 2: is potentially unstable, and then they're not worrying because that's

1532
01:29:30,695 --> 01:29:32,695
Speaker 2: way cheaper for them. Right, They've just taken a bite

1533
01:29:32,735 --> 01:29:34,815
Speaker 2: out of your land. If that's the case, then I

1534
01:29:35,175 --> 01:29:38,095
Speaker 2: think it's a sort of legal letter around a cease

1535
01:29:38,135 --> 01:29:42,015
Speaker 2: and desist. There'll be chances are on the plan there'll

1536
01:29:42,055 --> 01:29:44,535
Speaker 2: be a cross section that actually shows what should happen

1537
01:29:44,535 --> 01:29:47,935
Speaker 2: at that boundary. You might find and you could get

1538
01:29:48,095 --> 01:29:51,615
Speaker 2: access to the plans that in fact, the you know,

1539
01:29:51,615 --> 01:29:54,255
Speaker 2: the condition of the building of the project was that

1540
01:29:54,295 --> 01:29:58,055
Speaker 2: they install a retaining wall, in which case they haven't

1541
01:29:58,055 --> 01:30:00,375
Speaker 2: done that. They've just simply chopped out a chunk of

1542
01:30:00,455 --> 01:30:02,375
Speaker 2: your land. So I think.

1543
01:30:02,815 --> 01:30:06,255
Speaker 14: Retaining wall, it's just it's just not against my sextion.

1544
01:30:06,495 --> 01:30:07,975
Speaker 14: It's just not flash against my section.

1545
01:30:08,095 --> 01:30:12,455
Speaker 2: So okay, So they haven't backfilled your side of it.

1546
01:30:12,535 --> 01:30:17,455
Speaker 2: Is that the issue? Oh okay? Right? In that case,

1547
01:30:17,495 --> 01:30:20,975
Speaker 2: I think again it's the response. They're the ones who

1548
01:30:20,975 --> 01:30:23,975
Speaker 2: have made the change to benefit them, right that I

1549
01:30:24,015 --> 01:30:27,175
Speaker 2: think they have an obligation to reinstate your property. So

1550
01:30:27,295 --> 01:30:29,895
Speaker 2: if you had a level lawn there and you don't now,

1551
01:30:30,255 --> 01:30:32,415
Speaker 2: and there is a retaining wall there, and hopefully the

1552
01:30:32,455 --> 01:30:37,255
Speaker 2: retaining wall is sufficient to hold the land level. Then

1553
01:30:37,415 --> 01:30:40,775
Speaker 2: it's up to them to come back to install some

1554
01:30:40,855 --> 01:30:43,775
Speaker 2: drainage material and fill it with top soil so that

1555
01:30:43,855 --> 01:30:48,215
Speaker 2: you get what you had before. That's your right, so

1556
01:30:48,255 --> 01:30:51,495
Speaker 2: you can just enforce that I want.

1557
01:30:51,335 --> 01:30:55,335
Speaker 14: What I had, So does that need to Can I

1558
01:30:55,375 --> 01:30:58,335
Speaker 14: get that done before they actually construct it, before they

1559
01:30:58,335 --> 01:31:02,935
Speaker 14: actually put start putting their houses us or do I

1560
01:31:03,015 --> 01:31:03,615
Speaker 14: just have to wait?

1561
01:31:03,815 --> 01:31:03,855
Speaker 12: No?

1562
01:31:04,215 --> 01:31:06,175
Speaker 2: I think you should do it now. And again, you know,

1563
01:31:07,335 --> 01:31:10,775
Speaker 2: a logical developer or logical builder would go put the

1564
01:31:10,775 --> 01:31:13,215
Speaker 2: retaining wall in, and then I can track down with

1565
01:31:13,255 --> 01:31:15,415
Speaker 2: a digger and do the backfill before I put the

1566
01:31:15,415 --> 01:31:17,975
Speaker 2: fence in. Because now in order to get the fill there,

1567
01:31:18,295 --> 01:31:20,175
Speaker 2: there are ei they're going to have to take sections

1568
01:31:20,175 --> 01:31:21,655
Speaker 2: of the fence out, or they're going to have to

1569
01:31:21,695 --> 01:31:23,655
Speaker 2: lift it over, or they're going to have to ask

1570
01:31:23,695 --> 01:31:26,455
Speaker 2: your permission to run wheelbarrows and that sort of thing

1571
01:31:26,535 --> 01:31:29,095
Speaker 2: down and fill that in. But you should end up

1572
01:31:29,135 --> 01:31:31,135
Speaker 2: with a level lawn. If you had a level lawn

1573
01:31:31,215 --> 01:31:34,535
Speaker 2: before and they've made some changes, it's on them to

1574
01:31:34,615 --> 01:31:36,535
Speaker 2: reinstate your side of the section.

1575
01:31:37,615 --> 01:31:39,455
Speaker 14: Fantastic, Thank you for for your help.

1576
01:31:39,495 --> 01:31:43,695
Speaker 2: Good luck with that, all right, take care, okay, thank

1577
01:31:43,735 --> 01:31:46,215
Speaker 2: you all the best. Change And look, this is going

1578
01:31:46,295 --> 01:31:49,775
Speaker 2: to be one of those things that you know, as

1579
01:31:49,855 --> 01:31:54,215
Speaker 2: intensification comes to main centers. This is the sort of

1580
01:31:55,255 --> 01:31:58,775
Speaker 2: situation that's going to occur. And I mean what Jane's

1581
01:31:58,735 --> 01:32:01,175
Speaker 2: saying is a classic example of all of the discussion

1582
01:32:01,175 --> 01:32:04,255
Speaker 2: about intensification. There might have been one house on that site,

1583
01:32:04,535 --> 01:32:07,775
Speaker 2: Now there's going to be seven town on your boundary.

1584
01:32:09,815 --> 01:32:14,535
Speaker 2: It's interesting. I've sort of discussions you have during the

1585
01:32:14,535 --> 01:32:16,975
Speaker 2: course of the week. So obviously for Auckland there's a

1586
01:32:17,095 --> 01:32:20,935
Speaker 2: new plan change, there's new zoning regulations that are being proposed,

1587
01:32:21,735 --> 01:32:24,695
Speaker 2: and I emphasize the word proposed, but what it's done

1588
01:32:24,775 --> 01:32:28,575
Speaker 2: for people who might be impacted by that is kind

1589
01:32:28,575 --> 01:32:32,895
Speaker 2: of just flattened demand. So I was looking at a

1590
01:32:32,895 --> 01:32:36,095
Speaker 2: property for someone and it happened to be right on,

1591
01:32:36,255 --> 01:32:40,215
Speaker 2: like literally on the boundary between what would be housing

1592
01:32:40,375 --> 01:32:44,735
Speaker 2: urban and housing suburban, with the possibility that there would

1593
01:32:44,775 --> 01:32:47,935
Speaker 2: be some you know, the neighbor's property. They could bowl

1594
01:32:47,975 --> 01:32:51,175
Speaker 2: the house. And actually, even in driving into work today,

1595
01:32:51,295 --> 01:32:55,215
Speaker 2: a house that i'd seen being prepped for demolition was removed.

1596
01:32:55,255 --> 01:32:57,375
Speaker 2: It was gone, and undoubtedly that's going to be a

1597
01:32:57,415 --> 01:32:59,495
Speaker 2: series of townhouses. And it's kind of that sort of

1598
01:32:59,495 --> 01:33:04,375
Speaker 2: thing just flattens the demand because the uncertainty. Interesting to

1599
01:33:04,415 --> 01:33:08,895
Speaker 2: see though. The developers seem to be back cautiously, but

1600
01:33:08,975 --> 01:33:11,455
Speaker 2: their back so all of that activity, that that sort

1601
01:33:11,495 --> 01:33:16,095
Speaker 2: of infell intensification type stuff came to a screaming halt

1602
01:33:16,735 --> 01:33:19,295
Speaker 2: when house prices fell off a cliff. But it looks

1603
01:33:19,335 --> 01:33:21,975
Speaker 2: like they're back. I have to say those but I've

1604
01:33:21,975 --> 01:33:24,175
Speaker 2: seen two houses just in the last couple of weeks,

1605
01:33:25,455 --> 01:33:29,535
Speaker 2: you know, bungalows, nineteen forties, nineteen fifties, bungalows and that

1606
01:33:29,575 --> 01:33:34,255
Speaker 2: sort of thing. No attempt to recycle any material or

1607
01:33:34,295 --> 01:33:37,695
Speaker 2: anything like that. They just developers come in and they

1608
01:33:37,775 --> 01:33:40,495
Speaker 2: just plant a twelve ton digger there and they just

1609
01:33:40,535 --> 01:33:41,855
Speaker 2: crush it, put it all in the back of a

1610
01:33:41,895 --> 01:33:45,135
Speaker 2: truck and truck it away. And given that, you know,

1611
01:33:45,495 --> 01:33:49,215
Speaker 2: a vast amount of that material could be recycled, even

1612
01:33:49,215 --> 01:33:51,775
Speaker 2: if it's you know, I'm not talking about saving every

1613
01:33:51,815 --> 01:33:55,015
Speaker 2: precious piece of Mattie, every weatherboard, every floorboard, and all

1614
01:33:55,055 --> 01:33:58,415
Speaker 2: the rest of it. That's that's difficult to do, and

1615
01:33:58,455 --> 01:34:01,255
Speaker 2: it's unproductive, and it's costly, and I understand that it

1616
01:34:01,295 --> 01:34:05,415
Speaker 2: doesn't fit in terms of the development costs, but simply

1617
01:34:05,495 --> 01:34:08,295
Speaker 2: crushing houses and taking them to landfill I think is

1618
01:34:09,055 --> 01:34:12,815
Speaker 2: enormously wasteful when that could be separated out and at

1619
01:34:12,895 --> 01:34:16,695
Speaker 2: least sent for recycling. I reckon they should start imposing

1620
01:34:16,735 --> 01:34:19,575
Speaker 2: bigger fees on developers that don't bother trying to do

1621
01:34:19,695 --> 01:34:22,495
Speaker 2: anything with the properties that they're about to redevelop in

1622
01:34:22,615 --> 01:34:25,055
Speaker 2: terms of removing the old houses. Right, we're going to

1623
01:34:25,095 --> 01:34:27,175
Speaker 2: take short break. That's my ranta. We've got. Actually, i'll

1624
01:34:27,175 --> 01:34:31,055
Speaker 2: tell you what Recycling Week is coming up in October,

1625
01:34:31,095 --> 01:34:33,935
Speaker 2: which is not too far away, with a real focus

1626
01:34:33,975 --> 01:34:37,295
Speaker 2: on construction and demolition waste. I'm looking forward to having

1627
01:34:37,335 --> 01:34:39,895
Speaker 2: a couple of interviews with experts on this field. The

1628
01:34:39,935 --> 01:34:43,255
Speaker 2: reason why we're so concerned about it is that up

1629
01:34:43,295 --> 01:34:45,895
Speaker 2: to sixty percent of the volume of material that goes

1630
01:34:45,935 --> 01:34:51,215
Speaker 2: to landfill comes from construction and demolition. We are an

1631
01:34:51,255 --> 01:34:57,295
Speaker 2: appallingly wasteful industry in general, and I just think that

1632
01:34:57,375 --> 01:35:00,495
Speaker 2: we can't carry on like that. It's eighteen minutes after eight.

1633
01:35:01,095 --> 01:35:03,455
Speaker 1: Doing of the house storting the guard and last, Pete,

1634
01:35:03,535 --> 01:35:06,175
Speaker 1: for a hand the resident builder with Peter.

1635
01:35:06,015 --> 01:35:12,415
Speaker 2: Wilf your news talks. Someone stakes through and went, hey, look,

1636
01:35:12,415 --> 01:35:14,575
Speaker 2: give the builders a chance to finish the fence. Man.

1637
01:35:14,775 --> 01:35:17,255
Speaker 2: They said they still had the boxing in place. In

1638
01:35:17,415 --> 01:35:23,535
Speaker 2: actually finishing the fence means doing the back film. You

1639
01:35:23,575 --> 01:35:25,895
Speaker 2: don't want to hang around. That should have been done

1640
01:35:26,215 --> 01:35:28,895
Speaker 2: when the fence and the retaining wall was built. In

1641
01:35:28,935 --> 01:35:32,375
Speaker 2: my humble opinion, Tom, good morning, Good.

1642
01:35:32,175 --> 01:35:36,135
Speaker 10: Mind, Pete. I've got a question. It's an old age

1643
01:35:36,135 --> 01:35:39,655
Speaker 10: one from who but me and the house. But I've

1644
01:35:39,695 --> 01:35:42,935
Speaker 10: got some the phone's work and the writers, as the

1645
01:35:42,935 --> 01:35:50,055
Speaker 10: speaker goes funny at the time, I've got some. Well,

1646
01:35:50,415 --> 01:35:53,335
Speaker 10: it's a bloody leak. Sorry, I've got some lik into

1647
01:35:53,415 --> 01:35:57,655
Speaker 10: some roofing. Yes, I'm going to replace the roofing soon.

1648
01:35:58,095 --> 01:36:01,495
Speaker 10: But close to it is timber when you put if

1649
01:36:01,535 --> 01:36:05,135
Speaker 10: you spray silicon on that, that right, too, wondered.

1650
01:36:05,855 --> 01:36:09,375
Speaker 2: I tell you what there is us timber will dry?

1651
01:36:09,575 --> 01:36:10,735
Speaker 10: Wrong, I got it wrong.

1652
01:36:12,095 --> 01:36:15,255
Speaker 2: I'm with you. So there's been a leak. The timber's wet.

1653
01:36:15,895 --> 01:36:18,695
Speaker 2: If you sort out the leak, will the timber dry? Yes,

1654
01:36:18,815 --> 01:36:22,935
Speaker 2: most likely it will dry, and most houses, particularly older houses,

1655
01:36:23,135 --> 01:36:26,295
Speaker 2: there's lots of airflow floating around. It will dry out.

1656
01:36:26,615 --> 01:36:28,975
Speaker 2: It needs to be wet for a long long time

1657
01:36:29,615 --> 01:36:32,215
Speaker 2: for rot to get in there. And if you're thinking

1658
01:36:32,255 --> 01:36:38,215
Speaker 2: about silicon and you're talking about spray, then we're there

1659
01:36:38,255 --> 01:36:40,575
Speaker 2: is actually and look, I've used it, right, So all

1660
01:36:40,575 --> 01:36:42,695
Speaker 2: I'm saying is I used it, And to be fair,

1661
01:36:43,055 --> 01:36:45,175
Speaker 2: I was a little bit skeptical about whether or not

1662
01:36:45,175 --> 01:36:46,895
Speaker 2: it would work. And it did work. And there's a

1663
01:36:46,895 --> 01:36:50,255
Speaker 2: product called ados Leak stop right, and it's like an

1664
01:36:50,295 --> 01:36:53,615
Speaker 2: aerosol and it sprays out a silicon and I don't

1665
01:36:53,615 --> 01:36:57,295
Speaker 2: know why, but after like twenty odd years, suddenly I

1666
01:36:57,335 --> 01:37:03,175
Speaker 2: had this leak in the basically internal gutter at my place. Right,

1667
01:37:03,255 --> 01:37:05,175
Speaker 2: So it's not an internal gutter like that bah bah

1668
01:37:05,175 --> 01:37:08,335
Speaker 2: bah anyway, big long flowing, two long pieces, good overlap

1669
01:37:08,455 --> 01:37:11,895
Speaker 2: silicon seal. Been fine for twenty years. Out of the blue,

1670
01:37:12,375 --> 01:37:14,495
Speaker 2: there's a drip in the hallway, right, And it wasn't me.

1671
01:37:14,655 --> 01:37:17,615
Speaker 2: It was a drip from the roof. And I got

1672
01:37:17,655 --> 01:37:21,415
Speaker 2: this ados No leak stuff went up there, shook up

1673
01:37:21,455 --> 01:37:24,975
Speaker 2: the can, sprayed it over the joint. Never a problem again.

1674
01:37:25,815 --> 01:37:29,815
Speaker 2: So if you can identify the leak and you know

1675
01:37:29,855 --> 01:37:31,535
Speaker 2: you know you're going to replace the roof and all

1676
01:37:31,535 --> 01:37:34,495
Speaker 2: the rest of it. Then that stuff, well, all I

1677
01:37:34,495 --> 01:37:36,975
Speaker 2: can say is it worked for me, and I still,

1678
01:37:37,015 --> 01:37:39,415
Speaker 2: for the life of meat, I can't figure out why

1679
01:37:39,495 --> 01:37:42,735
Speaker 2: that thing just suddenly started leaking. So be careful up

1680
01:37:42,735 --> 01:37:44,655
Speaker 2: on the roof, though, Tom, or maybe get some young

1681
01:37:44,655 --> 01:37:47,935
Speaker 2: fella to jump up there and do that for you.

1682
01:37:48,135 --> 01:37:51,255
Speaker 2: But thank you very much for that. Eight twenty four

1683
01:37:51,295 --> 01:37:53,615
Speaker 2: here at news Talk said, be a couple of quick texts.

1684
01:37:53,615 --> 01:38:00,695
Speaker 2: Actually retaining wall posts potentially are the fence. Yeah, I mean, look,

1685
01:38:00,895 --> 01:38:02,415
Speaker 2: if it's going to be a retaining wall, and if

1686
01:38:02,415 --> 01:38:05,255
Speaker 2: it's about sort of seven or eight hundred high, you'd

1687
01:38:05,375 --> 01:38:07,695
Speaker 2: like to think that they're not just going to use

1688
01:38:07,775 --> 01:38:11,975
Speaker 2: fence posts for the retaining because you can pretty much

1689
01:38:12,015 --> 01:38:14,375
Speaker 2: guarantee that that's not going to work. A couple of

1690
01:38:14,415 --> 01:38:17,855
Speaker 2: people have also text in about the fence and what's

1691
01:38:17,895 --> 01:38:21,815
Speaker 2: defined as we know the boundary and typically if you

1692
01:38:22,415 --> 01:38:25,815
Speaker 2: identify the boundary, and there shouldn't be any discussion about boundaries,

1693
01:38:25,895 --> 01:38:28,695
Speaker 2: right not in a modern sense. There's a marker. It'll

1694
01:38:28,735 --> 01:38:32,735
Speaker 2: be millimeter perfect, it'll be installed by a registered surveyor.

1695
01:38:33,055 --> 01:38:35,095
Speaker 2: You're not allowed to touch them. You're not allowed to

1696
01:38:35,215 --> 01:38:39,775
Speaker 2: move them, and so you draw a line between those two.

1697
01:38:39,935 --> 01:38:43,255
Speaker 2: You put a string line out that's your boundary and

1698
01:38:43,295 --> 01:38:46,655
Speaker 2: then typically if by agree, unless there's an agreement to

1699
01:38:46,735 --> 01:38:50,335
Speaker 2: locate it differently, the assumption is that the middle of

1700
01:38:50,375 --> 01:38:53,495
Speaker 2: the post is on the boundary line. So if it's

1701
01:38:53,535 --> 01:38:56,335
Speaker 2: one hundred bie hundred posts, both of you have got

1702
01:38:56,375 --> 01:39:00,015
Speaker 2: fifty millimeters of the post on your property. Someone has

1703
01:39:00,055 --> 01:39:03,855
Speaker 2: text through and said Often the developers might sort of say, hey, look,

1704
01:39:04,095 --> 01:39:06,615
Speaker 2: the middle of the post is actually mice. Middle of

1705
01:39:06,615 --> 01:39:08,575
Speaker 2: the boundary is my side, so all of the post

1706
01:39:08,695 --> 01:39:11,175
Speaker 2: goes on your side, so you look out for that

1707
01:39:12,255 --> 01:39:14,855
Speaker 2: as well. Give the builders a chance to finish. No,

1708
01:39:15,215 --> 01:39:20,295
Speaker 2: not really, I think they should have done it morning.

1709
01:39:20,655 --> 01:39:24,055
Speaker 2: We're a wasteful industry. However, it also costs fifty more

1710
01:39:24,175 --> 01:39:25,975
Speaker 2: sent more to build a house in New Zealand than

1711
01:39:26,055 --> 01:39:29,815
Speaker 2: ossie woke. Asm and recycling are good, but they'll just

1712
01:39:29,895 --> 01:39:35,575
Speaker 2: drive prices up even more. Labor's not cheap. It ain't

1713
01:39:35,615 --> 01:39:38,895
Speaker 2: wocism to want to make sure that we're not just

1714
01:39:39,295 --> 01:39:42,175
Speaker 2: throwing away stuff that we could use. And I'm not

1715
01:39:42,215 --> 01:39:46,175
Speaker 2: talking about you know, denailing every length of precious coldie

1716
01:39:46,175 --> 01:39:48,815
Speaker 2: and remou and Mattai from the floor and you know,

1717
01:39:48,895 --> 01:39:51,215
Speaker 2: wanting to repurpose it into coffee table. So I'm not

1718
01:39:51,255 --> 01:39:53,415
Speaker 2: talking about that. I'm just saying that if you look

1719
01:39:53,455 --> 01:39:55,215
Speaker 2: at the houses, the two that I've seen in the

1720
01:39:55,295 --> 01:39:57,735
Speaker 2: last two weeks, that they've simply rolled in with a

1721
01:39:57,815 --> 01:39:59,695
Speaker 2: digger and crushed it and put in the back of

1722
01:39:59,735 --> 01:40:01,855
Speaker 2: a truck and they're going to truck it off possibly

1723
01:40:01,935 --> 01:40:04,015
Speaker 2: a landfill or in some cases they truck it off

1724
01:40:04,055 --> 01:40:08,015
Speaker 2: and do a burn off. Right. That I think is

1725
01:40:08,655 --> 01:40:12,415
Speaker 2: not what we should be doing anymore. That you know,

1726
01:40:12,495 --> 01:40:15,095
Speaker 2: stripping out windows, pulling the roof off and then crushing

1727
01:40:15,175 --> 01:40:18,975
Speaker 2: the timber and sending that for recycling, as in going

1728
01:40:18,975 --> 01:40:22,815
Speaker 2: through a chipper and being turned into either fuel or

1729
01:40:22,855 --> 01:40:27,255
Speaker 2: turned into mulch or whatever. That's doable, right, And I

1730
01:40:27,295 --> 01:40:30,015
Speaker 2: think that it should be more expensive to tip if

1731
01:40:30,055 --> 01:40:33,455
Speaker 2: you're tipping with no regard to materials that could be

1732
01:40:33,615 --> 01:40:37,135
Speaker 2: used elsewhere. And in terms of building sites, you know,

1733
01:40:37,175 --> 01:40:40,055
Speaker 2: again just having a skip and throwing everything from the

1734
01:40:40,095 --> 01:40:44,535
Speaker 2: building site into the skip, I don't think acceptable anymore either.

1735
01:40:45,815 --> 01:40:49,815
Speaker 2: And yeah, labor is expensive, but that has a cost

1736
01:40:49,855 --> 01:40:53,575
Speaker 2: on all of us for your lack of desire or

1737
01:40:55,375 --> 01:40:58,535
Speaker 2: effort in terms of just doing some really simple things

1738
01:40:58,855 --> 01:41:01,215
Speaker 2: right at the beginning. So maybe you have timber in

1739
01:41:01,215 --> 01:41:04,095
Speaker 2: one space, you put your cardboard somewhere, you separate out

1740
01:41:04,095 --> 01:41:07,375
Speaker 2: your plastic and that sort of thing. Just simple things

1741
01:41:07,415 --> 01:41:11,695
Speaker 2: like that make a massive difference. And I've done it,

1742
01:41:11,735 --> 01:41:14,015
Speaker 2: and so I can prove that it works. Righty Oh,

1743
01:41:14,015 --> 01:41:15,855
Speaker 2: we're going to take short break. We're going to talk

1744
01:41:15,975 --> 01:41:19,775
Speaker 2: all things gardening. Rid Kline passed along straight after the break.

1745
01:41:19,815 --> 01:41:20,895
Speaker 2: It is eight twenty eight.

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01:41:21,455 --> 01:41:24,335
Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing the fence, or wondering

1747
01:41:24,415 --> 01:41:26,495
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter

1748
01:41:26,575 --> 01:41:30,855
Speaker 1: wolf Camp a call on eighty The Resident Builder on

1749
01:41:30,935 --> 01:41:36,495
Speaker 1: Newstalks EDB. For more from The Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp,

1750
01:41:36,615 --> 01:41:39,775
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1751
01:41:40,095 --> 01:41:42,175
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